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wowtokra
April 8th, 2006, 11:30 PM
So any of you think that when the Wraith come to this gallaxy they will get thier butts kicked and go back to Pegasus?
The wraith are nothing compared to the Ori, after watching the last episode of Atlantis again I noticed that when 2 wraith hive ships were firing on the Daedalus our shields were holding out so easy.
At least having the Ori in our galaxy prevents the wraith from dominating this gallaxy
the Ori cancel out the wraith and we in turn cancel out the Ori.

Eye Of Ra
April 9th, 2006, 07:34 AM
Yeah i agree but even if the ori were not in the milkyway the asgard would kick there ass

Dark Monarch
April 9th, 2006, 07:53 AM
The Wraith will never make it to our galaxy. They are an Atlantis foe and should be defeated in that shows storyline. To have them come here and get thier butts kicked by an SG-1 enemy would not be right for thier story and deminish both shows overall.

travis
April 9th, 2006, 08:22 AM
The Wraith will never make it to our galaxy. They are an Atlantis foe and should be defeated in that shows storyline. To have them come here and get thier butts kicked by an SG-1 enemy would not be right for thier story and deminish both shows overall.
Your quite right!:)

Rhire
April 9th, 2006, 09:13 AM
You're right but it would make one hell of battle to watch

wowtokra
April 9th, 2006, 10:13 AM
Wasn't it said that the wraith make it to our gallaxy in season 10? there would have to be some kind of battle between the Ori and Wraith. wraith want to feed humans and the Ori need the humans alive to gain power.

Peoples_General
April 10th, 2006, 09:39 PM
The Wraith will never make it to our galaxy. They are an Atlantis foe and should be defeated in that shows storyline. To have them come here and get thier butts kicked by an SG-1 enemy would not be right for thier story and deminish both shows overall.

Exactly HOW will it "deminish" either shows? This is the StarGate universe afterall. Therefore the races that belong in the StarGate universe should be able to come to contact with one another at some point in either storyline.

Although, unlike most other sci-fi, SG is more expansive as it's in multiple galaxies, instead of just 1 or 2 like Star Trek or Babylon 5. So they (Ori & Wraith) can stay separate and not come into a first contact situation with each other for a while.

Deminish.... Well, it's not like the Vorlons, Dominion, Mon Calamari, and Cylons are going to appear and battle it out against some Ha'Taks. Now, that would deminish the StarGate shows.

jenks
April 10th, 2006, 10:11 PM
So any of you think that when the Wraith come to this gallaxy they will get thier butts kicked and go back to Pegasus?
The wraith are nothing compared to the Ori, after watching the last episode of Atlantis again I noticed that when 2 wraith hive ships were firing on the Daedalus our shields were holding out so easy.
At least having the Ori in our galaxy prevents the wraith from dominating this gallaxy
the Ori cancel out the wraith and we in turn cancel out the Ori.

Personally I'd like to see an Ori/Wraith battle, but I think TPTB will want to keep the storylines seperate... If it does happen I think it would have to be an SG-1 ep...

override367
April 11th, 2006, 01:05 AM
Wraith hive ship drops out of hyperspace, and is hailed by the nearest vessel.

"Hallowed are the Ori, serve not the evildoers and you shall be spared."

Wraith respond with weapons fire

Wraith are destroyed by beam weapons 2.3 seconds later


Yea I like this idea :D

somethinghuman
April 11th, 2006, 03:13 AM
Wraith hive ship drops out of hyperspace, and is hailed by the nearest vessel.

"Hallowed are the Ori, serve not the evildoers and you shall be spared."

Wraith respond with weapons fire

Wraith are destroyed by beam weapons 2.3 seconds later


Yea I like this idea :D

LOL:D it really wouldn't be a fare fight, it would all be over so quickly. I don't think that one Wraith ship poses a big threat anyway, too far beneath the Ori.

