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GateWorld
April 14th, 2006, 12:25 PM
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<FONT SIZE=4><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s2/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">THE IMPOSSIBLE PLANET</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 2808</FONT>
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The Doctor and Rose visit a research base on the surface of planet held in orbit of a black hole, and are stranded with the researchers when the TARDIS is lost.

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The Signal
June 3rd, 2006, 11:02 AM
Absolutely fantastic, the story and the writting were spot on. TTOby (thanks Tracy Jane:)) was one of the better villains recently, reminded me of Khalek from SG1's "Prototype". Acting was good as always form BP and DT, but the supporting cast were truly fantastic this time around. Most interesting of all was the music, the slow pieces played in the darker scenes, Scottie's death scene for example, reminded me of the music of Firefly. The only let down was the slightly dull Ood. 9/10

Cant wait for next week.

Tracy Jane
June 3rd, 2006, 11:08 AM
The Ood were a little predictable, unfortunately, you knew from the outset that they were going to be problematic. But a really interesting storyline, I swear this series is getting better episode by episode. Toby was very good, I agree. The discovery over Scootie's death was done awesomely and I can't wait until next week. I was slightly uncomfortable with a couple of the scenes which, despite the taboo surrounding doctor/companion shipping, seemed a little overtly shippy to me.

BC - 303
June 3rd, 2006, 11:13 AM
this is the first totaly totaly un earthy episode in the new series, if you think New earth doesnt count.

in circles
June 3rd, 2006, 11:28 AM
That was awesome. Reminded me a lot of Doom and the Oods eyes glowing red was a bit 'Robots of Death'. The scenes in the cave looked fantastic. I spent most of the episode trying to work out where I'd seen all the crew members before, they were all annoyingly familiar.

Flyboy
June 3rd, 2006, 11:43 AM
Well I'm loving this ep.

Great religious theme, with a *really* daunting enemy. It felt a little bit Stargate to me, anyone else get a stargate feel? Just a tad? Maybe? Anyone? Kay... Ill shut up. But seriously, not only the archeologist and all the runes and what not, but the idea of mixing religious figures and space and stuff... I kept thinking AH! So THAT'S where Sokar has been hiding!

Love the Ood and the references to legion and Cthulu btw.

NO TORCHWOOD REFERENCE *is happy*

I loved the dynamic between the crew, it felt like a real research station in the middle of nowhere. Kinda "Aliens"ish.

The opening of the (seventh?) seal was great too :-D

DanielFullard
June 3rd, 2006, 11:52 AM
Wow.....just let me compose myslef for a moment.......I can't believe what I have just seen.

Bloody fantastic! This episode had everything. Tension, Drama, Frights, Emotion.
Very Very Sc

Part of me can't believe what I have just seen. As a massive Who fan, back in the dark days of the 90's and early 00's, an episode like this being back on the BBC seemed impossible. In fact, anything this sci-fi being not only on the BBC, but made by the BBC and being put out a 7pm on a Saturday is glorious. Definetly the most sci-fi Who has been since its return, with clear influences from American Sci-Fi shows of the past 5-10 years. Amazing

Did anyone else think it felt a bit like an Episode of SG:Atlantis?

In summary then, aboslutely superb. One of the best, most tense, most dramatic and most chilling episodes maybe of all time (Im trying not to go OTT in the heat of the moment but what do you expect after that piece of gold)

Ill add some more comments later but Ive got that post-Who buzz at the moment and all I can seem to do is run off superlatives

Tracy Jane
June 3rd, 2006, 12:04 PM
I think that's what I loved most about it, it had a real sci-fi feel to it, unlike a lot of episodes where you think "oh, cripes, British TV have massacred a really great idea". I don't mean any offence to Who, it's just that the resources and funding in the British TV industry are definitely lacking. Generally speaking, episodes fall flat in comparison to their American and Canadian counterparts, not because of writing, but because of the budgets not allowing for the necessary visual effects and so on. Tonight, however, I was floored, I was really pleased to see the BBC putting our TV License money to good use for once!

beale947
June 3rd, 2006, 02:36 PM
THis was a Brilliant Episode. Definatly feels like a doctor who episode, and they cut the episode off at a cruel point :P . The effects were brilliant, and the Idea of the episode its great, a black hole, no help from the tardis, and now also possibly 'satan and his cronieys'. I wonder how the doctor will get out of this one???

10/10, A brilliant epsiode:D Enjoyable from start to last. The speical effects were brilliant

Matt G
June 3rd, 2006, 02:43 PM
OK...

1. Not sure how they're going to get the TARDIS back(though you know they will).

2. Some got reminded of Gate...I got reminded more of Event Horizion.

3. Never too comfortable when things get shippy.

Overall hmmm...not sure about this ep. Will judge it again after the second part next week.

