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Amaunator
January 21st, 2006, 10:45 AM
This malevolent plan of pure evil has been building up for nine seasons now, it has only come to me just now what their plan was all along... The writers have even been hinting at it!

We know there was some sort of conflict between the Alterrans and the Ori. Here are the facts:


The Ancients left the galaxy and seeded life in the Milky Way. For what purpose? Why seed life? Hold on to your horses.
The Ancients don't care if we worship them or not.
Why leave behind a communication device to the Ori galaxy if all the Ancients have left?
The Asgard tried to entrap the replicators by use of a time dilation device and a black hole.
Atlantis has a device to capture lifeforms made out of energy.


Face it. They set us up. They set the Ori up. This is a brilliant plan, we could expect nothing less from the Gatebuilders.

First they seeded a galaxy full with life, knowing well that the Ori would just love to feed on the energy generated by a galaxy packed with humans worshipping them. Drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

Second they left a little device behind to contact the Ori. They know we're curious little buggers and have a knack for pushing buttons that we have no idea of what they do. We never saw it coming.

Then the Ori come and proceed to convert the galaxy. They don't even need ships, the Ancients left them a nice gigantic network of Stargates to use: hey guys, use this 8th chevron for intergalactic calls!

Once they're there busy sapping the "religious energy" they pull the trigger, the final step in their dastardly plot. They use the Milky Way as a giant mousetrap (or should I say... Oritrap?) and capture the ascended Ori in a device similar to the one found on Atlantis, only this time on the scale of a galaxy. They could then let the galaxy collapse into a blackhole and there'd be a whole lot less Ori to deal with...

If you knew the candlelight was fire, the meal was coo- OMFG THEY SET US UP THE BOMB!

Major_Griff
January 21st, 2006, 11:08 AM
Your scheme sounds interesting, but I doubt TPTB would use that. The Ancients are the squeaky clean good guys. But nice thinking.





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Blitz
January 21st, 2006, 11:12 AM
HEHEHEHEHE

I love it :cameron: :cameron: :cameron:

AKnightWhoSaysNi
January 21st, 2006, 11:15 AM
THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!!!

I would actually laugh if just as the ori enter our galaxy it blips out of existance along with them!!!

Magneto
January 21st, 2006, 11:19 AM
Cool idea, i like it but not that we could be pawns in the ancients plan lol.

Blitz
January 21st, 2006, 11:25 AM
Cool idea, i like it but not that we could be pawns in the ancients plan lol.

of course because were the mighty human race, we cant be pawns or toys to someone else....god how could anyone think that.

GOD i am cynical right now, so no offense

RoMUS
January 21st, 2006, 11:32 AM
This malevolent plan of pure evil has been building up for nine seasons now, it has only come to me just now what their plan was all along... The writers have even been hinting at it!

We know there was some sort of conflict between the Alterrans and the Ori. Here are the facts:


The Ancients left the galaxy and seeded life in the Milky Way. For what purpose? Why seed life? Hold on to your horses.
The Ancients don't care if we worship them or not.
Why leave behind a communication device to the Ori galaxy if all the Ancients have left?
The Asgard tried to entrap the replicators by use of a time dilation device and a black hole.
Atlantis has a device to capture lifeforms made out of energy.


Face it. They set us up. They set the Ori up. This is a brilliant plan, we could expect nothing less from the Gatebuilders.

First they seeded a galaxy full with life, knowing well that the Ori would just love to feed on the energy generated by a galaxy packed with humans worshipping them. Drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

Second they left a little device behind to contact the Ori. They know we're curious little buggers and have a knack for pushing buttons that we have no idea of what they do. We never saw it coming.

Then the Ori come and proceed to convert the galaxy. They don't even need ships, the Ancients left them a nice gigantic network of Stargates to use: hey guys, use this 8th chevron for intergalactic calls!

Once they're there busy sapping the "religious energy" they pull the trigger, the final step in their dastardly plot. They use the Milky Way as a giant mousetrap (or should I say... Oritrap?) and capture the ascended Ori in a device similar to the one found on Atlantis, only this time on the scale of a galaxy. They could then let the galaxy collapse into a blackhole and there'd be a whole lot less Ori to deal with...

