Do you like the character of John Sheppard

[Skydiver]

By request a poll thread.

The general rules, discuss the CHARACTER all you want, leave the ACTOR out of it. Be aware that others may post opinions contrary to your own. Please respect them.

[sueKay]

Yes I do :)

I didn't like the 'kirking' in season two, but despite the Kirking, Sheppard is a character I continue to enjoy, and I think the character has an added depth to him. He's more than just the team leader, he's a fully realized person, and that's why I'm drawn to him.

[Reefgirl]

I'll start the ball rolling with a big fat NO. (1) The character is so wooden that he leaves splinters in his wake (2) Enough with the sh@g the babe of the week stuff (3) I thought my only my daughter used that 'Kicked Puppy' look to get what she wanted (4) I know it's a TV show and Sheppard is a character in said show but if he were a real military officer he'd be in prison by now (5) Save the show and promote Lorne, Please. That's all I can come up with for now but I'm sure I can think of something else

[HelenT]

John is the main reason for tuning in for me. I love the complexities of the character that Joe manages to convey perfectly underneath the glossy exterior. To be honest when I first began watching I didn't expect to become so enamoured of the character because I dismissed him as eyecandy. Whoo boy! Was I wrong.

[Nolamom]

He's somewhat flawed, but likeable. Got boyish charm in spades and steps up to the leadership plate as needed.

[astronomicalchick]

Whee! A poll! I'm sure the "No"s are going to get trashed royally but WTH!

[Elinor]

I think he's a fab character! Very complex and mysterious with a dry sense of humour.

Love him to bits!

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[AGateFan]

Yes I do :)

I didn't like the 'kirking' in season two, but despite the Kirking, Sheppard is a character I continue to enjoy, and I think the character has an added depth to him. He's more than just the team leader, he's a fully realized person, and that's why I'm drawn to him.

I concur.
Sheppard good.
Writing of captain James T Sheppard bad.

Note I didn’t think the scene in NML was bad. Little subtle stuff is fine. It’s even fine if you have an ep every once in a great while where he kirks and another character on the show makes a crack about him being a Kirk. But when the writers keep going back to the well, not realizing its dry and they are just pulling out mud, then it makes me unhappy. Especially when they seem to resist the much cooler aspects of Sheppard and dont really give us any background on him.

[Shep Code]

I love the many layers to John Sheppard, from the wisecracking flyboy to the darker solider underneath. He's been one of the main reasons I fell in love with SGA in the first place. I love that he has his flaws just as much as the next guy, and I'm looking forward to seeing his character progress even more this next season. :sheppard:

[ReganX]

Sheppard isn't my favourite Atlantis character, but I like him.

[SGAFan]

I love the many layers to John Sheppard, from the wisecracking flyboy to the darker solider underneath. He's been one of the main reasons I fell in love with SGA in the first place. I love that he has his flaws just as much as the next guy, and I'm looking forward to seeing his character progress even more this next season. :sheppard:


*Completely and totally agrees* 100% :sheppard:

[andi_b]

I still say I like Sheppard. He's entertaining and totally hot. I do have my issues with him though, and I'd beg on my knees for some backstory or character development. But it's still a yes.

[SGAFan]

I still say I like Sheppard. He's entertaining and totally hot. I do have my issues with him though, and I'd beg on my knees for some backstory or character development. But it's still a yes.

Oh agreed! I really want more backstory on him. :)

[caty]

Yay, my poll has been opened. Fast, too! Thanks Skydiver!

Firstly, my reasons for this poll request was the never ending discussion about the character of John Sheppard, especially after the last episode ('Misbegotten')
I was just curious to find out what people generally think about John Sheppard..

I voted a big, fat 'YES'! The guy is funny, caring, nice, brave etc. He is a good leader and cares more about others than himself. He hasn't had an easy life and he has his flaws... Absolutely LOVE his philosophy of 'we leave nobody behind' and how he acts on it, no matter what the cost...

[caty]

Whee! A poll! I'm sure the "No"s are going to get trashed royally but WTH!

Why would they be? We don't like "thrashing" anybody, do we guys?

[starfox]

Sheppard is by no means my favorite character, but I still like him. He still has a lot of potential, and in the scenes where he's actually out there kicking a** and taking names, he rocks. My only problem with him is that sometimes he comes off as immature and short-sighted. I want to see Sheppard as a thirty-something military officer, not as someone with the impulsiveness of a teenager. But I have hopes for him.

[astronomicalchick]

Why would they be? We don't like "thrashing" anybody, do we guys?

I meant in terms of numbers sweetie, not actually being bashed or nothing. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

I meant the "Yes" would vastly outnumber the "No" and what did it matter? Even I wouldn't be as stupid to think that the Yes vote wouldn't "win"

[Pharaoh Atem]

i like him he just needs to get more serious

[andi_b]

I agree, that too. Not by much, but I do need to be able to take him a bit more seriously. Let's hope with this "darker" season we are going to get that.


i like him he just needs to get more serious

[Southern Red]

Sheppard has always been and will always be my favorite character. I have taken exception at times to the way he is written, but overall there is much to admire about him. The Kirk routine of S2 just had me flailing around and saying all kinds of nasty things about what a bad idea it was to write a 40ish USAF Lt. Col like he was a horny teenager. That alone caused a lot of people to dislike him. It was unnecessary and demeaning to an otherwise great character.

He is well written when he shows how much he cares about people, not only those he is assigned to protect, but everyone he meets. He is always willing to sacrifice himself to save others and does what he has to do to carry out his mission. He's not perfect, and every choice hasn't been a good one, but who wants a cardboard cutout for a hero? He thinks quickly under pressure, showing both intelligence and an aptitude for problem solving.

On a lighter side, his humor sometimes defuses a tense situation, and who doesn't love the John and Rodney show? All of the above, of course, wouldn't work without the outstanding acting abilities of Joe Flanigan. Just think what he could do with better material?

And please, by all that's holy, can we have some background?

[Linzi]

Why would they be? We don't like "thrashing" anybody, do we guys?
I'm ashamed of you Caty! Of course we want to thrash Sheppard. Or is it flog him? ;)
Of course I like him. He's my favourite character, closely followed by McKay. For me those two are the best by a LONG way. Nobody else comes ANYWHERE near for me. Lorne? Er, recurring, bland, but nice guy. Leader of the military? Think I'd fall asleep, as much as I like him as Major recurring.
I do like Sheppard very much. He hasn't had the character development or storylines he deserves, but I still think he shines. He's not wooden, IMO, or 2 dimensional in any way. Joe FLanigan does a great job with the little he's been given at times, and I really admire his enthusiasm for his character and show. I hope he gets the backstory and writing he's earned for his character in season 3.

[astronomicalchick]

I'm ashamed of you Caty! Of course we want to thrash Sheppard. Or is it flog him? ;)
Of course I like him. He's my favourite character, closely followed by McKay. For me those two are the best by a LONG way. Nobody else comes ANYWHERE near for me. Lorne? Er, recurring, bland, but nice guy. Leader of the military? Think I'd fall asleep, as much as I like him as Major recurring.
I do like Sheppard very much. He hasn't had the character development or storylines he deserves, but I still think he shines. He's not wooden, IMO, or 2 dimensional in any way. Joe FLanigan does a great job with the little he's been given at times, and I really admire his enthusiasm for his character and show. I hope he gets the backstory and writing he's earned for his character in season 3.

Hmmm... I don't remember the question of Lorne being suggested as military leader of Atlantis coming up in the thread... :p

I do agree, that all the characters in Atlantis are underdeveloped in various ways and if Sheppard continues to be the lead I'd think that his character should be developed pretty pronto eh?

And why do you want to thrash him when you love him so dearly? ;)

[jonasgurl1]

Sheppard, to me, is the greatest character on Atlantis. Heck on the whole show! I'm glad that the powers that be decided to put a 'O'Neill' type character on the show, seeing as that was the thing that most viewers liked the most on SG1. It's also a plus that he is so pretty and easy to look at:P:D:D

[caty]

I meant in terms of numbers sweetie, not actually being bashed or nothing. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

I meant the "Yes" would vastly outnumber the "No" and what did it matter? Even I wouldn't be as stupid to think that the Yes vote wouldn't "win"

Sorry, I guess that was some language misunderstanding on my part ;)

[anaM]

I also voted a good round yes, because i find him the most interesting character in SGA, not perfect, not always well written, but never two dimentional, never shallow.
I guess some background might be good to have, but for me it is not really necessary, i like sheppard being enigmatic. But I do care for more character development, he has many layers as a personality that have to be revealed.

[astronomicalchick]

Sorry, I guess that was some language misunderstanding on my part ;)

No need to apologise!

[gambit]

Sheppard's great. Of course I wish we knew more about him, but at the same time there is something interesting about the mysteriousness of him. I like how little things are revealed through some of his actions, like in Storm/Eye for example, you think "whoa...there really is something more to his millitary background than just being a pilot."
There is a darkness about him that I hope is explored more, other than Ronan he is the darkest, maybe as dark, who knows. Maybe that's why Ronan seems to respect him and follow orders. I believe a while ago when the show started one of the producers compared O'Neil to Superman and Sheppard to Batman, because of the personalities.

[caty]

Sheppard's great. Of course I wish we knew more about him, but at the same time there is something interesting about the mysteriousness of him. I like how little things are revealed through some of his actions, like in Storm/Eye for example, you think "whoa...there really is something more to his millitary backgroung than just being a pilot."
There is a darkness about him that I hope is explored more, other than Ronan he is the darkest, maybe as dark, who knows. Maybe that's why Ronan seems to respect him and follow orders. I believe a while ago when the show started one of the producers compared O'Neil to Superman and Sheppard to Batman, because of the personalities.

Yeah, and remember the 'abandonment issues' in 'Epiphany'? Although it was a huge dissappointment in terms of promised background story, we did get some inkling that something must have happened at some point and time in his past. The look in his eyes when he said 'Where have you been?' It spoke volumes! That's also what I love about him. His eyes can tell whole stories and he doesn't even need to say one word...

[Sheppard's Delight]

A big yes!

He is the reason that I watch the show. I love the character to bits!

[Alipeeps]

Yup I like Sheppard. I could certainly stand to see some more character development for him, particularly about his background etc - and I also wouldn't mind a bit more whumping! What? Surely not, I hear you cry! :D

He is a likeable, charming, entertaining character with some very interesting aspects to his character - and intruiging hints of a darker side that we have really only touched upon now and then. I like his sense of humour and his strong moral code - "leave no man behind" etc - and his absolute dedication to do whatever it takes to protect his people.. right up to laying his life on the line to save theirs.

Plus - ya gotta admit the guy's hawt! *grin*

[SGAFan]

:lol: Oh yes he is!

But he's also a good character (and has the potential to get so much better, IMHO) The fact that he's easy on the eye just makes it better. :D

[Linzi]

Hmmm... I don't remember the question of Lorne being suggested as military leader of Atlantis coming up in the thread... :p


I suggest you go back and read post number 2 here then.....:sheppard:

[caty]

i like him he just needs to get more serious

I thought he was pretty serious in 'Misbegotten'... There were hardly any funny lines to lighten up the mood and to be honest, I missed them already!
I agree that Shep should show his dark side much more often, but IMO the guy is just so funny :D

[astronomicalchick]

I suggest you go back and read post number 2 here then.....:sheppard:

Hmm, that'll teach me for skimming. :teyla:

[sueKay]

about the Kirking...I think there's a glimmer of hopeSheppard didn't like that he was unable to take action in No Man's Land because he'd been to busy flirting and not listening to Rodney and Radek...maybe this was symbolic of things to come, and that he might stop his schoolboy shenanigans...