Dark Monarch
April 11th, 2006, 04:33 AM
Exactly HOW will it "deminish" either shows? This is the StarGate universe afterall. Therefore the races that belong in the StarGate universe should be able to come to contact with one another at some point in either storyline.

Although, unlike most other sci-fi, SG is more expansive as it's in multiple galaxies, instead of just 1 or 2 like Star Trek or Babylon 5. So they (Ori & Wraith) can stay separate and not come into a first contact situation with each other for a while.

Deminish.... Well, it's not like the Vorlons, Dominion, Mon Calamari, and Cylons are going to appear and battle it out against some Ha'Taks. Now, that would deminish the StarGate shows.






If the Atlantis crew fail in stopping The Wraith and then The Wraith get thier asses kick by The Ori who in turn get stopped by SG-1 it builds up the Ori threat but trashes The Wraith threat at the same time. It also down the road makes SG-1 look like saviors and the Atlantis Crew look like a bunch of incompetent losers.

It would pretty much builds up SG-1 and makes Atlantis look like the Black Sheep of the Stargate Universe.

immhotep
April 11th, 2006, 04:41 AM
i think the wraith should get woopassed by the ori, and thwen the asurians take their places and put up a front worthy of what we should be doing in our own galaxy against the ori, apart of the asgard the asurians might just be the only race advanced enough to stop the ori, i would have put my money of the replicators kicking their ass by the asurians will do just as nicely.

Da Vikster the Ori
April 11th, 2006, 07:35 AM
Hehehe

I think that the wraith wouldnt stand a chance. They are sending 2 hives to the milky way from what we saw, and the ori have 4 already, so that puts the mat a disadvantage. Not to mention the fact that the wraith dont have shields.....

I doubt that the wraith would manage to take out any ori ships.....

*Crash*
April 11th, 2006, 10:00 AM
never know

the wraith might have taken a wrong turn somewhere, or set off in the wrong direction and appear in a completly different galaxy :D

Or as they hyperspace out, crash into an asteroid like 2 meters infront of them :P

Or you never know, hyperspace out in our galaxy, just infront of the supergate, and before they have time to react its origin and prayers all the way in the Orii galaxy.

Excellion_razor
April 11th, 2006, 10:50 AM
So any of you think that when the Wraith come to this gallaxy they will get thier butts kicked and go back to Pegasus?
The wraith are nothing compared to the Ori, after watching the last episode of Atlantis again I noticed that when 2 wraith hive ships were firing on the Daedalus our shields were holding out so easy.
At least having the Ori in our galaxy prevents the wraith from dominating this gallaxy
the Ori cancel out the wraith and we in turn cancel out the Ori.


Don't forget that the Wraith made the Acients tuck thier tails and run back to the MW galaxy. If the Wraith do face off against one of the Ori ships and are easily defeated, then the Ancient ship Orion or of that class have no chance against Ori class ships. The Wraith are the ones that damaged the Orion. I would like to think that the Wraith should be able to put up a fight against the Ori. If they don't, it doesn't look like any ship of Ancient origin that SG-1 finds in the MW or elsewhere would be of much help (if they do find one or even a hundred). I know that the Ancients in the Pegasus galaxy lost the war primarily due to the Wraiths overall #'s, but in one of the SGA episodes it does state that never bfr had the Ancients encountered a race with technology that rivaled their own. Even if the Wraith Hives don't have shields, they must be able to take a couple of blasts from an Ancient war vessel, or the Lantians shld have eaisly have defeated them, regardless of #'s. I do believe that the Wraiths will make it to the MW, however I think the key to stopping them is not the Ori. I believe that the info that the wraith gave to us will be made to work against them. Mckay and the asgard (Lomi or Hermes was his name O me thinks) will develope a counter measure to the Wraiths jamming technology and transmit the data back to Earth, or the Daedalus will race home and beat the Wraith back to Earth and finish them off with two mark-10 gatebuster nukes. Thoughts?

Peoples_General
April 11th, 2006, 11:32 AM
We still dunno if the Wraith did that all on their own. For all we know they may have gotten help from the Asurans.

