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prion
March 29th, 2006, 08:28 AM
Don't shoot the messenger. I just read the text and copied

http://www.gateworld.net/fandom/conventions/vancouver2006/gerorevealsoriginalgraceun.shtml

He told the audience not to expect Jonas Quinn (Corin Nemec) will appear on SG-1 again.

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Grammar is off, but I believe he’s saying Jonas will not return to SG-1 again.

nell
March 29th, 2006, 08:40 AM
Don't shoot the messenger. I just read the text and copied

http://www.gateworld.net/fandom/conventions/vancouver2006/gerorevealsoriginalgraceun.shtml

He told the audience not to expect Jonas Quinn (Corin Nemec) will appear on SG-1 again.

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Grammar is off, but I believe he’s saying Jonas will not return to SG-1 again.
I was sorry to hear that there is not a place for Jonas/Corin on SG-1 show! I really liked Jonas! I'm looking forward to meeting Corin this July at Shore Leave Con. I'll find out what other plans he has for his career.

jannagalaxy
March 29th, 2006, 09:31 AM
I'd just wish they'd say why.

Actually, my real problem is that it looks like they are trying to forget that he was ever apart of the show.

It's the mallice that gets to me....but i hope it isn't.

Gregorius
March 29th, 2006, 09:35 AM
I'm affraid to say he is...which is a shame considering his development in the last part of season 6.

jannagalaxy
March 29th, 2006, 09:42 AM
But no reason....:(

coolove
March 29th, 2006, 09:46 AM
I'm extremely disappointed. Both Corin/Jonas has contributed to what SG1 has become. I was hoping for him to at least make an appearance in 200.

ShadowMaat
March 29th, 2006, 09:48 AM
I kinda thought this was old news, but yeah, we're never going to see Jonas again. EVER. And we're never going to hear him mentioned in ANY context again, either. Janna's right- it seems like they're doing their best to forget the character ever existed. There's a time when I would have been shocked by such an attitude, but these days it seems more like par for the course where TPTB are concerned.

jannagalaxy
March 29th, 2006, 09:49 AM
I'm extremely disappointed. Both Corin/Jonas has contributed to what SG1 has become. I was hoping for him to at least make an appearance in 200.
So was! :(.

It seems like they've been dangeling a carrot in front of us for the past couple of years that we might see him one last time, we get little teasers now and a again then all of a sudden.....

What's going on????

PS I thought that Martin Gero was a SGA writer?

TechnoWraith
March 29th, 2006, 09:54 AM
I'm sorry to hear that Jonas won't be back at all. Seems like they want to make it as if Jonas never existed. Didn't someone ask Martin Gero if Jonas was ever returning during Martin's panel? I forget if someone did.

jckfan55
March 29th, 2006, 09:57 AM
I kinda thought this was old news, but yeah, we're never going to see Jonas again. EVER. And we're never going to hear him mentioned in ANY context again, either. Janna's right- it seems like they're doing their best to forget the character ever existed. There's a time when I would have been shocked by such an attitude, but these days it seems more like par for the course where TPTB are concerned.
Unfortunately I think you're right. I think Jonas' exit was handled badly. I came to like him and his interactions with the rest of the team. From a story perspective it would make sense to bring him back--I'm sure his planet isn't going to be untouched by the Ori.

lionel_pendergast_rocks
March 29th, 2006, 10:04 AM
I really like Jonas, but if they ever put him back in Stargate, continuity with my VS is screwed - as you can see in my sig.

ToasterOnFire
March 29th, 2006, 10:08 AM
Don't shoot the messenger. I just read the text and copied

http://www.gateworld.net/fandom/conventions/vancouver2006/gerorevealsoriginalgraceun.shtml

He told the audience not to expect Jonas Quinn (Corin Nemec) will appear on SG-1 again.

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Grammar is off, but I believe he’s saying Jonas will not return to SG-1 again.
Ah, but he said nothing about Jonas appearing on Atlantis! Though considering it's the same PTB for both shows, I consider such an event highly unlikely. They've made it clear that they don't care much for Jonas or Corin once MS came back...

jannagalaxy
March 29th, 2006, 10:09 AM
I don't like the wording of this annoucment...it's confusing and....well, it reminds me of someone saying.....never ever again!.....and that's upsetting.

MartoufMarty
March 29th, 2006, 10:12 AM
Oh well... I loved Jonas but... They really neglected him when he was there, and like everyone else is saying, forgetting him when he's gone...

jannagalaxy
March 29th, 2006, 10:14 AM
I'm getting the ice cream out.....

Insipid
March 29th, 2006, 10:29 AM
It's sad, because I think that they could easily tie the Naquadria and the whole "Jonas had visions of the future" into the Ori storyline.

For example, the Goa'uld who was working on Naquadria may have had a servant [human inhabitant] who had a vision of the Ori, which would explain Jonas' built in precognative abilities that Nirti brought forth, due to his ancestors having had the abilities.

The Naquadria would have been that Goa'uld's answer to Goa'uld tech being apparently useless against the Ori.

Or something like that.

Oh well.

jannagalaxy
March 29th, 2006, 10:32 AM
I've come back from eating ice cream and think to myself......THEIR LOSS!

GhostPoet
March 29th, 2006, 10:41 AM
Jonas Quinn? Never heard of him. It's a myth.

Nothing to see here people. Move along.

jannagalaxy
March 29th, 2006, 10:50 AM
Jonas Quinn? Never heard of him. It's a myth.

Nothing to see here people. Move along.

That was rude.

ShadowMaat
March 29th, 2006, 10:56 AM
Jonas Quinn? Never heard of him. It's a myth.

Nothing to see here people. Move along.
Yeah, that kinda sums up TPTB's attitude, doesn't it?

jannagalaxy
March 29th, 2006, 11:03 AM
Yeah, that kinda sums up TPTB's attitude, doesn't it?
Very true!

Madeleine
March 29th, 2006, 11:12 AM
Jonas Quinn? Never heard of him. It's a myth.

Nothing to see here people. Move along.

Hey! We have a PTB in our midst :p

jannagalaxy
March 29th, 2006, 11:16 AM
Hey! We have a PTB in our midst :p
Well, it certinally sounds like it.....mmmm....

LuvsJonasQuinn
March 29th, 2006, 12:50 PM
Things change all the time so there's always the possibility that Jonas will be back. They said the same thing about a different character in the past and that character is back. Changes happen all the time so I still have hope that they'll bring Jonas back to the team someday.:)

ReganX
March 29th, 2006, 01:46 PM
it's a shame Jonas won't be coming back. I'd have liked to see another episode or two with him.

prion
March 29th, 2006, 03:29 PM
Ah, but he said nothing about Jonas appearing on Atlantis! Though considering it's the same PTB for both shows, I consider such an event highly unlikely. They've made it clear that they don't care much for Jonas or Corin once MS came back...

It would make no sense for Jonas to be on Atlantis. I fear that if they ever did that, SGA will become nothing more than a dumping ground for SG1 characters they don't know what to do with on SG1....

ShadowMaat
March 29th, 2006, 03:56 PM
Nah, this is ATLANTIS we're talking about. If Corin ever shows up, he'll be playing an entirely different character. :P Just like Courtenay Stevens, Garwin Sanford, Jay Brazeau...

prion
March 29th, 2006, 04:39 PM
Nah, this is ATLANTIS we're talking about. If Corin ever shows up, he'll be playing an entirely different character. :P Just like Courtenay Stevens, Garwin Sanford, Jay Brazeau...

and don't forget the actor - keep forgetting his name - who was on the Unas episode, then Cor'ai, and then Epiphany.... ;)

McSwift
March 29th, 2006, 04:42 PM
I really liked Jonas as well. I was hoping that with his book-smarts and with the Ori being in the MW now, that he could contribute in some way. Not to mention if he can't be on SG1, why not have him on Atlantis.

Daniel Jackson = Jonas Quinn! :D

Amanda Eros
March 29th, 2006, 04:43 PM
Please tell me that at least one person booed when he said that. :zelenka26: Because if I was there I sure would have.:samanime15:

Amanda Eros
March 29th, 2006, 04:52 PM
I'm afraid to ask this, just in case the results aren't what I want them to be, but oh well. Doesn't hurt to try! Could we do a poll in the discussions section/ or the home page asking everyone if they think Jonas Quinn should come back or not. Then if a lot of people do want him back send the results to tptb? Maybe they'll do a double take or something. Or we could go over their heads and send the results to Scifi and MGM?

