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GateWorld
April 14th, 2006, 01:25 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 2807</FONT>
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The Doctor and Rose find a hostile alien entity in 1953 England, who is using televisions to literally feed on the minds of unsuspecting viewers.

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Easter Lily
May 27th, 2006, 10:19 PM
Huh... has no one else posted yet?
Sooooooo... that means I get to be first... *erupts into childish glee*

I enjoyed this episode for different things but came away feeling that there was an underlying feeling of unevenness... Was it some kind of social commentary of families in the 50s... or a moral tale preaching the potential evils of television... or how easily they suck the viewer in? ;) :P
Obviously there was a lot happening in one episode which I think exacerbated the episode's problems because it trivialized the resolution in the attempt to tie up all the threads in 45 minutes.

However, next week's episode looks terrific... we are apparently going to be graced by some Pakmara lookalikes... or is it the Cthulhu? :P

Willow'sCat
May 28th, 2006, 03:11 AM
Huh... has no one else posted yet?
Sooooooo... that means I get to be first... *erupts into childish glee*WSOD I think EL, well it kept me away. ;)

I enjoyed this episode for different things but came away feeling that there was an underlying feeling of unevenness... Was it some kind of social commentary of families in the 50s... or a moral tale preaching the potential evils of television... or how easily they suck the viewer in? ;) :P
Obviously there was a lot happening in one episode which I think exacerbated the episode's problems because it trivialized the resolution in the attempt to tie up all the threads in 45 minutes.
You took the words....

I really felt it was pulling in too many directions and there was an under use of some of the characters, Magpie for example, I mean did I care when he died? No. :cool:

I also didn't really understand the big bad. What was the wire meant to really be? Just another alien? :S

The resolution was uneven in as much as they just got their faces/brains/minds back *just like that* :S

I think this was the weakest episode so far of both the 9th & 10th.

But I loved the young boy Tommy, it would be nice to see him going on adventures in the T.A.R.D.I.S one day. ;)

The Signal
May 28th, 2006, 03:27 AM
I felt this was far better than the last two weeks, but I agree some of the characters were under used, IMO they should have had a 1 part cybermen episode, and done this as a 2 parter, and there was certainly enough material for it. The wire was unusual, a basic, and not well explained villain, but odly unnerving at the same time.
I was really hoping at the time, the Doctor would have made some sort of comment about transmitters before climbing it, and was disapointed to see that there wasnt, although according to DW Confidential, it was there at first.

Overall score 7/10

Favourite quote: Its never too late as a wise person once said, Kylie I think.

Reefgirl
May 28th, 2006, 03:29 AM
Michael Rennie was ill the day the Earth stood still..........

Sorry but that tune has been running around my head since I watched it

I liked this because it was cheesy, shlock, B movie Sci Fi right from the time Brad and Janet *Ahem* sorry the Doctor and Rose stepped out of the Tardis to the time Frank...um...Mr Magpie climbed up the RKO...er... Alexandra Palace transmitter (I've been to Ally Pally a couple of times, I'm sure that staircase was specially built). It was rushed and could have done with being a two parter, I loved Maureen Lipman as 'Auntie Beeb' we could do with more villans like her, I'm not sure if I like the emotional Doctor or not. If you watch this episode with your tongue firmly in your cheek this is great TV, Loved DT with a DA ;) IMO the only thing it was missing was Richard O'Brien and a big pair of lips

.....At the late night, double feature picture show-ow-ow

Willow'sCat
May 28th, 2006, 03:42 AM
I guess I need more :P in my cheek then. :D

in circles
May 28th, 2006, 04:50 AM
Very fun episode. Rose criticising the guy over the union flag, the fingers round your elbow thing and the Doctor getting punched had me laughing. Maybe would have been a bit better and more sinister if the wire hadn't been shouting feed me but never mind.

ShadowMaat
May 28th, 2006, 06:57 AM
Wasn't terribly engaged by this ep. The screaming & ranting of the dad seemed way too overboard. In fact, the Doctor seemed to do quite a bit of screaming, too. And The Wire's repetitive "Hungryyyy" came off as more annoying than anything else.