I sure hope so!

[Reefgirl]

I take it I'm the only one who's brave enough to come out and say she didn't like Sheppard at all then, and I was the one who said "Save the show and Promote Lorne" back in post 3

[ShadowMaat]

I think it's fairly obvious that the vast, teeming majority of fandom loves Sheppard to death (and back again). There has never been any question in my mind that Sheppard is the Golden Boy, the Hero, the Ultimate Awesomeness of Atlantis. He's the lead character so of COURSE he's going to be (almost) universally adored by all who see him. But it's that teeny tiny "almost" that keeps things interesting.

Misbegotten tipped the scale on my growing dislike of the character. As far as I'm concerned, he's an unredeemable jerk and I want no part of him. Most of fandom disagrees rather violently with my assessment and that's fine- everyone's entitled to have an opinion, whether you (generally speaking) agree with it or not.

I don't need to be told about all the wonderful things he's done or all the funny things he's said, or how many times he's saved the day and how thankful I should be for his presence, blah blah blah. That's an interpretation. Likewise, I'm sure most of you don't need to hear about how shallow he is, how many times he's endangered those around him, the atrocities he's commited or how much better the show would be without him. That's also an interpretation. Both views are equally valid and there are hundreds of shades in between those extremes which are just as "right" as anything else. It's all in the eye of the beholder- I simply don't like what I see. ;) I'm happy for those who do enjoy the character and maybe a bit envious since liking Shep makes the show as a whole easier to watch. As long as the writers keep writing Shep the way they have, however, I won't be able to change my opinion on the subject. I don't like him. It's that simple. *shrug*

[GateLadyM]

Sheppard isn't my favorite character and I would find Caldwell a much better candidate to lead the military in Atlantis. Sheppard just hasn't shown me that he is leadership material, not like Caldwell, or especially O'Neill on SG1.

[Linzi]

Hmm, that'll teach me for skimming. :teyla:
Nah, I do the same all the time too! :)

[Linzi]

I take it I'm the only one who's brave enough to come out and say she didn't like Sheppard at all then, and I was the one who said "Save the show and Promote Lorne" back in post 3
You don't need to be brave to do that, it's your opinion and you should be free to express that! I just can't see Lorne as military commander. He doesn't have enough charisma for me.

[sueKay]

Am I the only one brave to say that I hate Lorne :D

[caty]

You don't need to be brave to do that, it's your opinion and you should be free to express that! I just can't see Lorne as military commander. He doesn't have enough charisma for me.

I agree! I love Lorne, but he does seem a little boring. He shows hints of sarcasm, but IMO they're just reflections of Sheppard's. These two together are great, but I don't think Lorne'd work in charge.
Besides, does anyone here really think the banter between Mckay and Sheppard isn't hilarious?

[Linzi]

I think it's fairly obvious that the vast, teeming majority of fandom loves Sheppard to death (and back again). There has never been any question in my mind that Sheppard is the Golden Boy, the Hero, the Ultimate Awesomeness of Atlantis. He's the lead character so of COURSE he's going to be (almost) universally adored by all who see him. But it's that teeny tiny "almost" that keeps things interesting.

Misbegotten tipped the scale on my growing dislike of the character. As far as I'm concerned, he's an unredeemable jerk and I want no part of him. Most of fandom disagrees rather violently with my assessment and that's fine- everyone's entitled to have an opinion, whether you (generally speaking) agree with it or not.

I don't need to be told about all the wonderful things he's done or all the funny things he's said, or how many times he's saved the day and how thankful I should be for his presence, blah blah blah. That's an interpretation. Likewise, I'm sure most of you don't need to hear about how shallow he is, how many times he's endangered those around him, the atrocities he's commited or how much better the show would be without him. That's also an interpretation. Both views are equally valid and there are hundreds of shades in between those extremes which are just as "right" as anything else. It's all in the eye of the beholder- I simply don't like what I see. ;) I'm happy for those whodo enjoy the character and maybe a bit envious since liking Shep makes the show as a whole easier to watch. As long as the writers keep writing Shep the way they have, however, I won't be able to change my opinion on the subject. I don't like him. It's that simple. *shrug*
And why should you like him if he's not your cup or tea? We're all different, and if we were all the same, the world would be a pretty boring place. I personally only object to inflammatory, impolite posts and derogatory posts about JF, and yes, in the past there have been plenty of those here in this forum.

[Linzi]

I agree! I love Lorne, but he does seem a little boring. He shows hints of sarcasm, but IMO they're just reflections of Sheppard's. These two together are great, but I don't think Lorne'd work in charge.
Besides, does anyone here really think the banter between Mckay and Sheppard isn't hilarious?
Sheppard and McKay banter is the best part of the show for me.

[Alipeeps]

Am I the only one brave to say that I hate Lorne :D

Personally I don't hate any character. Life's too short. Oh, except maybe Kavanaugh - but that's okay cos we're supposed to hate him! :lol:

I like Lorne well enough and I think he does a very good job in the role he is in - but I can't quite see him as military commander. And Caldwell in charge? Jeez, I think the scientists would rebel and form a separatist commune (and I'm not alone in this cos I'm pretty sure I've plagiarised that idea from the Reliquary novel! :lol:)

I like Sheppard in charge and I like all the other characters pretty much as they are too. Half the fun of the show - and which I'm looking forward to in S3 with the promised character development - is learning more about these characters and who they are and what makes them tick. My own personal opinion, I'd rather spend my time thinking about and discussing who they are and why they are the way they are than complaining that they are not who and how I think they should be.

[ShadowMaat]

Besides, does anyone here really think the banter between Mckay and Sheppard isn't hilarious?
It wears thin after a while. It starts to sound tired and false.

Lorne is my favorite character on the show, but I don't want him as military commander. If it had to be ANYONE other than Sheppard, I'd pick Caldwell. The severe, no-nonsense attitude would make for a nice change from the rule that all premiere team leaders must be snarky. :P

[Reefgirl]

I think it's fairly obvious that the vast, teeming majority of fandom loves Sheppard to death (and back again). There has never been any question in my mind that Sheppard is the Golden Boy, the Hero, the Ultimate Awesomeness of Atlantis. He's the lead character so of COURSE he's going to be (almost) universally adored by all who see him. But it's that teeny tiny "almost" that keeps things interesting.

Misbegotten tipped the scale on my growing dislike of the character. As far as I'm concerned, he's an unredeemable jerk and I want no part of him. Most of fandom disagrees rather violently with my assessment and that's fine- everyone's entitled to have an opinion, whether you (generally speaking) agree with it or not.

I don't need to be told about all the wonderful things he's done or all the funny things he's said, or how many times he's saved the day and how thankful I should be for his presence, blah blah blah. That's an interpretation. Likewise, I'm sure most of you don't need to hear about how shallow he is, how many times he's endangered those around him, the atrocities he's commited or how much better the show would be without him. That's also an interpretation. Both views are equally valid and there are hundreds of shades in between those extremes which are just as "right" as anything else. It's all in the eye of the beholder- I simply don't like what I see. ;) I'm happy for those whodo enjoy the character and maybe a bit envious since liking Shep makes the show as a whole easier to watch. As long as the writers keep writing Shep the way they have, however, I won't be able to change my opinion on the subject. I don't like him. It's that simple. *shrug*
Hear hear, well said

[Alipeeps]

Sheppard and McKay banter is the best part of the show for me.

Absolutely. I love that so much. Two such very different personalities and yet they have this odd, bickering friendship and I love the snark. I like snark. It's one of the reasons I also like the show House. :D

[astronomicalchick]

Am I the only one brave to say that I hate Lorne :D

*sporks you*:)

[Linzi]

Absolutely. I love that so much. Two such very different personalities and yet they have this odd, bickering friendship and I love the snark. I like snark. It's one of the reasons I also like the show House. :D
Yep, me too!

[caty]

Absolutely. I love that so much. Two such very different personalities and yet they have this odd, bickering friendship and I love the snark. I like snark. It's one of the reasons I also like the show House. :D

I think I'm actually gonna have to start watching that show...

Honestly, McKay-Sheppard banter could never get old or boring to me! McKay is just too irritable and Shep knows too well how to push his buttons :D

[Elinor]

I I'd rather spend my time thinking about and discussing who they are and why they are the way they are than complaining that they are not who and how I think they should be.

....now my brain had to really think about that! Hee!

Well said Ali...they are what they are...why?...that's what would be fun to explore!

I don't hate Lorne...I like him as a secondary character....I don't fancy seeing him in charge though...I loves my complicated Shep!

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[AGateFan]

Am I the only one brave to say that I hate Lorne :D
That is brave ;)

EDIT: But truthfully he was a punk to Daniel back on SG-1 so my first impressions of him were not favorable either. He has grown some since then though IMHO.

[Rosehawk]

I like Sheppard's character. In fact I like all the characters on STA.

Sheppard has a great sense of humor and the playful bantering that his does with the other characters. It so much reminds me of when I use to work engineers and the way they would go at it with each other. Use to make me laugh - humor in stressful times works for me.

I just hope that he and all the characters get more character development in season 3.

[sueKay]

put the spork away Astro :P :)

[astronomicalchick]

put the spork away Astro :P :)

Oh allright. Since it's you...

*sulks*

[astronomicalchick]

I'd rather spend my time thinking about and discussing who they are and why they are the way they are than complaining that they are not who and how I think they should be.

Most of the time I'd agree, but I do think there should be space for out and out grumbles. :)

What strikes me about this thread and others I've read, is both those who don't like Sheppard and those who do mostly agree that he needs more character development. Perhaps I'm stating the obvious here, but I always like to look for commonalities between opposing views. Perhaps the only difference is how much we think he needs developing ranging from tweaking to out and out removal:p. (That last bit was definitely tongue in cheek sorry!)

[sueKay]

lol

it's okay...

He is WAY under-developed...even the dark horse of Jack O'Neill has more backstory than him!

(and astro...remember I was the one that gave you that 'Rising' video in the first place :P (so you can blame me for everything you hate! lol))

*hugs*

[Elinor]

Perhaps the only difference is how much we think he needs developing ranging from tweaking to out and out removal:p. (That last bit was definitely tongue in cheek sorry!)

Tweaking....definition = To pinch, pluck, or twist sharply!

I wanna be 'firsty' in line for the tweaking....can we choose which body part? If so, I'd like to choose the elf ears!!

Yum!!

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[Alipeeps]

Most of the time I'd agree, but I do think there should be space for out and out grumbles. :)

What strikes me about this thread and others I've read, is both those who don't like Sheppard and those who do mostly agree that he needs more character development. Perhaps I'm stating the obvious here, but I always like to look for commonalities between opposing views. Perhaps the only difference is how much we think he needs developing ranging from tweaking to out and out removal:p. (That last bit was definitely tongue in cheek sorry!)

