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January 2nd, 2006, 06:25 PM
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keppiezbt
February 24th, 2006, 04:45 PM
some post a summary!

Seshat
February 24th, 2006, 04:46 PM
some post a summary!
It's not over yet, silly! :P

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 04:47 PM
it's still on :)

for the time being i just gotta say

merlin ws not only capable of creating deux ex machina, he was also psychic

cause the gate address to the home of the weapon that will destroy ancient beings came complete with earth's point of origin :)

oh and the mccullough/deluise 'obnoxious cameron' trend continues.
he's not as bad has he's been in the past, but he does seriously need some ritalyn :)

keppiezbt
February 24th, 2006, 04:51 PM
well now that it is over, i feel someone should post a summary since i wont get to see it....and im eager to hear about it

Seshat
February 24th, 2006, 04:52 PM
well now that it is over, i feel someone should post a summary since i wont get to see it....and im eager to hear about it
(wonders if you have a working clock)

I am watching the last two minutes NOW. :P

Red Tigress
February 24th, 2006, 04:57 PM
A bit of an abrupt ending. But I liked when Teal'c tried to hit Mitchell, lol.

Quinn Mallory
February 24th, 2006, 04:57 PM
Interesting episode in its implication (Merlins invented a weapon that can kill the ascended).

The actual episode has some old stuff (Carter and Mitchell being trapped in a different phase). Dr. Lee accidentally send Daniel to the other phase as well but then Daniel was able to translate the ancient device and save the day (while almost killing Mitchell who went AWOL to save Teal'c).

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
February 24th, 2006, 04:59 PM
Interesting ep. I give it a **1/2 or a ***.

I can't wait till next weeks episode, the trailer for it looked good

captainpash
February 24th, 2006, 04:59 PM
it's still on :)

for the time being i just gotta say

merlin ws not only capable of creating deux ex machina, he was also psychic

cause the gate address to the home of the weapon that will destroy ancient beings came complete with earth's point of origin :)

oh and the mccullough/deluise 'obnoxious cameron' trend continues.
he's not as bad has he's been in the past, but he does seriously need some ritalyn :)
Skydiver he also left from earth, and left the thing on earth. He wasn't a physic he just used the earth point of orign because he was on the planet, and so was his tech for the most part.

Anyways this gets 4/5. It was great, but no emotion after killing his friend. Also Vala is back new week .

vandred
February 24th, 2006, 05:00 PM
yoooooooooooo nevermind the episode wat about the peek for next weeks episode u saw the ori ships and the giant stargate damnnnnnnnnn we need screen caps and stuff

Quinn Mallory
February 24th, 2006, 05:00 PM
While this is probably more of a team episode, we don't really see the entire team working together since Teal'c was on his own for the most part before Mitchell decided to go help him while being out of phase.

I thought Carter would've used the ancient device to communicate to Daniel better (yeah, Daniel had a line that said that they shouldn't mess with the keyboard too much but with just two buttons, one can communicate via Morse code).

Some more good Mitchell and Teal'c moments.

Another bit of negativity: the Sodon storyline seemed to be thrown away a bit too quickly. However, I guess the show might be going in another direction yet again so maybe there is just no future in the Sodon, so why not burn it here.

Quinn Mallory
February 24th, 2006, 05:03 PM
It was great, but no emotion after killing his friend.

The guy who went crazy wasn't Mitchell's friend but the brother of Mitchell's friend. Mitchell's friend was among the ones who got killed by the renegade Sodon warrior.

Next week's episode definitely looks quite exciting (and hopefully there will be some resolution before the end of the season).

MarshAngel
February 24th, 2006, 05:04 PM
it's still on :)

for the time being i just gotta say

merlin ws not only capable of creating deux ex machina, he was also psychic

cause the gate address to the home of the weapon that will destroy ancient beings came complete with earth's point of origin :)

oh and the mccullough/deluise 'obnoxious cameron' trend continues.
he's not as bad has he's been in the past, but he does seriously need some ritalyn :)

Agree Completely.

Cam needs to calm down. I've never seen someone so happy to be in mortal danger. Wasn't Volnek a friend of his of sorts? It doesn't bother him to have to blow the crap out of him? And why is he always running off on his own as if he didn't have problems of his own to deal with. I know it's convenient for the plot but enough already.

Deux ex Machina indeed. The convenience factor is extremely high.
Going with the idea that the whole Vala and Daniel discovering the Ori was an accident, Merlin just happened to have developed this specific tech that they just happen to need, was bright enough to see that they would come across his research, it would just happen to be on Earth where they could run across it.... I can't bother.

The better question is, if Arthur is ascended then either the ancients knocked him off when they found out about his research or they forgot or he just happened to be done with his research and left it laying around for us to find?
wow i am confused.

It's a good thing I'm easily amused.

NakedJehutyV2
February 24th, 2006, 05:04 PM
crusade is gonna OWN SON!!!!!


anyone see the previews? ori ships lighting up! supergate and the ships coming through!!! VALA!!!!


ok now they showed how alterran/sodan cloaks work (alt dimension sort of).

weapon that can own ascended beings. hope the ori don't find it first and use it on alterrans. bet they'll punish merlin now lol. bet they'll intervene now eh?

SierraGulf1
February 24th, 2006, 05:04 PM
A pretty good episode. The ending was a bit abrupt and unbelievable that Mitchell would grab the chip, but it really isn't that important.

I'm not sure how the Sodan cloak allowed one to see a Arthur's Cloak user, but perhaps that will be explained in the future. I hope this device Merlin invented is either destroyed or has more to it then just flipping on and blowing stuff up.

keppiezbt
February 24th, 2006, 05:05 PM
whats the deal with this thing that kills ascended beings? how does that work

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 05:05 PM
Okay. Alan McCullough wrote this, right? I am starting to see he likes writing Mitchell a certain kind of way.

I thought we'd get an Ori free episode, but at least there wasn't nothing said about them saying anything. I'm fine as long as they don't do the whole message, twisted version of Biblical thing. But, what is this with nasty stuff coming out of people's mouths? I'm used to having to cover my eyes and go, "Ew! Ew!" with CSI and ER when I watched, but not Stargate.

Daniel looking through texts is a sight I never tire of. Also was cute the way he can't help being in teacher mode. "Myrrdian, who we better as?" Pause, waiting for Landry to answer.

An Ancient weapon? Can we find it like, next episode and kill the Ori now? Or, at least render them silent?

Hmm, was Bill Lee always so goofy?

Will have more to say after reading other responses.

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 05:06 PM
ok, cam comes in, sam's working has been all night
she's playing with one of the toys they found in merlin's cave
she has a breakthrough, does something and whammo theyu're out of phase

commercial

no biggie, they'll just find daniel and he'll see them and they'll fix it, cept daniel can't see them

meanwhile, teal'c gets word the the sodan are under attack and goes off to check it out

sam and cam wander around, they're stuck, can't eat or interact....but still dont' fall through the floor :)

eventually security tapes show what happened and dr lee is on the case....and he's watched 'honey i shrunk the kids' too many times and thinks they've been miniaturized

eventually they realize that theyu're out of phase. now sam and cam have a nice display from the device...but it's in ancient and neither of them speak it

they manage a kind of yes and no communication with daniel and work to translate.

meanwhile teal'c is in trouble and overdue so mitch just HAS to go rescue him. it's ok, he's out of phase and can't be hurt

dr lee is his normal efficient self and whammo, daniel is out of phase too. but at least the translations will go faster now

he and sam find out that the device is arthur's mantle and that arthur was working on a weapon, something so important that he descended to work on it....a way to kill ascended beings (gee, three guesses what this is for????? the season is almost over and they do need a plot device to get rid of those pesky ori)

daniel also finds out how to get back, despite the fact that lee messes up and drains most of hte machine's power - have to have that happen, can't have the sgc having access to merlin's notes after all

teal'c is still on the planet, and is cut off. the whole sodan village has been creamed by.....wait for it......a ZOMBIE! yes, one of the sodan fell afoul of the priors and got zombieized and killed most of his people

cam, of course, is off world and sam and daniel, who have figured out how to reverse it, have no idea if it'll fix cam or not

it does...just in time to put him in peril

and we end with a nice teal'c/cam bonding moment and the promise that we have our deus ex machina to fix the baddies

---

all in all, it's not too bad. it did have some fun moments and i laughed. there were several glitches. like sg-12 wearing desert boots with their green camos, earth's PoO on the address to teh location of the super weapon, lee draining the device to keep us from knowing more and other bits of clumsy writing. cam also is like mckay and massively food obsessed

homages included crystal skull, WoO and rod's food obsession

mccullough and peter do keep up the obnoxious cam like i said above. it did work a bit better since he's only acting like a moron with sam, but still it's a bit trying (oh, and another cam/jonas similarity, he's read and memorized every single sg1 mission report)

enjoyable and a decent way to kill an hour...but ultimately it's nothing more than filler and set up for the finale

keppiezbt
February 24th, 2006, 05:11 PM
ok, cam comes in, sam's working has been all night
she's playing with one of the toys they found in merlin's cave
she has a breakthrough, does something and whammo theyu're out of phase

commercial

no biggie, they'll just find daniel and he'll see them and they'll fix it, cept daniel can't see them

meanwhile, teal'c gets word the the sodan are under attack and goes off to check it out

sam and cam wander around, they're stuck, can't eat or interact....but still dont' fall through the floor :)

eventually security tapes show what happened and dr lee is on the case....and he's watched 'honey i shrunk the kids' too many times and thinks they've been miniaturized

eventually they realize that theyu're out of phase. now sam and cam have a nice display from the device...but it's in ancient and neither of them speak it

they manage a kind of yes and no communication with daniel and work to translate.

meanwhile teal'c is in trouble and overdue so mitch just HAS to go rescue him. it's ok, he's out of phase and can't be hurt

dr lee is his normal efficient self and whammo, daniel is out of phase too. but at least the translations will go faster now

he and sam find out that the device is arthur's mantle and that arthur was working on a weapon, something so important that he descended to work on it....a way to kill ascended beings (gee, three guesses what this is for????? the season is almost over and they do need a plot device to get rid of those pesky ori)

daniel also finds out how to get back, despite the fact that lee messes up and drains most of hte machine's power - have to have that happen, can't have the sgc having access to merlin's notes after all

teal'c is still on the planet, and is cut off. the whole sodan village has been creamed by.....wait for it......a ZOMBIE! yes, one of the sodan fell afoul of the priors and got zombieized and killed most of his people

cam, of course, is off world and sam and daniel, who have figured out how to reverse it, have no idea if it'll fix cam or not

it does...just in time to put him in peril

and we end with a nice teal'c/cam bonding moment and the promise that we have our deus ex machina to fix the baddies

---

all in all, it's not too bad. it did have some fun moments and i laughed. there were several glitches. like sg-12 wearing desert boots with their green camos, earth's PoO on the address to teh location of the super weapon, lee draining the device to keep us from knowing more and other bits of clumsy writing. cam also is like mckay and massively food obsessed

homages included crystal skull, WoO and rod's food obsession

mccullough and peter do keep up the obnoxious cam like i said above. it did work a bit better since he's only acting like a moron with sam, but still it's a bit trying (oh, and another cam/jonas similarity, he's read and memorized every single sg1 mission report)

enjoyable and a decent way to kill an hour...but ultimately it's nothing more than filler and set up for the finale

question: do we just now find out arthur was an ascended being? if arthur was working on this why do we need merlins notes?

and ur right they do need a plot device to kill the ori b/c really with the way they have it unless we found ancient tech to kill all ori worshippers or the ancients got involved, we basically cannot win.

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 05:12 PM
and we end with a nice teal'c/cam bonding moment and the promise that we have our deus ex machina to fix the baddies

Good!



homages included crystal skull, WoO and rod's food obsession

Okay, Crystal Skull obvious. What homage to WoO, who's Rod, and what food obsession? Mitchell wanting breakfast? But, who's Rod?

keppiezbt
February 24th, 2006, 05:12 PM
oo and another thing, personally i would like to have seen a war betweent the ascended beings


i thin kthat would have been something much much cooler. something like they had in babylon 5 between the vorlons and the shadows.

a weapon is way to convient and makes the end way to aburpt

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 05:12 PM
Deux ex Machina indeed. The convenience factor is extremely high.
It's a good thing I'm easily amused.

oh yeah. convenience is the name of the game.

too many things fell into place too neatly

it was almsot like it hit them 'oh crud, the season is over in 2 more eps and we don't have anything in place to set things up for the finale...ok, let's cram all the playing pieces in one episode, no one will ever notice'

it was fun to watch...it just didn't strain your comprehension too much.

lately, stargate is less 'how are they going to get out of this' and more 'ok, how soon will they put the candlestick in the parlor so captain mustard can solve the problem'

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 05:15 PM
Good!




Okay, Crystal Skull obvious. What homage to WoO, who's Rod, and what food obsession? Mitchell wanting breakfast? But, who's Rod?


window of opportunity in daniel having to teach someone ancient or be the translator for something he can't see

and rod is rodney mckay, a character on atlantis who's obsessed with getting his three squares a day

vandred
February 24th, 2006, 05:16 PM
yooo the ships are cool like the round stuff that unamed showed us last week, i hope scifi.com puts the trailer tomorrow to see it again. SO the oddyssey is gonna be there and also the korolev i believe the russian ship is going to have the prometheus design because in the trailer they show a ship just like the promethues, but it could just be an old clip from the last time the giant stargate was shown

Dromag67
February 24th, 2006, 05:17 PM
I enjoyed it a lot.

Great seeing a semi-follow up to the crystal skull episode and the sodan was great.

Halarious when Daniel got pushed into the other dimension along with Sam and Cam.

Great moments in this one.

3/4 stars.

:cameron:

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 05:17 PM
question: do we just now find out arthur was an ascended being? if arthur was working on this why do we need merlins notes?

and ur right they do need a plot device to kill the ori b/c really with the way they have it unless we found ancient tech to kill all ori worshippers or the ancients got involved, we basically cannot win.
sorry, my bad, i meant merlin was the ancient

the invisible thingie is called arthur's mantle

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 05:19 PM
window of opportunity in daniel having to teach someone ancient or be the translator for something he can't see

and rod is rodney mckay, a character on atlantis who's obsessed with getting his three squares a day


Thanks.

Now, I missed a few minutes after the credits, so did they say why Teal'c was on the Sodan planet in the first place? Did they get word about what happened, and he and the other SGC members went there to check it out?

keppiezbt
February 24th, 2006, 05:20 PM
sorry, my bad, i meant merlin was the ancient

the invisible thingie is called arthur's mantle

wow the fact that an ascended ancient ascends then coems back to make a machine that can destory ascended beings is....just weird

i wonder how a machine like that is gonna work...be interesting to see how they write it

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 05:23 PM
Thanks.

Now, I missed a few minutes after the credits, so did they say why Teal'c was on the Sodan planet in the first place? Did they get word about what happened, and he and the other SGC members went there to check it out?
they got a radio message calling for help

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 05:24 PM
wow the fact that an ascended ancient ascends then coems back to make a machine that can destory ascended beings is....just weird

i wonder how a machine like that is gonna work...be interesting to see how they write it
yeah, it falls in with convenience

which is what you have to do when you create a super powerful unbeatable enemy...you have to then create the 'duh' way of defeating them to get yourself out of the corner you've written yourself into

Jarnin
February 24th, 2006, 05:25 PM
So we have another season based on the search for an ancient weapon that will destroy their enemies. This is the 3rd season finale in a row to use the same plot, and the fourth time they've used this plot in the last 3 years.

Season 7 finale was the search for the ancient weapon to destroy Anubis.
Season 7 midseason cliffhanger was based around the Kull warriors and the search for the ancient technology needed to destroy them.
Season 8 was the search for the ancient weapon to destroy the Replicators.
Now we have the search for the ancient weapon to destroy the Ori.

I really think it's funny that the writers revisited the "phasing protagonist" plot again, since they poked fun the concept in the episode "Wormhole X-Treme":

REESE: Uh, I'm having a little trouble with Scene 27. It says that I'm "out of phase" which means that I can pass my hand through solid matter, or I can walk through walls.

DIRECTOR: Yeah, yeah, that's right, because you're "out of phase."

MARTIN: Um, exactly.

REESE: So, how come I don't fall through the floor?

MARTIN: We're going to have to get back to you on that one.

REESE: Right.

Volnek turning into a zombie was both hilarious and sad; now the Ori can make Kull warriors!

I thought this episode was ok. A good team episode, but it seems like the writers are falling into a rut when it comes to inventing new problems for the team to encounter.

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Sadly, I did remember the whole "falling through the floor" conversation in Wormhole Excrutiating when Sam asked Mitchell to grab the coffee cup. Figured I'd get that, but not one referencing WoO.

keppiezbt
February 24th, 2006, 05:28 PM
yeah, it falls in with convenience

which is what you have to do when you create a super powerful unbeatable enemy...you have to then create the 'duh' way of defeating them to get yourself out of the corner you've written yourself into

pretty much...lets create an enemy sooo powerful only ascended beings could handle it..

oo crap now how do we do let the good guys win! i know instead of havign some cool finale battle between us vs them we will create some device that conviently gets rid of them.


and to the point made we always use ancient tech now to win..yeah that is getting cheesy and convienent.

i mean they def lost their touch this season.

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 05:31 PM
in many ways, the ori are like the borg

they were great enemies in small doses. but in a steady diet....well the trek folks beat the unbeatable so many times that it got old

again, this eps was enjoyable, but not becaue of the plot. the plot was paper thin. the only 'good' part for me were the character interactions

keppiezbt
February 24th, 2006, 05:35 PM
better way to end this whole ori thing:

**continue to look for ancient tech
we begin to find ancient tech that can destory the ori technology and give us a level playing field.
suddenly huge battles between us and them with our asgard buddies.
we arent getting anywhere and slowly losing
suddenly daniels ascends...
while there, we see oma who tells him that the ori are coming to wipe out the alterans
she tells him that not all ascended beings are alterans and though those would be spared they decided to fight with them
a big battle in the ascended realm is brewing
gives daniel some info that will give them an upper hand in the upcoming big attack
he goes what attack?
she says u will see and descends him
back on earth sam tells him that a huge fleet is coming to attack earth
all ships coming to aid....asgard, gould, etc but they dont think they can win
daniel gives them new knowledge that upgrades the ships

big battle happens during it all of a sudden ascdend beings start flying over the place...tis the ori! but ancients and friends come in and attack...cue cool visuals
in the end we win

thats how u end this....i mean this happens over like 4-5 episodes it would build suspense more and be less of a convient way to end the ori thing

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 05:40 PM
Character stuff was nice. Sam/Mitchell, Daniel/Sam, Teal'c/Mitchell.

Daniel had some odd "aw, shucks, 'tweren't nothin" expressions a few times, but nothing bad. Just, unusual. But, *fangirly Daniel fan squee* Daniel figured it out!

I guess it could be saying something that Teal'c didn't hesitate to backhand Mitchell, but I figured he just figured that Mitchell knew what he was talking about, since he just appeared out of nowhere.

Nice finishing scene between them.

warmbeachbrat
February 24th, 2006, 05:40 PM
pretty much...lets create an enemy sooo powerful only ascended beings could handle it..

oo crap now how do we do let the good guys win! i know instead of havign some cool finale battle between us vs them we will create some device that conviently gets rid of them.


and to the point made we always use ancient tech now to win..yeah that is getting cheesy and convienent.

i mean they def lost their touch this season.

I'm not so sure. Didn't they have some handy-dandy weapon that would destroy the Replicators? Yet they still caused massive trouble for a season or two (or three--I don't quite remember). Perhaps this super-duper new weapon won't work out quite like they think. It seems that happened a couple of times with the Goau'ld, too. It could be quite interesting.

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 05:46 PM
yep. and i'm sure in s10 something will happen to render the 'destroy teh ancients' weapon impotent, just like it did with jacks gun and replicarter

ShardsofGlass
February 24th, 2006, 05:50 PM
I laughed out loud when Sam and Mitchell poked each other to see if they were solid to each other -- not once but twice. LOL And then Sam and Daniel poke each other. LOL

This was another ep where they mixed a serious story with a comic story, and the results were a little better than they were for OTG. But I didn't like the way the ep ended without any acknowledgment of what the Sodan had just gone through. It ended on a comic note but I thought at some point Mitchell should be shown reacting to the deaths in the village. And do we know if Haikon actually survived or not?

Another funny part was the bodily function comment. And I also liked how both Mitchell and Sam would try to communicate with people on base but they'd exagerate or yell or something as if that would help. Loved the way Mitchell did the touchdown sign when Daniel figured otu they were still on teh base.

I'd say this was a somewhat uneven episode but it was a lot of fun.

Dana_Jeanne
February 24th, 2006, 05:52 PM
Two thumbs down and both feet. Stupid, ridiculous episode and someone please shoot Mitchell for me. Or stuff something in his impatient, know-it-all MOUTH.

Crsytal Skull did it first and much, much better.

Started out bad: previously on... was all Mitchell.

What's with Mr Rambo Teal'c and his two handed guns lately? And that sleeveless T-shirt has gotten really really really old.

There were bits I liked-- Daniel and Sam were adorable. Liked them trying to translate the ancient, one letter at a time.

For some reason they seem to be writing Bill Lee more and more inept which sucks.

I LOATHE Mitchell calling Daniel "Jackson."

Mitchell doesn't belong on SG-1 or even in the SGC. He's a hot-headed, arrogant twit who seems to think he's God's gift to the SGC. Don't like him. Get rid of him PLEASE.

I'm tired of seeing all our allies continually killed off. Not that I cared about the Sodan since I find the Jaffa stuff BORING, but still.

Next week's preview? I'm sure we can all be forgiven for thinking they're going to be showing FARGATE next friday night.

Pfffhtttt.

I'm so hanging on to this show by a CRACKING fingernail.

Dana Jeanne

Dromag67
February 24th, 2006, 06:00 PM
Two thumbs down and both feet. Stupid, ridiculous episode and someone please shoot Mitchell for me. Or stuff something in his impatient, know-it-all MOUTH.

Crsytal Skull did it first and much, much better.

Started out bad: previously on... was all Mitchell.

What's with Mr Rambo Teal'c and his two handed guns lately? And that sleeveless T-shirt has gotten really really really old.

There were bits I liked-- Daniel and Sam were adorable. Liked them trying to translate the ancient, one letter at a time.

For some reason they seem to be writing Bill Lee more and more inept which sucks.

I LOATHE Mitchell calling Daniel "Jackson."

Mitchell doesn't belong on SG-1 or even in the SGC. He's a hot-headed, arrogant twit who seems to think he's God's gift to the SGC. Don't like him. Get rid of him PLEASE.

I'm tired of seeing all our allies continually killed off. Not that I cared about the Sodan since I find the Jaffa stuff BORING, but still.