Darkstar
June 3rd, 2006, 03:45 PM
Oh what a different feel than any of the previous Dr Who episodes this season, all I can say is that it feels more sci fi than fantasy, the idea of being stuck in the middle of nowhere was the selling point for this, in last episodes the Dr and Rose remained behind to help others but now they are out to help themselves and get back home, somehow I can't seem to shake the fact that the Tardis has something to do with the whole thing.

>Science station idea was great, a real gritty feel and quite a la Alien feel to it which was intentional of course.
>The Ood were predictible and aside from the many puns that came in the episode the Ood were odd in a way that the episode could have survived without them and they play a role that is somewhat shrouded in mystery and for me seems pointless.
> Danger is what the episode is all about, the peril was cool and the undeground scenes (filmed in a quarry at nigh) were believable to the point that it made the scenes down there feel immense for such a TV show.

So I'll just end by saying I hope the follow up is just as good if not better and it's handled with care and is believable in terms of the demon! :D

Flyboy
June 3rd, 2006, 04:55 PM
Gravel Quarrys!!!! A Classic Who fan's dream! :D

I think the ood are very required theyre forming the Army of Satan, and definitely have some Lovecraft conetations.

Finally... Rose is getting SO annoying I really would like her to die.

As for Dt... cool space suit.

yaaayoubetcha
June 3rd, 2006, 07:46 PM
Best ep recently!

Now my 2nd fave of the season behind Reunion.

The Ood were telegraphed a bit, yes. I mean hey, you can never trust a group of people that say they're there only to serve...haven't these folks seen any horror movies?

The one moment of inappropriate laughter was right at the start...'we must feed...we must feed...' I immedidately shouted out "It's a cookbook! How to cook humans!!!"

I loved that it was a completely non-terrestrial ep. That was desperately needed to bring a bit more of the galactic nature of the Doctor to the show.

It was great build up and I really lost track of the time. As the seal was opening and the credits ran I was completely shocked to realize 45 mins had gone by and it was going to be a 2 parter.

Impatience!!!!

The scene with Toby and the Voice was just awesome! Real old time 'Prince of Darkness' cool.

Loved the ep. The only real problem I had was with the dialogue provided for Rose. Sometimes the write her to be intelligent and quick to grasp the obvious but when storage 6 was destroyed, she was written to not have a clue despite the obviously dire situation!!! Balance her character's intelligence please!

definately :sam: :sam: :sam: :sam: out of :sam: :sam: :sam: :sam: :sam:

IMForeman
June 3rd, 2006, 08:24 PM
This ep was 10 shades of awesome. Some seriously great stuff going on here. An interesting story, some great character moments, some awesome (very Firefly-esque) music, tons of atmosphere, and a fantastic cliffhanger. It even uses the ever effective Gabriel Woolf (voice of Sutehk from "Pyramids of Mars") as the voice of The Beast.

One complaint, though: THE KILLED SCOOTI!!!! Damn them!

Madeleine
June 3rd, 2006, 10:09 PM
The scale of the underground cavern was incredible. It looked good too, there was a real dilapidated beauty to it. The research station sets were really realistic-looking.

Story good so far. I've high hopes for next week.

I liked the Ood. They look properly alien, and that speaking ball they hold is a neat touch. I didn't mind that it was totally predictable that as biddable willing slaves they'd inevitably turn dangerous. I was watching with my five-year-old and it's good for him to learn these things for himself, just like he has to learn about not saying "no turning back" or "nothing could possibly go wrong now" :)

Great acting from the additionals, especially the archaeologist. I loved it just before he got the writing on him, the terror was palpable. I liked Zak too, he's losing control of the situation in exactly the same way as any fully qualified and experienced captain would (there's surely no What To Do If The Beast Rises And Becomes Legion On An Impossible Planet page in the captains' handbook) but he thinks he's losing it because of his own inexperience, and it makes me want to hug him and tell him he's great just like the Doctor did.

Best of all, IT WASN'T ON EARTH. Second best of all, IT WASN'T IN ORBIT AROUND EARTH EITHER. And third best, NOR WAS IT IN ANY OTHER PART OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM.
:D

Easter Lily
June 3rd, 2006, 11:00 PM
Ah... terrific episode... THIS is why I continue to watch Dr Who... I hang out for episodes like this. A good mix of intrigue, creepiness and interplanetary gallivanting. The best one since Tooth and Claw IMHO... While it was off to a slow start, it picked up when young Tobias started hearing sweet nothings in his ear.
Storytelling was in fine form here... a marked improvement from last week's hodge podge effort. It doesn't bother me much that it appears derivative... a dash of Pyramids, Event Horizon, Aliens and even a homage to LOTR... It was Kha'zadum and the Balrog all over again.

