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    The revision of Arthurian myths ("Pegasus Project"spoiler)

    I know Sci Fi TV shows like Stargate needed to put a few twist on the history and myth.
    The Goa'uld were the bad evil god of our history.most people don't have problem if they make Egyptian God evil, some Chinese almost had problem with the Yu's Character.

    King Arthur are good mythical figure ,many children and adult like him, i hope they don't change too much of the story.

    But so far they make Merlin an Ascended Ancient ,who descened back to human .
    King Arthur's mantle was a phase shifting cloaking device

    But in episode S9 "Crusade"
    Mitchell said that King Arthur was also a result of an immaculate birth.
    That is a bit too much,maybe Arthur's birth will be part of S10 story .
    But I haven't heard any story about immaculate birth of Arthur.I remember the story of Uther Pendragon who stole Arthur's mother from her husband .And then gave birth to Uther's son (Arthur)

    Spoiler for " Pegasus Project"
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    Daniel will met Morgan Lafey ,she is an Ancient who were sent back to watch over Merlin.
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    Well , in Arthurian myth, Morgan Lafey wasn't completely evil , And in one story Arthur and Morgan Lafey did reconcile in the end.
    But in the Stargate story
    If Morgan Lafey was and descended Ancient and Arthur was a child of immaculate birth
    And they were not half brother and half sister then i wonder if they will mention Mordred ,was he Evil ,was he the child of Arthur and Lafey

    #2
    There is some myths of early Arthur legends saying that Morgan was infact good and had three sisters one of whom gave birth to Mordred.

    I think the reason they did that is to further explain the Arthurian myth because in the end if Arthur was a regular human then it would have ended in the past but I think they want the storyline myth to be more...grander.

    And now that you mention Mordred I do wonder about him. Was he Arthurs child? Was he evil? so many questions.....


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      #3
      Well keep in mind that it was just one of MANY legends about King Arthur, and not all of them necessarily true. In any case, as I understand it the 'enchantment' on King Arthur's mother was in fact a 'spell' that made Uther Pendragon appear to be Arthur's mother's husband (who was not his father). Later Pendragon defeated Arthur's mother's husband in battle, killed him, and then married Arthur's mother. The price that Merlin demanded of Pendragon in exchange for doing this for him, was that Pendragon's first born son would be given to Merlin. Apparently Merlin demanded this because Pendragon could not live up to Merlin's expectations, so Merlin wanted to train Arthur himself to be a great man.

      In any case, they weren't claiming that Arthur was for a fact 'a miraculous' birth. It was just a suggestion from Cam, who isn't a completely reliable source of history. That's Daniels job.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Seastallion
        Well keep in mind that it was just one of MANY legends about King Arthur, and not all of them necessarily true. In any case, as I understand it the 'enchantment' on King Arthur's mother was in fact a 'spell' that made Uther Pendragon appear to be Arthur's mother's husband (who was not his father). Later Pendragon defeated Arthur's mother's husband in battle, killed him, and then married Arthur's mother. The price that Merlin demanded of Pendragon in exchange for doing this for him, was that Pendragon's first born son would be given to Merlin. Apparently Merlin demanded this because Pendragon could not live up to Merlin's expectations, so Merlin wanted to train Arthur himself to be a great man.

        In any case, they weren't claiming that Arthur was for a fact 'a miraculous' birth. It was just a suggestion from Cam, who isn't a completely reliable source of history. That's Daniels job.
        As far as I can make out (having consulted my all-purpose Idiot's Guide to Arthurian legends) most of the better known versions of the stories are actually quite late, historically speaking. So the Uther Pendragon part of the tale was most likely a 15th century variation which fulfilled a political purpose of tying Arthur firmly to the Kings of Britain at a time when the fledgling European Nation States were starting to squabble. But if the Arthurian legends really have much earlier roots in celtic mythology, then many experts have suggested that he is part of a typical 'miraculous birth' mythology whereby a god descends to impregnate a human woman thus creating a semi-divine hero.