Next week's preview? I'm sure we can all be forgiven for thinking they're going to be showing FARGATE next friday night.

Pfffhtttt.

I'm so hanging on to this show by a CRACKING fingernail.

Dana Jeanne


Why bother holding on at all at that rate?

Daniel's_twin
February 24th, 2006, 06:01 PM
I loved it. It was teriffic from start to finish. From Mitchell's hankering for hash browns, to the explanation of alternate dimensions vs. alternate realities to Daniel getting stuck also to the final explosion.

I loved the parts where Daniel was working with Carter to tediously translate the Ancient writing one word at a time, especially when he was scanning with his finger and she wasn't even paying attention.

I thought the part with Mierden (Merlin) was rather eye-opening also. A weapon that can actually harm Ascended beings? That's big!

The part with the Sodan was creepy. From the second I saw the guy and heard him growling while in cloaked mode, I immediately thought "Telchak device". The fact that Priors now also have the ability to turn people into drooling zombies is something that I thought they couldn't make work. Well, they made it work!

I give this episode a 5 out of 5 stars. Perfectly setting up for the season finale. Can't wait until next week! :cool:

Erin
February 24th, 2006, 06:04 PM
Loved this episod!! 5 stars! It was one of those episodes I found myself laughing really hard. Especially the poking scenes haha.

The Teal'c stuff was awesome too and he usually bores me, but it went together well and he was kicking mikta.

Brad84cnc
February 24th, 2006, 06:11 PM
I posted some screen shots from the preview at the end in this post if anybody is interested.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=24761

TheAncient1
February 24th, 2006, 06:11 PM
I thought this was one of the best episodes so far. I enjoyed the alternate dimension thing.

I'd give this one 5 stars!

Daniel's_twin
February 24th, 2006, 06:13 PM
I posted some screen shots from the preview at the end in this post if anybody is interested.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=24761

Any chance of getting that fiery face? That was creepy. :cool:

Brad84cnc
February 24th, 2006, 06:14 PM
Any chance of getting that fiery face? That was creepy. :cool:

which face?

Daniel's_twin
February 24th, 2006, 06:15 PM
You didn't see it? It was right above Vala's bed. It showed a wide shot of Vala lying in a canopy bed with flames engulfing the canopy and then focused in on the flames, and a face appeared in them. :cool:

Brad84cnc
February 24th, 2006, 06:17 PM
my recording stop just before that. Sorry

Daniel's_twin
February 24th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Aw, nuts. Now I gotta wait until next week to see it again. :danielanime08: :cool:

Brad84cnc
February 24th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Aw, nuts. Now I gotta wait until next week to see it again. :danielanime08: :cool:

Sorry about that. I recently reinstalled everything on my computer and forgot to increase the recording time so i could get all of the preview at the end.

Solanalos
February 24th, 2006, 06:23 PM
Three things:

-Volnek...SCARY. I don't think I ever saw anything on Stargate that disturbed me. We saw the zombies before in South America, but seeing Volnek die in the bed foaming at the mouth and Teal'cs first encounter with him AAAAAAH.

-I wonder if the anti-kull warrior weapon will be effective if we had to fight a lot of these zombies. I can't imagine blowing them up to smithereens(sp?) is efficient if there is more than one of them

-Daniel at the end, when he said key combination, I chuckled thinking it was going to be like CONTROL+ALT+DELETE but on an Ancient device :p Too bad it was a few presses and not a three-at-once press.

Dana_Jeanne
February 24th, 2006, 06:24 PM
Why bother holding on at all at that rate?
Because I love Daniel more than I dislike what the show is turning into.
Dana Jeanne

Daniel's_twin
February 24th, 2006, 06:25 PM
Three things:

-Volnek...SCARY. I don't think I ever saw anything on Stargate that disturbed me. We saw the zombies before in South America, but seeing Volnek die in the bed foaming at the mouth and Teal'cs first encounter with him AAAAAAH.

-I wonder if the anti-kull warrior weapon will be effective if we had to fight a lot of these zombies. I can't imagine blowing them up to smithereens(sp?) is efficient if there is more than one of them

-Daniel at the end, when he said key combination, I chuckled thinking it was going to be like CONTROL+ALT+DELETE but on an Ancient device :p Too bad it was a few presses and not a three-at-once press.

I guess they had to keep some level of seriousness.

smitherines. :cool:

Cherriey
February 24th, 2006, 06:34 PM
They're gone now... obviously. Of course they weren't our gratest allies but it kind of feels like we got some awesome ninja-types (loosely) on our side and then lose then. *sigh* Such is the ups and downs of plot world. However their destruction (if the leader -name not remembered- is truly dead) leaves behind an interesting revelation in its wake.

Their cloaking technology (salvaged from the Ancient knowledge) has now been linked back to Merlin's device. Obviously the cloaked person is not fully in the alternate dimension otherwise they would not be able to interact with with this dimension physically. Are they perhaps only existing in this alternate dimension by an odd sort of light bending that is complicated enough to span two (maybe more) dimensions? Any thoughts on the functions and any future implications this might have for us? Perhaps the cloak can be used to read Merlin's device? Not wholly of course, just the page showing.

ping-pong
February 24th, 2006, 06:49 PM
I liked this episode. Enjoyed Sam and Cam invisible, then when Dr. Lee mistakenly made Daniel invisible. Hilarious.

All the characters (including Mitchell) was in excellent mode.

I enjoyed Teal'c's part with the Sodan (although I wished they would have written Teal'c's reaction to Sam, Cam and Daniel being invisible--that would've been hilarious).

And for the record, I don't get this 'Rambo Tealc' label. Teal'c has always been very handy as well as quick when it comes to weapons---NEVER hesitating to pull the trigger when he has to. Whether it's with a staff weapon or p-90's etc. I mean it's not like he was written out of character. He was in a life or death situation. What was he supposed to do--hand Volnek a bouquet as a peace offering?

By the way did anyone notice earlier in the episode, Teal'c was wearing a RED sleeveless shirt. I thought it was a nice change from the black he always wears.

MarshAngel
February 24th, 2006, 07:08 PM
You know what would have made this episode that much more entertaining and probably just fractionally more believable... if they'd shifted without their clothes. But I guess since they aren't falling through the floor.. it's perfectly plausible that the technology intuitively knows to take all their attached clothing but none of the furniture or miscallaneous items around them. :rolleyes:

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 07:08 PM
And for the record, I don't get this 'Rambo Tealc' label.

The two guns, shooting off to the sides is a pretty new thing.

mckaychick
February 24th, 2006, 07:10 PM
I thought that the episode was pretty good. This is the first episode ive seen of sg-1 for a couple of weeks but i enjoyed this one

AGateFan
February 24th, 2006, 07:11 PM
Wow, good thing scifi just told us what was going to happen in the preview or I may actually be concerned something bad just happened.

The Blue Jello thing now must be the scientist food of choice.

Seriously teal’c shirts with sleeves are your friends.

OK, let me ask, why don’t they fall through the floor, why do they have to use doors, yada yada yada ……had to ask

Talk louder Carter, that will help….you work with morons:)
Strike the pose T.

Now Mitchell sounds like Mckay now.

Lee gets stupider every episode it seems.

I guess we get our Zombie…. Braiiinnnnssss

Lee is truly an idiot….. ok that was funnnyyyyyyy but I figured out what happen before Daniel did, but then I may have less faith in Lee.

Well the hope I had for the Sodan is now gone. That stinks, yet another waste of decent recurring characters.

Mitchell saves the day as always.

Well, I really wasn’t paying that much attention, but it seemed like an ok episode.
Some funny lines, some decent action, zombies are always a plus I suppose.

star47
February 24th, 2006, 07:18 PM
I liked this episode, it was fun while also having a serious tone. Evryone on the team had an important part to play in it, and I love Dr Lee. Also liked Gen Landry threatening Dr Lee, that was funny.

The iteraction between Daniel and Sam was good, and the expressions on Daniel's face were priceless when Dr Lee sent him out of phase, too.

I know Teal'c is a warrior, but the two-handed stance with both guns is a little too much. I've gotten used to the sleeveless T-shirt, although not my personal choice, but the two gun macho-hero man needs to be toned down. It looks rather silly, and I'd like to see Teal'c taken seriously.

That marine(?) colonel left there with Teal'c was a little whiney, Teal'c needed to smack him upside the head. Was glad when Colonel Reynolds got there, he's ideal military.

I really enjoyed the stuff between Teal'c and Mitchell. Seems they've discovered there's a real chemistry between the two of them and are playing it up, but that's fine, it works.

All in all, not a substantial story, but a good, light, entertaining episode.

Weir'sRedShirt
February 24th, 2006, 07:20 PM
I suppose it was alright. As someone who's seen every episode of the first 8 seasons, but skipped 3/4 of season 9 because I'm a sucker for the old team, I was... entertained for the hour. Definitely a re-make of "Crystal Skull", but I did like Mitchell in it. Daniel and Sam were perfect, though a bit... I don't know... out of character? Maybe that's what the whole season's been like, seeing as I haven't been watching, but they seemed a little too light-hearted sometimes. But that's probably just me.

Teal'C's plotline, I liked. Of course, it was a bit confusing to me since I didn't know who the heck he was talking about, but I still enjoyed it and his little bounty hunt with Mitchell.

Lee was aggravating. Is it just me, or didn't he used to be smart?

Great acting though, by everyone.

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 07:23 PM
Lee was aggravating. Is it just me, or didn't he used to be smart?

Great acting though, by everyone.


yeah, dr lee used to be a good backup to sam.

sadly he seems to be reduced to comic relief

sacrifice the character for a cheap laugh

NakedJehutyV2
February 24th, 2006, 07:24 PM
alterran cloak prolly duplicates the natural abilites of invisiblility of the re'tu

the fifth man
February 24th, 2006, 07:27 PM
Solid episode, I must say. I'd definitely give it two and a half to three stars out of four. Great re-working of the "Crystal Skull" situation. Too bad for the Sodan, though. I really liked those guys too.:( And what was up with mister "zombie" Sodan? That was crazy (in a good way).:) Also, I continue to love the development of the relationship between Mitchell and Teal'c. It was awesome when Teal'c didn't even think twice about trying to hit Mitchell. I can't wait to see what next week has in store for us. The trailer looked mighty sweet. The ORI are coming!!!:D

Cherriey
February 24th, 2006, 07:27 PM
Maybe, but we don't know if the re'tu's device had this alternate dimension capability. It hasn't been tested yet. I wonder if it will be now? =0)

JudeMorrigan
February 24th, 2006, 07:27 PM
Personally, I don't see the problem with Mitchell calling Daniel "Jackson". Speaking as someone who's been there himself, a gung-ho military type calling someone by their last name is a sign of friendliness, not disrepect. I have close friends that I'm not sure I ever completely broke of the habit of calling me by my last name, and with the ones I'm thinking of, I really did make a concerted effort to get them to refer to me by my first name. Which is not something I think we've seen Daniel make. It's just a different mindset.

the fifth man
February 24th, 2006, 07:28 PM
yeah, dr lee used to be a good backup to sam.

sadly he seems to be reduced to comic relief

sacrifice the character for a cheap laugh

He'll have his day, sooner or later. Mark my words.:)

darman
February 24th, 2006, 07:30 PM
The episode was decent, but everything's becoming predictable on Stargate now. A lot of people are saying that they feel that the show has lost its appeal from the earlier seasons. I think the problem is that they keep using the same formula on their story development (if they go past season ten I think MGM should bring in a new creative team). I also think that all the characters are becoming too likable for their own good. I remember thinking in the earlier seasons that Jack sometimes was an ignorant ass, but then he would come around and redeem himself.

Things I feel TPTB need to think about:

Tone down Mitchell. His overenthusiastic attitude towards life threatning situations is just making the storyline less believable. The mocking of the bad guys is also getting old, seems the writers lost the meaning of word subtle somewhere along the way.

Make recurring characters useful to the storyline. Bill Dow's character in this episode was a joke. I like that character and the humor that it brings to the show, but they just overdid it. Believing that someone who makes that many mistakes is employed in such important organization is ridiculous.

Sorry about the rant, but I just wanted to throw some thoughts out there.

nccjones
February 24th, 2006, 07:31 PM
Ok...I'm posting before reading the others. I gave it a good. I'd really love to give it an excellent, but I have to love the whole episode to give it that. I'm sorry though, after 9 years, Jaffa stories still bore the heck out of me and the Sodan are right there with them. I ended up f/f thru them. I love Teal'c to death so I feel bad.

As for the phasing part of the episode....Excellent! I totally loved it. For once Mitchell's silly one liners didn't bother me too much. I even got a smirk out of one or two of them. Though, I do have a few complaints about him this episode (not surprised...huh?) The scene with Daniel and Landry where Mitchell was acting stupid and throwing his arms up in the air. What's with that and his constant turning in circles? I notice he does that alot. The other thing that bugged me, why did he go off world? To what purpose would that have served? He was out of phase FCOL and Sam was trying to fix it, what if the device didn't work over light years? They needed to stick together. Again, Mitchell went off on his own to play the hero. No suprise their. Oh...and did he get to play the hero? No, it was Teal'c who had to save is a**.

Loved Sam and Daniel in this one. I really loved how they reacted when they finally saw each other. I also loved how they worked together with Dr. Lee in the background....gotta love him. Sam's expression when Walter didn't know what to do was priceless too. She is so awesome these days. I guess I do see Jack in her now, but I don't mind it. It seems to fit.

Overall it was a great episode. The whole Merlin working out of phase to develop a weapon against the Ancients is interesting. Though I'm a huge Arthurian fan and Merlin being my favorite character (besides Lancelot) and I don't want him to be a bad guy in this...so I'm a little worried. I mean, why would he want to destroy the Ancients? I really don't understand that part. But it is convenient that there is a weapon now to help them destroy the Ori.

I left happy. Now I'm off to watch Trip...uhh...I meant Michael :)

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 07:41 PM
this eps is yet another A&P special. Alan McCullough who seems to like to write mitch as a bit silly and OTT and super enthusiastic. And Peter Deluise who seems to agree and perpetrate this characterization

yes, mitch's quips weren't quite so out of place as they've been in the past, but he does need to chill out and calm down. A&P seem to like him manic and he's almost like rodney mckay on atlantis. a little of the manic action goes a long, long way

Deejay435
February 24th, 2006, 07:42 PM
I liked it. Mostly. I've learned to ignore the not falling through the floor thing, since going out of phase is becoming a sci-fi staple.

I liked the interactions between the characters. I liked poor frustrated Sam trying to get the gate techs to figure out what had happened. Reminded me of how I yell at the TV to get characters to do what I want them to. I loved her expressions when they didn't get it.

I liked the interplay between Mitchell and Sam when they were first out-of-phased. I'm glad someone finally mentioned Cam's obsession with SG1's old reports.

Dr. Lee needs to stop watching Disney movies.

Daniel was awesome. I love 'teacher' Daniel, quizzing Landry. I loved his reactions to Dr. Lee (though I wish they wouldn't make Lee such an idiot.)

I loved Sam and Daniel when he first went out of phase.

Mitchell's coversation...one sided...with Landry confused me. Even though I heard the Ghost refrence, I didn't get the "We need a whoopie" comment, till someone on another thread explained it to me. All I could think of was 'making whoopie' from the old Newlywed game, and got a horrible flash of Landry/Cam ship.

I didn't really like killing off the Sodan so quickly. And in theory, I hate, hate the Ori Zombies. BUT, whatever his name was reminded me so much of the 'zombies' in 28 Days Later that I was well and truly creeped out.

Why were the guys with Teal'c wearing desert camo footwear? I kept thinking they were barefoot, and it was disturbing.

Mitchell didn't annoy me till the very end. That's a good thing. I thought they dragged the 'Mitchell loves food' gag on way too long, but other than that, he didn't bother me too much.

I did roll my eyes at his insistance on going to 'save' Teal'c when he was out of phase and couldn't do anything to actually help. But it wasn't till the end, when he was running for the claymores and STOPPED to taunt Zombie guy that he really bugged me. That was way too much grandstanding, and "Aren't I just so clever." There was no reason to stop. Valnek(?) was following him. He would have hit the claymores without Mitchell amusing himself.

And Mitchell's amusing himself then put himself in danger, from which Teal'c then had to rescue him.

I did like the interplay between Sam and Daniel about Cam going off on his own again. I'm glad that the other characters seem annoyed by this character trait of Cameron's as well. I also wonder if that was part of the reason Teal'c didn't hesitate to try to slug him. Even if he knew it wouldn't actually hurt him, it seemed to bother Cam, and maybe that was the point.

I don't think Merlin's weapon is going to work, because aren't the Ori supposed to be the baddies next season as well? But don't tell me, I am a reformed spoiler-lover, and have done well with being unspoiled.

Oh, and I forgot, Colonel Reynolds was there! And he was snarky. Go Reynolds! I rather like him. I worry for him, though, the rate they're killing off recurring characters.

Weir'sRedShirt
February 24th, 2006, 07:46 PM
yeah, dr lee used to be a good backup to sam.

sadly he seems to be reduced to comic relief

sacrifice the character for a cheap laugh
What was it in, "Resurrection", I think, where I really liked him. He was funny, but the kind of funny you expected from Stargate, not this new "hilarious" the-fumbling-scientist kind of funny. *disappointed*

the fifth man
February 24th, 2006, 07:46 PM
yes, mitch's quips weren't quite so out of place as they've been in the past, but he does need to chill out and calm down. A&P seem to like him manic and he's almost like rodney mckay on atlantis. a little of the manic action goes a long, long way

Personally, I loved it when Mitchell gave the touchdown signal when Daniel finally came to the realization that him and Carter could still be on the base. I thought it was just really well-timed. He's done lots of little things that I've absolutely loved this season. I'll concede though that he can, on occasion, be a little over-the-top.:)

spg_1983
February 24th, 2006, 07:46 PM
Pretty good as a stand alone episode, but its a bit convienient and cheap that Merlin was working on a weapon specifically designed to kill Ascended beings. Couldn't they come up with anything more creative for a solution to the Ori other than yet another magic Ancient weapon? Also I love how many incredible technological feats the Ancients seem to have left behind for us here in Milky Way Galaxy, yet Atlantis, which was supposed to be the crown jewel of their civilization is pure crap. Other than the shields and transport closets and drone weapon, the city itself has proven to be less technologically special and advanced than say New York City.

I didnt like the little gag with Dr. Lee with the miniturization idea. It was out of character for Lee. Lee is usually shown in a comedic situation or as a bit of comic relief but they have always shown him as a very competent, brilliant scientist as well and it was just so ridiculous it didnt work for me.

Mitchells and Teal'c banter at the end was very out of character and innappropriate. In a normal situation that they defeated a enemy yes it would have been an amusing way to end the show, but the Sodan have been completely wiped out regardless of whether they succeeded in escaping and Mitchell got to be really good friends with the Sodan in general and the Zombie guy in particular. They should have been more serious andintrospective at the end.

Also, it was cool the first 2 times Teal'c did the double P90 thing, but now its getting old Yeah yeah we get it, Teal'c is big and bad and needs more than a single puny P90. They need to give Teal'c his own unique powerful weapon since he doesnt carry a staff any more. He looks really stupid when he needs to use one of his hands and has to hold both in the same hand and its overlly cliche for him to always be weilding two.

nccjones
February 24th, 2006, 07:48 PM
yeah, dr lee used to be a good backup to sam.

sadly he seems to be reduced to comic relief

sacrifice the character for a cheap laugh

It seems to me that lately SG1 is turning more comic than serious. Except for the few one liners from Jack and a small reaction from Sam, that's all there was. Now it's all the characters. Someone mentioned earlier that the faces or gestures that Daniel made in this episode were out of character for him...it was like he was in his pissy mood with Vala in some scenes. I love Sam, but she too has taken to quipping off one liners.

As much as I like the out of phase sequence, they did seem glib about their whole scenario. Not like in the old days when there was real concern for each other.

Deejay435
February 24th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Overall it was a great episode. The whole Merlin working out of phase to develop a weapon against the Ancients is interesting. Though I'm a huge Arthurian fan and Merlin being my favorite character (besides Lancelot) and I don't want him to be a bad guy in this...so I'm a little worried. I mean, why would he want to destroy the Ancients? I really don't understand that part. But it is convenient that there is a weapon now to help them destroy the Ori.



Part of Daniel's translation stated that Merlin was aware of the Ori and saw them as a threat, and was frustrated with the...oh whatever we call the ascended beings in this galaxy's refusal to do anything about the threat. So he descended to make a weapon to be used against the Ori.

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 07:52 PM
What was it in, "Resurrection", I think, where I really liked him. He was funny, but the kind of funny you expected from Stargate, not this new "hilarious" the-fumbling-scientist kind of funny. *disappointed*
yeah, it is too bad.

poor lee, reduced to joke of the week

maybe they got the names confused and meant to write felger?

Skydiver
February 24th, 2006, 07:53 PM
It seems to me that lately SG1 is turning more comic than serious. Except for the few one liners from Jack and a small reaction from Sam, that's all there was. Now it's all the characters. Someone mentioned earlier that the faces or gestures that Daniel made in this episode were out of character for him...it was like he was in his pissy mood with Vala in some scenes. I love Sam, but she too has taken to quipping off one liners.

As much as I like the out of phase sequence, they did seem glib about their whole scenario. Not like in the old days when there was real concern for each other.
yeah. the plots are so thin and rife with convenient bits that you really can't take them seriously. cause if you do you just spend all your time noticing how tossed together and sloppy they are

and i second the person, what the heck was sg12 doing in desert boots? and where the heck did these elbow and knee pads come from? were they expecting some roller hockey with the sodan or something?

the fifth man
February 24th, 2006, 07:54 PM
regardless of whether they succeeded in escaping and Mitchell got to be really good friends with the Sodan in general and the Zombie guy in particular. They should have been more serious andintrospective at the end.


If I'm not mistaken, the "zombie guy" wasn't the one Mitchell befriended in "Babylon". It was "zombie guy's" brother. I think "zombie guy" was the one taken to the SGC. The one that tried to kill Mitchell in "Babylon". At least I sure think it is.

nccjones
February 24th, 2006, 07:55 PM
Part of Daniel's translation stated that Merlin was aware of the Ori and saw them as a threat, and was frustrated with the...oh whatever we call the ascended beings in this galaxy's refusal to do anything about the threat. So he descended to make a weapon to be used against the Ori.

Ok...I must have missed that. You know, with Daniel speaking so fast and all....lol. Seriously, I'll have to watch it again to catch the things I missed.

Thanks! :)

the fifth man
February 24th, 2006, 07:58 PM
Ok...I must have missed that. You know, with Daniel speaking so fast and all....lol. Seriously, I'll have to watch it again to catch the things I missed.

