The Future of the Weir threads

[Skydiver]

I do want to preface this by saying that all discussion needs to take place in this thread. I don't have the time to track down peoples' opinions in three different, fast moving threads. so please, discuss this here because the responses here - or that are sent to me in a pm - are the only ones that will play a part in the final decision

Since her introduction onto the show, Elizabeth Weir has become a very popular character, and the actress' popularity has grown as well. She has fans from every corner of the globe and from every age group and walk of life.

Unfortunately, such a diverse group of fans means that, with that large group of people, we also have a diverse group of individuals with different tolerances, opinions and attitudes. This has led to some very tense moments in the Weir fandom.

We – as in the Gateworld staff – had really hoped that folks would continue to get along. The situation of Weir/Torri having three threads was a unique one, not normally something we would allow, but the only solution we could come up with that seemed to work.

However it has become apparent that this is no longer the case. Because of this, the structure of the Weir threads will change. We have these possibilities:

1) Merge the wow and appreciation thread into one. Yes, I know that originally Torri and Weir were separated, but that is no longer the case. Also, with pictures, the line between actor and character are so blurred as to be invisible.
Leave the discussion thread for those that aren't in the mood for the fluffier nature of the wow/appreciation thread and wish to discuss the character

2) Close the Wow and Appreciation threads. Begin a new one fashioned after the Sam is a great character (weir is a great character) but make it clear that Torri talk is welcome as long as it fits within Gateworld's rules. This thread will welcome discussion as well as fluff.
Leave the discussion thread due to the fact that the fast moving nature of a Great Character thread – one that will allow screen caps and pictures, makes serious discussion difficult.

3) Merge the Wow and Appreciation threads, renaming them WIAGC, thus preserving all the posts while making the new direction clear.
Leave the discussion thread

4) Merge all of them into a Weir is a great character thread


Now, we are fully aware that none of these solutions will please everyone. Someone is bound to be unhappy, however, as I said above, the situation has become such that we have to step in and do something as the present state is unsustainable.

Even after we do this, individual posters will need to make adjustments in their personal actions and perspectives. While we TOTALLY understand the desire to protect your favored actress, people MUST accept that not everyone will love and adore that actor. And people must have tolerance to those not possessing the same level of adoration as they do.

There is no minimum level of adoration to be a fan, and people must accept that.

They must also accept that Torri – and other actors – work in an industry where criticism is a part of the job. An individual will actually learn more from a good dose of constructive criticism than they will from a boatload of squeeing.

Individuals need to be tolerant of others. Accept different points of view and try to learn something from them, instead of bemoaning wondering why they don't see things your way. Variety is the spice of life and it's pretty dang boring if we all like things the same way.

Again, while I do understand the desire to protect Torri, she's a big girl and she knows what she's getting into if she comes onto this forum. Also, if she has an issue with something, all she needs to do is ping Darren and you can rest assured that he will take care of things.

I invite people to express their opinions, however I do think that you should be aware that these four options are the only ones that are open at this time. If someone has another suggestion, please make it, however 'leaving things as they are' is not an option. Recent behavior has proven that these threads cannot continue to exist in their present state.

I encourage people to express themselves in this thread, however I do warn you…expanding your posts beyond the topic is not a point in your favor. Do not discuss the opinions of others in this thread, discuss the options only. If someone does not feel that they can freely express themselves in this thread, then please feel free to PM me. I will take your PM to the other mods or I may post it anonymously in this thread (your words just not your name).

The Weir threads are your places to play, but you play here at the courtesy of Darren. So we will encourage your input, but ultimately the decision will be ours.

[CalmStorm]

1) Merge the wow and appreciation thread into one. Yes, I know that originally Torri and Weir were separated, but that is no longer the case. Also, with pictures, the line between actor and character are so blurred as to be invisible.
Leave the discussion thread for those that aren't in the mood for the fluffier nature of the wow/appreciation thread and wish to discuss the character

obie kaybie

I haven't been to the character threads in a few weeks (I think), but my vote would go to this one.

[St@rbuck]

I like the first idea too :)

XXX

[xfkirsten]

Add my vote to the first option. I've noticed the line between the Wow and Appreciation threads tend to blend anyways, but the Discussion thread is pretty different. :)

[astronomicalchick]

I'm totally confused by this, why is this being suggested?

[Skydiver]

Because we have three Weir threads, two of which are virtually identical.

There have also been some personal issues brought to our attention, individuals seeking to impose their preferences over the general poster.

This has created an atmosphere that many find unwelcoming. We're seeking to find a way to streamline things, and to also simpify them for the newer members.

And, being aware that the Weir fans are a vocal and passionate group, we're trying to investigate what changes will be the most welcomed instead of just making a decision on our own. (which, in all honesty, would be the easiest for the mods.)

[GeekyDollie]

Thank you Skydiver for allowing us a say in the decisions. You have made some very good points.

Out of the options, I also prefer the one to merge the wow and appreciation threads. It would be nice to keep the existing posts, so I wouldn't want the threads we have right now to disappear.

[DJFavorite]

I haven't ventured into the Weir threads, so take my suggestion with a grain of salt. I think the 1st option is good. It sounds a lot like many other character threads. For almost every male character/actor there is a thunk thread for fluffy stuff and an appreciation thread for mor indepth character discussions. I think the female characters/actors should have a similar setup.

[Lord Zedd]

I wonder what the people that post all the time in the Weir threads think about it. The die-hard fans like Erised, Lexa Jayda, Dark Faith,Presley Carter,Suzotchka,... and others think about this. Won't it have a bigger impact on them than on the people that lurk and post and than go away?

[ShadowMaat]

I wasn't under the impression that everything had to be decided RIGHT NOW. I'm sure the regulars will have ample opportunity to weigh in with their opinions when they have a chance.

Incidentally, while I get your point, Anubis, and I agree that a thread's regulars should have a say in what happens, I don't think that everyone else should be punted to the side just because they don't post "enough". Unless I'm mistaken, EVERYONE gets a chance to speak up. That's the whole point of this thread.

edit: and personally, even though I can barely even be considered a lurker on the Weir threads, I think Option 1 seems to be the most economical. Everything gets saved, that way.

[Easter Lily]

However it has become apparent that this is no longer the case. Because of this, the structure of the Weir threads will change. We have these possibilities:

1) Merge the wow and appreciation thread into one. Yes, I know that originally Torri and Weir were separated, but that is no longer the case. Also, with pictures, the line between actor and character are so blurred as to be invisible.
Leave the discussion thread for those that aren't in the mood for the fluffier nature of the wow/appreciation thread and wish to discuss the character

2) Close the Wow and Appreciation threads. Begin a new one fashioned after the Sam is a great character (weir is a great character) but make it clear that Torri talk is welcome as long as it fits within Gateworld's rules. This thread will welcome discussion as well as fluff.
Leave the discussion thread due to the fact that the fast moving nature of a Great Character thread – one that will allow screen caps and pictures, makes serious discussion difficult.

3) Merge the Wow and Appreciation threads, renaming them WIAGC, thus preserving all the posts while making the new direction clear.
Leave the discussion thread

4) Merge all of them into a Weir is a great character thread

I'm rather inclined towards the first option... it's more in line with most other character threads.
And yes... keep the Discussion thread a strictly discussion thread...

[CalmStorm]

I wonder what the people that post all the time in the Weir threads think about it. The die-hard fans like Erised, Lexa Jayda, Dark Faith,Presley Carter,Suzotchka,... and others think about this. Won't it have a bigger impact on them than on the people that lurk and post and than go away?

It will have an impact on both the lurkers and the consistent posters. Just because a poster does not post significantly to a thread does not mean that that poster (ie the "lurker") is less affected or is any less a "die hard" fan.

Weir is one of my favorite characters and I think Torri is a wonderful actress, and from reading con reports and other posters interactions with her (as well as 'lil miss gumbo's postings on a particular thead), she seems like a very good person.

Lately though, I cannot figure out which thread to post on. I don't want to repeat myself in three separate threads so I end up just saying "to h*** with it" and move on without posting at all. Doesn't make me less of a fan, just makes me slightly lazy ;)

[ShadowMaat]

Yeah, "lurker" isn't a cussword. :P

I understand that this is supposed to be a thread to discuss the future of the Weir threads, but is there any reason NOT to make it into a poll? Wouldn't it be easier to have an actual visual representation of what fans think rather than having to scroll through bunches of replies? Plus, any lurkers or other individuals of ill repute (:P) could vote without getting dragged into an actual discussion about it and without having to worry about whether their vote agrees/disagrees with the votes of their friends. Or mortal enemies. ;)

[alyssa]

I'm rather inclined towards the first option... it's more in line with most other character threads.
And yes... keep the Discussion thread a strictly discussion thread...

I'd agree, provided the Discussion thread is kept for discussion... it'd also be nice for the "OMG! we're on page 2" stuff to stop.

[AdrianneP]

My vote for option 1. Merge the WOW and Appreciation thread.