The story was so good that I groaned in disbelief when the credits started rolling and realised that it's a jolly two-parter. And we haven't really seen monster of the week in all his glory yet.

Willow'sCat
June 4th, 2006, 12:55 AM
I loved this episode, and really glad it is a two parter! :D

This is what it should all be about, real interaction with others, peril that is believable. And oh no! No T.A.R.D.I.S!!! *again* :P

The Ood are great! I love that name, I haven't read anyone else's posts didn't want to be spoiled... but did anyone else think Firefly? I got a Firefly vibe from the music, I really like the music. ;)

Roll on next week.

cvife
June 4th, 2006, 01:39 AM
Well I'm loving this ep.
Great religious theme, with a *really* daunting enemy. It felt a little bit Stargate to me, anyone else get a stargate feel? Just a tad? Maybe? Anyone? Kay... Ill shut up. But seriously, not only the archeologist and all the runes and what not, but the idea of mixing religious figures and space and stuff... I kept thinking AH! So THAT'S where Sokar has been hiding!


i agree, it was quite stargate like, did anyone else notice the P90s the guards where carrying around, almost makes me think that the production team where paying a small amount of homage to it (or mabye that's just me). i think the Ood are going to become very cool next week, and hopfully we'll get to see this "demon" although it could be an interesting touch to have him/it as just a disembodied voice commanding it's minions. i think that the episode also reminded me of the background of warhammer 40000, combining sci-fi with fantasy, even down to the dark god type thing, the set design, interesting combination, stargate and warhammer, now theres an idea...

Scoobing
June 4th, 2006, 05:11 AM
I know there was no Torchwood reference, but think about WHAT scientific group the research time might belong to.... :)

Of course there doesn't have to be a reference every ep, but I have a suspicion this might be the case.

Flyboy
June 4th, 2006, 06:05 AM
Rose is a plot device. Simple as. I'm amazed that Piper is happy about the stupid "Camilla" esque comments shes been making since Girl In The Fireplace. It's a dumb explanation followed by a goofy expression, and I'm REALLY hating the shippiness. Ive seen an icon actually with DT on it saying "Dear Diary, am questioning my own sexuality..... I think I may have one" I do love that.

In any case, other than stupid Rose. One of the bets eps EVER. Including Classic Who, and that says soemthing. For me it ranks up there along side School Reuinion, Tooth & Claw, Dalek, Parting of The Ways, Genesis of The Daleks, City of Death, Robots of Death and the Movie.

Metarock Sam
June 4th, 2006, 11:13 AM
OMFG This Ep was so amazing !!!!!!!!!!
It had everything that Doctor Who should have and the production team have given us such lush Scenes that we know what they can do definatly.
The Ood were realy predicatable but did give a good Laugh
'We Must Feed....You I was totally ROFL at that point. I think they are going to follow the beleif that the reason why they make themselves slaves is to be an army for 'the beast' voiced by the fellow who voiced the chilling Sutekh the Destroyer from Pyramids of Mars (one of the most classic of all classic episodes).
Nice Doctor and Rose Dynamic not as cheesy as last episode but you can tell how much they care about each other. And their freindship was tested more with another the TARDIS is lost moment.
One question how many times is the TARDIS going to get lost and/or die this season it is starting to get repetitive.
A great use of non - main characters really fleshing out like Toby and so on.
The Little Lord of the Rings moment was cool too when they foudn that temple.
Roll on Next week !!!!!

Matt G
June 4th, 2006, 01:59 PM
I know there was no Torchwood reference, but think about WHAT scientific group the research time might belong to.... :)

Of course there doesn't have to be a reference every ep, but I have a suspicion this might be the case.

Hmmm...there was a reference to "The Empire" and I do know that an "Earth Empire" has been mentioned so that probably solves who the science team is working for. Whether Torchwood is still around at this point in history I'm not sure.

dipsofjazz
June 4th, 2006, 02:42 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode.
I agree with others that this had a Stargate feel to it.
It's great to be away from Earth.
I loved the look of the space station, and seeing the cavern was just a 'wow' moment for me. I just loved the whole look of this episode.
Rose was a bit annoying again, and I'm not sure I like all the 'shippy' implications between her and the Doctor.
The other characters were great, and I felt I got to know them in a very short time.
The Ood were a bit cheesy, but they look good and I love the talking devices they use.
I think the fact we haven't really seen the demon is good, and helps to keep the tension up.

I'm really looking forward to next week.

uknesvuinng
June 4th, 2006, 05:38 PM
Good episode, but was I the only one practically screaming at the security guy to actually use that gun he was brandishing when Evil Toby started raising his arms?

