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    #16
    Originally posted by Major Fischer
    Does that mean if someone went 'splat' against the Atlantis shield that you'd see it, because they're rematerialized against it?
    No. Nothing can reform when the shield is up. Not even the vortex. When the Atlantis Iris is active, the Kawoosh can't form. All you see when something impacts it is a bright flash of light, which is the shield flaring up, as all shields do when you poke them.
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      #17
      Originally posted by Mio
      No. Nothing can reform when the shield is up. Not even the vortex. When the Atlantis Iris is active, the Kawoosh can't form. All you see when something impacts it is a bright flash of light, which is the shield flaring up, as all shields do when you poke them.
      That makes sense. I had this mental image of bloody goo that slid to the floor in a bloody mess when the shield was disenaged. Picturing Weir going, "Maintance to the gate room for a wet spill..."


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        #18
        Originally posted by Major Fischer
        That makes sense. I had this mental image of bloody goo that slid to the floor in a bloody mess when the shield was disenaged. Picturing Weir going, "Maintance to the gate room for a wet spill..."
        Nope. Molecules just can't form! And who knows, The Atlantis gate iris might even be closer than our iris, making it so that a Sokar-esque attempt to get through would fail. Also, Tollan phase shift might not work
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          #19
          Originally posted by Mio
          Nope. Molecules just can't form! And who knows, The Atlantis gate iris might even be closer than our iris, making it so that a Sokar-esque attempt to get through would fail. Also, Tollan phase shift might not work
          Awh, there goes thoughts about icky special effects.


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            #20
            Originally posted by Major Fischer
            Awh, there goes thoughts about icky special effects.
            Sorry.
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              #21
              Originally posted by Mio
              No. Nothing can reform when the shield is up. Not even the vortex. When the Atlantis Iris is active, the Kawoosh can't form. All you see when something impacts it is a bright flash of light, which is the shield flaring up, as all shields do when you poke them.
              Yeah, but that's an energy shield, vs. the SGC's solid-matter iris.

              I just don't see any reason why the iris isn't vaporized every time the whoosh happens while it's closed.
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                #22
                Originally posted by DigiFluid
                Yeah, but that's an energy shield, vs. the SGC's solid-matter iris.

                I just don't see any reason why the iris isn't vaporized every time the whoosh happens while it's closed.
                The kawoosh can't form.
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                  #23
                  You're missing my point.

                  They've specifically said that the unstable wormhole 'whoosh' disintegrates any matter that's unfortunate enough to be in the way at the time. The iris is matter. The Atlantis barrier is energy (ie, non-matter).
                  "A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life

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                    #24
                    Again, the iris is so close the kaswoosh can't form.

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                      #25
                      And therein lies the problem. Why not? There's a few microns of space between the iris and the event horizon, so there's ample space for the process to happen.
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by DigiFluid
                        And therein lies the problem. Why not? There's a few microns of space between the iris and the event horizon, so there's ample space for the process to happen.
                        How do you know there is ample space for that to happen?


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                          #27
                          Presumably, reactions at the subatomic and/or extradimensional levels require little to no space to occur
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by DigiFluid
                            Presumably, reactions at the subatomic and/or extradimensional levels require little to no space to occur
                            Presumably, but Carter says otherwise in The Enemy Within when the Iris is first discussed. I think you are assuming too much about physics that does not exist in the real world, and chosing to ignore the rules that they give in the series.


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                              #29
                              Originally posted by DigiFluid
                              And therein lies the problem. Why not? There's a few microns of space between the iris and the event horizon, so there's ample space for the process to happen.
                              Transcripts rock. This is from 'A hundred days'

                              HAMMOND: Wormhole physics, a field, Major, that you pioneered, states that under these conditions, ordinary matter won’t even reintegrate on the other side. There’s no way to overcome that.

                              CARTER: I think there is, Sir. And I’m not the one who thought of it. SOKAR did.

                              HAMMOND: SOKAR?

                              CARTER: Yes, Sir. When he tried to breach the iris by bombarding it with a particle beam. Sub-atomic particles barely small enough to reintegrate produced energy as they decayed.

                              HAMMOND: Which caused the iris to heat up.

                              CARTER: Exactly. Now, if we could do the same thing we could melt the hardened naquada barrier just above the event horizon and create a pocket of superheated gas.

                              HAMMOND: And then what?

                              CARTER: Well, then all we have to do is open the Gate again, Sir. The unstable vortex it normally generates would then be allowed to expand into that pocket and create an even larger cavern. One person might be able to go through, Sir, and dig it out.

                              Note the last line. You need a big enough gap for an unstable vortex to form.
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Major Fischer
                                Awh, there goes thoughts about icky special effects.
                                actually, even if some atoms could reform between the event horizon and the sheild, keep in mind that more then 1 bilion atoms are needed to make 1 single cell, let alone a group of cells large enough to bee seen by a naked eye

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