The Age Of Steel (2806/206)

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<FONT SIZE=4><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s2/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">THE AGE OF STEEL</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 2806</FONT>
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As Lumic rounds up all of London to be "upgraded" into Cybermen bodies, the Doctor, Rose, and Mickey join an underground resistance led by Mickey's parallel self. Rose and her father, Pete, risk their lives to try and save this world's Jackie Tyler.

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[The Signal]

A massive improvent on last weeks dreadfull first part, the emotion, the action and the comedy all in there. It was far from the best of the revival, but still very good. Mickey's farewell was done perfectly, and the DT played the Doctor's reactions to it perfectly (there was so much pride in his expression). I felt Pete's reaction was spot on when he found out he had a daughter in an AU, had he welcomed her with open arms I would not have been pleased, I just doubt thta he ever wanted to be a father, and the Pete we got in Father's Day was just the result of him being softened by Rose and his paternal instinct.

There was the bad acting of Lumic, and the Cybercontroller wasnt as good as he could be (and the NOOOOOOOO was just abismal). Killing Rickey was also very predictable.

Still, there was absolutely nothing special about it.

Rating 6/10

[Metarock Sam]

It was a great ep. Shame about the cliffhanger tho asit was just resolved far too quickly.
But I loved this ep.
The Cyber Controller was so brilliant. He looked so call all shiny and with all those glowing lights. This ep was much more Darker then the first part and it helped change the mood.
They killed Rickey !!!! and Mickey ended up driving away in a van with that guy from Byker Grove.
Poor Jackie. She got Cybernised !!!!!!!!! I was like OMG at that point so crazy !!!!!
The Emotional Cybermen moment was so Cliché . Very Bride of Frankenstien but it worked anyway.
The Doctor did a little more this ep which was good. Although I didnt like how quickly the cliffhanger was resolved.
And Rose had her emotinal moments.
No Torchwood mentions this ep, Thats good since we had two last week.
Mickey was great in this ep finally living up to his potential. You kind of feel that its a shame he had to go. Oh well.
One Question... Why no Alternate Doctor ????
Next weeks ep looks well interesting Tv Monster people !!!.....

[Dallista]

I miss Mickey! *cries*
The cliffhanger was silly. Saw the solution coming seven days ago when I realized he was holiding the crystal in his hand. Since when do people surrender with their fists closed, anyway? :-P

But other than that? Wow. Just wow. Another one for the "awesome" category.

[Hulabaloo]

Loved this ep.

When the Cyber controller came out i said; "I wonder if hes gold..."

I dont like Mickey that much so i was actually doing a little jig when i realised he was leaving.

All in all it was a great ep!

9/10

[in circles]

You could see the ending with Mickey coming a mile off and I laughed at all the wrong bits but it was a lot better than last weeks. The Jackie bit was straight out of 'Spare Parts' but that did it a bit better. Thank god they didn't bring up the gold weakness and for once the Cybermen came off as threatening and not totally useless.

[beale947]

great episode, the cliff hanger was resolved to quickly though, but the cyber men were much better and more scary and dark in this one, and i like the parts where you couldn't tell if the cybermen were 'awake' or 'asleep'/'dead' 9/10

[cvife]

as the ninth doctor would say "fantastic", loved this episode, i thaught the jackie bit made the cybermen seen very sinister, seemed like doctor who should be, my 12 year old sister was terrified throughout the whole episode, as the younger viewers should be, i loved it, the cybermen where far better than the borg could ever be, the factory was also very clever and quite scary.

[Matt G]

Hmmm...

1. OK...a lot of people here predicted Mickey's fate.

2. Jackie Tyler turning Cyberman? Ouch!

3. Once the Cybermen converted Lumic of their own accord I started taking them seriously - still not dead cert they'd get into my Horde of Terror but will keep a space open in case they make future appearances.

4. In "Rise of the Cybermen" it was mentioned that Jackie wanted to put off having kids...and then it became too late. I've got a feeling the "don't want to know" from Pete was a case of "why didn't I have kids". Let's face it, he knew Rose wasn't hanging around.

