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    After reading several posts about how the Daedalus lacks good weapons, I thought it was time to provide the solutions. Designs for modern weapons modified with SG tech to create bad *ss weapons that would 1 shot kill a hive ship, Ha'tak, or even an Ori ship. Oh, and some other fun toys as well.

    Naqahdah Enhanced Nuclear Rail Gun
    This is a modification of the "Little Boy" uranium bomb, where a super-critical mass is separated into two pieces. One piece acts as a target, while the other piece is shot into it down a barrel. The required velocity is something like 3,000 feet per second (roughly Mach 2). Normally, a high explosive is required to propel the pieces together. The Daedalus's railguns already reach speeds of Mach 5, so all that needs to happen is that the front of the projectile (with one half) stops, while inertia carries the other half (in the rear) into it, creating a super-critical mass. We make the barrel out of a strong Trinium-Naqahdah alloy to avoid deformation, and provide a boost to the nuclear explosion. The middle casing should be made of blended metal to aid in the arrest of the projectile, and the outside should be coated in an energy ablative ceramic (like that used in the staff-proofed vests or Anubis soldier suits) so that the projectile penetrates shields. Some Nagahdria could be added to further enhance the yield. The result: rapid-fire, shield penetrating, instant death.

    Shield Penetrating Projectiles
    Coat normal rail gun projectiles with shield penetrating ceramics, then slice-and-dice, selectively disabling enemy systems, right through their shields (until their shield generators get destroyed).

    Hyper-Leap Naqahdria Missile
    This is basically an X-302, but stripped down to the hyper drive, inertial dampeners, and Naqahdria reactor, and then repackaged into a missile. The idea is very simple, and almost already used in the series. The missile launches, acquires the target, and effects a hyperspace jump into the target, where the Nagahdria reactor overloads. Shields are meaningless.

    Hyperspace Rail Cannon
    A large, Naqahdah-enhanced nuclear device (1 GTon yield) is fired from a large rail gun, however; the projectile is fired into hyperspace, and programmed to explode in hyperspace in the real-space vacinity of the target, causing havoc.

    Leap Rail Cannon
    The projectile is composed of a Naqahdria reactor and a hyperspace drive coil. The reactor is activated and used to power up the drive coil before the projectile is launched. On launch, the projectile is fired into hyperspace (initial stable window created from the ship's power), and programmed to overload into the drive coil once it reaches the target location. The result: a highly unstable hyperspace window centered on the target, spewing forth a Naqahdria reactor overload.

    Energy Ablative Hull Plating
    Coat the ship in energy ablative materials, similar to those used in the Anubis soldier suits. Simple, energy weapons which penetrate the shields are harmlessly dispersed across the hull.

    Drone Replacement
    Miniaturize the anti-inertia drives in the X-302, and put them in a missile with a small Naqahdah reactor (or a large capacitor), and a small shield generator. The reactor powers the anti-inertia coils and shield, giving the missile increased speed, maneuverability, and possible shield/hull penetrating ability. The reactor (or battery) expends the rest of its energy explosively on impact.

    ZPM Recharging Station
    A ZPM functions by releasing energy from a sub-space domain. All ZPMs have similar initial energy stores, which indicates they were uniformly manufactured and charged with energy (like batteries), instead of being an exploratory device, like an oil well. To recharge, energy just needs to be added back into the sub-space domain which the ZPM accessed. This can be done by using a stargate as a valve/door, and a shield as a funnel. The source of energy, one of those great big burning balls of hydrogen, which seem to be rather common.

    Anyway, just a few toys I'm sure we could figure out pretty darned fast, after exposure to the things that have come through the stargate.

    #2
    some damn good ideas there, but if we did all that then we wouldnt really have much of a show would we lol

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      #3
      Originally posted by RobJones
      some damn good ideas there, but if we did all that then we wouldnt really have much of a show would we lol
      True, they can't bring in all of the "Badass" stuff at once or at all. If they do, they need enemies that can match it. Otherwise, What's the point?

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        #4
        its kinda like i said in another thread, the tech is there, they should just use the old Staff type weapons that the systemlords used on there capital class vessels. they could strap them the the hull of an earth ship and bam, youve got a weapon that does better damange.
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          #5
          Originally posted by RobJones
          some damn good ideas there, but if we did all that then we wouldnt really have much of a show would we lol
          Ya we can't be that good...If we wooped everyone in the galaxies asses, then it wouldn't be funny to watch.
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            #6
            I would like to see us do some damage, seems like the past two episodes we keep getting whooped.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Magic_Pumpkin
              After reading several posts about how the Daedalus lacks good weapons, I thought it was time to provide the solutions. Designs for modern weapons modified with SG tech to create bad *ss weapons that would 1 shot kill a hive ship, Ha'tak, or even an Ori ship. Oh, and some other fun toys as well.