Thanks! :)

Heck, I usually watch them two or three times within a few days anyways. Obsessive, maybe. But that's just me.:)

JUNIOR
February 24th, 2006, 07:59 PM
This was a great episode. I loved the Volnek flash back when Hikon filling in Teal'c on what happened to Volnek and the tribe. I wonder if the Ori warriors will be evil looking killing machines like Volnek was in this episode.

Bobthespirit
February 24th, 2006, 08:00 PM
Hmm...pretty good episode as far as season nine goes. But it also has a 'been there, done that' feel to it. They took a good premise and executed it in the dryest, most uninspired way imagineable.

At this point, I think I'm only watching the new Stargates for the same reason I watched Voyager and Enterprise. Franchise loyalty.

But they'd better start coming up with more original writing, because Star Trek stole all the patience I had with their crappy series.

And as far as I'm concerned, Moebius is Stargate's 'All Good Things'. The true ending to the series. And post-Anderson Stargate still has a chance to convince me otherwise -- if they bounce back real soon.

binkpmmc
February 24th, 2006, 08:01 PM
The other thing that bugged me, why did he go off world? To what purpose would that have served? He was out of phase FCOL and Sam was trying to fix it, what if the device didn't work over light years? They needed to stick together. Again, Mitchell went off on his own to play the hero. No suprise their. Oh...and did he get to play the hero? No, it was Teal'c who had to save is a**.

saved his a$$ AGAIN! after he felt the need to run off by himself AGAIN.


Loved Sam and Daniel in this one. I really loved how they reacted when they finally saw each other. I also loved how they worked together with Dr. Lee in the background....gotta love him. Sam's expression when Walter didn't know what to do was priceless too. She is so awesome these days. I guess I do see Jack in her now, but I don't mind it. It seems to fit.

I liked that part the best of the whole ep - it was cute the way they reacted and when Carter said to Daniel that it would go faster now that he was "here" both their expressions were spot on -- that is what is missing from the BIG 3 and from the season in general.

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 08:02 PM
Someone mentioned earlier that the faces or gestures that Daniel made in this episode were out of character for him...it was like he was in his pissy mood with Vala in some scenes.
That was me. At least, I mentioned it, but maybe someone else did as well. But, I only noticed pissiness with Dr. Lee messing things up.

Okay, while there were definite flaws in his idea, and a lot of coincidences would have to fall into place for it to work, I think Mitchell's idea to take advantage of his out of phaseness to gather intel (which was one thing he could do) wasn't such a bad idea. Like I said, definite flaws (relaying the info) and coincidences (if there was info that could help rescue Teal'c, then someone would have had to fix the out of phase problem at the right moment to tell). And, while it was extremely impulsive idea, and the whole rushing off without considering things like I mentioned wasn't the smartest thing, I don't get a "need to play hero" thing, myself. I get a "hears someone Mitchell respects and is beginning to care about is in trouble, and he can't handle just sitting around. He needs to feel like he's doing something." The feelings behind the actions (my interpretation of them, anyway) are ones that I don't think are bad.

Mesenet
February 24th, 2006, 08:06 PM
Just finished watching the second showing of the show.

If you can overlook the few storyline flaws, it was a really good ep. A lot more like the older seasons with the subtle humor, a sprinkling of action and suspense. It seems like the loose arcs are being tied together.

Mitchell's character is still see saw-ie. Got what he deserved in one scene. ;)

I am not a Vala fan but can't wait to see what next week's ep has to bring as the season finale approaches.

the fifth man
February 24th, 2006, 08:06 PM
That was me. At least, I mentioned it, but maybe someone else did as well. But, I only noticed pissiness with Dr. Lee messing things up.

Can you blame him?:)

nccjones
February 24th, 2006, 08:06 PM
Heck, I usually watch them two or three times within a few days anyways. Obsessive, maybe. But that's just me.:)

Depending on the episode, I do too. I watched the first few episodes of season 9 a few times and I did RE and Ethon. RE, Ethon and AM are the one's I liked in the second half...so I'll watch them again. I can leave the rest.

Shipperahoy
February 24th, 2006, 08:08 PM
I have to say that I really enjoyed this one. I'd probably go so far as to say it's my favorite of the season thus far (although the leather wear in Off the Grid really gives that ep some extra oomph in the favorite race. Yes I'm shallow). I really really love it when they give us the opportunity of seeing Daniel and Sam work together but, sadly, we get to see it so rarely. They have such a wonderful sibling vibe going and they play so very well off of each other. Plus it's nice having the two incredibly smart people together so we can be spared the whole "explain like you would to a two year old" type thing.

I still think that Cam is a bit too manic at times. When Farscape was on I figured that crazy kidlike aspect was part of the Crichton character and it worked wonderfully but now I'm thinking it's part of Ben's acting style and I think it would work best for the character if it was toned down just a smidge. That said, I like him more and more each episode. Him and Teal'c are a riot and a half.

nccjones
February 24th, 2006, 08:09 PM
That was me. At least, I mentioned it, but maybe someone else did as well. But, I only noticed pissiness with Dr. Lee messing things up.

Yeah, I think it was you and I read another comment on another board, so I probably confused the two...but I agree with you both!....lol.

Mesenet
February 24th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Another bit of negativity: the Sodon storyline seemed to be thrown away a bit too quickly. However, I guess the show might be going in another direction yet again so maybe there is just no future in the Sodon, so why not burn it here.

I agree with you - felt the Sodon could been great allies.

the fifth man
February 24th, 2006, 08:18 PM
I agree with you - felt the Sodon could been great allies.

Yeah, it does suck. I really was coming to like them. However, it just goes to show that not even this group of honored Jaffa could survive the power of the Ori. They didn't even stand much of a chance.

NotAscended
February 24th, 2006, 08:21 PM
I agree with you - felt the Sodon could been great allies.

But should we write the Sodon off completely after this episode? ZombieSodon took out one village, but is that the only village on the entire planet? Since the Sodon have been around for centuries, I would think they would have colonized many places on their world and there may still be others in addition to Lord Haikon. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 08:28 PM
You know, back when Joe was answering questions on the board, I asked if we'd get a chance to see more of Daniel using his unique skills to help solve problems. I mean, Daniel has always fired guns when necessary, but I missed when he did other things besides that. That's why I liked Avalon so much. And, I thought this was a nice episode for that. Daniel pouring through books, lecturing, translating Ancient. Not just Daniel being instrumental, but Daniel being instrumental in a very Daniel like way.

And, shallow, he kept his glasses on the whole time:)

AGateFan
February 24th, 2006, 08:29 PM
But should we write the Sodon off completely after this episode? ZombieSodon took out one village, but is that the only village on the entire planet? Since the Sodon have been around for centuries, I would think they would have colonized many places on their world and there may still be others in addition to Lord Haikon. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.
Maybe we will get attacked in mass by SodanZombies.... could be the Ori's ace in the hole..... SodanZombies with bugs coming out of their mouths and eating people.... Sounds like a Skiffy show to me :)

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 08:33 PM
SodanZombies with bugs coming out of their mouths and eathing people


Okay, anyone have a projectile vomitting smiley? I think I need one.

nccjones
February 24th, 2006, 08:35 PM
You know, back when Joe was answering questions on the board, I asked if we'd get a chance to see more of Daniel using his unique skills to help solve problems. I mean, Daniel has always fired guns when necessary, but I missed when he did other things besides that. That's why I liked Avalon so much. And, I thought this was a nice episode for that. Daniel pouring through books, lecturing, translating Ancient. Not just Daniel being instrumental, but Daniel being instrumental in a very Daniel like way.

And, shallow, he kept his glasses on the whole time:)

Yeah, I agree. I think over the last year or so we got too much Action Jackson so it's nice to see him revert back to what he really is...an archeologist. Don't get me wrong, after 9 years of going through the gate, facing countless enemies and dying more times then a freakin cat, the guy is going to harden and become a tough guy. (I edited that sentence...didn't like the words I originally used, just didn't fit).

But yeah, it is nice to see him in the books and lecturing again. I sometimes miss the young, naive Daniel :daniel:

Seastallion
February 24th, 2006, 08:39 PM
I loved the episode, although I was sad to hear about Cam's buddy getting killed by his own brother. :( I liked that character. Also very sad, that just when it seems we've found a new friend (the Sodan) they get wiped out. Sheesh... when does it end? Well... since the planet is pretty much uninhabited now, I suppose it would make a great planet to put a base on. It would be harder to attack, just as the Sodan used it. They might also be able to benefit from some of the ancient technology and information still there. Of course, if that is the writers actually do that... I guess we'll see.

As to how Merlin knew that the Ori might need defeating... I have only one word: Janus. I think it is rather obvious that after Janus returned to Earth, with his knowledge of certain future events, he rebuilt his Time-Jumper. I think it is obvious that much is the case. He then traveled into the future to the time that Earth would rediscover the stargate to find out what would happen. He very likely learned about the Ori threat, and if he finally decided to ascend he may have very well shared this knowledge with the others. Of course the 'Others' being the 'selective uber-pacifist' they can be decided not to do anything about it. Ol' Merlin on the otherhand, decided the 'Others' were being idiots so he took matters into his own hands. Of course it makes sense that the stargate address would include the Earth point of origin, since the data device itself was on Earth to begin with. One has to wonder though... If the Stargate was buried in Egypt during Arthur's time, and the gate in Antartica was still buried... how did Merlin use the Stargate to get his anti-ascended weapon to another planet?? I suppose he might've used a ship... wonder where he left it?

Like I said... great episode. ;)

Shipperahoy
February 24th, 2006, 08:40 PM
Okay, anyone have a projectile vomitting smiley? I think I need one.

No doubt. Bugs squick me out on a MAJOR scale. That's part of the reason why I didn't really watch The Scourge until yesterday and I had someone who told me when to cover my eyes. Yick.

Say...you aren't a boy?:cameron:

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 08:45 PM
No doubt. Bugs squick me out on a MAJOR scale. That's part of the reason why I didn't really watch The Scourge until yesterday and I had someone who told me when to cover my eyes. Yick.

Bugs coming out of the mouth is doubly horrible. (But, I can't handle anything coming out of the mouth. Unless it's vomitting smileys)


Say...you aren't a boy?:cameron:

Heh. After a few male references when people respond or quote me, I wasn't too sure myself.

majorsal
February 24th, 2006, 08:49 PM
my views on 'arthur's mantle'


sam was fun and funny! :D

i loved her sam-mitchell punching of arms scene, *mainly* because they did NOT make it shippy in any way between them! :D :D

i liked her reactions to things in this ep. when she was trying to communicate with chevron guy and the scientist in the control room. exasperated sam is fun! :p

i wish ben browder would stop trying to be as funny as richard dean anderson. (no one can master what that master of quip did. so please stop trying)

cute scenes between sam and daniel. cute punching of arms scene too. ;)

one could 'almost' get a shippy-i'm-worried-about-you vibe when sam didn't want mitchell to go after teal'c, but... i'm just hyper sensitive to sam and any man being within one foot of her these days.

i wish they'd stop making teal'c come off as superbadmutherfighterteal'c. please let him use one gun again.

i like daniel when he's his old self (investigatey and smart).

why are they making dr lee more idiotic every ep?

landry. ;) yes, i like him.

why did they kill off the sudan!? why can't we have one ally that doesn't bite the dust? at least we didn't see the sodan leader die... i think?

i saw the previews not fan of vala for the next ep not fan of vala... *takes deep breaths... starts hyperventilating... oops :p*

over all, sam rocks! sam rules! sam's da bomb! sam's great. ;)







sally :)

Traveler Enroute1
February 24th, 2006, 08:52 PM
A quick review: just got in from the NY Comics Con's Sci-Fi Friday. :cool:

What a cool way to watch SG1/SGA/BSG, with a live audience. When others laugh, gasp or groan at the same parts of the ep at the same time it enhances one's enjoyment. For whatever reasons, it seems to me, anyway. The promos were heavy on "the first 500 to attend" the commercial free episodes would get a freebie. So there were brave souls lining up for the showing as early as 6 pm (alas, including me, 'cause I didn't want to be number 499). The showing was to start around 7:30, and to end at 11pm. People were trying to do the math on that one, since commercial free eps are only 46-47 minutes. We speculated on some type of filler; but the shows ran back to back without interruptions. Except for the SciFi Channel's promo (when the screening began, instead of SG1 we got the IF short with the man sending his dog to work, dog does better job than him, etc. Howls of "that's a commercial!" erupted all around. Funny moment). Between each show we got the SciFi montage of its shows, and the "original series" blue screen. Best screening moment: After SG Atlantis, the "SciFi Original Series Stargate SG1 had everyone screaming (including me) "NOOO!" Then the same intro played again, same response. Then it played AGAIN, with Stargate Atlantis "coming up," and ONCE more, with the right intro to BSG. Somebody was loopy! :)

Can't say the less than full audience was very reactive; I kind of yelped when Amanda Tapping came on in the opening credits, as some did for Ben. Otherwise no real rootin' like we'd do on our fave threads. Minor.

Most seemed to enjoy the episode, as I did. I'm flabbergasted that the whole Sodan nation was wiped out in such a way; yuck on this writing. Otherwise, the contrast of humor and the little cliffhanger with the device's energy drain, Sam and Daniel finding how to return, Cam's uncertain status and his very certain status on the planet worked really well. Nice directing there. And loved Cam's return so unexpectedly; whoops, Cam gets whumped again!

Just sayin', loved this ep mostly for the great Sam and Daniel perk; they play well off each other and I miss that. So, still thawin' out from our blustery chill, will collect more thoughts on the Con and the Ep after a nice warm bath and sleep! :)

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 08:55 PM
i wish they'd stop making teal'c come off as superbadmutherfighterteal'c. please let him use one gun again.

Must be the same person who ripped all the sleeves off his shirts.


one could 'almost' get a shippy-i'm-worried-about-you vibe when sam didn't want mitchell to go after teal'c, but... i'm just hyper sensitive to sam and any man being within one foot of sam these days.

I know the feeling, but I got more of a "no one can see you, you can't touch anything, what could you possibly do" vibe in this case. And, I'm happy to say I haven't gotten any shippy feeling watching Sam and Mitchell together.

Peoples_General
February 24th, 2006, 09:08 PM
Maybe Teal'c heard about Ronon and decided to show off his biceps too. :P

Anyhow as for Myrrdin (Merlin)....

I think that Myrrdin was much like Oma or Orlin... he was one of the more senisible ones. As in those who would take action rather than just sit on their divine-ascended arses. Thats why he went off on his own to find a way in which to fight the Ori. Its quite obvious he's not one of the peace-niks, and one who truly doesn't like the Ori to the point of wanting to wipe them out.

yowo
February 24th, 2006, 09:24 PM
Must be the same person who ripped all the sleeves off his shirts.



I know the feeling, but I got more of a "no one can see you, you can't touch anything, what could you possibly do" vibe in this case. And, I'm happy to say I haven't gotten any shippy feeling watching Sam and Mitchell together.

:jack: :sam:

You said it!!!!!
Please let’s not go there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is only one thing I dislike about this episode. Where was Teal’c staff weapon? In the old Stargate they would have explained where it was. Did he misplace it? Why is he carrying two machine guns? That’s just not right!
Enough of that, the rest of this episode was wonderful, So much like the Stargate That I have come to know and Love.
Amanda was wonderfully funny and did a fabulous job as always.
Michael did a terrific job also.
Plus Christopher did what he does best.
It was great to see that old Sam, Daniel interaction that we haven’t seen in a while. I miss that, very much.
All in all I loved this episode. It felt like coming home.
Good Job Guys!

the fifth man
February 24th, 2006, 09:42 PM
There is only one thing I dislike about this episode. Where was Teal’c staff weapon? In the old Stargate they would have explained where it was. Did he misplace it? Why is he carrying two machine guns? That’s just not right!


If I'm not mistaken, I have yet to see Teal'c carrying a staff weapon off-world as his weapon of choice this season. Maybe he's retired it.:)

Dromag67
February 24th, 2006, 09:48 PM
:jack: :sam:

You said it!!!!!
Please let’s not go there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is only one thing I dislike about this episode. Where was Teal’c staff weapon? In the old Stargate they would have explained where it was. Did he misplace it? Why is he carrying two machine guns? That’s just not right!
Enough of that, the rest of this episode was wonderful, So much like the Stargate That I have come to know and Love.
Amanda was wonderfully funny and did a fabulous job as always.
Michael did a terrific job also.
Plus Christopher did what he does best.
It was great to see that old Sam, Daniel interaction that we haven’t seen in a while. I miss that, very much.
All in all I loved this episode. It felt like coming home.
Good Job Guys!

Jack - "A Staff weapon is a weapon meant to intimidate, a P90 is a weapon of war, its meant to kill"

:jack:

the fifth man
February 24th, 2006, 09:51 PM
Jack - "A Staff weapon is a weapon meant to intimidate, a P90 is a weapon of war, its meant to kill"

:jack:

Nice reference.:)

ShipShape
February 24th, 2006, 09:52 PM
I actually liked this episode. I actually didn't mind Mitchell in it--he was not so overbearing and didn't grate on my nerves as much as he usually does--what is it with the food?? I especially liked the little "shoulder-shoving" between Carter and Mitchell when they realized they were "out of phase" together--I particularly liked that Carter got the last shove. It was better than I expected--as I said in a post in another thread--hope springs eternal. I give it a 3-1/2.

SuperDuperCool
February 24th, 2006, 10:35 PM
When he said that he needed to ask them about each letter in order to figure out what the display said.

HELLLO.

Instead of asking specifically yes or no for each later, just use the "halving" method.

1) "Is the first letter in the first half of the alphabet"
2) "The second?"
3)"Out of the remaining letters, the first half?"

And so on. That is so kindergarten of Daniel to ask for each letter.

Dani347
February 24th, 2006, 10:44 PM
Wouldn't that require some mathematical tricks? Right now, I couldn't tell you where the first half of the letters in the post ends and the second half begins without taking the time to count all the letters, divide by 2, and then count where the half mark is. And, then, doing that again to get the half of that. I like to think that it's not just because I'm a dunce at numbers, that other people wouldn't automatically know as well.

Plus, they'd still have to go through the whole page to find each corresponding letter to know where it was at all (they wouldn't know automatically), then jump through the mathematical hoops. Seems to me that would be more work than going through each letter.

(Any reason you didn't post this in the episode thread?)

wizelf
February 24th, 2006, 11:11 PM
That woudl only work assuming that the people on the other side KNOW the symbols and their corresponding order in the ancient "alphabet" to call it that. The way they did it was probably the only way to do it.

LORD MONK
February 24th, 2006, 11:24 PM
I thought it was brilliant considering he is working with people that don't know ancient. He would pick a letter and then scan his finger to where the symbol was on the keyboard inturn they would hit yes.

FerCryinOutLoud!
February 25th, 2006, 12:05 AM
I'm surprised at the somewhat positive reviews. I figured a lot of people would have hated this episode mainly because of Mitchel and his arrogant, "I don't have to follow orders and I know everything," attitude. I defend Mitchel most of the time, but this time i really found him annoying. I really hope their going to acknowledge the way he's been acting lately seeing as how the other team members seem to hint more and more at their distaste for his attitude. I think that if they do acknowledge it... this could be good Mitchel character development and the writers won't write him so obnoxious anymore and a little more serious.

I was disappointed that the Sodan were wiped out. I liked them and really thought that they could have been a good allie in the fight against the Sith... i mean the Ori. Sorry, i like the Ori alright but more and more they remind me of the Emperor from Star Wars. I think that Mitchel's Sodan friend was written off very cheapley. I thought that he was a cool character and at least deserved an onscreen death. Since i'm assuming Haikon survived i wonder since his people are all but dead, if he'll move to Dakara and hook up with the Jaffa there. Maybe start a political career, lol. It would be cool to see Haikon and Bra'tac interact, but that's just me.

So i wonder if what happened to the Oriified Sodan brother who killed everyone of his people is what the Ori warriors will be like. I mean are they merely just people who get infected with the Ori virus and mindlessly fight for the Ori looking like and sounding like a demon? If so, it's a little disappointing because i was hoping Ori warriors would be a warrior race like the Jaffa, from the Ori galaxy.

Next weeks episode looks good. I have high hopes for it... I wonder if TPTB will drag out the Ori as an enemy like the Goa'uld until the show ends or if they will be wiped out of existence sooner than we think. I honestly hope that the Merlin device is not the easy answer for destroying the Ori. That would be lame. It would be kind of like using a Nuclear bomb to kill God. Since that would be impossible it stretches my imagination far beyond it's outer-limits. Things just don't work that way. I was hoping for the ascended Alterrans to face off with the Ori in their higher plain of existence. Using tech to kill a larger than life enemy is kind of stupid especially after the ascended beings have been built up as larger than life beings.

Overall this episode was good. I liked the team moments and everything. It's just time to write Mitchel a little less arrogantly, annoying and with a little more substance.

Madeleine
February 25th, 2006, 01:10 AM
When he said that he needed to ask them about each letter in order to figure out what the display said.

HELLLO.

Instead of asking specifically yes or no for each later, just use the "halving" method.

1) "Is the first letter in the first half of the alphabet"
2) "The second?"
3)"Out of the remaining letters, the first half?"

And so on. That is so kindergarten of Daniel to ask for each letter.

You have only asked three questions, it's true, but you've yet to pinpoint a letter. And you've used up twenty-seven sylables and several dozen letters...

Hmmmm.

Dani347
February 25th, 2006, 01:59 AM
I'm surprised at the somewhat positive reviews. I figured a lot of people would have hated this episode mainly because of Mitchel and his arrogant, "I don't have to follow orders and I know everything," attitude.

Well, no one gave him any orders in this episode, did they? No one ever said to him not to leave, Sam just questioned what he could do under the circumstances.

kazzyk
February 25th, 2006, 04:14 AM
Again? Yet another episode that began with promise but soon turned into a comic book farce!
"Websters: Farce= A light dramatic work in which highly improbable plot situations, exaggerated characters, and often slapstick elements are used for humorous effect. "

Done badly as well--however--there where a few good minutes and all of them where when Mitchell was not in the scene.
What is happening? They begin well and just have to showcase BB regardless if it even fits the plot? Thus ruin the show--watching Stargate now is a matter of searching for a few minutes of the real thing amoung the nonsense that has become the show.

Am I the only one who sees the gradual loss of respect that Sam, Daniel and Teal'c have for Mitchell? As actors-AT, MS and CJ seem bored with what has been written for them. Like they have finally figured it out--they our no more than bit players to TPTB grand plan.

It as if TPTB just wants to get through this S9 so they can bring it on--CB and BB back together again and whatever else they have planned for their "new" show.

Best summed up by my 9 yr old granddaughter whos reaction to last nights show was "Where is Stargate"?

MediaSavant
February 25th, 2006, 05:11 AM
I found this one to be really pleasant to watch. I wasn't crazy about the last McCullough-written episode, but this one was much better.

