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banier
March 11th, 2006, 06:46 AM
i hope that the people of stargate bring the old alliance back the 4 races Ancients,nox,furlings,Asgard and that thy help stargate command:comeon: :hallowed:

talyn2k1
March 11th, 2006, 07:16 AM
I think that would just be too much of a convenient escape for the whole Ori situation.
I doubt the Ori would stand a chance against the 4 races, it would just negate S9 totally and defeat the point of Prometheus' and Korolev`s destruction, the decimation of our fleet in 'Camelot', all the build up, etc.

What would be good is if we form a new 4-race alliance, consisting of Tau`ri, Free Jaffa (including Sodan if there are any left in other villages etc.), Tok`ra, Asgard. We could have the meeting place on Chulak, the first planet where we fight the Ori.
I think that would make a nice end to the series.

Peoples_General
March 11th, 2006, 08:16 AM
I think that would just be too much of a convenient escape for the whole Ori situation.
I doubt the Ori would stand a chance against the 4 races, it would just negate S9 totally and defeat the point of Prometheus' and Korolev`s destruction, the decimation of our fleet in 'Camelot', all the build up, etc.

What would be good is if we form a new 4-race alliance, consisting of Tau`ri, Free Jaffa (including Sodan if there are any left in other villages etc.), Tok`ra, Asgard. We could have the meeting place on Chulak, the first planet where we fight the Ori.
I think that would make a nice end to the series.

Umm... the Ori are supposed to be in that planet already. You know that there's no way those Ori ships will be destroyed in the first half of S10. The purpose is for the Ori to establish a permanent presence in the Milky Way and that means no cop-outs like suddenly finding 4 or so Aurora-Class Ancient ships to go toe-to-toe with the Ori.

I think we may need a different meeting place.... *cough* Earth *cough*

Chaos18
March 11th, 2006, 11:05 AM
i think there should be a meeting.



and i think the asgard should talk about the 4 alliance. and should talk about another ally that could be the Furlings?


So the allaince is as we know now is SGC, Tokra(they don't really help us we always help them), Asgards, Free Jaffa and now the Lucian Alliance. but they can get the Furlings. The Nox could be used for there technology as they don't fight.

jkmira
March 11th, 2006, 12:52 PM
I don't think it will fully happen. The alliance seems to be the ancients pre-asention. their written language and technology. If their is a meeting I think they might not attend the others may but I don't think the ancients will. especially cause they are starting to look like the bad guys (because of their willingness to let so many people die when the ori are after them in the first place) they might stay in hidding

Nefreyu
March 11th, 2006, 01:27 PM
Bring back the alliance! We never got to hear much about the Nox or the Furlings. I don't remember seeing the Nox since like season three (could be wrong). We have ships now lets go visit them. Find the Furlings and start the alliance back up. We know the ancients ascended but they don't want to help us anyways so we can take their place or maybe one will come help us you never know.

The Prophet
March 11th, 2006, 02:01 PM
I love that Idea! I can picture it:

The Ori are destroyed (yay!) and we're all celebrating. Then Daniel complains that we never got to join the alliance, but then teal'c comes along in a santa outfit (it's Christmas eve) and says:
:tealc: The Alliance may be gone but there is still hope,
We've got the Taur'i, jaffa, Asguard & Tok. ('ra)!

Yeah! Brilliant, although I think the Lucian Alliance should reolace the Tok'ra since they've been written out of the series. :eek:

reiella
March 11th, 2006, 06:50 PM
So the allaince is as we know now is SGC, Tokra(they don't really help us we always help them), Asgards, Free Jaffa and now the Lucian Alliance. but they can get the Furlings. The Nox could be used for there technology as they don't fight.

The Tok'ra do help us... They just do it off camera now. The Tok'ra are -vital- to the Free Jaffa movement as well since they're the ones who know how to make Tretonin. Unforunately, they did not inherit the power of the Goa'uld. The Jaffa (and Lucien alliance) did.

It does remind me, why haven't we gone back to Heliopolis now that we have ships?

Gunslinger
March 11th, 2006, 06:59 PM
How about a new alliance, Tauri, Jaffa, Tok'ra and Asguard! And to all Tok'ra and Jaffa: make it work this time!

Chaos18
March 12th, 2006, 01:35 AM
it is already an alliance. SGC, Asgards, Free Jaffa, Tokra(but they are written out) & Lucien Alliance.

now we need the extra one that the Furlings:jack:

Karec
March 12th, 2006, 03:54 AM
Did the old alliance even end?
The Asgards said that we the tau'ri are close to becoming the fifth race meaning there has to be a fifth place to fill and there can't be a fifth place if theres not a first, second,third and fourth.