ShadowMaat
March 29th, 2006, 04:56 PM
You're welcome to try, but the producers obviously don't give a good golly damn what the fans think or what anyone- other than themselves- want and I think that probably goes double where Corin/Jonas is concerned.

Just keep in mind that you'll be opening a can of worms that every Jonas-hating, Corin-bashing fan in Gateworld will feed upon.

Amanda Eros
March 29th, 2006, 05:10 PM
You're welcome to try, but the producers obviously don't give a good golly damn what the fans think or what anyone- other than themselves- want and I think that probably goes double where Corin/Jonas is concerned.

Just keep in mind that you'll be opening a can of worms that every Jonas-hating, Corin-bashing fan in Gateworld will feed upon.


::sigh:: That's true. Cooper even said it himself that he doesn't care what the fans want.

prion
March 29th, 2006, 05:15 PM
Please tell me that at least one person booed when he said that. :zelenka26: Because if I was there I sure would have.:samanime15:

well, only one person seemed to mention it and it was mentioned in the martin gero talk. otherwise, for what was a three day con, right? very little has come out, making me wonder just what questions fans asked as nobody is really reporting back much in the way of interesting information ....

i wasn't at the con, so can't say, and haven't seen anything else anywhere else on the topic.

Skydiver
March 29th, 2006, 05:32 PM
I kinda thought this was old news, but yeah, we're never going to see Jonas again. EVER. And we're never going to hear him mentioned in ANY context again, either. Janna's right- it seems like they're doing their best to forget the character ever existed. There's a time when I would have been shocked by such an attitude, but these days it seems more like par for the course where TPTB are concerned.
yes, poor jonas is the b****** red headed stepchild of the stargate universe

jonno
March 29th, 2006, 05:40 PM
yes, poor jonas is the b****** red headed stepchild of the stargate universe

hey, be careful - ginger here! :p (before anyone comes back with snark ... i'm not a b****** stepchild!)

Anyway, on-topic ... it's a pity - nothing wrong with the character, but that's the way the cookie crumbles - the shows moved on (not necessarily for better), and he's been left behind / had the iris closed on him ...

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/JonnoG/Jonas.jpg

Buc252
March 29th, 2006, 07:11 PM
It would make no sense for Jonas to be on Atlantis. I fear that if they ever did that, SGA will become nothing more than a dumping ground for SG1 characters they don't know what to do with on SG1....

But originally, Jonas was *supposed* to be spun off into Atlantis! So why wouldn't he fit in there? (Rhetorical question.) I think, at this point, Jonas being on Atlantis would be the only thing that could get me to watch it.

the fifth man
March 29th, 2006, 10:39 PM
Yeah, I've pretty much prepared myself for never seeing Jonas again. I liked his character, don't give me wrong, but I'm sure we'll have enough to preoccupy ourselves with this coming season.

lissafoss
March 29th, 2006, 11:00 PM
I really liked Jonas but wouldnt want him brought back for silly role that didnt make sense. The way it was ended allowed for SG1 to have one more episode with him and that was it. I dont like the way he is forgot about, or the fact i forget about him most of the time. But thats just the way it is.

jannagalaxy
March 30th, 2006, 12:09 AM
I really liked Jonas but wouldnt want him brought back for silly role that didnt make sense. The way it was ended allowed for SG1 to have one more episode with him and that was it. I dont like the way he is forgot about, or the fact i forget about him most of the time. But thats just the way it is.
I agree, it's the way that he's forgot about that boils my blood.

Stricken
March 30th, 2006, 01:29 AM
Lets just remember that stranger things have happened on Stargate and they may be bluffing......which is unlikely unfortuantly :(

knowsfords
March 30th, 2006, 03:01 AM
Man theres alot of fan-wank in here... a big *rolls eyes* to some of you, nothing is ever set in stone for sci fi and you should all know by now not to take what tptb say at face value as often they word it in a certain way as to not give away the story.

AFIAK Gero is primarily an Atlantis writer, so saying anything that could be that permanent for a show he hardly even works on is either carelessness or a hint for the show that he does work on.

As for Jonas, how many of you crushed by the disapearance of him or even Ford for that matter are the very same people who whinged that they were poor characters in the first place? (I hate the F.O.R.D for this very reason).

Why would Jonas go to Atlantis? The potential knowledge that could provide a stable means of Naquadria power generation that the ancient database might contain would be too tempting for him. Or perhaps he escapes from his homeworld which is now under Ori control, and joins the atlantis expedition list... fast study, knows Daniel Jacksons ancient research back to front so he would be an invalueable consult considering that Daniel is preoccupied with the Ori.

Just remember to watch the road tptb are taking before criticising thier driving.

lissafoss
March 30th, 2006, 03:09 AM
Just remember to watch the road tptb are taking before criticising thier driving.

They always pull it around, i have faith in them. So many people didnt think they would get Mitchell to work but they did. Or at least i think they did.

My point is, if they find a way or if a story provides the oppotunity to bring him back, they will, but only if its right.

prion
March 30th, 2006, 03:38 AM
I agree, it's the way that he's forgot about that boils my blood.

can someone please explain this? I keep hearing that Jonas has been forgotten, that he was treated badly on the way out.

He's no more forgotten than Jack, than Selmac, than any other CHARACTER who is gone. You don't keep mentioning them. If a coworker leaves the place you work, you don't keep talking about him year after year, do you?? (Unless of course he screwed things up<G>).

And his character left on good terms, so, I don't see how his character was treated badly.

ShadowMaat
March 30th, 2006, 03:42 AM
There are few things more tiring than fans who feel compelled to bash other fans rather than sticking to the actual subject of a conversation. :rolleyes:

Who cares if some of the folks who "complained" about Jonas now want to see him back? Do complaints void a person's right to an opinion? If someone said, "I wish this character had been better developed," does that mean that they were complaining? Does it mean that they aren't allowed to want the character back anyway? Puh-lease. :rolleyes:

Absence, as they say, makes the heart grow fonder. Maybe the "failings" of the character pale in comparison to other, bigger failings on the show now. Maybe it's "understood" that having him return would equal getting more development. Maybe the fans who want him back aren't the same as the ones who thought he was "weak." Maybe none of it matters. I've checked through GW's rules very carefully and nowhere does it say, "You must be consistent in your opinion." It doesn't say, "You aren't allowed to complain." And there's definitely no prohibition against "fanwanking." If there were, I think the shippers would be the first ones who'd get banned. ;)

Not everyone is going to agree about everything. That much should be kinda obvious. Heck, some people don't even agree with themselves. ;) Thanks to the open-ness of Gateworld, fans are allowed to disagree with each other (and themselves), but that doesn't mean that you (generally speaking) are free to ridicule others when you disagree with what they say or how they say it. Let fans express their opinions about the show and save the pissing for a toilet.

Vyse
March 30th, 2006, 04:38 AM
Yeah, they will never bring Jonas back unfortunately. For whatever reason TPTB totally dispise him, and will never bring him back. It's annoying that after an entire season of character development he's just forgotten. I have seen several opportunities to bring him back in at least as a guest star. For example, Reckoning would have been perfect for him to return. One of the things that bothered me about tht episode is that magicly, Carter is able to read Ancient out of the blue. It would have been perfect to bring Jonas back, to help with the translation. Also since the threat was at the entire galaxy. and TPTB were wrapping up the Replicator ark, and changing the Goa'uld ark (boy does it suck now!!) it would have been perfect to have him back for Reckoning.

GateGipsy
March 30th, 2006, 05:04 AM
can someone please explain this? I keep hearing that Jonas has been forgotten, that he was treated badly on the way out.

OK I'll have a stab at it :) At least this is how it felt from my point of view.

They set up a great premise for his character that was never followed through on. OK so as the new kid on the block, I expected he'd be the wallpaper, given that Tealc had already done his time there. But with his introduction in Meridian, I was expecting angst, soul searching, someone who had to redeem himself, someone who had left behind all his family, friends, home etc. But I didn't see any of that. Instead of the character that we had in Meridian, it felt like they kept writing him as if he was Daniel, and I felt that wasn't a fair way to treat either Jonas or Corin.

In fact, the best Jonas scenes we got were in Season 7 after Daniel was back, as if they now had the real Daniel to write for they could do Jonas as a character in his own right. That's just how it felt to me anyway. And then he was gone, and we didn't hear anything about him.

Now where I work, a team member left and heck, we mention him quite a bit. We still socialise with the guy, he still drops by the office etc. I don't expect that to happen in a TV show - it wouldn't add to the drama. But as an example, in Season 6 Tealc was mentioned that Daniel had taught him to drive. That sort of thing. In the clip show that we got in Season 6, all the clips showed Daniel - none of them showed Jonas. In the clip show in Season 7 none of them showed Jonas.