I like the rapport that they've built between Mitchell and Sam and Mitchell and Teal'c. Mitchell's more animated personality doesn't bother as it apparently does others. It brings out what Ben Browder's strengths in much the same way that O'Neill's approach brought out RDA's strengths.

I watched it twice and this was only the second episode all season I could say that about.

Deejay435
February 25th, 2006, 05:15 AM
yeah, it is too bad.

poor lee, reduced to joke of the week

maybe they got the names confused and meant to write felger?

You know, I wouldn't have minded Lee's mistake when he sent Daniel out of phase so much, if it weren't for the Honey I Shrunk the Kids moment earlier.

Sending Daniel out of phase was an accident based on research into the problem and some understanding of what had happened. It wasn't an out of the blue thing. It wouldn't have seemed so stupid to me, if they hadn't already played him up as an idiot who watches too many kids movies.

Deejay435
February 25th, 2006, 05:28 AM
Wouldn't that require some mathematical tricks? Right now, I couldn't tell you where the first half of the letters in the post ends and the second half begins without taking the time to count all the letters, divide by 2, and then count where the half mark is. And, then, doing that again to get the half of that. I like to think that it's not just because I'm a dunce at numbers, that other people wouldn't automatically know as well.

Plus, they'd still have to go through the whole page to find each corresponding letter to know where it was at all (they wouldn't know automatically), then jump through the mathematical hoops. Seems to me that would be more work than going through each letter.

(Any reason you didn't post this in the episode thread?)

Here's how I would have done it: Put the book out on the table. "Is the letter on the first page, or second? Is the letter on the top half of the page, or bottom? A couple of quick questions to narrow it down so he wouldn't have to point to every letter, every time.

Deejay435
February 25th, 2006, 05:36 AM
I'm surprised at the somewhat positive reviews. I figured a lot of people would have hated this episode mainly because of Mitchel and his arrogant, "I don't have to follow orders and I know everything," attitude. I defend Mitchel most of the time, but this time i really found him annoying. I really hope their going to acknowledge the way he's been acting lately seeing as how the other team members seem to hint more and more at their distaste for his attitude. I think that if they do acknowledge it... this could be good Mitchel character development and the writers won't write him so obnoxious anymore and a little more serious.


I've gotten to the point that if Mitchell only annoys me for half the episode, it's a good one for me. And I liked everything else so much, that Maverick!Mitchell's grandstanding wasn't enough to make me dislike the episode.

I do have some hope that this is going to be addressed, just because the others are starting to show more and more annoyance at his behavior. And unless Daniel and Sam lied to Landry, he's going to know about the going off unauthorized like that as well.

aAnubiSs
February 25th, 2006, 05:42 AM
Stargate is getting old.

1.Reusing storylines, if you can't rip one off, rip off a few and put them in the same episode.
2. Ori must have all the same tech as the Ancients did, doesn't matter that the Ancients left 50Mln years ago. They will have no original tech at all. Even their resurection-altered people will look like zombies too.
3. The use of deus ex machina every season.

S6 - Eye of Ra in Full Circle(crappy ep) - Ancient(?)

S7 - Magic healing cube, Lost City(crappy eps btw)

S8 - Repository(don't mind this), Dakara weapon(Biggest deus ex machina)

S9 - Anti-Ascended weapon. The Ascended being on a higher plane and that they can destroy pretty much anything on this plane by thinking it doesn't matter since the little uberweapon is on a planet(think and the planet goes boom) and that it's on a lower plane

Same goes for all military decisions. 'Hello lets forget everything we learned the last 5,000 years of organized warfare and just sit there and ponder while getting shot'

It's like TPTB dumbs down the characters so they have to talk and explain everything so that the stupid american people which appearently don't understand anything can understand the importance of making a desicion.

Instead of making the audience understand(which they would without all the stupified talk) they make the characters look like 4-yo's at the playground.

Drop all the reusing of stories, deus ex machina and the stupification of both Earth, their allies and most definately their enemies. And if they stopped writing Michell as if he were(or is it was in this sentence, i'll never learn when to use he/she/it and were:D) on drugs that'd be nice too.

Better yet, give one of the shows to JMS, and if he doesn't want it, RHW.

RCC+BW = it's ok.
Just RCC or BW = DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER.

Rant over... for now.

jckfan55
February 25th, 2006, 05:43 AM
Good character interactions in this episode. Yay! I especially loved Sam and Daniel. Those 2 characters are great together (non-shippy) and I wish we'd see more of them. And I didn't even hate Mitchell. He did go off half cocked, but he was slightly more restrained than some times.

keshou
February 25th, 2006, 06:00 AM
I rather liked this one. Nothing deep, but I enjoyed the character interactions and both the A and B stories kept my attention. Good use of support characters in both. It DID move a little slowly at times but otherwise it was very pleasant.

*Mitchell. I thought he was fine in this one. I don't mind him being headstrong and passionate about wanting to help his friend. As far as I could tell he wasn't endangering anyone but himself by rushing off to try and help Teal'c. (So far "Off The Grid" was the only episode where he really, really annoyed me). SG-1 has always been passionate about trying to help each other. I could certainly see Jack not wanting to sit around the base "out of phase" when there was any possibility he might be able to help Teal'c.

*Sam was great (again) in this one. I've enjoyed her as much this year as I ever have and it was fun to see her working with Daniel to figure out the problem. Just like the good old days - they really have a nice sibling vibe to them.

*Daniel - gosh i really liked him in this one as well. Nice to see him translating and working thru the puzzle to solve the problem. Very cute moment when he joined Sam in the alternate dimension. *shrug* :)

*Dr. Lee HAS maybe strayed too far to the "comic relief" side I think but guess it doesn't bother me that much.

*Teal'c was great. It's interesting that, imo, Mitchell's personality seems to play off his very well. Like others I think the two-handed gun thing is getting a little old. Give me a good long staff weapon anyday. ;) :)

So looks like we're moving towards the big finale. The preview looked interesting - in no small part because it looks like we're getting a serious Vala back. If they can keep the depth for Vala that they momentarily touched on with TPTB I'll be a happy camper.

Elfinwood
February 25th, 2006, 06:00 AM
The episode was decent, but everything's becoming predictable on Stargate now. A lot of people are saying that they feel that the show has lost its appeal from the earlier seasons. I think the problem is that they keep using the same formula on their story development (if they go past season ten I think MGM should bring in a new creative team). I also think that all the characters are becoming too likable for their own good. I remember thinking in the earlier seasons that Jack sometimes was an ignorant ass, but then he would come around and redeem himself.

Things I feel TPTB need to think about:

Tone down Mitchell. His overenthusiastic attitude towards life threatning situations is just making the storyline less believable. The mocking of the bad guys is also getting old, seems the writers lost the meaning of word subtle somewhere along the way.

Make recurring characters useful to the storyline. Bill Dow's character in this episode was a joke. I like that character and the humor that it brings to the show, but they just overdid it. Believing that someone who makes that many mistakes is employed in such important organization is ridiculous.

Sorry about the rant, but I just wanted to throw some thoughts out there.

I tend to agree with you. I prefer the old formula -- action/adventure with a little humor thrown in. Now all we seem to get is slapstick with a thready plot. And it's not like TBTB can't do SG-1 like they used to -- I'm seeing the old formula on Atlantis.

ShardsofGlass
February 25th, 2006, 06:16 AM
I really liked Mitchell in this ep. It was just a notch toned down from OTG, but that made a big difference. He was still energetic and funny. I didn't see any grandstanding at all. His plan to go help Teal'c made a lot of sense -- he was gathering intel. And it's not like he could do much sitting on his hands at SGC anyway. And as it turns out, he was able to help.

ETA: The humor on SG-1 is what makes it stand out from other scifi shows, imo. For straight drama, BSG does it soooo much better that SG-1 comes across as shallow. But when it sticks to being a fun action-adventure show with a lot of humor, it really shines. This ep was a good example of that.

nccjones
February 25th, 2006, 06:32 AM
I'm surprised at the somewhat positive reviews. I figured a lot of people would have hated this episode mainly because of Mitchel and his arrogant, "I don't have to follow orders and I know everything," attitude. I defend Mitchel most of the time, but this time i really found him annoying. I really hope their going to acknowledge the way he's been acting lately seeing as how the other team members seem to hint more and more at their distaste for his attitude. I think that if they do acknowledge it... this could be good Mitchel character development and the writers won't write him so obnoxious anymore and a little more serious.

I'm definately not speaking for anyone on this board, but from my perspective and how I felt about it is, that it looks like many enjoyed the Sam and Daniel aspect of the show. They enjoyed that both Sam and Daniel reverted back to their old selves and were the science twins agains. But I'm also getting from most of the posts, that even though Mitchell wasn't as "annoying" as in other episodes, he was still his same self with being stupid and going off world while he was phased out to be with Teal'c. I even think Teal'c's response to seeing him showed that even he thought he was stupid....lol.

No, for me, Mitchell is lost. I'm not sure they can even fix him after all this time. Their mistake was filming the second half during the off period instead of like most shows where they film only a few weeks before air date. If they had done that, they would have seen fan reaction and could have fixed it before the season ended. Instead they kept Mitchell as this loud, abnoxious, wise cracking, go-in-think-later hero and thought it would endere to the fans and it backfired. Now it's too late and they are going to keep him that way and shove him down our throats and tell us he's great and we love him and bow down to the leader of SG1. That's my take on it.

Man, I can't believe I just wrote all that even though I really liked this episode...lol. But unfortunately, that's how I feel about Mitchell. He's the one factor that ruins a good episode for me. :(

donbernd
February 25th, 2006, 06:39 AM
whats the deal with this thing that kills ascended beings? how does that work

That somehow reminds me of something 'Q' said to Janeway in an Star Trek Voyager episode ..... the one with the war within the Q-Continuum.
"U would be suprised how innovative immotals can be if the final goal is to develop weapons to kill another immortal " :)

TechnoBoY
February 25th, 2006, 06:59 AM
I was surprised how much I enjoyed last nights episode! Probably cause I expected nothing from it, but I thought it was pretty decent.

Formerhost
February 25th, 2006, 07:04 AM
Aw, nuts. Now I gotta wait until next week to see it again. :danielanime08: :cool:

Not necessarily. Go to www.scifi.com/stargate and watch the preview there :)

sindicate
February 25th, 2006, 07:06 AM
I liked this one, SG3 all carrying G36s was cool, wife had a good laugh at the Brown boots and Olive Drab uniforms :rolleyes: women lol

Formerhost
February 25th, 2006, 07:06 AM
Because I love Daniel more than I dislike what the show is turning into.
Dana Jeanne

Aren't you exagerating a little bit? It was good episode IMO.

shockwave
February 25th, 2006, 07:27 AM
was an enjoyable ep
loved Dr. Lee
loved Landry "There is no dimension you can hide"
didn't like the wipeout of the Sodan, at least Haikon survived

Daniel's_twin
February 25th, 2006, 07:30 AM
was an enjoyable ep
loved Dr. Lee
loved Landry "There is no dimension you can hide"
didn't like the wipeout of the Sodan, at least Haikon survived

Yeah. Hope he makes a full recovery and is able to help out. :cool:

sindicate
February 25th, 2006, 07:33 AM
Not necessarily. Go to www.scifi.com/stargate and watch the preview there :)

Guess there's no question as to what class of ship the Korelev is

Deejay435
February 25th, 2006, 07:45 AM
I liked this one, SG3 all carrying G36s was cool, wife had a good laugh at the Brown boots and Olive Drab uniforms :rolleyes: women lol

Your wife is right! ;)

I have to admit, those bugged me too. Because I kept thinking they were barefoot, because of the color of the boots was so light.

sindicate
February 25th, 2006, 07:47 AM
It did look Quite funny I will admit lol

binkpmmc
February 25th, 2006, 07:49 AM
Good character interactions in this episode. Yay! I especially loved Sam and Daniel. Those 2 characters are great together (non-shippy) and I wish we'd see more of them. And I didn't even hate Mitchell. He did go off half cocked, but he was slightly more restrained than some times.

The continued probelm I have with Mitchell and his attitude of "look at me - the big man" is that, once again, one of the BIG 3, in this case poor Teal'c, had to save HIS sorry butt AGAIN. Yeah, Yeah big good selfless guy goes running off to "save" Teal'c and the Sodan - my a$$ - he could not have done anything in the state he was in and in the end he got into trouble AGAIN because the device was figured out but where was he - somewhere he should not have been and it got him into trouble and as a result Teal'c had to once again save him. What a plot tool.

On the other hand I really liked the Carter and Daniel interaction - it was like the good old days. The Science Twins solving the problem. The reactions of both to Daniel being in Carter's phase was great especially when Carter said that it would go faster now that Daniel was in her dimension and they both gave that shoulder hunch and grin.

I liked Lee but he is becoming a bit of a cliche himself - I wish TPTB would get over this obsession with silly, dumb-down humor and get back to what made the show great or good every week not just mediocre once in a while.

binkpmmc
February 25th, 2006, 07:54 AM
I'm definately not speaking for anyone on this board, but from my perspective and how I felt about it is, that it looks like many enjoyed the Sam and Daniel aspect of the show. They enjoyed that both Sam and Daniel reverted back to their old selves and were the science twins agains. But I'm also getting from most of the posts, that even though Mitchell wasn't as "annoying" as in other episodes, he was still his same self with being stupid and going off world while he was phased out to be with Teal'c. I even think Teal'c's response to seeing him showed that even he thought he was stupid....lol.

No, for me, Mitchell is lost. I'm not sure they can even fix him after all this time. Their mistake was filming the second half during the off period instead of like most shows where they film only a few weeks before air date. If they had done that, they would have seen fan reaction and could have fixed it before the season ended. Instead they kept Mitchell as this loud, abnoxious, wise cracking, go-in-think-later hero and thought it would endere to the fans and it backfired. Now it's too late and they are going to keep him that way and shove him down our throats and tell us he's great and we love him and bow down to the leader of SG1. That's my take on it.

Man, I can't believe I just wrote all that even though I really liked this episode...lol. But unfortunately, that's how I feel about Mitchell. He's the one factor that ruins a good episode for me. :(

Well that's it for me too. Well spoken. I will say again, I lilked Browder in FS - here as Mitchell - nope - too bad it is such a poorly written and conceived character.

captainpash
February 25th, 2006, 08:37 AM
yeah. the plots are so thin and rife with convenient bits that you really can't take them seriously. cause if you do you just spend all your time noticing how tossed together and sloppy they are

and i second the person, what the heck was sg12 doing in desert boots? and where the heck did these elbow and knee pads come from? were they expecting some roller hockey with the sodan or something?

The knee, and elbow pads are used in real Special Forces situtations, and the plots are not thin.

For all of you who think the old episodes are so great I give you this line. "Surrender the building is full of secrutiy." That was in the episode the tollan speices was wiped out. I mean come on that was suck a bad line, there are more bad lines from the orginals. The old episodes are like the 50's. We have so romanticized them, that we really don't remeber them all to well.

KRiZ
February 25th, 2006, 08:43 AM
Right firstly people complaining about it being recent development in stargate for rushing all the pieces into place to set up the finale?

right Season 1 penultimate ep, daniel really conveniently gets sent to an alternate reality and learns apophis is on his way, oh and conveniently finds out the gate address for apophis' staging grounds (we find this is in fact his mothership) meaning SG-1 now have an incredible leg up in trying to avoid the invasion.

so this setup is in fact longer, as the first pieces were laid in ripple effect with the "second beachhead" comments.

other similar short conveniences s6, full circle, what anubis suddenly has this super weapon, and the eye of ra just happens to be in a friendly and easily located place, (which of course daniel never found in his year on the planet)

s5 is exempt because it was just plain weird ending.

warmbeachbrat
February 25th, 2006, 08:53 AM
Does anyone else have trouble staying subscribed to episode threads? This is the second time that I've posted in a thread, received notifications and updates in "my controls" and then it quit after a day or two and I have to post another comment to resubscribe. Lucky for me, I guess, that I have more to say after reading everyone's comments.

Dr. Lee is my favorite character and I'm always happy to see him in an episode, he's guaranteed to always make me laugh. But I'm a little disturbed at how he's being written these days. He's always seemed a little befuddled to me, but at least he's always been a competent scientist. Now they're just writing him as an incompetent befuddled scientist. I think there's plenty of scope for humor without sacrificing his abilities. Also, it wasn't quite believable to me that one or two little key strokes on the keyboard would deplete the power supply of that ancient device.

I wonder why they didn't think of purposely sending Daniel to the other dimension to decipher the writing himself? I know there was a possibility of him not getting back, but it would make sense for the solution to be there and be implemented. Perhaps an acceptable risk (if they didn't write Dr. Lee as so bumbling).

Loved the double jeopardy line! Hated the miniaturization theory. Sad to see the Sodan wiped out--I wish it could have been written another way.

Interesting that even though Teal'c had to save his sorry hide, that Mitchell was the one who grabbed the control crystal. When the plan was made to blow up Volnek, I wondered if that would blow up the crystal as well--didn't seem to be totally thought through to me. Good thing Mitchell grabbed it.

I'm not at all bothered by Teal'c's shirt or double weapon. I guess if you think about it, he's a pretty burly guy and if he's not carrying the staff weapon anymore (which requires two hands), why shouldn't he carry two weapons. Obviously he can handle them, and it seems like a good idea to be able to fire in two directions or spray over a wide area or one after the other in close succession. I don't suppose it would be believeable for a human, but it would for a Jaffa--at least for me.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for Myrddin to make a weapon against the ancients. The ancients aren't perfect, which I'm sure he was aware of. He's taking the long view and being proactive.

Anyway, I really enjoyed the show and I'm sad to see the season coming to a close--only two more episodes. *sigh*

Daniel's_twin
February 25th, 2006, 08:55 AM
Does anyone else have trouble staying subscribed to episode threads? This is the second time that I've posted in a thread, received notifications and updates in "my controls" and then it quit after a day or two and I have to post another comment to resubscribe. Lucky for me, I guess, that I have more to say after reading everyone's comments.

*snip*

Yeah, I also have that problem sometimes. I had to post this morning just to ensure that I stayed subscribed to this thread. :cool:

Skydiver
February 25th, 2006, 08:58 AM
You know, I wouldn't have minded Lee's mistake when he sent Daniel out of phase so much, if it weren't for the Honey I Shrunk the Kids moment earlier.

Sending Daniel out of phase was an accident based on research into the problem and some understanding of what had happened. It wasn't an out of the blue thing. It wouldn't have seemed so stupid to me, if they hadn't already played him up as an idiot who watches too many kids movies.
yeah, they sacrificed lee's competance to get a quick joke in.

ok, let's see what's more plausible

going out of phase. well that's happened to daniel before, we got the reetou that exist out of phase, it's a canon established idea

miniturization - yeah, ok, doubts are in if that's even physically possible since all that mass that you lose HAS to go somewhere. It's like if you shrink a photo down in photoshop, you can't then expand it and make it big again without itlooking like crud because photoshop has already thrown away all those extra pixels it didn't need for the smaller pic

physics suggests that miniaturization won't work

so to hell with the established phenomenon, let's get in a disney joke

made NO sense at all and made lee look like a moron.

Skydiver
February 25th, 2006, 09:02 AM
Well that's it for me too. Well spoken. I will say again, I lilked Browder in FS - here as Mitchell - nope - too bad it is such a poorly written and conceived character.
mitch is so incoherently written that he's becoming a joke.

not only is he a maverick, he seems to be a maverick with a death wish. either that or they think for him to be the big man and hero he has to senselessly endanger his life on a weekly basis.

i do agree iwth sam and daniel's annoyance at him. they have this 'yeah, we'd love to kick him to the curb, but we're stuck with him. And the only reason we haven't assigned him to another team is cause at least we're experienced enough to fix what he screws up' attitutde.

Dani347
February 25th, 2006, 09:19 AM
Loved the double jeopardy line!


Man, I'm missing references left and right in this episode. When was this?

Mio
February 25th, 2006, 09:23 AM
Interesting. I suppose if anyone was to figure out how to combat an ascended being from this plane of existance, it would have to be an ascended being. It's interesting to know that that dimension shifting thing hides you from ascended beings. Raises questions about the Crystal Skull aliens.....

The question is: How does one target an ascended being with this weapon? Can it be used to kill Anubis and free Oma?

Side note: Dr. Lee is awesome.

captainpash
February 25th, 2006, 09:25 AM
mitch is so incoherently written that he's becoming a joke.

i do agree iwth sam and daniel's annoyance at him. they have this 'yeah, we'd love to kick him to the curb, but we're stuck with him. And the only reason we haven't assigned him to another team is cause at least we're experienced enough to fix what he screws up' attitutde.

Or the only reason they haven't applied for a transfere. He is their boss. Also, he may be annoying, but he gets the job done. Teel'ca would probably be dead if Cam hadn't done the distraction thing.

Daniel's_twin
February 25th, 2006, 09:29 AM
Interesting. I suppose if anyone was to figure out how to combat an ascended being from this plane of existance, it would have to be an ascended being. It's interesting to know that that dimension shifting thing hides you from ascended beings. Raises questions about the Crystal Skull aliens.....

The question is: How does one target an ascended being with this weapon? Can it be used to kill Anubis and free Oma?

Side note: Dr. Lee is awesome.

No. They could be anywhere in the universe, and I'm going to assume that the weapon doesn't just get something typed in that says something like "kill Anubis", and it'll do it. I think like any other weapon, you would need something to actually target, which is a little difficult if you have no idea where they are. :cool:

The Engineer
February 25th, 2006, 09:31 AM
I liked this episode.

warmbeachbrat
February 25th, 2006, 09:35 AM
Man, I'm missing references left and right in this episode. When was this?

Ack! I can't quite remember. I think it was when they were trying to figure out what happened to Sam and Mitchell. Mitchell said something like, "and for the double jeopardy..." I just remember it making me laugh because I love Jeopardy.


Edit: I wanted to green you for the following quote, but I have to spread it around first. It sums up my feelings about the matter exactly:


Okay, while there were definite flaws in his idea, and a lot of coincidences would have to fall into place for it to work, I think Mitchell's idea to take advantage of his out of phaseness to gather intel (which was one thing he could do) wasn't such a bad idea. Like I said, definite flaws (relaying the info) and coincidences (if there was info that could help rescue Teal'c, then someone would have had to fix the out of phase problem at the right moment to tell). And, while it was extremely impulsive idea, and the whole rushing off without considering things like I mentioned wasn't the smartest thing, I don't get a "need to play hero" thing, myself. I get a "hears someone Mitchell respects and is beginning to care about is in trouble, and he can't handle just sitting around. He needs to feel like he's doing something." The feelings behind the actions (my interpretation of them, anyway) are ones that I don't think are bad.

I suppose he also felt that being out of phase, nothing could harm him, so it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Besides, nothing bad happened to Daniel in Crystal Skull, so he was looking at that as something of a precedent.