And besides I dont remember the asgards trying to help us finding the furlings.... Maby they even know where they are? Just keeping them a secret because their not warriors but a peacefull race?
No idea to reveal a peacefull race that can't defend themselfs to us if we're gonna put them in danger.

Chaos18
March 12th, 2006, 03:58 AM
well the asgards live in another galaxy.

so we can imagine if the furling still live they live in another galaxy.

so maybe the asgards and furling still keep in touch?

but maybe the furling have problem like the asgards?

Karec
March 12th, 2006, 04:02 AM
Maby the furlings are actually an "evil" warrior race and they only joined the alliance due to some twisted honor thing when the anceints defeted them?:rolleyes:

http://www.sg1.cz/epizody/s1/thumb/111-06.jpg

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/stargate.univers/saison1/1_12/city.jpg

They do look very much alike. Except the nox town is alot more advanced.
Look at the second tallest tower in the nox city....JUST LOOK!

asgardcmndr
March 17th, 2006, 02:36 PM
I tend to think the original alliance died with the Ancients (although I could be wrong, and I do know the Ancients didn't "die" persay). I really like the idea of the Tauri coming to greater power and being part of a functioning alliance. After the fall of the original alliance, everyone seemed to go their sperate ways, we have no idea what the Furlings are up to but I'd like to see them. I'm sure the Asgard know where to find them (assuming they haven't moved), but being as noble as they are, the Asgard may have been unwilling to discuss the Furlings' activities if it was not the wish of the Furlings. But...desperate times call for desperate measures, the Asgard didn't fare too well in the fight with the Ori, the Furlings may be significanly more advanced (always got the feeling the Asgard were the n00bs in the original alliance). I think we'll will see a rise of a new allience (prolly one without the Nox and Tokra).

the fifth man
March 17th, 2006, 07:35 PM
well the asgards live in another galaxy.

so we can imagine if the furling still live they live in another galaxy.

so maybe the asgards and furling still keep in touch?

but maybe the furling have problem like the asgards?

I wouldn't be suprised if the Asgard have been in contact occasionally with the Furlings.

And as for the Furlings having their own problem like the Asgard had theirs, that very well could have been the case. And why we haven't heard from them yet.

thomashortoncc
March 18th, 2006, 02:04 AM
i really doubt the return of the alliance would solve anything why do people think that the combined forces of the 4 races would defeat the ori. thousands of years ago literally thousands upon thousands before the alliance the ori commited genocide by wiping out the ancient inhabitants of the milky way with ther plague....the artifact/weapon on Dh'kara returned life to the milkyway.. that is why ther seems to be too distinct generations of Ancient, one defeated by ori (ie a million years ago - alterans). the reminants of this race then colonised pegasus and then was defeated by the wraith (10000 years ago - lantians) i dont think thew writers have done this properly anyway as i would have thought the two distinct generations would have had different abilities ie one being more evolved than the other ie alterans more evolved than lantians due to the healing ability and telepathy. also the fact is the ancient tech has obvious differences ie the ancient repository's and the ancient stargate weapon that anubis used look totally different fron modern lantian tech (ie the orion atlantis etc....) as well as the weapon on dh'kara and the ancient control console, these obviously alteran old tech, which is seen reused hundreds of times in stargate sg-1 cos they wont commission any more props! obviously then we are the third generation

Karec
March 18th, 2006, 03:13 AM
Ok Im tierd of this.
ITS BEEN A LONG TIME.

Does human tech look like it did under the second world war? No

How do you think it will look in a 1000 years? Like now? NO.

The first alteran tech we see is the stargates(oldests) AND the castle of the alliance just look at the consol. Its clearly goa'uld like. MEANING That the goa'uld got their technology from old anceint tech.
They both use crystal don't they.

Later on it got more spacy with less and less crystals and more odd stuff.
The big ass stone consol table was most likly the second tech point(Including the Dakara weapon).

Then the Alterans changed names(NOT a New anceint race its the same) to lanteans and built their crown ship atlantis and some others and left in fear of the plauge to the pegasus galaxy we're they did escape the plauge but got attacked by the wraiths(1 million wraiths on one anceint:cameron: ). This is their newest tech level with the nice stuff and the puddle jumpers and digital stargates.

Then they returned to the MW galaxy(Those who did't ascend) And this is the last marker.

This tech is darker. Im guessing that the anceints reposetory is made about now because it fits with that anti goa'uld weapon orlin made because he said that the others(Ascended alterans) stopped them after they miss-used the weapon.
This is also the time of merlin. Just look at that phase swifting keyboard and such its very dark looking just like everything else.

