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Thoth
July 25th, 2004, 08:07 AM
This is a spin off from my other thread: 'The Little Engine That Could, But Didnt'. That one covers shows that were good but never made it past the first season (see thread for more details) (Id put in a link if I knew how).

This one deals with shows that were very very bad from their first season, but somehow managed to get past their rightful home, the chopping board, and stumbled into their second season or, perhaps, beyond. ;)

So, I now ask you for:
Shows which continued on, after their 1st season, but really shouldn' have, in your opinion.

Ill understand if you dont want to answer this particular question because it may offend some people and get you into some fights. But Id appreciate it if you'd share your opinions on the matter, even if its just defending a show from someone else. :D . If not, you might want to drop around to 'The Little Engine That Could, But Didnt' to tell us your views over there.

Thanks

Thoth
July 25th, 2004, 08:10 AM
Im gonna be brave and dive headlong in.

My answer to my own question would have to be Mutant X. I didnt like that show from day one, it was corny, a blatent copy of good old X-Men and had about a hundred other things wrong with it which I wont go into. Well, actually, I will.
It was far too passionate, whenever a bad guy kissed one of his little sex slaves it was like a revelation in love. They used to almost eat eachother, they were kissing so intensely.
I can remember in one episode, Shalamar (sp?) managed to have sex, with her pants on. A bad guy came bursting in and she stood up, with pants on. The only conclusion I can get is that they werent having sex, but she sure was sweaty and tired, what else could she be doing to make her like that with her pants on? I know the obvious other answer, but, with her pants on?
Anyway, I cant remember the many other things that were terrible with it. But dont you worry theyll come to me.
Now I realise that many people arent gonna like what I just said and I think it may be against the forum rules (is there something in there about show bashing. It might just be actor bashing). But Id prefer not to get into an fight about it and even if you do start attacking me and my ideas, Ill just ignore you so dont bother. But please, state your views on the matter, try to make a case for MX, if you can, which I doubt. :D And of course, critisise other programs, if you want and if it's allowed. ;)

ShadowMaat
July 25th, 2004, 08:53 AM
Are we talking strictly about shows that shouldn't have gone past their first season, or shows which, in general, wore out their welcome and bulled ahead anyway?

I'll agree that Mutant X never should have lasted past its original run. The fact that it keeps getting renewed continues to surprise me even though I know audiences these days will swallow just about anything. ;)

This is a harder category because I tend to ignore things I don't like so if stupid shows keep getting renewed, I don't always know about it.

For shows which were good for a while but continued past their expiration date...

X-Files should have ended at S5.
Millennium should have ended at S2.
Andromeda should definitely have been over by now. Much as I love Harper (and Rhade is easy on the eyes), the show itself is utter crap now and it wasn't that hot from the start.
Farscape should have skipped its last season.
Lone Gunmen and Harsh Realm should never have aired at all.
Scare Tactics and Mad Mad House are two more shows that should never have aired.
Not only should Tripping the Rift never have aired, but everyone remotely connected to getting it on the air should be thrashed soundly for bringing it to life.

Thoth
July 25th, 2004, 10:42 AM
Are we talking strictly about shows that shouldn't have gone past their first season, or shows which, in general, wore out their welcome and bulled ahead anyway?

I'll agree that Mutant X never should have lasted past its original run. The fact that it keeps getting renewed continues to surprise me even though I know audiences these days will swallow just about anything. ;)

This is a harder category because I tend to ignore things I don't like so if stupid shows keep getting renewed, I don't always know about it.

For shows which were good for a while but continued past their expiration date...

X-Files should have ended at S5.
Millennium should have ended at S2.
Andromeda should definitely have been over by now. Much as I love Harper (and Rhade is easy on the eyes), the show itself is utter crap now and it wasn't that hot from the start.
Farscape should have skipped its last season.
Lone Gunmen and Harsh Realm should never have aired at all.
Scare Tactics and Mad Mad House are two more shows that should never have aired.
Not only should Tripping the Rift never have aired, but everyone remotely connected to getting it on the air should be thrashed soundly for bringing it to life.