If you knew the candlelight was fire, the meal was coo- OMFG THEY SET US UP THE BOMB!
If they set us up why would they of ascended when they can get cought in the traps themselfs?and why would orlin/oma try to help us?why leave for another galaxy and get a** kicked then not use there ascended powers to wipeout the wraith if they are evil?

Magneto
January 21st, 2006, 11:33 AM
of course because were the mighty human race, we cant be pawns or toys to someone else....god how could anyone think that.

GOD i am cynical right now, so no offense

Well yeah, ok?

AscendedWarrior
January 21st, 2006, 11:35 AM
I don't believe the ancients would do that. But when i read it i thougt maybe we could use the energy trapping device to capture the Orii, all we have to do is build a bigger one or alot of them, and then throw them into a black hole.

The Signal
January 21st, 2006, 11:50 AM
I like the idea, but then i have a thing against our allies, the Tok'ra: Dont trust them, The Nox: Nobody is that good, The Tollan: Stuck up [insert profanity here :D] The Asgard: Im convinced they are testing us for something.

Anyway, ok so hate most of the good guys in stargate, but i like the ancients/alterrans/ascendants and i dont think they did it.
They left the device, possibly as they left in a hurry.
They seeded life, but only because there was a plague that wiped out the life that was already there (a lot of people seem to forget that) perhaps they brought the plague with them.
The Asgard clearly severed ties with the ancients long ago, so no link there

Bam
January 21st, 2006, 12:27 PM
If you knew the candlelight was fire, the meal was coo- OMFG THEY SET US UP THE BOMB!
All their base are belong to Ancients.

Interesting scenario. I don't doubt that the Ancients have some secrets, but I don't believe that they'd create all this life just as a trap.

creed462
January 24th, 2006, 07:41 PM
Nope, If that was the case they would have sprang the trap much sooner
My thought that merlin wasn't thinking when he left the device, or they never thought the ori would become so vile.

Darkstar
January 25th, 2006, 05:05 AM
the Ori know more about humans and the Ancients than they have let on, The Ancients overlooked that the Ori would invade and become how they are TBH they each know more than they have let on and the tip of the ice burg is all that has been shown.

Mattathias2.0
January 25th, 2006, 01:46 PM
I don't believe the ancients would do that. But when i read it i thougt maybe we could use the energy trapping device to capture the Orii, all we have to do is build a bigger one or alot of them, and then throw them into a black hole.

Would they end up in Janet/Martouf AU or BlackSG-1's? :p

Mattathias

Wraith_Hunter
January 25th, 2006, 02:30 PM
This malevolent plan of pure evil has been building up for nine seasons now, it has only come to me just now what their plan was all along... The writers have even been hinting at it!

We know there was some sort of conflict between the Alterrans and the Ori. Here are the facts:


The Ancients left the galaxy and seeded life in the Milky Way. For what purpose? Why seed life? Hold on to your horses.
The Ancients don't care if we worship them or not.
Why leave behind a communication device to the Ori galaxy if all the Ancients have left?
The Asgard tried to entrap the replicators by use of a time dilation device and a black hole.
Atlantis has a device to capture lifeforms made out of energy.


Face it. They set us up. They set the Ori up. This is a brilliant plan, we could expect nothing less from the Gatebuilders.

First they seeded a galaxy full with life, knowing well that the Ori would just love to feed on the energy generated by a galaxy packed with humans worshipping them. Drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

Second they left a little device behind to contact the Ori. They know we're curious little buggers and have a knack for pushing buttons that we have no idea of what they do. We never saw it coming.

Then the Ori come and proceed to convert the galaxy. They don't even need ships, the Ancients left them a nice gigantic network of Stargates to use: hey guys, use this 8th chevron for intergalactic calls!

Once they're there busy sapping the "religious energy" they pull the trigger, the final step in their dastardly plot. They use the Milky Way as a giant mousetrap (or should I say... Oritrap?) and capture the ascended Ori in a device similar to the one found on Atlantis, only this time on the scale of a galaxy. They could then let the galaxy collapse into a blackhole and there'd be a whole lot less Ori to deal with...

If you knew the candlelight was fire, the meal was coo- OMFG THEY SET US UP THE BOMB!


First, Why would the ancients need the Ori to come to this galaxy & convert a whole new galaxy to 'Origin'. That simply gives the Ori more power. Besided the Ancients wouldn't nned to wait, if they wanted them, then what was stopping them from going back to their own galaxy & getting them then.