Adrianne

[Finnstardust]

I also vote for the first option. I was glad when the discussion thread was started - it seemed like a place for more serious talk which was exactly what I wanted to read after the appreciation and wow threads did indeed become rather fluffy...It would be great if the discussion thread stayed as a place to talk about Elizabeth as a character. I haven't really noticed any difference between the wow and appreciation threads to be honest so combining them would make the most sense in my opinion.

[Erised]

I wonder what the people that post all the time in the Weir threads think about it. The die-hard fans like Erised, Lexa Jayda, Dark Faith,Presley Carter,Suzotchka,... and others think about this. Won't it have a bigger impact on them than on the people that lurk and post and than go away?
Thanks..
Please can we wait for the rest of the people that post there the most? I really don't have an opinion yet, just a shock. I'd like to know what they think about this.

[Tracy Jane]

Seeing as Appreciation wasn't always "fluff" and there used to be character discussion there too (the only reason for discussion was neutral territory, as opposed to a special discussion thread for Weir Fans), I really think the last option, a totally merged thread is best.

The new discussion thread seems to have caused a lot of unecessary tension between the group, and if we are merging Wow and Appreciation, it only seems fair to merge Discussion too, which really has the same function as Pre-Torri Appreciation.

However, as we always do, we're going to wait for the Aussies to get online and we'll all chat together and work out the best solution, at least from our point of view.

Skydiver.... "vocal bunch"? Now there's a diplomatic way to say trouble maker if ever I saw one :P


Edit: Exactly as Erised says, we need to put our heads together

[sunny]

Yeah, thanks for this cos the sudden 'splosion of all the Torri/Weir threads gives me a headache and I don't know in which one to post *is confused* :tealcanime49: :beckettanime14:

[alyssa]

Seeing as Appreciation wasn't always "fluff" and there used to be character discussion there too (the only reason for discussion was neutral territory, as opposed to a special discussion thread for Weir Fans), I really think the last option, a totally merged thread is best.

The new discussion thread seems to have caused a lot of unecessary tension between the group, and if we are merging Wow and Appreciation, it only seems fair to merge Discussion too, which really has the same function as Pre-Torri Appreciation.

However, as we always do, we're going to wait for the Aussies to get online and we'll all chat together and work out the best solution, at least from our point of view.

Skydiver.... "vocal bunch"? Now there's a diplomatic way to say trouble maker if ever I saw one :P


Edit: Exactly as Erised says, we need to put our heads together

I think you'll find that at some point, what used to be an appreciation and discussion thread turned into a squeefest. I'm not sure when, or who was involved. It's a bit of a blur.

I agree that the regular posters need to be considered, but it should also be considered that some of the newer people who'd like to be involved aren't involved because they feel there's a clique. As someone who does post there regularly (when my life's not being dictated by work) I can see that. I hope that the rest of the regular posters can see that, and understand that we need to recognise the needs of people who are more inclined to lurk because they don't feel comfortable posting... because they don't know people or for whatever reason.

[xfkirsten]

I agree that the regular posters need to be considered, but it should also be considered that some of the newer people who'd like to be involved aren't involved because they feel there's a clique. As someone who does post there regularly (when my life's not being dictated by work) I can see that. I hope that the rest of the regular posters can see that, and understand that we need to recognise the needs of people who are more inclined to lurk because they don't feel comfortable posting... because they don't know people or for whatever reason.

Totally agree here. I know a number of regular lurkers who have an interest in what happens to the threads, but they have been put off from posting for the reasons you mention.

[Erised]

Also may I add that there has been a lot of talk about how Discussion thread wasn't the best idea. We have discussed Weir's character to bits for every season and if some people actually read them, they'd find out that it wasn't all appreciation. It was some tough critisizm too, especially because of what is happening to her character in season 2. We are all aiming at making this character the best character ever.

That's why appreciation doesn't get a lot of disscussion. We would just be repeating ourselves. In fact, I have a feeling discussion also will slow down a lot once the season ends in U.S. and U.K.

I have just texted on the cell phone to some of the Australians.
Presley Carter thinks we should have one Weir and One Torri thread. There isn't an options like that but can we make one? We really love discussing Torri and her other roles.

[dark_faith]

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Uh, why don't we keep the threads we always had?

The app and the wow used to work VERY WELL, I never saw the interest in adding a new one.

I don't consider myself as a die hard fan... sorry guys.

The app and the wow thread represent(ed?) who we are, what Torri liked, if you erase it, I'll say good bye to gateworld. That would suck but I don't really care, we're a group of friends talking to each other on MSN almost everyday.

A Torri thread and Weir thread are the best thing, it's what we always had! I don't even understand why we have to talk about this.

[xfkirsten]

The new discussion thread seems to have caused a lot of unecessary tension between the group, and if we are merging Wow and Appreciation, it only seems fair to merge Discussion too, which really has the same function as Pre-Torri Appreciation.

I have to disagree with you on merging the Discussion thread. There are fans who have been bashed for being politely critical of aspects of Dr. Weir's character (but still like her) that aren't comfortable talking in the Appreciation thread and Wow thread anymore because of their treatment. It is my understanding that the Appreciation and WOW threads are for strictly pro-Weir discussion - which seems to have been taken to the extreme in recent weeks. The Discussion thread provides a place where people can discuss things they don't like about Weir without being yelled at.

[walterIsTheMan]

I don't really post in those threads, but if my two cents count IMO they should be left the way they are. Each thread has a specific purpose. The Appreciation is just positive discussion about the personality of the character and quality of Torri's acting. The Discussion thread is for positive and negative critique of character/actress. The WOW thread is for appreciation of the character/actress' beauty. Merging them would just be a mess. They all have their unique roles and should be kept separate.

But I'll leave it up to you girls:).

[Tracy Jane]

I have to disagree with you on merging the Discussion thread. There are fans who have been bashed for being politely critical of aspects of Dr. Weir's character (but still like her) that aren't comfortable talking in the Appreciation thread and Wow thread anymore because of their treatment. It is my understanding that the Appreciation and WOW threads are for strictly pro-Weir discussion - which seems to have been taken to the extreme in recent weeks. The Discussion thread provides a place where people can discuss things they don't like about Weir without being yelled at.
Unfortunately, I have recently heard of the same things happening to people on the discussion thread, Kirsten.

[St@rbuck]

I have to disagree with you on merging the Discussion thread.

I agree with that. i think that there should be a Torri/Weir app/wow and then the discussion seperate. i haven't posted in the discussion much but i do think that some people feel more comfortable and more able to discuss is the separte thread.

plus is all the threads are murged it would get really confusing, coz there will be people Wowing and people discussing and it will prob end up causing an atmosphere and stop people from wanting to post.

XXX

[Finnstardust]

I have to disagree with you on merging the Discussion thread. There are fans who have been bashed for being politely critical of aspects of Dr. Weir's character (but still like her) that aren't comfortable talking in the Appreciation thread and Wow thread anymore because of their treatment. It is my understanding that the Appreciation and WOW threads are for strictly pro-Weir discussion - which seems to have been taken to the extreme in recent weeks. The Discussion thread provides a place where people can discuss things they don't like about Weir without being yelled at.

I totally agree with you. The discussion thread allows negative opinions also and it's a place to talk about how the character could be developed further and to discuss all her decisions - good AND bad. The appreciation and wow thread are only for positive opinions and pictures and squeeing. Like it or not, the character is not perfect. No one is. Discussion thread is for pointing out her flaws, like Kirsten said, without getting nasty comments in return.

[Presley_Carter]

Thank you for passing that on for me Erised.

My whole idea - A Torri Higgginson Thread - a thread dedicated to the discussion of Torri, her roles, her conventions appearances and news.

An Elizabeth Weir thread- dedicated to the discussion of the CHARACTER - and Atlantis. Critique- not bashing but neutral constructive critcism if you wish.

We could all agree on a say a limit of two pictures per post for the sake of page length and dial up users.

[Purpleyin]

I'd be inclined towards a setup with thunk/wow for pictures and Torri talk and then a specific Weir characer threads. Which I guess is option 1 there.

I mean, the appreciation thread used to be all of it at the start - though more discussion than pics I seem to remember - then there was WoW separate and discussion carried on but now it's less clear what's what so I'd favour having it rather like the dichotomy of a (thunk) wow/appreciation thread for weir/torri and then the separate character one as there is for example with the McKay/DH threads. Makes it simpler to only have two and to have one be purely for discussion of the character (positive and criticism) for people who are only interested in that and not more.

And the thread bumping is sort of annoying (on any thread); people post when they post, so sometimes it gets slow and it's not so great to have people insinuating that you're not being fannish enough because a thread is :eek: not on the first page - need to chill on that point, gotta get some sleep sometime... or maybe I'm just not as hardcore as I used to be. ;)

[Presley_Carter]

I agree purpleyin - page 2 ain't so bad.

[dark_faith]

Thank you for passing that on for me Erised.

My whole idea - A Torri Higgginson Thread - a thread dedicated to the discussion of Torri, her roles, her conventions appearances and news.

An Elizabeth Weir thread- dedicated to the discussion of the CHARACTER - and Atlantis. Critique- not bashing but neutral constructive critcism if you wish.