I know that there are contractual considerations in these things, but if they could pay out the royalties or whatever it is called to Daniel for the bits they showed in Season 6, why didn't they do the same thing for Season 7 and show Jonas?

Now it seems as if we're not getting any Jonas appearances at all, and indeed that might be something that is down to Corin rather than the TPTB.

But it does feel to the fans at any rater (IMO) as if they felt that Jonas wasn't important enough to us, that he wasn't rated by the fans in the same way as Daniel and Jack, and therefore they don't need to worry about him.

veryangrystargatefan
March 30th, 2006, 05:16 AM
I hope this doesn't sound bad but TPTB need either new eyeglasses prescriptions or brain transplants. If these people would quit making this show more about themselves and start caring more about what the fans want to see, they would look at these forums and figure out that a large percent of the fan base would like to see Jonas/Corin return in some capacity. I mean, hello, the fans are the reason that Stargate is now the longest running sci-fi series ever. I think they should listen to us. I think the fans should write TPTB and let them know what we think!!!! That's my two cents on that. Sorry, I always have to put my two cents in somewhere.

Rachel (veryangrystargatefan)

P.S.- I'm also going to get to meet Corin in July at Shore Leave!!!

Gregorius
March 30th, 2006, 05:22 AM
I mean, hello, the fans are the reason that Stargate is now the longest running sci-fi series ever. I think they should listen to us. I think the fans should write TPTB and let them know what we think!!!! That's my two cents on that. Sorry, I always have to put my two cents in somewhere.

*Shakes head* You ever heard the story of Star Trek? That show that had the same two show runners for a long time (Berman & Braga)? Or the story of Star Wars which had one showrunner for a long time (George Lucas)? Both stopped caring about what the fans wanted when the show got big enough. Their mentality was "We've made this show what it is today and not they fans. Besides if we screw up the fans will still watch it" and it killed Star Trek and Star Wars, and now TPTB of Stargate have been infected by the same mentality.

jckfan55
March 30th, 2006, 07:21 AM
I know you can't run a show by fan poll--I think fan tendency is to all want them to listen to our perspective and not to anyone else's. Still, there are sometimes when I think they would do well to pay some attention.

randy
March 30th, 2006, 07:32 AM
But didn't SG1 promise shield technology to Jonas' people were they ever to acquire it? Couldn't they make a storyline out of that?

prion
March 30th, 2006, 08:40 AM
OK I'll have a stab at it :) At least this is how it felt from my point of view.

They set up a great premise for his character that was never followed through on. OK so as the new kid on the block, I expected he'd be the wallpaper, given that Tealc had already done his time there. But with his introduction in Meridian, I was expecting angst, soul searching, someone who had to redeem himself, someone who had left behind all his family, friends, home etc. But I didn't see any of that. Instead of the character that we had in Meridian, it felt like they kept writing him as if he was Daniel, and I felt that wasn't a fair way to treat either Jonas or Corin.

Ah, well, yeah. Basically, they just made Jonas into a clone of sort of daniel, which to me, was shoddy writing. I didn't think it was bad treatment for the actor, just crappy writing on the part of those who pen the scripts (and don't get me started on how they ripped off the Russell Crowe movie...)

In fact, the best Jonas scenes we got were in Season 7 after Daniel was back, as if they now had the real Daniel to write for they could do Jonas as a character in his own right. That's just how it felt to me anyway. And then he was gone, and we didn't hear anything about him.

Agreed. I actually thought Jonas showed potential when he was teamed up with daniel.

Gregorius
March 30th, 2006, 08:45 AM
But didn't SG1 promise shield technology to Jonas' people were they ever to acquire it? Couldn't they make a storyline out of that?

Jonas who? Sorry, I've never heard of this Jonas or his people. Furthermore do I wish to point out we're only at season 9 next fall and not season 10. I don't understand where people get the strange idea we had a season with a person named Jonas Quin ;)

[/end TPTB response]

Bragi
March 30th, 2006, 09:20 AM
That seems to be the case.

Too bad, Langara had some more potential storylines.... especially now with the Ori and all.

HirogenGater
March 30th, 2006, 09:32 AM
It's Sci-Fi anything is possible. He might make an appearance someday.

GateGipsy
March 30th, 2006, 11:35 AM
Ah, well, yeah. Basically, they just made Jonas into a clone of sort of daniel, which to me, was shoddy writing. I didn't think it was bad treatment for the actor, just crappy writing on the part of those who pen the scripts

It was both. They brought in Jonas, and presumably Corin put his all into what he had to work with. But they never gave him a chance to prove either himself or the character. It was as if they were saying 'well if we can't have Daniel then we're not going to bother', and then as soon as they got Michael back that was it, goodbye Jonas. And the line we were given at the time was that it was a) budgetary. Couldn't fit in that many leads on the budget they had and b) Jonas and Daniel were too similar.

Now, I am not going to complain about getting Daniel back. I am just happy to see him back on the show.

But with reason a) well, now we're getting five leads in season 10, Daniel, Sam, Tealc, Cam, and Vala. and then with b) Jonas and Daniel shouldn't have been alike. Jonas should have been given storylines that suited his character not ones that made him repli-Daniel.

So yes, it does feel like the actor was treated shoddily.

Formerhost
March 30th, 2006, 11:53 AM
You're welcome to try, but the producers obviously don't give a good golly damn what the fans think or what anyone- other than themselves- want and I think that probably goes double where Corin/Jonas is concerned.

Just keep in mind that you'll be opening a can of worms that every Jonas-hating, Corin-bashing fan in Gateworld will feed upon.

Perhaps the producers have a good reason of not wanting Nemec working with him again? We're not there so we don't know what's happening there... after hours for example. Perhaps Nemec did something which TPTB considered bad enough to deserve it actually?

the fifth man
March 30th, 2006, 11:56 AM
Perhaps the producers have a good reason of not wanting Nemec working with him again? We're not there so we don't know what's happening there... after hours for example. Perhaps Nemec did something which TPTB considered bad enough to deserve it actually?

That is a definite possibility. You're right, we don't really know for sure.

generaloneill
March 30th, 2006, 12:26 PM
i think they should bring jonas to atlantis because it would be great to get him away from all the stupid people on his planet it would be a great way to get him back on stargate.:jonas:

ShadowMaat
March 30th, 2006, 12:27 PM
Perhaps the producers have a good reason of not wanting Nemec working with him again? We're not there so we don't know what's happening there... after hours for example. Perhaps Nemec did something which TPTB considered bad enough to deserve it actually?
Since speculation about such things is strictly forbidden by the rules of Gateworld, it doesn't really matter, does it? He's gone, he isn't coming back and WHATEVER the reason it sure as hell isn't going to change the fact that I miss him and resent the very abrupt manner in which Jonas was written out.

LaCroix
March 30th, 2006, 12:30 PM
Since speculation about such things is strictly forbidden by the rules of Gateworld, it doesn't really matter, does it? He's gone, he isn't coming back and WHATEVER the reason it sure as hell isn't going to change the fact that I miss him and resent the very abrupt manner in which Jonas was written out.


I know Shadow. I miss him too. Would have loved to see how he reacted about Atlantis and all the mysteries there.

prion
March 30th, 2006, 12:39 PM
It was both. They brought in Jonas, and presumably Corin put his all into what he had to work with. But they never gave him a chance to prove either himself or the character. It was as if they were saying 'well if we can't have Daniel then we're not going to bother', and then as soon as they got Michael back that was it, goodbye Jonas. And the line we were given at the time was that it was a) budgetary. Couldn't fit in that many leads on the budget they had and b) Jonas and Daniel were too similar.

Now, I am not going to complain about getting Daniel back. I am just happy to see him back on the show.

But with reason a) well, now we're getting five leads in season 10, Daniel, Sam, Tealc, Cam, and Vala. and then with b) Jonas and Daniel shouldn't have been alike. Jonas should have been given storylines that suited his character not ones that made him repli-Daniel.

So yes, it does feel like the actor was treated shoddily.

What the writers SHOULD have done is not what they did: you never kill off a character and introduce his replacement in the same episode. Bad form. You'd think they'd learn by now. Just antagonizes the fans and does zip for the new character.