I did like Tommy and I half-wished that he'd get invited to go along on the TARDIS... or that he would end up having some significance later on in history.

I was also mildly disappointed that the faceless people were restored- I think it should have been a permanent thing, although as soon as I saw Rose get attacked, I knew it wasn't gonna happen. *sigh* Would have been the perfect time to replace Rose with Tommy, though. ;)

BTW, was I the only one trying to see in-references to Life on Mars? LOL! Two decades too soon, I know, but the whole "D.I." thing got me wistful...

Wraith Scientist
May 28th, 2006, 07:03 AM
Very fun episode. Rose criticising the guy over the union flag, the fingers round your elbow thing and the Doctor getting punched had me laughing. Maybe would have been a bit better and more sinister if the wire hadn't been shouting feed me but never mind.

Yeah, the "Feed MEEEEE" was rather cheesy ;)

Again, no Torchwood references in this one
EDIT: Yes there is ;)

Can't wait for the next ep - It looks awesome. Set on a planet other than Earth for a change, and features aliens (the Ood) which seem to coexist with the humans in the 'Empire'.
Everyone seen the Tardisode (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/tardisodes/)?

Billz
May 28th, 2006, 07:25 AM
This was definatly one of my favourites. Next weeks episode looks brilliant, it would finally be an episode with a classic Who feeling to it, other planet, blackhole, brilliant looking aliens. Cant wait for that one. I was a bit confused by 'The Idiots Lantern' though, The alien didnt really have a proper name, just called itself 'The Wire' all the time. 9/10

Commander Ivanova
May 28th, 2006, 07:30 AM
'Feed me' is straight out of Little Shop of Horrors BTW.
Not a good ep. Boring and stupid. Suppose it might have picked up, I didn't hang around for the end.

Flyboy
May 28th, 2006, 07:44 AM
TBH... I just kept thimking: "Rose has totally gotten above her station. You're a companion fcol, ACT LIKE ONE!" I don't know about you... but just HEARING about Torchwood is getting a little infuriating... I want some physical, yet enigmatic involvement on their half. I was depseratly hoping the police officers taking away victims were Torchwood... it seems they were only taking their orders from them.

I did however like the car chase. Who says Doctor Who doesnt have high speed chases in it!? :-D

Rose was just annoying.

And personally, I think the Doctor should have pretended to be Security Service...

However, yes... Girl In The Fireplace still beats this one.

Next weeks looks good I think though.

yaaayoubetcha
May 28th, 2006, 08:00 AM
I'm neutral on this one.

Liked the idea behind The Wire, but seemed implemented really poorly. Could have been better done as a recurring villain to learn more about it or in a more futuristic setting.

I loved the Dr's comment about Rose's mom dating a sailor...'oh i bet she did!'

Again, this ep resolution seemed rushed, though did laugh when he specified betamax.

Magpie and the dective both seemed wasted. Either one could have had an interesting development (well....as much as can in 45mins), but with both having to have screen time, neither really got used well.

on the whole :sam: :sam: :sam: outta :sam: :sam: :sam: :sam: :sam:

Darkseid
May 28th, 2006, 12:51 PM
Just caught the episode, my thoughts;

1) It's only the Union Jack when hung at sea? I had no idea.

2) Feeeeeeeeed me!!! Wow, I was expecting Audrey 2 from Little Shop of Horrors to pop out!

3) Rose was finally getting into it. Was liking that she had some spunk in her, then all of a sudden she had no face and was pushed a side so a little boy we'll probably never see again could get a push in storyline. If I were Billie Piper I would probably wanna leave the show by now just out of boredom! She can't be that excited to go to work these days....

4) Timelord or Human, there is no living organic thing that could stand upon an opperating TV/radio tower that long without getting their insides cooked. That would have killed those two in a matter of minutes.

5) Didn't see the moon or any Torchwood referances, but I did hear the word 'beautiful' spoken when it probably didn't need to be...