5. Bit too emotional at the end for my liking, but then again, I guess they had to establish that they did return to Rose's reality.

6. Great work from 'all' the good guys here! :)

[Madeleine]

That was a good ep, but sooo sad. Poor Pete, he loses his wife and then Rose messes with his head by telling him that she - bright, resourceful, kind, affectionate, brave - could have been the daughter that his wife never had because of her figure. Poor, poor guy.

Mickey. *Sob* and *Woohoo!*. I'll miss him, he's a great character, he really grew on me and Noel Clarke deserves much praise. But he never really felt as if he was happy. Now he's a hero instead of a tin dog, and he's got his Gran and a friend and a purpose, and a blue van. And someone else's parking tickets.

The bit with the cybermen regaining their emotions was painful to watch. Imagine waking up to find that your brain is inside a tin can :eek:. The "getting married tomorrow" bit would have looked massively corny to me if I'd seen it in a script, but when it came from the metal head it was so incongruous and shocking that it wasn't a bit corny.

Next week's ep looks fab and it's got Maureen Lipman in it and she's wonderful. But WHEN DO WE GET TO SEE ANOTHER PLANET please, Mr RTD?

[sg1niner]

Glad you all liked this episode. Any one want to post a more detailed summary? :cameron: I just noticed they changed http://www.whoisdoctorwho.co.uk/ to "Ricky needs you!" Did they just do that?

[Metarock Sam]

erm thats been like that for a good 5/6 weeks.

[Jonzey]

Next week's ep looks fab and it's got Maureen Lipman in it and she's wonderful. But WHEN DO WE GET TO SEE ANOTHER PLANET please, Mr RTD?
Technically, New Earth was another planet...


But anyway, I thought it was a great episode- very atmospheric. Although I think that metal staircase is the exact same one they used in Rose and New Earth.

Although TBH I was expecting something different with Mickey- I was thinking they'd have Mickey die, but Rickey pretend to be Mickey to spare the feelings of Rose and the Doctor. Then when they left he could go back to being Rickey and they'd think Mickey was still alive.

[The Signal]

Glad you all liked this episode. Any one want to post a more detailed summary? :cameron: I just noticed they changed http://www.whoisdoctorwho.co.uk/ to "Ricky needs you!" Did they just do that?
It happened last week when RotC aired, it changed to "Mickey needs you" when S2 started.

[Willow'sCat]

You could see the ending with Mickey coming a mile off and I laughed at all the wrong bits I always laugh at the wrong bits, that's why I never seem to feel very emotional about these episodes.

I have to say there were at least two places I found myself almost 'almost' scared but nah it didn't quite have me. Now a little kid would probably have nightmares. :S :P

Yes we all saw it coming with Mickey, I am not sad he is gone but then how long is he gone? Really.:cool:

Still don't care too much about Rose and her Dad storyline maybe because they (her Dads) never stay and are not likely to, so I can't really make the commitment to care about what happens to them.

It was a little spooky seeing Jackie as Cybermen (man :S).

[dipsofjazz]

That was a good ep, but sooo sad. Poor Pete, he loses his wife and then Rose messes with his head by telling him that she - bright, resourceful, kind, affectionate, brave - could have been the daughter that his wife never had because of her figure. Poor, poor guy.

Mickey. *Sob* and *Woohoo!*. I'll miss him, he's a great character, he really grew on me and Noel Clarke deserves much praise. But he never really felt as if he was happy. Now he's a hero instead of a tin dog, and he's got his Gran and a friend and a purpose, and a blue van. And someone else's parking tickets.

The bit with the cybermen regaining their emotions was painful to watch. Imagine waking up to find that your brain is inside a tin can :eek:. The "getting married tomorrow" bit would have looked massively corny to me if I'd seen it in a script, but when it came from the metal head it was so incongruous and shocking that it wasn't a bit corny.