LoneStar1836
June 4th, 2006, 07:58 PM
Good episode, but was I the only one practically screaming at the security guy to actually use that gun he was brandishing when Evil Toby started raising his arms?No you weren’t. I was like shoot that P90 already. :D Though not so much at poor Toby but more so when the Ood were cornering them there at the very end before it so cruelly cut to “to be continued”.

Man I hated to see that “to be continued” pop up. This was a great episode, and I’ll have no way to see the conclusion for quite some time. :(

So far I’ve only seen 3 eps with DT as the Doctor but I’m really loving him. Though he wasn’t quite featured much in this one, but the secondary actors were good, especially that guy that played Toby. That scene in his quarters was down right scary, and he played it so well.

ShadowMaat
June 5th, 2006, 03:46 AM
Verry interesting ep. Could have done without the shippiness (the whole house discussion made me cringe) but I liked the rest.

I'm not as disappointed with the Ood as most seem to be. Sure, they're a bit predictible- so far- but I think they have a larger role to play than just as Legion. In fact, my first thought when the crew was describing them was, "Aha! So they're the ones who put the writing on the walls!" I'm probably entirely wrong about that, but if all they are is a biddable horde, I'll be very disappointed. I wanna see how they rise up (if you'll pardon a belated Discworld reference).

The only Stargate vibe I got off this ep was when Toby was in the corridor calling for "Daniel!" All the little "Danny"s before that went right over my head. I thought, "HA! An archaeologist who isn't named Daniel!" and then went on with watching. I knew Toby was in trouble as soon as they introduced him just 'cause he was the cutest one of the lot. *sigh*

There was an Alien sort of feel to it, but once they lit up that cavern, it was all Lovecraft and I was sure they were going to wake up Cthulhu. *shiver*

As for how they're going to get the TARDIS back... can anyone say, "Deal with the devil"? ;)

Shooting Toby wouldn't have done any good, It would just have moved to a new host and all you'd have for your troubles is a dead Toby. :(

popseeka
June 5th, 2006, 04:01 AM
Gee, in my opinion, this was one of the best (ok, THE BEST!) DR. Who episodes.

Like someone said - the reference to Legion (King or religion) and H.P Lovecraft was (hell, even the tentacled Ood look like Chtulu:) ) .. um, very satisfying.

The acting (from the main villain) was great and omnious, it made a good package along with the thrilling music.

And let us not forget:

For how can man die better then facing fearful odds. For the ashes of his fathers and the temples of his Gods? Thomas Babington Macaulay (His writtings on Rome)

One more thing - I think (it`s a bit obscure sure) there was a bit of a homage to B5 (the Jefferson guy - Chief of Security very much reminded me of Garibaldi) - maybe it`s just a coinsidence.

BC - 303
June 5th, 2006, 04:24 AM
one critisim of this episode, is that they couldnt afford bullets, there was no firing at all, just waving the gun (p-90) around.
but it was good, it does seem like the only reason they have 2 parters is that the doctor cannot escape in the Tardis. The age of steel the tardis was out of power, now its down a massive pit.

yaaayoubetcha
June 5th, 2006, 05:06 AM
One more thing - I think (it`s a bit obscure sure) there was a bit of a homage to B5 (the Jefferson guy - Chief of Security very much reminded me of Garibaldi) - maybe it`s just a coinsidence.


Physically he reminded me of Bill Nighy, which, really, is neither here nor there. Just who he reminded me of.

Flyboy
June 5th, 2006, 05:35 AM
one critisim of this episode, is that they couldnt afford bullets, there was no firing at all, just waving the gun (p-90) around.
but it was good, it does seem like the only reason they have 2 parters is that the doctor cannot escape in the Tardis. The age of steel the tardis was out of power, now its down a massive pit.
Oh come on, I'm sure the Beeb COULD afford bullets, but they didn't want to turn it into a shoot em up episode. I mean, really. How many times is there a fire fight in SG1? ANd how many times is it boring as hell. Bang Bang Bang, Zat Zat Zat, Bang Bang Bang. Its dull. The BBC focus more on plot and character, and hell... actual acting.

IMForeman
June 5th, 2006, 07:12 AM
They only didn't fire to build up the cliffhanger. I am glad to see they moved to P90's, though. As the directors of Stargate found years ago, the downward ejection of the shells opens up tons more possibilities in blocking the scene.

uknesvuinng
June 5th, 2006, 08:15 AM
one critisim of this episode, is that they couldnt afford bullets, there was no firing at all, just waving the gun (p-90) around.

Judging from the preview for next week, I doubt that's the case.

pbellosom
June 5th, 2006, 10:06 AM
I loved this episode, definately one of my favorities. Like everyone else I got a Firefly vibe from the music and I did think the whole thing with Satan was very Stargatey. The only thing that I didn't like was the evil laughter at the ned, it seemed a bit cheesy to me.