Dark Monarch
April 11th, 2006, 11:37 AM
Don't forget that the Wraith made the Acients tuck thier tails and run back to the MW galaxy. If the Wraith do face off against one of the Ori ships and are easily defeated, then the Ancient ship Orion or of that class have no chance against Ori class ships. The Wraith are the ones that damaged the Orion. I would like to think that the Wraith should be able to put up a fight against the Ori. If they don't, it doesn't look like any ship of Ancient origin that SG-1 finds in the MW or elsewhere would be of much help (if they do find one or even a hundred). I know that the Ancients in the Pegasus galaxy lost the war primarily due to the Wraiths overall #'s, but in one of the SGA episodes it does state that never bfr had the Ancients encountered a race with technology that rivaled their own. Even if the Wraith Hives don't have shields, they must be able to take a couple of blasts from an Ancient war vessel, or the Lantians shld have eaisly have defeated them, regardless of #'s. I do believe that the Wraiths will make it to the MW, however I think the key to stopping them is not the Ori. I believe that the info that the wraith gave to us will be made to work against them. Mckay and the asgard (Lomi or Hermes was his name O me thinks) will develope a counter measure to the Wraiths jamming technology and transmit the data back to Earth, or the Daedalus will race home and beat the Wraith back to Earth and finish them off with two mark-10 gatebuster nukes. Thoughts?


Well the Hologram said "Powers that rivaled thier own". I think it was talking about the Wraiths ability to drain the lifeforce from living beings. In Lost City O'neill uses the healing power of the Ancients to save Bra'tac's life.
In that way The Wraiths powers is the equal and the opposite of the Ancients.

The Ancients had much better tech but they where very few and The Wraith overwhelmed them by sheer numbers. Think of it this way. The Ancients are a Lion and The Wraith are ants. In a one on one battle the Lion can win with no effort but if the Lion is faced with 500,000 ants the Lion will fight and kill many ants but sooner or later that ants will wear the lion down and take him out no matter how big or strong the lion is.

override367
April 11th, 2006, 12:53 PM
We know the Wraith won, but we don't know how many losses they took.


I would be willing to bet they are merely a shadow of their former selves, they cant even repair their own ships anymore.

rarocks24
April 11th, 2006, 01:02 PM
We still dunno if the Wraith did that all on their own. For all we know they may have gotten help from the Asurans.
That is actually a very good point. We don't know much about the war between the Ancients and the Wraith to tell whether the Wraith did it all by themselves. We also don't know much about the Wraith, either...

Excellion_razor
April 11th, 2006, 02:31 PM
We still dunno if the Wraith did that all on their own. For all we know they may have gotten help from the Asurans.


Who are the Asurans? Are they the new threat to Atlantis in season 3?

the fifth man
April 11th, 2006, 02:34 PM
Who are the Asurans? Are they the new threat to Atlantis in season 3?

It would appear so.

Excellion_razor
April 11th, 2006, 02:56 PM
Well the Hologram said "Powers that rivaled thier own". I think it was talking about the Wraiths ability to drain the lifeforce from living beings. In Lost City O'neill uses the healing power of the Ancients to save Bra'tac's life.
In that way The Wraiths powers is the equal and the opposite of the Ancients.

The Ancients had much better tech but they where very few and The Wraith overwhelmed them by sheer numbers. Think of it this way. The Ancients are a Lion and The Wraith are ants. In a one on one battle the Lion can win with no effort but if the Lion is faced with 500,000 ants the Lion will fight and kill many ants but sooner or later that ants will wear the lion down and take him out no matter how big or strong the lion is.


