The episode that failed

[Feli]

Sometimes we don't expect much from an episode and after we've seen it we're disappointed; the ep was simply bad (pardon me; not up to the usual high Stargate standard *g*). Those are not the episodes I want to talk about.

Sometimes we really look forward to an episode because the spoilers sounded so interesting. Sometimes we watch the first ten minutes and are thrilled with what we've seen so far because it looks really promising. But then the episode falls flat, leaves us disappointed and with an empty feeling. These are the episodes I want to talk about!

So which is the ep that failed most spectacularly that which it seemed to promise in your opinion? And what are the reasons for its failure?

[David]

Though I decently enjoyed "Revisions," I felt its ending was a very lame one.

[Major Tyler]

I was really disappointed with "Resurrection." I thought they could have done a lot more with it.

-Matt

[Teal'c]

The only episode I was ever really disapointed with was Sight Unseen, it was promising, but ended up too cheesy...

[Osiris]

Death Knell disapointed me: I thought we had to see Olokun come back... but it didn't happen... :confused:

[Quint]

Recently Resurrection and Enemy Mine were disappointing. Although I didn't expect to like Enemy Mine (I dont enjoy the Unas stories) I was very surprised that I didn't like Resurrection. Perhaps I had to high expectations but that episode really 'failed' for me.

Ethan

[san]

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The only episode this season that fail to my expectations was Heroes. I like the episode, way much more then some of the others, but I was looking for more. Specially Janet’s death, it was there right to do what they wanted with the character, but for such a dear one, her death was pointless, they could have use any other character. And, in a episode where you’re saying goodbye to a very strong secondary character, they didn’t give us very much off her.

san

[Teal'c]

The only episode this season that fail to my expectations was Heroes. I like the episode, way much more then some of the others, but I was looking for more.

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Specially Janet’s death, it was there right to do what they wanted with the character, but for such a dear one, her death was pointless, they could have use any other character. And, in a episode where you’re saying goodbye to a very strong secondary character, they didn’t give us very much off her.

san

And here we have the first breaking of the spoiler space rule :P

[Thor]

Indeed I have to agree with "san".
Espacially Heroes Part 1&2 have failed my expectaions but I think I had to high expactions to this episode. Don't get me wrong, I really liked the episode at the end.
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[Madeleine]

The one that I was really looking forward to but which turned out to be pretty dire was Avenger. It sounded great - none of the gates working, lots of potential for offworld peril and drama, lots of angsting at the SGC, a simple concept that could be explained to the viewer with minimal technobabble.

Instead it was played for laughs, and it even failed at that. It was cringeworthy Felger-as-uberpillock interspersed with dreary technobabble.

It's not uncommon for me to watch an ep knowing that everyone will be alright in the end, but still on the edge of my seat trying to work out *how* they would get out of the current pickle. In Avenger they got into the dodgy situation with technobabble, and they got out of it with technobabble and a deus ex machina cargo ship.

Other eps that failed... There was nothing particularly awful about Proving Ground, but it wasn't a success for me cos I didn't care much about the recruits and there's no tension cos it's always clearly a drill.

Space Race was turned from a ho-hum, worse-than-average-but-hey-this-is-Stargate-so-still-enjoyable-enough episode into a very painful viewing experience by those ghastly announcers. They were pure cheese. And worse, if they are from an alien culture, how come they screamed 'American' with every fixed-grin-delivered line?

Grace failed for me because I was hoping for some deep insight into Sam's character, or maybe some thrilling Sam-in-peril stuff, or at least a decent who-are-the-aliens mystery. Instead, I got 'Sam isn't happy, she needs a man to be happy', and 'Sam thinks she'd give up the career that has been her life's focus if only Jack said the word'. Which kind of put the lid on the well-adjusted, secure, self-confident and happy person I'd always seen in Sam.

[san]

sorry, i complitly forgot about it, wont happen again

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[SeaBee]

For me "Space Race".
I felt that it was just written to give the FX dept. something to do.

Nuff said.

[Major Clanger]

sorry, i complitly forgot about it, wont happen again

sanno worries... it's all shiny and new here - little accidents are bound to happen!
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[Teal'c]

The one that I was really looking forward to but which turned out to be pretty dire was Avenger. It sounded great - none of the gates working, lots of potential for offworld peril and drama, lots of angsting at the SGC, a simple concept that could be explained to the viewer with minimal technobabble.

Instead it was played for laughs, and it even failed at that. It was cringeworthy Felger-as-uberpillock interspersed with dreary technobabble.

It's not uncommon for me to watch an ep knowing that everyone will be alright in the end, but still on the edge of my seat trying to work out *how* they would get out of the current pickle. In Avenger they got into the dodgy situation with technobabble, and they got out of it with technobabble and a deus ex machina cargo ship.


Well it's your own fault for going into the episode with that view. You knew it was Felger, you should have already seen The Other Guys, how were you not expecting comedy.

Yes, Felger was a bit over the top, but not much, it was still funny. The technobabble wasn't over the top, because, frankly, they needed it to explain WHY this was happening, they couldn't just say "We're uploading a virus that will stop a gate from dialing" without explaining WHY it does that. And the Al'kesh (How dare you compare that beast to a cargo ship :P) wasn't deus ex machina, it was a plot element from earlier in the episode (Jack mentions it several times on the MALP) and from a future episode (Grace), it's not like they said "Hmm... how will they get out of this one, ah an Al'kesh!" they could have just sent less Jaffa at them :P



Other eps that failed... There was nothing particularly awful about Proving Ground, but it wasn't a success for me cos I didn't care much about the recruits and there's no tension cos it's always clearly a drill.


Bull! Unless you had read spoilers previously, there's no way you knew it was a drill, I can't see how. Frankly, I was waiting for the Foothold aliens to be back, but it was a drill, which was good enough I supose, because Grogan was there and he's funny :P



Space Race was turned from a ho-hum, worse-than-average-but-hey-this-is-Stargate-so-still-enjoyable-enough episode into a very painful viewing experience by those ghastly announcers. They were pure cheese. And worse, if they are from an alien culture, how come they screamed 'American' with every fixed-grin-delivered line?


