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override367
April 13th, 2006, 12:05 PM
I wonder if it's possible the reason the O'ri haven't violated "the rules" is because that since their power is tied to their followers, they can't come over to MW and start lightning bolting Jaffa until they get enough followers over here giving them power. Kind of like the gods in the game Black&white.

We know that ascended ancients are capable of breaking the rules. I just saw a rerun of the one where they met O'ma and she destroyed an entire goa'uld army! So it doesn't make sense to me why the O'ri would obey the rules, after all they are evil. So it might be because they actually can't, any thoughts?

the fifth man
April 13th, 2006, 12:56 PM
Personally, I think that the Ori can leave their galaxy. I just don't think they want to get into a full-on conflict with the Ancients until they know they can win. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though.

metroid
April 13th, 2006, 01:13 PM
Personally, I think that the Ori can leave their galaxy. I just don't think they want to get into a full-on conflict with the Ancients until they know they can win. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though.

I think the ascended beings in the MW outnumber the Ori and they don't have enough power to overthrow them all yet.

JanusAncient
April 13th, 2006, 04:23 PM
If the fight was only between the Ancients and the Ori, the Ori probably would have come already, but since the Ancients have other ascended beings who follow them, the Ori are probably worried that they'll lose. Besides, the Ori wouldn't want to engage the Ancients in battle, for it to just end in a stalemate.

freyr's mother
April 13th, 2006, 04:25 PM
Personally, I think that the Ori can leave their galaxy. I just don't think they want to get into a full-on conflict with the Ancients until they know they can win. I guess we'll just have to wait and see though.

The ancients are babies and wont do anything. They were going to let anubis destroy the whole galaxy just to punish one of their own for stepping over the line.

NakedJehutyV2
April 13th, 2006, 05:19 PM
they can't but don't want to cuz the alterrans would own them

jenks
April 13th, 2006, 05:43 PM
If the fight was only between the Ancients and the Ori, the Ori probably would have come already, but since the Ancients have other ascended beings who follow them, the Ori are probably worried that they'll lose. Besides, the Ori wouldn't want to engage the Ancients in battle, for it to just end in a stalemate.

since when?

Avenger
April 13th, 2006, 09:27 PM
Why do people keep thinking the Ancient rules apply to the Ori?

jenks
April 13th, 2006, 09:49 PM
I wonder if it's possible the reason the O'ri haven't violated "the rules" is because that since their power is tied to their followers, they can't come over to MW and start lightning bolting Jaffa until they get enough followers over here giving them power. Kind of like the gods in the game Black&white.

We know that ascended ancients are capable of breaking the rules. I just saw a rerun of the one where they met O'ma and she destroyed an entire goa'uld army! So it doesn't make sense to me why the O'ri would obey the rules, after all they are evil. So it might be because they actually can't, any thoughts?

'The rules' aren't simply ascended rules, they were made up by the 'Others', the only reason ascended being don't interfere is because the other will intervene...

Chaos18
April 14th, 2006, 02:33 AM
remember the ancients have the extra abydonions that oma ascended so that is extra ppl for the ancients

Avenger
April 14th, 2006, 02:47 AM
We don't really know how many Ori or Ancients there are.

JanusAncient
April 14th, 2006, 02:58 AM
what if we find out that the Ori are the others, and everything they will tell us about the Ancients is true.

Aither
April 14th, 2006, 03:25 AM
And according to Oma Desala in "Threads", not all the Others are Ancients.

Avatar28
April 14th, 2006, 03:50 AM
what if we find out that the Ori are the others, and everything they will tell us about the Ancients is true.

Not gonna happen. Not in this show. They've been too busy building up the Ancients in a positive manner. Besides, the Ori's worship or die bit doesn't really support their being the good guys either.

JanusAncient
April 14th, 2006, 03:42 PM
who's talking about being the good guys, just the one's who are pulling the strings, making sure the Ancient's obey.

Welsh_Guy
April 14th, 2006, 03:44 PM
I think the Ori can't interfer with the Milky Way Galaxy because the Ascended Ancients stop them from forcing ppl to worship them as gods by using their rules of none interferance in Non Ascended humans.

-PITBULL-
April 16th, 2006, 11:16 PM
If you read the ARTICLE about - Wright: Adria is the Ori cheating - heres the LINK http://gateworld.net/news/2006/04/wrightadriaistheoricheatin.shtml they talk about why the Oricant some to are Galaxy .

What they talk about is how if the Ori come to the MW then the Ancients will be able to do something about them , but if the Ori dont do anything them selfs the Ancients cant act on what they are doing .

What they are saying is that Valas daughter is really an Ori , a human that is stuff with all the KNOWLEDGE that the Ori know or at least as much as they can put in a humans brain .

This lets the Ori attack the MW GALAXY with out having to ever leave there galaxy .

Avenger
April 16th, 2006, 11:50 PM
what if we find out that the Ori are the others, and everything they will tell us about the Ancients is true.


The "Others" are people Oma helped accend in recent time. The Ancients are the beings who accended back when their civilization was stricken with the plague.

bniblett
April 17th, 2006, 04:59 PM
what if we find out that the Ori are the others, and everything they will tell us about the Ancients is true.


maybe, but i assume if they knew daniel then, they would have figured out about the MW then, not in season 9. (3 episodes off i know, but still hah)

and, i personally think that the others are just humans that ascended over the ages.

JanusAncient
April 17th, 2006, 11:20 PM
I still don't think that they blocked the entire Milky Way galaxy from the Ori, just the humans of the Milky Way. And the others, they may not even be human, they are probably another set of ascended beings. I really don't like, that this show is trying to make it seem as though, humans are the only ones capable of ascending.

MarshAngel
April 18th, 2006, 06:47 AM
I still don't think that they blocked the entire Milky Way galaxy from the Ori, just the humans of the Milky Way. And the others, they may not even be human, they are probably another set of ascended beings. I really don't like, that this show is trying to make it seem as though, humans are the only ones capable of ascending.

You may not like it (I don't know that I'm a big fan of it either) but something tells me that's what was always the intention. The show is centered very much around humans. It seems majority of all civilizations are human. The oldest known civilization is human. Humans have the longest history on the show. I think it's the old scifi cliche that humans are extra special. I would like to think there are other ascended beings as well, but as a general rule, we humans like to make ourselves unique and with great potential.

I don't believe they blocked the knowledge of the galaxy either. At our current stage of development we can identify several nearby galaxies. The Ori would have known about the existence of any galaxies nearby or even moderately distant before they ascended. They probably just didn't know which one the Alterans went to and what they were doing while they were there.

Avatar28
April 18th, 2006, 09:44 PM
It's not the existance of our galaxy that was blocked, i'm sure the Ori were more than capable of seeing it. But rather the presence of humans in our galaxy.

the fifth man
April 18th, 2006, 09:46 PM
It's not the existance of our galaxy that was blocked, i'm sure the Ori were more than capable of seeing it. But rather the presence of humans in our galaxy.

That sounds pretty plausible to me.:)