Am I the only one who thinks that with that amount of suspense leading up to what is in the pit, whatever in there will just feel anticlimatic, especially if it looks like the alien who appeared on the screen earlier in the episode.

beale947
June 5th, 2006, 01:44 PM
Possibley, but i hope not.

Darkseid
June 5th, 2006, 01:52 PM
[mod snip] let me chime in with my thoughts;

This was probably the best episode I've seen of the new series. It is smarter and better acted then that terrible Cyberman episode (Delete!!), and the ending made me scream for more! I just wanted to seen Satan himself after that tease we got in the hollographic projector thingy.

A couple of things;

1) Ok, destroy the sonic screwdriver already. The Doctor points that thing at anything that looks hostial. Enough is enough.

2) How is it an Earthquake when they are not on Earth?

3) Why did they have to kill off the hot looking girl first? Man, that really gets my goat!

4) Is it me, or does Zach look like 5 time, 5 time, 5 time, 5 time, 5 time WCW World Champion Booker T? (CAN WE DRILL THAT??! SUUUUCCKKKKKAAAA!!)

5) That quick shot of Satan in that holographic machine was a hell of a tease. Made me really want more!

6) "BEAUTIFUL!" Was wondering how they were going to work that in...

7) The plot reminds me of that Exorcist prequal that Renny Harlan made a couple of years back where they find that church burried in the sand and it was put there to keep Satan from coming out. The story is rather simular. I don't think however that the Doctor will yell, "The power of Christ commands you!"

8) Very happy there were no Torchwood referances. They are starting to become a bit overstated.

9) The Doctor gets a mortgage? Now there's a sitcom I wouldn't mind seeing!

10) The Oood are really cool. Wouldn't mind seeing them in future episodes.

11) I never thought that a guy with wierd, fake looking sharpy writing on him could look so scary. Good job with him, and the actor for making it convincing.


All in all, I was very happy to be a Who fan with this one. Good to see some old fashioned Doctor Who monsters in an episode! No school like the Old School!

IMForeman
June 5th, 2006, 01:58 PM
4) Is it me, or does Zach look like 5 time, 5 time, 5 time, 5 time, 5 time WCW World Champion Booker T? (CAN WE DRILL THAT??! SUUUUCCKKKKKAAAA!!)


I thought he looked like Rocco from Casanova... oh, wait... he WAS Rocco from Casanova. :)

ShadowMaat
June 5th, 2006, 02:25 PM
"earth" is a generic term meaning "ground". Thus, "earthquake" can be applied to any planet/planetlike object that has a surface.

The team said the planet didn't have a name (or not one they used) so it's a bit hard to have an "unnamed planetquake" and it's too much of a mouthful.

If the team is from Earth, then knowing Earthlings they'd be inclined to say that any groundshake was an earthquake by simple default: it's the term they're most used to.

You also have to make some concessions for the audience. "Earthquake" is the term they're most likely to know, too, and it's immediately identifiable.

But does any of that REALLY matter? ;)

The music- Ravel's Bolero, anyway- actually reminded me of 2001: A Space Odyssey. But I haven't seen Firefly. *shrug*

IMForeman
June 5th, 2006, 02:52 PM
"earth" is a generic term meaning "ground". Thus, "earthquake" can be applied to any planet/planetlike object that has a surface.

The team said the planet didn't have a name (or not one they used) so it's a bit hard to have an "unnamed planetquake" and it's too much of a mouthful.

If the team is from Earth, then knowing Earthlings they'd be inclined to say that any groundshake was an earthquake by simple default: it's the term they're most used to.

You also have to make some concessions for the audience. "Earthquake" is the term they're most likely to know, too, and it's immediately identifiable.

But does any of that REALLY matter? ;)

The music- Ravel's Bolero, anyway- actually reminded me of 2001: A Space Odyssey. But I haven't seen Firefly. *shrug*


I think for any male my age, Ravel's Bolero will always bring "10" to mind. Many a young man stared at Bo Derek in the ads for that film.

Darkseid
June 5th, 2006, 07:46 PM
From Dictionary.com


earth·quake ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ûrthkwk)
n.
A sudden movement of the earth's crust caused by the release of stress accumulated along geologic faults or by volcanic activity. Also called seism, temblor.

ShadowMaat
June 5th, 2006, 08:23 PM
If you want to be obnoxious about it, fine. I'm not going to waste my time continuing an asinine, meaningless argument over semantics.

The ep was good. Gave me some unsettling and fortunately unremembered dreams. ;) It's gonna be a long wait for the conclusion. *sigh*

I still say there has to be more to the Ood than just being the puppets of the Beast in the Pit.