Dani347
February 25th, 2006, 09:51 AM
Ack! I can't quite remember. I think it was when they were trying to figure out what happened to Sam and Mitchell. Mitchell said something like, "and for the double jeopardy..." I just remember it making me laugh because I love Jeopardy.

Oh, okay. I thought they made some connection to the Stargate episode Double Jeopardy.

AGateFan
February 25th, 2006, 09:53 AM
I've gotten to the point that if Mitchell only annoys me for half the episode, it's a good one for me. And I liked everything else so much, that Maverick!Mitchell's grandstanding wasn't enough to make me dislike the episode.

I do have some hope that this is going to be addressed, just because the others are starting to show more and more annoyance at his behavior. And unless Daniel and Sam lied to Landry, he's going to know about the going off unauthorized like that as well.
Landry would probably give him another medal. Such is the writing this year.
Mitchell can do no wrong, anything that he does do wrong is treated as if it is right and he gets rewarded, thus why should he ever be any different.

Zoser
February 25th, 2006, 09:57 AM
I agree with Dana_Jeanne for the most part but I was somewhat mindlessly entertained - I was babysitting two puppies both in my lap and didn't concentrate on the show


Two thumbs down and both feet. Stupid, ridiculous episode and someone please shoot Mitchell for me. Or stuff something in his impatient, know-it-all MOUTH.

Crsytal Skull did it first and much, much better.

Started out bad: previously on... was all Mitchell.
I kept thinking how much better this would have been if it had been Jack http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e312/Zzoser/fieldJackguns.gif


What's with Mr Rambo Teal'c and his two handed guns lately? And that sleeveless T-shirt has gotten really really really old.
Rambo and the Terminator both came to mind


There were bits I liked-- Daniel and Sam were adorable. Liked them trying to translate the ancient, one letter at a time.
Best part of the episode - seems like old times! :daniel: :sam:



For some reason they seem to be writing Bill Lee more and more inept which sucks.
I like the snarky guy of Paradise Lost



I LOATHE Mitchell calling Daniel "Jackson."

Mitchell doesn't belong on SG-1 or even in the SGC. He's a hot-headed, arrogant twit who seems to think he's God's gift to the SGC. Don't like him. Get rid of him PLEASE.

I'm tired of seeing all our allies continually killed off. Not that I cared about the Sodan since I find the Jaffa stuff BORING, but still.
Jaffa Zombies, how novel!



Next week's preview? I'm sure we can all be forgiven for thinking they're going to be showing FARGATE next friday night.

Pfffhtttt.

I'm so hanging on to this show by a CRACKING fingernail.

Dana Jeanne
Vala's return - Oh expletive deleted! I'll go play with the puppies next Friday.

LaCroix
February 25th, 2006, 09:59 AM
Man, I'm missing references left and right in this episode. When was this?


Actually it was the Daily Double. It's a referance to horse racing i.e. gambling , kinda like the trifecta (sp) remark Mitchell made earlier.

MediaSavant
February 25th, 2006, 10:09 AM
No, for me, Mitchell is lost. I'm not sure they can even fix him after all this time. Their mistake was filming the second half during the off period instead of like most shows where they film only a few weeks before air date. If they had done that, they would have seen fan reaction and could have fixed it before the season ended.

What makes you think the PTB would pay attention only to your POV and ignore all the people who are liking Mitchell?

Zoser
February 25th, 2006, 10:14 AM
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Wow, good thing scifi just told us what was going to happen in the preview or I may actually be concerned something bad just happened.

The Blue Jello thing now must be the scientist food of choice.

Isn't this breakfast time - jello for breakfast - ick



Talk louder Carter, that will help….you work with morons:)
It always works when speaking to someone in a foreign language.



Well, I really wasn’t paying that much attention, but it seemed like an ok episode.
Some funny lines, some decent action, zombies are always a plus I suppose.Zombies!

warmbeachbrat
February 25th, 2006, 10:17 AM
Actually it was the Daily Double. It's a referance to horse racing i.e. gambling , kinda like the trifecta (sp) remark Mitchell made earlier.

Boy, do I feel dumb! Ah well, there were many other nice moments in the episode for me.

Dani347
February 25th, 2006, 10:18 AM
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Isn't this breakfast time - jello for breakfast - ick



Never too early in the day to eat something sweet, imo. Now, I would have picked something super unhealthy, calorie laden, sugar heavy for breakfast, but I'd take jello if it was there.

Zoser
February 25th, 2006, 10:21 AM
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That marine(?) colonel left there with Teal'c was a little whiney, Teal'c needed to smack him upside the head. Was glad when Colonel Reynolds got there, he's ideal military.



Wasn't he explaining things to Teal'c that Teal'c probably knew better the he?

Again - Zats - Why didn't they use a zat against the zombie. It would have brought him down so they could have retrieved the crystal. Blowing the guy up (as well as shooting him filled with holes) while he possessed something vital seemed stupid.

warmbeachbrat
February 25th, 2006, 10:21 AM
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Isn't this breakfast time - jello for breakfast - ick

Wasn't Sam up all night? Maybe she requested some--it might not have seemed like breakfast to her.

Zoser
February 25th, 2006, 10:22 AM
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Lee was aggravating. Is it just me, or didn't he used to be smart?

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Do you think he has become the Felger replacement?

LaCroix
February 25th, 2006, 10:23 AM
Boy, do I feel dumb! Ah well, there were many other nice moments in the episode for me.


Don't be. I used to live in an area where there was a lot of horse racing. The results were often played on one channel in the area. That's where I learned
the terms.

Skydiver
February 25th, 2006, 10:23 AM
Landry would probably give him another medal. Such is the writing this year.
Mitchell can do no wrong, anything that he does do wrong is treated as if it is right and he gets rewarded, thus why should he ever be any different.
yep. mitch is the marty sue of the show. especially in an A&P episode.

alan writes mitch as the irascible flouting authority but is right in the end character and peter does little to tone him down.

now he was better - to me - in this eps than he was in OTG, but it's definitely a pattern that's developing.

someone seems to have the idea that to be a hero one must flout authority, senseless endanger thier lives, go for the long shot, quip off and generally have more than the normal daily requirement of arrogance :)

it's just be nice if competance and common sense were included more often. it would certainly make him a more rounded character

Zoser
February 25th, 2006, 10:24 AM
Wasn't Sam up all night? Maybe she requested some--it might not have seemed like breakfast to her.
It is what Dr. Lee brought in shortly after Sam and Cam disappeared.

Skydiver
February 25th, 2006, 10:24 AM
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Do you think he has become the Felger replacement?
or maybe they wanted felger for this eps and wrote it that way but couldn't get the actor?????

contact2918
February 25th, 2006, 10:26 AM
I thought Carter would've used the ancient device to communicate to Daniel better (yeah, Daniel had a line that said that they shouldn't mess with the keyboard too much but with just two buttons, one can communicate via Morse code).

I thought the same thing, but then again... How does one type ancient in morris code? ;)

warmbeachbrat
February 25th, 2006, 10:27 AM
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Do you think he has become the Felger replacement?


:eek: Say it ain't so!!!

I mean I like Felger, but they only need one of him. Dr. Lee has his own special charm and changing him into Felger would just destroy it!

warmbeachbrat
February 25th, 2006, 10:29 AM
It is what Dr. Lee brought in shortly after Sam and Cam disappeared.

Uh, yeah--that was kind of my point. I thought she might have asked him to bring her some since she had been up all night. I seem to remember reading in several places that Sam liked blue jello, so that's why I was thinking that.

warmbeachbrat
February 25th, 2006, 10:31 AM
or maybe they wanted felger for this eps and wrote it that way but couldn't get the actor?????

That would make me feel quite a bit better--as long as Dr Lee goes back to his normal competent self.

contact2918
February 25th, 2006, 10:32 AM
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Wasn't he explaining things to Teal'c that Teal'c probably knew better the he?

Again - Zats - Why didn't they use a zat against the zombie. It would have brought him down so they could have retrieved the crystal. Blowing the guy up (as well as shooting him filled with holes) while he possessed something vital seemed stupid.

I think the marine was trying to process the risks in his own mind rather than telling Teal'c anything he didn't already know. (not to mention expositioning for those slow on the uptake at home) ;)

Zats probably wouldn't have worked. One of those things they used on the Kull warriors might have, but I don't think that had one of those at the time.

DEM
February 25th, 2006, 10:34 AM
Does anyone else have trouble staying subscribed to episode threads? This is the second time that I've posted in a thread, received notifications and updates in "my controls" and then it quit after a day or two and I have to post another comment to resubscribe.Yes.

Once again, lassisitude sets in and I use someone else's post as a jumping-off point. :)


Dr. Lee is my favorite character and I'm always happy to see him in an episode, he's guaranteed to always make me laugh. But I'm a little disturbed at how he's being written these days. He's always seemed a little befuddled to me, but at least he's always been a competent scientist. Now they're just writing him as an incompetent befuddled scientist.Though I don't dislike him, Dr Lee has never been a fave of mine, really, because he's not believable. The first problem was that he was too multi-function ("Say, what's his specialty going to be THIS week?"). Now he's a goof.


I wonder why they didn't think of purposely sending Daniel to the other dimension to decipher the writing himself? I know there was a possibility of him not getting back, but it would make sense for the solution to be there and be implemented. Perhaps an acceptable risk (if they didn't write Dr. Lee as so bumbling).Or if McCullough didn't write Carter as so... nothing. Yeah, she shouted ineffectually at the Gate techs, and yeah, she pushed buttons for Daniel -- AFTER Mitchell surrendered the task. Beyond that? A whole lotta nada. No critical thinking, no problem-solving, nothing but standing around and waiting.


Interesting that even though Teal'c had to save his sorry hide, that Mitchell was the one who grabbed the control crystal. When the plan was made to blow up Volnek, I wondered if that would blow up the crystal as well--didn't seem to be totally thought through to me. Good thing Mitchell grabbed it.Yes, because where would we be without Mitchell to save the day -- by bucking the system and having someone else save his hide. :rolleyes: Enough already!

I had the same question about the plan to blow the guy up.

Overall, I'd give the ep just shy of 'fair'. Strong characterisations of Teal'c and Daniel, nice interplay between Carter & Daniel, Landry didn't annoy me, and I'm almost inured to Mitchell's braying and flailing about. OTOH, Carter just sorta faded away partway through, and the transitions between the tone of the Sodan storyline and the out-of-phase storyline were shaky at best. In addition, I didn't experience any drama or tension in the out-of-phase story.

The blue jell-o was for Carter.

Zoser
February 25th, 2006, 10:34 AM
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Dr. Lee needs to stop watching Disney movies.

I thought the same thing - "Honey I shrunk SG-1"



Why were the guys with Teal'c wearing desert camo footwear? I kept thinking they were barefoot, and it was disturbing.
Wasn't that strange?


Mitchell didn't annoy me till the very end. That's a good thing. I thought they dragged the 'Mitchell loves food' gag on way too long, but other than that, he didn't bother me too much.

I did roll my eyes at his insistance on going to 'save' Teal'c when he was out of phase and couldn't do anything to actually help. But it wasn't till the end, when he was running for the claymores and STOPPED to taunt Zombie guy that he really bugged me. That was way too much grandstanding, and "Aren't I just so clever." There was no reason to stop. Valnek(?) was following him. He would have hit the claymores without Mitchell amusing himself.

And Mitchell's amusing himself then put himself in danger, from which Teal'c then had to rescue him.

I did like the interplay between Sam and Daniel about Cam going off on his own again. I'm glad that the other characters seem annoyed by this character trait of Cameron's as well. I also wonder if that was part of the reason Teal'c didn't hesitate to try to slug him. Even if he knew it wouldn't actually hurt him, it seemed to bother Cam, and maybe that was the point.
I wonder if they are as sick of him as I am?



Oh, and I forgot, Colonel Reynolds was there! And he was snarky. Go Reynolds! I rather like him. I worry for him, though, the rate they're killing off recurring characters.
I like Reynolds, ergo, he must be doomed.

the fifth man
February 25th, 2006, 10:34 AM
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Do you think he has become the Felger replacement?

Hopefully not entirely. He can be pretty funny at times, but I agree that there should be limits to it. There should be only one Felger. That's more than enough for the SGC to handle already.:)

prion
February 25th, 2006, 10:51 AM
I gave up reading this thread due to all the arguing.

Anyway, it was an okay episode. Something I could tape and watch later because the invisibility stuff has been done before, and well, it wasn't exciting. I do still like the characters, but.... please for heaven's sake stop having Teal'c shooting everything with two guns. It's ridiculous macho posturing.

But the end wrapped up too quickly, should have had a small scene back at base.

Need new writers, well, need BETTER new writers, I should say.

the fifth man
February 25th, 2006, 10:56 AM
Need new writers, well, need BETTER new writers, I should say.

Ouch! That stings a little.:)

entil2001
February 25th, 2006, 11:03 AM
Despite the fact that this is not advertised or officially designated as the first part of a three-part arc ending the season, this is an episode with number of lingering plot threads. The ending is especially annoying, because the episode doesn’t so much end as stop because it was time to stop. Granted, one doesn’t expect a secret weapon that could be used against ascended beings to come into play until the season finale.

Actually, I have to wonder if the writers would take things in a very different direction. After all, the Priors are supposed to be in the Milky Way for the purposes of wiping out the Ancients so the Ori can step in and take control. Finding the weapon that Merlin created to take down the Ancients himself would be useful against the Ori, but it would also be useful to the Priors.

One nice touch is the tie-in to the first few episodes of the season. Previously, the allusions to Arthurian mythology seemed out of place and somewhat gratuitous. It still feels that way, frankly, but at least it’s going somewhere. I didn’t catch any explanation for how Arthurian mythology fit into the story as it stands, but perhaps that will be pulled together before long.

While the “alternate universe” plot thread was mostly a means of slipping in the exposition regarding the Merlin/Arthur’s Mantle concept, I liked that it was interwoven into the Sodan plot thread. Unfortunately, the Sodan plot thread annoyed me to no end. The Sodan were a nice way to riff on the Jaffa while tying them directly into the Ori arc. Now, that’s not possible, because the Sodan are dead. And they were killed by a Sodan warrior turned into an Ori Zombie, which was just a bit lame.

That’s not to say that the episode was lacking in redeeming qualities. The interplay between Mitchell and Teal’c is becoming one of the best features of the show, which will serve as a nice complement, I’m sure, to future Daniel/Vala banter. And though Sam is often the odd one out in such cases, she has a great rapport with Daniel in this episode. I was also amused by Dr. Lee and his usual antics, which could have been a lot more tiresome.

This episode continues to bring the season back in the direction of the arc that dominated the first half of the ninth season, and presumably, the seeds for the tenth season are also being planted. While the producers and writers still talk about loosening the arc structure even more (thus returning to a format that I found tiresome by the fifth season), there’s still enough question about the future of the series to force plot threads to be more prominent and connective.

Zoser
February 25th, 2006, 11:06 AM
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I'm not at all bothered by Teal'c's shirt or double weapon. I guess if you think about it, he's a pretty burly guy and if he's not carrying the staff weapon anymore (which requires two hands), why shouldn't he carry two weapons. Obviously he can handle them, and it seems like a good idea to be able to fire in two directions or spray over a wide area or one after the other in close succession. I don't suppose it would be believeable for a human, but it would for a Jaffa--at least for me.


Since you can only see in one direction at a time firing in two separate direction is at best fool hardy at worst - friendly fire accident.

JUNIOR
February 25th, 2006, 11:09 AM
mitch is so incoherently written that he's becoming a joke.

not only is he a maverick, he seems to be a maverick with a death wish. either that or they think for him to be the big man and hero he has to senselessly endanger his life on a weekly basis.

i do agree iwth sam and daniel's annoyance at him. they have this 'yeah, we'd love to kick him to the curb, but we're stuck with him. And the only reason we haven't assigned him to another team is cause at least we're experienced enough to fix what he screws up' attitutde.

I have to disagree with the death wish part of your post Skydiver. Yes he is a maverick but in my opinion that’s what makes him likeable. I think he just looks at himself as the new member of the team and he sees all of the accomplishments and self sacrifice that the Original SG-1 has been involved with and feels he has to prove himself (most of the time getting the team into more trouble than they asked for), but to me this is what makes him likable because he’s trying to fit in with “the big 3" as some people might called them (hate that phrase), and he’s not just sitting back any saying I'll just let "The Big 3" figure out this problem and I’ll just sit back and take notes. If he did that he might as well be an extra who gets killed in the episode. It seems to me that this is the only way that he is going to get experience, and become an asset to the team by learning from his bone headed mistakes like the original SG-1 did. Some people believe that when he went off world with the extraction team that it was a huge mistake, but it actually turned out to help Teal’c from being stranded off world. He was sort of invincible at the time anyways so why not. If the SG team didn't survive he’d at least know what happen to them and he’d also have valuable intelligence that the Priors can turn people into powerful zombies who look like they have rabies. Yes its true that “The Big 3” seem very much annoyed with his actions but its still my belief that he will learn from his less than wise choices in the future or he will be destroyed by the power of the Ori. LOL!!!!

Dani347
February 25th, 2006, 11:10 AM
This is another case of me seeing things differently from people when it comes to the view of "Mitchell saving the day." (Man, do you know how hard it is to write a sentence when you're worrying that the wrong turn of phrase will sound dismissive/accusatory?) Just like in Stronghold, I feel that Mitchell played a small part in helping, but he didn't singlehandedly save the day.

And, I thought this was a nice episode for Sam, just character-wise. No, she didn't solve anything, but she got to just be pretty delightful, imo. I thought she played off everyone nicely, even characters that couldn't see her, like when she was trying to get them to notice the variance or whatever, and got frustrated.

But, hey, I'm also the person who thought Stronghold was a great episode for Daniel, and a lot of people felt he was wallpapered in that.

Skydiver
February 25th, 2006, 11:15 AM
Or if McCullough didn't write Carter as so... nothing. Yeah, she shouted ineffectually at the Gate techs, and yeah, she pushed buttons for Daniel -- AFTER Mitchell surrendered the task. Beyond that? A whole lotta nada. No critical thinking, no problem-solving, nothing but standing around and waiting.
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maybe that's another thing of his. he writes mitch as a goof and has no idea what to do with sam, so she's....there. hey, on the upside amanda has less lines to memorize. :)



Yes, because where would we be without Mitchell to save the day -- by bucking the system and having someone else save his hide. :rolleyes: Enough already!
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of COURSE he does. he's the HEWO.

how about just writing him as competant and let the hero stuff take care of itself?




I had the same question about the plan to blow the guy up.
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and there was another plot hole. zombie boy has the crystal to make the beamie thing work...likely on his person. which kinda makes blowing him up to be sorta silly since the crystal stands a dang good chance of blowing up with him.

then again, i'm sure the other alternative would be for odyssey to come and beam them all to safety AGAIN, so at least they did something different

Zoser
February 25th, 2006, 11:16 AM
Zats probably wouldn't have worked. One of those things they used on the Kull warriors might have, but I don't think that had one of those at the time.
The zats didn't work on the Kull warriors because of their armor not their physical structure. This Sodan zombie wasn't wearing Kull armor.

Skydiver
February 25th, 2006, 11:19 AM
I have to disagree with the death wish part of your post Skydiver. Yes he is a maverick but in my opinion that’s what makes him likeable. I think he just looks at himself as the new member of the team and he sees all of the accomplishments and self sacrifice that the Original SG-1 has been involved with and feels he has to prove himself (most of the time getting the team into more trouble than they asked for), but to me this is what makes him likable because he’s trying to fit in with “the big 3" as some people might called them (hate that phrase), and he’s not just sitting back any saying I'll just let "The Big 3" figure out this problem and I’ll just sit back and take notes. If he did that he might as well be an extra who gets killed in the episode. It seems to me that this is the only way that he is going to get experience, and become an asset to the team by learning from his bone headed mistakes like the original SG-1 did. Some people believe that when he went off world with the extraction team that it was a huge mistake, but it actually turned out to help Teal’c from being stranded off world. He was sort of invincible at the time anyways so why not. If the SG team didn't survive he’d at least know what happen to them and he’d also have valuable intelligence that the Priors can turn people into powerful zombies who look like they have rabies. Yes its true that “The Big 3” seem very much annoyed with his actions but its still my belief that he will learn from his less than wise choices in the future or he will be destroyed by the power of the Ori. LOL!!!!
oh i doubt he'll be destroyed by the ori. his name is first in the credits, he's immune :)

and i can see him wanting to prove himself. but if he wants to learn from the best, why won't he listen? why does he have to keep ignoring the wisdom of the experienced ones to touch that or touch this or do this or risk his life?

sg-1 hasn't survived for 9 years by being stupid

if he wants to learn from them i'd expect to hear him asking 'what should we do' instead of his normal 'ok, here's what i'm gonna do' and them just tagging along behind him, picking up the pieces

JUNIOR
February 25th, 2006, 11:27 AM
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Wasn't he explaining things to Teal'c that Teal'c probably knew better the he?

Again - Zats - Why didn't they use a zat against the zombie. It would have brought him down so they could have retrieved the crystal. Blowing the guy up (as well as shooting him filled with holes) while he possessed something vital seemed stupid.

Energy weapons might not work in that phase of dimension, or what ever it was.

nccjones
February 25th, 2006, 11:33 AM
What makes you think the PTB would pay attention only to your POV and ignore all the people who are liking Mitchell?

Because it's not just my POV from the threads I'm reading. I'm glad you like Mitchell and it's working out for you. For me....nah, not so much.

JUNIOR
February 25th, 2006, 12:00 PM
oh i doubt he'll be destroyed by the ori. his name is first in the credits, he's immune :)

Yeah that’s true, and maybe when the box set comes out it will say BB's Stargate SG-1. LOL!!!


[and i can see him wanting to prove himself. but if he wants to learn from the best, why won't he listen? why does he have to keep ignoring the wisdom of the experienced ones to touch that or touch this or do this or risk his life?

Yeah he could ask the others what they think or suggest sometimes but I like it when he just goes off without really sitting and thinking about it because he allows himself to get into situations that IMHO just adds to the story. IMO that character trait also gives him the opportunity to hopefully reflect (Just thought of the Ancient Avalon puzzle) upon his action in future situations and say "nah, I don't think I’ll go doing that again".