Oh I'm all for objective discussion and critique and I agree with you that I think everyone would like more character development for Sheppard. Not that I don't find it intruiging that he is such an enigma but yes, I'd love to find out more about him. I think it's ace that you look for commonality between opposing views - that's how it should be and that's where we get ace, interesting, deep discussions from! Those I love. It's the out and out slamming of the character that I find off-putting cos you can't have a meaningful, objective discussion based on that.

Plus I guess I just like to be positive - glass half full kinda gal and all that. :D So on that note I am finger and toes crossed for a S3 full of delightful Sheppy character development.... and stonking great loads of Sheppy whump! :D :D

[Alipeeps]

Tweaking....definition = To pinch, pluck, or twist sharply!

I wanna be 'firsty' in line for the tweaking....can we choose which body part? If so, I'd like to choose the elf ears!!

Yum!!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/love/142.gif

Hmmm. I know where I'd start and it ain't the ears! :lol: :lol:

[astronomicalchick]

Tweaking....definition = To pinch, pluck, or twist sharply!

I wanna be 'firsty' in line for the tweaking....can we choose which body part? If so, I'd like to choose the elf ears!!

Yum!!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/love/142.gif

You thunkers! You never miss a twea... er trick do you? :p

[Elinor]

Hmmm. I know where I'd start and it ain't the ears! :lol: :lol:

LOL!!

Well...yeah...I did think that...just wanted to start with the ears that's all!!

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[Linzi]

LOL!!

Well...yeah...I did think that...just wanted to start with the ears that's all!!

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Of course you did... where's the bearskin rug, Eli?

[astronomicalchick]

Oh I'm all for objective discussion and critique and I agree with you that I think everyone would like more character development for Sheppard. Not that I don't find it intruiging that he is such an enigma but yes, I'd love to find out more about him. I think it's ace that you look for commonality between opposing views - that's how it should be and that's where we get ace, interesting, deep discussions from! Those I love. It's the out and out slamming of the character that I find off-putting cos you can't have a meaningful, objective discussion based on that.

Plus I guess I just like to be positive - glass half full kinda gal and all that. :D So on that note I am finger and toes crossed for a S3 full of delightful Sheppy character development.... and stonking great loads of Sheppy whump! :D :D

I'm all for good discussion, but I do think it's good to have space to air grievances and space to squee unreservedly too. Then I find it's easier to have the discussions. But that's just me.

For those who are Shep minded I found this on my bookshelf today... er it's a bit big... but that's him isn't it?



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/astropoetrychick/shep-1.jpg

[Merlin7]

I love Sheppard. He's the reason I watch the show. The Lorne in charge thing? I like Lorne but from the moment he came on in RUNNER I went "SHEP LITE"

People tried to claim Shep was JACK LITE in the beginning, which he never was. But Lorne is totally SHEP LITE. That said, I enjoy their interaction, but Lorne could never be in charge.

I think there are better BY THE BOOK military types for the job. LIke Caldwell. But he doesn't think OUTSIDE THE BOX. Would Shep ever be in charge back on Earth? Even he didn't think he'd make it to Lt. Colonel. BUT, in the Pegasus Galaxy you need someone who thinks outside the box and on their feet. They keep coming up against things they can't even imagine. Sheppard has used his quick wits and his DIFFERENCES to save them all, time and again. He's somewhat of a loner yet a TEAM PLAYER. He's exactly what Atlantis needs.

Does he make mistakes? Sure. They all make BIG ONES. All of them. WEIR and BECKETT and RODNEY have done bigger or equal. And Weir is the most acountable.

Does Shep need more background story and deeper characterization? OH YEAH! I've said that since season one. I was so ready for it in EPIPHANY and I've hated the writers and TPTB since. And the shine of Atlantis wore off in a big way. Not just for not writing shep but for just dropping the ball on all the eps. And for their ridiculous statement that he can't be too dark, he must be the cheesy hero. It's all their frat boy fantasies put on screen and Joe being forced to play them out.

For season 3 I want the SHEP that Joe has envisioned and talks about with such wistfulness.

And I want BACKGROUND! NOW! ::stamps foot::

LOL
Bottom line. Yes, I like Shep. Bunches.

[Elinor]

You thunkers! You never miss a twea... er trick do you? :p

Hee! Try not to!! :)


Of course you did... where's the bearskin rug, Eli?

Yeah...I need to get one of those. Faux bear of course!!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/486.gif

[Alipeeps]

For those who are Shep minded I found this on my bookshelf today... er it's a bit big... but that's him isn't it?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/astropoetrychick/shep-1.jpg

Errrr, I don't think so actually...

[mckaychick]

I dont know about the rest of you but i do like sheppard.

[pisces27]

I am a Shep-a-holic...there is no cure.

[Sparrow]

I do like Sheppard a lot :o He is one, if not the main reason I watch Atlantis.

[astronomicalchick]

Errrr, I don't think so actually...

No? You don't think it looks like him? I mean look at the hair!

[Alipeeps]

No? You don't think it looks like him? I mean look at the hair!

Mmmm it looks a teeeny bit like him. but I'm pretty sure it's not him.

[astronomicalchick]

Mmmm it looks a teeeny bit like him. but I'm pretty sure it's not him.

Hmm I thought it looked a lot like him, however, I bow to your superior knowledge, no doubt you are more expert on The Sheppard than I am! ;)

[classygirl]

Shep rocks! :)

[IWantToBelieve]

Sheppard is what drew me to watch the show in the first place. Those silly 'get in the gate' commercials with Carter/Tapping showed me that maybe this guy was interesting to watch, because like someone else said, when I first read the character sheet I was really 'meh'. Sounded lame to me!

Then I *saw* him and got interested and, well, minutes into Rising I was hooked, completely.

Sheppard is an incredibly complex character and almost *all* of that is coming from Joe. The writers haven't given him hardly any bones at all which is frustrating but, what he does on the screen is magic to me. He makes everything work with his expressions.

He won't say what he's thinking but he'll show it in his eyes, his face, his posture.

I like that on one hand, he's got a very innocent air to him, vulnerable and open. He isn't cynical like O'Neill. I also like that we've seen him losing some of that openness as season 3 starts. The 'wear and tear' is beginning to show.

I see a character that's somewhat insecure, caring, friendly and wants to the right thing, but he'll do the wrong thing when he has to, but that doesn't mean he likes it or won't suffer inside from it.

For me, if Sheppard was gone, I don't know if I'd stick around. I love McKay after Sheppard, and the two together are gold for me. I'd have a hard time if McKay was gone, too. Then Carson, Weir, Teyla and Ronon. Lorne and Zelenka are on the same level for me. I like them as recurring secondary characters, they make the show richer for them.

I don't have any issues in regards to any of the characters. They are what they are, and I watch the show because of them. If I didn't like them, I wouldn't be watching the show.

But Sheppard...pure magic.

[Alipeeps]

I cant green you honey but WORD to everything you just said! :D :D

[Merlin7]

Sheppard is what drew me to watch the show in the first place. Those silly 'get in the gate' commercials with Carter/Tapping showed me that maybe this guy was interesting to watch, because like someone else said, when I first read the character sheet I was really 'meh'. Sounded lame to me!

Then I *saw* him and got interested and, well, minutes into Rising I was hooked, completely.

Sheppard is an incredibly complex character and almost *all* of that is coming from Joe. The writers haven't given him hardly any bones at all which is frustrating but, what he does on the screen is magic to me. He makes everything work with his expressions.

He won't say what he's thinking but he'll show it in his eyes, his face, his posture.

I like that on one hand, he's got a very innocent air to him, vulnerable and open. He isn't cynical like O'Neill. I also like that we've seen him losing some of that openness as season 3 starts. The 'wear and tear' is beginning to show.

I see a character that's somewhat insecure, caring, friendly and wants to the right thing, but he'll do the wrong thing when he has to, but that doesn't mean he likes it or won't suffer inside from it.

For me, if Sheppard was gone, I don't know if I'd stick around. I love McKay after Sheppard, and the two together are gold for me. I'd have a hard time if McKay was gone, too. Then Carson, Weir, Teyla and Ronon. Lorne and Zelenka are on the same level for me. I like them as recurring secondary characters, they make the show richer for them.

I don't have any issues in regards to any of the characters. They are what they are, and I watch the show because of them. If I didn't like them, I wouldn't be watching the show.

But Sheppard...pure magic.

Word to the nth power. What you said, that's how I feel about Shep and what i love about Joe and that he makes Shep magic with his magic/talent. Now imagine if the show actually wrote for Shep? WOAH!

Only dif..no Shep on Atlantis? Me be gone in a heartbeat. Sheppard IS Atlantis for me. Now if we can get back to the show being HIS POV again, I think this could be a banner season for SGA. Otherwise, guess I'll just watch for the Shep moments.

[Lorr]

I must add my voice to the Yea's. Sheppard is a complex character, and JF does incredibly well with the little he is given to go on, at least that we see in the final cut. I like the fact that he is intelligent, but is not threatened by more intelligent people. I like that he is not threatened by strong, smart women or by stronger, bigger men. How rare is that in life, much less on TV?

I like that he makes the hard decisions and takes responsibility for those decisions (ex. he didn't have to report he killed Sumner). I like that he is loyal and supports Weir, even to the point of risking his own career (ex. see his confrontation with Everett in the Siege). I like that he still has a sense of humor after all that he has seen and done.

Anyway, that's my humble opinion. I just wish we'd get some backstory!

[Willow'sCat]

Of course I do, but not mindlessly, I need more then the way he looks to make me vote yes *which I did by the way*;) I just think TPTB are messing him up, back and forth and I don't like it. That does not in any way mean I hate him or JF. Jeez JF has totally blown me away with his work in other shows *I am smitten with Julian in First Monday* why can't Sheppard wear a bowtie! :P

I think people take the anti-kirking line too far, although lately I have expressed a negative view on it I still think if handled better it works I just don't see it handled well on the show and I am all for a darker Sheppard as well, but again it needs to be handled better on the show IMHO.

I may post in the Anti-thread but then in there I have never said I hate him either, it is about blowing off steam at the lack or development or just plainly messing his character around, to me it is a better place to post those things then in the discussion thread.

[Pocus]

I love the character of John Sheppard. There is so much more to him than what meets the eye and by golly, that is mighty nice all on its own.

I love how he appears lazy and unenergetic, but at a moment's notice he is off and running to handle any problem that arises. His brain is always working, even when he looks like he is going to fall asleep in a meeting. He is completely aware of his surroundings most of the time. He is willing to give people a chance to prove themselves and encourages everyone to do their best. He goes out of his way to make people feel comfortable. He is willing to do anything in his power, and sometimes things not in his control, for people he cares about.

Does he have any flaws? Yup!!! But that is what makes him "real" to me. He likes a pretty face. He can be a little immature at times, especially when teasing Rodney. He is impulsive. At times he seems like he can be a touch too cocky.

I do not want my "heroes" to be perfect. I don't care about a caricature of a leader who does everything right all the time. I want to get to know a real character who makes mistakes and has some issues that get in the way at times. I want to feel disappointment in some of their choices and I want to get mad at them at times. It would be boring for me to know they are going to do everything right.

