SGC VS. Atlantis

[DaveSG-3]

what facility is more secure and and take on an assult from space better

[Pharaoh Atem]

right now neither Atlantis shield isn't at full power and the SGC could be destroyed just by collapsing the mountain above it sealing everyone in it and rendering it useless

[FallenAngelII]

The SGC is nothing. All they have to do is shoot at Cheyenne Mountain from space. Let's say an Ori ship fires at Cheyenne Mountain. You don't think a beam that can pierce shields and go straight through Hataks, made out of Nahquadah, a metal stronger than anything we have, could pierce a silly mountain and a few layers of Earth metals?

Collapse the mountain, then fire again. SGC-kebabs.

[jaffa_shol'va]

My vote is the SGC they have the big space gun.
The SGC is under NORAD one of the strongest bunkers around plus its pretty hard to destroy a mountain

but against the ori nothing is safe

edit: spelling

[FallenAngelII]

My vote is the SGC they have the big space gun.
The SGC is under NORAD one of the strongest bunkers around plus its pretty hard to destroy a mountain

but against the ori nothing is save

I don't remember the SGC installing a big space gun. Does Cheyenne Mountain have one? Besides, it doesn't matter. Ships have shields (hives are just sturdy and can intercept non-energy based weapons!).

It's hard to destroy a mountain? Sorry, but if puny earth missiles can destroy mountains, what do you Wraith energy weapons or Ori beams would do?

[jaffa_shol'va]

I don't remember the SGC installing a big space gun. Does Cheyenne Mountain have one?

the one in Antarctica

[B O Y S C O U T]

The one in Antarctica probably doesn't work.

[Pharaoh Atem]

it does there just spoilers season 10

don't have many drones left

[FallenAngelII]

And that has what to do with the SGC? We're talking about the SGC, not a weapon on the South Pole. I doubt we'd have the time to react in time by transporting the ZPM from Atlantis there, putting someone and then firing off the few drones that are left in it.

[WraithWarrior]

It depends on what we are defending against really plus the fact that the good guys never really lose on either show, yeah they get hurt and the odd few may die but we never really lose. If we were defending against the Ori, then we are doomed no matter where they hit, the Wraith we could deal with because we have ships too that have shields (as the Wraith ships are organic and have no shields) and the Goa'uld then it depends on who is attacking us, I mean we have been attacked by lots and still survived without the public knowing (yet again the good guys never lose), however if Anubis ever came back (which Im hoping he will) then he would prob be like the Ori (in terms of power, well nearly) as we have seen what he can do and especially if he was given the time

[DaveSG-3]

And that has what to do with the SGC? We're talking about the SGC, not a weapon on the South Pole. I doubt we'd have the time to react in time by transporting the ZPM from Atlantis there, putting someone and then firing off the few drones that are left in it.
remeber they are using mk2 naquida generators, and i rember wolsy telling weir that the mk2 naquida generators might work

[Metonic]

it does there just spoilers season 10

don't have many drones left
In Atlantis, They refilled the drones why not refil the antartic one... also they said it was depleted after lost city's use, and now they consider using it again.. i bleieve its been refilled..

The Atlantis Shield DOES get to 100%, it only needs one ZPM to power the Shield, but inorder to get all City Functions to work similutanoiusly(i cant spell lol) they need the 3....

Atlantis.. has the better defense because of the shield and cloak.. if they could get both at sametime they'd be set.. however, as seen the Wraith can drain the shields energy by using those weaposn they have... The SGC is deep within a mountian, chance of them finding it is low, chance of them destroying the mountain is high.. but.. its so deep that I believe theres enough ventilation tunnels, the first few floors of the complex maybe destroyed but old 28 would be fine... But... I'm sure that Orii beam cannon could destroy it..

[WraithWarrior]

In Atlantis, They refilled the drones why not refil the antartic one... also they said it was depleted after lost city's use, and now they consider using it again.. i bleieve its been refilled..

Atlantis.. has the better defense because of the shield and cloak.. if they could get both at sametime they'd be set.. however, as seen the Wraith can drain the shields energy by using those weaposn they have... The SGC is deep within a mountian, chance of them finding it is low, chance of them destroying the mountain is high.. but.. its so deep that I believe theres enough ventilation tunnels, the first few floors of the complex maybe destroyed but old 28 would be fine... But... I'm sure that Orii beam cannon could destroy it..

The Ori could just destroy the whole planet, I dont think they'd be too bothered about finding a mountain. If we were fighting back at them, they would just get annoyed and wipe us all out

As for the drones, we cant just refill our stock of them because Atlantis had a hard enough time to find and refill the ones they have. The rest, what was left, were kept at the pther tower to protect them from the Wraith. Plus, it was stated in S10 that our drones were very few, we aint got many

[Metonic]

in season 8 they kept saying they depleted the drones and the ZPM... now they have drones? The refilled from the tower, the Tower had more than enough to protect them from the wraith, although i thought their ZPM was close depleted.. so why waste tons of drones... which Mckay said and they showd tons of drones...

[Wraith_Hunter]

what facility is more secure and and take on an assult from space better

Whichever one has the shield, armoury full of drones, cloak & a crap load of Jumpers.


right now neither Atlantis shield isn't at full power and the SGC could be destroyed just by collapsing the mountain above it sealing everyone in it and rendering it useless

Why is it now, they have an almost full ZPM. That's all it takes to run the shield & basic systems. 3 are only needed to make it fly etc. So they have more than enough to make it run fully.