The thing with Jonas is that yes, he was repli-Daniel. Did everything Daniel did, etc. What bugged me about him is here is someone who is now considered a traitor to his entire world, yet he doesn't seem to show one inkling of remorse or regret or misery or anything. He's too busy watching the weather channel, or eating. It's like the guy was on vacation! Sorry, but if anything, he should have had a brief period (even part of an episode) where he actually moped about and said "I'm never going home." You never really got the impression it bothered him. Bad writing.

smurf
March 30th, 2006, 01:50 PM
What the writers SHOULD have done is not what they did: you never kill off a character and introduce his replacement in the same episode. Bad form. You'd think they'd learn by now. Just antagonizes the fans and does zip for the new character.

The thing with Jonas is that yes, he was repli-Daniel. Did everything Daniel did, etc. What bugged me about him is here is someone who is now considered a traitor to his entire world, yet he doesn't seem to show one inkling of remorse or regret or misery or anything. He's too busy watching the weather channel, or eating. It's like the guy was on vacation! Sorry, but if anything, he should have had a brief period (even part of an episode) where he actually moped about and said "I'm never going home." You never really got the impression it bothered him. Bad writing.
If he moped for part of an episode there would be a fair number who would have called him selfish for only caring about himself.
He did mention not being able to go home in Nightwalkers, and for the effect of not being able to go home you have to watch the acting (rather than the writing :rolleyes:) of Shadowplay.

On the other hand his lack of moping, and his up-beatness was a major personality trait. So I'd say, not quite a repli-Daniel.

Amanda Eros
March 30th, 2006, 06:31 PM
I never really saw Jonas as being a copy of Daniel. I don't know, how would a person coming from a society that pretty much lacks aviation act when going though a Stargate for the first time. Pretty much in awe. Yeah, Daniel was in awe for a while, but that wore off when he lost Shar'e. Jonas seemed to try so hard to be accepted by everyone. He had to earn his place on the team, whereas today they skipped that and went with the Mary Sue approach. Who knows perhaps Jonas did go though some soul searching, he was stuck in the mountain for three months before we saw him again. He just seemed like such a great guy, it's a shame that they haven't brought him back. At least Corin seems to be doing okay, he's going to be in that movie Nice Guys.

the fifth man
March 30th, 2006, 06:35 PM
Even them mentioning him occasionally would at least be something.

LuvsJonasQuinn
March 30th, 2006, 06:37 PM
I've always seen Jonas and Daniel as two different people as well. I'd love to see him back and on the team - there was so much potential there.

Amanda Eros
March 30th, 2006, 06:42 PM
Even them mentioning him occasionally would at least be something.

Yeah that would be nice wouldn't it? They mentioned Daniel enough during season six, and they've mentioned Jack a few times in season nine. Landry being on the phone with him here and there. Selmac got a mention in Ripple Effect, though they handled that character's death horribly. They really made Sam look like she didn't even care about her own father's death. At least blame her absence on having to go see her brother and his family to get her head and heart straighten out.

jannagalaxy
March 30th, 2006, 11:33 PM
Even them mentioning him occasionally would at least be something.
That'd be nice. Not much to ask.

GateGipsy
March 30th, 2006, 11:35 PM
I see Jonas and Daniel as two very seperate, very different characters too. Which is why it bugged me so much when they kept feeding Jonas Daniel lines. It bugs me when they do it to Mitchell too (give him Jack lines).

I thought Meridian was a brilliant way to bring in a character. It set up, or at least it seemed to, a really angsty, dramatic storyline. Seeing how that panned out had me excited about Season 6 despite the absence of Daniel. Then they never followed it up. Indeed, the Jonas that was in the season opener seemed like a different person to the one in Meridian. Revelations I and II are episodes I've frequently rewatched, because the Sam and MacKay storyline is just so good.

No we can't speculate about what went on behind the scenes with the actors and the PTB. But I have heard a PTB on the show say, completely privately and off the record, that the removal of Jonas from the show was not due to Corin.

I don't just think that Corin was treated badly. I think that Michael has been treated badly too, and ditto Amanda and Chris.

Continuity has always been an aspect of Stargate that attracted me to the show. It seems to have more consistantly recurring characters than any other show. I know it isn't reasonable to expect actors to always be available, but everytime someone from the pentagon turned up in Season 9 and it wasn't Major Davis, it just felt plain wrong. Even the tech guys who hang around in the control room are familiar faces, many of them have been on the show for years.

prion
March 31st, 2006, 04:09 AM
If he moped for part of an episode there would be a fair number who would have called him selfish for only caring about himself.
He did mention not being able to go home in Nightwalkers, and for the effect of not being able to go home you have to watch the acting (rather than the writing :rolleyes:) of Shadowplay.

On the other hand his lack of moping, and his up-beatness was a major personality trait. So I'd say, not quite a repli-Daniel.

Doesn't have to necessarily mope but at least reflect.... the writers honestly didn't give him Jonas a lot of depth. He reminded me of a stereotypical boy scout who knew it all, could do it all, and was always cheerful. (Sometimes people who are always cheerful no matter what CAN be annoying <G>). And yup, I did watch the acting ;)

akren
March 31st, 2006, 05:19 AM
I am disappointed Joans won't apparently be heard from again, I was kinda hoping to see how Langara would handle an Orii incursion.

I also don't like the way they are treating the character as if he never existed, it demeans both Joans as a character & Corrin Nemec as an actor.

Looks like the TPTB need a lesson on how to treat their fans; & if this is the attitude TPTB treat the people whom have helped make their show so successful; then the show, IMHO, is not worth watching. Without us watching it, the show would be overe by nows & wouldn't have made them the millions of dollars they currently enjoy racking in every year in related merchandise sales, etc.

I am glad of the direction the show has taken, but let us not forget those people, the actors, the fans & the characters whom have helped & continue to make the show great.

macphoen
March 31st, 2006, 10:02 AM
Just for the record, in case they have a radically change-of-heart, I liked both Jonas and Corin Nemec, and opportunity is being missed for not bringing him back in the form of Cameron Mitchell. He read and practically memorized every mission report from SG-1; somewhere there's a story that can be told (within all this Ori/Wraith madness). You would think he would want to meet this "Jonas" person. It would be nice to have acknowledgment that he's alive and well on screen since we last saw him. I read an interview with him at Sci-Fi Wire, and he's doing a movie for the Sci-Fi Channel called "SS Doomtrooper". He apparently enjoyed working on this project.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=35213

randy
March 31st, 2006, 04:24 PM
Jonas who? Sorry, I've never heard of this Jonas or his people. Furthermore do I wish to point out we're only at season 9 next fall and not season 10. I don't understand where people get the strange idea we had a season with a person named Jonas Quin ;)

[/end TPTB response]

I understood the first portion of your message until you added in the wink at the end.

kymeric
April 2nd, 2006, 10:13 AM
They havent talked about cassie either! This is a deliberate attack by the writers against the fans!!!!

Hahahaha, kidding.

Does anyone else thing people are over reacting?

Lieutenant Colonel Davis
April 2nd, 2006, 11:52 AM
I hope he comes back, even for just one episode.

knowsfords
April 2nd, 2006, 12:57 PM
Does anyone else thing people are over reacting?

What makes you think that? ;)

GhostPoet
April 3rd, 2006, 11:05 AM
While I do miss the character...I don't think he really would fit very well with the current stories going on in SG-1. He WOULD fit pretty well with Atlantis though.

At least SG-1 is getting Vala *excited!!*

carcatcher
April 3rd, 2006, 03:27 PM
Through all of this, I have not been able to find one response that explains why Corin Nemic is not returning. Does any one know this answer? I am just curious if it is the writers, producers, cast, or if it is Corin himself who does not want to return (maybe because he didn't like his charactor or something)

ShadowMaat
April 3rd, 2006, 03:33 PM
Corin has been quoted many times as saying he would love to return to Stargate. TPTB, however, keep evading. There are tons of rumors, but they're all equally unfounded. I highly doubt we'll ever know the truth.

prion
April 3rd, 2006, 03:45 PM
Corin has been quoted many times as saying he would love to return to Stargate. TPTB, however, keep evading. There are tons of rumors, but they're all equally unfounded. I highly doubt we'll ever know the truth.

Nope, as fans we're not privy to why he's not returning. Probably never will be unless someone writes that tell-all book. of course, unless someone signed a non-disclosure type agreement....

As for rumors, I've heard maybe two, but certainly not 'tons'....