John Sheppard does not disappoint me!:cool:

[smushybird]

I love Sheppard and have from the first ep. He isn't the standard, conventional pretty boy hero type, thank goodness, and that's a big part of why I like him so much. He's flawed and interesting and would be even more interesting if the writers would flesh him out more and write him consistently (which I think they have failed to do in a few eps). I agree w/ those who think the kirking was overdone last season. I don't want him to become one-note or the seedy, predictable lech, so I hope the writers will steer away from the kirking this season and give us more of the fun boyish Sheppard sparring with Rodney and getting into trouble off-world. I miss that Sheppard.

[SlytherinGal]

YES!!!! How could I not!!!!! Sheppy is sexy and MINE!!! :P

[parisindy]

i love all the characters on atlantis.. and for me thats really saying something.
even though i like all the characters john sheppard by far is my favorite... i love that he's not perfect. It makes him more human and a more well rounded character. i think if he wasn't in it i would still watch the show but it would lose 99.9% of what makes Atlantis great.

[Domino_357]

I adore Sheppard!! I love his wry sense of humor, his ability to name things with style, and his overall cuteness!!

[Lauriel]

YES! I love Sheppard's character. I think he is such a complex character, which is why I can understand some of the anti-kirking views. I don't necessarily agree with them, but I see where it is coming from. What I can't understand is the view that he is a shallow or two dimensional character. He is far from it. The Sheppard character is such a multilayered, complex character! He is intelligent and passionate, and he would give his life to protect his friends and Atlantis. He can be dark, angry, ansty, broody, capable, dangerous and fiercely lethal when the situation calls for it. He can also be laid back, fun loving, caring and sympathetic when the situation calls for it. He is adaptive and conveys strong emotions without soap opera style dramatics. In fact, the way his emotions are intensely reigned in rather than openly exhibited adds more depth to the character.

JF is a pleasure to watch, not only because he is good looking, but because he brings so much to the Sheppard character. What is not written in is fulfilled by JF's abilities. His use of expression and body language to fill in the gaps left by the writers adds volumes to the intensity and complexity of the character, even when not the main focus of the camera. The more I watch, the more I have an overwhelming respect for his talent.

If Sheppard was removed from the show, it would definetely be huge step in the wrong direction. If he was removed from leadership, but not the show- well, now! I would be severely disappointed with TPTB but it would create some very interesting plot directions for the show to grow and for Shep's character to grow as well. O'Neill was still the leading character and had a lot of responsiblity, respect and command without being the CO in the beginning. This doesn't mean I'm promoting the idea! I'm just saying it wouldn't be the death knell for Sheppard's character. I am also trying to show that there are other avenues for the show regarding the leadership issue. If people don't like Sheppard in charge of the military contingent, that is fine and I respect that. But there are other options that would be equally as interesting as the current one without him being totally removed from the show.

I also love the Sheppard/McKay banter! It is amusing and it inclusive. It allows the viewer to feel included by sharing the joke. This in turn helps us to identify with the characters. It also allows the us to see some of the relationships between the characters, and I love that. I dislike shows where the characters are at odds with each other all the time. It's just too wearying to watch.

Finally, yes! I too crave background story on Shep! I yearn for it!! I am eagerly awaiting any little snippet the writers choose to throw our way. There is a difference between the complexity, intensity and current timeline development of the character and background story. Whilst it gives us more insight to the character, and satiates our curiosity, it is not essential to the character's development, nor to my enjoyment of the character or the show. In the previous two seasons, I feel I know alot about the character John Sheppard- we have 'lived' with him for two years! We can see what he does and how he reacts to current situations, and we can see the emotional effects of those decisions. We see the emotional attatchments he forms, and his passion for flying and his dedication to his job and his friends. (I could go on!) So lack of background story does NOT mean that the writers are not developing the character! And combined with JF's awesome abilities, there is so much there to love! I do see where some of the 'kirking' issues come from. It is not my ideal Sheppard either. But I do think you have to separate your expectations of what you want, from what is a part of the character. If you don't want Sheppard flirting, that's fine! But it obviously is in character, because it's canon. It's there! It's a part of the Sheppard character- just not a part you like. I like the character John Sheppard- flirty, angsty, dangerous, dorky, witty, intelligent, and mysterious. I have differing views from the writers at times, but since they've given me so much I love, I can agree to disagree.

Sorry for such a long post!

[Freyja]

I voted for YES! I simply love him! Great character and great looking - What do we need more? :D

[HelenT]

YES! I love Sheppard's character. I think he is such a complex character, which is why I can understand some of the anti-kirking views. I don't necessarily agree with them, but I see where it is coming from. What I can't understand is the view that he is a shallow or two dimensional character. He is far from it. The Sheppard character is such a multilayered, complex character! He is intelligent and passionate, and he would give his life to protect his friends and Atlantis. He can be dark, angry, ansty, broody, capable, dangerous and fiercely lethal when the situation calls for it. He can also be laid back, fun loving, caring and sympathetic when the situation calls for it. He is adaptive and conveys strong emotions without soap opera style dramatics. In fact, the way his emotions are intensely reigned in rather than openly exhibited adds more depth to the character.

JF is a pleasure to watch, not only because he is good looking, but because he brings so much to the Sheppard character. What is not written in is fulfilled by JF's abilities. His use of expression and body language to fill in the gaps left by the writers adds volumes to the intensity and complexity of the character, even when not the main focus of the camera. The more I watch, the more I have an overwhelming respect for his talent.

If Sheppard was removed from the show, it would definetely be huge step in the wrong direction. If he was removed from leadership, but not the show- well, now! I would be severely disappointed with TPTB but it would create some very interesting plot directions for the show to grow and for Shep's character to grow as well. O'Neill was still the leading character and had a lot of responsiblity, respect and command without being the CO in the beginning. This doesn't mean I'm promoting the idea! I'm just saying it wouldn't be the death knell for Sheppard's character. I am also trying to show that there are other avenues for the show regarding the leadership issue. If people don't like Sheppard in charge of the military contingent, that is fine and I respect that. But there are other options that would be equally as interesting as the current one without him being totally removed from the show.

I also love the Sheppard/McKay banter! It is amusing and it inclusive. It allows the viewer to feel included by sharing the joke. This in turn helps us to identify with the characters. It also allows the us to see some of the relationships between the characters, and I love that. I dislike shows where the characters are at odds with each other all the time. It's just too wearying to watch.

Finally, yes! I too crave background story on Shep! I yearn for it!! I am eagerly awaiting any little snippet the writers choose to throw our way. There is a difference between the complexity, intensity and current timeline development of the character and background story. Whilst it gives us more insight to the character, and satiates our curiosity, it is not essential to the character's development, nor to my enjoyment of the character or the show. In the previous two seasons, I feel I know alot about the character John Sheppard- we have 'lived' with him for two years! We can see what he does and how he reacts to current situations, and we can see the emotional effects of those decisions. We see the emotional attatchments he forms, and his passion for flying and his dedication to his job and his friends. (I could go on!) So lack of background story does NOT mean that the writers are not developing the character! And combined with JF's awesome abilities, there is so much there to love! I do see where some of the 'kirking' issues come from. It is not my ideal Sheppard either. But I do think you have to separate your expectations of what you want, from what is a part of the character. If you don't want Sheppard flirting, that's fine! But it obviously is in character, because it's canon. It's there! It's a part of the Sheppard character- just not a part you like. I like the character John Sheppard- flirty, angsty, dangerous, dorky, witty, intelligent, and mysterious. I have differing views from the writers at times, but since they've given me so much I love, I can agree to disagree.

Sorry for such a long post!

My post was short because I was in a rush, so I came back to add more, but damned if I have too :D

Wordy mcWord!

[ladysarah]

If there was an option of 'sometimes' I'd put that in.

Or 'sometimes, but not right now'.

So I can't really answer that one at this point.

[Lizlove]

He's ok I guess. But I liked him better in S1. I don't know why. I think his promotion gave him some over-confidence or something like that.
They just should give him background and make him more serious and mature on some occasions.
But I like his humour! Even if it's a lot like Jack sometimes.

[Tok'Ra Hostess]

I like Sheppard. He's serious enough when he has to be but he has the youthful perspectives/qualities/flaws of a man his age.

Sometimes the Kirking gets a little OTT, but I certainly don't mind that all the girls fall for him.... What's not to fall for? ;)

[PegasusPrincess]

I still say I like Sheppard. He's entertaining and totally hot. I do have my issues with him though, and I'd beg on my knees for some backstory or character development. But it's still a yes.


That's the whole thing - I think what's likeable about his character is that there is so much we don't know about him yet.....it leaves us with that sense of mystery and wanting to know more (& besides, he's georgeous!)

[FoolishPleasure]

That's the whole thing - I think what's likeable about his character is that there is so much we don't know about him yet.....it leaves us with that sense of mystery and wanting to know more (& besides, he's georgeous!)
That's what bothers me about Shep - its going on three years and we still know nothing about him. Sure, he may be the prettiest thing to admire, but I need character substance to keep me coming back, and I'm seeing too much indecision by the writers. One week he is goofy and flirty, the next he is cold and mean to the point of unlikable. I'm "on the fence" with him. He definitely isn't my favorite character anymore - but I haven't joined the Shep haters. . .yet.

We know gobs about Vala on SG1 and we've only seen her in a handful of episodes. What gives with the writers? I really think they have absolutely no idea what to do with Shep.

[caty]

That's what bothers me about Shep - its going on three years and we still know nothing about him. Sure, he may be the prettiest thing to admire, but I need character substance to keep me coming back, and I'm seeing too much indecision by the writers. One week he is goofy and flirty, the next he is cold and mean to the point of unlikable. I'm "on the fence" with him. He definitely isn't my favorite character anymore - but I haven't joined the Shep haters. . .yet.

We know gobs about Vala on SG1 and we've only seen her in a handful of episodes. What gives with the writers? I really think they have absolutely no idea what to do with Shep.

I kinda think they did it on purpose to keep us interested at first. They knew that we're dying to know what Shep is all about and maybe they thought that keeping us waiting and waiting and waiting would add to the enigma that is John Sheppard.
Now, they finally seem to understand that keeping that up for this long only added to our annoyance. So we'll learn something about him in Season 3.

BTW: I know it's a matter of opinion but I have NEVER seen him cold, mean or unlikeable in any way.

[Linzi]

I kinda think they did it on purpose to keep us interested at first. They knew that we're dying to know what Shep is all about and maybe they thought that keeping us waiting and waiting and waiting would add to the enigma that is John Sheppard.
Now, they finally seem to understand that keeping that up for this long only added to our annoyance. So we'll learn something about him in Season 3.

BTW: I know it's a matter of opinion but I have NEVER seen him cold, mean or unlikeable in any way.
I've never seen Sheppard as cold or unlikeable either, Caty. But each to his/her own. As to whether people hate Sheppard or not? Hmmmmn, 'kill Sheppard' doesn't sound like there's much love there to me...I think there is a small amount of hate out there for this character, how anyone can hate a fictional character is honestly beyond me, but mainly because he doesn't fit in to some people's agenda for the show.

