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2ndgenerationalteran
March 21st, 2006, 08:21 PM
being that orlin was allowed to decend (to tell us the ori's true intentions so we wouldnt worship them) and that other than us undergoing complete anhilation (which is ok to the MW ascended beings) they might worry that if the crusaders might force people into origin, giving the ori enough power to kill the MW ancients, do you think that we may see shifu, skara, kasuf or any other ascended being we know to help us make ships and weapons so origin isnt spread through out the galaxy?

the fifth man
March 21st, 2006, 09:56 PM
being that orlin was allowed to decend (to tell us the ori's true intentions so we wouldnt worship them) and that other than us undergoing complete anhilation (which is ok to the MW ascended beings) they might worry that if the crusaders might force people into origin, giving the ori enough power to kill the MW ancients, do you think that we may see shifu, skara, kasuf or any other ascended being we know to help us make ships and weapons so origin isnt spread through out the galaxy?

That would work for me.:) I whole-heartedly believe that the Ancients are going to be faced with a real dilemma pretty soon. Things are eventually going to come to a point where the Ancients must step in against the Ori, or risk being destroyed by them. Because if the Ori do gain too much power, they will be ready to take on the Ancients.

jenks
March 21st, 2006, 10:01 PM
Maybe when the Korelev was destroyed Daniel ascended again and had a chance to have a chat with Merlin...

Chutzpah
March 21st, 2006, 11:06 PM
Maybe when the Korelev was destroyed Daniel ascended again and had a chance to have a chat with Merlin...

I hope that isn't true. Three times is pushing it.

It would be good to seem them again. The story certainly allows for it.

2ndgenerationalteran
March 22nd, 2006, 05:00 PM
i really hope the writers explore this because it will finally show the ascended beings as having some measure of mortality and having fears. and cmon new high tech ships are just about the coolest things. just hope they dont put it in too late.

Antimatter Sam
March 22nd, 2006, 07:03 PM
What about the Hersesis child? He seemed like he was a bit compassionate to those who were being oppressed and brutalized.

draven99
March 23rd, 2006, 08:35 AM
What ever happened to the child that OMA was looking after, Share's child?

Lokii
March 23rd, 2006, 08:49 AM
I do think the ancients intervene in season 10. Just when is another matter.

Shaft
March 26th, 2006, 07:43 AM
Yeah, the ancients will probably have to step in at some point. I mean, it's not like we were doing that well against the oriafter all, at the end of season 9 our ships were getting cut apart pretty badly. Heck, even the asgard ship wasn't able to do much
The writers will probably have them come in just in the nick of time so that they can save the galaxy.

finalphoenix
March 26th, 2006, 08:20 AM
The ori have endowed the priors with superhuman powers they have also constructed a fleet with extremely strong offensive and defensive systems,so that they can begin their 'final solution' so the asceneded ancients that have so far stood back are goin to have to show themselves in one form or the other soon or else the universe is doomed because the ori will not stop until everyone follows origin

metroid
March 26th, 2006, 09:08 AM
Imagine something happening like in atlantis where the ancient used her powers to destroy all wraith. That would be so cool if it happened with an Ori ship, no way their shields could stop that :)

Metarock Sam
March 26th, 2006, 01:38 PM
What ever happened to the child that OMA was looking after, Share's child?
That child is Shifu the harsesis chid. He Gated away after teaching Daniel that his knowlege was too evil for anyone to use in Absoloute Power.

the fifth man
March 26th, 2006, 01:41 PM
That child is Shifu the harsesis chid. He Gated away after teaching Daniel that his knowlege was too evil for anyone to use in Absoloute Power.

Yep, he ascended before he left.

Metarock Sam
March 26th, 2006, 01:45 PM
He was only descended for a few brief hours and I think Oma and or the other ancients made an exception to him as after all he is the Harsesis.

2ndgenerationalteran
March 26th, 2006, 02:50 PM
its just a matter of time, many planets would convert to origin and give the ori more power when faced with annihilation, its either they help us or we have to worship the alterans so they can fight the ori off, 1st one is more possible becase its the lesser of the 2 evils

Insipid
March 28th, 2006, 03:48 AM
Metarock Sam:

I don't think that Shifu ever "de-ascended." I think that he temporarily took human-like form to ease with the communication with humans, much like Oma did the times that she communicated with "non-ascended" Daniel.

A "non-ascended" being, or rather a "non-ascended" human, wouldn't have been able to affect Daniel the way he did by touch[the whole forever in a day thing].

