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phikix
April 9th, 2006, 12:42 PM
will earth be able to built ships that are bigger then the size they are now? cause if it bigger then the ship sheild and weapons could be better.

IcyNeko
April 9th, 2006, 01:06 PM
I think there's been ample discussion on the topic of "If Earth had a bigger ship, it could have bigger and better shields and weapons". Namely that this has been proven wrong. Please take a read at those threads.

Where? Prometheus had asgard weapons installed, but not enough energy to power it up. Had they had a ZPM at the time, it would have been no problem. BUt both would not have required the ship to increase in size.

Will earth be able to create larger ships? Yes, but they would need a space-based fleet assembly yard after a while -- the ships would be too heavy in earth's gravity to stay in one piece. BUt can they do that without the world noticing that there's a space-based fleet facility? Probably not.

IcyNeko
April 9th, 2006, 01:06 PM
Oops.. Double post.

-PITBULL-
April 9th, 2006, 02:00 PM
Yes they could build biger ship with newer technolgy on it and better shields , but at this time we are still tring to learn the technolgy we have today . With use having an ANCIENT SHIP to learn more from we should be able to build better ships over all . The ORION doesnt have ZPM powering it so we could learn what they did to power up this massive ship , also we are still learning about Atlantis that has really great SHIELDS and WEAPONS that we still are learning about .

But yes i think by the time SEASON 10 or SG-1 and SEASON 3 of SG-A we will see some really cool ships that have some really great technolgy that evern the Ori are going to have some trouble with .

the fifth man
April 9th, 2006, 07:40 PM
Yes, we could build bigger ships. But personally, I think they need to focus on building better ships, not bigger ships.

The Prophet
April 9th, 2006, 07:47 PM
It's like Mobile Phones.


The Brick = Phoning = Bad

The Smaller Brick = Phoning & Answer Machine = Meh

The Neo-Brick = Phoning & Answer Machine & Texting = Yeah

The Average Phone = Phoning & Answer Machine & Texting & Games = Yay!

The Modern Phone = Phoning & Answer Machine & Texting & Games & Pictures = Wheee!

The Neo-Phone= Phoning & Answer Machine & Texting & Games & Pictures & Camera = Wow...

The Phone of the Future = Everything in the size of your Little Fingernail= Golly!
We don't want bigger ships, we want better, compact ships, like Mobile phones!

the fifth man
April 9th, 2006, 07:52 PM
And with better weapons and shield capabilities.

The Prophet
April 9th, 2006, 07:58 PM
And with better weapons and shield capabilities.

Mobile Phones with better weapons and shield capabilities? I thought they were High Tech already!

"With the bundle Package you get 1 years free supply of Texts & Drones plus you get 200mins free talk time & Shield Capabilities!" :D

Kanten
April 9th, 2006, 10:11 PM
I'm thinking they need to see if there's any information handy in the Atlantis database to help them with possibly reverse-engineering that Ori satellite weapon. After all, Tegalus doesn't really have much use for it anymore.

IcyNeko
April 9th, 2006, 10:16 PM
Yes they could build biger ship with newer technolgy on it and better shields , but at this time we are still tring to learn the technolgy we have today . With use having an ANCIENT SHIP to learn more from we should be able to build better ships over all . The ORION doesnt have ZPM powering it so we could learn what they did to power up this massive ship , also we are still learning about Atlantis that has really great SHIELDS and WEAPONS that we still are learning about.

This season? I... don't think that's likely. I mean, it's one thing to design all systems to handle a huge power load (Naquadah Generator), but it's totally different to reverse engineer the crystalline technology that the Ancients designed their tech with.. and then advance our current silicon technology up to that level. Especially in the midst of a war that we're currently losing. :)

We can study what the energy source on the Orion, but it'll be a long while before we can even begin to replicate that technology. That is to say... if Weir is still head of Atlantis. Notice how they haven't been pulling data out of the Atlantis databanks to figure how to make ZPMs, the specifics behind their weapons technology and such.

-PITBULL-
April 10th, 2006, 12:53 AM
This season? I... don't think that's likely. I mean, it's one thing to design all systems to handle a huge power load (Naquadah Generator), but it's totally different to reverse engineer the crystalline technology that the Ancients designed their tech with.. and then advance our current silicon technology up to that level. Especially in the midst of a war that we're currently losing. :)

We can study what the energy source on the Orion, but it'll be a long while before we can even begin to replicate that technology. That is to say... if Weir is still head of Atlantis. Notice how they haven't been pulling data out of the Atlantis databanks to figure how to make ZPMs, the specifics behind their weapons technology and such.

Who knows its really up to the WRITERS on this one , but if you look at HISTORY of these world . Most improvements happened burring a war . Planes Cars and other Vehicles where built up and made the more ADVANCEMENTS durring the wars .

If anything WARS have always helped out with are TECHNOLOGY , Do you really think we would have COMPUTERS if WW1 and 2 ever happened , NO . Couse we would have no need for them IN AIRPLANES or other VEHICLES .