Say what you will, I loved the announcers. You are aware that they were meant to be cheesy, for comic purposes. I thought they were one of the best parts of the episode (The best was Eamon's wonderful Niles Crane impressions :P)



Grace failed for me because I was hoping for some deep insight into Sam's character, or maybe some thrilling Sam-in-peril stuff, or at least a decent who-are-the-aliens mystery. Instead, I got 'Sam isn't happy, she needs a man to be happy', and 'Sam thinks she'd give up the career that has been her life's focus if only Jack said the word'. Which kind of put the lid on the well-adjusted, secure, self-confident and happy person I'd always seen in Sam.

I'll give you that it didn't really go into more than Sam's love life, but I still liked it. I suppose I can accept you not liking it then.... yeah, I do compromise :P

[Major Clanger]

Bull! Unless you had read spoilers previously, there's no way you knew it was a drill, I can't see how. Frankly, I was waiting for the Foothold aliens to be back, but it was a drill, which was good enough I supose, because Grogan was there and he's funny :P

I hadn't read spoilers. And I guessed pretty quickly - like within seconds of Jack leaving - that it was a drill. I don't know, maybe I'm just cynical, maybe it's my military background, maybe it's just that I am so fed up of TV showing us that the only people on the planet who know anything are under 25.... whatever.

The ep was ridiculous in the extreme.

Oh, I've said it now!!

[Madeleine]

Well it's your own fault for going into the episode with that view. You knew it was Felger, you should have already seen The Other Guys, how were you not expecting comedy.

Maybe I *was* expecting (some) comedy. But comedy is funny, and Avenger wasn't. In TOG he was a fool, but an almost-believable one. In Avenger he was an insult to the inteligence. I was expecting a Sam-ep, but Sam had less screentime than Felger, and what she did have was mostly Felger-support-stuff, not Sam-stuff.



Bull! Unless you had read spoilers previously, there's no way you knew it was a drill, I can't see how.

Are you calling me a liar? Not advisable, I bite ;) . It's so long since I saw it that I can't remember what gave it away, I only remember that both Mr W and I knew it was a drill before they even got to the SGC. And I was spoilerfree back in them days.




Say what you will, I loved the announcers. You are aware that they were meant to be cheesy, for comic purposes.

No, I'm not aware that they were meant to be cheesy for comic purposes. Were they comic at all? Comic is usually funny. Cheesy is just... cheese. The only time I ever watched American sports-announcers they were just like that in their manner, their tone, their delivery and the types of things they said. So I assumed they were just a straight copy of American TV.

But, in the spirit of compromise, I ought to admit that Space Race is *not* a failure if watched in the company of a remote-control. The announcers magically disappear!

[Apophis]

I thought that Avenger was terrible, one of the view episodes i've ever struggled to keep watching. It just wasn't funny, the ending was rushed and the main focus of the episode was on characters which I don't like. "The other guys" planted my hatred for them a long time ago and this episode just enforced that. :mad:

[xathras]

I'm going to go back a bit and say One False Step. Interesting premise (and one that has not been addressed anywhere near adequately) on the dangers of disease transmission through the gate, some actual science, aliens who did not speak English (or anything else). It had the potential to be good, but just didn't work for me in the finished version. Might have been the zippers that got to me ;).

[GateGipsy]

Avenger was a downer for me too - for much of the same reasons that Madeleine mentioned. About three quarters of the way through I found that I couldn't stop myself from feeling really really annoyed at the buffoonery way they were treating what was an incredibly dire situation.

At that point the thought 'hey, now if it was Mackay...' popped into my head. Mackay slid so easily into the episode, that I immediately stopped seeing Felger, and only 'saw' Mackay, and have only seen 'mackay' since!

One other episode that just fell flat, and one that I'd really really been looking forward to, was Enemy Mine. The first half was great but the second half just fell apart. Let's just get Tealc to stand around for no reason. We've got Chaka here, but let's ignore him and get Daniel to sort it all out. And while we're about it let's have some more of the stereotypical and hackneyed army types. Oh should we have an ending now? Yawn, I'm tired, we'd better finish it off...

I think that if Dion Johnston had been Chaka that would have been enough to have redeemed the episode for me, despite the way they treated Tealc in it. Kudos to Michael, he worked really hard with what he'd been given.

[stargate barbie]

episode that disappointed me the most had to be enemy mine in season 7.
mainly because i usually love unas episodes and i usually love peter deluise episodes. i think i built it up waaayy too much and was just very much let down.
death knell wasn't quite what i expected but i still very much enjoyed it and it gets more enjoyable on repeat viewings, but enemy mine still leaves me kind of empty

[spg_1983]

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The only episode this season that fail to my expectations was Heroes. I like the episode, way much more then some of the others, but I was looking for more. Specially Janet’s death, it was there right to do what they wanted with the character, but for such a dear one, her death was pointless, they could have use any other character. And, in a episode where you’re saying goodbye to a very strong secondary character, they didn’t give us very much off her.

san
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How can you say her death was pointless? she sacrificed her life doing what she did, saving someone elses life. Janet was never afraid to risk herself to save someones life. She went into a heavy combat zone, unarmed, with no care for herself only to save the soldier. She made the ultimate sacrifice for someone else and you call that pointless? I find that a beautiful and tragic scene that perfectly summed up the character. Caring, loving, healer, with so much compassion that she takes a staff blast to the chest to save someones life. There is no better way they could have had Janet be killed because it was the ultimate expression of the character

[Ace]

The worst stargate episode for me was Bane... I pretend that particular episode never happened. I couldn't believe that it was a Stargate episode and not something from one of those 1950's scifi shows. I seriously would like to know what was going through the writer's head as he wrote that episode. Maybe a brain lapse...who knows!!