X-Files-mmm, yeah. I gotta agree. It got old!
I don't even know what Millenium is, but considering you're comment, that's a good thing. ;)
Never into Andromeda, I watched about two episodes, decided it was crap and never watched it again.
Was Farscape any good? Was it popular? I never even heard of it before news about Farscape: Whaever-the-mini-series-is-called came out. So, I watched an episode on Sci-fi and told myself it's over, there's no point in watching it. :p
Lone Gunmen? Harsh Realm? Tripping the Rift? Mad Mad House? Am I just REALLY out of touch or is there a good reason Ive never even heard of all these shows. :D
Scare Tactics. Finally, one that Ive watched. But, I have to say, utter crap! Serves Shannen Doherty right for leaving Charmed. :p

Do whatever you want in this thread, shows that have worn out thaeir welcome, shows you couldn't stand from Day One, shows which continue to be renewed even tho their crap *cou-Mautant X-ghs*. Hell, you can even put down shows which are annoyingly good, despite bad acting, story-lines, special effects, and you have no idea what makes them so enthralling. ;)

ShadowMaat
July 25th, 2004, 11:10 AM
Was Farscape any good? Was it popular? I never even heard of it before news about Farscape: Whaever-the-mini-series-is-called came out. So, I watched an episode on Sci-fi and told myself it's over, there's no point in watching it. :p
It was very popular in a cult status sort of way. It was a classic space opera piece, but it still managed to be pretty entertaining. I was a casual viewer rather than an avid fan, but the last season was, IMO, so godawful over-the-top with cheesiness, overly-contrived stories, ridiculous characters and pathetic love stories that I gave up watching. I have no interest in the miniseries.




Lone Gunmen? Harsh Realm?
Both from self-proclaimed god Chris Carter. The Lone Gunmen was an attempted spinoff of X-Files, but it took some cool, occasional-appearance characters and made them into full-time buffoons. It would be like Felger getting his own show. I watched the first ep or two but found myself cringing most of the time. It was so bad I was actually embarrassed for the actors and I was relieved when it finally got cancelled.

Harsh Realm was a good idea gone bad. It was based on a comic book series which was actually very nifty- a detective is hired to go into a virtual world/pocket universe to rescue a "missing" girl and encouters all kinds of wacky adventures along the way. The series was a bit different, though, and (naturally in a Chris Carter piece) involved hokey government conspiracies and other pompous nonsense. That's what I saw in the first few eps, anyway. I decided it was crap and stopped watching, but I know some people really liked it.





Tripping the Rift? Mad Mad House? Am I just REALLY out of touch or is there a good reason Ive never even heard of all these shows. :D
Both SCIFI original series. Tripping the Rift is softcore porn in cartoon form and Mad Mad House is a "scifi" version of something like Big Brother... only it makes Big Brother look GOOD! :eek: A bunch of freaks and "normals" go off to live in some house and have to interact in each others lives and rituals- including drinking blood (one is a vampire) and bathing in chicken parts (one is a voodoo priestess). It was sick and embarrassing all the way around and only served to enforce ridiculous sterotypes and see if they could out-gross themselves from week to week.

Anthro Girl
July 25th, 2004, 11:16 AM
Are we only talking about sci-fi here? or is that just because that's what most of us watch? ;)

I don't follow a lot of television, so most of the time I learn about shows through news or other media and think, "They made a show about that???!!!" :eek: :)

Not that I know what I'm talking about, but:

- Ditto what Shadow said about Scare Tactics, Mad Mad House and Tripping the Rift. Triple what she said about TtR, in fact. Off with their heads! Utter crap.

- For that matter, just about any reality show. Exceptions I can think of would be the cinema verité-style Airline, which I believe is in its second season (I'm not watching it regularly, but when I catch it it's fun). Airline, however, is a different kind of "reality show" than, say, "Survivor". It's more like a documentary.

- I read somewhere that they're working on a second season of The Restaurant. This is a bad idea. A bad, bad idea. That show tried to be cinema verité - cameras running, just do your thing - but in reality it was staged and ego-pumping crap.

- Can someone please tell me what Friends was all about? :rolleyes:

- Do soap operas - real soap operas, not space operas :p - count?

