Ancient cloaking technology

[finalphoenix]

If Atlantis can cloak and the puddle jumpers can cloak then how about the Orion it could do some deep space reconnaisance maybe even find out the wraiths weakness that the original aurora discovered.

[The Prophet]

There's no reason to say that it can't. It's up to TPTB to decide.

Although, it seems that in the SG Universe, only Small things can Cloak: such as the PJs & Goa'uld Cargo Ships. The only reason Atlantis Claoked was removing a PJ cloak & tying it into the Shields-loosing the Sheilds but gaining a cloak. The Orion would probably not have a cloak unless the Atlantis Team exchange the Shield for a Cloak, which I doubt they'd do as it's a Warship of somesorts. Designed for Offence & Defence, not scouting or under-cover info. So...

[finalphoenix]

But if you remember to one of the earlier seasons in stargate when apophis met in a minefield he was able to cloak an entire fleet of motherships but your right nothing in the pegasus galaxy bigger than a puddle jumper had a cloak of its own

[Stuey1221]

I have a feelin that its either goint to be able to A) Cloak or B) Have some tough as nails shield that can outlast anything the wraith can throw at it.

Maybe if it has a shield, it could expand around the Deadalus providing extra cover, we've seen that the PJ's shield can expand!

what does TPTB mean by the way

[freyr's mother]

The Powers That Be. I dont think they'd do that becaue it would give us too big of an advantage. After all, they make the characters dumber than they would be in a real situation.

[Ludofjn]

what is the point of a cloak? besiides a hunterkiller op

[Stuey1221]

what is the point of a cloak? besiides a hunterkiller op

To... hide yourself, surprise attacks, scouting!

[Iguana775]

why dont they McGyver one of the cloaks to the Deadulas? lol. they did it to Atlantis.

[zpm!!]

cloak is special thing for ships that don't have shields or for ships that are scouts. nothing more, nothing less!!!!

[Iguana775]

Well, Atlantis has a shield. Who's to say a war ship cant have a cloak? worked pretty well for the Klingons. lol.

[Stuey1221]

The warship probably does have a cloak, the PJ's do. why not implement it onto something bigger and better

(slightly random: the atlanteans didnt have heads like my Dad frowning)

[Artha O'neill]

If Atlantis can cloak and the puddle jumpers can cloak then how about the Orion it could do some deep space reconnaisance maybe even find out the wraiths weakness that the original aurora discovered.

In "Before I Sleep" there was a transport ship bound for Atlantis but it got destroyed and over 300 lanteans were killed my point is if they did have cloak the ship carrying them wouldn't have been in much of a crisis, mate. :rolleyes:

[Avenger]

It all depends on what they want to use the war ship for. Ideally, the cloak would be on something smaller. The best would be to get the Jumpers equipped with hyperdrives.

[NakedJehutyV2]

they should put it in the daedalus since it's sucks against anything cept fighters

[Stuey1221]

they should put it in the daedalus since it's sucks against anything cept fighters

lol, does everyone hate the Deadalus except me?

The Odyssey seems better, or is that just me?

[Insipid]

The Odyssey and the Deadalus are pretty much the same thing, they're both 304's, so there's not really a "better" of the two. Unless of course, you take into account command experience, which Caldwell of the Deadalus has more of.

[lissafoss]

i love the Deadlus, and i like Caldwell as its comander. maybe the cloak technology wont work with ours. If it was possible i think McKay would have suggested it my now.

[Insipid]

I don't think that it's possible for the Earth Vessels to have the cloak, because for the cloak to work on Atlantis they needed the Almighty Zed Pee Em. While the 304's are based on Goa'uld, Asgard and Ancient technologies, they are reverse engineered, so for all intents and purposes the equipment is "Tau'ri," with a few exceptions here and there.