That very well may be true. The lion vs. the ants is a good analogy. I still feel that the wraith shld be able to put up a better fight against the Ori than the MW species have to this point. And shields aside, the Wraith ships still have to have some sort of defense, or the Ancients would blast the hive ships to pieces very easily. The Wraiths must of had hundreds if not thousands of hives/other battle ships, or the Ancients had very few war class ships (which cld be the case). However, the Ancients shld have been able to build a fleet rather quickly with their level of tech if that is the case. At this point I think we have been told there are around 60 hive ships. That is not a rather large number by any means. If there were indeed hundreds if not thousands of Wraith ships, the Ancients gave them a hell of a fight, or someone else did after the Ancients left. It will be intresting to see how the writers reveal details of the past war between the Wraith/Ancients in future episodes. If the Ori and Wraith due clash the writers have a challange ahead of them in making sure that the ancients are not made to look like weak fools. They have little choice but to make the Wraith at least take a few shots from the Ori beam weapon bfr bowing out. I however don't see the current Wraith weapons penetrating the Ori shields with only two ships. That is if only two ships arrive.

Dark Monarch
April 12th, 2006, 04:58 AM
That very well may be true. The lion vs. the ants is a good analogy. I still feel that the wraith shld be able to put up a better fight against the Ori than the MW species have to this point. And shields aside, the Wraith ships still have to have some sort of defense, or the Ancients would blast the hive ships to pieces very easily. The Wraiths must of had hundreds if not thousands of hives/other battle ships, or the Ancients had very few war class ships (which cld be the case). However, the Ancients shld have been able to build a fleet rather quickly with their level of tech if that is the case. At this point I think we have been told there are around 60 hive ships. That is not a rather large number by any means. If there were indeed hundreds if not thousands of Wraith ships, the Ancients gave them a hell of a fight, or someone else did after the Ancients left. It will be intresting to see how the writers reveal details of the past war between the Wraith/Ancients in future episodes. If the Ori and Wraith due clash the writers have a challange ahead of them in making sure that the ancients are not made to look like weak fools. They have little choice but to make the Wraith at least take a few shots from the Ori beam weapon bfr bowing out. I however don't see the current Wraith weapons penetrating the Ori shields with only two ships. That is if only two ships arrive.


I agree! The story of the war has not been told so all we can to is guess as to what happened.

The low-end tech of the Wraith is a mystery. No shields is a big disadvantage and one only overcome if The Wraith had hundreds of times more ships then The Ancients to use as canon fodder.

Maybe The Wraith won the war but it cost them dearly for that victory and now they have been brought down to only 60 ships where in the past they had many more.

Prior_of_the_Ori
April 12th, 2006, 07:32 AM
Who knows. The Wraith organic armour technology could perhaps take more hits then normal as shield technology isnt the ultimate defensive mechanism (ori are an exception) I mean a few drones took out a ha'tak ship which i think is a lot larger then a wraith cruiser which took a hit but survived.

Also on Asurans:
They appear in season three's Progency episode and those interested can read the spoilers, they are the new enemy against the Atlantis expedition.

Excellion_razor
April 12th, 2006, 09:31 AM
Who knows. The Wraith organic armour technology could perhaps take more hits then normal as shield technology isnt the ultimate defensive mechanism (ori are an exception) I mean a few drones took out a ha'tak ship which i think is a lot larger then a wraith cruiser which took a hit but survived.

Also on Asurans:
They appear in season three's Progency episode and those interested can read the spoilers, they are the new enemy against the Atlantis expedition.

Ya,who knows the Wraith organic armor may provide the ability to absorb and re-channel energy based weapon blasts that may enhance their own weapons. Another possibility is that the armor may provide a dampening field that negates or diminishes any energy based weapons. We have yet to see that Wraith ships in a conflict with energy based weapons, being that the daedalus only has rail guns and icbm nukes. Just an idea.

immhotep
April 12th, 2006, 09:51 AM
the wraith have no chance at all against the ori, sure they have numbers...ish, but lets consider this, we mustered the largest fleet we could and couldnt destroy 1 ship, that IMO is why the wraith dont have a chance. the asgard, tokra, jaffa, tauri and lucian allience..the coalition of the most warlike and stragetic minds in the galaxy couldnt defeat 1 ship, let alone 4...if the ori come to us were screwed if they go to atlantis the wraith should run as fast as their puny hyperdrives can go.

rising-solid
April 12th, 2006, 02:33 PM
well those anyone considere tha if the wraith those make it to are galaxy and start feading human worlds under ori control the ship ori arrive and destroy the wraith ships BUT the ori would like to no were those ships came from and they discover is came from pegasus and decide to send the prior there if this happens it will cause a whole new trouble in the pegasus galaxie i no tbp whole never do tha but it just a fought..