Amanda Eros
April 3rd, 2006, 03:52 PM
Through all of this, I have not been able to find one response that explains why Corin Nemic is not returning. Does any one know this answer? I am just curious if it is the writers, producers, cast, or if it is Corin himself who does not want to return (maybe because he didn't like his charactor or something)


I submited the question as to why they don't want him back and if there is a good reason to the Ask Matt (http://www.tvguide.com/TV/Roush/AskMatt/default.htm?rmDate=03312006) page on the TV Guild.com website. He didn't answer it for monday, but perhaps if enough people ask him then maybe we might be able to find out???

ShadowMaat
April 3rd, 2006, 04:24 PM
Well, a "ton" may be overstating things a bit (;)) but I've heard at least four or five different stories.

the fifth man
April 3rd, 2006, 07:51 PM
Well, no matter what happens, at least his spirit will live on in some of us. And one could always watch season 6 over, and over,.....etc.:)

Lida
April 4th, 2006, 08:12 AM
Sorry, but I heard recently that Jonas would not be retunning, either to SG1 or Atlantis. Hope I heard wrong. :(

prion
April 4th, 2006, 08:21 AM
Sorry, but I heard recently that Jonas would not be retunning, either to SG1 or Atlantis. Hope I heard wrong. :(

Well, if you go to the beginning of this thread, yes, that's where the news is posted.

Kanten
April 4th, 2006, 09:27 PM
As much as I love what TPTB has given us over this past decade, I still can't help but feel disgusted with the way they've treated the Jonas Quinn character, and Corin Nemec himself. They may just think of him as "the Daniel replacement" but whether they like it or not, he IS a part of the show's history, and was given significant development for the viewers before they booted Corin off the cast.

If they were pulling this type of thing for Hammond or Jack, people would all but revolt at the attitude they were taking. I just see letting someone go apparently because "the other guy came back" as rather disrespectful to an actor.

GateGipsy
April 5th, 2006, 12:53 AM
I think there was a lot of commotion, revolt, whatever you want to call it at the time. About on level with the commotion over what happened to Janet. And I suspect it possibly went part way to my not really watching season 7 and 8, despite the return of my abosolute favourite character. So I daresay they did lose some viewership over it.

But then they did also gain a lot of viewers because of the switch at the same time to the Sci Fi channel, which is in a lot more homes than Showtime. So any show of protest to the PTB would have been lost.

And that may have been also balanced out by the viewers that left the show because Daniel had gone. I know that usually in any other show I've ever watched, as soon as one of the main characters has left, I've also stopped watching. It happened in Highlander and Sliders. Somehow the show is never quite the same for me afterwards - and I imagine that there's probably quite a lot of people who feel the same way.

Things were different for Stargate though, partly because I'd been a member of the fandom. That sort of emotional investment though made me keep watching. But also because I really liked what we saw of Jonas in Meridian, and thought that storyline and character had a lot of potential. For me, introducing the new character early on helped a lot.

Anyway I'm meandering...I do feel guilty that I didn't put in the same time and energy to supporting Jonas as I did Daniel. I only wrote a few letters, not the letter a week for Daniel. It wasn't that I was any less dedicated it was just that after the huge emotional upheaval that went on when they got rid of Daniel, I just didn't have the emotioanl energy left when they axed Jonas. I wonder how many other people were in the same boat? Perhaps that gave the PTB the idea that he wasn't as important to us?

prion
April 5th, 2006, 03:35 AM
As much as I love what TPTB has given us over this past decade, I still can't help but feel disgusted with the way they've treated the Jonas Quinn character, and Corin Nemec himself. They may just think of him as "the Daniel replacement" but whether they like it or not, he IS a part of the show's history, and was given significant development for the viewers before they booted Corin off the cast.

If they were pulling this type of thing for Hammond or Jack, people would all but revolt at the attitude they were taking. I just see letting someone go apparently because "the other guy came back" as rather disrespectful to an actor.

As I've said before, as fans, we do NOT know what went on behind the scenes. We probably never will. There's a lot of speculation and none of it is backed up with fact. Corin had a two-year contract. The studio was behold to either buy out that last year or give him development deals. If MS worked better for them and the studio asked him back, that's what happens in that business. In fact, that happens in any business. Actors actually have better protection than us poor schmucks with "at will" employment agreements.

ShadowMaat
April 5th, 2006, 04:34 AM
I don't know how much of a campaign there was to "save" Jonas. Most of us were so horrified and repelled by what certain Daniel supporters did to get their precious character back AT ANY COST that I think most of us (or I and some of my closer Jonas supporters, anyway) didn't dare to do much for fear of winding up (or just giving the appearance of being) like them. *shudders*

It was a truly appalling time in fandom and frankly I've never been more sickened and disgusted by being a fan than I was at that time. The depths that some people sank to are just staggering. I have never and WILL never support another "save our character" campaign, EVER, because of the Daniel Wars and every time I see a new one crop up it makes my skin crawl.

Granted, it wasn't ALL of the Daniel supporters, and I'm sorry for implying that it was, but there was a particularly rabid clique who used to dog me and any other Jonas fans all over the SCIFI boards and flame us en masse every time we talked about Jonas or dared to suggest that Daniel was anything less than perfect. That certainly made it SEEM like a majority at the time because it was just about the only exposure I had to that faction of fandom.

I'll also admit that back then I was still stupid enough to still have SOME faith in TPTB and to "trust" them to do right by Jonas and Corin. I learned my lesson the hard way and if you're wondering how I became such a bitter, cynical b****, that's pretty much why, right there. Between SDJ and TPTB, they profaned my love of Stargate.

I've gone back and seen posts I've made on other forums back during season six and before and it's scary how happy and positive I was. I well and truly loved the show back then, I believed the producers could do no wrong and I thought SG fandom was an awesome and welcoming place to be. Poor, silly fool that I was...

prion
April 5th, 2006, 05:03 AM
I don't know how much of a campaign there was to "save" Jonas. Most of us were so horrified and repelled by what the Daniel supporters did to get their precious character back AT ANY COST that I think most of us (or I and some of my closer Jonas supporters, anyway) didn't dare to do much for fear of winding up (or just giving the appearance of being) like them. *shudders*

It was a truly appalling time in fandom and frankly I've never been more sickened and disgusted by being a fan than I was at that time. The depths that some people sank to are just staggering. I have never and WILL never support another "save our character" campaign, EVER, because of the Save Daniel Jackson fiasco and every time I see a new one crop up it makes my skin crawl.

I'll also admit that back then I was still stupid enough to still have SOME faith in TPTB and to "trust" them to do right by Jonas and Corin. I learned my lesson the hard way and if you're wondering how I became such a bitter, cynical b****, that's pretty much why, right there. Between SDJ and TPTB, they profaned my love of Stargate.

I've gone back and seen posts I've made on other forums back during season six and before and it's scary how happy and positive I was. I well and truly loved the show back then, I believed the producers could do no wrong and I thought SG fandom was an awesome and welcoming place to be. Poor, silly fool that I was...

Please note that it was SOME Daniel fans who may have appalled you. One thing about thsi fandom that is very annoying is how all fans get lumped into one batch, for better or worse. Daniel fans may have written in more than Jonas fans as Jonas had one year, Daniel had five. I know lots of people who wrote level-headed letters. I also know people who didn't. Ditto for ship fans too. I've seen stuff from ALL quarters that would make your head spin, so let's not have the pot calling the kettle black.

ShadowMaat
April 5th, 2006, 05:12 AM
Ah, but that's the thing- the screaming few always wind up painting the majority into a bad light. I know it was "just a few" but it sure didn't feel that way at the time and it doesn't change the fact that I was sickened by what I saw and horrified by some of the attitudes I was subjected to.

Same goes for the shippers, quite frankly. Some of them are just as scary and psychotic and they tend to cast ALL shippers into a bad light. Or the Vala fans. Yikes...

prion
April 5th, 2006, 05:15 AM
Ah, but that's the thing- the screaming few always wind up painting the majority into a bad light. I know it was "just a few" but it sure didn't feel that way at the time and it doesn't change the fact that I was sickened by what I saw and horrified by some of the attitudes I was subjected to.

Same goes for the shippers, quite frankly. Some of them are just as scary and psychotic and they tend to cast ALL shippers into a bad light. Or the Vala fans. Yikes...

Haven't noticed any scary Vala or Mitchell fans. In ye olden days it used to just 'gen' (or wahtever they were called) and slash fans. Now, the people who get the worst reputations are ship fans, fans of just ONE character/actor. It's pure and simple obsession on a few fans' parts, and mainly the few vocal, strident fans who leave a lasting memory and sour taste in other fen' mouths.