[Rosehawk]

JF is a pleasure to watch, not only because he is good looking, but because he brings so much to the Sheppard character. What is not written in is fulfilled by JF's abilities. His use of expression and body language to fill in the gaps left by the writers adds volumes to the intensity and complexity of the character, even when not the main focus of the camera. The more I watch, the more I have an overwhelming respect for his talent.

This another reason why I like to watch Sheppard. He does do alot of nonverbal communications and I love his facial expressions, I actually connect more to his expressions and body language then I do to alot of what he has to say on the show.

The characters are all there to tell a story and it is an art form of which I think Sheppard/JF does his part very well.

[caty]

I've never seen Sheppard as cold or unlikeable either, Caty. But each to his/her own. As to whether people hate Sheppard or not? Hmmmmn, 'kill Sheppard' doesn't sound like there's much love there to me...I think there is a small amount of hate out there for this character, how anyone can hate a fictional character is honestly beyond me, but mainly because he doesn't fit in to some people's agenda for the show.

Yep, that's what I said in another thread. He is too good looking for a SciFi geek show :D

[caty]

Seems like the number holds at around 80% who really do like him...
Considering all the loud complaints about him these last weeks, I thought it would be less. Proves once again that the negative people can be the loudest :)

Go Shep!

[anulus]

I think there should have been a vote for "love him!" "adore him" and maybe some more superlatives.

With regard to the "kirking", put a gorgeous guy in the show and then dont give him any???????? Is that realistic? What about normal single guys? Dont they flirt on a regular basis?

I say good luck to him.

As for his background, we didnt get all of O'Neill's background at once. For example, we learned about his prison time in A Matter of Time.

[astronomicalchick]

I've never seen Sheppard as cold or unlikeable either, Caty. But each to his/her own. As to whether people hate Sheppard or not? Hmmmmn, 'kill Sheppard' doesn't sound like there's much love there to me...I think there is a small amount of hate out there for this character, how anyone can hate a fictional character is honestly beyond me, but mainly because he doesn't fit in to some people's agenda for the show.

I just kill him off for fun...

[astronomicalchick]

Seems like the number holds at around 80% who really do like him...
Considering all the loud complaints about him these last weeks, I thought it would be less. Proves once again that the negative people can be the loudest :)

Go Shep!

speak for yourself, but I'm amazed that there's that many "no"s

[Willow'sCat]

Seems like the number holds at around 80% who really do like him...
Considering all the loud complaints about him these last weeks, I thought it would be less. Proves once again that the negative people can be the loudest :)

Go Shep!For the last time people... you can have major problems with a character and still like them, there is nothing that makes that impossible. :S I voted yes but I still think he needs major work! Do I love him as a character NO, do I still have hope he can be better YES, I am giving him and my love of McKay/Sheppard slash a chance... It could still become McKay/Mitchell any day now. :cool:

[caty]

speak for yourself, but I'm amazed that there's that many "no"s

You speak for yourself, I think I speak for more than just me ;)

[Willow'sCat]

You speak for yourself, I think I speak for more than just me ;)I think they were, and no you don't get to speak for others.:cool:

[astronomicalchick]

For the last time people... you can have major problems with a character and still like them, there is nothing that makes that impossible. :S I voted yes but I still think he needs major work! Do I love him as a character NO, do I still have hope he can be better YES, I am giving him and my love of McKay/Sheppard slash a chance... It could still become McKay/Mitchell any day now. :cool:

It would have been better maybe for the poll to say:

I love Sheppard as he is
I love Sheppard if he were changed
I'll never love Sheppard
Who's Sheppard again?
Why are we bothering to have a poll on this? Remind me?

[Linzi]

It would have been better maybe for the poll to say:

I love Sheppard as he is
I love Sheppard if he were changed
I'll never love Sheppard
Who's Sheppard again?
Why are we bothering to have a poll on this? Remind me?

I disagree. The aim of the poll was to find out if posters like Sheppard or not, as he presently is. At least that's what I'm presuming Caty's intention was when she asked for this poll to be started. Caty?

[astronomicalchick]

I disagree. The aim of the poll was to find out if posters like Sheppard or not, as he presently is. At least that's what I'm presuming Caty's intention was when she asked for this poll to be started. Caty?

Well, that wasn't clearly explained then, since at least one poster has said she likes him but wishes he were changed, so perhaps we should re-run the poll with more clearly defined questions.

If there'd been a question that says "I like Sheppard but I'd like him to change" I'd have voted yes to that, as it was, I thought the question was "Do I like him now?" which would be a bit of a no then.

[Alipeeps]

Well, that wasn't clearly explained then, since at least one poster has said she likes him but wishes he were changed, so perhaps we should re-run the poll with more clearly defined questions.

If there'd been a question that says "I like Sheppard but I'd like him to change" I'd have voted yes to that, as it was, I thought the question was "Do I like him now?" which would be a bit of a no then.

I think the impetus for creating this poll was that there had been so much negativity of late with posts saying "Get rid of Sheppard", "Demote Sheppard", "Kill Sheppard", "Sheppard is crap" etc etc that Caty and others wanted genuinely to know do people out there actually like Sheppard.

Therefore, that was the question. "Do you like him?" Not "Would you change him?", not "Would you like him better if..?" Just - Do you like him? The debate over the specifics of how much you like him and why.. is left to these posts in the poll thread. :D

[caty]

For the last time people... you can have major problems with a character and still like them, there is nothing that makes that impossible. :S I voted yes but I still think he needs major work! Do I love him as a character NO, do I still have hope he can be better YES, I am giving him and my love of McKay/Sheppard slash a chance... It could still become McKay/Mitchell any day now. :cool:

I tried to post this earlier, but the board was down...

You kind of misunderstood my post as well as the whole idea of this poll... I was talking about the people that were screaming "Kill him off", "He's terrible" and "Demote him"... Nasty comments like that.. Since there was so much of that the last weeks, they made it sound like lots more people hate him and want him gone..

Heck, I'm the last person who thinks he doesn't need some major development and soon!

Now a lot of people have answered as I would have. The whole idea of creating this thread was if people generally like the character of John Sheppard. It wasn't "Do you think he's perfect" or "Do you think he should change?". And I picked the selections for a reason. Ali and Linzi were right. I just wanted to know whether he is really disliked by many people.
The question if he is badly written is not relevant as long as it doesn't make you hate him.

We could open 10 different threads with 10 different selections to choose from, but these are the ones I wanted. They've shown me what I want to know and they won't be changed...

[Willow'sCat]

I tried to post this earlier, but the board was down...

You kind of misunderstood my post as well as the whole idea of this poll... I was talking about the people that were screaming "Kill him off", "He's terrible" and "Demote him"... Nasty comments like that.. Since there was so much of that the last weeks, they made it sound like lots more people hate him and want him gone..Ok but I have been saying thoughs things but I still voted yes because there was not a lot of choice... I still have major problems with him as he is now, this poll and it's flawed results will not change that it won't do anything really.

Now a lot of people have answered as I would have. The whole idea of creating this thread was if people generally like the character of John Sheppard. It wasn't "Do you think he's perfect" or "Do you think he should change?". And I picked the selections for a reason. Ali and Linzi were right. I just wanted to know whether he is really disliked by many people.
The question if he is badly written is not relevant as long as it doesn't make you hate him.
So what you are saying is the point of this thread was to point to people like me who have said negative things about him and say "we" all like him so there! :S Was that the point, to put the Anti's in our place?

[Linzi]

Ok but I have been saying thoughs things but I still voted yes because there was not a lot of choice... I still have major problems with him as he is now, this poll and it's flawed results will not change that it won't do anything really.So what you are saying is the point of this thread was to point to people like me who have said negative things about him and say "we" all like him so there! :S Was that the point, to put the Anti's in our place?
No. The point was, I believe, that Caty wanted to see whether posters generally liked Sheppard or not, for her own interest. That's what polls are for. To show us how other people feel about the question posed.

[astronomicalchick]

Ok but I have been saying thoughs things but I still voted yes because there was not a lot of choice... I still have major problems with him as he is now, this poll and it's flawed results will not change that it won't do anything really.So what you are saying is the point of this thread was to point to people like me who have said negative things about him and say "we" all like him so there! :S Was that the point, to put the Anti's in our place?

Mebbe we should have another poll. Picking up from this one, we could then refine and develop the answers to reflect deeper into fandom's opinion of Sheppard.

I would be interested in that.

[Alipeeps]

Ok but I have been saying thoughs things but I still voted yes because there was not a lot of choice... I still have major problems with him as he is now, this poll and it's flawed results will not change that it won't do anything really.

So what you are saying is the point of this thread was to point to people like me who have said negative things about him and say "we" all like him so there! :S Was that the point, to put the Anti's in our place?

Wow. Chip on shoulder much? I think Caty has explained quite clearly that the poll was to answer a question about whether or not people like the character of John Sheppard - and not to get into various options of whether and how he should be changed. You vote in the poll and you discuss your reasoning behind your choice etc in the thread - as we have all been doing.

Saying the poll results are flawed because they don't give you the option to qualify your response? Well, a) that's the nature of polls and b) that's what posting in the thread is for. You can't complain that the results are flawed just because they don't say what you want them to say. If you want a more detailed analysis, why not post your own poll with more detailed options? This poll does exactly what is says on the tin - it asks whether you like Sheppard.

And at no point has anyone suggested that this poll/thread is intended to "put the Anti's in [their] place"! Yes, the poll was posted in response to the negativity about the character but the intention, as has been stated, was to find out if people - not just those who post in the anti or pro threads - in general like the character or not.

The poll is open to responses of any either preference and so is the discussion in this thread. If you choose to see that as being biased against those who are anti-Sheppard, then i guess that's your choice.

[astronomicalchick]

Wow. Chip on shoulder much? I think Caty has explained quite clearly that the poll was to answer a question about whether or not people like the character of John Sheppard - and not to get into various options of whether and how he should be changed. You vote in the poll and you discuss your reasoning behind your choice etc in the thread - as we have all been doing.

Saying the poll results are flawed because they don't give you the option to qualify your response? Well, a) that's the nature of polls and b) that's what posting in the thread is for. You can't complain that the results are flawed just because they don't say what you want them to say. If you want a more detailed analysis, why not post your own poll with more detailed options? This poll does exactly what is says on the tin - it asks whether you like Sheppard.

And at no point has anyone suggested that this poll/thread is intended to "put the Anti's in [their] place"! Yes, the poll was posted in response to the negativity about the character but the intention, as has been stated, was to find out if people - not just those who post in the anti or pro threads - in general like the character or not.

The poll is open to responses of any either preference and so is the discussion in this thread. If you choose to see that as being biased against those who are anti-Sheppard, then i guess that's your choice.


Hmm I like my chips thank you very much.

I do think another poll would be a good idea meself. I liked my earlier questions myself. I volunteer them for the next poll.

[Willow'sCat]

Wow. Chip on shoulder much? I think Caty has explained quite clearly that the poll was to answer a question about whether or not people like the character of John Sheppard - and not to get into various options of whether and how he should be changed. You vote in the poll and you discuss your reasoning behind your choice etc in the thread - as we have all been doing.Firstly I do not have a chip on my shoulder I have two ;) one on each to balance me out. Secondly saying things like this is a great way to end up reported as personal insults no matter how they are worded are not appreciated on GW. :cool:


Saying the poll results are flawed because they don't give you the option to qualify your response? Well, a) that's the nature of polls and b) that's what posting in the thread is for. You can't complain that the results are flawed just because they don't say what you want them to say.Did you read my posts in here? :S I have said on numerous occasions I voted YES, I am with you on the YES! The results as given are what I want to see! :cool: I just don't understand why it is so important to have a restrictive poll, what are you afraid of?