Next week's ep looks fab and it's got Maureen Lipman in it and she's wonderful. But WHEN DO WE GET TO SEE ANOTHER PLANET please, Mr RTD?
:D Thanks Madeleine You've said everything I wanted to say, and you said it much better than I ever could.

I found Mickey to be a rather annoying character, but after this episode I felt so happy for him now that he has a purpose in life.

I thought that the scene in the factory when all the people were being upgraded was great. If I was a small child I would have been terrified by all the blades etc. I loved it!

[Reefgirl]

I felt this episode lacked. Lacked plot and lacked subtance I mean what a cop out at the beginning, using a bit of the Tardis to destroy the cybermen.

It was a shame about Mrs Moore, I'd like to have seen a bit more of her

I saw the Mickey/Ricky thing coming last week as I think did the majority of the viewing public.

On the whole, disappointing

[yaaayoubetcha]

as an ep, I'm pretty sure I'm disappointed.

I really enjoyed the appearance of the Cyberleader and Mickey finally manning up and staying behind, but everything else was fairly blah.

While the resolution with the Cybermen at the beginning was visually great, I thought it was kinda cheesey.

Hopefully this interaction with her father will end her quest to have her family back as it's apparent in two universes it wasn't meant to be. I find her fixation to be quite annoying and a poor plot device.

[Reefgirl]

And the way they used the old Alternative Reality cop out for the explaining away the differences in the evolution of the Cybermen was really disappointing, they could have thrown in a couple of Mondas Cybermen in as a plot twist

[pbellosom]

And the way they used the old Alternative Reality cop out for the explaining away the differences in the evolution of the Cybermen was really disappointing, they could have thrown in a couple of Mondas Cybermen in as a plot twist

I agree, when they found the "empty" cyberman on the zeppelin, I was sure it was a Mondas cyberman.

[Major Clanger]

Well, I loved it. The Gruesomes were engrossed, and they jumped and screamed in all the right places.

We're all sorry to see Micky go, he was turning into a great character,but what's really doing it for me is the Doctor's emotions. First when Sally-Cyberperson woke up, he was genuinely so sorry for what had happened to her. And when he said that she was dead he looked devastated.

I loved his relationship with Mrs Moore. Loved the name, really really loved the name. And I absolutely LOVED that she was old like me. :-D I really felt that had she lived he would have invited her along - what a great companion she would have made, and knowing that her husband and kids thought she was dead adds a bit of something there. The Doctor's anger when she was killed was great.

But... Battersea Power station? I love that building, but Mr.MC and I just kept saying "where's the pig?"

But then we're like that.

Fab ep. Can't wait for Maureen Lipman next week.

[Flyboy]

OMG!

Amazing episode. I absolutely loved it.

For a start I loved the resolution to the cliff hanger... why? Because a friend of mine who keeps calling me "Doctor" because of my obsession and because she says I look similar (which i REALLY dont) asked me how I was going to get out of it... So I said i had the power cell from the TARDIS in my hand and would unleash the energy within it onto the cybermen, and as it was from another universe it would cause catastrophic results...

I was right! :D

Anyway.... The most powerful scene...

The cyberman looking in a mirror and touching its face in horror... I actually cried, I mean... these creatures have been heartless villains and nothing more, for 50 years give or take, and now we get taken in and shown the true cruelty of what has happened to them. It was awful! WELL DONE RTD!!!!

[BC - 303]

I agree, when they found the "empty" cyberman on the zeppelin, I was sure it was a Mondas cyberman.
thats precisly what i though!

[NowIWillDestroyAbydos]

Just watched the ep. Sad ending, it sucks that Mickey decided to stay behind. It was kind of weird that the Tardis landed in the Tyler's living room. I give it a ***.

[Willow'sCat]

I loved the T.A.R.D.I.S landing in the living room, it goes to my believe that when The Doctor really wants to make her go somewhere he can, he just usually doesn't mind when or where he ends up. ;)

I still didn't see anything sad about the episode just realistic *as much as it can be* people die, people make sacrifices, people make bad decisions, people are fraking insane.