This is most likly how it went.
I have not seen anything to say that there are 3 generations of humans.
There are the Anceints(Meaning Alterans, ori and lanteans)(Lanteans being the same as alterans)
And theres Us. Homo sapien sapien. Home made on lovly little earth and then spread by the goa'uld accros the galaxy and spread by the anceints in the pegasus galaxy. This explains the hologram AND the earlier versions of humans on earth like homo erectus.
And why I say its the goa'uld that spread humans in the MW is because Why whould earth have such big importance in goa'uld society when it doesn't even have naquadaa? I know I know some of you might say "They already mined it all" But IT IS IMPOSEBLE TO MINE EVERYTHING. It doesnt exists in our solar system, its clean. I dont think that primitive goa'ulds chould clean out a planet like that because they use manual labor.

I mean importance as well I mean The Supreme Goa'uld System Lord Lived here along with ALOT of other system lords on ONE planet and the anceints returned HERE and not anywhere else. The Asgard as well existed here. AND They keep saying Repetivly that the Goa'uld brought them here, When SG-1 meets a new human group on a planet.

Earth is the cradle of mankind.
There are only alterans and Ori. Lanteans are just a name.
Technology changes. First anceint tech looked like goa'uld tech and ended up looking alot scarier and stuff. It looked almost bio like with all the weird stuff on it.

MarshAngel
March 18th, 2006, 04:14 PM
thousands of years ago literally thousands upon thousands before the alliance the ori commited genocide by wiping out the ancient inhabitants of the milky way with ther plague....

It's time people stopped stating this as fact. It is not. It has been in no way stated that the Ori killed the Ancients with the plague. What has been said is that the plague the Priors started bears similarities to Aiyanna's disease. That is the full extent to which they've addressed that subject. And until they say the Ori killed the Ancients it will remain false.



also the fact is the ancient tech has obvious differences ie the ancient repository's and the ancient stargate weapon that anubis used look totally different fron modern lantian tech (ie the orion atlantis etc....) as well as the weapon on dh'kara and the ancient control console, these obviously alteran old tech, which is seen reused hundreds of times in stargate sg-1 cos they wont commission any more props! obviously then we are the third generation

Using the way the props look to make a cultural distinction is pointless. I don't think the propmakers thought that deeply. But even if they did, Karec is right; Tech changes appearance over just a few generations. Hang around for a few million years and nothing will look the same.

We are not the third generation. There is no separation via evolution between the Alterans of the Milky Way and the Lanteans of Pegasus. We, as was said in Before I sleep, are the second evolution.

ps. Capital letters ie. punctuation make a post more readable. That was very hard to read.



That being said, I don't know that I want the old Alliance back to help with the Ori situation or any other. The fact is the defeat of the Ori by anything less than the Ascended Ancients is implausible. They are too big for anyone else to manage.

The ancients are ascended and if we never hear from them again I wouldn't be upset. They have had their moment in time (50+million yrs of it) and I hope when the Ori cycle ends they do as well and we can start over with less of the confusion about this way way too old race.

The Furlings I could also do well to never to hear about again. There have been so many questions about them I'd be content just to hear they accidentally blew up their solar system and all died.

If there's to be an alliance I think it should between human representatives, the Asgard, and with any luck the Nox and perhaps the Jaffa.

Zeek K.
March 18th, 2006, 06:05 PM
I agree, I dont think combined force would help at all since they have the power of the ori backing them up. But i have a question... couldnt they make a bigger version of that device they used to temporarily hinder the priors powers, put it on a ship and disable the ori ships shields? That would help a lot wouldn't it? Well, they would just keep sending more, so that wouldnt work in the long run. They should just keep trying to show the ori's "minions" that they aren't Gods...thats the way to win, not by force.

asgardcmndr
March 18th, 2006, 09:54 PM
the device used to disable the priors severed their connection with the Ori (from whom they got their power). Putting one of those on a ship would unlikley have any effect on the shields. The shields are, like the ship, just like any other ship in the galaxy - but more advanced. Severing a connection between the Ori and whoever is in control of the ship would have prolly have zero effect on the functioning of the ship, as the power and control are most likely independent from the Ori.

The Ori are also not gods, powerful yes, but not gods, they have many many many numbers but still can be beaten. Right now their only way to our galaxy is through their supergate, so at the moment, those numbers don't really effect us, we have to worrry about the 4 that are already here and the gate. Also, I don't think we'll be seeing much action from the Ancients, I think it might be lame to watch - almost too easy.