- Tremors probably doesn't count since it appears to have not made it past the 1st season (thank goodness). They have, however, done a "followup" tv movie. It was on last night. I didn't watch it. Something about pre-backstory and "Ohmygawd, poor Michael Gross!" :S

KorbenDirewolf
July 25th, 2004, 02:48 PM
As an avid fan of Farscape, I can agree with what Shadow says: most of the fourth season was no good. The focus of the series shifted a bit and the story just went downhill. Not sure if I'm even going to watch the miniseries when it airs. Farscape would have been much much better if Chriton had not suddenly become a know-it-all wormhole guy. If the knowledge had come to him slower or from another source it would have been better. Of course, that's just my opinion.

Tremors the Series was cancelled. Wasn't too bad, if you can believe in giant worms. But seriously, how can you do a series about giant worms each week? The movies were a lot better than the series, but still... GIANT WORMS? Didn't catch all of the new tv movie, but it seems to be an attempt to continue the franchise using as few of the people and characters previously involved as possible. The only true value to any of it is as simple as Let's-Watch-And-See-How-They-Kill-The-Giant-Worms-This-Time.

Here's a few more to consider:
Crossing Over: never should have been aired. At the least not aired as reality on the SciFi Channel.
Charmed: Wished it never existed.

Torley
July 25th, 2004, 05:09 PM
Both from self-proclaimed god Chris Carter. The Lone Gunmen was an attempted spinoff of X-Files, but it took some cool, occasional-appearance characters and made them into full-time buffoons. It would be like Felger getting his own show. I watched the first ep or two but found myself cringing most of the time. It was so bad I was actually embarrassed for the actors and I was relieved when it finally got cancelled.


HAHAHA. That's hilarious, I agree. Now, I liked the early seasons of the X-Files... but Chris Carter had like 3 downers for shows in a row (if you count Millennium, which had core devotees but really struggled to hang on), and that was just really, really sad. I felt even sadder that the Lone Gunmen had that dumb death sequence -- it was kind of like they knew how sad and pathetic they'd become in the last few years and just wanted to poison themselves all to death. Holy moly, they didn't have to ALL stay with that dude behind the doors. Nice "heroics", boys, and a real smear on your legacy. Wait, what legacy? Characters like that are best in occasional doses like dessert, but whole meals will KILL ya... or at least give you a real bad case of indigestion :P

My little bro detest Tripping the Rift because of its animation style and the "stripper-bot" or whatever that thing is. I can see why. It's nice to see it fought like an underdog to get recognition on the Sci-Fi channel, but I wonder how long that will last.

Crossing Over should have had a show AFTER it that debunked it. That John Edwards is full of hokum. Now, I'm open to the possibilities of psychic phenomena, but you won't find them in such a bunk fellow exploiting the 9/11 tragedy and talking to someone named... J-j-j-j... Jack... John... James?!? :P James Randi and Penn & Teller can easily make mincemeat out of him. There are too many phonies out there, and that waters things down and makes it hard to find any irrefutable proof of things which we now consider "ESP" and the like. Shame, shame. Science fiction? No, not even "soft sci-fi". Quacky scammery is more like it, and worth a couple of cheap laughs at best. But no more! :D

I didn't really like Mutant X, except for that girl with the cool hair. Lauren Lee Smith is the actress... cool hair like I said! The theme song was wicked too, complete with the same drum loop as Rob Zombie's "Dragula" (one of the remixes). But the rest was really... Misleading with a capital M.

Anthro Girl
July 25th, 2004, 05:22 PM
Okay...somebody might shoot me, but I gotta say it: :o

LEXX

There. I said it. I feel much better now. :p

ShadowMaat
July 25th, 2004, 05:29 PM
Amen, Anthro. I'm right there with ya. ;)

Actually, LOTS of stuff on SCIFI should never have aired... ;)

Quantum Leap was a great series, but the finale- or more specifically, that horrible little "tag" they put on the end- was absolutely one of the Most. Horrible. Things. Ever. He never goes home?! WTF kind of ending is that?? WAY too finalistic for my tastes. Pissed me off for days.

Shipperahoy
July 25th, 2004, 05:39 PM
The Quantam Leap finale still bugs me to this day whenever I think about it so thanks so much for bringing it up. I'm very much a happy ending person. What can I say? I'm boring. I like everything to be all tied up with neat little bows and no questions. With the possible exception of the Angel finale which a lot of people hated but that I find oddly fitting.