Ace

[ShadowMaat]

I was disgusted with Avenger 2.0. I loved Felger in The Other Guys and was really looking forward to seeing him again, but they made it all so STUPID. They made Felger even stupider and more buffoonish than ever before- to the point where I questioned how the hell they could ever let him on the base in the first place- and the seriousness of the basic plot was at complete odds with Felger's behavior and general attitude. I mean, I'm all for comic moments off-setting serious drama, but there was no blending of the two elements in this ep. It made it look clunky and awkward. It destroyed the drama of the ep and played it for laughs instead. It made me hate Felger, and I resent that. :p

[spg_1983]

I was disgusted with Avenger 2.0. I loved Felger in The Other Guys and was really looking forward to seeing him again, but they made it all so STUPID. They made Felger even stupider and more buffoonish than ever before- to the point where I questioned how the hell they could ever let him on the base in the first place- and the seriousness of the basic plot was at complete odds with Felger's behavior and general attitude. I mean, I'm all for comic moments off-setting serious drama, but there was no blending of the two elements in this ep. It made it look clunky and awkward. It destroyed the drama of the ep and played it for laughs instead. It made me hate Felger, and I resent that. :p
yeah avenger 2.0 was really dissapointing especially because with how idiotic they made felger i really wanted to see carter just belt him one and tell him to grow up and act like a scientist but she didnt.....

[aAnubiSs]

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How can you say her death was pointless? she sacrificed her life doing what she did, saving someone elses life. Janet was never afraid to risk herself to save someones life. She went into a heavy combat zone, unarmed, with no care for herself only to save the soldier. She made the ultimate sacrifice for someone else and you call that pointless? I find that a beautiful and tragic scene that perfectly summed up the character. Caring, loving, healer, with so much compassion that she takes a staff blast to the chest to save someones life. There is no better way they could have had Janet be killed because it was the ultimate expression of the character

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I'm sorry, but i didn't see Janet doing any doctor thing, she was holding the serum bag while daniel filme and give support.
In fact the main reason of that scene was Daniel filming that soldier and yes latter Janets Death. But what she was doing during that scene was not a job of a doctor, but of a nurse, hell even Daniel could have been ding that!
I don't contest the fact that, yes she went to a danger situation to help save lifes, but the moment she die, she wasn't doing that and the job that she was doing could have been done with any other person.
And frankly, i don't see the SGC sending is main Medical to a combact zone.
i would have found it much more intense, if that was a case of foothold and she was kill on the base trying to save someone againts a enemie within the SGC.

San

[thelittlesis]

The worst stargate episode for me was Bane... I pretend that particular episode never happened. I couldn't believe that it was a Stargate episode and not something from one of those 1950's scifi shows. I seriously would like to know what was going through the writer's head as he wrote that episode. Maybe a brain lapse...who knows!!

Ace

Got to say I agree with you there, it was just like some big ol' cliché. It's definitely my least favourite ep even if Harry is in it!

:D

Sis

[dipsofjazz]

Grace failed for me because I was hoping for some deep insight into Sam's character, or maybe some thrilling Sam-in-peril stuff, or at least a decent
who-are-the-aliens mystery. Instead, I got 'Sam isn't happy, she needs a
man to be happy', and 'Sam thinks she'd give up the career that has been
her life's focus if only Jack said the word'. Which kind of put the lid on the
well-adjusted, secure, self-confident and happy person I'd always seen in
Sam.

I agree totally with you, here. Sam is my favourite character and I felt the writers made a bad job of this episode, and also Chimera. These episodes basically say that she needs a man to make her life complete, whereas the strong woman we see in earlier episodes would never behave like this. :mad:

[Watters87]

Chimera for me as it had lots of potential for a good episode for Daniel but they made it into a Carter 'Love Life' episode. For me the ending just made it 100 times worse

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I'm sorry, but i didn't see Janet doing any doctor thing, she was holding the serum bag while daniel filme and give support.
In fact the main reason of that scene was Daniel filming that soldier and yes latter Janets Death. But what she was doing during that scene was not a job of a doctor, but of a nurse, hell even Daniel could have been ding that!
I don't contest the fact that, yes she went to a danger situation to help save lifes, but the moment she die, she wasn't doing that and the job that she was doing could have been done with any other person.
And frankly, i don't see the SGC sending is main Medical to a combact zone.
i would have found it much more intense, if that was a case of foothold and she was kill on the base trying to save someone againts a enemie within the SGC.

San
What are you talking about? Daniel was holding the bag, Janet was trying to stabilise him. A staff blast is very serious, not something a medic could handle just like that, they needed Janet (Or any other of the bases doctors, but Janet was on call) to keep him alive and well enough to be moved, or may even had to operate (or whatever you do for a staff blast) there and then.

[ShadowMaat]

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Grace failed for me because I was hoping for some deep insight into Sam's character, or maybe some thrilling Sam-in-peril stuff, or at least a decent who-are-the-aliens mystery. Instead, I got 'Sam isn't happy, she needs a man to be happy', and 'Sam thinks she'd give up the career that has been her life's focus if only Jack said the word'. Which kind of put the lid on the well-adjusted, secure, self-confident and happy person I'd always seen in Sam.

Amen to that! And if I'd seen the ep, I'd probably list it as one I hated. But thanks to spoilers, I found out the focus in enough time to avoid watching it. ;) From what I've heard, it was very gag-worthy and I'm glad I missed it.

I wonder if having a few female writers around would have made it any better... or if we're doomed to a "Sam is weak and needs a man in her life in order to be happy" no matter what. *sigh*

Agree that Bane was a failure. I found Red Sky boring, too and the science seemed very questionable. Frozen had good potential but turned out kinda dull.

