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Amanda Eros
March 30th, 2006, 05:49 PM
Does anyone have any ideas why the Orii would have chosen Vala to have their Oracle baby? That's a pretty big risk on their part, yeah I know it is a plot device for tptb, but think of it. Vala is very much against the Orii coming to power in the Milky Way. Since the Oracle is her daughter couldn't she have some influence over her? Perhaps even turn her? Or were they hoping the daughter would convince the mother? Or perhaps they want the Oracle to become more convicted when she finds out that her Mom is a cheep, thieving, well you know. What do you think?

Lida
March 30th, 2006, 05:59 PM
Does anyone have any ideas why the Orii would have chosen Vala to have their Oracle baby? That's a pretty big risk on their part, yeah I know it is a plot device for tptb, but think of it. Vala is very much against the Orii coming to power in the Milky Way. Since the Oracle is her daughter couldn't she have some influence over here? Perhaps even turn her? Or were they hoping the daughter would convince the mother? Or perhaps they want the Oracle to become more convicted when she finds out that her Mom is a cheep, thieving, well you know. What do you think?

Well you have some very good ideas as to why the Ori chose Vala as the vessel for the Oracle, however I have to take exception to your last line. Vala is not a cheap, thieving, "you know what".....she saved us from the original Ori attempt of building the giant gate, and tried to stop the invasion force. Please try to remember that Vala was the host to a Goa'uld, and that is more than enough to change anyone. I think she has proven her worth to the Tauri and to SG-1. But that's just my opinion.....I know everyone on the Forum has many opinions about Vala, and that's fine. It wouldn't be much fun to discuss things if we all agreed, right? :)

KillerMercury
March 30th, 2006, 06:36 PM
There was also the possibility that Vala might've found a way to return to the Milky Way before she found out she's preggers. That way, they've had their greatest weapon in enemy territory before they even realized it.

the fifth man
March 30th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Well you have some very good ideas as to why the Ori chose Vala as the vessel for the Oracle, however I have to take exception to your last line. Vala is not a cheap, thieving, "you know what".....she saved us from the original Ori attempt of building the giant gate, and tried to stop the invasion force. Please try to remember that Vala was the host to a Goa'uld, and that is more than enough to change anyone. I think she has proven her worth to the Tauri and to SG-1. But that's just my opinion.....I know everyone on the Forum has many opinions about Vala, and that's fine. It wouldn't be much fun to discuss things if we all agreed, right? :)

I pretty much agree with you, Lida. Vala has come a long way in her short time on the show. And I expect that transformation to continue in season 10. In the end, I think she will prove to be an indispensible ally.:)

Skydiver
March 30th, 2006, 06:44 PM
maybe it's part of a plan to quell resisitence....depend on a parent's love for their child to 'turn' the rebels???

(although, i doubt the boys thought that far ahead, it is just a plot device brought about by CB's real life situation. the actress was pregnant, they wanted her in the eps, apparantly didn't want to shoot around baby, thus made the show fit the baby)

ToasterOnFire
March 30th, 2006, 06:46 PM
I also don't know why the Ori would willingly impregnate an unbeliever with their SuperBaby (TM). It's either an obvious logical inconsistency TPTB put in just to write CB's pregnancy into the show or there is a reason and it will be explained in season 10. I'm leaning toward the former but will hold out for the latter.

Amanda Eros
March 30th, 2006, 07:02 PM
Yes, she was a host to a Gau'old, but didn't she also keep acting like one afterwards too? Even had an outfit made so that she could sound like one, then there was the whole Ties that Bind that she stole the necklace from the guy who she also stole those bracelets from, that she was sleeping with for a while. In order to get treasure by tricking Daniel. Whom she met when she stole a ship that she left it's crew for dead in order to make a good profit.

She basically saved everyone from that first super gate because she was annoyed that everyone was ignoring her. She went over to the other ship to prove that she had an idea and basically said, "I told you so" to Daniel. She didn't plan to get tossed into the other galaxy, that happened by chance.

If Vala has proven anything to us, is that she is very resourceful. She is an extremely good actress and is completely capable of manipulating a situation to her advantage. Just look at the tavern scene when her husband found her at the communication device. I don't think she's changed very much. The Orii pose a threat to her life style, and she has been biding her time trying to figure out what to do. Besides after looking at her history, what should her daughter think about her. Yes mom was in a bad situation, she got out of it and was given a second chance. What did she do with that second chance?