I did at one point think RTD or the writer at least was going for a slight comment on today's society,

"The human race for such an intelligent lot, you aren't half subceptable. Give anyone a chance to take control and you submit, sometimes I think you like it; easy life"

I really loved those lines from The Doctor. ;)

Yep humans will except anything as long as we can still have that big screen telly. Yes take our rights away just don't take away our PlayStation!

[Easter Lily]

Well, I liked this episode... A LOT...

I didn't mind the quick resolution of the cliffhanger from last week... very classic Who to me...
I didn't mind the Cyber controller's new look... the brain in the forehead look was somewhat eerie...
I certainly didn't mind Mickey saving the day with the Doctor's help.
Most of all, I didn't mind the Doctor flashing his teeth and trying to buy time.
There were times I thought I saw curly locks and an inordinately long scarf coming to the foreground.


I am sorry to see Mickey go... but there's a part of me that believes that he will be back. This is scifi afterall...

[Trader Joe]

While the resolution with the Cybermen at the beginning was visually great, I thought it was kinda cheesey.

I was thinking that same thing. Then I thought, this might be a way for TPTB to bring the Cybermen to this reality. Maybe the TARDIS crystal didn't destroy them, Maybe it zapped them into this reality.


Just something to think about.

Trader Joe

[pbellosom]

I just watched the classic sereis episode Inferno, in it the Doctor states that two of the same person can't exist in the same dimension. Yet here we have both Mickey and Rickey. Is this a continuity error or is there some explanantion.

[Madeleine]

I just watched the classic sereis episode Inferno, in it the Doctor states that two of the same person can't exist in the same dimension. Yet here we have both Mickey and Rickey. Is this a continuity error or is there some explanantion.

That's the reason they changed the letter ;)

[silverdamascus]

My joy at finding he was named Rickey was remembering the 9th Doctor's insistance on allways calling Mickey that.

"It's Mickey."
"No. It's Rickey."
"I think I know my own name."
"You think you know your own name, how thick are you?"

[ShadowMaat]

My joy at finding he was named Rickey was remembering the 9th Doctor's insistance on allways calling Mickey that.

"It's Mickey."
"No. It's Rickey."
"I think I know my own name."
"You think you know your own name, how thick are you?"
Makes you wonder if it was just the producers having a bit of fun or if the 9th Doctor knew something... *cues spooky music* ;)

Probably just for fun, but still a nifty "what if..." scenario.

[lord-anubis]

why did Mickey have to leave i was just beging to like the guy

[MasySyma]

I loved this episode. I'll probably be more articulate tomorrow, but for now my comments will be brief.

Pros:

The Doctor as usual. His emotions were intensly powerful tonight.

Mickey. His actions and his final decisions were wonderful. I agree that Rickey's death was obvious five minutes into Part 1, but I found his and Mickey's choices moving.

Cons:

Rose as usual. She still can't figure out that she isn't the center of the universe, but she may be starting to get the hint tonight.

I give it a 10/10.

[creed462]

good ep. Would have like to seen Micky stay, but that's okay. I've alway like DW with three companion rather then just one

[ShadowMaat]

Pity about Mrs. Moore, she'd have made a good Companion.

Speaking of which... has there ever been a Companion who's "older" than the Doctor? In terms of looks, obviously.

[Nolamom]

Mrs. Moore would have been a nice Companion for a bit.
I was touched by Mickey's line about tin dogs...Made me think of Shadow's sig line.
Also touching was when the cybermen had their "souls" returned and the agony of what had happened to them was realized.

[Skydiver]

umm, ok someone has probably already thought of his, the baddie goes 'i have factories on 7 continents waiting....'

the 7th continent is antarctica. which is mostly unpopulated cept for scientists so how did he build a factory without folks knowing and why waste the resources on a factory when the continent has maybe a few hundred people at most,and that's only during the summer

[ShadowMaat]

I was touched by Mickey's line about tin dogs...Made me think of Shadow's sig line.
It's where I got the idea. *huggles Mickey*

Rose is a jerk. She never appreciated Mickey anyway. But no worries, Jakey Boy's gonna take goood care of Mickey, especially once they hit Paris. :D

Glad he's found someone who'll appreciate him.