Disclosure was boring AND annoying. I hate clips shows in general and didn't feel that this one really added much to anything. I hated the reinforced steretyping, too. Foreign governments are not ALL greedy and back-stabbing and out for glory and as cliched and predictible as the "representatives" were in this ep. America isn't all that hot a country, itself, and I'm a bit tired of seeing it pimped as the end-all, be-all, "we're the only ones capable of handling this" greatest country in the world. *gak* No, my opinion is not open for political debate. :p And yes, I am in fact American. Almost the entire ep was a waste of time. The only GOOD thing about it was the exchange between Kinsey and Thor. Classic stuff and great to see Kinsey put in his place. ;)

[san]

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about this

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4th pic - Daniel is the one dressing the wound - not janet the doctor

rest of the pic below - janet , the doctor , is looking at Daniel - the one holding the serum bag and talking to the patien - again the papers are inverted.

and yes later Janet does pic the bag so that Daniel can film the guy.

I'm sorry, Janet was/is one of my favourite character of the show, i don't mind that they kill her, i do mind the way they kill her or better the silly reason for it.

San

[san]

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staff blast is very serious, not something a medic could handle just like that, they needed Janet (Or any other of the bases doctors, but Janet was on call) to keep him alive and well enough to be moved, or may even had to operate (or whatever you do for a staff blast) there and then.


I don't buy that, there were many episodes where a team come hurt through the gate - staff wounds included - "Death Knell" come to mind and unless the place is secured, no medical team goes off world. The patien is carried to the gate and Hammond calls to a medical team to the gate room.


San

[zafrod]

i think that seasons 7's later episodes got even better, and they included enemy mine and orpheus are true examples. :)
an episode that did fail in my eyes was fallen, i expected a much more investigative episode, but all i felt like was that they were rushing to the next story, and the fact that every1 seems to get over the fact that he is back and they accept it all tht too easily.
i just think that their should have been more deeper episodes, like heroes, as this is one of the last seasons, and they should have bigger ideas on episodes.
but having said this, still best season yet :)

[spg_1983]

I'm talking about this

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4th pic - Daniel is the one dressing the wound - not janet the doctor

rest of the pic below - janet , the doctor , is looking at Daniel - the one holding the serum bag and talking to the patien - again the papers are inverted.

and yes later Janet does pic the bag so that Daniel can film the guy.

I'm sorry, Janet was/is one of my favourite character of the show, i don't mind that they kill her, i do mind the way they kill her or better the silly reason for it.

San
look it doesnt matter exactly what she was doing at the point that the staff hit her. she went unarmed into a combat zone to save someone elses life and she sacrificed her self. saying her death was pointless or whatever trivializes everything the character stood for and has done for the past 7 years on the show!

[ShadowMaat]

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Fallen/Homecoming was way too rushed. They tried to cram too much story into not enough time. It made it seem like they were in a hurry to "get this over with and get back to normal" rather than spending the necessary time to deal with all of the major things happening. Daniel's return was handled poorly (one minute he has amnesia, the next he's fine), Jonas's send-off was rushed (I could practically hear O'Neill saying, "don't let the iris hit you on the ass on your way out!"), the importance of what Anubis was doing and what he'd discovered went from being monumental to "just another day in the neighborhood", and those godawful moronic "homages" to Star Wars! Puh-lease! I didn't see them as homages I saw them as blatant rip-offs of well-established scenes from Return of the Jedi and all it did was waste valuable screentime that could have been put to better use by more firmly establishing ANY of the story elements that were thrown at us in these eps.

The scenes between Daniel and Jonas were great, the two have good onscreen chemistry (in a strictly platonic way), but the storylines were an absolute mess. It needed to be more drawn out. I'm not saying the whole season should have been devoted to Daniel's return, but it should have taken longer than it did. Maybe if they'd killed Revisions (which was a complete waste of space anyway) and used it for a third ep in the arc it would have worked a little better. As it was, Fallen/Homecoming came off as sloppy and ill-thought out. At least to me. But then, I think most of S7 was a waste of time. ;)

[Dani347]

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Before Grace, I would have said Avenger 2.0 was the worst episode of season 7, but Grace went above and beyond that. Way to set women back, tptb.

[dipsofjazz]

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Before Grace, I would have said Avenger 2.0 was the worst episode of season 7, but Grace went above and beyond that. Way to set women back, tptb.
Perhaps if the PTB used some female writers things would be different.

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saying her death was pointless or whatever trivializes everything the character stood for and has done for the past 7 years on the show

Let's agree to disagree, since i feel that the way they treat Janet character in Heroes trivializes everthing she stood for.
And you feel that they give her a very good tribute.

So...i agree to disagree with you.

San

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Let's agree to disagree, since i feel that the way they treat Janet character in Heroes trivializes everthing she stood for.
And you feel that they give her a very good tribute.

So...i agree to disagree with you.

San
very well i agree to disagree as well

[stargate barbie]

other episodes that completely failed me were,
without question chimera. not because i had built it up to be good, because believe me i didn't. i expected it to be terrible, but the first 20 minutes or so were actually ok. then it just got worse and worse for me. and i absolutely hated the ending. on repeat viewings ( of which there were not many) it just leaves me cringing. then i realised that it was actually a bad episode of sex and the city disguised as stargate. ( don't get me wrong i like sex and the city, but not when i'm looking for some stargate)

another one that disappointed me a little bit was lifeboat. because i kept hearing about how great it was and then i saw it, and it was ok, michael shanks' accents threw me off a bit, and i don't really know beyond that why it didn't work for me, it just didn't.

in my pre spoiler days, season 2's the gamekeeper really failed for me. there's a few others but those are the ones that really come to mind.

wow, long post for me.

[xayeidemon]

Grace and Revisions are my picks. I couldn't decide which one was worse, so I had to choose both.

I disliked Grace because it effectively and irreparably ruined the character of Samantha Carter. I refuse to believe she's been harbouring "feelings" for Jack all these years.

Revisons sucked because...well...it was flatter than a can of soda left out on the porch for a week. It could have been a great team ep, but what did we get? Crapola masquerading as a classic episode of Stargate.

Blegh.