6) I get a big kick out of TV writers and producers who make fun of their industry. The title, 'Idiot's Lantern', is an obvious swipe at the television. If RTD doesn't have that much faith in television, why does he work in the buisness? In fact, the name 'Idiot's Lantern' really had nothing to do with the episode. The name 'CRT of Terror' is actually a more fitting name. Or maybe 'Tube of Trouble'. How about 'Eraser Head'?!

7) I knew The Doctor liked the Beatles, but had no idea he was a fan of Elvis. 1953 London? That not only predates Elvis (who really got started around 1954), but it predates Bill Haley's 'Rock around the Clock'.

8) I totally LOVED the fact that The Doctor wanted to celebrate by hanging around the common folk. He didn't want to hang out at the fancy parties. No. He wanted to hang around the comman man (and woman). Those are the people that The Doctor has always releated too. Testify!!

10) Did the Doctor and Rose actually get out of that Alternate Universe? It was never actually said. Could they still be in the Alternate Universe now...? Ok, now I am really nit-picking!!!

Overall, a better then average Doctor Who episode. I liked it better then those Hollywoodesqe Cybermen episodes that was filled with too many coincidences.

God Save the Queen

Flyboy
May 28th, 2006, 01:05 PM
Yes they DID get out of the alt uni, at the end of Age of Steel they visited Jackie in her flat.

And the Torchwood reference was subtle and in the background with the cops saying something like "with torchwood on our backs as well".

beale947
May 28th, 2006, 01:50 PM
I have three words

Worst Episode Ever

The best part of the episode was the doctor and rose shouting at the guy at the beginning, that was it.

Matt G
May 28th, 2006, 02:38 PM
Hmmmm...

1. Interesting having an ep set in the 50s. A lot of retroworldists rave about this decade as a golden age in the UK. Looks like RTD and/or Mark Gatiss doesn't believe in that myth either. It generally matched my Mum's recollections of that decade more, complete with everyone round new black and white TV for the Coronation. Party at the end looked cool though.

2. "I'm hungry!" That's not "Little shop of horrors" plant(which at least has 'some' fear factor to it). That's some whiney voice that wouldn't scare me at all.

3. Liked how they set up Rose sniffing about on her own and then the Doctor picking things up.

4. Darkseid: I don't think the Doctor was aiming for '53. He has still to get his TARDIS navigation fixed. ;)

Overall, a pretty light ep. OK but gets burned by the Cybermen two parter.

Reefgirl
May 28th, 2006, 03:19 PM
The Doctor was actually aiming for Elvis on the Ed Sullivan Show which was 56 I think, I was hoping that the Yard the Police used was Totters Lane but it wasn't to be

Easter Lily
May 28th, 2006, 04:06 PM
I'm not sure if I like the emotional Doctor or not. If you watch this episode with your tongue firmly in your cheek this is great TV, Loved DT with a DA ;) IMO the only thing it was missing was Richard O'Brien and a big pair of lips

.....At the late night, double feature picture show-ow-ow

Well, this was precisely my problem with the episode... I didn't know what it was supposed to be... One minute it seemed like it wanted to be a B-movie cheesy horror flick, then suddenly it decided to be serious with characters trying to wax poetic about fascism and male chauvinism. Then the doctor gets enraged in a Hulk-like manner. Nothing was properly developed... just a hotchpodge of stuff thrown in our direction leaving one feeling rather dissatisfied.

This is why I preferred the Cybermen two parter... it knew what it was about and didn't pretend to be more than what it was.

dipsofjazz
May 28th, 2006, 04:20 PM
I was very disappointed with this episode.
I hated all the shouting, from the father and from DT. It was just too much for me.
Maureen Lipman is one of my favourite actresses, but she had far too many cheesy lines..."hungry", "feed me". I felt they wasted what could have been a great character with The Wire.

The whole episode felt very rushed to me, and the ending was just a let-down.
This could/should have been a great episode, but I just didn't enjoy it very much.

Next week looks interesting. At least we'll be away from Earth based stories, and have some real aliens.

dipsofjazz
May 28th, 2006, 04:21 PM
Well, this was precisely my problem with the episode... I didn't know what it was supposed to be... One minute it seemed like it wanted to be a B-movie cheesy horror flick, then suddenly it decided to be serious with characters trying to wax poetic about fascism and male chauvinism. Then the doctor gets enraged in a Hulk-like manner. Nothing was properly developed... just a hotchpodge of stuff thrown in our direction leaving one feeling rather dissatisfied.