Tripping the Rift will stay on the air as long as there are teenage boys. I mean South Park has been on forever. Although, I have to say, that I actually enjoy South Park. It's rude, gross and politically incorrect but the funny thing is that there is usually a meaningful social commentary buried under all of the fart jokes which makes it even funnier to me.

Anthro Girl
July 25th, 2004, 05:52 PM
Amen, Anthro. I'm right there with ya. ;)

Actually, LOTS of stuff on SCIFI should never have aired... ;)
I think I saw the first four episodes (tv mini) of Lexx on The Movie Channel. I accidently caught the first episode of the tv mini-series and then had to watch the other three just to make sure I wasn't imagining things. Barry Bostwick? Tim Curry? Rutger Hauer? Malcolm McDowell?! Oy! Life just can't be that bad, guys! :S

It wasn't until two years ago that I realized that the show had, indeed, gone on and it was airing on SciFi. :eek:

Torley
July 25th, 2004, 05:55 PM
South Park does have social commentary, like other good precedessors like Simpsons. I found myself desensitized to South Park very quickly though, although it's good Parker & Stone & Co. are aware that a sandwich isn't just two slices of bread...

There are currently WAY too many Flash animation series on the web which depend on superviolence and obscenity (interpret that however you will) like Happy Tree Friends and its many derivatives, which I liked at first for its twisted take on cute animal stories, but got old really quickly. There's only so many times you can shock someone that way with a cute squirrel getting her brains bashed out before you go "meh" in search of your next cheap thrill.

In the long term, things like that don't breed much fan loyalty as opposed to Homestar Runner, which is a great product with many wonderful stories to tell and lots of merchandi$ing too! :D

Need I mention Sci-Fi Channel's Original Movies? ;)

ShadowMaat
July 25th, 2004, 05:59 PM
Need I mention Sci-Fi Channel's Original Movies? ;)
Ohhh, I dunno.... yeah, they're pretty bad story-wise, but if it hadn't been for Boa vs. Python I might never have realized the true buffness of David Hewlett. ;)

Then there's the fact that Corin is due to appear in one or more SCIFI films... At least SOMEONE likes him... :(

Anthro Girl
July 25th, 2004, 06:32 PM
Then there's the fact that Corin is due to appear in one or more SCIFI films... At least SOMEONE likes him... :(
He is? What did I miss? That's cool...except that they're SciFi movies. :rolleyes:

A lot of times it seems like they roll one out to compete with something in the theatres...almost exactly the same premise. I think they did that with the recent releases of Day After Tomorrow and ...shoot...something else I can't remember right now.

I did, however, rather like the "mutant killer fish on land" one with Gary Jones. How could you not? ;)

Anthro Girl
July 25th, 2004, 06:33 PM
BTW, Torley, I really like the titles of these two threads. Very clever! :)

kiwigater
July 25th, 2004, 06:36 PM
Now see, you've just re-traumatised me over the Quantum Leap fiasco!
Has to rate as my second fav series of all time - after Stargate of course, and even then its a close call, mostly cos QL ended, what, a decade ago, AND I'm still bitter about the end! Goes to show what long memories sci fi fans have!
I just think its a shoddy way to treat fans who have been behind a series for years to end it in such a depressing way. (PTB take note!). Still makes me sob like a little girl when I see that ep with Beth, and the finale is just as bad!

OK, totally OT here, seeing as I think QL was a show that should have and DID...

BUT, I think Enterprise fits into this thread. Maybe. Despite my devotion to Scott Bakula (yum!), and being a trekker in general, I just can't seem to stick with this series. I try, and try, but just haven't really enjoyed any of the eps. I don't know why. I think maybe it has to do with cast chemistry, I just don't get that from the Ent cast.
JMHO!
(I'm sure there are lots of people who'll disagree with me, *shrug*, to each their own...)

Torley
July 25th, 2004, 11:18 PM
BTW, Torley, I really like the titles of these two threads. Very clever! :)

Ehe Anthro Girl, thanks but I cannot accept that credit... credit for that goes to Thoth :)

(not Thorley :D hee hee)

Thinking of trains makes me think of Blaine the Mono.