Excellion_razor
April 13th, 2006, 07:13 AM
the wraith have no chance at all against the ori, sure they have numbers...ish, but lets consider this, we mustered the largest fleet we could and couldnt destroy 1 ship, that IMO is why the wraith dont have a chance. the asgard, tokra, jaffa, tauri and lucian allience..the coalition of the most warlike and stragetic minds in the galaxy couldnt defeat 1 ship, let alone 4...if the ori come to us were screwed if they go to atlantis the wraith should run as fast as their puny hyperdrives can go.



Don't forget the Wraith did pretty well against the Ancients with their numbers. If the Wraith did decide to come w/a significant force they cld put up a pretty good fight. I still feel they wld be defeated in the end. I think the tech on the Ori ships is post ascention. In the end I think the difference between the Ancients and the Ori is that the Ori will send what it takes to make their enemies bow bfr them. I don't think the Ancient Lantians were as commited to the Pegasus galaxy as the Ori are to the MW.

Oh, and the fleet that the MW races formed was pretty weak minus the one O'neill class Asgard ship. The Wraith would have no problems taking on the Gould ships. The Asgard ship, as well as the Asgard shields on the Earth ships wld be the only challenge that the MW spp could muster at this point.

immhotep
April 13th, 2006, 02:31 PM
yes the wraith did wel agaisnt the ancients...due to numbers!
HELLO there are 6 billion humans just on earth, potentiall trillions of jaffa and human in our galaxy, and the same in the ori galaxy...numbers isnt a tactic the wraith can use in our galaxy they could wraithify the entire PG and then move them all in to our galaxy, the entire population and still be outnumbers 10:1.
also i dont think the wraith have that great a change against any ship in the MW, earth,asgard, goauld or orii, we all have shields and energy weapons that rival, outdo or can hold out against them, if the wraith come they will be anihalated pure and simple, it wont even be a great fight. Same unfirtunatly for the ori, just were on the losing side.

alteraan
April 13th, 2006, 10:21 PM
yeah, i like very much to see a battle between ORI and Wraith.

Avenger
April 14th, 2006, 02:51 AM
So any of you think that when the Wraith come to this gallaxy they will get thier butts kicked and go back to Pegasus?


What makes you think the Warith will actually get to the MW?

immhotep
April 14th, 2006, 04:56 AM
allies...

PG15
April 14th, 2006, 03:23 PM
allies...

Which showed them leaving Pegasus. There's still a big gap between that and the MW.

immhotep
April 14th, 2006, 03:47 PM
Yeah, i dont know how they think were supposed to believe that it wont take over a centurie on the wraith hyperdrive to get to our galaxy. The goauld, whos hyperdrive is WAY faster than the wraith needed a supernova to get out of our galaxy and 125 years to get back, we only take 18 day because we have the fastest hyperdrives in the universe to play with. The wriath barely have a hyperdrive, we should be giving them the address to earth, to all of them, by the time they get there the galaxy will be free from them and atlantis will have all the ZPM's,anceint warships and deadalus's that are in the PG back to our galaxy waiting for them.

wowtokra
April 15th, 2006, 01:55 AM
The Wraith have the info from the Auroa reports meaning they now know how to modify thier hyperdrives to travel between gallaxies. doubt it would take them long seeing as Shepard, Mckay and Ronan are on the ships.

Lord Insanity
April 16th, 2006, 07:35 PM
The weakness with the Ori is there need to depend on human life force to survive. The Wraith would keep coming. no matter how powerful you are..you can be overwhelmed by numbers