We could all agree on a say a limit of two pictures per post for the sake of page length and dial up users.


*raises hand* I vote for this one, even though I'm not posting that much anymore.

[xfkirsten]

We could all agree on a say a limit of two pictures per post for the sake of page length and dial up users.

Whatever the outcome of this discussion (especially if the Wow and Appreciation threads are merged) I think that would be a good rule to use anyways. :)

[Erised]

Thank you for passing that on for me Erised.

My whole idea - A Torri Higgginson Thread - a thread dedicated to the discussion of Torri, her roles, her conventions appearances and news.

An Elizabeth Weir thread- dedicated to the discussion of the CHARACTER - and Atlantis. Critique- not bashing but neutral constructive critcism if you wish.

We could all agree on a say a limit of two pictures per post for the sake of page length and dial up users.

I agree with all of this
and yes. Page two isn't so bad. We used to have it on page 2 a lot so now that it's back to being on page two, it is a good sign to me actually.

[Presley_Carter]

I would also appeal to mods on another note- should you go with creating other threads- could we just LOCK the other threads- not get rid of them. We have a lot of art work in there and pictures that we spent a lot of time on as well as Torri's posts which we do not want to lose.

[Suzotchka]

I have to disagree with you on merging the Discussion thread. There are fans who have been bashed for being politely critical of aspects of Dr. Weir's character (but still like her) that aren't comfortable talking in the Appreciation thread and Wow thread anymore because of their treatment. It is my understanding that the Appreciation and WOW threads are for strictly pro-Weir discussion - which seems to have been taken to the extreme in recent weeks. The Discussion thread provides a place where people can discuss things they don't like about Weir without being yelled at.

Well said xfkirsten.

I vote for option 1: merge the WOW & Appreciation threads.

[sunny]

So here it is from a 'newbie/lurker' perspective. When I first started here, 'lurking' that is, every character/actor had two threads: one was 'thunk'/appreciation the other was appreciation/discussion. That still makes me confused, hence the reason I don't go into those threads even to lurk. So the ways I sees it there should be one thread for the CHARACTER and one for THE ACTOR. Separation of the two entities represented by the same person. Cos I don't really see any other character with three threads. Unless you count the 'shipper' ones.

[dark_faith]

I have to disagree with you on merging the Discussion thread. There are fans who have been bashed for being politely critical of aspects of Dr. Weir's character (but still like her) that aren't comfortable talking in the Appreciation thread and Wow thread anymore because of their treatment. It is my understanding that the Appreciation and WOW threads are for strictly pro-Weir discussion - which seems to have been taken to the extreme in recent weeks. The Discussion thread provides a place where people can discuss things they don't like about Weir without being yelled at.

I've never been "pro Weir", I've always criticized her character, especially at the end of season 2 ... and nobody ever bashed me or yelled at me. But there are different way to criticize....

[xfkirsten]

I've never been "pro Weir", I've always criticized her character, especially at the end of season 2 ... and nobody ever bashed me or yelled at me. But there are different way to criticize....

But you're also one of the most common posters in the Weir threads. I've gotten the impression that the bulk of the nasty notes have gone to the people who don't post as often. Between the fact that they don't post as much and being treated like that... well, I'm nut surprised they're scared off.

[alyssa]

I've never been "pro Weir", I've always criticized her character, especially at the end of season 2 ... and nobody ever bashed me or yelled at me. But there are different way to criticize....

Yes, there are different ways of criticising.
It's bashing if you're saying Torri's a bad actress or saying nasty things about her appearance.

If you're saying "I don't like the way Elizabeth dealt with (insert incident!)", that's not bashing, however some people have been sent nasty PMs for making comments like those. I know this because they've then PMed me, often not wanting to say who sent the PMs, and saying they won't be posting anymore.

I've talked them all out of leaving, but seriously, that's a big part of the problem. The nastiness doesn't go on in the threads. It happens in PMs. The existing threads would be workable, if people didn't feel like they were dealing with cliques. And I say this having been a regular poster in the Wow and Appreciation threads. I had issues myself when we had huge numbers of people arriving when Torri came on, because they crashed GW, but the people who are here now are regular posters, and should be treated as such.

There's all this "Oh, Torri's so inspiring" stuff that goes on. Well, be inspired by her saying that judgement is bad, and acceptance of people is good, or whatever it was she said.

[Luz]

I'm a fan of the character, but i'm also a lurker, there is just not enough hours in the day to dedicate myself to the Weir threads (as i would love to do, if there weren't such a thing as RL).
I must confess that at times i've felt like the outsider since i don't post much, and that causes a kind off chain reaction because the feeling keeps me from posting even when i feel like it. The atmosphere feels a bit charged sometimes, there is this kind of territoriality, IMO.
I think the best would be to merge the appreciation and WOW threads, since these threads seem to be used with the same purpose. And leave the discussion one for discussion of the character only.

[SapphireJewelledQueen]

I was completely against the idea of merging the WOW and Appreciation thread before becuase back then they were still different: pics were posted in WOW and there was pretty much NO discussion and NO 'chatting' and the Appreciation thread was used to discuss/critique Torri and Weir, but with the creation of the Discussion thread there doesn't seem to be any point in trying to go back to the way it was.

So i vote for merging the WOW and Appreciation and leaving the Discussion seperate.


But you're also one of the most common posters in the Weir threads. I've gotten the impression that the bulk of the nasty notes have gone to the people who don't post as often. Between the fact that they don't post as much and being treated like that... well, I'm nut surprised they're scared off.

It wasn't that we were against new people posting, it was just what they were posting. Many of them are still around and they were welcomed with open arms. Some times people can get a bit carried away, but the posts are deleted and the argument/discussion goes on via PM's.

[Erised]

There is territoriality in every character or pairing thread. I've tried to be in about three other threads myself, was attacked or didn't feel like home.. ever. I found my place in Weir threads. And it was easy really. So please, can was not say that it's only US tha are being territorical?

[KerMcG90]

Alright, after much poking from kirsten. Lurker me is coming out to voice my opinion


Totally agree here. I know a number of regular lurkers who have an interest in what happens to the threads, but they have been put off from posting for the reasons you mention.

Me being one of them. I lurk here for 2 reasons. Only person on here I really feel comfortable being around and talking with is Kirsten and also, I see how some people on here are treated when I look into not only the weir threads but also other character threads. I personally don't mind posting in any thread but nearly getting your head bit off for saying something doesn't exactly rub me the right way :/


I have to disagree with you on merging the Discussion thread. There are fans who have been bashed for being politely critical of aspects of Dr. Weir's character (but still like her) that aren't comfortable talking in the Appreciation thread and Wow thread anymore because of their treatment. It is my understanding that the Appreciation and WOW threads are for strictly pro-Weir discussion - which seems to have been taken to the extreme in recent weeks. The Discussion thread provides a place where people can discuss things they don't like about Weir without being yelled at.

I agree, I may not hang around too much but she's right. While you can have some small discussions of Weir in the wow/appreciation threads, there needs to be a place where you can really voice your opinion on her character, characters actions and so on. I'm a pretty die hard weir fan myself, but I also don't always agree with some of her decisions, and I personally would like to know there was a thread where I could really discuss stuff like that without all the die hards jumping all over you with the "omgz how dare you say somthing like that about her!1!1!", for saying somthing negative about Weir. That may be an exageration as to whats going on but I'm sure you get the idea ;)

As of now, my vote is going to merging the appreciation and wow threads while keeping the discussion thread open to the not so fluffy stuff on weir

~kerry

[Skydiver]

I wonder what the people that post all the time in the Weir threads think about it. The die-hard fans like Erised, Lexa Jayda, Dark Faith,Presley Carter,Suzotchka,... and others think about this. Won't it have a bigger impact on them than on the people that lurk and post and than go away?
i have issued invitations in all 3 of the threads, so there's no reason for anyone to not know what's going on.

and no, this isn't a 'respond in 14 minutes or i'm doing what i want' thing. it will take a few days, but something will be done in the relatively near future (please note that i haven't issued a deadline. i want folks to discuss this)

[dark_faith]

Ok, jess talking here.


But you're also one of the most common posters in the Weir threads. I've gotten the impression that the bulk of the nasty notes have gone to the people who don't post as often. Between the fact that they don't post as much and being treated like that... well, I'm nut surprised they're scared off.

Honey, I'm not saying that against you but seriously I've never seen any of the 'ancient posters' ever ever ever bashing anyone. I'm getting sooo tired of those attacks. You want names? Okay then I say that Pres, Lexa, Sapph, Erised, Skyler, Jen and me, for sure, NEVER insulted anyone, always welcomed every newbie with bright big colorful letters. Honnestly I feel like we are the one who've been attacked with some 'you reject people' and 'you feel like the threads belong to you'. I never had anyone giving us any proof of that. I'm not even talking about our banners which are obviously a way to reject any other people coming to the thread, because, of course, we feel like Torri is ours and came only for us and we don't want people to talk to her.
/sarcasm

Seriously? How old are we? We are the ones who had to be sorry? WTF?