[Bacardi]

i really dont like this discussion. it makes me think too much about the rediculous holes left in the ancients story. they were the most advanced race in the history of the universe..yet they couldnt figure out a way to incorporate a shield, a cloak, intergalactic hyperdrive and weapons all into one ship? surely if they had factories to create zpm's then powering a ship with 2 or 3 wouldnt be a problem. one for each of the afore mentioned systems. if they had the ability to create weapon satelites that with one shot destroyed a hive ship, why not have the same tech on atlantis or on their ships. hell that satellite didnt even need a zpm to work. imagine a rapid fire version 'cos wouldnt need to wait for the low-grade power supply to charge it up.

the ancients had all these individual techs that if combined would have made them unstoppable, but it seems they just couldnt be bothered... now if earth have the initiative to use the tech to its full potential.. things might go a little differently. but we'd have the wraith wiped out in a matter of 4 seasons.

[Insipid]

It's not a plot hole, it's more of a science-y thing. Too much power = overload = boom = deadness.

[Unamed]

the orion has a shield just like atlantis in that a cloak generator could be taken from a jumper and interfaced in the same way they did in the seige part three. Its pretty doubtfull that itll have both and it makes more sense to have a shield than a cloak.

[Blaminator]

Apohis' fleed had a shield and a cloak.

[Stuey1221]

The orion will have a shield and a cloak, everythin else in Atlantis, including Atlantis and PJ's have cloaks and/or shields

[Unamed]

if it had a cloak then sheppard wouldn have had to get lourne to "park" it just outside of the wraiths sensor range because he could have just cloaked

[Stuey1221]

if it had a cloak then sheppard wouldn have had to get lourne to "park" it just outside of the wraiths sensor range because he could have just cloaked

Dont forget it has been in a hangar for X amount of years, so maybe they haven't got everything on it working yet, they're still activating things on Atlantis too dont forget.

[Lady Bastet]

But if you remember to one of the earlier seasons in stargate when apophis met in a minefield he was able to cloak an entire fleet of motherships but your right nothing in the pegasus galaxy bigger than a puddle jumper had a cloak of its own Yes but Goa'uld technology is harvested from a variety of donors. Also despite how quickly the died in SG1 people like Apophis had been alive for thousands of years. In the case of Goa'uld scientists like Thoth, Nirrti and Nerus that is a lot of research.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

from what understood its either or. same thing used to use shields was used for the cloak, build 2 and thats a major power drain. for atlantis you really dont need both running in unison

[Unamed]

Dont forget it has been in a hangar for X amount of years, so maybe they haven't got everything on it working yet, they're still activating things on Atlantis too dont forget.
quite true but i still think it'll onyl have a shield, just a feeling i have i guess

[IcyNeko]

A couple things to remember...

1) The atlanteans underestimated their opponent. They stated this in the hologram.

2) The cloak that was used on Atlantis is effectively their city shield interfaced with a Jumper's cloak generator to in effect create a shield that reflects energy at a different wavelength (thus allowing things under it to be invisible).

3) When a society gets advanced enough, they don't think of the simple things. We've seen this. Thor brought Sam to fight the replicators because they couldn 't think of the obvious thing to do (blow up the O'Neill). It was Sam's "Stupid Idea" that saved the day. Could it be that the Atlanteans thought that it wasn't dire enough to cloak the city?

4) In much of Scifi, cloaking a ship takes inredible amounts of power. Oftentimes, it's so power-consuming that you can't fire weapons while cloaked because all reserve power is going to the cloak.

5) The Tauri vessels only generate enough power to sustain an asgard shield at 10% (my guess). If they applied their shield generators to Puddlejumper cloaks, the ship wouldn't be able to sustain the cloak due to the power consumption requirements.

My guess is... can they get the Orion to cloak? Possibly. Most likely. First, they need to get her operational and in a non-limping state.

More importantly... why is Hermiod not copying the Ancient Repository of Knowledge (aka: Atlantis's mainframe) or at least using it's technical information in the database to mock up things for the asgard and the Tauri?

SHouldn't there be a ZPM schematic in the database?

Also, what is the Orion running on? I would venture to guess a ZPM or so...

[2ndgenerationalteran]

but no earth vessels ever had a cloak,

and the last two lines you wrote, many threads discuss that buddy