              Naqahdah Enhanced Nuclear Rail Gun
              This is a modification of the "Little Boy" uranium bomb, where a super-critical mass is separated into two pieces. One piece acts as a target, while the other piece is shot into it down a barrel. The required velocity is something like 3,000 feet per second (roughly Mach 2). Normally, a high explosive is required to propel the pieces together. The Daedalus's railguns already reach speeds of Mach 5, so all that needs to happen is that the front of the projectile (with one half) stops, while inertia carries the other half (in the rear) into it, creating a super-critical mass. We make the barrel out of a strong Trinium-Naqahdah alloy to avoid deformation, and provide a boost to the nuclear explosion. The middle casing should be made of blended metal to aid in the arrest of the projectile, and the outside should be coated in an energy ablative ceramic (like that used in the staff-proofed vests or Anubis soldier suits) so that the projectile penetrates shields. Some Nagahdria could be added to further enhance the yield. The result: rapid-fire, shield penetrating, instant death.

              Shield Penetrating Projectiles
              Coat normal rail gun projectiles with shield penetrating ceramics, then slice-and-dice, selectively disabling enemy systems, right through their shields (until their shield generators get destroyed).

              Hyper-Leap Naqahdria Missile
              This is basically an X-302, but stripped down to the hyper drive, inertial dampeners, and Naqahdria reactor, and then repackaged into a missile. The idea is very simple, and almost already used in the series. The missile launches, acquires the target, and effects a hyperspace jump into the target, where the Nagahdria reactor overloads. Shields are meaningless.

              Hyperspace Rail Cannon
              A large, Naqahdah-enhanced nuclear device (1 GTon yield) is fired from a large rail gun, however; the projectile is fired into hyperspace, and programmed to explode in hyperspace in the real-space vacinity of the target, causing havoc.

              Leap Rail Cannon
              The projectile is composed of a Naqahdria reactor and a hyperspace drive coil. The reactor is activated and used to power up the drive coil before the projectile is launched. On launch, the projectile is fired into hyperspace (initial stable window created from the ship's power), and programmed to overload into the drive coil once it reaches the target location. The result: a highly unstable hyperspace window centered on the target, spewing forth a Naqahdria reactor overload.

              Energy Ablative Hull Plating
              Coat the ship in energy ablative materials, similar to those used in the Anubis soldier suits. Simple, energy weapons which penetrate the shields are harmlessly dispersed across the hull.

              Drone Replacement
              Miniaturize the anti-inertia drives in the X-302, and put them in a missile with a small Naqahdah reactor (or a large capacitor), and a small shield generator. The reactor powers the anti-inertia coils and shield, giving the missile increased speed, maneuverability, and possible shield/hull penetrating ability. The reactor (or battery) expends the rest of its energy explosively on impact.

              ZPM Recharging Station
              A ZPM functions by releasing energy from a sub-space domain. All ZPMs have similar initial energy stores, which indicates they were uniformly manufactured and charged with energy (like batteries), instead of being an exploratory device, like an oil well. To recharge, energy just needs to be added back into the sub-space domain which the ZPM accessed. This can be done by using a stargate as a valve/door, and a shield as a funnel. The source of energy, one of those great big burning balls of hydrogen, which seem to be rather common.

              Anyway, just a few toys I'm sure we could figure out pretty darned fast, after exposure to the things that have come through the stargate.
              Some pretty good idea there. But yeah, there wouldn't be a show if we had that.

              I was also thinking of something like this after watching "Off the Grid" last night.

              How about we take a missile, any missile, can even be a nuke. And strap a remote-controlled hyperdrive on it. The all we have to do is get the missile to emerge from hyperspace INSIDE the shields and kill they major systems.
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                #8
                lol wed have blown up the universe by lunch if we had that kinda of tech that or got smited by the ancients after we took out the milkyway.
                I agree we need some better weapons but i want to c some earth made ones not just taking thoes crap gou'ald ship to ship weapons and painting property of the us airforce on the sized and mounting them our ships.

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                  #9
                  I think part of the problem about strapping on things like staff cannons and using inertial drives is the understanding and manufacturing of such stuff. Remember now, Earths development capabilities are severely restricted because the SG program isnt revealed to everyone so they have to work slowly and secretly.

                  Also Staff cannons on ships...well its possible that while an understanding of its abilities is known, the capability of manufacturing is not known. So would you want something that you can make and replace or something thats not yours and everytime its broken had to find it from somewhere else?


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                    #10
                    THere are some good ideas here, but some are slightly problematic. E.g. Shield defeating ceramics are not in existence (Ceramics are used against huamn armor types). The best method of defeating a shield(through penetration) is to use a projectile weapon that is thin enough to penetrate it, or a thin, slow nuke that can pass through a shield Just like a knife.
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                      #11
                      Or they could just use my Ogre Slaying Knife.