ReganX
March 30th, 2006, 07:16 PM
(although, i doubt the boys thought that far ahead, it is just a plot device brought about by CB's real life situation. the actress was pregnant, they wanted her in the eps, apparantly didn't want to shoot around baby, thus made the show fit the baby)

You've hit the nail on the head.

Piratejenna
March 30th, 2006, 10:27 PM
Does anyone have any ideas why the Orii would have chosen Vala to have their Oracle baby? That's a pretty big risk on their part, yeah I know it is a plot device for tptb, but think of it. Vala is very much against the Orii coming to power in the Milky Way. Since the Oracle is her daughter couldn't she have some influence over her? Perhaps even turn her? Or were they hoping the daughter would convince the mother? Or perhaps they want the Oracle to become more convicted when she finds out that her Mom is a cheep, thieving, well you know. What do you think?
You're right that it started as a plot device, but I think it can be rationalised in a couple of ways. Firstly, the Ori are all about Power. Implanting the 'unworthy unbeliever' is an ultimate expression of power. They're treating Vala as a host, to be used and thrown away, in the same way that the Goa'uld used her as a host. I'm hoping that's an angle that will feed into Vala's psychological reaction to what's happened to her.

Secondly, there's an obvious story reason why the Ori chose Vala in particular: Daniel. The Ori know that Vala is somehow connected to Daniel, and his reaction to the burning would suggest to the Ori that she matters to him. Daniel is the one who stood up to them and confronted them with his belief in Free Will. The Ori may also know, or sense, that he was once ascended. They see Daniel as a threat. In a sense, they may have invaded Vala's Free Will in order to get to Daniel.

Peoples_General
March 31st, 2006, 12:01 AM
You're right that it started as a plot device, but I think it can be rationalised in a couple of ways. Firstly, the Ori are all about Power. Implanting the 'unworthy unbeliever' is an ultimate expression of power. They're treating Vala as a host, to be used and thrown away, in the same way that the Goa'uld used her as a host. I'm hoping that's an angle that will feed into Vala's psychological reaction to what's happened to her.

Secondly, there's an obvious story reason why the Ori chose Vala in particular: Daniel. The Ori know that Vala is somehow connected to Daniel, and his reaction to the burning would suggest to the Ori that she matters to him. Daniel is the one who stood up to them and confronted them with his belief in Free Will. The Ori may also know, or sense, that he was once ascended. They see Daniel as a threat. In a sense, they may have invaded Vala's Free Will in order to get to Daniel.

Good idea!

TjomasC
March 31st, 2006, 04:01 AM
I'm guessing that it could be about Daniel as well... remember, the Ori didn't look that very keen on somone who fights with their own weapons (the book of origin), and actually makes some sense... he's a threat... and since Vala was with him, they know that if they can get to her, they could possibly get to him.

valaCB
March 31st, 2006, 05:14 AM
You're right that it started as a plot device, but I think it can be rationalised in a couple of ways. Firstly, the Ori are all about Power. Implanting the 'unworthy unbeliever' is an ultimate expression of power. They're treating Vala as a host, to be used and thrown away, in the same way that the Goa'uld used her as a host. I'm hoping that's an angle that will feed into Vala's psychological reaction to what's happened to her.

Secondly, there's an obvious story reason why the Ori chose Vala in particular: Daniel. The Ori know that Vala is somehow connected to Daniel, and his reaction to the burning would suggest to the Ori that she matters to him. Daniel is the one who stood up to them and confronted them with his belief in Free Will. The Ori may also know, or sense, that he was once ascended. They see Daniel as a threat. In a sense, they may have invaded Vala's Free Will in order to get to Daniel.