[ShadowMaat]

Revisions was when I finally gave up on Stargate, except for the occasional random eps. Flat, flat, flat and, to quote Urgo, "Boring!" There was nothing redeemable about the ep at all, as far as I'm concerned. And did I mention it was flat? And boring? Bleah...

[stargate barbie]

Revisions was when I finally gave up on Stargate, except for the occasional random eps. Flat, flat, flat and, to quote Urgo, "Boring!" There was nothing redeemable about the ep at all, as far as I'm concerned. And did I mention it was flat? And boring? Bleah...

if you don't mind my asking, why do you still watch the show and post in forums dedicated to the show if you've given up on it?

[ShadowMaat]

if you don't mind my asking, why do you still watch the show and post in forums dedicated to the show if you've given up on it?

There are still some good eps. They're just very few and far between. ;) I live in the hope that TPTB will come to their senses and actually start writing real stories again. Plus, just because I'm not watching the current seasons doesn't mean I'm not watching the old seasons. I hate what Stargate has become, but I still love what it was and I always WILL love it.

I also have friends here. And a few affable enemies whom I am compelled to torment, eh T-bonehead? :p

[stargate barbie]

There are still some good eps. They're just very few and far between. ;) I live in the hope that TPTB will come to their senses and actually start writing real stories again. Plus, just because I'm not watching the current seasons doesn't mean I'm not watching the old seasons. I hate what Stargate has become, but I still love what it was and I always WILL love it.

I also have friends here. And a few affable enemies whom I am compelled to torment, eh T-bonehead? :p
gotcha. hope your opinion of the show improves, and torment away!
i'm kind of the opposite. i think most of the eps are still good but with only a few dodgy ones. but then again a lot of eps that i love, were hated by most people this year it seems.

[jenniferhailey]

"Grace." They finally do a Sam episode and its a half assed Star Trek rip off.

And also, already being upset about the departure of Corin, I was very disappointed and angry with "Fallen" and "Homecoming." They didn't give him a good send off, which he definately deserved. :(

[Sir Ruff]

I just have to say that forever in a day was the most boring sg-1 ep i've ever seen. Maybe because I don't like the Daniel/godknowswho ship thing

Thank god Daniel isn't as annoying whining ***** as he was in seasons 1-3

[Rage18]

The one episode that I really thought was lame was One false Step. I just didn't get it. It had nothing to do with the overall story and it was just wierd.

[angsty_otaku]

i thought heroes is one of the best eps so far >.< the worst ep for me has to be either emancipation or enemy mine...

[KayMan2k]

The second story line with the Unas, forget the episode name. I am not particulary found of Unas episodes and trying to break away from 'jail' wasn't too exciting from my eyes.

My least favorite episode from season seven is Ressurection. Also, "One False Step" comes to mind as being amoung my least favorite.

[KayMan2k]

I just have to say that forever in a day was the most boring sg-1 ep i've ever seen. Maybe because I don't like the Daniel/godknowswho ship thing

Thank god Daniel isn't as annoying whining ***** as he was in seasons 1-3

It may not have had the most action but I thought it was well put together and an twist plot. I liked that one.

[angsty_otaku]

The second story line with the Unas, forget the episode name. I am not particulary found of Unas episodes and trying to break away from 'jail' wasn't too exciting from my eyes.

you mean beast of burden? some of the jack/daniel banter was pretty good...but i agree that the ep. sort of lagged at times...

[Shipperahoy]

There isn't an episode that I've absolutely postively hated with a passion as hot as the fire of a thousand suns or anything but I was disapointed with Full Circle. The ascension thing really bugged me but as there in another thread devoted to that topic I won't go on further. As a season ender it was disapointing if it had been the series ender I probably would have kicked my t.v. But still not complete and utter crap or anything.

[James Holland]

I thought alomost every episode sucked except for Fallen and Homecoming Evoloution part 1 & 2 Death Knell, Heroes Part 1 &2 and The lost city part 1 & 2

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[D.C.]

Space Race is the worst episode of Stargate SG-1. :)

[joker_smile]

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[Anthro Girl]

I don't really ever think of any episode as "failing". There are good stories and not-so-great stories (New Ground comes to mind), but failing? Maybe my expectations are low? :D

I suppose if you take the spoilers - even the "official" ones - and overanalyze them before the airing, you're bound to be disappointed. It is much like a film adaptation of a favorite book. The director's eye is not likely to match the mind's eye. I don't religiously avoid spoilers and I prefer the kind that just give a peek at the initial story lines (A&B). I do try to avoid the rumors, speculation and discussion about spoilers. That said, I see the episodes as the collective effort of the cast and crew...their baby, not mine...and I'm grateful they share it with me.

[MagnoliaAnaglypta]

Bull! Unless you had read spoilers previously, there's no way you knew it was a drill, I can't see how.


Bull yerself. Maybe you can't see how, but I got it within five minutes - and I hadn't seen any spoilers for that particular ep. I got it the second Daniel was revealed to have used that voice-distorter at the beginning. It seemed absolutely obvious that the whole thing would be a set up after that.

[MagnoliaAnaglypta]

No, I'm not aware that they were meant to be cheesy for comic purposes. Were they comic at all? Comic is usually funny. Cheesy is just... cheese. The only time I ever watched American sports-announcers they were just like that in their manner, their tone, their delivery and the types of things they said. So I assumed they were just a straight copy of American TV.


Well, it seemed pretty obvious to me that they were that way deliberately in an attempt to be humerous. But like you, I just found them cheesy. I like cheese on biscuits and in omelettes. I don't like it in Stargate!

I found nothing at all amusing about the announcers. They just made my teeth ache.

[MagnoliaAnaglypta]

There isn't an episode that I've absolutely postively hated with a passion as hot as the fire of a thousand suns or anything but I was disapointed with Full Circle. The ascension thing really bugged me but as there in another thread devoted to that topic I won't go on further. As a season ender it was disapointing if it had been the series ender I probably would have kicked my t.v. But still not complete and utter crap or anything.
In terms of an episode that I was expecting to be wonderful and ended up feeling extremely let down by, Full Circle was the one.