ShadowMaat
April 5th, 2006, 05:20 AM
Haven't noticed any scary Vala or Mitchell fans.
You're lucky, then. I've gotten multiple negs for daring to say I dislike Vala- although I think all of them were from the same person under different names. Frankly, that's another level of scary obsession: creating multiple accounts to promote your "cause" and make your opinion look somehow more valid. I've also been flamed a few times and had my lineage and my personal habits called into question for not worshipping at the Altar o Claudia.

I'm glad (or I hope, anyway) that Jonas fans never sank to that level. I'm inclined to say he isn't the type of character to inspire that type of fervor, but then, I'd say that of ANY character. What the hell is the point?

I love Jonas, I love Corin, I'm really sorry (and bitter) that Stargate wrote him/them off, but what's the point of inflaming others over it?

GateGipsy
April 5th, 2006, 05:21 AM
Shad, I know you don't mean to be hurtful by that, but it does sting. I knew you back then, and I don't think that I ever did anything that would have appalled you (or I hope so). Indeed we seemed to get along together.

Just as you wouldn't want all anti's to be tarred with the same brush, please don't lump all Daniel fans together. Or indeed everyone who campaigned to get Daniel back in any shape or form.

Also, I'd really rather this wasn't brought up here. It used to be that everything thread about Jonas ended up being about Daniel, and it really isn't fair to the character.

ShadowMaat
April 5th, 2006, 05:30 AM
Sorry Gips. I've gone back and edited in a few things, hope that makes it more palatable. But I still feel VERY STRONGLY about that and even as a minority they still helped to completely sour me towards fandom, towards the show, and particularly towards Daniel. He was my favorite character through season five, but I started to hate him because of certain anonymous campaigners who turned their love of a character into a weapon with which to beat everyone into submission. Over a FICTIONAL CHARACTER.

I may love Jonas, but not enough to flame all who dare oppose him. I can see why people might not have liked the character and frankly, in some ways I can agree because- in my opinion- TPTB didn't do justice to the character OR the actor and didn't allow him to fully fledge into his own. I think they only ever used him as a placeholder and personally, I credit any strength of character on Corin's acting talents.

GateGipsy
April 5th, 2006, 12:07 PM
Thanks. It is important to remember that it wasn't an entire group. I try to remember that myself. At the time, I got a lot of grief and hurt for being a Daniel fan, and only for that reason. I had people post to me that they were being nasty to me because I was a Daniel fan and therefore deserved it. But I don't want to despise all shipper just because of a few. The shippers who are now on GateWorld have such a different attitude - many of them would be astonished to find that they are meant to be anti-Daniel just because they like Sam and Jack. Indeed there are many of them thunking away in the Daniel thread. I also wouldn't want their actions to put me off Sam in any way.

Anyway, we're well off topic now! Better give myself a slap on the wrist :)

GateGipsy
April 5th, 2006, 12:09 PM
OK back on topic.

Jonas was a member of SG1. Fullstop. Period. Fact. There's no disputing this. SG1, the team, is a pivotal part of the show. It just doesn't seem right for Jonas to not be acknowledged.

ShadowMaat
April 5th, 2006, 12:20 PM
Jonas who? Sorry, must have missed that ep. :P

TPTB are very good at ignoring things they find inconvenient and apparently Jonas was very VERY inconvenient.

Now they've even destroyed the Prometheus, so that's one less piece of evidence related to the Season That Shall Not be Named.

Granted, that's a bit paranoid conspiracy theorist, but it doesn't make it any less true. ;)

Arative
April 5th, 2006, 12:44 PM
I'd like to see Jonas come back even for just one episode just to tie up lose ends.

jannagalaxy
April 6th, 2006, 01:17 PM
Jonas who? Sorry, must have missed that ep. :P

TPTB are very good at ignoring things they find inconvenient and apparently Jonas was very VERY inconvenient.

Now they've even destroyed the Prometheus, so that's one less piece of evidence related to the Season That Shall Not be Named.

Granted, that's a bit paranoid conspiracy theorist, but it doesn't make it any less true. ;)
I'm abit bitter about this as well, but if that's how TPTB treat them well maybe he's better off out of it.....Their loss.

But I'd be over the moon if he was in one episode.

JUNIOR
April 6th, 2006, 05:04 PM
I wonder if Corin might not want to do another SG episode because of the pay rate for recurring guest stars is to low or maybe he just doesn't get along with some of the SG staff/actors. He’s also in a lot of Sci-fi pictures so maybe he just doesn't have the time but anyways it would be nice to see him back and see what his characters been up to.

LuvsJonasQuinn
April 6th, 2006, 06:59 PM
Corin said in a magazine interview that he'd be open to a raturn.

Filetta
April 6th, 2006, 07:05 PM
Most of us were so horrified and repelled by what certain Daniel supporters did to get their precious character back AT ANY COST that I think most of us (or I and some of my closer Jonas supporters, anyway) didn't dare to do much for fear of winding up (or just giving the appearance of being) like them. *shudders*

WOW I had no clue, I did not discover Stargate until it was already into Season 8 so I came in after the fact. I wonder if it is legal for me to like Daniel and Jonas both? I love Daniel but I do miss Jonas too.

ShadowMaat
April 6th, 2006, 07:08 PM
I wonder if it is legal for me to like Daniel and Jonas both? I love Daniel but I do miss Jonas too.
Nope, that's strictly forbidden and punishable by a public flogging. :P

Deevil
April 6th, 2006, 07:08 PM
There are a lot of things to consider when talking about the return of the character.

1. Arc - does this characters return continue the current seasons/shows arc.
2. Continuation of 1. Is it a stand alone episode. If so, what purpose does this character serve?
3. Will it detract from current Arc?
4. Is their role large enough to warrent their return?

If we assume that the role is important and meaty enough to warrent their return, then there are these things to consider.

1. Can current budget support this?
2. Is the actor/actress avaliable?
3. Is the actor/actress willing to return for the role?
4. Can the role be sustained by a current on contract actor/actress?
5. Does the actor/actress expect more then the studio is willing to give.

There are a lot of considerations, and we don't know what has prompted the statement that Jonas wouldn't be returning to SG-1.

Although, one can read into the fact that MG specifically state SG-1 and not broadly Stargate. Does this mean there may be Jonas on Atlantis?

Madeleine
April 6th, 2006, 09:27 PM
I made a poll in General Discussion. If anyone wants an extra option added, let me know - or let gips know as I'm off to work now :p

prion
April 7th, 2006, 05:26 AM
I don't know how much of a campaign there was to "save" Jonas. Most of us were so horrified and repelled by what certain Daniel supporters did to get their precious character back AT ANY COST that I think most of us (or I and some of my closer Jonas supporters, anyway) didn't dare to do much for fear of winding up (or just giving the appearance of being) like them. *shudders*


Well, opening up a can of worms here, but I mostly remember a few people from the Daniel side, a few people from the ship side, mixing it up in very ugly fashions across all boards. Granted, it was basically a handful of people who behaved pretty badly (and some of them still do - I think the creation of the derogatory phrase "Dannyranter" shows just how immature some of the fandom is). BOTH 'sides' engaged in letter writing campaigns. Heck, the ship fans still go "write write write for s/j" etc. Personally, I only put stamps on my bills;) but I am curious 'at what any cost' means??

But anyway, yes, it is possible to like all the actors, and dislike the characters, or any combo you want. While Jonas never did much for me, I have nothing against the actor and KNOW he can do a heckuva better acting than what he showed in SG1.

One thing I've noticed in fandom, which is almost general, come to think of it, is that there is a larger percentage of fans now who are overly-sensitive to remarks. If you point out a typo, they think you want to burn them at the stake, etc. Even if you use an emoticon. (and no, I'm not pointing at anyone on this thread; i'm thinking other threads, other boards, even other fandoms).

Part of the problem is age difference, cultural difference, different countries. I'd like to say the older fans are better but actually some of them can be the worst ;)

LaCroix
April 7th, 2006, 01:18 PM
As much as I would love Jonas to make an apperance. I hope that Corin does well in Nice Guys and TAS.

Elwe Singollo
April 7th, 2006, 03:18 PM
As much as I would love Jonas to make an apperance. I hope that Corin does well in Nice Guys and TAS.I second your post, haha. If i had known tons of episodes in S8 and 9 were going to be dissapointing (to my stupid high standards which i have yet to know why i still have them) i would have rather have seen them spend money bringing back Corin to do a couple episodes here and there.

LaCroix
April 7th, 2006, 03:51 PM
I second your post, haha. If i had known tons of episodes in S8 and 9 were going to be dissapointing (to my stupid high standards which i have yet to know why i still have them) i would have rather have seen them spend money bringing back Corin to do a couple episodes here and there.