[ShadowMaat]

the 7th continent is antarctica. which is mostly unpopulated cept for scientists so how did he build a factory without folks knowing and why waste the resources on a factory when the continent has maybe a few hundred people at most,and that's only during the summer

Cyperpenguins. Duh. :rolleyes:

[creed462]

Cyperpenguins. Duh. :rolleyes:
Oh I can see the horror not even the doctor can beat

[Nolamom]

Cyperpenguins. Duh. :rolleyes:

ROFLOL
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/Nolamom/Stargate%20Stuff/Penguincyberman.gif

[full.infinity]

the 7th continent is antarctica. which is mostly unpopulated cept for scientists so how did he build a factory without folks knowing and why waste the resources on a factory when the continent has maybe a few hundred people at most,and that's only during the summer
there's nobody there to know. And probably to send surplus by plane or whatever.

Or, he might consider India a continent or something.

By the way: Am I the only one who thinks the Cybermen are horribly designed? They walk way too slowly.

[orii7]

I absoluty loved this episode. Afetr seeing (and knowing) what episode comes next, I thought "The Cybermen episodes were so crazy! how are The Doctor and Rose going to recover from it?"

The Cybermen were ok....They acted like sales men (Every citizen will recieve a free upgrade) and they did walk too slow and were waaay too armored. I loved the Mondas / Telos Cybermen better.

Speaking of that, Sci Fi deleted some scenes! one where the Doctor explain how the original Cybermen exsist in our Universe and says a little about them. The very end went too fast because of a scene or two being deleted (no cyber-pun there)

I knew The Sonic Screwdriver had a part in being able to defeat Cybermen. I wish they would put Gold as their weakness again and not make their voices sound worse than the first original Cybermen did.

its ok Mickey left. Sad how Rickey died. Poor ol' Pete. half-brained Rose! Why the heck does she just run off when The Doctor is warning them?! argh!

I have a relative that is atleast 2 or 3 that has John Lumic's smile which is very creepy. The Cybercontroller was awsome. When I spotted some "emotion" in his voice I thought "Wait. isnt he a Cyberman, too?" and when he was getting up yelling "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" I was like "OH NO! DONT GET UP! STAY THERE! RUN DOCTOR N' GANG! BURN YOU STUPID CYBERMAN, BURN!!!" and when he got on the ladder I about ran into the bathroom! my goodness was it scary!

When I saw the "empty" Cybermen on display in the zepplin, I thought it was the Proto-type Cyberman not Mondas. if it was Mondas/Telos then it would have looked diffrent and without the C on it's chest.

I was horrified by the Cybermen going insane and blowing up. I was very sad about Sunny The Cyberman. I have alot of sympathy for her. Same with Jackie the Cyberman and Pete's reaction. Very sad but really great how he got revenge by killing The Cybercontoller.

RTD needs to get the original Cybermen back and make the show more about The Doctor and not focus so much on the companions. I rate this as 10/10

Can't wait for the season finale.....

[Willow'sCat]

umm, ok someone has probably already thought of his, the baddie goes 'i have factories on 7 continents waiting....'

the 7th continent is antarctica. which is mostly unpopulated cept for scientists so how did he build a factory without folks knowing and why waste the resources on a factory when the continent has maybe a few hundred people at most,and that's only during the summer
You know it is an AU Earth, well it was when I watched it :P maybe Antarctica is different there, maybe it can be bought by people as apposed to shared by nations. Just a thought. ;)

[Thermonuclearboy]

By the way: Am I the only one who thinks the Cybermen are horribly designed? They walk way too slowly.

You and me both, friend. I don't know why people say these guys are better than the Borg. Give me the Borg over these goofballs any day.