[Gate Geek]

I would have to say Atlantis. Atlantis has shown that with adequate power, it can withstand prolonged seige conditions. It's a matter of how long the people inside can hold out.
A mountain. While a bit harder to bring down, with the right weaponry, it can be easily accomplished. I don't think SGC even being so far underground will be protected. I would think the hollow space (hallways, access shafts etc) between L28 and the mountain above would do little to slow those falling rocks.

[WraithWarrior]

in season 8 they kept saying they depleted the drones and the ZPM... now they have drones? The refilled from the tower, the Tower had more than enough to protect them from the wraith, although i thought their ZPM was close depleted.. so why waste tons of drones... which Mckay said and they showd tons of drones...

The drones were depleated nearly completely on the Antarctic outpost, I dont think they ever said how many they had left, all we know is that we have enough to defend Earth against the first attack from the Wraith

The Atlantis team found the drones in the Tower and took what they need with just enough for the people of that planet to defend themselves (cant quite remember about the ZPM, Ill have to watch it again some time) so Atlantis has got enough to protect themselves as well

In ep1 of S3, they also used hundreds of drones with Orion when they were firing at the hive

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[DaveSG-3]

I would have to say Atlantis. Atlantis has shown that with adequate power, it can withstand prolonged seige conditions. It's a matter of how long the people inside can hold out.
A mountain. While a bit harder to bring down, with the right weaponry, it can be easily accomplished. I don't think SGC even being so far underground will be protected. I would think the hollow space (hallways, access shafts etc) between L28 and the mountain above would do little to slow those falling rocks.
i dought that ori beams will wipe out 2 miles under ground facility

[WraithWarrior]

i dought that ori beams will wipe out 2 miles under ground facility

I dont boubt that, have you seen the Ori weapons, they went through ships without any problems and still carried on going

[areghnatha]

Atlantis.
Even if they do not have any energy left to raise shilds or fire drones, the city itself must be constructed very stabile, because you can move the city to another planet. And of course the Ancients built this city beeing aware of the fast, that the Wraith probably would not stop firing, when the shilds go down.
A mountain is built by nature during many billions of years. It depends on the rock formation, how stabile it is. Nature is uncalculable.
Therefore I do not think that a mountain will be as save as Atlantis, a city built by engineers (technican) who know much about statics.

[sarc]

Back in Season 1's There But For The Grace Of God we witnessed Jaffa (in a parallel Universe) infiltrating the SGC relatively easily. That was 10 years ago, and with Goa'uld technology. If something like that is possible, how then can we still have doubts as to whether the SGC would stand-up to an assault from space by the Ori?

The other question, regarding which facility is stronger between SGC and Atlantis; the only advantage that Atlantis has over the SGC is its technology (shields, cloak etc.). Without these the city is almost as fragile as any Earth-city (think New York).

Before I forget:


Naquadah, a metal stronger than anything we have

Naquadah is NOT a metal, rather a Mineral which is a composite of several elements. The strongest metal we do have is Trinium.

[DaveSG-3]

Back in Season 1's There But For The Grace Of God we witnessed Jaffa (in a parallel Universe) infiltrating the SGC relatively easily. That was 10 years ago, and with Goa'uld technology. If something like that is possible, how then can we still have doubts as to whether the SGC would stand-up to an assault from space by the Ori?

The other question, regarding which facility is stronger between SGC and Atlantis; the only advantage that Atlantis has over the SGC is its technology (shields, cloak etc.). Without these the city is almost as fragile as any Earth-city (think New York).

Before I forget:



Naquadah is NOT a metal, rather a Mineral which is a composite of several elements. The strongest metal we do have is Trinium.u raise good points

[Bragi]

Well, they've had foothold situations at both. . . so I say they're only as safe as the decisions their staff's make.

[WraithWarrior]

The other question, regarding which facility is stronger between SGC and Atlantis; the only advantage that Atlantis has over the SGC is its technology (shields, cloak etc.). Without these the city is almost as fragile as any Earth-city (think New York).

True, I was thinkin more of Manhattan myself though :P


Well, they've had foothold situations at both. . . so I say they're only as safe as the decisions their staff's make.

:indeed: And also whether the staff are under the influence of aliens or something like taht, but yes its mostly on the part of how the leaders and staff react to different situations :D

[Ltcolshepjumper]

Atlantis. First, the SGC is just a couple of layers( this isn't including NORAD, right?) atlantis is a city with far more drones, a ZPM, a better iris, and a shield which can become a cloak. Atlantis wins. :sheppard:

[WraithWarrior]

Atlantis. First, the SGC is just a couple of layers( this isn't including NORAD, right?) atlantis is a city with far more drones, a ZPM, a better iris, and a shield which can become a cloak. Atlantis wins. :sheppard:

Actually the SGC is under 28 layers, level 28

And as for the Atlantis cloak and shield in Siege Part 3, it was stated that because they only had 1 ZPM it was a matter of either the cloak or the shield, the shield was up when the nuke exploded and then they got rid of the shield and put the cloack on so teh Wraith thought Atlantis was no more :D

[hutchi4]

I'd say Atlantis is better;)

[DaveSG-3]

I'd say Atlantis is better;)
the sheild wont be there forever