Maybe and also beeing a host to a Gau'old in her past will make the child even more stronger??? could it be? :cameronanime08b:

Formerhost
March 31st, 2006, 05:24 AM
Well you have some very good ideas as to why the Ori chose Vala as the vessel for the Oracle, however I have to take exception to your last line. Vala is not a cheap, thieving, "you know what".....she saved us from the original Ori attempt of building the giant gate, and tried to stop the invasion force. Please try to remember that Vala was the host to a Goa'uld, and that is more than enough to change anyone. I think she has proven her worth to the Tauri and to SG-1. But that's just my opinion.....I know everyone on the Forum has many opinions about Vala, and that's fine. It wouldn't be much fun to discuss things if we all agreed, right? :)

Agree completely. BTW, the fact that Vala used to be a Goa'uld host may be quite important here, the naquadah in her blood and ability to use Goa'uld technology. She may pass some of it to her daughter.

Formerhost
March 31st, 2006, 05:26 AM
Yes, she was a host to a Gau'old, but didn't she also keep acting like one afterwards too? Even had an outfit made so that she could sound like one, then there was the whole Powers that Be that she stole the necklace from the guy who she also stole those bracelets from, that she was sleeping with for a while.

Yeah, right, in his dreams... :p

BTW, it was The Ties That Bind, not The Powers That Be. Don't confuse episodes.

Arative
March 31st, 2006, 05:28 AM
Maybe and also beeing a host to a Gau'old in her past will make the child even more stronger??? could it be? :cameronanime08b:

Thats what I was thinking, we've seen that former hosts retain the memories of their symbiote, so its possible that the Ori used Vala because she knows things about the milky way galaxy that no Ori follower would know and she would pass that on to her child in the form of genetic memory.

Gaeth
March 31st, 2006, 06:06 AM
I have an idea. Daniel was once ascended, and as we have seen before he has retained some of those memories of being ascended. Next, there is the connection that Vala and Daniel had. There could possibly be some sort of bleed through effect of sub-conscious (non-Ori) ascended knowledge and that might be why they chose Vala. Plus, all that Goa’uld racial memory and naquadah blood couldn’t hurt. It is also possible that it has something to do with her just being from the Milky Way, something to do with Ascended Being rules of conduct.

eri-chan
March 31st, 2006, 06:40 AM
all these ideas sound really interesting :daniel:

i think maybe she was planted with the baby because it'd probably be most safest in her. she's resourceful and has threatening/powerful (if you wanna call the tauri that) allies. she's not one to die easy and not a person the sgc would kill off or something. maybe season 10 will show us the reason why vala was chosen...

FallenAngelII
March 31st, 2006, 07:03 AM
The Ori seem to be able to predict the future somewhat, just like that slut in "Epiphany". Her powers were limited, however, and so seem theirs.

For one thing, they didn't originally locate Daniel and Vala when they first came to their galaxy and they didn't predict their 1st Beachead to be destroyed.

Or maybe they predicted the beachead and it was all part of their grand design. Because they knew Vala would be with those two poor people who got killed and that Tomin would be there to kill them. That's why the Prior first said that the child is the "Will of the Ori" and then didn't tell him to kill Vala.

With this, Vala was able to get Tomin to not kill her by pointing how how the Prior hadn't said that she'd be there (because she'd been, hah, kidnapped) and that she was afraid because the Prior had said that the baby had been the "Will of the Ori".

So they probably knew she'd make it back to the Milky Way. However, they probably don't know what will happen their. Their pre-cognition might be limited to the area they are in.

GateMan2000
March 31st, 2006, 07:07 AM
She is hot!

Neutschi
March 31st, 2006, 07:19 AM
She is hot!


yeah 20 years ago

Formerhost
March 31st, 2006, 07:33 AM
yeah 20 years ago

Uhm, excuse me? :mckay: Claudia is 33 years old only. She's younger than Amanda Tapping.

Hubble
March 31st, 2006, 07:48 AM
maybe it's part of a plan to quell resisitence....depend on a parent's love for their child to 'turn' the rebels???

(although, i doubt the boys thought that far ahead, it is just a plot device brought about by CB's real life situation. the actress was pregnant, they wanted her in the eps, apparantly didn't want to shoot around baby, thus made the show fit the baby)

My feelings exactly; nothing more than a plot device. Think no deeper.

valaCB
March 31st, 2006, 08:08 AM
She is hot!
Very. lots of proves!
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=11507&page=201

Formerhost
March 31st, 2006, 08:09 AM
My feelings exactly; nothing more than a plot device. Think no deeper.

Why? Are you in writers' heads?