D'you think the planet falling into the black hole is meant to be some kind of failsafe in case the Beast escapes? Like... he might get out of the pit, but he's still gonna get sucked into an even more inescapable pit? ;) The Doctor did say that while some black holes open onto something else, this one didn't.

Darkseid
June 5th, 2006, 11:05 PM
If you want to be obnoxious about it, fine. I'm not going to waste my time continuing an asinine, meaningless argument over semantics.

I am the King of Obnoxiousness. Ask my wife. Ask my ex-wife...



The ep was good.

Yes, for the first time all the people who gush and jump up and down over every new episode of Who, call it 'Fantastic' when clearly it wasn't, were actually right about this episode. I actually felt for the first time I was watching an episode of what could have been classic Who.



D'you think the planet falling into the black hole is meant to be some kind of failsafe in case the Beast escapes? Like... he might get out of the pit, but he's still gonna get sucked into an even more inescapable pit?

That's the best specuation I have heard anyone say on three Doctor Who message boards that I post on. Although, this black hole did at one point swallow the planet and then 'spit it out' if you belive the local legend. I have a feeling that the beast will somehow end up in the blackhole since we know it leads no ware.....and maybe we will see it again in the future if the beast is powerful enough...

Willow'sCat
June 6th, 2006, 01:40 AM
Hmm, anyway... :cool:


The music- Ravel's Bolero, anyway- actually reminded me of 2001: A Space Odyssey. But I haven't seen Firefly. *shrug*I just thought some of the incidental music was Firefly-ish, like when the girl *who actually reminded me of Kaylee* got sucked towards the black hole. Then again it is probably all just a coincidence. :S

ShadowMaat
June 6th, 2006, 03:53 AM
I just thought some of the incidental music was Firefly-ish, like when the girl *who actually reminded me of Kaylee* got sucked towards the black hole. Then again it is probably all just a coincidence. :S
*shrug* Dunno, you aren't the only one who got Firefly vibes, but since I've never seen the show (except for a few bits and pieces) I can't exactly recognize it in other places, can I? ;) Sometimes I think I should get the DVDs and watch the show, but then I remember that I've already seen enough to know it isn't my kinda thing. Ah well.

I do like Who, so I'm not totally hopeless. ;)

Tracy Jane
June 6th, 2006, 03:58 AM
Whoever said that the guy looked like Bill Nighy was spot on. I saw the trailer and was whooting because I was expecting an all star cast.

As for Bolero, all I can think of is figure skaters.

Nuallain
June 6th, 2006, 05:27 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that with that amount of suspense leading up to what is in the pit, whatever in there will just feel anticlimatic, especially if it looks like the alien who appeared on the screen earlier in the episode.

Don't look if you don't want to know:

www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho

also:

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/i77/tomt25/Image1.jpg

(note the scale on that last one)


And the comments on production values don't sound right to me. A lot more money is spent on DW than US SF series and it *shows*. I can't understand how anyone would think the production values on something like SG-1 were better.

beale947
June 6th, 2006, 07:56 AM
all i can say is OH F***

He looks cool though:D, *wonders how the doctor will win.....*

Flyboy
June 6th, 2006, 08:45 AM
Still might not be what's in the Pit... could just be an illussion.

uknesvuinng
June 6th, 2006, 09:21 AM
Ok, on this, the 6th day of the 6th month of the 6th year of this millenium, I noticed this...

Note the views.

(Stretchy Image)
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/2832/evilepisode7uh.jpg

Scoobing
June 6th, 2006, 10:36 AM
Spooky.

Metarock Sam
June 6th, 2006, 12:00 PM
whooooooooa thats freakky !!!!!

The Signal
June 6th, 2006, 12:21 PM
God help us if theres someone with 666 posts wandering the forum at the moment :S

Darkseid
June 6th, 2006, 12:33 PM
God help us if theres someone with 666 posts wandering the forum at the moment :S


I was actually thinking it was funny how these two parters happen to be airing across this date. Methinks it's more then a coincidence....

Flyboy
June 6th, 2006, 01:08 PM
Ooooo I'm the devil! :-D

Darkseid
June 6th, 2006, 04:23 PM
Ooooo I'm the devil! :-D


Really? Wow, and here I thought my ex-wife's divorce lawyer was!!

Flyboy
June 6th, 2006, 04:24 PM
Hey Hey, does anyone know how to do that whole... name adding up to a number thing!? I wonder if my name adds up to 666! :-D

Darkstar
June 7th, 2006, 05:42 AM
What i didn't get in the episode was that did the Tardis fall into the planet, deep down into the core where the evil lies, or did it fly off into space???

Maybe the inside or the essence as you will will look inside the devil and cure it of evil??
Oh and yes i did think for a moment it was bill nighy, i had to look agin for a second time to make sure lol :D

DigiFluid
June 7th, 2006, 06:14 AM
Wow, the only way that episode could have been any more Doom 3 inspired would have been to include an unnamed space marine.