This is why I preferred the Cybermen two parter... it knew what it was about and didn't pretend to be more than what it was.
I think this is why I didn't enjoy the episode too.

Darkseid
May 28th, 2006, 04:36 PM
4. Darkseid: I don't think the Doctor was aiming for '53. He has still to get his TARDIS navigation fixed.

I know he wasn't aiming for '53. The point I was making was that not only did he get the location wrong, he also got the year wrong. How is it it can control the TARDIS sometimes but not all the time. It just seems like a writers convience to me....



Yes they DID get out of the alt uni, at the end of Age of Steel they visited Jackie in her flat.

YA, I must have spaced that one out......I remember now.....


And the Torchwood reference was subtle and in the background with the cops saying something like "with torchwood on our backs as well".

I didn't catch that. I had the volume down fairly low as we were trying to get the baby to sleep. I've only had a chance to watch the ep once so far. I try to watch it at least twice so I can catch everything. Sometimes it's hard for me to understand the accents being a wee bit hard of hearing and such...


2. "I'm hungry!" That's not "Little shop of horrors" plant(which at least has 'some' fear factor to it). That's some whiney voice that wouldn't scare me at all.

I wasn't refering to the 'I'm Hungry' bit, she said 'FEED ME!' on at least one occasion as I recall. I was waiting for Levi Stubbs to show up!!


I was hoping that the Yard the Police used was Totters Lane but it wasn't to be

Ya, that would have been cool if it was Totter's lane! Imagine, it was used by the cops then left empty for a few years just so Hartnell and Susan could show up. If that were the case I would figure that the Doctor would know his way around a bit better.....

IMForeman
May 29th, 2006, 01:09 PM
I know he wasn't aiming for '53. The point I was making was that not only did he get the location wrong, he also got the year wrong. How is it it can control the TARDIS sometimes but not all the time. It just seems like a writers convience to me....


Sometimes the TARDIS cooperates and takes the Doctor where he wants to go, and sometimes the TARDIS sees something interesting and takes the Doctor where she wants him to go.

Reefgirl
May 29th, 2006, 01:39 PM
Sometimes the TARDIS cooperates and takes the Doctor where he wants to go, and sometimes the TARDIS sees something interesting and takes the Doctor where she wants him to go.
I've been saying that for years

Flyboy
May 29th, 2006, 02:18 PM
I guess it's a bit like taking a puppy for a walk. Sometimes the puppy lets you go to the corner shop, sometimes it drags you after that spry little rabbit...

ShadowMaat
May 29th, 2006, 03:01 PM
Yes, but if the TARDIS widdles on the carpet or chews your favorite slippers, I'd begin to worry... :P

Flyboy
May 29th, 2006, 04:04 PM
Well it DOES depend what form it takes... I hear the advanced TARDISes can take human form.

ShadowMaat
May 29th, 2006, 05:47 PM
Well it DOES depend what form it takes... I hear the advanced TARDISes can take human form.
A human widdling on the carpet and chewing my slippers would still be upsetting. :P

Still... that's an interesting idea and it might be kinda fun to see what wild directions the show might take in regards to what the TARDIS (or its heart) is.

James_the_Wraith_Sympathiser
May 29th, 2006, 07:14 PM
I have three words

Worst Episode Ever

The best part of the episode was the doctor and rose shouting at the guy at the beginning, that was it.

Agreed.

I am usually one to give any episode a chance, and I have liked every episode so far this season...but this was just ridiculously bad. I mean come on...an entity that lives inside a TV? *SNORE*

Nuallain
May 30th, 2006, 04:39 AM
IN-jokes ...

>The Idiot's Lantern is an actual phrase used in the 1950s to describe television.

>The action is set on Florizel Street -- which was the working title for what became Coronation Street (another Corrie connection is that Corrie, Weatherfield is actually based on Florizel Street in Salsford, where Christopher Eccleston grew up)

> There was a line cut where the Doctor says "I just have a thing about transmitters. I fell off one once."


