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Saif Blade
February 22nd, 2006, 03:16 PM
This probably has no basis, but I was just curious, could the ancients have terra-formed most of the planets in the Milky Way galaxy. I mean most of the planets in the show are so similar to each other, and we all know the gates were placed on each planet by the ancients.

In season 6 an ancient is found in Antarctica that was 50 MILLION years old. Only 10,000 years ago was Atlantis abandoned. I mean all this time in Stargate Atlantis they keep refering to the ancients who fought the Wraith, but these anceints who fought the wraith are relatively new compared to the ancients such as the one found in season 6. I wonder what the Ancients were doing during those millions of years and before that. The ancients have to have left the Ori galaxy def. over 50 million years ago.

I wonder, were the ancients terra-forming all those planets that have gates over time? Did they do this to the Pegasus galaxy too?

creed462
February 22nd, 2006, 03:50 PM
Maybe they did. That is a good theory

Prior_of_the_Ori
February 22nd, 2006, 05:15 PM
Well not sure about the Ancients (though its certaintly within their capacity to do so) but Teal'c mentioned that the Goa'uld also did the same thing to some worlds, that is terraform them to a more..suitable condition. This was mentioned back in season 1 where they go and hunt down a rogue SG team member who was Carters fiancee.

Saif Blade
February 23rd, 2006, 12:56 PM
If that's true that means Goa'uld must have been in control for over millions of years!

Cherriey
February 23rd, 2006, 01:33 PM
If that's true that means Goa'uld must have been in control for over millions of years!
I don't know about it being that long. Maybe hundreds of thousands but millions would be stretching it. =0)

Prior_of_the_Ori
February 23rd, 2006, 02:50 PM
It would probably be thousands, millions is probably stretching it a bit.

Auralis
February 23rd, 2006, 05:47 PM
Hrmm, now that i think of it.
Why did the ancients created human life all over the place?
Maybe they to want to build an army to fight a Ori, but they want real enlightend ascended for that. so they protect the humans from interference, ori and their own and collect all those that ascend into their group.
Increasing their power over time.
While the ori leech directly from their followers.

metroid
February 23rd, 2006, 11:21 PM
The Gao'uld were dying about 6000 (i'm not sure how many years bc it was but i think 4000) years ago when Ra came to earth and i don't imagine they would have lived very long before then because they were only inhabiting unas back then.

bcharley
February 23rd, 2006, 11:28 PM
Hrmm, now that i think of it.
Why did the ancients created human life all over the place?


In the Milky Way galaxy, the Ancients only created human life on Earth. The Goa'uld then spread humanity throughout the rest of the galaxy.

bcharley
February 23rd, 2006, 11:36 PM
This probably has no basis, but I was just curious, could the ancients have terra-formed most of the planets in the Milky Way galaxy. I mean most of the planets in the show are so similar to each other, and we all know the gates were placed on each planet by the ancients.

In season 6 an ancient is found in Antarctica that was 50 MILLION years old. Only 10,000 years ago was Atlantis abandoned. I mean all this time in Stargate Atlantis they keep refering to the ancients who fought the Wraith, but these anceints who fought the wraith are relatively new compared to the ancients such as the one found in season 6. I wonder what the Ancients were doing during those millions of years and before that. The ancients have to have left the Ori galaxy def. over 50 million years ago.

I wonder, were the ancients terra-forming all those planets that have gates over time? Did they do this to the Pegasus galaxy too?


"Planets" in the show are so similar since it's mainly filmed in the Vancouver area. I don't believe it's ever been stated that the Ancients were involved in terra-forming.

metroid
February 23rd, 2006, 11:44 PM
I don't think they ever created human life in MW before the plague.

They only created life with the dakara machina when the plague that was going through the MW killed alot of ancients.

Then Ra found earth and alot of Goa'uld's moved human to other planets to do labor and stuff like that.

NakedJehutyV2
February 24th, 2006, 01:25 AM
they are at least 50million years old certainly enough time

Davidtourniquet
February 24th, 2006, 07:36 AM
The goauld done the main terraforming so that the human slaves wouldn't die out. So they had to change the planet to be able to occupy the human slaves and their hosts. That's how I read it anyway.

MarshAngel
February 24th, 2006, 09:13 AM
The goauld done the main terraforming so that the human slaves wouldn't die out. So they had to change the planet to be able to occupy the human slaves and their hosts. That's how I read it anyway.
...or they claim they did but didn't because they lie, constantly, especially about things that make them look like all powerful gods.

I don't think the Ancients or the Goa'uld did significant terraforming. That's a lot of work. My wild guess is they took planets capable of supporting life in some way and did just enough to them so that they would comfortable for human life; as opposed to say, terraforming mars-like planets.