The threads were working perfectly. They could still work if people could only respect the simple rules. The WOW is for the Weir pics and for our talent and imagination. The App is to talk/discuss/critisize Torri and all her roles. Is that so complicated??? Because honnestly, if that doesn't work, I say this forum is lost. The threads are not the problem, WE ARE!!!

Anyway, I'd like also to say that I don't consider myself as a die hard poster, just look at my number of post... I just don't flood. When I post, I usually have something to say. So yes, the flood those last few weeks bothered me and I haven't been posting in weeks because of this. If you destroy the app, I will stop posting anyway, I had the chance to meet wonderful people and I don't need the forum to talk to them.

I don't feel good anymore here, I'm tired of people whinning because they feel ignored or unwelcomed. I'm tired of beeing judged and attacked.

I don't come here to be tired. So whenever you feel like we can have fun again, send me a pm. In the meantime, have a good fight.

Oh and don't erase the App until I can save the stuff we did, please. Thanks

[xfkirsten]

Honey, I'm not saying that against you but seriously I've never seen any of the 'ancient posters' ever ever ever bashing anyone. I'm getting sooo tired of those attacks. You want names? Okay then I say that Pres, Lexa, Sapph, Erised, Skyler, Jen and me, for sure, NEVER insulted anyone, always welcomed every newbie with bright big colorful letters. Honnestly I feel like we are the one who've been attacked with some 'you reject people' and 'you feel like the threads belong to you'. I never had anyone giving us any proof of that. I'm not even talking about our banners which are obviously a way to reject any other people coming to the thread, because, of course, we feel like Torri is ours and came only for us and we don't want people to talk to her.
/sarcasm

First of all, that post was not meant as a direct attack on you by any means, and I apologize if you interpreted it that way. Secondly, you would not have seen these sort of attacks going on anyways. As Alyssa points out, they are happening via PMs - behind the scenes. While normally I'd be glad to see that such arguments are being taken out of public view, I think that in this case it's still a blow to the Weir threads simply because people do not feel welcome to post there anymore.

[Skydiver]

a few things. no matter what happens, no threads will be deleted orlost. if we close the existing ones and start over, they will simply be closed but will still be there

The allegations of pushiness is one reason this is being discussed. Now we have no proof, so i can't even begin to think who is 'right' and who is 'wrong'. If someone is receiving a 'how dare you not adore torri' PM, what they need to do is to forward that PM to a mod and let us deal with it.

NO ONE can dictate what a poster may or may not say. as long as their post is within the rules and on topic, it is welcome. If a person has an issue with a post, they don't need to mod that person, they need to report it to the mods and let us deal with it.

that's what we're here for.

now about the two threads (wow and appreciation)...they used to be separate, but now are more copies of each other. The one thing that makes the line so hard to distinguish is that you're using pictures, and since torri IS weir, where do we draw the line on pictures? Say that the torri thread is for non-atlantis shots only? or say that the weir thread is for weir pictures only? (or i should say non-jessica steen weir...technically, if it is the weir thread, then if someone wanted to discuss jessica, that'd be welcome too since it would fit in the topic)

[TameFarrar]

just a reminder for those that are coming in the middle :)


I invite people to express their opinions, however I do think that you should be aware that these four options are the only ones that are open at this time. If someone has another suggestion, please make it, however 'leaving things as they are' is not an option. Recent behavior has proven that these threads cannot continue to exist in their present state.

I encourage people to express themselves in this thread, however I do warn you…expanding your posts beyond the topic is not a point in your favor. Do not discuss the opinions of others in this thread, discuss the options only. If someone does not feel that they can freely express themselves in this thread, then please feel free to PM me. I will take your PM to the other mods or I may post it anonymously in this thread (your words just not your name).

The four choices are located in the Skydiver's first post. :)

[SallyLizzie]

I agree with others, that somewhere along the lines, the two original threads became one big squeefest, and as good as it is to squee, it can become rather nauseating if that's all the input there is.

The appreciation thread is for that - appreciating Torri and Weir. I think one of the biggest problems here is the naming of the threads.

When the appreciation thread started, Torri and Weir were hugely bashed all over the net, so anybody who made a disperaging comment towards Torri/Weir faced immediate defences, and asked not to post if that was their opinion as the thread was for appreciation.

Now, Torri's/Weir's fanbase is so huge, and I think over the past few months, especially with this new debate over the threads, that people have learnt from it and are remembering how it was and that's how they want it back. What I'm trying to say is that I think (I hope) we are all capable of having a discussion about Weir without people getting yelled at in the appreciation thread.

Personally, I'd like to see it go back to how it was and how all the other character/actor threads are - one for thunking/wowing, one for appreciation/discussion.

If you're definatley not open to that then i'd have to go for merging the Appreciation and WOW thread, as I think merging the three threads would only cause further problems.

[Skydiver]

the main reason i would like to simply hear folks thoughts on the 4 options is because i don't want this thread to get bogged down with 'my way is better' or for any one member to claim that his/her idea 'won'.

i want to make the new way as impartial as possible to make the new threads as open as possible

weir has a huge fanbase, which is simply a testament to torri's skill as an actress and the character that she brings to life. but with a large fandom and a thread that has several dozen regulars, well that's a lot of personalities that need to mesh. So everyone in those threads needs to be tolerant of the other posters.

[SallyLizzie]

Cool beans Skydiver, I totally understand that :)


So everyone in those threads needs to be tolerant of the other posters
That's what I was trying to say. I'm very aware of the ugliness that went on a few weeks, months ? ago but I felt that things were a lot better. Obviously if issues are still being sent via PM then I wouldn't be aware of that as I have neither sent, nor recieved any of late.

[Presley_Carter]

...me again... It seems as if everyone is sort of coming to the same conclusion that there be an 'appreciation' and a 'discussion' thread. But Torri has been in 40 odd other things and I like talking about them as well. Both appreciating them and...not so appreciating them (but in a mature nice respectful way of course). If WOW and appreciation are merged, they will become picture archives and discussion like this will not happen. Which leads me back to my earlier idea (and we all promsie to play nice together and go on a trial basis for a month or so) or a second something i thought of-

In the "Characters and Relationships"
Weir Discussion : Character Talk, Critique, Criticism
Weir WOW/Thunk/Appreciation -what ever you want to call the character perv fest page. :P For pics and art and the occasional squee. And they would be both for Torri and Jessica.


And then in the Off Topic Area we could open a thread that is Torri Higginson Discussion/Appreciation - Because whilst she is in the show- it dawned on me just now that the title of the area does not mention "actor". Or when time permits - Darren could open up a page for "Actor" Talk - although that would mean a huge shift in many threads but it might be worth it.

I hope the mods don't think I am stepping on toes- this was just a suggestion I thought incorporated everyones needs, wants and desires.

[FallenAngelII]

I vote for merging the Wow and Appreciation threads. I never saw the point of having both an Appreciation and a Wow thread.

And I don't think a merged Wow and Appreciation would lead to them becoming picture archives. That's what thunking threads are for.

[Trialia]

I pretty much live on the Torri/Weir and Sparky threads, despite having only been actively posting for a month (I lurked before), so... what the heck. My $0.02...

I think if I were to decide any option we've been given were better than another I'd say #1, although I really don't see why the three threads can't just peacefully co-exist.

Contrary to popular belief, the pro-Weir crowd don't usually jump all over anyone who's anti- who posts in the Appreciation thread-- it depends what they're saying, n'est-ce-pas? And I avoided the Discussion thread because in the Appreciation thread, yes, there is in fact some critique, but I don't get my head taken off over it and that's the way I'd be happiest for it to stay.

I don't know if this post makes much sense, since I'm sleepy from my meds, but I hope that it does.

[FoolishPleasure]

I like the idea of merging the "Wow" and "Appreciation" threads, as long as you do it for Teyla as well. There are three Teyla threads (Teyla/Shep Ship, Teyla/Rachel Wow, and Teyla/Rachel Appreciation).

Merge the Weir Wow/Appreciation AND Teyla Wow/Appreciation.

Glad you brought this up as I didn't spend much time in the Wow and Appreciation threads as I would forget which threads I posted in. (Hey, I'm old, I forget things. ;) )

[FoolishPleasure]

Just one thing I've noticed that works for the "guys" - Take John Sheppard or Cameron Mitchell. Fans have a THUNK thread to post pics and drool, and then there is a Mitchall and a Sheppard DISCUSSION thread where there are very few (if any) pics and the character is 'discussed' - mostly pro, but if the character behaves stupidly (like in The Tower), the negative aspects can be discussed as well. It works for the "guys", maybe something like that can be done for the ladies (Weir and Teyla). It might stop the "blurring" between the WOW and Appreciation - which both seem to be the same these days.

Also - the Discussion threads are for THAT character to be discussed - the Sheppard thread was starting to turn into a Weir bashing palace for awhile.