[Alipeeps]

Firstly I do not have a chip on my shoulder I have two ;) one on each to balance me out. Secondly saying things like this is a great way to end up reported as personal insults no matter how they are worded are not appreciated on GW. :cool:

Did you read my posts in here? :S I have said on numerous occasions I voted YES, I am with you on the YES! The results as given are what I want to see! :cool: I just don't understand why it is so important to have a restrictive poll, what are you afraid of?

Firstly, I don't see that expressing surprise over your comments and suggesting that they are biased can be construed as a personal insult - if you took it that way then I apologise. I ceratinly don't see that it's any more insulting than your suggestion that Caty started this poll as a way to attack the anti-Sheppard posters.

Secondly, yes I've read all your posts and I'm well aware that you voted yes. But you've also devoted a great deal of time to stating that you only voted yes because there was no option to make a more qualified response and have stated quite clearly that you voted yes with the addendum "if they change him." You also state that the poll results are flawed. That suggests to me that you are not happy with the results of the poll. If that is not the case then fair enough, but I don't think it's fair to attack Caty for posting the poll question that she wanted answered and to suggest that she did so purely out of spite against yourself or people who posted anti-Sheppard sentiments. To suggest that the poll is deliberately restrictive in order to prevent certain viewpoints from being adequately expressed is again indicative of a pretty large bias on your part. You obviously feel that the anti-Sheppard viewpoint is being attacked by this poll but I honestly fail to see how. There was no agenda to posting this poll, Caty simply wanted to garner an indication of general opinion.

If you want a more detailed poll to answer your question on e.g. what people like about Shep or how people think the character could be improved then please post it. I'm all for calm, reasoned discussion and I too would be interested to see the results.

[astronomicalchick]

Firstly, I don't see that expressing surprise over your comments and suggesting that they are biased can be construed as a personal insult - if you took it that way then I apologise. I ceratinly don't see that it's any more insulting than your suggestion that Caty started this poll as a way to attack the anti-Sheppard posters.

Secondly, yes I've read all your posts and I'm well aware that you voted yes. But you've also devoted a great deal of time to stating that you only voted yes because there was no option to make a more qualified response and have stated quite clearly that you voted yes with the addendum "if they change him." You also state that the poll results are flawed. That suggests to me that you are not happy with the results of the poll. If that is not the case then fair enough, but I don't think it's fair to attack Caty for posting the poll question that she wanted answered and to suggest that she did so purely out of spite against yourself or people who posted anti-Sheppard sentiments.

If you want a more detailed poll to answer your question on e.g. what people like about Shep or how people think the character could be improved then please post it. I'm all for calm, reasoned discussion and I too would be interested to see the results.

Ali being calm and reasoned myself, - you did say "...chip on your shoulder much?". That seemed to me to be slightly provocative. I did not read that as you just expressing surprise - I read that as demeaning Willow's views because she was unhappy with the poll result. You may not have meant it as such, but that's how I read it.

Anyway, I'm all for another poll.

[Alipeeps]

Ali being calm and reasoned myself, - you did say "...chip on your shoulder much?". That seemed to me to be slightly provocative. I did not read that as you just expressing surprise - I read that as demeaning Willow's views because she was unhappy with the poll result. You may not have meant it as such, but that's how I read it.

Anyway, I'm all for another poll.

Perhaps I could have worded that better but, honestly, I was just kinda stunned that someone could take this poll as being intended as a malicious attack on their viewpoint. Perhaps I would have been better to express that sentiment as "You appear to have a slight bias to your opinion on this matter." :D

I shall strive to moderate my abusive language in the future. :D

Seriously, no offense intended and I apologise if it was taken as such - I like to discuss issues on these forums, not argue about them. :D

[Willow'sCat]

Firstly, I don't see that expressing surprise over your comments and suggesting that they are biased can be construed as a personal insult - Sorry no IMHO you insulted me. :mckay: EDIT: I am over it now.


Secondly, yes I've read all your posts and I'm well aware that you voted yes. But you've also devoted a great deal of time to stating that you only voted yes because there was no optionYou are right ;) I did make reference to why I voted Yes and I did wish to clarify but that is my point, I am not as black and white on this as you seem to be, at least I cannot just vote Yes I like him all the time because I don't. :S It would give a false impression if I voted yes and then didn't leave a comment to explain why... I think it is only right to give your reasons to clarify why you voted that way or at least that is what I do in other Polls on GW.

Sorry if that was not what I was meant to do here I didn't read the fine print. [/sarcasm]

I'm all for another Poll as well, lets do it. ;)

[astronomicalchick]

Perhaps I could have worded that better but, honestly, I was just kinda stunned that someone could take this poll as being intended as a malicious attack on their viewpoint. Perhaps I would have been better to express that sentiment as "You appear to have a slight bias to your opinion on this matter." :D

I shall strive to moderate my abusive language in the future. :D

Seriously, no offense intended and I apologise if it was taken as such - I like to discuss issues on these forums, not argue about them. :D

No fair enough from my point of view at least. We all do it sometimes. At least I'm sure I've done it millions of times.

I think that Caty's statement further back about negativity making a lot of noise didn't help, I felt my nose was being rubbed in it and especially as I thought the vote would be an overwhelming yes in the first place it wasn't necessary.

I think I'd go back to an earlier post of mine, how both "yes" voters and "no" voters all yearned for more development of Sheppard's character. For me it's more gravitas and background. For others it'd be different.

[astronomicalchick]

Sorry no IMHO you insulted me. :mckay: EDIT: I am over it now.

You are right ;) I did make reference to why I voted Yes and I did wish to clarify but that is my point, I am not as black and white on this as you seem to be, at least I cannot just vote Yes I like him all the time because I don't. :S It would give a false impression if I voted yes and then didn't leave a comment to explain why... I think it is only right to give your reasons to clarify why you voted that way or at least that is what I do in other Polls on GW.

Sorry if that was not what I was meant to do here I didn't read the fine print. [/sarcasm]

I'm all for another Poll as well, lets do it. ;)

We could call it:

How should be Sheppard be developed?

- no he's perfect as he is down to his little elfy ears! (sorry I get frivolous on a constant basis)
- yes, he should have a lot of development
- yes, he just needs a bit of tweaking


Any other suggestions welcomed... but let's not have a "No Sheppard at all" option.

[Alipeeps]

Sorry no IMHO you insulted me. :mckay: EDIT: I am over it now.

You are right ;) I did make reference to why I voted Yes and I did wish to clarify but that is my point, I am not as black and white on this as you seem to be, at least I cannot just vote Yes I like him all the time because I don't. :S It would give a false impression if I voted yes and then didn't leave a comment to explain why... I think it is only right to give your reasons to clarify why you voted that way or at least that is what I do in other Polls on GW.

Sorry if that was not what I was meant to do here I didn't read the fine print. [/sarcasm]

I'm all for another Poll as well, lets do it. ;)

Well, all sarcasm aside, that's what I've been saying all along. That the idea of the poll is that you make your choice from the options and then you explain your reasoning by posting in the thread. I don't believe anyone has ever stated that you're not meant to do that here or not welcome to do that here.

What I objected to in your post was the assertion that the poll was a) flawed because it didn't offer options that suited your preferences and b) that the poll was in any way deliberately restrictive or malicious towards people who have posted anti-Sheppard comments.

You seem determined to see things that way and that's why I have suggested that your opinion seems a little biased. If I were Caty, I would be insulted that you would make such a suggestion about the motive in posting this poll.

How about we agree to drop the subject and get back to discussing the poll results rather than the intention behind the poll and you go ahead and post your more detailed poll and then we can discuss those results too.

[astronomicalchick]

Well, all sarcasm aside, that's what I've been saying all along. That the idea of the poll is that you make your choice from the options and then you explain your reasoning by posting in the thread. I don't believe anyone has ever stated that you're not meant to do that here or not welcome to do that here.

What I objected to in your post was the assertion that the poll was a) flawed because it didn't offer options that suited your preferences and b) that the poll was in any way deliberately restrictive or malicious towards people who have posted anti-Sheppard comments.

You seem determined to see things that way and that's why I have suggested that your opinion seems a little biased. If I were Caty, I would be insulted that you would make such a suggestion about the motive in posting this poll.

How about we agree to drop the subject and get back to discussing the poll results rather than the intention behind the poll and you go ahead and post your more detailed poll and then we can discuss those results too.

To be honest, it's all in the interpretation of the statistics isn't it? I think Willow is saying that not all the yes vote will be unqualified whereas in Caty's post about the results she was suggesting that the yes vote was unqualified. Suggesting being the word, because that's perhaps not how Caty meant it, she may have been expressing surprise that there was a good strong yes vote in the face of what she perceived lots of negative opinions (and I have to say that's very subjective because I think when you like a character a lot you can get sensitive to criticism and amplify the negativity but that's my opinion).

I think we should have another poll (I've said it for the 10th time now) but I would be interested in getting input for questions because I cannot possibly know the whole gamut of views about Le Shep.

[caty]

My intention by creating this poll was neither to attack any anti-Sheppards, nor to get into an argument on how the question should have been posted and what selections there should have been.

I JUST wanted to know whether Sheppard is generally disliked as much as it felt like to me.
If anybody was offended, because I said that the negative voices are the loudest, then I apologize - but it is true. It is always like that, naturally so, because you're just not as demanding and "loud" when you're happy with everything.
Doesn't change the fact that I simply wanted to know what I asked. Don't you think I was expecting that most people still like him? It still could have been possible that it was only 50% instead of 80 and that's exactly what I wanted to know! Nothing else! No hows, whys, because ofs or whats! Just 'do you' or 'do you not'...

Ali and Linzi. Thanks for your support, I really didn't think the way I decided to do this poll would arouse so much negativity... I feel kind of like "What did I do now?"

@ astronomicalchick and Willow's Cat: I suggest you post your own poll with your own questions and - again, no offence intended - leave my question be.

[caty]

To be honest, it's all in the interpretation of the statistics isn't it? I think Willow is saying that not all the yes vote will be unqualified whereas in Caty's post about the results she was suggesting that the yes vote was unqualified. Suggesting being the word, because that's perhaps not how Caty meant it, she may have been expressing surprise that there was a good strong yes vote in the face of what she perceived lots of negative opinions (and I have to say that's very subjective because I think when you like a character a lot you can get sensitive to criticism and amplify the negativity but that's my opinion).

I think we should have another poll (I've said it for the 10th time now) but I would be interested in getting input for questions because I cannot possibly know the whole gamut of views about Le Shep.

I suggested no such thing! There might be a language barrier here, so I'll ask first before I say something unsuitable... What exactly do you mean by saying that I was suggesting the yes vote was unqualified?

[Alipeeps]

I think we should have another poll (I've said it for the 10th time now) but I would be interested in getting input for questions because I cannot possibly know the whole gamut of views about Le Shep.