Yes, it had some great moments in it but overally, when it had finished I just sat there thinking that if it really had been the last ever ep, it would have depressed the hell out of me. As it was the thing with the Abydonians just made me angry.

[dorien]

I started watching the show on SciFi Mondays so I saw most of the series in a relatively short space of time. No expectations, no disappointments. I just sat back and enjoyed watching the stories unfold. But I did come across some spoilers for season 7 that influenced my enjoyment. Most notably concerning Space Race and Heroes.
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Space Race: I expected a race with no rules to be more exciting. But it wasn't. Amanda Tapping seemed to be having fun and that made the episode fun to watch. But it wasn't as good as I expected.

Heroes: I knew I wasn't going to like this one but I did expect Janet's death to be done better. Janet died but the episode was made to be about Jack who was hardly in it. Not well done at all.

As expectations have only led to disappointment, I don't read spoilers anymore.

[Lil Naitch]

Space Race or Avenger, for reasons already stated.

[ecm101]

The Episode that dispionted me the most was Betweeen to Fires the last Tolan one

[jenniferhailey]

I loved Between Two Fires although I was very sad at the end.

Why couldn't they have done an Orpheus type storyline with Narim?? WHY?! :(

[Matt G]

Abyss was a little overhyped for my liking though thinking back it still had it's moments.

Can't put my finger on what went wrong with Avenger either. I was expecting The Other Guy's quality but somehow TPTB blew it.

[MAJKawalsky]

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Season seven sticks most in my mind for eps that failed.

Heroes (Part I) - Everyone, except Janet, was so out of character. I would have expected Hammond advised the President against the film project but once given his orders, he would have saluted and soldiered on, not obstructed the President's order at every turn. Teal'c is usually taciturn but not rude. I would have expected Sam to be cooler under fire (i.e. the camera). The only part I like was Lt. Col. Dave Dixon's treatise on child birth ("...You figure that four can't be any worse than three but by then you are so sleep deprived that you can't make a rational decision.") :)

Resurrection - They took the time to set up the whole Human/Gou'ald hybrid storyline, then she kills herself? I know that thought that they were ending the series but why waste the time and effort to develop the concept? :eek:

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[Bast]

Wormhole Extreme.

Pure crap!

[Dani347]

Wormhole Extreme.

Pure crap!

Sing it!

[Champos]

For me "Space Race".
I felt that it was just written to give the FX dept. something to do.

Nuff said.

I'll completely agree with you on that one. To me, Space Race felt like a classic DS9/Voyager episode, and I don't mean that in a good way. There were some good moments in it, but overall the idea of a space race seemed fairly unoriginal to me.

[Jprime]

The one that I was really looking forward to but which turned out to be pretty dire was Avenger. It sounded great - none of the gates working, lots of potential for offworld peril and drama, lots of angsting at the SGC, a simple concept that could be explained to the viewer with minimal technobabble.

Instead it was played for laughs, and it even failed at that. It was cringeworthy Felger-as-uberpillock interspersed with dreary technobabble.

It's not uncommon for me to watch an ep knowing that everyone will be alright in the end, but still on the edge of my seat trying to work out *how* they would get out of the current pickle. In Avenger they got into the dodgy situation with technobabble, and they got out of it with technobabble and a deus ex machina cargo ship.

Other eps that failed... There was nothing particularly awful about Proving Ground, but it wasn't a success for me cos I didn't care much about the recruits and there's no tension cos it's always clearly a drill.

Space Race was turned from a ho-hum, worse-than-average-but-hey-this-is-Stargate-so-still-enjoyable-enough episode into a very painful viewing experience by those ghastly announcers. They were pure cheese. And worse, if they are from an alien culture, how come they screamed 'American' with every fixed-grin-delivered line?

Grace failed for me because I was hoping for some deep insight into Sam's character, or maybe some thrilling Sam-in-peril stuff, or at least a decent who-are-the-aliens mystery. Instead, I got 'Sam isn't happy, she needs a man to be happy', and 'Sam thinks she'd give up the career that has been her life's focus if only Jack said the word'. Which kind of put the lid on the well-adjusted, secure, self-confident and happy person I'd always seen in Sam.

lol its a pretty creepy thought that a race that attains a certain level of technology (enough that spaceships are treated like cars) innevitably falls to american commercialization...(not that canada doesnt have its own share of infuriating commercials, like the canadian tire ones...GOD I HATE YOU BOBBY!). Id sure love to see Asgard tv... Theyre so advanced they probably have entire channels devoted to commercials, all run by a massive, super evolved company, a cross between Wolfram and Hart and IBM, run by Odin Gates.

[TheScorpionsSting]

I didn't know what you guys were talking about at first but now that I know it is truely the worst episode, I saw it a while ago and thought it was terrible but just didn't know the name of it. Every time I saw Wormhole X-treme (in syndication on FOX) I quickly changed the channel! What a painful episode. It was a pathetic attempt to be funny and just didn't work, I hated the knock off actors and hated the alien who created it (should have shot him instead of letting him get away to try something like that again). Ive seen other shows do something similar and it didn't then so what made the writters of SG-SG1 think they could pull it off?

P.S. - What the hell was Teal'c wearng...I'm sorry to say this but he looked like a Drag Queen, I could of sworn I saw "hot red" lipstik.

[TheScorpionsSting]

I have to admit I thought Avenger 2.0 was funny even though I'm not fond of the episodes with those geeky guys and feldger got on my nerves in that episode but I had something totally different in mind, I thought it was going to be a more serious episode about a new mechanical technology from the Asgard or something.

[tara3583]

Wormhole Extreme left me feeling more than a little "flat" for the 100 show i wanted to see the real SG1 not doubles of them!:(

[LoneStar1836]

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[Kliggins]

Sometimes we really look forward to an episode because the spoilers sounded so interesting. Sometimes we watch the first ten minutes and are thrilled with what we've seen so far because it looks really promising. But then the episode falls flat, leaves us disappointed and with an empty feeling. These are the episodes I want to talk about!