Just for fun - maybe start up "Bashing" threads. "Weir Bash", "Ronon Bash", "Daniel Bash". It could be a whole new section of GW where you could bring your rotten tomatoes and toss away. ;) *I am joking with this one* :)

[Skydiver]

The preponderance of pictures is one reason that the discussion thread would remain open in three of the options. for a couple of reasons. a) posting pics is easy and the thread zooms by. b) well for folks with not a lot of time and who are on dialup....downloading all those pics makes thunk/wow/apprecation threads a horrible place to visit. it takes so long for all those pics to download that people literally don't visit.

there is also a difference in attitude between those that want to enjoy the scenery and those that want to have some serious discussion about teh character.

as to the teyla and shep threads....eventually all the character threads will come under review. we're just doing things one person at a time and annoying one group of fans at a time :)

as to peopel being harrassed....well this is alledgedly happening via private message. and i say alledgedly because the mods have seen no proof. We have heard things, we have heard things from multiple people, but we have no proof. If someone is the recipient of a threatening PM, you need to forward it to a mod. And you're not being a rat by doing it, you are being a responsible member of the forum because the person that is sending those alledged pm's is breaking the rules.

As long as a post is within gateworld's rules and the topic of the thread, it is welcome in a thread. No single poster has the rights to tell someone else 'hey, you can't say that about her. you better delete your post'.

You, the general you, are not moderators. You shouldn't have to be. That's what we're here for. If a person sees a post that they think breaks teh rules, they need to report it and let us handle it.

We have enough mods that don't play in threads taht we can present an objective point of view and we can discuss things with the 'bad kids' without ruining it for someone else.

what i'm trying to say is, Karen, who is a member of the thread, pm's Sarah and tells Sarah 'hon, your sig is too big' or 'you can't use those words'...well Sarah might take it well, or she might not. and then Karen is going to bear the brunt of Sarah's frustration adn it will create a tension between the members of the thread whereas if a mod does it....hey, they can be mad at the mod. happens all the time. but it will keep those tensions from being between members of the thread

[astronomicalchick]

I'm not a great poster in thunk or appreciation threads, because I can never think of anything to say beyond, "X rocks!" or whatever. Doesn't mean I'm not a fan of them though (see my sig!) I do love the Elizabeth Weir character and I think Torri rocks! I'm not great with fanart (I don't have the time or the photoshop).. so whatever happens I won't be a great user of the threads.

But I'd like a place where I can discuss the Elizabeth Weir character, voice my concerns (if I have them) and I'd like to think there was a place where I could just go and post "Torri/Weir rocks!" every now and then. So I vote for two threads, one for Discussion and Critique and the other for appreciation and squeeing.

I'd like to see this for all the characters. Someone mentioned earlier that the Sheppard Appreciation and Discussion thread is where you go and critque/discuss Sheppard? Well I'd never dare do that, it would be suicide for my rep!

[astronomicalchick]

I like the idea of merging the "Wow" and "Appreciation" threads, as long as you do it for Teyla as well. There are three Teyla threads (Teyla/Shep Ship, Teyla/Rachel Wow, and Teyla/Rachel Appreciation).

Merge the Weir Wow/Appreciation AND Teyla Wow/Appreciation.

Glad you brought this up as I didn't spend much time in the Wow and Appreciation threads as I would forget which threads I posted in. (Hey, I'm old, I forget things. ;) )

Then you'd have to merge Sheppard/Weir ship..

Jus' saying! :D

[FoolishPleasure]

as to the teyla and shep threads....eventually all the character threads will come under review. we're just doing things one person at a time and annoying one group of fans at a time :)

Weir fans are honored to be "picked on" first. :D


as to peopel being harrassed....well this is alledgedly happening via private message. and i say alledgedly because the mods have seen no proof. We have heard things, we have heard things from multiple people, but we have no proof.

I've seen some huge rants on Live Journal recently about people getting PM's to NOT post in certain threads, but no names were mentioned. I've posted that they need to report items like that to mods or the problem won't stop. Hopefully the offenders will be reported.

[Skydiver]

I've seen some huge rants on Live Journal recently about people getting PM's to NOT post in certain threads, but no names were mentioned. I've posted that they need to report items like that to mods or the problem won't stop. Hopefully the offenders will be reported.


exactly, it will not stop because we as mods can't do anything about an issue we don't know we have. And we're not going to go trolling lj's to gather evidence :)

if it bugs someone enough to complain about it, then they need to report it. and if they don't feel it's worthy of reporting, then it must not be that big of an issue. the same with posts in threads that people dont' agree with. If you - the general you - don't think it's worthy of reporting as breaking the rules, then it must not be that bad after all

[Major_Moomin]

I vote for the first option. Merging the WOW and Appreciation threads.:)

I'm quite shocked to hear about people getting PM's not to post in threads... I never knew this was going on until now.

For some reason there are people who don't like 'noobies'... I can never understand why...I've always found them to be really nice :)

[Skydiver]

For some reason there are people who don't like 'noobies'... I can never understand why...I've always found them to be really nice :)


that is anohter issue, and a sensitive one. Trust me, let's say that amanda decided to come and play in the sam thread...and word spread and all of a sudden our nice little thread of 20 some regular posters swelled to over 100 folks all seeking to get close to the actress.

as a regular, it'd tick me off. i'd wonder 'hey, you didn't want to play when it was just us here' and it would frustrate me.

so i do understand how irritating it can be...but also folks need tolook at it teh ther way. eventually, a thread stagnates. when you have the same few folks posting, they tend to cover the topics and get stuck in a rut and....well get kinda 'eh, been there discussed that'. without an infusion of new blood, any thread will stagnate and die. these new folks are necessary for the continued existence of the thread. you have to have them.

so...instead of letting them irritate you, this is a chance to make new friends

[Major_Moomin]

that is anohter issue, and a sensitive one. Trust me, let's say that amanda decided to come and play in the sam thread...and word spread and all of a sudden our nice little thread of 20 some regular posters swelled to over 100 folks all seeking to get close to the actress.

as a regular, it'd tick me off. i'd wonder 'hey, you didn't want to play when it was just us here' and it would frustrate me.

so i do understand how irritating it can be...but also folks need tolook at it teh ther way. eventually, a thread stagnates. when you have the same few folks posting, they tend to cover the topics and get stuck in a rut and....well get kinda 'eh, been there discussed that'. without an infusion of new blood, any thread will stagnate and die. these new folks are necessary for the continued existence of the thread. you have to have them.

so...instead of letting them irritate you, this is a chance to make new friends

Yes As a regular on the Weir Threads I can understand what it must have been like for the others. I wasn't online at the time Torri visited the thread (time difference and all) so I didn't experience the complete clogging of the forum! *lol* Now she's gone, they've all gone back into the shadows and it's back to her loyal crowd with the exception of a few, who I have to say, are lovely and contribute a lot to the thread! :)

[Suzotchka]

I'm actually feeling very sad about this whole thing. We are all fans of Torri and that should be what brings us together - not what drives us apart.

Whatever the outcome, I truly hope that anyone who wants to post will feel welcome.

[FoolishPleasure]

For some reason there are people who don't like 'noobies'... I can never understand why...I've always found them to be really nice :)
I have to admit that I am skeptical of newbies in certain threads these days, simply because of sock puppet and troll issues.

For example: The A/B Ship Thread had a newbie come in professing love for this pairing, but by their 3rd post the true agenda emerged - "I like A/B, but haven't you really thought about A/C? Because I see A/C and I REALLY think they would work best and the rest of you should consider it!" *DING* That says Troll and/or Sock Puppet.

This has happened at least three times in the past 2 weeks or so in a certain ship thread, and on one occasion a well-known "sock creator" came in to A/B Ship - was called on the carpet by those who recognized them, but other AB fans said they were "rude to a newbie" - when there was no newbie at all, but a troll there to cause trouble between the A/B fans. When the AB fans started arguing amongst each other about the treatment of the "newbie", the troll had succeeded in its mission and left.

I've reached the point in that thread where I don't even speak to newbies until they have made several posts and I can see where they are coming from. That IS rude behavior on my part, but I'm not going to risk encouraging trolls either.

Anyway - I would like to see "ship" fans stay in their own threads and not venture out into other "ship" threads to convert the masses or cause trouble. Sometimes I wish we could put up fences around certain threads and check I.D. before people come in. :D

[Major_Moomin]

I have to admit that I am skeptical of newbies in certain threads these days, simply because of sock puppet and troll issues.

For example: The A/B Ship Thread had a newbie come in professing love for this pairing, but by their 3rd post the true agenda emerged - "I like A/B, but haven't you really thought about A/C? Because I see A/C and I REALLY think they would work best and the rest of you should consider it!" *DING* That says Troll and/or Sock Puppet.

This has happened at least three times in the past 2 weeks or so in a certain ship thread, and on one occasion a well-known "sock creator" came in to A/B Ship - was called on the carpet by those who recognized them, but other AB fans said they were "rude to a newbie" - when there was no newbie at all, but a troll there to cause trouble between the A/B fans. When the AB fans started arguing amongst each other about the treatment of the "newbie", the troll had succeeded in its mission and left.