Okay then, possible options for the poll:

What do you think of Sheppard:
* Wonderful, perfect, can do no wrong
* Love the character, accept his flaws, don't really see any need to change him
* Love the character but would like to see some more character development
* Like the character but think he desperately needs character development
* Like the idea of the character but have some serious issues with his character which makes you start to dislike him
* Don't like the character as he is but think he could be good if developed better
* Don't like the character - think he needs serious improvement/changes
* Don't like the character and don't see how he could be improved
* Hate him and always will regardless of how they develop him

Does that about cover it?

[caty]

Okay then, possible options for the poll:

What do you think of Sheppard:
* Wonderful, perfect, can do no wrong
* Love the character, accept his flaws, don't really see any need to change him
* Love the character but would like to see some more character development
* Like the character but think he desperately needs character development
* Like the idea of the character but have some serious issues with his character which makes you start to dislike him
* Don't like the character as he is but think he could be good if developed better
* Don't like the character - think he needs serious improvement/changes
* Don't like the character and don't see how he could be improved
* Hate him and always will regardless of how they develop him

Does that about cover it?


If we're gonna do it that detailed, there's two options missing...
* Don't care about him at all
* Sheppard? Who is Sheppard?
(Although they're kind of the same)

[astronomicalchick]

Okay then, possible options for the poll:

What do you think of Sheppard:
* Wonderful, perfect, can do no wrong
* Love the character, accept his flaws, don't really see any need to change him
* Love the character but would like to see some more character development
* Like the character but think he desperately needs character development
* Like the idea of the character but have some serious issues with his character which makes you start to dislike him
* Don't like the character as he is but think he could be good if developed better
* Don't like the character - think he needs serious improvement/changes
* Don't like the character and don't see how he could be improved
* Hate him and always will regardless of how they develop him

Does that about cover it?

Good job! I'd take out the last one, since the last two seem to be the same and hate is a bit emotive.

[astronomicalchick]

If we're gonna do it that detailed, there's two options missing...
* Don't care about him at all
* Sheppard? Who is Sheppard?
(Although they're kind of the same)

*giggles* if anyone answered the last one I'd wonder if they even watched the show. Or if they were my mother.

[Alipeeps]

If we're gonna do it that detailed, there's two options missing...
* Don't care about him at all
* Sheppard? Who is Sheppard?
(Although they're kind of the same)

True enough! :D

So add on the bottom:
* Have no strong opinion on the matter
* Sheppard? Who? The one with the fluffy hair, you say?

:D :D

[caty]

True enough! :D

So add on the bottom:
* Have no strong opinion on the matter
* Sheppard? Who? The one with the fluffy hair, you say?

:D :D

* Sheppard? Who? Is that the one without the buzz cut? :D

[astronomicalchick]

I suggested no such thing! There might be a language barrier here, so I'll ask first before I say something unsuitable... What exactly do you mean by saying that I was suggesting the yes vote was unqualified?

Okay you said:

"Seems like the number holds at around 80% who really do like him..."

Which suggested to me (and perhaps Willow) that you were interpreting the results to mean that 80% of people who had voted, voted "yes" with no reservations.

I think I was (and perhaps Willow) was suggesting that the 80% might have included those who voted "yes" with reservations, i.e., they were voting "Yes but.. "

I didn't mean to offend, it was just I think we were coming at it from different viewpoints, and now having read your later post I think you were just expressing surprise at the figure and weren't attempting to suggest that the 80% were voting yes unreservedly.

I think we're in danger of snarling up the thread, so if you want to PM me to discuss it, if you want to?

[astronomicalchick]

True enough! :D

So add on the bottom:
* Have no strong opinion on the matter
* Sheppard? Who? The one with the fluffy hair, you say?

:D :D

I still think we should mention his ears. They're actually a bit l like.

[Alipeeps]

I still think we should mention his ears. They're actually a bit l like.

Okay so let's make the first option:

Wonderful, perfect, can do no wrong - love him from the points of his adorable elf-ears to the tips of his cute little toesy-woesies :D

:lol: :lol:

[caty]

Okay you said:

"Seems like the number holds at around 80% who really do like him..."

Which suggested to me (and perhaps Willow) that you were interpreting the results to mean that 80% of people who had voted, voted "yes" with no reservations.

I think I was (and perhaps Willow) was suggesting that the 80% might have included those who voted "yes" with reservations, i.e., they were voting "Yes but.. "

I didn't mean to offend, it was just I think we were coming at it from different viewpoints, and now having read your later post I think you were just expressing surprise at the figure and weren't attempting to suggest that the 80% were voting yes unreservedly.

I think we're in danger of snarling up the thread, so if you want to PM me to discuss it, if you want to?

No, I didn't mean with no reservations. As I was stating in my very first post, I mean generally speaking. When I say "really do like Sheppard", I mean that the people who voted 'yes' like Sheppard when it comes down to just that simple question of liking or not liking. Is it wrong to think when people put 'yes', they like him? Under what circumstances they do can be examined in the suggested poll.
"Really" in that context didn't mean "they adore him". It wasn't intended to be an adverb to 'like'. It was more along the lines that I was a little surprised that the number was that high :D

All misunderstandings eliminated`? :)

[caty]

Okay so let's make the first option:

Wonderful, perfect, can do no wrong - love him from the points of his adorable elf-ears to the tips of his cute little toesy-woesies :D

:lol: :lol:

Well, to do astronomicalchick justice, we should have a
* don't actually like him, but adore his little elf-ears to no end - option

[astronomicalchick]

No, I didn't mean with no reservations. As I was stating in my very first post, I mean generally speaking. When I say "really do like Sheppard", I mean that the people who voted 'yes' like Sheppard when it comes down to just that simple question of liking or not liking. Is it wrong to think when people put 'yes', they like him? Under what circumstances they do can be examined in the suggested poll.
"Really" in that context didn't mean "they adore him". It wasn't intended to be an adverb to 'like'. It was more along the lines that I was a little surprised that the number was that high :D

All misunderstandings eliminated`? :)

Definitely yes! Glad we've untwisted all of that! :)

[Linzi]

Definitely yes! Glad we've untwisted all of that! :)
Blimey. What next? A poll to decide whether Sheppard looks okay in the leather jacket, looks nice but I'm against leather, like the old uniform better, want him nekkid? Tee hee!

[Alipeeps]

Blimey. What next? A poll to decide whether Sheppard looks okay in the leather jacket, looks nice but I'm against leather, like the old uniform better, want him nekkid? Tee hee!

Can I vote for two options please? 1 and 4! :D :D

[Reefgirl]

Blimey did this get hormonal or what, to be honest I expected the fangirls to come out in force for this poll, I agree that another poll with more options is needed but can we leave the 'cute elf ears' and other such comments out as I'm about to lose my tea.

[Linzi]

Blimey did this get hormonal or what, to be honest I expected the fangirls to come out in force for this poll, I agree that another poll with more options is needed but can we leave the 'cute elf ears' and other such comments out as I'm about to lose my tea.
Actually Astronomicalchick suggested the elf ear thing, and as far as I'm aware she's not a Sheppy fangirl. I think she was aiming for a much needed dose of levity and frivolity to ease a tense situation, and you know what? It did. Certainly made me laugh. On a more serious note, I detect a slight insult aimed at posters who are fangirls, and as far as I can see it's no worse being a fangirl than it is to be an anti- character poster. Each to his/her own.

[astronomicalchick]

Blimey did this get hormonal or what, to be honest I expected the fangirls to come out in force for this poll, I agree that another poll with more options is needed but can we leave the 'cute elf ears' and other such comments out as I'm about to lose my tea.

Poor thing... was it a nice tea? :D

It did get steamy really quickly.. scared me a wee bit. ;)

[Alipeeps]

Blimey did this get hormonal or what, to be honest I expected the fangirls to come out in force for this poll, I agree that another poll with more options is needed but can we leave the 'cute elf ears' and other such comments out as I'm about to lose my tea.

Errrr.. it was a joke. Made by a "non-fangirl" if you want to be pejorative about it. I laughed anyway... :D

[Reefgirl]

Fair enough, it left me queasy but hey we can't all be the same

How about adding "Kill him off at the end of every episode a la Kenny from South Park" that's will get my vote. And I am trying to be funny here so don't take it the wrong way

[anaM]

Forgive me if i'm wrong but have the idea that a simple poll makes you think a little and decide, yes or no. If you are not able to answer right away, then you stay a little behind, think your options and give the vote, maybe it helps you find out what your opinion really is. I mean that if you think you would like another shep, not the one we see in the show you simply vote no.

[astronomicalchick]

Actually Astronomicalchick suggested the elf ear thing, and as far as I'm aware she's not a Sheppy fangirl. I think she was aiming for a much needed dose of levity and frivolity to ease a tense situation, and you know what? It did. Certainly made me laugh.

Tis true, I did mention the elfy ears. the leather nekkid stuff wasn't me though :p

And I'm all for frivolity all the time. Probably too much of the time to be honest.

[Alipeeps]

Fair enough, it left me queasy but hey we can't all be the same

How about adding "Kill him off at the end of every episode a la Kenny from South Park" that's will get my vote. And I am trying to be funny here so don't take it the wrong way

I'm guessing you voted no then if the mere mention of the man's ears makes you feel sick? :D

[Reefgirl]

Poor thing... was it a nice tea? :D

It did get steamy really quickly.. scared me a wee bit. ;)
It was actually,

[Alipeeps]

Tis true, I did mention the elfy ears. the leather nekkid stuff wasn't me though :p


No, that was Linzi's fault. She has something of an obsession... :lol:

[Alipeeps]

It was actually, [cut] ;)

Okay, now that is insulting. And all joking aside, this is a PG board. :mad:

[Reefgirl]

I'm guessing you voted no then if the mere mention of the man's ears makes you feel sick? :D
I was the first to vote no

[astronomicalchick]

Okay, now that is insulting. And all joking aside, this is a PG board. :mad:

Yes it is, definitely PG.

[Reefgirl]

Okay, now that is insulting. And all joking aside, this is a PG board. :mad:
ok it's been edited and I apologise for treading on anyone delicate feelings

[Alipeeps]

ok it's been edited and I apologise for treading on anyone delicate feelings

I don't think you have to be "delicate" to find that derogatory but thanks for editing it. I've done likewise with the quote.

[caty]

Great! Now I'm actually curious what was said :o

[Linzi]

Great! Now I'm actually curious what was said :o
Me too!
Ali, fancy saying I'm obsessed with leather and nekkid Sheppy! I'm insulted! ;) ;) :) I was merely wondering what on earth kind of Sheppard poll would be requested next!!!! I have absolutely no wish to know what other posters think of those images...I'm quite happy with just processing my own thoughts and opinions on that topic...

[Alipeeps]

Me too!
Ali, fancy saying I'm obsessed with leather and nekkid Sheppy! I'm insulted! ;) ;) :) I was merely wondering what on earth kind of Sheppard poll would be requested next!!!! I have absolutely no wish to know what other posters think of those images...I'm quite happy with just processing my own thoughts and opinions on that topic...

*wants to come and live in Linzi's head* :lol:

[Linzi]

*wants to come and live in Linzi's head* :lol:
I don't think you would...it's a very scary place, lol! (I haven't got that cute little waving flag sign, damn it!)