All in all, one of the best episodes of the season. So great to have a genuine classic after the doldrums of the past few weeks. I'd give it an A-. Best episode since School Reunion.

ShadowMaat
May 30th, 2006, 04:40 AM
Oh, I don't think the idea was bad, it's just the execution that was shoddy and left so much to be desired. I also think that the timing was poor- coming immediately after the Cybermen story, having an episode about evil electronics attacking people and stealing their minds is just too... similar. Or at least, I thought there were some echoes. It would have been nicer to have come from the Cybermen to something completely and utterly different. Give us a break from the "people are too reliant on technology and it's gonna be the end of 'em" riff. :P

indaeo
May 30th, 2006, 09:29 AM
DT's version of "anger" (ie just shouting really loudly) did nothing but make me laugh.

Overall, there were parts that I liked, small aspects, but not enough for me to actually like the whole episode. It was quite underwhelming for me.

in circles
May 30th, 2006, 10:17 AM
> There was a line cut where the Doctor says "I just have a thing about transmitters. I fell off one once."

They totally should have kept that in.

Matt G
May 30th, 2006, 02:50 PM
I wasn't refering to the 'I'm Hungry' bit, she said 'FEED ME!' on at least one occasion as I recall. I was waiting for Levi Stubbs to show up!!





And I was referring to the fact that The Wire, whatever she/it was`saying, sounded lame as hell!

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
May 31st, 2006, 02:26 PM
Just finish watching the ep. And it was a bad episode, near the bottom (or at the bottom) of my list of favorite episodes (of the new series, not the original series).

the only good scene was with the Betamax tape.

Darkseid
May 31st, 2006, 09:42 PM
And I was referring to the fact that The Wire, whatever she/it was`saying, sounded lame as hell!


Why yes........yes it did.........................

BC - 303
June 1st, 2006, 06:23 AM
it wasnt brilliant, or the best, but it didnt suck as much, well my opinion.
Also
I total missed the torchwood reference.

Madeleine
June 2nd, 2006, 11:04 PM
I was very disappointed with this episode.
I hated all the shouting, from the father and from DT. It was just too much for me.
Maureen Lipman is one of my favourite actresses, but she had far too many cheesy lines..."hungry", "feed me". I felt they wasted what could have been a great character with The Wire.

The whole episode felt very rushed to me, and the ending was just a let-down.
This could/should have been a great episode, but I just didn't enjoy it very much.

Next week looks interesting. At least we'll be away from Earth based stories, and have some real aliens.

What Bev said. Especially the bit about Maureen Lipman. And the bit about getting away from Earth next week.

On the plus side, I LOVE the Psychic Paper. "King of Belgium, apparently" :)

Metarock Sam
June 5th, 2006, 12:06 PM
I thought this storie was allright. Too Short though should have been a two-parter. They didnt expalain the wire properly and they should have kept the Logopolis reference in it. Still there was alot of great references to one of the best musicals ever (Little Shop of Horrors) with all the lightning effects and the whole 'feed me' lines.
The Vespa coming out of the TARDIS was well interesting a bit like the motorcycle in the movie except not as laughable.
The Doctor and Rose are really close now and I wont be suprised if one will sacrifice themself for the other again or Rose will merge with the TARDIS or something like that.
The Doctor didnt do muh although there was that funny bit with the Detective Inspector and when he shouted at the Faschist Dad person.
This ep really focused on the non-essential characters like Tommy and so on.
One question though will all episodes in the century feature empty zombies of some kind cos its starting to get a little repetitive.
I give this a 3 out of 5 since it could have been alot better if it was a two part story and the villian could have been explained a bit more.

GhostPoet
July 24th, 2006, 11:49 AM
I really thought this episode was great.
I did laugh a little when the creature kept saying "Feeeeeeeeeed meeeeeeeeeee!" Mainly because my wife jokes and says that sometimes.

But over=all...loved it. As usual.
Doctor Who is the best written sci-fi show ever.