I've reached the point in that thread where I don't even speak to newbies until they have made several posts and I can see where they are coming from. That IS rude behavior on my part, but I'm not going to risk encouraging trolls either.

Anyway - I would like to see "ship" fans stay in their own threads and not venture out into other "ship" threads to convert the masses or cause trouble. Sometimes I wish we could put up fences around certain threads and check I.D. before people come in. :D

I suppose I am still quite naive and don't think that people would intentionally go into a thread and cause trouble. But I have seen it happen before in the Shep/Weir thread (as you know...cuz it seems they always respond to you posts! *lol* :P )
I'm not one for going into other threads that i'm not interested in... one because I can't be bothered and two because if they're being offensive, I don't want anything to do with it.

I can just see it now... two big burly bouncers on the 'doors' to every thread... :D

[Lida]

First, Sky, your detailed explanation of the merging of the Weir threads was well thought out, well written and shows everyone that we, as forum members are taken seriously. However, we come here to "play" or share our thoughts and feelings about SG1 and SGA in general, and the characters that bring them to life. I realize some people will not be happy, but I applaud the decision, as it seems to the best solution. I think we need to remember that when we became members of GW, we joined a community, and we should respect the opinions of everyone in that community, and it is imperative that we voice our opinions, etd., with respect for the actors and anyone else that is connected to the franchise.

I also was not aware of the problem with noobies and PM's. The only thing I can add is that I'm not a newbie and I have received PM's that my presence was no longer welcome on a specific thread. I ignored it, as I had done nothing wrong and have been a contributor to that thread since it's inception. However, I am now ignored by the others on that thread. I have learned that childish behavior should be ignored, so I suggest that if you are bothered by noobies or "socks", or anyone, ignore them. If they break Forum rules, report them. Hopefully, you will also try to make friends with the noobies, as we were all noobies at one time.

I hope this problem finally gets resolved, and we can all go back to either thunking, whumping or discussing or all three.:)

[Major_Moomin]

You know I thought all this stuff about being ignored by people talking behind your back was done by little children and left behind in an adult world.

Obviously for some... it isn't.

I don't know if I am ignored my others on threads...but now knowing that it does happen, makes me wonder if I am. Not blowing my own trumpet, but I've always been nice to others on threads so I haven't done anything to earn such action...

[AdrianneP]

I don't know if I am ignored my others on threads...but know knowing that it does happen, makes me wonder if I am.

I don't know -- nor do I really care -- if I'm Ignored. In fact, I much prefer it. If you don't like me, if an opinion of mine gets so under your skin that you feel the need to tell me privately to shut up and go away, put me on Ignore. It won't bother me ... Not too much :)

On another board I'm on I think a lot of people do Ignore me, not on their Ignore list but just don't read what I say ... Like I get no comments on it and that sometimes bothers me because a lot of times I'm asking for an opinion or I'm stating mine and looking for feedback. Usually, when I think I'm being Ignored something will happen that'll remind me I'm not. Someone will make a nice comment, like, "I really like reading your input on things ..." or last year I had lurkers coming up to me at the games -- it's a college hockey board so it's all kind of local -- and telling me that they really liked my input, it's refreshing to get a new opinion on the game and to keep up the good work.

You really have no idea who's reading your stuff so I wouldn't get too worried about who's Ignoring you :) There's lots of other people that aren't.

Adrianne

[Lizlove]

1) Merge the wow and appreciation thread into one. Yes, I know that originally Torri and Weir were separated, but that is no longer the case. Also, with pictures, the line between actor and character are so blurred as to be invisible.
Leave the discussion thread for those that aren't in the mood for the fluffier nature of the wow/appreciation thread and wish to discuss the character

2) Close the Wow and Appreciation threads. Begin a new one fashioned after the Sam is a great character (weir is a great character) but make it clear that Torri talk is welcome as long as it fits within Gateworld's rules. This thread will welcome discussion as well as fluff.
Leave the discussion thread due to the fact that the fast moving nature of a Great Character thread – one that will allow screen caps and pictures, makes serious discussion difficult.

3) Merge the Wow and Appreciation threads, renaming them WIAGC, thus preserving all the posts while making the new direction clear.
Leave the discussion thread

4) Merge all of them into a Weir is a great character thread



I'm inclined towards the first option. I think this one can make everyone happy and the people who are a regulars on the 2 threads don't have to worry about the 2 different ones.

[Skydiver]

ok, back to the original topic, which is the disposition of the weir threads

over all the majority seems to be in favor of option one

1) Merge the wow and appreciation thread into one. Yes, I know that originally Torri and Weir were separated, but that is no longer the case. Also, with pictures, the line between actor and character are so blurred as to be invisible.
Leave the discussion thread for those that aren't in the mood for the fluffier nature of the wow/appreciation thread and wish to discuss the character

Now, let's presume that we go for option one. I personally feel that, in an effort to make a fresh start that we look at option three...which is a modified version of option one. We merge the two threads, wow and appreciation, then we rename it. The only reason to rename it is to symolize some unity and also to eliminate any 'our thread was bigger/first' attitudes.

again my persnal opinion is to go wtih something worded more openly. I have a personal fondness for Weir is a Great Character, however we can alter this to encompass Torri too. Or we can make it clear that Torri talk is more than welcome in the thread, just like we do in the Sam is a Great Character thread. our discussion is predominantly about Sam, but Amanda chat is welcome as well, as are pictures of AT in other roles. It is pretty much a catch all for all things sam/amanda. People can discuss the recent episodes, at's upcoming movie roles, her past movie/tv roles, the latest magazine, whatever.
People post thier walls and links to fic and their newest icons...it's basically all things sam/amanda

Would something like this work for the Weir/Torri threads? We don't have to stick wtih the 'is a great character', however, it's jsut somthing that works. If the goal is to keep the 'weir sucks' crowd out of things, then a general title like 'all things torri/weir' really doesn't work since 'all things' implies the welcoming of things positive and negative. (while torri bashing is off limits, this title would not make weir bashing off limits, something i don't think you folks are fond of)

Samanda (the sam thread) gets fluffy, it gets serious, it's fun, then we have a whinge fest, then we have a silly fest and fight over teal'c....we pretty much do a good job of getting along and welcoming all points of view with the unifying factor being that a like of Sam/Amanda is a must

opinions on this?

[AdrianneP]

I have no real opinion on Thread Title.
I never knew "Sam is a Great Character" thread was for appreciation. I see your point about renaming it ... Makes sense.

Adrianne

[Skydiver]

it is predominantly discussion, but people still post pictures. we get our dose of eye candy, we have caption contests, we have our own poet, we have our own 'court' (our queen is amanda...yeah, we get a little silly) :0

the point is, as long as someone likes sam or professes their like, they're welcome. She's - to us - a great character and we invite folks to come and share their opinions.

and we do critique her. we do critique the episodes...but we don't bash and we don't smash. We let our shared like of a character adn actress draw us together. We have die hard slashers, shippers adn genners all playing together. we accept and acknowledge each others' differences and again, let Sam/Amanda be the unifying force

[Presley_Carter]

That sounds fine Skydiver. And the discussion thread would remain right? Or would it be just one big Torri Fest Thread?

P.S. Skydiver I hope you are getting a raise for this :)

[Skydiver]

the discussion therad will remain since it is for pro and con discussions of the weir character.

the as yet to be renamed thread is the cumlative wow/thunk/appreciation thread for both actress and character. pictures are welcome, discussion is welcome (althuogh personally, given the history of the weir fans, i don't see a ton of discussion in the newly named thead. y'all chat too fast for serious discussion to have much of a chance :) )

[Luz]

and we do critique her. we do critique the episodes...but we don't bash and we don't smash. We let our shared like of a character adn actress draw us together. We have die hard slashers, shippers adn genners all playing together. we accept and acknowledge each others' differences and again, let Sam/Amanda be the unifying force
I'm all for this, as a fan i prefer to touch mostly the possitive aspects, i'm more into gushing than serious discussion, but there are folks who do like to dig deeper into stuff, so it would be fair to allow them to have a place to talk. They keep the discussion thread and we (the ones that are more into gushing) keep our WOW thread (i vote for it to keep the WOW name).
I only hope the discussion thread doesn't become into a bash Weir thread, i've already spotted some people who are known anti-Weir folks trying to use that thread for their own agendas.

[Suzotchka]

So we would have one thread along the line of Torri/Weir is a great character, where people can post pics and praise for both Torri and Weir.

And the Discussion thread would be soley for Weir character discussion (pro & con)?

[Presley_Carter]

How about this - Torri Central - for pics, art, serious and silly discussion on both Torri and Lil' Liz.

And the Weir Discussion Thread - as it is for both postive and negative flame free critical analysis discussion on Weir...

Am I right....is that it?

[AdrianneP]

I only hope the discussion thread doesn't become into a bash Weir thread, i've already spotted some people who are known anti-Weir folks trying to use that thread for their own agendas.