[astronomicalchick]

Great! Now I'm actually curious what was said :o

You don't want to know, it made my hair stand on end - and not in a good way.

[Linzi]

You don't want to know, it made my hair stand on end - and not in a good way.
Yep. It really was extremely unpleasant, and pretty insulting to those who find Sheppard attractive...I never want to see something like that written here again. It was in particularly poor taste, I have to say.

[caty]

Yep. It really was extremely unpleasant, and pretty insulting to those who find Sheppard attractive...I never want to see something like that written here again. It was in particularly poor taste, I have to say.

Yeah, Ali told me. Let's put that behind us, it's not worth being 'discussed' any further...

So, where's that new poll?

[Linzi]

Yeah, Ali told me. Let's put that behind us, it's not worth being 'discussed' any further...

So, where's that new poll?
Which one? The I 'like Sheppard with the elf ears', or 'I like Sheppard in the leather jacket', lol!

[Reefgirl]

Time for me to bow out now this has become another 'We love Sheppard' thread, it WAS fun when the minority was here but what can I say apart from sorry if my comments upset anyone and if anyone wants me I'll be on the Anti Sheppard Thread

Have fun girls

[Arlessiar]

To get this poll thread a bit more ontopic again - I voted yes. Sheppard is by far not my favourite character on SGA, that would be McKay, followed by Beckett.
But I dont dislike Sheppard. He's an interesting character, he's good looking, he has good intentions and motives and I like his humour. I don't understand all of his actions and I wouldn't call his character refreshing or innovative. He has flaws, some are good, some I find really annoying. But mostly I don't like the way TPTB go with the character (not much backstory, typical hero, chicks, leading style, less good banter with McKay).
So there are some things I don't understand or don't like about him, but all in all I could never say that I don't like the character, no, really not. I like him. And he's 50% of my fav slash pairing. :D
So I voted yes. :)

Bye, A.

[astronomicalchick]

To get this poll thread a bit more ontopic again - I voted yes. Sheppard is by far not my favourite character on SGA, that would be McKay, follwed by Beckett.
But I dont dislike Sheppard. He's an interesting character, he's good looking, he has good intentions and motives and I like his humour. I don't understand all of his actions and I wouldn't call his character refreshing or innovative. He has flaws, some are good, some I find really annoying. But mostly I don't like the way TPTB go with the character (not much backstory, typical hero, chicks, leading style, less good banter with McKay).
So there are some things I don't understand or don't like about him, but all in all I could never say that I don't like the character, no, really not. I like him. And he's 50% of my fav slash pairing. :D
So I voted yes. :)

Bye, A.

McKay is one of my favourites too.

I voted no, because at the moment the character of Sheppard is disappointing me, It might just be my preference but I do like my heros to have gravitas, like Sheriden in B5, Picard in the TNG. I find him a bit too fluffy. I think the writers last year kind of went down the "humourous" road a bit too far for my liking. However, there's nothing to say that Sheppard couldn't become the type of hero I want to see (I'm not even saying that's what everyone else wants, it's just what I want to see)

[caty]

I'm curious what the promised back story is gonna add to the character.

Maybe some of us will see him in a whole different light (I doubt it, but you never know)..
I can't wait to learn more about him :)

[LadyBozi]

Heck yeah I love Sheppard.. =]

[pilgrim soul]

McKay is one of my favourites too.

I voted no, because at the moment the character of Sheppard is disappointing me, It might just be my preference but I do like my heros to have gravitas, like Sheriden in B5, Picard in the TNG. I find him a bit too fluffy. I think the writers last year kind of went down the "humourous" road a bit too far for my liking. However, there's nothing to say that Sheppard couldn't become the type of hero I want to see (I'm not even saying that's what everyone else wants, it's just what I want to see)


I think it's pretty obvioius I like Shep but I have to say I agree with a lot of what you're saying here, last season they did seem to reduce him to comic relief on several occasions and it was highly disappointing to see such a backward step in his character development. I'm really hoping that they rectify that this season, comedy is fine in small doses but we need depth to back it up.

[silverdamascus]

Do I like John Sheppard? ...not really.

He spent the vast bulk of season one being a 2-D fly boy, provided, on ocassion with a decent bit of dialogue. As much as I love references to our sci-fi heritage in a modern setting Captain Kirk syndrome doesn't help create a likeable character.

In "The Storm" he did gain a level of cool. There's no denying that one, they did however squander it later.

It's a shame I think, he's not even a character I feel that strongly about. I just don't feel that he's developed enough or has enough interesting traits to build a good character. "Misbegotten" was an advancement, I didn't like what he did but at least for once he provoked a good strong emotional response.

[travis]

I'm curious whether guy's have post on this kind fo poll/post, with the amount of members I'm sure there must be or there just lurking as a guess.

Anyhow I nor like or dislike I just see him as part of the furniture (so to speak) in the show. He's ok for a good perve now and then:D

[Willow'sCat]

He's ok for a good perve now and then:D:P Just now and then. :D On the voting I think we have a lot of lurkers... :sheppard:

[Uber]

By request a poll thread.

The general rules, discuss the CHARACTER all you want, leave the ACTOR out of it. Be aware that others may post opinions contrary to your own. Please respect them.I do like the character of John Sheppard.

I think he has loads of potential and his chemistry meshes well with the others.

I believe I'm still within the rules of the forum by adding that I believe Joe Flanigan is doing a great job portraying Sheppard. I enjoy the choices he makes as an actor, the nuances and moments that he adds to make a scene work. I think his characterization is spot on and works well onscreen.

I look forward to more Sheppard and hope we get to delve into his backstory and his character as time progresses.

[travis]

:P Just now and then. :D On the voting I think we have a lot of lurkers... :sheppard:
OK maybe more than just now and then.:P :D

[bluealien]

I love the character of John Sheppard - he is the main reason I continue to watch the show.

Having said that I really feel the writers do him an injustice at times as to how they write him. I would like to see him get much more meaty dialogue and not the one liners he tends to get lumbered with on too many occasions.

As much as I love his easy going charming nature and also his dark side I would prefer at times if he was portrayed as somewhere more in the middle.
But Joe does a fantastic job with the character and puts so much more into him then whats written on paper.

Look forward to seeing lots of John Sheppard in season three.

[caty]

I'm curious whether guy's have post on this kind fo poll/post, with the amount of members I'm sure there must be or there just lurking as a guess.

Anyhow I nor like or dislike I just see him as part of the furniture (so to speak) in the show. He's ok for a good perve now and then:D

I'm sure guys have posted and voted here... The question isn't "Do you think John Sheppard is hot?", it's "Do you like the character of John Sheppard?"
Anybody can answer that without any sexual context whatsoever ;)

[travis]

I'm sure guys have posted and voted here... The question isn't "Do you think John Sheppard is hot?", it's "Do you like the character of John Sheppard?"
Anybody can answer that without any sexual context whatsoever ;)
My intention of the question was'nt refering to sexual reference at all, sorry if it came across like that.:)
But I did added to my own opinion to his looks ;)

[Lauriel]

I love the character of John Sheppard - he is the main reason I continue to watch the show.

Having said that I really feel the writers do him an injustice at times as to how they write him. I would like to see him get much more meaty dialogue and not the one liners he tends to get lumbered with on too many occasions.

As much as I love his easy going charming nature and also his dark side I would prefer at times if he was portrayed as somewhere more in the middle.
But Joe does a fantastic job with the character and puts so much more into him then whats written on paper.

Look forward to seeing lots of John Sheppard in season three.

Me too! JF is such a wonderful actor, and I'm sure if they gave him more dialogue and more complex scenarios he'd run with it! I'd love to see that.:)

[maxbo]

Yes, I still like the character. Despite the deadly combo of inconsistent writing and a lot of screen time, which only serves to hightlight how little we know about the character, I still like him.

[HelenT]

Yeah, Ali told me. Let's put that behind us, it's not worth being 'discussed' any further...

So, where's that new poll?

Wow! Looks like I missed something particularly intelligent and enlightening and all based on reasonable arguments! [sarcasm]

Shall I guess that it ran along the lines of how Sheppard fans cannot possibly love him for reasons other than astounding good looks, the usual human flaws, affability, charm intelligence, loyalty, willing to sacrifice himself for others and take whatever crap is thrown at him in defence of his friends.

Oh wait...no... that is actually taking the character as a whole.;)

[caty]

Wow! Looks like I missed something particularly intelligent and enlightening and all based on reasonable arguments! [sarcasm]

Shall I guess that it ran along the lines of how Sheppard fans cannot possibly love him for reasons other than astounding good looks, the usual human flaws, affability, charm intelligence, loyalty, willing to sacrifice himself for others and take whatever crap is thrown at him in defence of his friends.

Oh wait...no... that is actually taking the character as a whole.;)

That about covers it... With non-PG words, of course which have been deleted by request...

[Lauriel]

I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers, but that comment has been apologised for and retracted. The politest thing to do is let it drop.

[caty]

I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers, but that comment has been apologised for and retracted. The politest thing to do is let it drop.

Sorry, but I hardly call "...apologize for treading on anyone's delicate feelings" a polite and honest apology..

Anyway, for all I care, we can drop the subject now..

[ranchan2]

Of course I like him, but there are moments where I think he's being very unprofessional. I think that's part of his character though so I try not to hold it against him.

[lissa1000]

I voted no because I don't like the way he acts with women. *hopes no one notices how much time I spend lurking in the Sheppard thunk thread* That wasn't me, that was another lissa1000, I swear. :D

[mcalex22]

A bit late in this and I gather that I've missed all the hoo-hah? :cool:

I answered yes!!!

Definitely yes. I love John Sheppard. I can't quite put to words why I like him, but I like him flawed, I like him flirty, I like him dorky, I like him goofy, I like him being the soldier, I like his intense loyalty to his team mates and I like the fact that though he's not big on talking about his feelings, he's intensely protective of his friends. :)

Sorry I haven't got any profound words.

Sure he's good looking but I think he has many layers and it's always interesting for me to see a bit each time.

[Lauriel]

A bit late in this and I gather that I've missed all the hoo-hah? :cool:

I answered yes!!!

Definitely yes. I love John Sheppard. I can't quite put to words why I like him, but I like him flawed, I like him flirty, I like him dorky, I like him goofy, I like him being the soldier, I like his intense loyalty to his team mates and I like the fact that though he's not big on talking about his feelings, he's intensely protective of his friends. :)

Sorry I haven't got any profound words.

Sure he's good looking but I think he has many layers and it's always interesting for me to see a bit each time.

I don't think you need any profound words- the ones you used were fantastically accurate. I agree totally. I like those different aspects you listed, and as you said, it is the layers that make him interesting. (Add JF's brilliant acting ability that expresses all this!)

Oh.. btw - I've noticed that you can usually re-ignite the hoo-haa on this forum with little difficulty. :o Although in this case, all you're going to get from me is oooh-aaah, pretty!:D

[Elinor]

Oh.. btw - I've noticed that you can usually re-ignite the hoo-haa on this forum with little difficulty. :o Although in this case, all you're going to get from me is oooh-aaah, pretty!:D

LOL!!! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/lachen/laughing-smiley-004.gif