Sorry a little OT- love your Buffy pic.

the fifth man
April 8th, 2006, 11:28 PM
I'd really only want to see Jonas return if TPTB really had a good use for his character in an ep. Seeing him just to see him would be pretty pointless to me.

okelay
April 30th, 2006, 08:31 PM
*shreds a tear*
really, their loss, his character has lots of potential.
i think i'll go in search for some jonas fic

akren
August 22nd, 2006, 07:41 AM
Now that STARGATE SG-1 is supposedly cancelled (as of the end of Season 10), do you think they might give Jonas Quinn a cameo, or even a role, in any spin-off series, mini-series &/or moive that TPTB might want to make?

I would like to see Corin Nemec reprrise his role for Jonas one more time before the fnal certain on SG-1 comes down : what better way to end Sg-1 with a reference to the team member whom helped see them through when Daniel was Ascended? :jonas:

smurf
August 22nd, 2006, 07:47 AM
I'd be very, very surprised. Especially as they didn't take the opportunity to extend an invite for the 200th episode.

DanJack
July 7th, 2008, 04:31 PM
I still think he should have been in "Ripple Effect". It would have made a huge amount of sense. Treating Jonas the way they did is the one big negative mark on the whole franchise IMHO. I love Stargate in all its iterations, but dumping all over Jonas was not necessary.

There are still many people who miss Jonas and would like to see him make more appearances. I also fall into the category of liking both Daniel and Jonas. I admit I was one of the ones hoping for Daniel's return, but I wasn't hoping for Jonas to go away.

I think the lowest thing of all was when they said Langara had fallen, but they didn't even mention Jonas by name. I didn't see that as an attack on Jonas so much as a slap in the face to Jonas fans everywhere.

:jonas: Lives!

Muh_tuttles
July 15th, 2008, 11:28 PM
I miss Jonas!!!!

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

Jeff O'Connor
July 17th, 2008, 06:12 AM
In my perfect world, an eleventh season of SG-1 opened with a two-parter on Langara and Jonas. Haha.

generaloneill
July 22nd, 2008, 06:57 AM
I read somewhere not sure where may have been on Joseph's mallozzi's blog or in a magazine that Jonas is still alive and kicking and has formed an
anti-ori resistance.

they should bring jonas back even if it is just for one episode of atlantis or an SG-1 movie.

One thing that annoyed me about the episode Ripple Effect was that on every alternate SG-1 that gated in Jonas wasn't on any one of them.

O'Neill wasn't either couldn't they have had one alternate reality where he doesn't make general and remains in command of SG-1.

Dumper
July 22nd, 2008, 11:54 AM
O'Neill wasn't either couldn't they have had one alternate reality where he doesn't make general and remains in command of SG-1.

I'm sure they would have loved to have O'Neill in the episode, but if RDA doesn't want to come back for the episode there isn't much they can do about it.

DanJack
July 22nd, 2008, 01:54 PM
In my perfect world, an eleventh season of SG-1 opened with a two-parter on Langara and Jonas. Haha.

Me too! I was hoping that the comment in Counterstrike was leading up to a great Jonas episode, but no such luck! Think how awesome it would have been if there was an episode with the entire team (including Jonas) working together to free his planet! That could have rocked!!!

I just don't understand why they don't bring him back for SG-1 movies or the third Stargate series or something. He is a very popular character who has great potential to be explored further!!!

The producers say they had no problems with Corin, and Corin says he had no problems with them, so it isn't a matter of them not wanting to work with Corin Nemec the actor.

Maybe they don't realize how most fans love the character of Jonas (most people never had a problem with Jonas they just wanted Daniel around too). Or, maybe they still think that there is no place for him because Daniel returned, but that's not really the case either. Now with movies, there would definitely be a place for Jonas Quinn in the Stargate world. He doesn't have to be on the SG-1 team specifically. Daniel and Jonas are not the same character and each bring a very different vibe and actually had great on screen rapport together.

If they can bring back Beckett, I don't see why they can't bring back Jonas -- especially since a lot of people still really love the character. Corin has also said he would love to return, so I don't see why not. Maybe the fans just need to do a better job of requesting his return and expressing how popular Jonas still is. Let's rally! :)


:jonas: Lives!

poundpuppy29
July 22nd, 2008, 02:15 PM
I just read this thread from the beginning and I am sorry but it really doesn't make sense to see Jonas again from a story perspective from what I can see. I am a Daniel fan but I did not watch from the beginning I discovered this franchise in late 2006. I managed to buy the the first 9 seasons on DVD and season 6 was hard to watch I did this twice and both times it was painful and I knew Daniel was comming back. The only 2 ep I liked with Jonas was Frozen and Full Circle. If he would've been written that way for the entire season I would've adored him. This is just my humble opinion

=SGA=Jason_Binn
July 22nd, 2008, 03:08 PM
didnt his planet fall to the ori??? and jonas being jonas wouldnt have been shot dead trying to do something anti ori

DanJack
July 22nd, 2008, 05:20 PM
I just read this thread from the beginning and I am sorry but it really doesn't make sense to see Jonas again from a story perspective from what I can see. I am a Daniel fan but I did not watch from the beginning I discovered this franchise in late 2006. I managed to buy the the first 9 seasons on DVD and season 6 was hard to watch I did this twice and both times it was painful and I knew Daniel was comming back. The only 2 ep I liked with Jonas was Frozen and Full Circle. If he would've been written that way for the entire season I would've adored him. This is just my humble opinion

I am a massive Daniel fan as well. Daniel and Jonas are my two favorite characters in the entire series. It's not an issue of one or the other, as they are two completely different characters other than having a similar position on the team. In fact, before it sounds like you got into Stargate (during season 6) there was a big movement called, "Save Daniel Jackson" (you have probably heard stories about it). Many of us put in time and even $$$ to push MGM to bring him back, so I can definitely understand the love for Danny boy.

I respect your opinion, but I can't agree about it not making sense for Jonas to come back. Characters come back because fans love them not just because they are in the story arc of the moment. That is why Don S Davis (God bless him and may he R.I.P.) appeared so many times as General Hammond after he left the series, that is why Jack O'neill is appearing in Continuum, and that is also why Beckett is back in Atlantis. Speaking strictly in terms of story perspective there is no character that "needs" to come back. That includes Daniel, Jack, Sam, Teal'c, Jonas or anyone else. The characters come back because people want to see them not because they are essential to the story (ultimately no one is completely).

My personal opinion is that SG-1 season 6 is one of the best in the entire series. There are a few semistinkers here and there, but overall it has some of the best episodes out there.

My point is that I believe there are a lot of huge Jonas fans out there, and I would love to see TPTB include Jonas in future Stargate stories, and not ignore his fanbase. It is my opinion, but I have seen TPTB include a lot of other characters seemingly just because people want to see them again, and I would like to see the same for Jonas.


:jonas: Lives!

DanJack
July 22nd, 2008, 05:24 PM
didnt his planet fall to the ori??? and jonas being jonas wouldnt have been shot dead trying to do something anti ori

Yes, his planet did fall, but Jonas was too smart to die stupidly. As Joe Mallozzi has suggested, he probably started an underground movement to fight the Ori.

:jonas: Lives!

the fifth man
July 22nd, 2008, 07:55 PM
I think Jonas survived the Ori invasion of his world. Sadly, I just don't think we'll actually ever see him again.

DanJack
July 23rd, 2008, 05:12 AM
I think Jonas survived the Ori invasion of his world. Sadly, I just don't think we'll actually ever see him again.

That may be true, but I think it would be sad indeed. I just don't see why that should be the case since the character still has a lot of fans and was an integral member of the cast.

Here's hoping TPTB will see that and bring him back.

:jonas: Lives!

Teal'c_PI
July 23rd, 2008, 07:55 AM
In many ways, I thought that Jonas was better than Daniel. He had all the knowledge of the Ancients and of other cultures, but he was also very observant and knew a bit more about technology and other assorted things. Daniel's great--don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of him as well--but I wish that they could tell us just what happened to Jonas!

EDIT

Oh, and when was Kelowna/Langara conquered by the Ori? I saw all the season 9/10 episodes a while ago but don't remember it being mentioned. I also see nothing about it in the Omnipedia. Could anyone tell me when this happened?

Tobin Dax
July 23rd, 2008, 12:23 PM
i really hope he hasn't gone forever, he was great in all the episodes he was in. Especially in the one where Anubis tried to conquer his world, where him and Daniel worked together to get off the ship.
That may have been because i like the fact daniel was back...
nevertheless i still think Jonas totally ruled and i want him in the next movie!