I haven't read the Discussion thread since it got pulled for review so I don't know of any "Anti-Weir" folks coming in but since I don't see 'agendas' very easily I openly welcome to Anti-Weir fans to the Discussion thread because I want to hear their opinion ... Why don't they like Weir. I know why everyone likes Weir. I want to know why people don't ... I think a few of them have some valid points. I'd like to hear more of them without having to run around Gateworld looking for it ...

That's why I like and support the Discussion thread. I want to hear all opinions in one place. An open, civil discussion on the character.

Adrianne

[Erised]

How about this - Torri Central - for pics, art, serious and silly discussion on both Torri and Lil' Liz.

And the Weir Discussion Thread - as it is for both postive and negative flame free critical analysis discussion on Weir...

Am I right....is that it?
I like this...

[Lida]

I agree Skydiver. I believe having two threads, one for pictures, appreciation, etc and the other thread for discussion of the character is the best solution. It seems to be working for other characters.:)

Hope all the Weir fans will find this new system very easy to adapt too. I think you'll find it works extremely well. :weir:

[FoolishPleasure]

How about this - Torri Central - for pics, art, serious and silly discussion on both Torri and Lil' Liz.

And the Weir Discussion Thread - as it is for both postive and negative flame free critical analysis discussion on Weir...

Am I right....is that it?
Sounds good to me. :)

[CalmStorm]

How about this - Torri Central - for pics, art, serious and silly discussion on both Torri and Lil' Liz.

And the Weir Discussion Thread - as it is for both postive and negative flame free critical analysis discussion on Weir...

I like both those suggestions :)

[gooner_diva]

How about this - Torri Central - for pics, art, serious and silly discussion on both Torri and Lil' Liz.

And the Weir Discussion Thread - as it is for both postive and negative flame free critical analysis discussion on Weir...

Am I right....is that it?
I agree with this suggestion. :)

[prion]

After looking at the Characters folder, I think what should be done is breaking the folders into Characters for SG1, characters for SGA! ;)

Really....

[Skydiver]

After looking at the Characters folder, I think what should be done is breaking the folders into Characters for SG1, characters for SGA! ;)

Really....
that's a question/suggestion for darren

[Tracy Jane]

Samanda (the sam thread) gets fluffy, it gets serious, it's fun, then we have a whinge fest, then we have a silly fest and fight over teal'c....we pretty much do a good job of getting along and welcoming all points of view with the unifying factor being that a like of Sam/Amanda is a must



it is predominantly discussion, but people still post pictures. we get our dose of eye candy, we have caption contests, we have our own poet, we have our own 'court' (our queen is amanda...yeah, we get a little silly) :0


Yupp, this is what I love about Samanda. We're united. There's no "What thread do I post in now?" if it's anything Sam/Amanda related, it goes in. Also if it's related to our friends on Samanda, it usually gets thrown in, just like the little OT chats we have now in Torri threads.

This is why, personally, I really love the idea of having one thread.

We're all very different and generally accept that. If someone wants eye candy to drool over, that's fine and acceptable over in Samanda. You don't get the equivalent of the Torri Thread Police (although, to be fair, the Royal Security Guard is part of the drooling committee). It really is a question of tolerance on the Torri threads. We need to stop all this back and forth about "I want you to delete that post" when there's blatantly nothing wrong with it.

Anyway, I'm still a big fan of merging all three threads, but if the majority wants the two, then it's fine by me, and I love the name Torri Central, as suggested by Pres.

One little word of warning, however... In the past couple of weeks I've been finding it hard to go on wow because certain people have been posting 6-7 consecutive posts with about 8 large pics a time. I have DSL, but it's still slowing my machine. If we do merge threads, we need to make it clear that although pics are welcome, it is not a picture archive, and shouldn't alienate people because their net connection is slow.

I'm not saying no pics, I'm saying in moderation. On other thunk/wow threads, the only real time you get more than 1-2 pics per post is a caption story.

[FoolishPleasure]

After looking at the Characters folder, I think what should be done is breaking the folders into Characters for SG1, characters for SGA! ;)

Really....
That's a pretty good idea. Of couse, you'll run into subjects like the "Daniel/Weir Ship" and "where" do we put it. But something like that could probably fall under either category.

[Skydiver]

or when we have crossovers. where does sam fit since she's been on both? same with rod, the same with other crossover characters. and if there are more crossovers to come, things could only get more confusing

but i digress. that is a topic for the ask the mods folder, not this one.

If we go with Torri Central, it will have to be made perfectly clear that weir stuff is welcome in there too. WE can't have someone being told 'hey, your post is only about weir, take it to the other thread'

and also, like tracy said, i do think people need to be considerate about the pictures. 20 posts in a row that are nothing but pictuers....well that might be off putting for some

however, this is just something else to consider. i think first we need to settle on a name for the soon to be merged threads.

Torri Central
Torri/Weir Central
Toweir Central
TorLiz
LizTorri
The Gumbo Room???

i dunno, suggestions?

[alyssa]

that is anohter issue, and a sensitive one. Trust me, let's say that amanda decided to come and play in the sam thread...and word spread and all of a sudden our nice little thread of 20 some regular posters swelled to over 100 folks all seeking to get close to the actress.

as a regular, it'd tick me off. i'd wonder 'hey, you didn't want to play when it was just us here' and it would frustrate me.

so i do understand how irritating it can be...but also folks need tolook at it teh ther way. eventually, a thread stagnates. when you have the same few folks posting, they tend to cover the topics and get stuck in a rut and....well get kinda 'eh, been there discussed that'. without an infusion of new blood, any thread will stagnate and die. these new folks are necessary for the continued existence of the thread. you have to have them.

so...instead of letting them irritate you, this is a chance to make new friends

I'd agree with you on this. We had 170 people the day that Torri arrived and that annoyed the hell out of us. But, of those 170 people, only a few stuck around and became regular posters. They're the ones who are serious and were there for Torri, not there just for a brush with a celebrity.

They're regulars now, and should be treated as regulars, and not ostracised.

[AdrianneP]

I like Torri/Weir Central.
I also think "The Gumbo Room" is too cute for words :D I like that ...

Adrianne

[Suzotchka]

I like Torri/Weir Central.
I also think "The Gumbo Room" is too cute for words :D I like that ...

Adrianne

I agree with you.

[ToasterOnFire]

I was somewhat active in the Weir discussion thread a while back but I stopped for a variety of reasons, so feel free to take my advice with a grain of salt. :)

The only other character threads that I frequent are the McKay ones. There are two threads, a McKay/DH Thunk and Appreciation Thread and a Dr. McKay Discussion thread and there hasn't been had any problems in those. I think this approach would work for pretty much all characters.

So have two Weir threads:

1) "Weir/Torri (or TH) Wow and Appreciation Thread" - for general squeeage for anything Weir and anything Torri has done outside of Stargate. Any and all pictures, fanart, and screencaps go here. Any thunking/wowing/whatever goes here. The focus here should be more on positive comments rather than critical opinions. Some discussion is fine, but paragraphs worth of stuff is better suited to the discussion thread.

2) "Dr. Weir Discussion Thread" - for more detailed discussion and analysis of Weir. Critical analysis of the character is fine as long as it doesn't turn into bashing. Picture posting should be kept to an absolute minimum or absent altogether.


One of the Weir threads got absolutely out of control when Torri started posting. Maybe it would be a good idea if Torri got her own thread ala Joe or Martin if she continues to post? That would help return the Weir thread to some level of normalcy with post counts.

[ShadowMaat]

Or there's the Torri/Weir Gumbo Room. :P

[Skydiver]

One of the Weir threads got absolutely out of control when Torri started posting. Maybe it would be a good idea if Torri got her own thread ala Joe or Martin if she continues to post? That would help return the Weir thread to some level of normalcy with post counts.


i'm sure that option is open to her, however it's something she has to want. once darren verified her identity, he was open to giving her her own thread, however he didn't want to bombard her all at once with 'come do this, come do that'

If any actor or member of the cast/crew is interested in doing something, all they need to do is contact darren and he'll work with them.

and i kinda thing that the 'Torri/Weir Gumbo Room' is a fun name.

[TameFarrar]

Torri/Weir Gumbo Room has quite the ring to it :D :D

[St@rbuck]

Torri/Weir Gumbo Room has quite the ring to it :D :D

I like that too :)

XXX

[joshuaselig]

1) Merge the wow and appreciation thread into one. Yes, I know that originally Torri and Weir were separated, but that is no longer the case. Also, with pictures, the line between actor and character are so blurred as to be invisible.
Leave the discussion thread for those that aren't in the mood for the fluffier nature of the wow/appreciation thread and wish to discuss the character.



Put me down for this option :D

[alyssa]

One of the Weir threads got absolutely out of control when Torri started posting. Maybe it would be a good idea if Torri got her own thread ala Joe or Martin if she continues to post? That would help return the Weir thread to some level of normalcy with post counts.


I'd agree with that. That's also when certain posters tried to assert their authority over the thread. There was almost an 'ownership' of Torri thing, which was a little disconcerting.