[sg-1 hasn't survived for 9 years by being stupid

if he wants to learn from them i'd expect to hear him asking 'what should we do' instead of his normal 'ok, here's what i'm gonna do' and them just tagging along behind him, picking up the pieces

Hey you have to remember he’s read all of SG-1 reports when he was in the hospital so he knows that his team will save his a** when he gets in trouble. That's why he requested them in the first place because he'd probably be dead on any other team that wasn't good enough to save his a**. j/k LOL!!!

tsaxlady
February 25th, 2006, 12:20 PM
in many ways, the ori are like the borg

they were great enemies in small doses. but in a steady diet....well the trek folks beat the unbeatable so many times that it got old

again, this eps was enjoyable, but not becaue of the plot. the plot was paper thin. the only 'good' part for me were the character interactions

Okay I'm reading the thread from the beginning. I agree with you here Sky the best thing about this episode was the character interaction moments. Like Sam and Cam with the pushing each other and then later in the episode Sam and Daniel pushing on each other. The timing between the actors seems to be getting better.

I'm just ready for a story that has a better plot without so many holes. Great character moments will only go so far before the story had better be good to keep me interested.

JackGyver
February 25th, 2006, 12:45 PM
Well, a decent episode. Pardon me for not reading the whole thread. That's a bit much to work through. :) Some random thoughts...

I'm glad they referenced Crystal Skull, so at least they acknowledged their recycling of old plots. It makes it a little more tolerable/believable. I still didn't really care for that storyline though. Teal'c's was much more interesting and, frankly, I was pretty much over the "out of phase" story back when Ro Laren and Geordi LaForge had to deal with it. ;)

I'm really disappointed in Mitchell this week. First of all, there's the point that someone else brought up about his letting his emotions and impulses control him. Very bad form. And it's not even charming like when Shepperd does it. :P And then, on the flip side, he seems to not care that much about the entire Sodan village being destroyed once he gets there, and he seems to care even less about one of his Sodan friends being turned into a zombie that now must be blown into pieces. (I mean, this WAS the same Sodan he befriended, right? Am I wrong?) I mean, if they want to characterize Mitchell as a grade-A jerk (to put it nicely) then fine, but please make up your minds, TPTB. I love Teal'c's thinly vailed dislike of Cam. Good stuff. :D

I really like Dr. Lee, but I hate seeing him turned into the regular comic relief. He was much better as an occasional novelty character, as he was in Evolution and Resurrection.

REYNOLDS! So good to see him back and in excellent form. I just know he's going to die soon... TPTB are getting far too flippant with the lives of recurring characters, though I suppose it's pretty realistic in a military environment. I don't trust the writers anymore. :danielanime08:

Fargater
February 25th, 2006, 01:03 PM
Okay, anyone have a projectile vomitting smiley? I think I need one.
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Skydiver
February 25th, 2006, 01:09 PM
TESTING

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nope, didn't work :)

MediaSavant
February 25th, 2006, 01:09 PM
Because it's not just my POV from the threads I'm reading. I'm glad you like Mitchell and it's working out for you. For me....nah, not so much.

I didn't mean to intimate that you are the only one with a negative attitude toward Mitchell.

I guess, though, if it is your opinion is that if the PTB are listening at all to the fans, they'll be listening to the Anti-Mitchell notes and nothing else.

We'll see, I suppose, in Season 10. They may not have had the opportunity to "fix" the character to your liking because of the Season 9 production schedule.

If you (plural) have influence, we'll see them try to change Mitchell to be more like you(plural) want. If they aren't, there won't be much change.

Skydiver
February 25th, 2006, 01:10 PM
Hey you have to remember he’s read all of SG-1 reports when he was in the hospital so he knows that his team will save his a** when he gets in trouble. That's why he requested them in the first place because he'd probably be dead on any other team that wasn't good enough to save his a**. j/k LOL!!!

which is another similarity he has to jonas. in addition to reading daniels' notes, jonas also read mission reports.

which makes both of them the convenient 'i remember reading......' lead in to an expositionary 'let's refresh the viewers on the plot' segment

Maxum
February 25th, 2006, 01:11 PM
This was an excellent episode. Plain and simple.

Each of the characters of SG-1 were utilized beautifully, in my opinion. If I had to pick out the one word to describe the episode, it was "chemistry." All the characters on SG-1 did great:

Mitchell: Geez, he can't seem to do anything right for some people, but I think in this episode he finally found his stride. Ben Browder is NOT trying to be Richard Dean Anderson at all. Ben has always had great comedic timing, and he's been throwing the one-liners around for quite a while - for those who have seen his years on Farscape, they would know this to be true. If anything, I think he is trying to tone down is personality for the role of Mitchell. In Arthur's Mantle, Mitchell is genuinely relaxed around Sam, and it shows. There is a comfortable humor between them, and it seems apparent that he knows her better than he knows Daniel and Teal'c (and I don't mean shippy). It would make sense that they may know each other as friends as they are both military and probably move in the same circles. Mitchell wants to forge a friendship with Teal'c as well, I think it's also about the military aspect of their relationship. He can relate to Tea'c since they are both soilder types. The person he probably can't relate to well, at the moment, is Daniel. Daniel is all books, languages, and philosophy. Not exactly Mitchell's forte. This might explain why Mitchell referred to the team: Sam, Teal'c and Jackson. I have no problem with him calling Daniel "Jackson." It makes complete sense. As for Mitchell going off to help Teal'c and the Sodan, that's also plausible and NOT out of character or stupid. It was obvious that Mitchell was not going to be of any help on base. He doesn't know Ancient and he isn't a physics genius. He's a soilder. His argument to Sam was heartfelt and logical, and although Teal'c saved his life, it was Mitchell who preserved the crystal from getting blown up, and enabling the ENTIRE team to get home. Good job!

Sam: Loved her in this episode. It was the first episode where I got to see Sam really show her comic flare. She was great. It must be frustrating being such a genius when the other local doctors and scientists can't figure out simple things (well, simple to her, anyway). Sam and Daniel's scenes together were great, and they really do seem like brother and sister. Their easy banter and the way they seem to understand each other without all the explanations makes them a joy to watch. They really need to have more interaction together.

Daniel: Great, as always. You kind of knew that Daniel might be of help since he went through the out-of-phase thing in "Crystal Skull," but the episode had enough twists and turns that it kept me guessing as to how it would all end up. I like that Daniel was ultimately able to figure out what happened to Sam and Mitchell, and he just went with it. "Press this key for 'yes' and this key for 'no.'" I loved his scenes trying to explain to Landry what he thinks happened, and Mitchell is happily excited behind him as Daniel figures it out. Those scenes were just hilarious. I think Daniel and Dr. Lee also have wonderful chemisry together. I don't think that Dr. Lee is stupid at all, he's a geek. That's what makes him so loveable. He doesn't need to be brillant and serious - we have Sam and Daniel for that.

Teal'c: He was good in this episode as well, and it was more than just the "shoot and kill" thing that Teal'c ends up doing. He was really interacting with other SG-1 soilders, and that was a nice change of pace for me. I also really enjoy his chemistry with Mitchell. They are coming along nicely.

Overall, I give this a five out of five. I did not dislike one single thing about the episode. I laughed out loud several times. Have not done that in a while. I think every character made them enjoyable and likeable. If I were a brand new viewer, this episode would have hooked me. It certainly held my interest, and would have had me asking lots of questions about character relationships and such.

Bring on next week.

ShardsofGlass
February 25th, 2006, 01:15 PM
which is another similarity he has to jonas. in addition to reading daniels' notes, jonas also read mission reports.

which makes both of them the convenient 'i remember reading......' lead in to an expositionary 'let's refresh the viewers on the plot' segment

What's wrong with that? It's a heck of a lot less awkward than how they normally get the history across - which is by the characters telling each other things they already know. I think it's charming that Mitchell sat in his hospital bed reading all the reports. As someone who was stuck at home for 6 weeks straight with my own injury, I can tell you that you'll read just about anything to pass the time.

Fargater
February 25th, 2006, 01:15 PM
oh i doubt he'll be destroyed by the ori. his name is first in the credits, he's immune :)

and i can see him wanting to prove himself. but if he wants to learn from the best, why won't he listen? why does he have to keep ignoring the wisdom of the experienced ones to touch that or touch this or do this or risk his life?

sg-1 hasn't survived for 9 years by being stupid

if he wants to learn from them i'd expect to hear him asking 'what should we do' instead of his normal 'ok, here's what i'm gonna do' and them just tagging along behind him, picking up the pieces
Indeed!

And if he`s read all the mission reports, hasn`t he learned anything from those? They bring that up when they need to explain something and he rattles off something about this or that previous mission to help make the connection. But it doesn`t make sense for him to act so foolishly especially after reading all the reports.



Like back in Prototype, I think I was the only one who was mad that he pushed the button. Why the hell would he do that, especially after reading in countless reports things Jack must have written that likely basically said, "We encountered thus-and-such device, and against my recommendation Daniel proceeded to . . . " or whatever. I`m sure Jack would have worded it in the best possible light but still would have got the point across that he would have been more cautious with whatever the alien device was.

Anyway, one would think Cam would have more sense just from reading all the reports.

Formerhost
February 25th, 2006, 01:16 PM
I gave up reading this thread due to all the arguing.

Anyway, it was an okay episode. Something I could tape and watch later because the invisibility stuff has been done before, and well, it wasn't exciting. I do still like the characters, but.... please for heaven's sake stop having Teal'c shooting everything with two guns. It's ridiculous macho posturing.

But the end wrapped up too quickly, should have had a small scene back at base.

Need new writers, well, need BETTER new writers, I should say.

They really should call David Kemper...

ShardsofGlass
February 25th, 2006, 01:18 PM
Mitchell: Geez, he can't seem to do anything right for some people, but I think in this episode he finally found his stride. Ben Browder is NOT trying to be Richard Dean Anderson at all. Ben has always had great comedic timing, and he's been throwing the one-liners around for quite a while - for those who have seen his years on Farscape, they would know this to be true. If anything, I think he is trying to tone down is personality for the role of Mitchell. In Arthur's Mantle, Mitchell is genuinely relaxed around Sam, and it shows. There is a comfortable humor between them, and it seems apparent that he knows her better than he knows Daniel and Teal'c (and I don't mean shippy). It would make sense that they may know each other as friends as they are both military and probably move in the same circles. Mitchell wants to forge a friendship with Teal'c as well, I think it's also about the military aspect of their relationship. He can relate to Tea'c since they are both soilder types. The person he probably can't relate to well, at the moment, is Daniel. Daniel is all books, languages, and philosophy. Not exactly Mitchell's forte. This might explain why Mitchell referred to the team: Sam, Teal'c and Jackson. I have no problem with him calling Daniel "Jackson." It makes complete sense. As for Mitchell going off to help Teal'c and the Sodan, that's also plausible and NOT out of character or stupid. It was obvious that Mitchell was not going to be of any help on base. He doesn't know Ancient and he isn't a physics genius. He's a soilder. His argument to Sam was heartfelt and logical, and although Teal'c saved his life, it was Mitchell who preserved the crystal from getting blown up, and enabling the ENTIRE team to get home. Good job!

Totally agree with everything you just said. :)

mother-goose
February 25th, 2006, 01:19 PM
liked the ep, liked the acting, wasnt too sure why they didnt check why the bad dude was dead at the end. Liked everyones lines, didnt like dr lee being made out as a dumbass, watch earlier eps of the season (first 6) and he's very clever (everyone else has said it already i know) LOVED DUAL P90's, i've been waiting for teal'c to do that for years!

Formerhost
February 25th, 2006, 01:21 PM
What's wrong with that? It's a heck of a lot less awkward than how they normally get the history across - which is by the characters telling each other things they already know. I think it's charming that Mitchell sat in his hospital bed reading all the reports. As someone who was stuck at home for 6 weeks straight with my own injury, I can tell you that you'll read just about anything to pass the time.

I know something about it, as I'm exactly in the same situation right now :) Reading, Internet or DVDs.

JUNIOR
February 25th, 2006, 01:41 PM
which is another similarity he has to jonas. in addition to reading daniels' notes, jonas also read mission reports.

which makes both of them the convenient 'i remember reading......' lead in to an expositionary 'let's refresh the viewers on the plot' segment

To me he's more like Joe Spencer from Indian with a little Jonas because Jonas read all of SG-1's reports a month (I think) and Mitch. said that it took him that full year to read all of the reports when he was in that military hospital so he's definitely not as smart as Jonas, but like Jonas he wants to be an instant asset but some would argue he more of a liability (not in my opinion). The reason I think he's more like Joe's character is because he can be more of an admirer of his teammates sometimes instead of being a team leader. He also quotes and references SG-1 mission reports like it’s the Bible (he must get it from his bible thumping days with grandma). He basically acts sort of like I think a cross between Joe and Jonas would act if he was on an SG team, but unlike both of these two he seems tougher.

nccjones
February 25th, 2006, 02:18 PM
I didn't mean to intimate that you are the only one with a negative attitude toward Mitchell.

I guess, though, if it is your opinion is that if the PTB are listening at all to the fans, they'll be listening to the Anti-Mitchell notes and nothing else.

We'll see, I suppose, in Season 10. They may not have had the opportunity to "fix" the character to your liking because of the Season 9 production schedule.

If you (plural) have influence, we'll see them try to change Mitchell to be more like you(plural) want. If they aren't, there won't be much change.

To be honest, I don't expect any change and that was the point of my post. It's too late to do anything now. We are stuck with his OTT attitude and flippant quips and hero attitude.

I agree with you that he'll be back next year in ever Mitchell style. I really am glad you like him and I'm not being sarcastic in anyway. I don't want to come across that way. I wish I could like him so I could enjoy the entire show. But I still have the Big 3 to watch.

Who started the Big 3? I like that :) :tealc: :sam: :daniel:

binkpmmc
February 25th, 2006, 02:25 PM
mitch is so incoherently written that he's becoming a joke.

not only is he a maverick, he seems to be a maverick with a death wish. either that or they think for him to be the big man and hero he has to senselessly endanger his life on a weekly basis.

i do agree iwth sam and daniel's annoyance at him. they have this 'yeah, we'd love to kick him to the curb, but we're stuck with him. And the only reason we haven't assigned him to another team is cause at least we're experienced enough to fix what he screws up' attitutde.

Hey Sky - that's a great point. He's an inexperienced dolt who doesn't know when to sit back and "learn from the best" so he proceeds to make trouble and Carter and Daniel are annoyed with him being on SG1, at least seem to be from their expressions, eye rolls, annoyed glances, smirks and comments, but they figure they should keep him because they are the most experienced and the best ones to get him, and any one else, including the SGC, out of the trouble he gets into. Now maybe I can stomach him knowing they are just keeping him with SG1 so he doesn't screw up the world or the galaxy or some poor other planet or galaxy with his arrogant and very bad moves.

Fargater
February 25th, 2006, 02:34 PM
Okay, only read the first 5 pages plus the last 2, but this post has a lot of things to respond to, so. . .



This was an excellent episode. Plain and simple.

Each of the characters of SG-1 were utilized beautifully, in my opinion. If I had to pick out the one word to describe the episode, it was "chemistry." All the characters on SG-1 did great:

Mitchell: Geez, he can't seem to do anything right for some people, but I think in this episode he finally found his stride. Ben Browder is NOT trying to be Richard Dean Anderson at all. Ben has always had great comedic timing, and he's been throwing the one-liners around for quite a while - for those who have seen his years on Farscape, they would know this to be true. If anything, I think he is trying to tone down is personality for the role of Mitchell.
I never thought BB was trying to be like RDA, so I agree. Amen to the great comedic timing too. I think at first he or they were trying to tone down his personality for Cam, but I don`t like where they take him when they do turn him loose. I want more of the thoughtful Cam from the beginning of the season. He can do the one-liners and not be a doormat without also looking like an idiot, as he has too often in the later eps. If Cam`s read all the mission reports, he should have an even better idea of why he shouldn`t do most of the things they keep writing this character as doing.

I have to wonder what BB thinks of the character. When he got the part he watched all the seasons of SG-1 to get educated. I wonder if he agrees that this guy is believable at all for SG-1 the way they have him behave most of the time.



In Arthur's Mantle, Mitchell is genuinely relaxed around Sam, and it shows. There is a comfortable humor between them, and it seems apparent that he knows her better than he knows Daniel and Teal'c (and I don't mean shippy). It would make sense that they may know each other as friends as they are both military and probably move in the same circles. Mitchell wants to forge a friendship with Teal'c as well, I think it's also about the military aspect of their relationship. He can relate to Tea'c since they are both soilder types. The person he probably can't relate to well, at the moment, is Daniel. Daniel is all books, languages, and philosophy. Not exactly Mitchell's forte. This might explain why Mitchell referred to the team: Sam, Teal'c and Jackson. I have no problem with him calling Daniel "Jackson." It makes complete sense. As for Mitchell going off to help Teal'c and the Sodan, that's also plausible and NOT out of character or stupid. It was obvious that Mitchell was not going to be of any help on base. He doesn't know Ancient and he isn't a physics genius. He's a soilder. His argument to Sam was heartfelt and logical, and although Teal'c saved his life, it was Mitchell who preserved the crystal from getting blown up, and enabling the ENTIRE team to get home. Good job!
Thanks for posting this. I keep finding myself almost hating Cam the way they write him, and look desperately for posts that point out things maybe I`m missing. That said, I can`t agree with everything you said, but it was still nice to read it.

I did like the Sam/Cam interaction, like hitting each other. Like others have said, I immediately thought of the falling thru the floor issue. LOL

And I guess I really need to lighten up, because I was annoyed with Cam pestering Sam after she`d been up all night working on that thing to go and get hash browns. Go get `em yourself, and leave her the frell alone! But why interpret the scene that way? Why not see it as friendly concern and an attempt to get her away for a break? Hmm. Now he`s not so annoying.

And the food talk was funny to a point, but as others have said I thought it was a bit too much. Or not. A couple of ways to look at that. 1) Idiot is more concerned about missing out on roast beef than about their predicament. 2) Cam is not too concerned because hey, it`s happened before (he read the report!) and he`s confident Sam or Daniel will find the solution. The second interpretation is more pleasant. I gotta get that mindset more with this show.

I agree 100% with what you said about Cam`s reasoning to want to go to help the Sodan if possible. But IMO they ruined that for me by not having him show more (or really any) reaction to the news of Jolan`s(?) death at the hands of his own brother, or just a general reaction to the fate of the Sodan. More on the Sodan later. . .


Sam: Loved her in this episode. It was the first episode where I got to see Sam really show her comic flare. She was great. It must be frustrating being such a genius when the other local doctors and scientists can't figure out simple things (well, simple to her, anyway). Sam and Daniel's scenes together were great, and they really do seem like brother and sister. Their easy banter and the way they seem to understand each other without all the explanations makes them a joy to watch. They really need to have more interaction together.
Yeah, I enjoyed Sam in this one very much. Some people complained about her shouting at the people as if that would make them hear her, but lots of us have done similar things. I was LOL. And yeah, it must be frustrating to be right there and unable to tell them what she sees or to have them not see it.


Daniel: Great, as always. You kind of knew that Daniel might be of help since he went through the out-of-phase thing in "Crystal Skull," but the episode had enough twists and turns that it kept me guessing as to how it would all end up. I like that Daniel was ultimately able to figure out what happened to Sam and Mitchell, and he just went with it. "Press this key for 'yes' and this key for 'no.'" I loved his scenes trying to explain to Landry what he thinks happened, and Mitchell is happily excited behind him as Daniel figures it out. Those scenes were just hilarious. I think Daniel and Dr. Lee also have wonderful chemisry together. I don't think that Dr. Lee is stupid at all, he's a geek. That's what makes him so loveable. He doesn't need to be brillant and serious - we have Sam and Daniel for that.
Yep, I loved all that too, except I agree more with the people who feel that Dr. Lee is being reduced to comic relief at the expense of his brilliance. He used to be funny and brilliant, but this time they seemed to want him to be funny and inept. :(

Even though it was to me predictable that Daniel would be sent out of phase rather than bringing Sam back, I didn`t care. It wasn`t about "Oooh, now he`s out of phase!" but rather "Now how do they fix this?"


Teal'c: He was good in this episode as well, and it was more than just the "shoot and kill" thing that Teal'c ends up doing. He was really interacting with other SG-1 soilders, and that was a nice change of pace for me. I also really enjoy his chemistry with Mitchell. They are coming along nicely.
Agreed about the interaction with the other SG soldiers. Was nice to see that. One would think there`s probably more of that that we just don`t see, makes sense that there would be anyway with all the other people there. They don`t just work with their individual team, so it was nice to see.

Not sure how I feel about the two guns thing. I keep reading people either loving it or hating it, and all their reasons make sense to me. Maybe a compromise, like having one slung while he`s using the other, but having it ready on him would be mutually satisfactory? :tealc39:


Overall, I give this a five out of five. I did not dislike one single thing about the episode. I laughed out loud several times. Have not done that in a while. I think every character made them enjoyable and likeable. If I were a brand new viewer, this episode would have hooked me. It certainly held my interest, and would have had me asking lots of questions about character relationships and such.

Bring on next week.
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As for the Sodan, I was shocked and VERY disappointed at the lameness of their demise. Didn`t like the Ori Zombie thing, and it just didn`t seem fair to me that after the setup at the end of Babylon for a later confrontation between Volnek and Cam all we got was this blow-up-the-Zombie business. It wasted Volnek IMO to throw him away like that. I`d have preferred a more intellectual philosophical (and physical) conflict. Or was that already resolved by Haikon`s acceptance of our help in dealing with the Prior? Still might have made for some fun personal antagonism from Volnek to Cam.

Also now we`ve lost the Sodan? :cameronanime08b: :tealcanime49: :sam34: :danielanime07:
Another waste. I was looking forward to a much better use of that storyline. I couldn`t believe that these great warriors could be taken out by one Zombie, even if he`s one of their own. They couldn`t figure out that he was "cloaked" when he was doing his dirty work? Were none of the others ever cloaked when he was sneaking around killing people, or wouldn`t they have cloaked to hide and ambush whoever was doing this, and thus seen him and known who was responsible, and maybe been able to stop him?

Why did they even include the Sodan in this ep? There`s a connection between their cloaking technology and "Arthur`s Mantle", right? Okay, fine, but couldn`t they have made this connection without killing them all? :mad:
I`d have liked it better if they got to tell the Sodan about the device they found.

Also, are the Sodan out of phase when they`re cloaked? But they can`t be, or they wouldn`t be able to interact with (shoot) visible people, right? Or did they alter the original tech to be able to shoot visibles? Or is it just a gaping plot hole?:tealcanime49:

Dani347
February 25th, 2006, 02:46 PM
Yeah, I enjoyed Sam in this one very much. Some people complained about her shouting at the people as if that would make them hear her, but lots of us have done similar things. I was LOL. And yeah, it must be frustrating to be right there and unable to tell them what she sees or to have them not see it.

I think it was a natural thing for her to do. Okay, obviously I've never been out of phase, but I think I would do the same thing, sort of subconsiously thinking that if I talked louder, maybe their subconscious would be more intune to me. Or, maybe not even that deep. But, you tend to react like they can hear you. It's not any more unreasonable than her talking to them at any volume in the first place.