The lighting, the decor, the sets, the unleashing hell factor, it was all there. Hell, they even used the door open/close sound effect from classic Doom several times in this episode.

Even with all of that aside, A+ episode. I get more and more of a crush on Billie Piper every week :D

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
June 7th, 2006, 05:07 PM
very interesting episode. it was cool to see the p-90 in an episode of doctor who. can't wait for next week's episode.

Fatewarns
June 10th, 2006, 02:15 PM
wow that was scary, man:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Wraith Scientist
June 21st, 2006, 11:42 AM
I know there was no Torchwood reference, but think about WHAT scientific group the research time might belong to.... :)

Of course there doesn't have to be a reference every ep, but I have a suspicion this might be the case.

Wow. Pretty accurate prediction there ;)


D'you think the planet falling into the black hole is meant to be some kind of failsafe in case the Beast escapes? Like... he might get out of the pit, but he's still gonna get sucked into an even more inescapable pit? ;) The Doctor did say that while some black holes open onto something else, this one didn't.

And you're right about that too ;)

Yep, this black hole is probably a Schwarzschild black hole, the simplest variety of black holes, which doesn't rotate and has no charge. Schwarzschild black holes have a point-shaped singularity, and anything that falls into them is crushed out of existence.

*********

Just re-watched this episode (and Doctor Who Confidential) and it was still absolutely brilliant.
I just loved the atmosphere and setting of this episode: Sanctury base was brilliantly designed, really looked functional and lived-in. That gritty, low-tech 'space-pioneer' mood works really well IMO. RTD described it as a place where "you couldn't take the atmosphere or water for granted".

10/10 from me :)

Some good quotes:

"We must feed"
"It means us!"

"We must feed ... you"

"People, look at that, real people!"
"That's us, huray!"

"They're staring at me. I told them to stop, but ... "
"Danny, you're a big boy, I think you can take being stared at"

"Don't forget to breathe, breathing's good"
"Rose, stay off the frequency"
:rolleyes:

Sepik
June 27th, 2006, 07:15 PM
That is one of the best episodes. Just everything about it... was great! But I have to say the one thing that hooked me the most was the background music. If they ever make a soundtrack for Doctor Who, the background music used in this episode has GOT to be on it. Well, that and Song for Ten and Bad Wolf Theme, of course. ^^

silverdamascus
June 29th, 2006, 01:07 PM
Oh, I agree, the really simple violin music used is beautiful and really effective as well.

HyperCaz
July 2nd, 2006, 08:11 PM
Just a sig/banner I quickly made for this ep. :) Something of a sneak/trailer I guess. Slight spoilers.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/HyperCaz/sigs/impoal.jpg

lord-anubis
October 29th, 2006, 04:28 PM
was it just me but from the being from the ep all i could think about was the game doom 3 the ep was kind of like it

Nolamom
November 17th, 2006, 06:04 PM
I'm glad to have recorded this as I'm still on heavy meds following my surgery this week. What I could follow of it was really good. Now back to narcotic induced haze...

ShadowMaat
November 17th, 2006, 06:14 PM
Just hope it doesn't give you drug-fueled nightmares. ;)

Still a good ep although the whole shippy angle continues to read awkwardly to me. *sigh* I hate ship, especially when it's unsubtle and clumsy.

creed462
November 17th, 2006, 07:39 PM
very good ep can't wait for the second part.
My friend said it reminded him of Event harizon.

jds1982
November 17th, 2006, 08:15 PM
Wow that was a good episode, it was creepy and moody and just awesome. I didn't think much of the writing on the wall till they said something about the Beast rising from the pit, then I was like "oh hell, that was Angelic script". I think I'm going to be looking over my shoulder every time I sit at the computer now. Pretty ballsy move to take on the Lord of Darkness, kinda heavy for Dr. Who. Gotta say best episode of Who I've ever seen, if only CE were in it.

Flyboy
November 19th, 2006, 04:11 AM
Glad you guys liked it. It was indeed fantastic, and there was a huge Event Horizon feel to it.

Something a load of us Brits mused was that it had a Stargate feel as well. The archeologist, the ancient languages, the ruins, and then some creature (possibly) posing as the Devil.

jds1982
November 19th, 2006, 05:58 AM
It just didn't feel like a television, it felt like a movie, I kept forgetting I was watching Dr. Who. I think it could be the basis for a pretty cool series.

Kingomon
November 21st, 2006, 05:21 AM
"Some call him Satin" Wow that was One creppy episode. I know the Red being would be coming but I didn't know that it would be him. And the Tartis poor tartis the doctor said it was acting funny and it was because it could feel it down in the planet. Though the tartis is probley fine.