Hubble
March 31st, 2006, 08:30 AM
Why? Are you in writers' heads?


Did I not say *my" feelings? That means "In My Opinion."

Chevron Zero
March 31st, 2006, 08:59 AM
Although there is no plausible reason for it, maybe because she's from the Milky Way, not the Ori galaxy. Maybe all the followers of the Ori will pull a War of the Worlds and be susceptible to our Milky Way germs, and having superbaby via Vala vests the vile villain with an antivirus.

Lord Shiva
March 31st, 2006, 04:19 PM
Does anyone have any ideas why the Orii would have chosen Vala to have their Oracle baby? That's a pretty big risk on their part, yeah I know it is a plot device for tptb, but think of it. Vala is very much against the Orii coming to power in the Milky Way. Since the Oracle is her daughter couldn't she have some influence over her? Perhaps even turn her? Or were they hoping the daughter would convince the mother? Or perhaps they want the Oracle to become more convicted when she finds out that her Mom is a cheep, thieving, well you know. What do you think?

Maybe she thinks it's an Ori's child... maybe she and Teal'c just got drunk a while back and, well, you know.

Amanda Eros
March 31st, 2006, 04:30 PM
Although there is no plausible reason for it, maybe because she's from the Milky Way, not the Ori galaxy. Maybe all the followers of the Ori will pull a War of the Worlds and be susceptible to our Milky Way germs, and having superbaby via Vala vests the vile villain with an antivirus.

Though I think that the Prior's staff can take care of that. Oh, and does she really have Naquida in her blood? The Gao'uld didn't die and break down in her system, it was removed by the To'kra. Even though she was blended with the Gao'uld. Does that blending cause naquida to go into her blood?

Gaeth
March 31st, 2006, 06:40 PM
Though I think that the Prior's staff can take care of that. Oh, and does she really have Naquida in her blood? The Gao'uld didn't die and break down in her system, it was removed by the To'kra. Even though she was blended with the Gao'uld. Does that blending cause naquida to go into her blood?

I suppose having a Goa’uld for a certain amount of time could allow naquada to build up in the host's system. She definitely does have naquada in her blood or she wouldn't be able to use those handy Goa'uld devices.

KillerMercury
March 31st, 2006, 07:44 PM
Did I not say *my" feelings? That means "In My Opinion."

Yes, but then you said "Think no deeper." You're implying that your opinion is the end of the conversation. Who knows, maybe there's a side of this story the producers will never tell us.

Hubble
March 31st, 2006, 09:54 PM
Yes, but then you said "Think no deeper." You're implying that your opinion is the end of the conversation.


Actually no, I wasn't implying that my opinion is the end of the conversation since I do realize I can't control the conversations on a forum ;-) But to clarify for you, IMO, it is no deeper than that.


Who knows, maybe there's a side of this story the producers will never tell us.


Of that, I have do doubt. IMO, they are very good at having things just happen without explaining why.

Peoples_General
April 1st, 2006, 10:20 PM
I think the simplest answer to this thread's question is:

The flaming Ori skull thought Vala was HOT!

KillerMercury
April 2nd, 2006, 06:45 PM
:lol:

the fifth man
April 2nd, 2006, 07:27 PM
I think the simplest answer to this thread's question is:

The flaming Ori skull thought Vala was HOT!

Ah, so that's the reason. Thanks for clarifying.:D

FallenAngelII
April 2nd, 2006, 11:58 PM
Maybe she thinks it's an Ori's child... maybe she and Teal'c just got drunk a while back and, well, you know.

That would make an excellent plot device.


Though I think that the Prior's staff can take care of that. Oh, and does she really have Naquida in her blood? The Gao'uld didn't die and break down in her system, it was removed by the To'kra. Even though she was blended with the Gao'uld. Does that blending cause naquida to go into her blood?

As the body usually doesn't absorb random elements and put it into one's bloodstream indefinately, I'd say the symbiote does something to your body and injects it with Nahquadah while it's inside of you.

How else would a host be able to use Goa'uld technology? The hand devices, for instance, can't possibly detect Nahquadah in one's symbiote. If that were true, anyone who wanted to use Goa'uld technology could just keep a jar of Nahquadah somewhere on them and voila.