Even though it was to me predictable that Daniel would be sent out of phase rather than bringing Sam back, I didn`t care. It wasn`t about "Oooh, now he`s out of phase!" but rather "Now how do they fix this?"

Thinking about that scene, I think it would have been better without the bright light effect. Don't have any special effect, just have the scene, then they all realise that Daniel went out of phase, too. I mean, even if the audience figured out what would happen beforehand, I think it would have fit the effect better if they didn't show that Daniel had been sent out of phase before the characters figured it out.

Fargater
February 25th, 2006, 02:49 PM
:jack_new_anime05: :samanime24:
Hey Sky - that's a great point. He's an idiot who makes trouble and Carter and Daniel are annoyed with him being on SG1, at least seem to be from their expressions, eye rolls, annoyed glances, smirks and comments, but they figure they should keep him because they are the most experienced and the best ones to get him, and any one else, including the SGC, out of the trouble he gets into. Now maybe I can stomach him knowing they are just keeping him with SG1 so he doesn't screw up the world or the galaxy or some poor other planet or galaxy with his arrogant and very bad moves.
I just wish they`d write him better. It`s not realistic to expect Sam and Daniel to want to put up with him or anyone who`s that much of a liability. I can`t help thinking of the beginning of S6 when Jack couldn`t find a competent replacement for Daniel. When the replacement candidate screwed up, he got rid of that person without a backward glance. Of course they`re not as snarky as Jack but they don`t have to be. It just would make sense for Sam, as the ranking military person, to bring it up that maybe this guy is not SG-1 material. I hate saying so, and don`t want to hate Cam, but they`ve dug him a really deep hole of idiocy and incompetence that it would really be hard to write him out of. I just can`t imagine them keeping anyone else around who displayed that much dangerous incompetence, and it`s not fair that they did this to Cam, but it just makes it that much harder to enjoy the show with him written this way. And no, he`s not always an idiot, but it`s too much to be believable that this character would still be around.

<<lightbulb goes on>>
Is he the military version of Dr. Lee?
:jack_new_anime05: :samanime24:

binkpmmc
February 25th, 2006, 02:53 PM
Hey you have to remember he’s read all of SG-1 reports when he was in the hospital so he knows that his team will save his a** when he gets in trouble. That's why he requested them in the first place because he'd probably be dead on any other team that wasn't good enough to save his a**. j/k LOL!!!

This is one of my problems with Mitchell - it, IMO, goes to the heart of why he is NOT a team player. He is arrogant and makes stupid decisions based on his belief that the BIg 3 will come to his rescue? That is horrible for a military man who is supposed to be a Lt. Colonel and so very experienced (so we are told - I am STILL waiting to SEE it). It is a disgrace that he will go off half-cocked on his one-man-band runs and EXPECT the BIG 3 to rescue him especially because several times he has gotten the BIG 3 into trouble with him and they are put in danger - bad, very, very bad attitude from Mitchell. He is dangerous and IMO gets more dangerous every week. I think the BIG 3 should let him get his a$$ kicked next time he goes off half-cocked and makes a dumb decision and get into trouble maybe then he will learn his lesson. However, with the quality, or lack thereof, of the writing this season, I highly doubt he will change or learn anything and he will continue to be an arrogant frat-boy wunderkind who does not realize there is no I in team and who creates problems.

To me it looks like the premise of this "new" show that was supposed to be "Stargate Command" is - the team has a mission or an issue to deal with, Mitchell, plot device that he is, does something stupid, gets himself and/or the BIG 3 into trouble, the BIG 3 save his sorry arse, and/or themselves, and also save the day on their original mission. voila - the weekly antics of Stargate Command (sci-fi cartoon complete with sci-fi caricatures and cliches galore). Part of the problem also stems from the fact that I still have yet to see what Mitchell contributes substantively to this team that they did not already possess as a team. The only thing I see him contributing is his bad decsion-making that gets himself and the BIG 3 into trouble therefore allowing the plot to move along - that is a very sad reason to have added this guy to the team since it makes him look so incompetent and stupid on a near weekly basis.

Ziu
February 25th, 2006, 02:59 PM
Nice Episode. Looks like SG-1 is escalating for a great finish of Season 9.

LORD MONK
February 25th, 2006, 03:11 PM
I liked it, although it could be called something else. They didn't even go look for it. They just talked about it. Good ep though. I am starting to like Mitch, that or he is growing on me and I am geting used to him.

Fargater
February 25th, 2006, 03:13 PM
I think it was a natural thing for her to do. Okay, obviously I've never been out of phase, but I think I would do the same thing, sort of subconsiously thinking that if I talked louder, maybe their subconscious would be more intune to me. Or, maybe not even that deep. But, you tend to react like they can hear you. It's not any more unreasonable than her talking to them at any volume in the first place.
Indeed. And think one or both of them did talk louder, and repeated things, as if hoping they could somehow bridge the gap and get them to hear on a subconscious level. I almost thought it worked when that guy said "Wait a minute. . . Oh, it`s nothing." Or whatever he said. And Sam was so hopeful he saw it (as was I) . . . but no. I was perhaps the most engaged in the story during those scenes when they were trying to communicate.






Thinking about that scene, I think it would have been better without the bright light effect. Don't have any special effect, just have the scene, then they all realise that Daniel went out of phase, too. I mean, even if the audience figured out what would happen beforehand, I think it would have fit the effect better if they didn't show that Daniel had been sent out of phase before the characters figured it out.
Hmmm. Interesting thought. That would have worked, even with the surveillance camera stuff, because they could just have had the camera go blank because of the power surge even if there was no bright light. When it happened to Daniel later I thought they were trying to just have the general lighting up without making it obvious that he`d gone out of phase. I even sneaked a peek at my watch to try to figure out how far into the ep it was and whether it was logical for them to bring Sam back at that time to serve another direction in the plot or whether they had time to have Daniel get stuck there too. But I guess on second thought the light did make it pretty obvious that Daniel had been sent out of phase. But it was still fun to watch them figure it out.

Ziu
February 25th, 2006, 03:21 PM
I liked it, although it could be called something else. They didn't even go look for it. They just talked about it. Good ep though. I am starting to like Mitch, that or he is growing on me and I am geting used to him.

Don't worry, they have two more episodes to look for and possibly find the mantle. If not, the looking most likely will continue in the beginning of Season 10.

atlantisrocks
February 25th, 2006, 03:22 PM
Sam: Loved her in this episode. It was the first episode where I got to see Sam really show her comic flare. She was great. It must be frustrating being such a genius when the other local doctors and scientists can't figure out simple things (well, simple to her, anyway). Sam and Daniel's scenes together were great, and they really do seem like brother and sister. Their easy banter and the way they seem to understand each other without all the explanations makes them a joy to watch. They really need to have more interaction together.

That was actually my favorite part of the episode when Sam and Cam poked each other, then Sam and Daniel poking each other! :sam: :daniel: It was so adorable! I agree that Sam and Daniel seem like brother and sister. I also loved when Dr. Lee said "Daniel if you can hear me press yes," and Sam pushed it for him, since Daniel was kinda busy thinking I can't believe this happened to me again!:p

The Zombie Sodan guy was pretty freaky. Mitchell didn't really bother me this episode, but he's not my favorite character either.

And I absolutely never get tired of the opening theme! It's very cool.:cool:

Maxum
February 25th, 2006, 03:33 PM
I never thought BB was trying to be like RDA, so I agree. Amen to the great comedic timing too. I think at first he or they were trying to tone down his personality for Cam, but I don`t like where they take him when they do turn him loose. I want more of the thoughtful Cam from the beginning of the season. He can do the one-liners and not be a doormat without also looking like an idiot, as he has too often in the later eps. If Cam`s read all the mission reports, he should have an even better idea of why he shouldn`t do most of the things they keep writing this character as doing.

I have to wonder what BB thinks of the character. When he got the part he watched all the seasons of SG-1 to get educated. I wonder if he agrees that this guy is believable at all for SG-1 the way they have him behave most of the time.

I agree that the writers can do MUCH better for Mitchell. Ben Browder is a very good actor and perfectly capable of doing the very dramatic, emotional scenes (for anyone who watched Farscape). That's why I enjoyed yesterday's episode so much. I didn't find Mitchell over-the-top or immature. Everything he said and did was not ridiculously out of character. I actually liked the fact that Mitchell was a bit of the fanboy to SG-1. I mean, realistically, SG-1 is famous and legendary, both on Earth and throughout the galaxy. If you get assigned to their team, you're going to be a little giddy. Add in the fact that Mitchell knew Sam Carter, and you get an added layer of familiarity where he doesn't have to start from scratch getting to know everyone. With all that being said, however, I'm hoping that by Season 10, the writing team give a slightly harder 'edge' to Mitchell, but he's by no means an unlikeable character (not that you said that).



Thanks for posting this. I keep finding myself almost hating Cam the way they write him, and look desperately for posts that point out things maybe I`m missing. That said, I can`t agree with everything you said, but it was still nice to read it.

I did like the Sam/Cam interaction, like hitting each other. Like others have said, I immediately thought of the falling thru the floor issue. LOL

And I guess I really need to lighten up, because I was annoyed with Cam pestering Sam after she`d been up all night working on that thing to go and get hash browns. Go get `em yourself, and leave her the frell alone! But why interpret the scene that way? Why not see it as friendly concern and an attempt to get her away for a break? Hmm. Now he`s not so annoying.

And the food talk was funny to a point, but as others have said I thought it was a bit too much. Or not. A couple of ways to look at that. 1) Idiot is more concerned about missing out on roast beef than about their predicament. 2) Cam is not too concerned because hey, it`s happened before (he read the report!) and he`s confident Sam or Daniel will find the solution. The second interpretation is more pleasant. I gotta get that mindset more with this show.

Yeah, I just take it as Mitchell's way of dealing with stress and blowing off steam. Carter invents or tests things, Daniel reads books, and Teal'c blows up things. (Jack went fishing). Like I said, I'm hoping that the writers start to give Mitchell that harder edge come Season 10, but don't remove his sense of humor. You need it with SG-1.


I agree 100% with what you said about Cam`s reasoning to want to go to help the Sodan if possible. But IMO they ruined that for me by not having him show more (or really any) reaction to the news of Jolan`s(?) death at the hands of his own brother, or just a general reaction to the fate of the Sodan.

I guess it didn't bother me because I wasn't as invested in the Sodan as perhaps some other viewers. I do agree that certain plot lines were probably sacrificed to fit the episode into one-hour. Maybe they'll address the loss in later episodes.



Yep, I loved all that too, except I agree more with the people who feel that Dr. Lee is being reduced to comic relief at the expense of his brilliance. He used to be funny and brilliant, but this time they seemed to want him to be funny and inept.

I don't think they changed Dr. Lee's character at all. Remember when he and Daniel were captured by those revolutionaries in South America? He was a bit dippy then too. He was funny and brilliant, but he was definitely a geek. Truthfully, I think Dr. Lee was added to the cast for exactly comic relief, but also for his brilliance as a doctor. He would be someone the SGC could go to when Sam or Daniel are not around to figure out scientific/ancient information. The fact that he has caught on with the viewers was perhaps something they had not foreseen. However, I don't see a different Dr. Lee than the one I was originally introduced to earlier on the show. He's still uncertain, he's still amusing, and he still knows his stuff - he just screws up every now and then in a very endearing way. What person in the entire SGC hasn't, you know what I mean?


Even though it was to me predictable that Daniel would be sent out of phase rather than bringing Sam back, I didn`t care. It wasn`t about "Oooh, now he`s out of phase!" but rather "Now how do they fix this?"

When he initially went out of phase, I couldn't figure out if Sam came back or Daniel went out or did Daniel and Dr. Lee BOTH phase out. Only when Sam and Daniel (and Dr. Lee) reacted did I know, and that was hilarious.


As for the Sodan, I was shocked and VERY disappointed at the lameness of their demise. Didn`t like the Ori Zombie thing, and it just didn`t seem fair to me that after the setup at the end of Babylon for a later confrontation between Volnek and Cam all we got was this blow-up-the-Zombie business. It wasted Volnek IMO to throw him away like that. I`d have preferred a more intellectual philosophical (and physical) conflict. Or was that already resolved by Haikon`s acceptance of our help in dealing with the Prior? Still might have made for some fun personal antagonism from Volnek to Cam.

Also now we`ve lost the Sodan? Another waste. I was looking forward to a much better use of that storyline. I couldn`t believe that these great warriors could be taken out by one Zombie, even if he`s one of their own. and maybe been able to stop him?

Agreed. Not quite sure why the writers went in this direction either.

Fargater
February 25th, 2006, 03:42 PM
Actually it was the Daily Double. It's a referance to horse racing i.e. gambling , kinda like the trifecta (sp) remark Mitchell made earlier.
Ah! I clean forgot about the "Daily Double" and "Trifecta" remarks. And was LOL at those at the time. I wonder if Cam plays the ponies.

Skydiver
February 25th, 2006, 03:51 PM
What's wrong with that? It's a heck of a lot less awkward than how they normally get the history across - which is by the characters telling each other things they already know. I think it's charming that Mitchell sat in his hospital bed reading all the reports. As someone who was stuck at home for 6 weeks straight with my own injury, I can tell you that you'll read just about anything to pass the time.
actually, i don't think it's bad. i'm one of those rare folks that liked jonas. liked that he was new enough to ask those 'what's this' questions.

i was just saying that it's another similarity of the two

DEM
February 25th, 2006, 03:54 PM
I think at first he or they were trying to tone down his personality for Cam, but I don`t like where they take him when they do turn him loose. <snippage> If Cam`s read all the mission reports, he should have an even better idea of why he shouldn`t do most of the things they keep writing this character as doing.My thoughts exactly. There must to be a middle ground between Pompous and Idiot, and between Doormat and Hyper.


And I guess I really need to lighten up, because I was annoyed with Cam pestering Sam after she`d been up all night working on that thing to go and get hash browns. Go get `em yourself, and leave her the frell alone! But why interpret the scene that way? Why not see it as friendly concern and an attempt to get her away for a break?For me, it's some ineffable something about his nonverbals (e.g., tone of voice). He sounds condescending, as if Carter doesn't know how to take care of herself. There have been plenty of other scenes in the past in which various characters urged Sam to take it easier and even though they were all said in ways unique to those characters, very rarely did they come across as patronising -- to me. The "Eggheads at Area 51" line didn't help either: Hello?! Recent Head of R&D there! The reading was off, or the line should have acknowledged Carter's recent posting.


Yeah, I enjoyed Sam in this one very much. Some people complained about her shouting at the people as if that would make them hear her, but lots of us have done similar things. I was LOL.In case you (and Dani347) were referring to my post, I should clarify. I wasn't complaining about the shouting; the shouting was funny. I was complaining about the overall lack of Carter doing ANYthing that moved the plot toward resolution. Yeah, AT was cute and funny and etc. etc., but I want more out of ALL of the protagonists than "they were cute together". ::shrug:: As someone else suggested (I think), even having Sam purposely move Daniel out of phase would have been more efficacious and ACTIVE than standing around hitting the Yes and No keys. Or, as Morse Code is a binary system, use the Y/N keys to push Lee's work in the right direction.


Agreed about the interaction with the other SG soldiers. Was nice to see that. I hope Col Reynolds returns and: 1) doesn't become a double-agent or 2) die.


Not sure how I feel about the two guns thing. I keep reading people either loving it or hating it, and all their reasons make sense to me.I'm good with it as long as he doesn't shoot in two directions at once. :tealc39:


Also now we`ve lost the Sodan? Another waste. I was looking forward to a much better use of that storyline. I couldn`t believe that these great warriors could be taken out by one Zombie, even if he`s one of their own. *sigh*

golfbooy
February 25th, 2006, 03:54 PM
Boy, I've had trouble finding time to sit down and gather my thoughts on Arthur's Mantle. Lucky for you all, though, I've finally mangaged it. I'm sure you'll all enjoy it muchly. Heh, heh, suck on my bluster.

Overall, I have pretty mixed feelings about Arthur's Mantle. I really liked both parts of the story. The whole out of phase scenario was handled really well despite being yet another rehash of an older, and yes, better, SG-1 episode. Likewise, the demise of the Sodan due to their betrayal of the Ori worked for me. However, I think that both of these stories needed more time overall. That is, maybe they each should have been their own episode. Frankly, the Sodan part of the story deserved more drama and oomph. This is an entire race of mythical Jaffa that have now been entirely wiped in one day, women and children included. That's a bigger deal than Arthur's Mantle put forth. And the out of phase element of the story included such terrific character interactions that it too could have been an episode in its own right. Any situation that puts the talents of the actors to work rather than the writers' at this point is a good thing.

I agree with others that the manner in which we learn about all of Merlin's machinations is a bit too easy. Though it wasn't nearly as easy and contrived as Mitchell's pickpocket skills while getting wailed on by Volnek, or Daniel's CTRL+ALT+DELETE fix, but it was pretty easy, too. And I think the SGC keeping that device sitting around for six months (does anyone else think that that's a rather short time stamp for the whole of season 9?) without sending it off to R & D is a bit far fetched. However, I really, really liked all the tie ins to previous Ancient technology in this episode. Between all Merlin's stuff and the Volnek tie in with Telchak's device from Evolution, I'm at least finding the overall depiction of the development and use of Ancient technology in the story believable. I didn't find it too far fetched that Teal'c could see and hear Mitchell given that the two technologies being used are so similar in origin. I'm all for consistent depiction of Ancient technologies, whether they be Ori or Alteran.

Like most of the other posters here, what really sold the episode for me was the character interactions, Sam and Daniel in particular. There are more than a few things not to like about this episode, but I am just so happy to see Sam and Daniel actually be allowed to interact with each other and act like they're friends that I'm willing to forgive nearly everything else. The Big 3, as they have been aptly dubbed, are exceptionally good at providing fans with that great team dynamic when they're permitted. It's a shame that so many episodes this season have been structured in a way that separates the characters, as the past few stories' shining moments have all been brought about by the actors, not the writers.

As I mentioned above, Sam was once again great, and once again came across far more laid back during this whole experience than she might have in previous years. Amanda Tapping seems to be playing Sam much more comfortable in her own skin and much more relaxed in general this season, which I think works nicely as a subtle acknowledgment of all the soul searching Sam's done in recent seasons. She seems to be at peace with both her past and future, whatever it brings. It works for me. Sam's frustration in the control room while Walter and the other scientist were working through the Sodan transmission was a good character moment, and nice reminder of how crucial she is to the SGC and of how intuitively she finds the answers to problems. There wasn't a whole lot of substance for Carter to do in this episode (a crappy trend this year), but I feel they made the most of what was there.

And Daniel doing research in his office? It makes so much sense it's scary. Sometimes I think the writers forget how smart Daniel is or why he goes through the gate to begin with, but they've done great with him these past two weeks. And despite my complaint about Sam not having anything to do but stand around, at least Daniel taking the reins on figuring out the device is logical. For a moment I was afraid Cam was gonna push a button and accidentally get them back in phase so they could go rescue Teal'c. Catastrophe averted.

As for Teal'c, well, I thought Chris Judge did a pretty nice job with his solo work on the Sodan planet. He played his scenes with an experienced, grim seriousness that added to the sparse dialogue amidst the devasted village. If only he hadn't looked so damn silly while doing it. Two P-90s? Seriously, it was a stretch in Off the Grid, but forgivable given the campy nature of the rest of that episode. Here though, it just looked foolish. It was a bad production decision by Peter Deluise, and one that I hope doesn't continue. Give the man back his staff weapon. It's the only thing that can stand up next to Chris Judge's enormous frame. And, while it really doesn't bother me one way or the other, I can see why some people would also like to see him lose the sleeveless shirts. We get it, Teal'c is a huge monster of a man. There's no amount of clothing that could make us forget it. I also liked Teal'c's interactions with Haikon, Reynolds, Mitchell, and all of the other officers on the planet. It's easy to forget just how much of a leader Teal'c is in his own right. And the continuing trend seems to be that Teal'c will calmly ignore Mitchell nipping at his heels each week and just go about doing his thing. I can live with that.

As for Mitchell, I don't know. I feel like each week I write something on here and it's all glowing until I get to his role in episodes. That's because I continually get the impression that the writers don't know what to do with the character, and in the absence of leaving him nothing, instead opt to force him into stupid decisions, scenes, and dialogue. I was really liking Mitchell's interactions with Carter while they were together as well as later when he was in Daniel's lab with Landry. The pushing each other scenes were great in the episode, as was the way that Carter quietly reassured Mitchell that Daniel, Dr. Lee, and the rest of the SGC would figure it all out. But a quick word to the writers--Mitchell doesn't always need to be speaking. It's particularly annoying when he's just spouting inane pop culture references and superfluous throw-away lines in every scene. Cripes, give the man some real dialogue. I'm sure he can handle it, and I'm sure the character would come off better.

Anyway, yes, taking off on his own while in a totally compromised state was yet another bonehead decision. No one knew what he was doing. No one knew he was there. Suppose Reynold's team and the rest all got killed. How would Cambo dial the gate to get back? How would he use the Sodan's transporter to get back to gate in the first place? Would the transporter work on him at all? What if he got seperated from the other team members? I mean, come on. Even if we're going to buy the lame ass "I can gather intel" line, who the hell was he going to communicate it to? I'll tell you who. No one. He couldn't communicate with anyone. That was the whole premise behind his altered state to begin with. But I'm supposed to believe that a Lt. Col. in the airforce who is qualified to lead an SG team would just run off of his own volition, despite the misgivings of the only other person in existence he can communicate with, all the while believing that he can render assistence while in a totally compromised state. SG-1 sort of did something similar in Upgrades, with the upshot of the episode being that the armbands affected their judgement and made them stupid. Perhaps that was mentioned as being a side effect of Merlin's device in Arthur's Mantle and I just missed it? No?

Um, I like Reynolds. Please don't kill him. Eric Breker always gives him the professionalism necessary to add to each episode's drama. Is it wrong of me to wish that he was the new member of SG-1? Competentence shouldn't be so rare in the SGC. But boy is it. I mean, seriously, what's with Dr. Lee? I'll tell ya. Again, TPTB have not just crossed, but completely jumped over the line with characters, sacrificing credibility for the sake of a lame joke. Just as with Nerus' gastronomic splendor, so too here Lee's "wacky professor" routine detracts from the episode rather than accentuates it. It's the kind of thing Mike Greeberg used to keep a handle on, and it's the kind of thing Peter Deluise has trouble leaving out of his direction.

Speaking of Deluise, I've always been of the opinion that his real strength when directing was in outdoor, on location shooting. The First Ones, Allegiance, and Orpheus are just a few that spring to mind, but likewise here I thought the bits with Teal'c on the Sodan world were really well done. Not so much the indoor, on set stuff where as I said above, the tone of the story didn't fit with what else was going on. Lastly, I am terribly disappointed in the now wasted conflict between Mitchell and Volnek. All the build up in Babylon seems like nothing but a bunch of hot air, with both character blustering at each other for naught. I'd have preferred it if more had come from Mitchell's most meaningful experience this season. And to whoever said that Mitchell should have been allowed to react to the deaths of Jolan and his fellow Sodan, you're exactly right. The whole thing is just a waste now.