I guess the episode would be Grace. Reason why; I am not really sure. I am not even sure what I was expecting, but it wasn't there. Pretty definitive answer, huh? :eek:

[saraloui]

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I was quite dissapointed with Heroes Pt 1 although it was a good setup for part two which was much much more impresive. I just felt let down with the first part. I think if there hadnt been so much hype what with Janet's departure, the episodes especially the second half would have been more believable. The script had been written in order for the audience to believe perhaps O'neill was the one who had died (although would we have believed they had killed off his character?) even so we would have been wondering who had died. The fact that the fans knew before season seven even aired that Frasier would be killed off made the episode strange to watch given the storyline. The first half was dissapoting to say the least, the second was the one the hype surely was supposed to lean towards. I was dissapointed not too see a hint of Cassandra there or even more than one or two lines relating to her given the situation. I do ask what the whole point in getting rid of Frasier was?

[flynn1959]

Grace...w.t.f. was that about...Sam would give up everything if Jack said he loved her!!!!!What the hell happened to Sam circa season 1-3. I'm sorry but Jack is not that great a catch.The man is way too old for Sam.He is her C.O.
they should be friends not would be lovers.

For Gods sake let Sam be a soldier/teamate/friend.

The only ships on Stargate should be spaceships.

[VixyOwl (~~Ani)]

It's freaky how much my opinions parallel Madeleine_W's...those were my thoughts to the letter. On all 3 counts.

There's a conceit on Stargate, which generally works well, that alien cultures can have evolved similarly to Earth's in some ways, but not in others. That's how the show isolates issues from our culture(s) and explores them. Fair enough.

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But I quake at the thought that annoying sportscasters have even the the potential to be a universal constant.

I think in Space Race the sportscasters jarred so much because we were asked to accept the conceit at face-value in terms of the race, but then to approach the conceit ironically in the case of the sportscasters.



And Heroes 2, to me--well, trotting out flags, funerals, and babies is a tried-and-true heartstring-puller, and I admit that my heartrate rose. Even though I was aware of being manipulated, I have to admit that I *was* manipulated--the trick worked on me, and it doesn't always. So that's a mixed review, but I can't say the episode "failed," because I think it did what tptb wanted it to.

[memnarch]

Chimera all the way. I used to be fascinated by the myth of Chimera. Now I can't even think of the word without physically gagging. There I go, again. I have lost all respect for Damien Kindler, who wrote the final version of the episode (Robert Cooper came up with the Daniel storyline).

[zombie8]

The First Commandment was an episode that I never really liked.It was early in the first season and there was already a renegade sgc commander!And an ex-lover of Carters!That all seemed a little implausible(sp?) to me.
I also thought it was a little odd that Makepeace was a hero in the beginning of the 3rd season.And by the end of that same season he was a traitor.And that col.greaves was supposedly part of the offworld rogue nid that jack took down in "shades".Why didnt they just use "makepeace" or "nueman"?Did you notice that they filmed scenes of greaves and the other rogue agent and added them to the "previously on sg1" section of the opening of "The Sentinel",As if they were there?

[joshing123]

There are episodes that I didn't care for, didn't hold my interest etc., but the only episode that actually failed for me was Meridian. Not only was it was a terrible way to send off a main character but it was an even worse way to introduce a new main character! And by terrible in regards to Daniel's death I mean booooring. Long, drawn out, sappy & way to much Oma. There was no sense of danger before he got hurt, no excitement in the episode. It was just dull.

An episode that would have failed had it actually turned out to be the series finale was Full Circle. It was an okay episode, nothing special, but if the show had ended w/it I would have been ticked movie or not.

[Crazedwraith]

The First Commandment was an episode that I never really liked.It was early in the first season and there was already a renegade sgc commander!And an ex-lover of Carters!That all seemed a little implausible(sp?) to me.

Well its more likely the guy would go renegade earlier than later, I mean the first time some calls you a god must be the wrost, right?

Anyway, agree the fact he Carter's ex was a bit implauisble but like Sam says there was a reason she gave him the ring back.

[Misty]

I'm not particularly fond of "Nightwalkers". I dunno why. I just don't like it. :(

[MasterPower]

I was extremely disapointed with Grace. I didn't like the plot at all.
I was also disapointed that they killed off Daniel for a season.

[crimsontide101]

For me it was the first Stargate Atlantis, that i can think of first off. I looked forward to it for a long time and it was if they just thew everything together to get the sga team to atlantis instead of giving the fans all the juicy plot details... that is what i was hoping for. Ex. Atlantis is located in the pegasus galaxy and here is the long lost mystery cheveron out of no were , with out a explaination. Like that wasnt what SG1 were trying to do all last season. grrr

[VirtualCLD]

For me it was the first Stargate Atlantis, that i can think of first off. I looked forward to it for a long time and it was if they just thew everything together to get the sga team to atlantis instead of giving the fans all the juicy plot details... that is what i was hoping for. Ex. Atlantis is located in the pegasus galaxy and here is the long lost mystery cheveron out of no were , with out a explaination. Like that wasnt what SG1 were trying to do all last season. grrr
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I didn't think Rising was a downer, I loved it!!! I think you were expecting too much plot build-up from SG-1 which is exaclty what TPTB were trying to avoid. I really didn't care how Daniel got the last chevron, there are plenty of ways he could have gotten from the outpost.

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There are some eps that just didn't work overall--Revisions, for example, which had no tension or excitement and Sight Unseen--some that had no apparent point for me, some that annoyed me, like EM, and some I slept through, like The Curse.