What people need to remember is that yes, plenty of us have met her, but that doesn't make us any bigger fans than those who haven't met her. It just means there's been a con near us (not many people can honestly say that), and that we were able to afford the outrageous cost of going to that con. Simple as that. There tends to be this "but she was nice to me" thing. Of course she's nice. I'm sure she's nice to everyone. I've met her. She has a great kind of presence about her, and she's wonderful with her fans. Very sweet, extremely giving when it comes to her time, and attention. Just as I've heard David Hewlett and Paul McGillion are.

There seems to be a blurred line in at least one of the threads. Yes, we've all been protective of Torri because of nasty things a certain person said about her early on. But these were extreme, irrational, baseless comments. These weren't comments you'd call constructive criticism. I'm sure Torri can take constructive comments about her character. It's the nastiness that happened when the series started that we need to stop, not the constructive stuff.

I can't believe all this carry on has happened because certain people want everyone to agree with them. Bottom line is that every fan comes from a different viewpoint. That's how you have discussion, by talking about different views. I'm sure the mods have created the third Torri thread as a way of diluting the fanaticism, but unfortunately it hasn't worked. If everyone had behaved in the existing threads, and stuck to the rules, we wouldn't have had a problem in the first place.

[Skydiver]

There is also a responsibility for the folks that play in the thread.

if someone is picking on you, telling you what you can and can't post, report them. forward the pm's to a mod and turn them in because they are violating the rules of this forum.

If i posted 'gad, you know, i really don't like amanda's hair this season' and then tracy (picking on you ;) ) pm'd me and said 'how dare you say that? you know that amanda might come here and read that?????' Tracy is wrong. I have a right to express my opinion.

Now if i say 'good grief, amand looks like a ho with that hair', well tracy dang well better be reporting me to the mods because that is a personal attack on the actor and inappropriate

do we mods want to be a driving force and constant presence in your threads???? Heck no. You are all adults (or most of you) and you agreed to a standard of behavior to jointhis forum, however if something is going wrong, we need to know about it. because if we don't, we can't do anything about it.

[alyssa]

There is also a responsibility for the folks that play in the thread.

if someone is picking on you, telling you what you can and can't post, report them. forward the pm's to a mod and turn them in because they are violating the rules of this forum.

If i posted 'gad, you know, i really don't like amanda's hair this season' and then tracy (picking on you ;) ) pm'd me and said 'how dare you say that? you know that amanda might come here and read that?????' Tracy is wrong. I have a right to express my opinion.

Now if i say 'good grief, amand looks like a ho with that hair', well tracy dang well better be reporting me to the mods because that is a personal attack on the actor and inappropriate

do we mods want to be a driving force and constant presence in your threads???? Heck no. You are all adults (or most of you) and you agreed to a standard of behavior to jointhis forum, however if something is going wrong, we need to know about it. because if we don't, we can't do anything about it.


Exactly! The problem is that there are some people who can't see the difference between those two comments. They see both of them as being of the same level of offensiveness. This is where the problem is.

The ownership of the thread thing is also very, very offputting to the new people. I've had a couple of them PM me and tell me they don't feel comfortable posting there. That's sad, because they're people who, once you get to know them, are great!

[Skydiver]

ok, guys, what is the concensus on the Weir/Torri Gumbo Room?

yay, nay?

I do want to give this about another 24 hours before we do anything.

now when we merge the threads, they may disappear for a bit. just to make sure that we don't lose any posts, we may either close or move the threads elsewhere, merge them, rename it and then put them back out.

the only reason for doing it this way to make sure that no pots get lost in the process

[Luz]

ok, guys, what is the concensus on the Weir/Torri Gumbo Room?

yay, nay?

I do want to give this about another 24 hours before we do anything.

now when we merge the threads, they may disappear for a bit. just to make sure that we don't lose any posts, we may either close or move the threads elsewhere, merge them, rename it and then put them back out.

the only reason for doing it this way to make sure that no pots get lost in the process
I'm all for option one, but i don't like the name Gumbo for the thread (i know, i know it's the name she uses), but it's her posting name (it sounds a bit too obsessive, makes me uncomfortable for some reason). Why not keep the name WOW thread, just to make the change more bearable, not change *everything* at once.

[Skydiver]

i understand.

but if we keep the wow thread name, how will the appreciation folks feel?

[CalmStorm]

ok, guys, what is the concensus on the Weir/Torri Gumbo Room?

It's a toss up for me between that and the 'Torri/Weir Central' suggestion. However, I think newer posters might be slightly confused by the 'Gumbo' part.

[Tracy Jane]

Exactly, Sky. I like the idea of Gumbo Room, it's quite fun. Actually, seeing as it's a reference to her cat, it's not that obsessive. Alternatively, we could name it after Sedgie instead.

I mean we all love Sedge, the REAL star of episodes like Home! So how about using Sedgie, who we all love (I believe some members are running the "Sedge for Atlantis 2006" campaign). It's still a reference to one of her beloved pets and something Torri-esque, but it's less "personal" than Gumbo.

Alternatively, how about something with "Coexist" in the title, named after the famous t-shirts Torri wears, and the ambience we want to promote in the thread (although, current feedback says Sedge is the more popular option)


If i posted 'gad, you know, i really don't like amanda's hair this season' and then tracy (picking on you ) pm'd me and said 'how dare you say that? you know that amanda might come here and read that?????' Tracy is wrong. I have a right to express my opinion.


Sky, what have I told you about airing our dirty laundry in public!! :P You've exposed me as the Samandan thread police now!

[Luz]

Alternatively, how about something with "Coexist" in the title, named after the famous t-shirts Torri wears, and the ambience we want to promote in the thread (although, current feedback says Sedge is the more popular option)


Coexist sounds personal, but not too much (which is why Gumbo makes me a bit uncomfortable, it's her user name), it's good. I'd vote for the Torri/Weir Central one, sounds like we are going to team up to solve crimes, lol, cool.

[GeekyDollie]

I like Torri/Weir Central too. It's easy for anyone who hasn't been hanging around that long to understand what it is from the title. Sweet and simple.

[Dorka]

Okay... I don't post as much anymore as I did a few month ago... 2 jobs plus studying keeps me buisy... so selfishly seen the solution to put Weir/Torri Appreciation/wow together works just fine for me, cuz it's really difficult to have the overview above 3 threads if you can't come online every day and be online for 3 hours a day so: :D I don't even have time to post in my second favourite area-thread :S

Name picking:

I would vote for "Torri/Elizabeth Central"
Elizabeth bc it's appreciation...Weir is fine with discussing but appreciation/wow should be Elizabeth then ;)
And Central mainly because the new users... 1st, they should look at the thread and don't think "WTF? what is this" but better feel adressed cuz the newbies maybe don't know what Gumbo-means ;), 2nd... it would only mean that we would have to answer every new users question what Gumbo means so ;) as much as I like this name :D

Well I didn't know about those bad PM's... and to be honest I also felt a little strange and accused bc everyone was telling the old posters in General weren't tolerant enough...but I can honestly say, that I didn't even thing about writing PM's to people about "negative opinions aren't welcome"...but now that I heard that PM's were sent, I guess I can more understand why people felt unwelcome. I think if there's something like that it may should be discussed openly...at least I used to make it that way ;)

[gooner_diva]

I'm for Torri/Weir Central.

I agree with Dorka. The Gumbo bit may be perfectly obvious to us, but confusing for new members. You can still put it in the name of the thread, but be prepared to keep telling people what it means. Those of us who go to Sparky thread should know what I'm on about. ;)

[alyssa]

I'm for Torri/Weir Central.

I agree with Dorka. The Gumbo bit may be perfectly obvious to us, but confusing for new members. You can still put it in the name of the thread, but be prepared to keep telling people what it means. Those of us who go to Sparky thread should know what I'm on about. ;)


Gumbo's like an in joke for us. There were quite a few of us who knew it was in reference to Torri's cat, but lots of people didn't. Anyone who doesn't know about her pets wouldn't have a clue what the Gumbo reference was related to. I'm with you on Torri/Weir Central!

[xfkirsten]

I like the Gumbo Room, it's a really cute idea, but in the end I gotta agree on Torri/Weir Central. Like they say, it really is easier for new folks to recognize what the thread is, rather than a "...WTF?" response.

[FoolishPleasure]

I like Torri/Weir Gumbo Room, but that could be confusing for newbies, so maybe Torri/Weir Central idea would be better.

[prion]

Gumbo's like an in joke for us. There were quite a few of us who knew it was in reference to Torri's cat, but lots of people didn't. Anyone who doesn't know about her pets wouldn't have a clue what the Gumbo reference was related to. I'm with you on Torri/Weir Central!

Gumbo is a food dish, so yes, sh ould be named something that isn't so 'in'... bynaming it something, well, normal (for lack of a better word), any new visitors to the thread will feel more welcomed.

[Skydiver]

ok, if you guys notced the threads going wiggy about 1215 today, they were merged and re-named.

TOrri/Weir central is now open for business

[mentalmichael]

Umm so just to be clear, the appreciation thread has become Torri/Weir central, and the wow thread has become part of it as well?

[Skydiver]

yes. appreciation and wow have been merged into torri/weir central