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                        #12
                        While I agree that the earth forces should have energy weapons by now either goa'uld or asgard, I would like to make a correction on your railgun specs. Railguns use non explosive projectiles the U.S. Army prototype at Aberdeen Proving Grounds basically uses a large aluminum dart. The projectile is launched by electromagnetic levitation along a track it is the same technology used in bullet trains. THe main drawback no matter how fast it goes is that it is simply a prjectile and eventually they will find an alloy to use as armor against it (i.e.) the odysee not damageing baal's mothership.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ancientaction
                          its kinda like i said in another thread, the tech is there, they should just use the old Staff type weapons that the systemlords used on there capital class vessels. they could strap them the the hull of an earth ship and bam, youve got a weapon that does better damange.
                          I totally agree. Between the Tok'ra and the Free Jaffa Earth should definitely have some Ha'tak weapons. Everytime railguns are used against another races ships, railguns do little to no damage. The Goa'uld dominated the Milky Way at one point in time so it would be a good idea to use their weapons until Earth can come up with something better or the Asgard give us something.

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                            #14
                            I don't think the ancients would care, with thier whole non intervention philosophy. They are perfectly happy to allow the goa'uld, ori, and wraith to run amok throughout the universe.
                            Now would you kindly get out of your god's face.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Magic_Pumpkin
                              After reading several posts about how the Daedalus lacks good weapons, I thought it was time to provide the solutions. Designs for modern weapons modified with SG tech to create bad *ss weapons that would 1 shot kill a hive ship, Ha'tak, or even an Ori ship. Oh, and some other fun toys as well.

                              Naqahdah Enhanced Nuclear Rail Gun
                              This is a modification of the "Little Boy" uranium bomb, where a super-critical mass is separated into two pieces. One piece acts as a target, while the other piece is shot into it down a barrel. The required velocity is something like 3,000 feet per second (roughly Mach 2). Normally, a high explosive is required to propel the pieces together. The Daedalus's railguns already reach speeds of Mach 5, so all that needs to happen is that the front of the projectile (with one half) stops, while inertia carries the other half (in the rear) into it, creating a super-critical mass. We make the barrel out of a strong Trinium-Naqahdah alloy to avoid deformation, and provide a boost to the nuclear explosion. The middle casing should be made of blended metal to aid in the arrest of the projectile, and the outside should be coated in an energy ablative ceramic (like that used in the staff-proofed vests or Anubis soldier suits) so that the projectile penetrates shields. Some Nagahdria could be added to further enhance the yield. The result: rapid-fire, shield penetrating, instant death.

                              Shield Penetrating Projectiles
                              Coat normal rail gun projectiles with shield penetrating ceramics, then slice-and-dice, selectively disabling enemy systems, right through their shields (until their shield generators get destroyed).

                              Hyper-Leap Naqahdria Missile
                              This is basically an X-302, but stripped down to the hyper drive, inertial dampeners, and Naqahdria reactor, and then repackaged into a missile. The idea is very simple, and almost already used in the series. The missile launches, acquires the target, and effects a hyperspace jump into the target, where the Nagahdria reactor overloads. Shields are meaningless.

                              Hyperspace Rail Cannon
                              A large, Naqahdah-enhanced nuclear device (1 GTon yield) is fired from a large rail gun, however; the projectile is fired into hyperspace, and programmed to explode in hyperspace in the real-space vacinity of the target, causing havoc.

                              Leap Rail Cannon
                              The projectile is composed of a Naqahdria reactor and a hyperspace drive coil. The reactor is activated and used to power up the drive coil before the projectile is launched. On launch, the projectile is fired into hyperspace (initial stable window created from the ship's power), and programmed to overload into the drive coil once it reaches the target location. The result: a highly unstable hyperspace window centered on the target, spewing forth a Naqahdria reactor overload.

                              Energy Ablative Hull Plating
                              Coat the ship in energy ablative materials, similar to those used in the Anubis soldier suits. Simple, energy weapons which penetrate the shields are harmlessly dispersed across the hull.

                              Drone Replacement
                              Miniaturize the anti-inertia drives in the X-302, and put them in a missile with a small Naqahdah reactor (or a large capacitor), and a small shield generator. The reactor powers the anti-inertia coils and shield, giving the missile increased speed, maneuverability, and possible shield/hull penetrating ability. The reactor (or battery) expends the rest of its energy explosively on impact.

                              ZPM Recharging Station
                              A ZPM functions by releasing energy from a sub-space domain. All ZPMs have similar initial energy stores, which indicates they were uniformly manufactured and charged with energy (like batteries), instead of being an exploratory device, like an oil well. To recharge, energy just needs to be added back into the sub-space domain which the ZPM accessed. This can be done by using a stargate as a valve/door, and a shield as a funnel. The source of energy, one of those great big burning balls of hydrogen, which seem to be rather common.

                              Anyway, just a few toys I'm sure we could figure out pretty darned fast, after exposure to the things that have come through the stargate.

                              Man you've really thought this through I like the Hyper-Leap Naqahdria Missile the best. Although the wraith don't have shields at least not in season 2 they do have all of those pesky ass darts protecting them and getting in the way of the Daedalus missiles. That Hyper leap idea would put a stop to that and render their jamming code useless. This actually sounds like this could be a future episode for SGA. The Daedalus is in a fire fight with little shield strength and Rodney gets the idea to have some of the Daedalus crew fly the 302's close to the hive ship and set a course headed straight for the Hive and program it to jump into Hyperspace right after the pilots are beamed back onto the Daedalus. The 302 would also be programmed to over load the second it came out of hyperspace.

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