LaCroix
November 10th, 2006, 06:03 PM
About the only I liked about this episode was when the wife booted the hubby out. That was it. Bad episode.

ShadowMaat
November 10th, 2006, 07:06 PM
I didn't even bother watching it again. Worst episode of the whole series (so far) IMO.

Madeleine
November 11th, 2006, 12:00 AM
I plan to watch the bit where he says 'King of Belgium' again. But not the rest.

Thermonuclearboy
November 11th, 2006, 06:23 AM
David Tennant must NEVER wear a pompadour again. NEVER. AGAIN.

So what was with the orange juice? All these Britishisms are just...I don't understand England! Don't...understand...what's...going on! Argh!

Tracker
November 11th, 2006, 08:08 PM
Not the best episode in the bunch, but it was still fun to watch.

Anyone else have to keep reminding themselves that the kid was not Adric? :P

MasySyma
November 25th, 2006, 06:40 PM
David Tennant must NEVER wear a pompadour again. NEVER. AGAIN.

Just because it made his head double in size isn't a reason to knock it. :)

I won't call it the worst episode of the series, but it was not my favorite.

I did like that Rose finally took initiative, but I did have to cheeer when she got her face sucked off. :)

Trek_Girl42
November 28th, 2006, 01:14 AM
First ep of Doctor Who I've ever seen...so it's a bad one? Hmm, good to know. :P

Missster.Freeman
November 28th, 2006, 10:39 AM
First ep of Doctor Who I've ever seen...so it's a bad one? Hmm, good to know. :P
Is that a thumbs up for the The Idiot's Lantern? :D

I haven't watched this episode again since its original airing and I can't remember much apart from, David Tennant's DA, Tommy's father being the "man of the house" and Maureen Lipman demanding "FEEEED ME!" It was a rather average episode, especially after the mid-series two part Cybermen story. Still, Rose losing face was rather interesting. :P If you liked this episode, you're in for a big treat for the rest of the series. You should definitely watch last series (27) with Christopher Eccleston as the ninth Doctor. :)

Trek_Girl42
November 28th, 2006, 12:13 PM
Is that a thumbs up for the The Idiot's Lantern? :D

I haven't watched this episode again since its original airing and I can't remember much apart from, David Tennant's DA, Tommy's father being the "man of the house" and Maureen Lipman demanding "FEEEED ME!" It was a rather average episode, especially after the mid-series two part Cybermen story. Still, Rose losing face was rather interesting. :P If you liked this episode, you're in for a big treat for the rest of the series. You should definitely watch last series (27) with Christopher Eccleston as the ninth Doctor. :)
No, I .....yeah, I thought it was bizarre (not in an overly good way :P) So my reaction after watching it was "Huh? What's the big deal about this show?" The preview for next week's ep looked very cool though. I'll have to check that one out. :)

MasySyma
November 28th, 2006, 08:31 PM
No, I .....yeah, I thought it was bizarre (not in an overly good way :P) So my reaction after watching it was "Huh? What's the big deal about this show?" The preview for next week's ep looked very cool though. I'll have to check that one out. :)

If you are in the states and have BBC America, they just started airing the series 27 episodes. They will air the third one next Tuesday at 9:00 Central time.

Also, hang in there. Doctor Who grew on me. While every now and again an episode goes too goofy, most have an excellent blend of humor and drama. In series 27, every episode from The Empty Child on was simply fabulous.

Trek_Girl42
November 28th, 2006, 11:46 PM
If you are in the states and have BBC America, they just started airing the series 27 episodes. They will air the third one next Tuesday at 9:00 Central time.

Also, hang in there. Doctor Who grew on me. While every now and again an episode goes too goofy, most have an excellent blend of humor and drama. In series 27, every episode from The Empty Child on was simply fabulous.
*sigh* not in the states (Canada) and we don't get repeats for much of anything very often. :(

LadyLord75
May 15th, 2007, 10:21 PM
I *tried* to rewatch this one today, to give it a second chance. Didn't work.
It's pretty unfortunate where this one falls chronologically, right after Rise Of The Cybermen. I will make every excuse for Doctor Who, usually, because by nature its quirkiness is so endearing. I just didn't enjoy this one, although
I did laugh at Rose saying Jackie dated a sailor & The Doctor's response, "I'll bet she did!"

