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    Ancients ascension superior to Ori ascension?

    the usually cited difference between the ancients and the ori is that the ancients took the path of science and the ori took the path of religion. that would suggest that the ancients pre-ascension in their time and later were scientifically more advanced than the ori pre-ascension - much like the difference in current technology levels between western judeo-christian society and islamic societies. then thinking back to season 1's "hide and seek" (transcript fragment below), mckay conjectures that the ancients researched ascension and that ancient scientists may have intervened to promote ascension. (similarly anubis was doing all sorts of gene therapy to get khalek to the doorstep of ascension). in the end, both the ancients and the ori achieved ascension, but it had been stated before that there are many different levels of ascension, which would also suggest there are multiple ways to ascension other than "releasing one's burden". in requiring the energy of worship to sustain itself, is the ascension of ori inferior to that of the ancients, given there is no evidence as yet that ancients seek any form of energy from worship for its sustenance. just as asgard shields would work better with better power sources developed from more advanced science and technology, did the superior science of the ancients yield a superior form of achieving ascension or a power source that better sustains ascension (note mckay said the entity on atlantis was hungry), while the religious fanatics stumbled across their technology in a similar manner to the way earth's axis of evil bumble their way to superior military technologies?

    #2
    The fact that the Ori will not attack the Ancients directly supports your theory or a host of others as well:

    -The Ori could actually believe that the Ancients are harvesting belief energy from the people of the Milky Way and therefore they are far overestimating the power of the Ancients.

    -The Ancients may have superior numbers to the Ori (unlikely since the Ancients seem to be a splinter group of the original Alteran race and would therefore be smaller in numbers).

    -The Ancients may have been ascended for longer than the Ori and have therefore continued to climb up the ladder of ascension and are currently at a higher place than the Ori.

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      #3
      possible meaning thats why the ori needs energy and power from thier worshippers because they are at a lower ascension to the ancients so they gather more power and that.
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        #4
        i think the ori have been ascended longer than the ancients. basis being that the ori religion probably required some mediation, something like what happened in epiphany happened where they ascended without as much evolution.

        probably why they saw our ancients and made a plaque to wipe them out due to their old hatred. they proably forgot us because the MW was devastated with no intelegent life. then our ancients started to ascend and keep the ori view of our galaxy as desolate. and the ancients reseeded life.

        and we dont know how ascention works. our aseceded may be more advanced because they were more evolved when they ascended.
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          #5
          I haven't heard it said, that the Ori need the power they're draining from their followers, only that they do it. And, to make the point wouldn't the Ancient's form of ascension be inferior to the Ori, since the Ancient's took a shortcut, using science instead of meditation, contemplation, the purification of the soul. The dna manipulation device, that Nerti was using was created by Ancient's. I think the Ori ascended first, millions of years ago, the people they created can't be more than a few thousand years old, so there was probably a gap wherein they didn't care much about draining power.

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            #6
            Also the Ancients having superior numbers can still be a possibility if what Orlin said is true that the Ori do not ascend their followers while the Ancients helped people ascend..though these were either rogue groups or people who had access to the knowledge on how to ascend like Anubis and those people in that time bubble in the Pegasus Galaxy. Even if its only a hundred people ascending in say a 100 years....the accumulation of such people over thousands of years while the Ori's remain static may say that the Ancients do indeed outnumber the Ori. Though again this depends if what Orlin said is true.


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              #7
              actually ancients = alterans/lantians


              as for ascended beings in the mw for sure there's at least 3000 (abydos)
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                #8
                Originally posted by GreyFox
                actually ancients = alterans/lantians
                we all knew that...
                Their white flags are no match to our guns!!

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                  #9
                  I reckon the reason that the Ori haven't attacked the Ancients is because they know that there's no way to win, though ironically enough if they actually did ascend their followers then they might be able to.
                  We saw in Threads (it was Threads, right?) that an ascended being can't actually kill another ascended being. A group of them could descend a single ascended being, but that's not guarenteed to work (look at Anubis). One of them could engage another in combat, and they'd both be locked in combat for all eternity with no way for the other to win.

                  The Ori want control. And that's why they won't attack the Ancients.

                  If the Ori went to war with the Ancients at this point in the series then all they'd manage to do is lock them in eternal combat, and while that would neutralise the Ancients it would also neutralise the Ori. Even if the Ori had superior numbers who'd be the one who decides who gets to remain and who has to fight for all eternity? They'd have to decide amongst themselves, and no one of them would want to do it.

                  But then if that's the case, then why would they come to our galaxy to destroy the Ancients? They can't neutralise them without neutralising themselves.

                  Possibly they've come to find Merlin's weapon? If the Ori's followers had that then they'd be able to destroy the Ancients. And with that grudge settled and no one else willing to step in on the Milky Way's behalf, the Ori would dominate.

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                    #10
                    In Prototype we learned Anubis had a plan to kill the Ancients with Ascended Warriors. So I believe it is possible to kill an Ascended being..

                    The Orii feed on the power of their followers, if they didn't need it then why go thru the trouble of enforcing it? and make an effort towards converting the unvierse?

                    I believe, the Ancients because they ascended with the aid of technoledgy may had actually fixed or ascended beyond that point. Perhaps they Ascended to the form of the Orii and then climbed the ladder to where they are now. This would explain why many people in Pegasus worship them.

                    Perhaps it was their beliefs and natural evolution which assisted them in this.
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                      #11
                      At this point, I think it's pretty hard to determine which side is "superior" at the moment. The Ascended Ancients may have greater numbers, but the Ori have all the extra power they've been zapping from their followers on their side. Only time will tell on this one.
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                        #12
                        Pretty much!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JanusAncient
                          Pretty much!
                          Oh, well. It will be worth the wait.
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                            #14
                            Something I just can't figure, a little help required, Orlin said that the Ori drain power, but they seem to give a great deal of power to their followers as well, so do they drain then give, or give and then drain?

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                              #15
                              Knowledge and power are two different things. The Ori suck the power from your soul. The power the sap from your soul has nothing to do with the knowledge they give their followers.

                              for example

                              you could sell your soul to the devil and he could give your all the gadgets of the Ori in return, but he still owns your soul. So the Oriis power has nothing to do with what their followers pysically have.

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