DanJack
July 23rd, 2008, 01:02 PM
In many ways, I thought that Jonas was better than Daniel. He had all the knowledge of the Ancients and of other cultures, but he was also very observant and knew a bit more about technology and other assorted things. Daniel's great--don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of him as well--but I wish that they could tell us just what happened to Jonas!

EDIT

Oh, and when was Kelowna/Langara conquered by the Ori? I saw all the season 9/10 episodes a while ago but don't remember it being mentioned. I also see nothing about it in the Omnipedia. Could anyone tell me when this happened?

I like them both, but I know what you mean. I loved his powers of observation as well (Nightwalkers was a really sweet episode!).

Another thing I liked about is Jonas his great attitude. He really had that whole wide eyed innocence and sense of amazement. To me, he never came across as jaded, and he really brought that whole, "it's great to travel through the Stargate" attitude that I don't think anyone else has completely captured since - including Daniel (except in the beginning perhaps. Cam is the second closest in my opinion). I feel that there really aren't that many straight up optimists in the SG universe and Jonas was unique in this area. (From what I hear, Corin Nemec is this way in real life too).

If I had to compare his character to someone else, it would have to be Fox Mulder from the X-Files. He also was super intelligent, but had that almost childlike innocence and sense of wonder about him. I think Jonas perspective was unique and I think it was nice to have in the Stargate world. I truly miss seeing Jonas.

The episode you are asking about is "Counterstrike". In it there is a line that said that Langara had fallen to the Ori, but there is no mention of Jonas at all. It kind of felt like a slap in the face to a lot of Jonas fans because they didn't even bother to check out the planet, mention him, or anything. It was just an afterthought in the episode. In Joseph Mallozzi's blog he says that he believes that Jonas survied and kept fighting the Ori in an underground resistance. Since he and Paul Mullie wrote episode I guess he should know.
I don't blame Darren and David for not updating the omnipedia to reflect this though, as this has not been confirmed officially and the current status of Jonas remains unknown.

I just hope that TPTB wake up one day and realize that there are a lot of Jonas fans out there who would really like to see him appear in the Stargate world again.

:jonas: Lives! (I hope)

MmmmMcKAy
July 23rd, 2008, 04:03 PM
I would love to see Jonas return for anything...be it a movie or some SGA.

DanJack
July 23rd, 2008, 05:49 PM
I would love to see Jonas return for anything...be it a movie or some SGA.

Me too. I think that has kind of been the point I have been harping on over and over lately. We Jonas fans (and we are many) would just love to see him appear in the Stargate world again whatever format that may be in. I don't think that's such a big request, and I think thay too much time has passed since he has last appeared. It was very common in SG-1 to bring back a race or character that hasn't appeared in awhile, so that also shouldn't be out of the question to see one of the most popular Stargate characters return.


:jonas: Lives!

Teal'c_PI
August 4th, 2008, 08:56 AM
I like them both, but I know what you mean. I loved his powers of observation as well (Nightwalkers was a really sweet episode!).

Another thing I liked about is Jonas his great attitude. He really had that whole wide eyed innocence and sense of amazement. To me, he never came across as jaded, and he really brought that whole, "it's great to travel through the Stargate" attitude that I don't think anyone else has completely captured since - including Daniel (except in the beginning perhaps. Cam is the second closest in my opinion). I feel that there really aren't that many straight up optimists in the SG universe and Jonas was unique in this area. (From what I hear, Corin Nemec is this way in real life too).

If I had to compare his character to someone else, it would have to be Fox Mulder from the X-Files. He also was super intelligent, but had that almost childlike innocence and sense of wonder about him. I think Jonas perspective was unique and I think it was nice to have in the Stargate world. I truly miss seeing Jonas.

The episode you are asking about is "Counterstrike". In it there is a line that said that Langara had fallen to the Ori, but there is no mention of Jonas at all. It kind of felt like a slap in the face to a lot of Jonas fans because they didn't even bother to check out the planet, mention him, or anything. It was just an afterthought in the episode. In Joseph Mallozzi's blog he says that he believes that Jonas survied and kept fighting the Ori in an underground resistance. Since he and Paul Mullie wrote episode I guess he should know.
I don't blame Darren and David for not updating the omnipedia to reflect this though, as this has not been confirmed officially and the current status of Jonas remains unknown.

I just hope that TPTB wake up one day and realize that there are a lot of Jonas fans out there who would really like to see him appear in the Stargate world again.

:jonas: Lives! (I hope)

Thanks for your info! I never thought of comparing Jonas to Mulder, but I can see the similarity.

DanJack
August 4th, 2008, 10:51 AM
Thanks for your info! I never thought of comparing Jonas to Mulder, but I can see the similarity.

Thanks for your feedback. This is of course all just my opinion, but being a fan of a myriad of genre and Sci-Fi shows I sometimes do try to draw parrellels for myself.

Being a supporter of Stargate since the feature film and SG-1 since season 1 I enjoyed the often optimistic outlook that is represented in the Stargate shows. That's why in some ways, I have been disappointed that there really doesn't seem to be an optimist left on the SG-1 team. Daniel was kind of that way for the first few seasons (although I think he was more of a humanist versus an optimist), but I don't really think there has been one there since Jonas left.

I never saw Daniel and Jonas as the same character at all even though they served a similar function on the team (it's kind of like comparing Carter and McKay). I suspect that many people who claimed this were perhaps just upset because Daniel left for a time. I am one of those people who think that Jonas brought a unique perspective to the franchise that didn't replace the need for Daniel, but just added a different take.

I know the plan originally was for Jonas to spin-off into Atlantis, and though I am very happy with McKay, I do miss seeing Jonas in the Stargate world. I know from interviews, Brad Wright once believed in the character, but maybe somewhere along the way they just ran out of ideas for Jonas. I don't know.

Any who, I did appreciate seeing that cheerful perspective Jonas brought. I keep hoping one day someone in production will see this too and bring him back for a visit or two or three (or the third series). ;)

RepliBeau
August 7th, 2008, 09:46 AM
And the Producers have said that many of the characters that have fallen off the radar they would like to bring back for stargate movies

which makes since for several reasons. 1) It makes the fans happy 2) characters that we havent seen for awhile lack the development for the main cast, therefore dont need to be explained to the audience who arent big fans of the show. If Jonas were to appear in a stargate movie, all they would have to say is "this is my old friend Jonas, we used to work together"

Since Nemec and the Producers both say that they're still on good terms, it seems very unlikely that TPTB arent allowing him to return, and more likely that there is no reason for him to return as of yet, especially with SG1 ended, it would be very strange for Jonas to show up on Atlantis.

Pawe
August 17th, 2008, 01:44 AM
Concerning Atlantis, yes that's true, I don't see any fathomable reason to bring Jonas into that series. I'm personally a great fan of Jonas, and thought that including him the SG-1 was really something refreshing. Like already mentioned, that new perspective that he brought and the sheer boy-like enthusiasm is something truly awesome.

I do hope to see him in straight to DVD movies though. Besides, Cam and Vala have never met him before, they might only know him by name from some old mission reports but that's it. With Cam's attitude it would be nice to bring an "outworlder" to their team.

_Famrir_
August 17th, 2008, 06:32 PM
it would be great to see him in the next movie but it world be very odd if we saw him on stargate universe

RedvsBlue
August 17th, 2008, 09:32 PM
Cam and Vala have never met him before

Didn't Cam meet him in that one episode ? Daniel & him goes back to his Home World only to be captured etc

DanJack
August 22nd, 2008, 08:46 AM
Didn't Cam meet him in that one episode ? Daniel & him goes back to his Home World only to be captured etc

Was that from season 10 B that I didn't see? I wish that was true, but unfortunately no. Many people beg to see Jonas make another appearence, but to no avail. TPTB seem to hate Jonas for some reason and do not want to revisit the character I guess. It makes me and a lot of Jonas fans very sad, as thr character still has loads of potential, but he hasn't appeared since season 7 of SG-1. He was referenced in season 8 and his planet was mentioned in season 10, but he did not appear.

padr49904
August 22nd, 2008, 01:14 PM
Didn't Cam meet him in that one episode ? Daniel & him goes back to his Home World only to be captured etc
No different planet entierly lol. That was Jared Kane I think (sorry if I am wrong on the name). Cam has never met Jonas.

Kracker
January 10th, 2009, 12:18 PM
Never cared for Jonas, so I cant claim I was dissapointed to never see him again.