But as far as SG-1 goes , i could se them making a NEWER BATTLE SHIP for the show , SOMETHING from ANCIENT DESIGN . If you watch the LAST show of SG-A they said in 1 month time they had the SHIP up and running , but not at 100% yet , if you give them time they would have the SHIP redy for any war , and at the same time taking the DESIGN to BUILD are own SHIPS from nothing . I would still say by the time this SEASON is over we will have more advance technology in the SHOW . That includes new ships and weapons to fight off the Ori and there Fleet .

IcyNeko
April 10th, 2006, 09:47 AM
THe first computer "bug" was found in 1945, near the end of WW2. The biggest jump in computer technology happened after war and wasn't directly tied to any armed aggression either.

As for repairing the ancient warships... it's a whole ton easier to repair a ship with their own components when we have a basic understanding of how it works, but to create it ourselves is a completely different story. We can make Earth-equivalent components (though much less efficient and oftentimes much bulkier than before), but creating a ship using ancient designs and ideas may still be too advanced for us.

Coutelier
April 11th, 2006, 01:57 AM
THe first computer "bug" was found in 1945, near the end of WW2. The biggest jump in computer technology happened after war and wasn't directly tied to any armed aggression either.

Nevertheless, radar, jet engines, rockets, atomic power and many more... wars have been the catalyst for many technological advancements. It's like the old cliche 'necessity is the mother of invention'.

stargate maniack
April 11th, 2006, 03:20 AM
they could built anancient satelite, like the one in atlantis' solar sistem...because they do have the skematics(they were able to find out from the database that it can be powered by a naquadah generator...)it's a perfect ideea...

Capricorn_One
April 11th, 2006, 05:25 AM
wht was tht ship called in "Enemsis" it had cool weapons, that phaser like from star trek which shoot all the shoots from SG-1's hatak. :D

Spin
April 11th, 2006, 07:47 AM
Yes, we could build bigger ships. But personally, I think they need to focus on building better ships, not bigger ships.

exactly

IcyNeko
April 11th, 2006, 08:57 AM
Nevertheless, radar, jet engines, rockets, atomic power and many more... wars have been the catalyst for many technological advancements. It's like the old cliche 'necessity is the mother of invention'.

Still... going from a Silicon-based processor design (our current technology) directly to crystalline processors and motherboards is too big of a jump. Japan's just now breaking through diamond-based processors, but even that's several years of R&D before they get it usable. And the rest of the components are still the same tech we're using nowadays. It's too much to jump to ancient-level tech within the span of a season. :)

It's like Jacob Carter has said quite a few times...

You can't just slap a US Air Force sticker on the side of a [Insert Higher-than-Earth-Level-Technology] and call it yours.

:D :D :D


I liek attanshun by reposting teh saem misspalled post from another thraed! OMG Pa done told me I need more Edjumakayshuunnn

Way to post off topic. I believe your question was answered in the thread from which it originated. And if the point of your questionw as whether or not we could build ships like that Replicator ship... we don't have a hold of that ship, and aren't able to reverse engineer it. So No.

Coutelier
April 11th, 2006, 10:48 AM
Still... going from a Silicon-based processor design (our current technology) directly to crystalline processors and motherboards is too big of a jump. Japan's just now breaking through diamond-based processors, but even that's several years of R&D before they get it usable. And the rest of the components are still the same tech we're using nowadays. It's too much to jump to ancient-level tech within the span of a season. :)

Oh yeah, I won't dispute that. It would take decades probably before we could begin to understand such advanced technology, unless we had an awful lot of help from the likes of the Asgard.

But it would be like the people who go to university and mess around the entire time, then try to cram four years of learning into two nights of frantic revision.

IcyNeko
April 11th, 2006, 11:37 AM
But it would be like the people who go to university and mess around the entire time, then try to cram four years of learning into two nights of frantic revision.
Are you stalking my post-college years at work? ;)

Kanten
April 14th, 2006, 02:24 PM
Definitely they need to work on the 'better technology' aspect of the ships before going up in size. Most importantly better weapons and shields that can survive more than 2 shots from an Ori warship.

We're definitely not going to want to be putting even more lives at risk with larger crews, especially following the events of Ethon and Camelot.

Cono9891
April 17th, 2006, 04:04 AM
I understand what your saying about the ancient crystals and how the technology we use the the moment won't work but we saw crystal technology on the Promethius and since their was no colour code (eg they were all clear) you have to assume they were producing them on earth. their are to many systems on board a BC-303 or 304 to use salvaged crystals. So if they could start producing crystal technology on earth and have enough to operate 3 BC-304s and have spairs and enough to begin production of 2 more on earth you can assume they have already looked into Ancient crystal technology.
They have had this technology since at least (you wold guess) windows of opertunity in the 4th sesion and now since they have seen it in action on Atlantis and in the altars in the milky way you have to speculate that Ancient crystal production is on the way.

*also note how Sam and visser could produce an ori dialing crystal to activate the supergate in the session 9 finally. so they must have a high knowladge of ancient crystal tech by now

Metonic
April 19th, 2006, 10:22 PM
They'll create the ships on other planets, to keep the rest of Earth from knowing. They'll create a space station just outside our solar system for docking n such. In range enough to beam back n fourth people to earth