ShadowMaat
November 21st, 2006, 09:37 AM
Heh. I actually wasted about a minute trying to figure out which character was called Satin because none of them seemed particularly silky to me. Oh, what a difference a letter makes. LOL!

Now, Satan on the other claw... veeery interesting. And it's handled in a way that manages to make it seem slightly less hokey than it otherwise might.

Flyboy
November 21st, 2006, 03:08 PM
TARDIS!

For the love of God!

TARDIS

Nolamom
November 21st, 2006, 07:39 PM
There, there FOB...Don't raise your blood pressure ... just practice:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/Nolamom/Stargate%20Stuff/ignore.gif

Col.Foley
November 22nd, 2006, 07:13 PM
I have to say, did not like this episode, do not like things involving the creepy devil thingies. However this is when I admit, I scare easy. However I knew it was the devil long before he was revealed as such. I kept on saying to my friend, who this was his first time watching Doctor Who, this is Satan, this is Stan, or something damn close, and I was right.
Although a few questions that I do have about the episode, maybe you can answer them for me. One what do you think was responsible for the Tardis almost refusual to land? Was it the black hole, or was it that it detected that something dark was down on the planet? Did Satan destroy the Tardis gobble it up because he may need it? Was the Tardis the final part it needed to escape? Was the Tardis being caught in the quake accident, or was it according to some unholy design. Is he right now using it to power his escape from the trap door?
If anyone can answer these, or discuss the great foggy layer in front of my eyes can be lifted, thanks.

full.infinity
November 24th, 2006, 11:26 AM
The only flaw I can find with this episode is this:
Black. Holes. Do. Not. Work. That. Way.

Until you get into the event horizon, where relativity takes over and the escape velocity exceeds infinity, objects can orbit a black hole the exact same way they can orbit a normal star.

MasySyma
November 25th, 2006, 05:51 PM
I enjoyed this episode. 10/10

I even liked the shippiness. The Doctor would never get a mortgage with Rose, but the mere thought of it shows how much he has changed since she became a companion. Despite her shortcomings, which annoy me regularly, she has humanized him.

The Ood aren't my favorite, but my vote is out until the second half airs, and I can live with the space/blackhole factual errors, given that blue phonebooths don't fly through space normally either.

All scifi shows come with glitches that must be accepted: Alien races must have mostly ugly men but only hot women when in the Star Trek universe. All aliens speak English when visiting the Stargate franchise, and Doctor Who viewers must accept science that doesn't work. Oh well. :)

Trek_Girl42
December 4th, 2006, 11:34 PM
Loved this episode- definitly see why this show has such a following. It reminds me very much of Hitchhiker's Guide- which I love. :D

Loved the Ood, I thought they were great, and the poor Tardis! Absolutly agree with the comments on the music, I thought that was lovely as well. :)

Can't wait for next week, I definitly think that this show will become mandatory viewing. :)

full.infinity
December 10th, 2006, 08:53 AM
Loved this episode- definitly see why this show has such a following. It reminds me very much of Hitchhiker's Guide- which I love. :D
Actually, Douglas Adams(rest in peace) wrote for the original Doctor Who.

Trek_Girl42
December 23rd, 2006, 10:54 PM
Actually, Douglas Adams(rest in peace) wrote for the original Doctor Who.
I knew that! :D

He died way too young, he probably would have done wonderfully writing for this series. :)

Cold Fuzz
February 6th, 2010, 02:33 AM
"There's something odd...with the Ood." Love that! :cameron:

gateship15
February 6th, 2010, 08:40 PM
that is a great line

Pharaoh Atem
February 6th, 2010, 09:48 PM
i felt so bad for the ood

Cold Fuzz
February 7th, 2010, 06:13 AM
i felt so bad for the ood

The Ood were treated very badly, it's true. But it made their liberation in "Planet of the Ood" and the interesting civilization they'd created by "The End of Time" that much more satisfying to watch. They were also the first ones to prophesy to the Doctor about the coming cataclysm. They went from being Satan's unwilling pawns to helping the Doctor save all of creation. Definitely a great arc for them.

gateship15
February 7th, 2010, 05:27 PM
i agree

Gamma626
October 24th, 2010, 05:47 PM
Brilliant 2 parter. Two of the best episodes I've seen so far.

Ulkesh47
October 24th, 2010, 09:22 PM
The tension at the end of this episode, ramping up to the cliffhanger, was outstanding.

Actually, this whole episode can be used as a textbook example of great buildup, culminating in an edge-of-your-seat hook into the second episode.

maneth
June 19th, 2012, 09:47 AM
Cool episode, can't wait to see the rest of it! Best cliffhanger I've seen in a long time.

maneth
August 8th, 2014, 08:02 AM
This is one of the creepy ones.