[Madeleine]

umm, ok someone has probably already thought of his, the baddie goes 'i have factories on 7 continents waiting....'

the 7th continent is antarctica. which is mostly unpopulated cept for scientists so how did he build a factory without folks knowing and why waste the resources on a factory when the continent has maybe a few hundred people at most,and that's only during the summer

This is a parallel Earth, where Atlantis never sunk. The Atlanteans didn't contribute much to Earth's development, although there are many Airship factories there :)

[Kingomon]

It was a great ep. Shame about the cliffhanger tho asit was just resolved far too quickly.
But I loved this ep.
The Cyber Controller was so brilliant. He looked so call all shiny and with all those glowing lights. This ep was much more Darker then the first part and it helped change the mood.
They killed Rickey !!!! and Mickey ended up driving away in a van with that guy from Byker Grove.
Poor Jackie. She got Cybernised !!!!!!!!! I was like OMG at that point so crazy !!!!!
The Emotional Cybermen moment was so Cliché . Very Bride of Frankenstien but it worked anyway.
The Doctor did a little more this ep which was good. Although I didnt like how quickly the cliffhanger was resolved.
And Rose had her emotinal moments.
No Torchwood mentions this ep, Thats good since we had two last week.
Mickey was great in this ep finally living up to his potential. You kind of feel that its a shame he had to go. Oh well.
One Question... Why no Alternate Doctor ????
Next weeks ep looks well interesting Tv Monster people !!!.....
Well the Doctor said that it would end tonight so it did.

As for the AU Doctor I'm not sure it is poissble that there was one but didn't so up. But we have not seen the Time lord's world so maybe he is from another Demension with no AU after all he said that they could go to alternate only when the time lords controled it so maybe his race is one of a kind in all universes.

I liked this episode but what intrset me was the fact that there was a hole in space and time and when you go in there is an army of cybermen on the earth there. I wounder if a cyberman feel threw there to the that Au Earth.

Anyhow was it just me or does enemys the Doctor does not like at all a complex of of destroying things that are not of there make (Darlek Cyberman) and some times converting them to become just like them.

[Willow'sCat]

The Doctor would I assume need help from The Time Lords to enable him to appear in the same time line. Or some evil interfering device.

It has happened but I always assumed it was with The Time Lords consent or interference... I think in the 5 Doctors it was ultimately a Time Lord that brought them together.... So many episodes so much confusion. :P

Bottom line with Gallifrey presumed gone, and the rest of The Time Lords with it, he can't appear with himself even as a previous reincarnation. *I think* Oh and if you haven't seen Gallifrey you are not missing much. :P

And on the Cybermen, this version was not frightening at all, I thought they were fairly lame really, I was scared by the ones in Revenge of the Cybermen *which for some reason - location, location* I always confuse with "The Ark in Space" anyway I was a kid then... it didn't take much to scare me. ;)

[Major Tyler]

This was a awesome episode! The cybermen were Borg-creepy; basically they are (almost) invincible, but they have to touch you to hurt you. Lets you run away but that's about it. Still uber-creepy!

I loveloveloved Mickey to the rescue! He's one of my favourite characters on the show (along with Captain Jack). I always fall in with secondary characters and I don't really know why. I'm devastated that he's gone, but at least he has a purpose now. In my opinion, Rose treated him like a pet or something, and that's just not on. Jake will treat him way better than Rose ever did. You can see the love in his eyes. ;)

I hope we see Mickey again...maybe the Doctor in his reality will show up and make some magic happen.

[Mitchon]

I thoroughly enjoyed Age of steel and how they present the nature of the Cybermen is just scary, they are us, they are merely human beings transformed against their will by a madman.
The part where a cyberman looks into his own reflection and makes vocals that could be crying was one thing, but the EMPed one reverting to being a bride to be was really tugging at heart strings.

[gateship15]

guess it helped us see that that was it for the doctor when he talked to the cyberman said she was going to get married the next day i think we saw that the doctor no matter how alien he is didn't like what had happened. i also like the part when he was telling micky what to do by saying even an idiot could do it lol that was my fave part and this is one of my fave episodes

[maneth]

Great episode and great conclusion to the story. But yeah, the cybermen are clunky beyond words, worse even than the cylons in the original BSG.