They have been in this galaxy for over 50 million years. Yet we are supposdely led to belive that they seeded life for humans to be targeted by the Ori. Just so the ancients can wipe them out. Despite the fact that it's already been established as FACT in the show that the Alterrans who ascended actually shielded this galaxy from the Ori. So isn't that the biggest plot hole of all time. To establish a fact in the show of them actually protecting & shielding the MW from the Ori. Only for in fact the ancients to have guessed that we would have Asgard sensors one day & to look in a place that was hidden. Figure out & complete dangerous tests & trials. Then to use a machine of which they didn't even know how to operate it. (The stones weren't with it. (BTW. So they also supposedly knew that they would get their hands on these two stones & place them in it at the same time.)

As above, the whole cavern was shielded, which regular human sensors couldn't even detect. Only Asgard sensors could! That along with the fact that the tablet wasn't even found on Earth, it also wasn't complete enough to reveal the exactwhereabouts of it. DJ only took a wild gues because of the list of returning Ancients from Pegasus. How is that to be explained, since the MW ancients died out first. They had a time machine & would figure on their Pegasus brother being totally asskicked by the Wraith & returning, then all the other events transpiring to cathc the Ori. Despite the huge fact that the Ori CANNOT directly come into the galaxy themselves without suffering the ancients wrath. So they are sending followers & worshippers through instead to do their dirty work for them. If they wanted to wipe out the Ori, then what's stopping them from doing it back in the Ori home galaxy. They wouldn't risk the Ori getting a whole new galaxy of followers to suck power from & makew them much stronger if they were planning on killing them. There were lots of test to prove their worthiness before the treasure was revealed to them. Again as above, the stones weren't with it & so couldn't be used without them.

Then there is all the stuff about Asgards & black holes. Which although the Ori aren't even in this galaxy & the war will be fought by their followers, collapsing a balck hole would kill an ascended being. Just like it did Vala when she got sucked back through one. :mckay:

I could live with this idea, if I pretend I was dumb, deaf & blind. This so called 'theory' of yours has no evidence whatsoever to back it up, other than totally unrealistic wild accusations.

Sorry but this is the worst idea that I have ever read on behalf of Stargate plot developments. Simply because it has so many that would span the length of the galaxy they are so wide. I can't even type any more because reading this has hurt my head so much. I need to go lie down for a month to recover my senses, at least what's left of them after having tried to make sense of all of that. :(

plaw15
January 25th, 2006, 09:37 PM
That's a cool theory but I don't think writers will do it like that.

MarshAngel
January 26th, 2006, 07:22 AM
That's a cool theory but I don't think writers will do it like that.
Agreed. As much as I enjoyed reading that theory I don't think we're headed that route.

This isn't certain or clear but I was under the impression that the Ori ascended and started their life sucking after the Ancients ran away so if the ancients came up with the plot it would have to be after they'd seeded life, begun to ascend in the milky way and discovered what the Ori were up to on the ascended plane. In which case some ascended person would need to return to tell the others what was going on to set the trap which would make them liars since they claim a policy of non-interference.

But ignoring anything that contradicts this idea for a moment, the main problem would be that the destruction of the Milky Way would end or at least make a major mess for any future series/movies possibilities. It's bad for business.

creed462
January 26th, 2006, 12:03 PM
Also Orin gave up his idenity to try to stop the Ori.

knowles2
January 28th, 2006, 07:02 AM
Now that would be a billiant twist in the story. But I doubt the writer and producers would have the guts to do a story like that.

Metonic
February 5th, 2006, 08:25 PM
its TRUE ives seen it with my own eyes..


LOL GOOD POST its possible.. that be one hell of a twist

thenimf
February 5th, 2006, 11:30 PM
I've actually had this theory for a while. Think about it.

1. Goa'uld domination
2. O'ri hate
3. Wraith wars

What if the Ancients are a bunch of megalomaniac nutters who thrive on chaos and destruction?

nodrog
February 5th, 2006, 11:48 PM
I thought the Ancients and the Ori were the same, the only difference was that the Ancients were the ascended ones that didn't want to abuse their powers while the ori did.

I mean let's face it no all Ancients were all heavenly goody goodies.