Besides, the Ascended Ancients could give half a hump that Shifu was a Harsesis, only Oma and her few supporters would have cared.

2ndgenerationalteran
March 30th, 2006, 09:04 PM
if an ancient can do what chaya in the PG did then i dont see why we use that to our advantage. in our case it may be more then 1 because they would be under attack by the ori, but lure all the ships there and blow them the frack up.

Insipid
March 30th, 2006, 11:24 PM
That goes against the whole 'non-interference' deal [that TPTB like to pound into our heads every episode so that we don't forget] the Ancients believe in, much like Star Trek's Prime Directive.

I don't see the Ancients directly influencing the outcome of a "lower beings" problem/battle. The followers of the Ori are not the Ancients problems, it's SG-1's problem.

FallenAngelII
March 31st, 2006, 08:20 AM
The ori have endowed the priors with superhuman powers they have also constructed a fleet with extremely strong offensive and defensive systems,so that they can begin their 'final solution' so the asceneded ancients that have so far stood back are goin to have to show themselves in one form or the other soon or else the universe is doomed because the ori will not stop until everyone follows origin

Their offensive powers are... stupid. It takes a long time for those beams to charge and once fired, they fly with an incredibly low velocity. Anyone with half a brain would know to make themselves moving targets (as the Asgard vessel DID and hence survived)!

And voila, Ori weapons rendered useless!

talyn2k1
April 1st, 2006, 02:25 AM
Their offensive powers are... stupid. It takes a long time for those beams to charge and once fired, they fly with an incredibly low velocity. Anyone with half a brain would know to make themselves moving targets (as the Asgard vessel DID and hence survived)!

And voila, Ori weapons rendered useless!

But their point defense weapons are still pretty dangerous...took out a Hatak with 2/3 hits!

Lokii
April 6th, 2006, 08:27 AM
That goes against the whole 'non-interference' deal [that TPTB like to pound into our heads every episode so that we don't forget] the Ancients believe in, much like Star Trek's Prime Directive.

I don't see the Ancients directly influencing the outcome of a "lower beings" problem/battle. The followers of the Ori are not the Ancients problems, it's SG-1's problem.

I see the ancient's dealing with the Ori and their technology and leaving the Ori's followers for the "lower beings" to deal with.

It is also possible that the ancients even the playing field in some way. I was thinking of the giving of some technology that would be similar to the Ori tech.

2ndgenerationalteran
April 12th, 2006, 09:15 PM
if the ancients kill the ori then i dont see them giving us tech but aslong as the ori live with their "misinformed galactic encyclopedia sales men" rambling their heads off the ancients have to fear the ori taking over MWG, so unless they deal w/ ori priors and ships directly like chaya i see it is inevitable they will help us out tech wise

NotAscended
April 12th, 2006, 11:20 PM
That goes against the whole 'non-interference' deal [that TPTB like to pound into our heads every episode so that we don't forget] the Ancients believe in, much like Star Trek's Prime Directive.

I don't see the Ancients directly influencing the outcome of a "lower beings" problem/battle. The followers of the Ori are not the Ancients problems, it's SG-1's problem.

I think that you're correct about the Ancients becoming directly involved. As far as we know, whenever an Ancient has "descended" to help out, it has been to bring a message and help with a specific Ori-created problem (Orlin) or has been done in secret to work on a weapon that was directed at the Ori themselves (Merlin). Oma has been the notable exception, in helping people to ascend and protecting the Shifu. Even when Daniel was ascended, he didn't directly interfere, except when he tried to take out Anubis and was stopped. However, we know that the majority of the Ascended beings don't particularly care for the activities of these individuals.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if another "rogue" individual Ancient decided to try to help in some way and wouldn't be surprised if it were one with some personal connection to SG-1. We don't know Merlin or Oma's backstory very well, but all the other Ancients who have helped people (Orlin, Daniel and Chaya) had some personal connection that compelled them to help the people they cared about. So ... wild speculation here ... if we were to see an Ascended being show up to help, it might be someone from Abydos who comes to help SG-1, but do so in an "under the Ancient radar" kind of way.

2ndgenerationalteran
July 29th, 2006, 12:06 AM
with the recent show its about time to bring it back up,

we learned to night we have some support buy very few ascended beings. hopefully they can organize and help us while the others shield what they do from the others. but we have to reacive help eventually, daniel picked up on this that if we loose the power would be increadibly unbalanced in the ori's favor.