One of the reasons I think that is: in two cases, the planet with the solar radiation in First Commandment and the planet with the weather issues in touchstone, there were (likely Ancient) devices to maintain the conditions rather than change the planet itself. That doesn't exclude terraforming but there are apparently different ways of 'fixing' a planet.

Heaven
February 24th, 2006, 09:43 AM
Well sorry to disappoint you but without terraforming the chances of finding another planet suitable for human life in this galaxy are EXTREMELY low.

besides the lanteans were "spreading new life in a galaxy where there appeared to be none"

MarshAngel
February 24th, 2006, 11:16 AM
Well sorry to disappoint you but without terraforming the chances of finding another planet suitable for human life in this galaxy are EXTREMELY low.

besides the lanteans were "spreading new life in a galaxy where there appeared to be none"
That would be in reality. The show regularly operates outside that particular realm.

The idea that the Ancients are responsible not just for all life in this galaxy but the very basis of it would just be too much. It's bad enough as it is.

Besides the Milky Way is huge and it's not like these planets are right next door to each other. They are few and far between. We haven't even visited two hundred out of how many millions, perhaps billions of planets in the Milky Way.

if there were only 6 million planets in the entire galaxy, 1% of them would be 60,000. So the list of planets we have in the SG database with gates is tiny.

Hatcheter
February 24th, 2006, 03:15 PM
In Frozen, they said that the Stargate was in ice that was as much as fifty million years old. IMO, that's an outside range for the age. Aiyana was estimated to have been frozen for three million years, which matches up with the "several million years ago" in SGA's pilot episode.

As for where humans were placed, there has been nothing in SG-1 that suggests the Ancients put humans on any other world than Earth. The humans we see were moved around the galaxy by the Goa'uld, who came to Earth in 8,000 B.C., and were run off about 3,000 B.C.

Davidtourniquet
February 25th, 2006, 04:01 AM
...or they claim they did but didn't because they lie, constantly, especially about things that make them look like all powerful gods.

I don't think the Ancients or the Goa'uld did significant terraforming. That's a lot of work. My wild guess is they took planets capable of supporting life in some way and did just enough to them so that they would comfortable for human life; as opposed to say, terraforming mars-like planets.

One of the reasons I think that is: in two cases, the planet with the solar radiation in First Commandment and the planet with the weather issues in touchstone, there were (likely Ancient) devices to maintain the conditions rather than change the planet itself. That doesn't exclude terraforming but there are apparently different ways of 'fixing' a planet.

Well we know that the goauld steal technology and claim it as their own. There's no reason they didn't steal some terraforming device and use it on the planets with stargates on the Abydos cartouche. Outside of that, we don't know if they knew about the other stargates that jack programmed into the database when he had the ancient knowledge. There is a possibility that the goauld when they took the humans from earth, put those humans in a place which would be comfortable to them, so they wouldn't realise they were not on Earth which is why for example Abydos looks similiar to Ancient Egypt. Since Ra was the sun god for the ancient egyptians. So when he moved them from a desert to another desert they knew no different and carried on working as slaves for Ra.
Do that for all the other ancient "gods" in the world and you soon see a pattern to how that planet would be.

555GATE
February 26th, 2006, 12:29 PM
It would probably be thousands, millions is probably stretching it a bit.

Yeah I highly doubt it's much more than thousands. There are other races in the galaxy during the reign of the Ancients: Asguard, Furlings, and Nox. The Nox probably had little desire for a large empire, and influence throughout the galaxy, but the Ancients definately, the Asguard atleast some, and who really knows about the Furlings. I imagine the Goulds came to power after the ancient's influence diminished, probably sometime near the outbreak of the plague, when they could move virtually unimpeded (scavenging technology, transplanting the new humans), throughout the galaxy.

reiella
February 26th, 2006, 08:38 PM
"Planets" in the show are so similar since it's mainly filmed in the Vancouver area. I don't believe it's ever been stated that the Ancients were involved in terra-forming.

Except by the Dakara device. And even then, lightly.

Chutzpah
February 27th, 2006, 03:41 AM
I always thought they just flew around the galaxy, looking for planets that could support human life and dumped a stargate there.

For some reason, im not sure why, i thought humans left earth through the stargate by their own accord. Perhaps it had something to do with the first episode with the Tollan. Someone asked why they were more advanced that us, and the answer given was something along the lines of

"The may have left earth before the ice age"

Still, i could have just formulated this in my mind, it may be based on absolutly nothing.

reiella
February 27th, 2006, 06:23 AM
The Tollan didn't have a Dark Age.

cpgfilth
February 28th, 2006, 12:03 AM
Jeez just imagine the history tests an ancient kid would of had to take. hahaha

bcharley
February 28th, 2006, 09:26 AM
Except by the Dakara device. And even then, lightly.

When was it said that the Dakara device was actually used for terraforming?