Coco Pops
May 11th, 2008, 06:18 PM
Well that was sucky. I have only recently bought season 2 and 3 on DVD and forced myself to watch this.

It had occasional good moments but a layer of suckiness on top which ruined any potential fun.

Was it intentional to make people think of "Little shop of horrors" when the Wire thing said "feed me" or was that just dumb coincidence?

Actually on that that had to be one of the lamest Dr. Who vilains in recent history. IMVHO

The ending with the Doctor putting the Wire into a Betamax cassette and just glibly saying "I'll just tape over it" to get rid of her. That was just over the top sucky. This episode and "Love & Monsters" shall forever remain in my horror pile. The pile that reads:
"Shows never to be watched unless I'm stone drunk or almost comatose"



OK picky bits. Or rather one really dodgy bit that cheesed me right off.

How in the hell did that guy make a portable TV with small screen from 1950's technology? It's not like you had massive ammounts of transistors frreely available back in 1953 or intergrated circuits. And where did that small screen come from. You would still have needed triodes, pentodes, and large discrete components. I don't think modern semiconductors were that readily available. My biggest grip was the screen. Where the blazes did that come from?

Oh and just where in the TARDIS was that scooter parked?

ShadowMaat
May 11th, 2008, 08:58 PM
There's probably a whole room full of scooters and bikes and segways and hoverboards and whatnot. ;)

Coco Pops
May 11th, 2008, 09:03 PM
There's probably a whole room full of scooters and bikes and segways and hoverboards and whatnot. ;)



There probably is.....

But I gather that the TARDIS interior in this incarnation is a descending cylinder is it? From the scene in the Christmas Invasion in the wardrobe room I got the impression the rooms all descend along a spiral staircase of sorts.. Which you see in the wide shot of the scene.

Although I imagine to get the scooter he prolly teleports it rather then hike up a staircase with it.

Oh and if you can get the chance have a go on a Segway they are AWESOME fun to ride.

ShadowMaat
May 11th, 2008, 10:31 PM
Umm... No, I'm pretty sure the TARDIS contains all kinds of rooms, hallways, mountain ranges and whatever else it wants that we simply never see, which is one of the reasons why some of us were spinning out ideas for an ep based entirely within the TARDIS.

Coco Pops
May 11th, 2008, 10:48 PM
Umm... No, I'm pretty sure the TARDIS contains all kinds of rooms, hallways, mountain ranges and whatever else it wants that we simply never see, which is one of the reasons why some of us were spinning out ideas for an ep based entirely within the TARDIS.


And where are these ideas? Is there a thread?

And yeah that was just my observation. The wardrobe room seemed to be contained in a small round room with a staircase going up and one going down... Just looked interesting and made me want to speculate on what the interior was all about.

ShadowMaat
May 11th, 2008, 11:12 PM
It's mixed into the Poison Sky thread although Merlin's_Legacy did start a TARDIS- ep idea (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=54716) thread where stuff is/was being kicked around.

Coco Pops
July 26th, 2008, 02:30 AM
I just watched this epsode again the other day.

Not one of my favourites, and not one of the good ones this series. My all time favourite has to be "Girl In The Fireplace"..

This one just sucked.

lame resolution.

As for Magpie how does he make that gadget in 1953?

Gamma626
October 24th, 2010, 01:55 PM
I hated this one. The "Feed Me!" thing was to over the top for me. Also, why did it need peoples faces anyway?

maneth
June 18th, 2012, 10:50 AM
Bizarre episode for sure but I enjoyed it nonetheless. No weirder than the clockwork men and Madame Pompadour...

Coco Pops
June 18th, 2012, 07:07 PM
Bizarre episode for sure but I enjoyed it nonetheless. No weirder than the clockwork men and Madame Pompadour...


No......The Girl In The Fireplace made sense. It had a bigger story with more heart and a couple of scenes that made me tear up a little. That's a good episode IMHO if it can suck you in and make you feel for the characters.

This one was just lame and dull.