However, the ep that failed most "spectacularly" for me, the one that failed most to live up to expectations, was SE. Which blew itself to pieces in the last ten minutes. As to why (before I give my reasons, as I understand this thread, it's for each of us to just say which ep was the worst in her/his opinion and why. It's not to discuss or argue the eps. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about SE and I would appreciate it if no one tried to change mine.):

There was a great ep going here. It had a tremendously difficult moral issue at its core, and a terrible moral dilemma. It really was a Coventry/enigma-type choice all over again: a choice between two evils. I was really enjoying the ep up to the last ten minutes, when they blew their own premise apart--and pulled one of the most overworked and least creative solutions to a problem.

Set up: both races need this world. Lotan, near the beginning, tells SG-1 that, once started, the process cannot be stopped. He does *not* qualify this in any way, nor does he give any indication that it is not absolute. The main problem is a time constraint: the Enkarans near the gate will not leave without the rest of their people who are too scattered to gather in time.

Everyone is aware of this set up: SG-1, the Enkarans and Lotan. OK, the ep continues on for 45 minutes, building on this. Then, in the last ten minutes, it all falls apart. Daniel's plan, which was to talk to Lotan, show him the Enkarans and convince him to leave, fails (after Daniel helps Lotan to destroy the bomb, the Enkarans only defense)--and we know it fails, because Lotan says, "This changes nothing". Suddenly, out of nowhere, we get told that Lotan can stop the process temporarily, *not* for 5 minutes or an hour--but long enough to gather all of the Enkarans together (which was the problem all along, wasn't it????), put them on a ship and take them to a whole new planet!

Excuse me?! Well, hey, why didn't you say that 40 minutes ago? The whole problem goes away, doesn't it? Lotan, despite knowing what the problem is, says nothing all along. Notice that none of the team--with all the "find me another option" stuff going on--asks Lotan to stop the process to allow them to gather the Enkarans. Why? Because they read the set-up the same way I did: the process can't be stopped at all, once started.

Either that, or we are to assume that everyone on SG-1 is an idiot, and too stupid to ask Lotan to stop the process temporarily. And that Lotan is too stupid to mention that point.

On top of that, we get the dreaded, overworked and lazy solution: the deus ex machina. In the last ten seconds before the Enkarans are destroyed, we suddenly find the Enkarans homeworld. Among 400 billion stars. How convenient. Well, better to be lucky than smart, right?

And this makes us ask why none of the team asked Lotan to check his computer records earlier. Except that we know why: there was no point in asking because, as far as anyone knew, the process couldn't be stopped. Which brings us back to the wrecked set-up.

The episode should have ended with one of the two species destroyed, as would have happened in reality with that kind of a situation. It should have forced the Coventry/enigma choice and gone with it. It wouldn't have been happy, but it would have been real and hard-hitting. And an episode not easily forgotten.

In fact, that's what was supposed to happen: the Gadmeer would have been destroyed. Part way through, they apparently decided to go for a happy ending--and ruined the episode. IMO, of course.


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[MartoufMarty]

um... i think a couple episodes did that for me. falling short that is. (Spoilers up with stuff up to Lockdown)

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i didn't like how they just wrapped up Lifeboat so quickly. they suddenly get the greatest idea ever and it works! so clean and simple. i think that could have been a great two parter. but nooo.... i don't like the five minute solutions. the episode was so great up until that point.

Lockdown... this episode was great... except for the ending. i would have just LOVED to see Anubis just waltz out of there no problemo... but Sam had to be able to change the dialing to some really cold planet and he gets frozen. bummer...

Enemy Mine was cool... for about the first 12 minutes when they were shooting all the Unas cause they were attacking... but no... they had to calm down, and have negociations. and instead of having little subtitles so we can know what the Unas were saying, we had to have Daniel repeat every single word. at that point of the episode i was yelling saying, 'JUST SHOOT ALL THE UNAS AND GET IT OVER WITH!' they obviously fell a little short there.

Legacy...not that there is anything wrong with the episode, i couldn't honestly care less about what happened after Daniel got 'un-crazy'.

not an episode, but a storyline: Daniel in Season five when he left... though what they did now seems kind of cool, i still would have loved to have seen Daniel somehow become a host and be the ULTIMATE ENEMY. i know it sounds kind of cheesy (maybe) but i thought that would be cool. i was just a little disappointed by what actually happened.

now, there are probably a half a dozen more episodes i could knock at,, but it's about 1 in the morning. i should sleep.

[Sicarius]

Red Sky, way cop out ending.

[joshing123]

I mentioned on the episode thread that I though Icon deservered to be in this thread, so... here it is!

I think the story could have had a lot of potential, but they just didn't have the time to really make us feel (or care) about what was going on.

[yaaayoubetcha]

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After all this time, making contact, of some sort, and busting out the big ship to go stomp the baddies.....and in both cases, neither really happened....a trip to a distant part of the galaxy just to come home? And, as i've said in previous posts, Prometheus was somewhat disappointing for me, in its first live fire encounter.....

There was great possibilities for alien interaction or a really good battle, but all we ended up with was zombie jack and ramming speed.....

[mcdonis]

I mentioned on the episode thread that I though Icon deservered to be in this thread, so... here it is!

I think the story could have had a lot of potential, but they just didn't have the time to really make us feel (or care) about what was going on.

I completly agree

This episode could have been so much more. Instead it seemed like they couldnt decide if they wanted to make this a daniel love interest episode or another false god episode.

And lets not forget the whole rocket attack thing. If it wasnt nukes than what the heck were they using. Totaly lame

And for whatever reason I just cant handle carter in charge of a 3 man team. Cant they just give SG-1 someone........ please.

[Ancient 1]

Recently Resurrection and Enemy Mine were disappointing. Although I didn't expect to like Enemy Mine (I dont enjoy the Unas stories) I was very surprised that I didn't like Resurrection. Perhaps I had to high expectations but that episode really 'failed' for me.

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Enemy Mine. The teaser should have said, "If you've seen the movie; don't bother with this episode.."

[jonno]

Avenger. I had intented to keep that whole season on tape ... unfortunately i didn't enoy it, and taped over it with the next episode straight away. Therfore, the biggest failure, because its the one episode i decided not to keep for repeat viewings.