        TPTB may have done their Arthurian research far better than some folks are giving them credit for. The image we've been given, whether it's Vala's hallucination, nightmare or sub-conscious memory, is the Ori descending over her bed. Not so far removed from the legend of Alexander the Great's birth, whereby the Egyptian king Nectanebus is said to have made love to Olympias in the form of a Dragon (which, my Idiot's Guide comments, "interestingly recalls Uther's title of Pendragon.")

        Of course, it's entirely possible that the whole arthurian legend was invented as a piece of fiction by Chretien de Troyes in the 12th century, which was then taken too seriously by his fans! Raising the interesting possibility that historians 900 hundred years from now will be arguing about the authenticity of the mythological figure Dayn-iel Jaquason who first appeared in the ancient 20th century Saga of the Stargate but whose roots probably lie somewhere deep in Victorian mythology.

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          #5
          maybe Arthur was a Oracle of the Ancients
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            #6
            I haven't read many of the Arthurian legends, but because there are so many, perhaps tptb though that this was a good myth to use. This way fans are confused about which myth is the real myth, and that it is possible for them to wedge their own myth into the array of those that are present.

            I would also like to say that I really liked the King Arthur movie that was out two years ago? With Kira Knightly. I thought that was done rather well.

            As for emaculant conception, I saw something recently on either the history or discovery channel about it being a possible thing. Though they said that it is more common among lower class animals such as frogs. They also said that for this to happen the child would likely be female due to the chromosomes of the mother. However if the mother had an extra y chromosome, then she could give birth to a boy but that is extremely rare if not almost impossible.

            Though with the whole King Arthur thing, I hope they will explain why Merlin chose to come back to earth during his life time. Plus, why not earlier or later. What made that period of time so special?

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              #7
              The period time was that we believe in magic, so by just showing of a few tricks he could get a pretty good following and this was to carry the myth forward in time to the day that we needed it. I our greatiest time of need.

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                #8
                Well considering that Merlin was a lone Ancient on a mission to safeguard the galaxy it is possible that he needed a kindred spirit, an ally to help him so he helped shape King Arthur into the world. Who knows...its possible that Arthur helped shape mankind in some way or form which was perhaps another reason why Merlin did what he did.


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                  #9
                  Hmmm ... well, if I remember episode 1 of season 9 correctly, Daniel was saying something about King Arthur being the son of "Con...", but failed to finish his sentence. Also that Arthur was probably Aurelius Ambrosius ... so I assume they are working of the 5th century basis of Arthur being a Roman rather than a Celt.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BnF95
                    Hmmm ... well, if I remember episode 1 of season 9 correctly, Daniel was saying something about King Arthur being the son of "Con...", but failed to finish his sentence. Also that Arthur was probably Aurelius Ambrosius ... so I assume they are working of the 5th century basis of Arthur being a Roman rather than a Celt.

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                      #11
                      Computer messed again... sorry about the double post.
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                        #12
                        Ok, maybe this will help clarify. In most ACCEPTED (popular) versions of the Arthur myth Uther Pendragon(arthur's dad) is laying seige to the castle where Igraine(arthur's mom) is. Merlin lays a spell that makes Uther look like Igraine's husband, they do it and there's Arthur. According to Malory's Morte d'Arthur, Morgana or Morgan LeFay was the daughter of Igraine, but NOT Uther. They are therefore half brother and sister.

                        In Malory Morgana enchants Arthur into thinking that she is Guienivere, they do it and there is Mordred. It is important to note that almost all the versions that I have read (Malory, Tennyson, Monmouth), Arthur is mortally wounded by Mordred and that he doesn't actually die. He is taken to Avalon on a barge. (total Christ image and LOTR)

                        In some very obscure texts there are refrences to Athur being coneceived immaculately, it depends on which version you read. That's the great thing about this myth, you can make it work almost anyway you want. The version that we know is Malory's Mort d'Arthur, (Excalibur, King Arthur) but there other versions that talk of Arthur being a Celt or fighting the Romans.

                        I personally think that so far TPTB have done a good job of making Arthur work for them without going completely of the deep end.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Galilahi
                          I personally think that so far TPTB have done a good job of making Arthur work for them without going completely of the deep end.
                          I totally agree with that. I like what I've seen so far, accurate to Arthurian legend or not. Afterall, it is a tv show. They are allowed to change things to fit their purposes.
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