Anthro Girl
July 26th, 2004, 01:09 AM
Ehe Anthro Girl, thanks but I cannot accept that credit... credit for that goes to Thoth :)

(not Thorley :D hee hee)
Er...um...yeah...I knew that! :) <scratch head>

Thanks Thoth! ;)

Xevallah
July 26th, 2004, 10:49 AM
A few points

a) Season 4 of Farscape was good. Not better then season 3 but come on! Some of my favourite episodes are in season 4. How can you NOT love John with a bomb strapped to his chest dancing on a table in a PK-Scarren conference?

b) The only way you can possibly enjoy lexx is if your on some kind of drug or heavy medication...SERIOUSLY!

c) The finale to Quantum Leap was one of the best endings to a sci-fi show ever. Come on! He had been choosen by god to help people and his work wasnt finished! I cant believe you would feel better if Sam was at home in a recliner sipping a beer then changing peoples lives for the better one day at a time. He wants to do this, he knows it is his destiny! His purpose! If only we could be so lucky as to have one so clear!

Shipperahoy
July 26th, 2004, 11:02 AM
I'm glad that you liked the Quantam Leap finale. No matter how many times I watch it though it still bugs me to no end. It's like nails on a chalkboard. I mean the whole premise of the show was about him trying to get home. I waited for years to see him finally make it. And did he? No. Aaaarrrghh!

Thoth
July 31st, 2004, 10:46 AM
Thanks for the responses, as always.
Mmmm, so much to get through. (I like to give a personal response to all posts in my threads that I fell strongly about. I know it's not necessary but I like doing it).

Thanks very much Anthro Girl, I do my best. (Note that I fell very strongly for praise coming my way :D )



Tripping the Rift will stay on the air as long as there are teenage boys. I mean South Park has been on forever. Although, I have to say, that I actually enjoy South Park. It's rude, gross and politically incorrect but the funny thing is that there is usually a meaningful social commentary buried under all of the fart jokes which makes it even funnier to me.

Couldn't agree more, the most idiotic shows around are made for teenage males. And Im one of them, I know. We're highly charged, sexually deprived guys who need something to enjoy. And so shows like South Park, Jackass and others are created for us. Ill note some of the worse: Jackass, Dirty Sanchez, what else, oh...MTV in general! ;)

BTW, the correct term for us is teenage males as we are neither men nor boys. :p

KorbenDirewolf, Im not gonna be a hypocrit and start arguing about this, although I am tempted, but I LOVE Charmed! So there! ;) :p

As for Enterprise, I think that it's main weakness is the lack of the Federation, the feeling of unity of it in TNG and its ideals prevailing even in stressful situations in Voyager.

Ah...good old Quantum Leap. I can remember it, which is funny as I think it's stated here that it ended 10 years ago and I don't think BBC would have shown re-runs of it back then and I don't think that I'd be able to rememeber it so vividly if I was only 5 at the time. I liked it. I saw it recently and almost had a heart-attack as I saw 1. the terrible graphics :eek: and 2. your man from Enterprise on it.

EDITED to change Hard-attack to Heart-attack. Guess what it sounded like for me, a teenage male!!! :eek: :D

Matt G
August 1st, 2004, 05:42 AM
Whenever I've caught bits of Farscape, it's always hit the wrong notes for me - so I'm surprised their fandom is as big as SGs.

nugglebugget
August 1st, 2004, 08:04 AM
[QUOTE=ShadowMaat]Ohhh, I dunno.... yeah, they're pretty bad story-wise, but if it hadn't been for Boa vs. Python I might never have realized the true buffness of David Hewlett. ;)[QUOTE]

You never can tell what wonderful things you'll learn from such fare that SCI-FI dishes up:D

KorbenDirewolf
August 1st, 2004, 09:25 AM
There's also SeaQuest 2032, after they wrote the cast of SeaQuest DSV into a corner, made it seem most of them were dead and cancelled that show. Only to come back later with several years having passed and most everyone ending up back on Earth with no memory of how they got there or where they'd been.

CyberKnight
August 4th, 2004, 02:30 PM
Couldn't agree more, the most idiotic shows around are made for teenage males. And Im one of them, I know. We're highly charged, sexually deprived guys who need something to enjoy. And so shows like South Park, Jackass and others are created for us.
South Park is a show unto its own. It fits the genre of over hyperbolizing everything until it becomes funny.