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**ShadeAngel** · 11 May 2005, 04:39 PM

Okay, new to the discussion. New to the board, in fact. Sorry if I'm just reapeating anything anything, but I've just basically read the last few pages and that's about it.

I've been watching the series on and off for the past five years up until about last year when I became obsessed. It had always been the J/D bits that drew me towards to show, even before I discovered slash. I think it was rewatching season two episodes that got me into the fandom and I really miss the good old days. Their friendship has been pushed onto the back burner, leaving a lot of things unresolved. Season Seven was a bit of disappointment, but Eight was definitely worse, though I haven't quite reached the end of it.

Fragile Balance was my biggest disappointment. It had the potential to be a great J/D episode, but I don't think Daniel and Jack really talk to each other at all. For instance, during the scene Sam and Teal'c are teasing mini-Jack in the comissary, Daniel is nowhere to be found. Or when they find mini-Jack fishing Daniel pushes off the responsibilty of explaining the fact he's a clone off on Sam. Where is Daniel during all of this? It seems like he'd be the first to want to poke fun at Jack's age. The only saving grace is the one part where Jack catches Daniel in his underwear drawer.

**Beta Candy** · 11 May 2005, 11:32 PM

When I look at how the actors play it (overall), I think Jack and Daniel are as close as ever. It's the writing and editing that causes the doubts - what they will and won't show, what they cut out. And while I totally buy that they're so close they don't have to express it in words or gestures, that closeness still needs to be expressed to the audience. We're not in their heads, unless you get the camera to take us there (and that IS possible).

The current staff doesn't get it. People complained about a lack of concern in Evolution, so in S8, Jack dangles precariously over the Cliffs of Insanity every time Daniel's missing. These writers seem to think their mistake in Evolution was the lack of a scene with Jack ripping his hair out from worry over Daniel. Unfortunately, that's not it at all.

What Evolution needed was one simple thing: in every scene after Jack finds out Daniel's been kidnapped and he's going after him, Jack needed to be in a hurry, or at least antsy. The scene with Carter would have played very differently if he'd been fidgety and antsy, instead of them playing the scene at the pace of a chess game. And Jack never should have stopped walking in the forest to chat with Burke. If Burke tried to stop him, he should have pushed on, kept moving ever closer to Daniel while he listened and responded to Burke. I really think that one simple thing - keeping Jack antsy and in a rush - would have conveyed that he had little room in his mind for anything but Daniel.

Little subtle things like that distinguish good filmmaking from adequate filmmaking. Unfortunately, we're dealing with writers who write in neon lights. They think if they overcompensate for their screwups, we'll forgive them. But overcompensation can be as unsatisfying as undercompensation.

Stargate answers the question of exactly what great actors can do with bad scripts - quite a lot, it turns out, or this show would have been cancelled in the fourth season. But as amazed as I am by what the cast continues to deliver, I find myself resenting more and more everything that gets in their way.

**Switch42** · 22 August 2005, 02:27 PM

So, over in the Daniel thunk thread there has recently been some discussion as to the nature of Jack and Daniel's relationship. I thought it would be nice to have a place where we could all come and discuss the more, um, uncommon side of things *cough*SLASH*cough*.

So, if you are a Jack/Daniel slasher, please feel free to share your thoughts and feelings here. I just ask that we try to keep this as PG as possible sticking to the general forum rules.

IF YOU ARE NOT A SLASHER, please do not make any rude comments to those of us here. I know this is a touchy subject, but I know there are a lot of us out there. So, please let's just try and keep this as respectful as possible.

So, what got you started on the Jack/Daniel band wagon? Was it an episode? Fanfic? Lots of little things all piling up into one?

Let's get sharing!

Kerri

**discodiva** · 23 August 2005, 01:30 AM

I saw the word on another forum and with my insatiable appetite for "Googling" quickly discovered "that" Diary and THING!...

I'm a sucker for humour and I swear I was engrossed for 3 days....I laughed so hard I did actually fall off my chair during the "not-monkey" incident and I still giggle uncontrollably when it pops back into my mind!...

Dee Dee xx

**Switch42** · 23 August 2005, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by discodiva

I saw the word on another forum and with my insatiable appetite for "Googling" quickly discovered "that" Diary and THING!...

I'm a sucker for humour and I swear I was engrossed for 3 days....I laughed so hard I did actually fall off my chair during the "not-monkey" incident and I still giggle uncontrollably when it pops back into my mind!...

Dee Dee xx

THING!! Not-Monkey! OMG. I LOVE that story. It's sooooooooooo funny. You HAVE to read Scratch at the same site if you haven't yet. So great. All her stories are great, really.

Kerri

**Willow'sCat** · 23 August 2005, 04:58 AM

Ooh you got merged!

Hmm, hope the other guys aren't offend by the slash!

Well I love Jack, I love Danny and yes I love them loving each other.

I really love wimpy Danny loving Jack.

Can I post a pic? Hmm, not now 'cause it is like 11pm here! Later tomorrow. Are pics O.K?

**blingaway** · 23 August 2005, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by Drwho'srose

Ooh you got merged!

Hmm, hope the other guys aren't offend by the slash!

Well I love Jack, I love Danny and yes I love them loving each other.

I really love wimpy Danny loving Jack.

Can I post a pic? Hmm, not now 'cause it is like 11pm here! Later tomorrow. Are pics O.K?