So, that's about it. Crusade is next week. Um, gee, yeah. How 'bout that fiery face? Just makes your blood boil, though I imagine the reason varies dependig on your outlook. :rolleyes:

Fargater
February 25th, 2006, 03:58 PM
I don't think they changed Dr. Lee's character at all. Remember when he and Daniel were captured by those revolutionaries in South America? He was a bit dippy then too. He was funny and brilliant, but he was definitely a geek. Truthfully, I think Dr. Lee was added to the cast for exactly comic relief, but also for his brilliance as a doctor. He would be someone the SGC could go to when Sam or Daniel are not around to figure out scientific/ancient information. The fact that he has caught on with the viewers was perhaps something they had not foreseen. However, I don't see a different Dr. Lee than the one I was originally introduced to earlier on the show. He's still uncertain, he's still amusing, and he still knows his stuff - he just screws up every now and then in a very endearing way. What person in the entire SGC hasn't, you know what I mean?
I think that ep is from S7, which I haven`t entirely seen yet. I`ve seen all seasons thru 6th via the reruns, caved and got the box set of S7 just before they decided to start including S7 in the rerun cycle. :rolleyes: Now I just throw the DVD in when the ep airs on SciFi. No commercials that way. :) I think actually that`s the next ep coming up, so I`ll get to see it now. The little I`ve seen of him though he was always a geek and funny but they made him interesting IMO by having him be brilliant too. Not a stock character.

Maybe you`re right and he wasn`t so bad in this ep. It is true that everyone screws up, and maybe what he did wasn`t so bad. I`ve been reading the back pages and seen others comment that his mistake was an acceptable possibility in the circumstances, so maybe I judged him too harshly.

Fargater
February 25th, 2006, 04:07 PM
Ah! golfbooy! There you are. Was looking thru the thread for your review, but haven`t seen the whole thread yet. Now I know where it is.

<<proceeds to read golfbooy`s comments. . . >>

betjam
February 25th, 2006, 04:13 PM
I enjoyed this episode from start to finish. One of those that made me rewind the tape and watch the last few minutes again because it ended too quickly.

I'm glad that the team let us know they think Cam is cocky. Daniel's "Why am I not surprised?" and Teal'c trying to hit him with the gun were great. Cam shouldn't be a perfect fit for the team from Day One. What fun would that be? Now we can watch him develop/mature over time.

My husband had missed last few weeks so when Teal'c struck his pose, I explained, "That's how he holds his guns now." I guess they can make the action figure in that pose.

One thing I thought odd, was that Landry said, "Mitchell, Carter, and Daniel." Not Jackson, or Dr. Jackson.

contact2918
February 25th, 2006, 04:17 PM
And then, on the flip side, he seems to not care that much about the entire Sodan village being destroyed once he gets there, and he seems to care even less about one of his Sodan friends being turned into a zombie that now must be blown into pieces. (I mean, this WAS the same Sodan he befriended, right? Am I wrong?) I mean, if they want to characterize Mitchell as a grade-A jerk (to put it nicely) then fine, but please make up your minds, TPTB.

No, this was the brother of the one who he befriended. Volnek, our Ori-Zombie, was the one that Mitchell shot and was taken back to the SGC in "Babylon". They never liked each other. Jolan is the one who Mitchell befriended, and apparently one of the first killed when his brother was zombified.

wolverine_nl
February 25th, 2006, 04:20 PM
cause the gate address to the home of the weapon that will destroy ancient beings came complete with earth's point of origin :)


Euhm, the device was found on earth, so that would be logic :mckay:

LMichelle
February 25th, 2006, 04:20 PM
It was nice to see Daniel doing something (the translation) that directly relates to his skills as a linguist. Usually he's out shooting things like a military man. Uh, he's not. Remember when Daniel did archealogy-ish things? I know it's hard, but try and think back. ;)

A good team episode. Much better than last week's.

Fargater
February 25th, 2006, 04:21 PM
My husband had missed last few weeks so when Teal'c struck his pose, I explained, "That's how he holds his guns now." I guess they can make the action figure in that pose.

LOL
Someone farther back said something about Teal`c reminding them of the Terminator. So now when I see him shooting away with the two guns I`m going to think of him as the Teal`c-inator. :tealc39:


hee hee
And in most of those action figures the muscles are way exaggerated to the point of being hilarious. But in his case it would almost look accurate.

ShardsofGlass
February 25th, 2006, 04:22 PM
:jack_new_anime05: :samanime24:
I just wish they`d write him better. It`s not realistic to expect Sam and Daniel to want to put up with him or anyone who`s that much of a liability. I can`t help thinking of the beginning of S6 when Jack couldn`t find a competent replacement for Daniel. When the replacement candidate screwed up, he got rid of that person without a backward glance. Of course they`re not as snarky as Jack but they don`t have to be. It just would make sense for Sam, as the ranking military person, to bring it up that maybe this guy is not SG-1 material. I hate saying so, and don`t want to hate Cam, but they`ve dug him a really deep hole of idiocy and incompetence that it would really be hard to write him out of. I just can`t imagine them keeping anyone else around who displayed that much dangerous incompetence, and it`s not fair that they did this to Cam, but it just makes it that much harder to enjoy the show with him written this way. And no, he`s not always an idiot, but it`s too much to be believable that this character would still be around.

<<lightbulb goes on>>
Is he the military version of Dr. Lee?
:jack_new_anime05: :samanime24:

You know people say this a lot here, and I just scratch my head. Does everyone have amnesia? Where is this massive incompetence that everyone is talking about? What about the massive amount of heroic and smart things he's done?

Let me refresh your memories. Mitchell fought the knight and figured out how to find the treasure in Avalon; he saved Daniel and Vala by throwing that transporter device into the gate swish; he had the building beamed up in EDM; he convinced the Sodan to fight the Ori; he helped nab one of the priors; he fought for justice in a horribly wrong murder; he helped rescue Teal'c from Baal; he helped rescue Daniel in Ethon and was the leader in that whole mission; he led the mission to find the gates and get them back on Baal's ship; he led the diplomats successfully away from the bugs and help keep the bugs at bay until they could be rescued; and in this ep, he got the crystal back and led the zombie to the explosives.

Skydiver
February 25th, 2006, 04:51 PM
Euhm, the device was found on earth, so that would be logic :mckay:
ok, i've been informed that they did find that stuff on earth. I stand corrected on that aspect (i could only stand to watch valagate episodes once so my details are a bit fuzzy)

i am though, not sure which gate was in operation when merlin was on earth the giza gate, with the /\ point of origin was buried 5000 years ago, so the antarctic gate would have been the one in operation, and its PoO is OI (or close to that)

NearlyCircular
February 25th, 2006, 04:58 PM
I liked the ep for the most part, and didn’t really have problems with Mitchell’s behavior until he got to the trip wire and stopped to taunt the zombie. Logically, he should have just continued on and let the zombie “blow up real good.” I know, I know, it was a plot device to allow time so that he would phase back in and get to fight the invisible bad guy, grab the crystal, and be rescued by Teal’c, but it was a glaring error to me.

I could almost understand Mitchell going offworld to try to do anything to help. He’s someone who is apparently incapable of just standing around doing nothing. He has to do something, no matter how futile it appears to be.

In addition, he probably needed to do something about those pesky “bodily functions.” ;) Think about it, it would explain why he was so hyper in the SGC, and he knew he could find a convenient tree if he went offworld. :D

NC

Dani347
February 25th, 2006, 05:08 PM
I'm glad that the team let us know they think Cam is cocky. Daniel's "Why am I not surprised?" and Teal'c trying to hit him with the gun were great.

See, I don't think they do see him as cocky. Or, maybe I'm transfering my feelings, because I don't think he was cocky in this episode. I think the "why am I not surprised" is because they know he can be overly impulsive and doesn't think out all the ramifications of an action before doing it. Which, I suppose can be characterized as impulsive (my choice), or foolhardy. But, I personally don't see a "I'm so great" feeling behind his actions, so I don't see that with Daniel's reaction. Teal'c's is strange. Sometimes he acts like Mitchell is a gnat, and sometimes he acts like he likes Mitchell well enough.

acdj31
February 25th, 2006, 05:14 PM
What is up with Ancients and weapons? First the weapon in Lost City on Earth, then the weapon on Dakara in "Reckoning". I mean come on I tried of the team have to go find a weapon. Can't they build their own.

Maxum
February 25th, 2006, 05:26 PM
See, I don't think they do see him as cocky. Or, maybe I'm transfering my feelings, because I don't think he was cocky in this episode. I think the "why am I not surprised" is because they know he can be overly impulsive and doesn't think out all the ramifications of an action before doing it. Which, I suppose can be characterized as impulsive (my choice), or foolhardy. But, I personally don't see a "I'm so great" feeling behind his actions, so I don't see that with Daniel's reaction. Teal'c's is strange. Sometimes he acts like Mitchell is a gnat, and sometimes he acts like he likes Mitchell well enough.

I agree. I don't see Mitchell as being cocky at all. Cockiness implies arrogance, and Mitchell admires SG-1 too much to be arrogant where they are concerned. He is a very competent soilder, smart, heroic, and capable, but he is impulsive and he can do things "on the fly." Maybe that's what will make him fit so well with SG-1. They all do things impulsively.

gatewonderer114
February 25th, 2006, 05:33 PM
What a great episode. I think it's a good way to go into the final two episodes of the season. The last two should be great.

Also, Merlin's weapon, it should kick ass.

JackGyver
February 25th, 2006, 05:41 PM
No, this was the brother of the one who he befriended. Volnek, our Ori-Zombie, was the one that Mitchell shot and was taken back to the SGC in "Babylon". They never liked each other. Jolan is the one who Mitchell befriended, and apparently one of the first killed when his brother was zombified.

Okay, that makes me feel a little better about it. Still, I thought he was being a little too flippant after learning about the Sodan's destruction. Contrary to what he said in the SGC, he didn't seem to be all that bothered by it.

I hope we see more Ori zombies. They could be the Ori's own version of the Kull warriors. Also, very reminiscent of "Evolution"'s zombie revolutionary.

Deejay435
February 25th, 2006, 05:42 PM
See, I don't think they do see him as cocky. Or, maybe I'm transfering my feelings, because I don't think he was cocky in this episode. I think the "why am I not surprised" is because they know he can be overly impulsive and doesn't think out all the ramifications of an action before doing it. Which, I suppose can be characterized as impulsive (my choice), or foolhardy. But, I personally don't see a "I'm so great" feeling behind his actions, so I don't see that with Daniel's reaction. Teal'c's is strange. Sometimes he acts like Mitchell is a gnat, and sometimes he acts like he likes Mitchell well enough.

Where I saw the "I'm so great" aspect of his character was when he stopped and taunted Volnek. There was no tactical reason for that, other than to amuse himself. The plan was to lure Volnek to the clamore, and blow him up. Volnek was following Mitchell. There was no reaon to stand around and play comic.

Dani347
February 25th, 2006, 06:07 PM
Where I saw the "I'm so great" aspect of his character was when he stopped and taunted Volnek. There was no tactical reason for that, other than to amuse himself. The plan was to lure Volnek to the clamore, and blow him up. Volnek was following Mitchell. There was no reaon to stand around and play comic.

Okay, maybe there was an element of cockiness in that scene. I just meant that I don't think his going to the planet in the first place came out of anything but a desire to help. And, that for some reason, especially when Teal'c is in trouble, he feels the need to go and do something even more than usual. It seems like he has this thing about Teal'c.

Dana_Jeanne
February 25th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Aren't you exagerating a little bit? It was good episode IMO.
Not at all. IN MY OPINION it was not a good episode, I wasn't happy with it and I find Mitchell increasingly difficult to watch. The poster asked me why *I* was still watching if I was so unhappy with the show.

*I* am still watching because IN MY OPINION, the show is fast turning into something that is not holding my interest, so the only reason *I* am still watching is because of Daniel.

So no, as far as *I'm* concerned, I didn't exagerate.

Dana Jeanne

Dana_Jeanne
February 25th, 2006, 06:32 PM
Ouch! That stings a little.:)
I have to agree with her. New, better writers would add some ooomph to the show and wouldn't have the blinders-on attitude the writers we have now do.

The episodes that Ken whos-its directed, Ethon, and The Scourge, were two that I liked very much and the fact that he hasn't directed an SG1 episode since Solitudes and so wasn't doing it with the same 'blinders' the others use really showed. IMO, of course.

Dana Jeanne

Andrew Joshua Talon
February 25th, 2006, 07:11 PM
Newbie here.

Rather liked this episode, myself. Mitchell's grown on me. At first I thought he was just going to be John Crichton on SG-1, but he's really evolved into a very unique character.

Mitchell just seems to sometimes be overwhelmed with the sheer wonder of being part of SG-1 sometimes. Probably why he stopped to taunt Volnak. C'mon, he didn't know his invincibility would stop RIGHT THEN, and as long as he's invulnerable and Volnak's following him, stopping to taunt the zombie didn't seem to hurt (to Mitchell, anyway).

The rest of the team now seems to be regarding Mitchell as an enthusiastic little-brother, rather than "the new guy". Teal'c seems to have genuine affection for him, while Daniel and Sam act like his guides to this new, huge world he's landed himself in. He's obviously not perfect, but while he can be very impulsive, he seems to have learned to use SG-1's strengths where he is lacking, as evidenced by his asking of the others on how and what to do, and not trying to blaze his own way and lead them all to disaster out of arrogance.

It seemed more like a team-episode, though more like a paired-off team episode. Daniel and Sam got to work together once more on a new, exciting, and bizarre technology, while Teal'c and Cam got to bond.

Not perfect, of course, because of the slightly-used plot, but overall a very nice episode.

Aadizookaan
February 25th, 2006, 08:03 PM
***(retakes human form after lurking for about year with the ascended)***

Hello everybody, its been a long time. Well, many things to say with little time to say it. So here goes.

First, I was impressed with this episode. Great interaction with the segmented team members - lets start off with Teal'c :tealc: : looks like he is large and in charge, the military defered to him while on the Sodan Homeworld. He did what was expected of him characterwize. Now on to Sam :sam: :she is back into her groove since her stint at Area 51. She may have made to boo-boo of getting herself and Mitchell into "trouble" but she also had the faith to rely on her fellow SG members to figure it all out. On to Daniel :daniel: :he is the man, plain and simple. He figured it all out by getting sucked into the "trouble", translating outloud a big "thing", and reboots Merlins computer to save the day. Last but not least Mitchell :cameron: (note the bold of the name, we will discuss this later):typical Mitchell, runs off trying to save the world by living up to SG1's reputation. All he was doing here was trying to prove that he could lead SG1 and did a bang up job until Daniel solved the "trouble" back home. Like I said, good interaction. The stuff I have watched the show for since day one.

Second, I am a little peturbed. All the Mitchell bashing going on in the forum. Let it go. A torch was passed at the begining of the season, lets accept it and move on. The character is a great addition to the team, unlike the Jonas fiasco of season 6 - not that I didn't like the character, he was just underdeveloped because we only knew him for one season. The same is happening here with Mitchell. He has a lot of catching up to do - Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel have evolved over eight seasons prior to Mitchell's attempt to get the band back together. We all knew by the opening two-parter of the season that none of the original SG1 wanted to be there. They were only reunited because of the Ori's badassness. However, they have come to accept that they will have to stay for the duration to finish what they had started - exploring (and kicking butt in) the galaxy. As for those who have issue with Mitchell calling Daniel - Jackson. Take a look at your own posts, you all have done the exact same thing to Cameron.

Third, let's all remember to enjoy the one hour of television that allows us to leave our worries, troubles, and at times hard lives behind. The show is meant to entertain, don't take it too, too seriously.

Thats all for now, until later...

***(ascends again to avoid the inevitable flaming to follow)***

akimbo
February 25th, 2006, 11:08 PM
Second, I am a little peturbed. All the Mitchell bashing going on in the forum. Let it go. A torch was passed at the begining of the season, lets accept it and move on.

I'll agree with you there. I love Jack (season 4 and before especially). But I love where Mitchell is taking us. Hang on and enjoy the ride. :D


I enjoyed "Arthur's Mantle" for what it was: a prelude to the season finale two-parter. It re-used sets and actors and didn't spend a lot of SFX tokens. It gave us a "get out of jail free" card with the Ori that may or may not work (which is no different than other seasons) and therefore advanced the arc while having a bit of fun.

I mourn the loss of Haikon and the Sodan they could have been of more use to the mythology. :(

The rest is set-up for the next two weeks. Bring it on baby!
:cool:

majorsal
February 25th, 2006, 11:23 PM
I agree with others that the manner in which we learn about all of Merlin's machinations is a bit too easy. Though it wasn't nearly as easy and contrived as Mitchell's pickpocket skills while getting wailed on by Volnek, or Daniel's CTRL+ALT+DELETE fix, but it was pretty easy, too. And I think the SGC keeping that device sitting around for six months (does anyone else think that that's a rather short time stamp for the whole of season 9?) without sending it off to R & D is a bit far fetched.


hey, i didn't think of that...

so how much time was supposed to have passed between the end of 'moebius' and the beginning of season 9?

btw, six months *is* a short time period for an entire season.



sally :)

RealmOfX
February 25th, 2006, 11:31 PM
Hey, I actually liked this episode! Yes, there are quite a few things I could nitpick over but on the whole I liked it.

What I liked :
- Good acting from everyone
- loved the Carter & Mitchell interaction at the beginning, which coming from someone who hasn't liked what they have done with Mitchell so far is saying a lot
- Yay, more Dr Lee but please don't degenerate his character into a bumbling idiot
- Sam in the Control Room
- Teal'c was great
- Daniel in his lab doing research and putting all the clues together (haven't seen a lot of this lately)
- zombies eewww
- Brief appearance of Reynolds, another recurring character that I like
- Daniel and Sam together talking things through and a continuation of the shoulder pokes
- Teal'c taking a swipe at Mitchell
- I'm liking Landry more and more as the season progresses


What I didn't like :
- Where's the roller rink?? That was my first thought - Ooops not a valid comment as my cousin reminded me that they sometimes do wear these in RL depending on the mission. My second thought was "The BOOTS!!!!!" that contrast in colour is a definite eye catcher, kinda defeats the purpose of camouflage
- Tealc and that stupid sleeveless two armed P90 pose. Nice eye candy but come on, get real!!! Where is his pack and supplies? Water, rations, extra ammo and other non essential supplies [/end sarcasm] Where is his clip on his vest so he can free his hands without putting down his weapon??? How many times did we see him put both weapons in one hand so he could do something? I know he has big hands but you can't tell me he could fire either weapon effectively when they were both in the same hand. Stupid and dangerous.
- the P90's didn't work on the zombie so why didn't Teal'c at least TRY the zat??
- the Sodan got practically wiped out? Damn, they had a lot of potential.
- we saw a lot of Sam but she didn't actually do anything (apart from phase them out in the beginning). FCOL it's a science episode and she doesn't do anything but stand around while others solve the problem?? What's the matter, doesn't the new boy know how to write science Sam either?
- Maverick Mitchell ugh (that's all I'm saying, previous posts have said it better)
- They're going to blow up the zombie and expect to get the crystal back intact??
- wait a minute didn't they say at the beginning that the Ancient device had a localised effect?? So why did Mitchell get phased back?? Oh yeah - plot device ;)


On the whole a decent episode, here's hoping for Season 10

Dani347
February 25th, 2006, 11:36 PM
What I didn't like :
- Where's the roller rink?? That was my first thought - Ooops not a valid comment as my cousin reminded me that they sometimes do wear these in RL depending on the mission.

What does this mean? Roller rink?


- wait a minute didn't they say at the beginning that the Ancient device had a localised effect?? So why did Mitchell get phased back?? Oh yeah - plot device ;)

I thought Sam speculated that it might have had a localized effect, not that it definitely did. I could be wrong though.

RealmOfX
February 25th, 2006, 11:51 PM
What does this mean? Roller rink?

A place where you go roller skating (damn I'm showing my age) - it was an obscure reference to the knee and elbow pads that the guys with Teal'c wore on the Sodan world


I thought Sam speculated that it might have had a localized effect, not that it definitely did. I could be wrong though.

Yeah, you're right Sam did just speculate but when Daniel phased and Dr Lee didn't I took it as evidence that it was localised.

Dani347
February 25th, 2006, 11:52 PM
A place where you go roller skating (damn I'm showing my age) - it was an obscure reference to the knee and elbow pads that the guys with Teal'c wore on the Sodan world

No, I got the meaning of roller rink. I just didn't know what roller rinks had to do with the episode. Didn't notice the knee and elbow pads.

Sorry, phrased the question badly.

BritAngie
February 26th, 2006, 12:10 AM
I still think that Cam is a bit too manic at times. When Farscape was on I figured that crazy kidlike aspect was part of the Crichton character and it worked wonderfully but now I'm thinking it's part of Ben's acting style and I think it would work best for the character if it was toned down just a smidge. That said, I like him more and more each episode. Him and Teal'c are a riot and a half.

It's not part of Ben's acting style. I've seen him in other stuff where he's nothing like Mitchell or Crichton.

I must admit though I'm worried about AM's preference for writing Mitchell in the manner he does. Not doing much for the characters credibility or Ben's as a knock on effect. :(

BritAngie
February 26th, 2006, 12:15 AM
i wish ben browder would stop trying to be as funny as richard dean anderson. (no one can master what that master of quip did. so please stop trying)



*sighs* Ben can only say what is written in the script... Blame the writers not Ben please.

travis
February 26th, 2006, 12:45 AM
OK havn't seen this ep yet but sounds kinder interesting. I just wanted to say that I love Dr Lee's character I dont think he's been reduced in any way, as few fans has mentioned. And the Disney thing arn't we all guilty. Loved it when he made a reference to 101 dalmation in Critical Mass. May be the writer are trying to use as many disney reference as they did with the Wizard of Oz back in the old Sg1 ep's. Any way of to see the this ep now.

FallenAngelII
February 26th, 2006, 12:56 AM
I liked this episode. Pretty solid and it's funny that we get to see Teal'c not hesitating to hit Mitchell again.

Maybe it's just me but it was still pretty predictable.

The previously on... shows that guy (the one who did go mad). He's probably the one attacking his fellow Sodan. Probably been touched by a Prior.
"Ouh, writings. Probably only exist on this side. It's not that they just turned it on or something."
"Ouh, it's probably a phase, thingie, another dimension, like 'Crystal Skull"
"It's a log of some kind of experiments, oh, Ori-destroying weapon" (<-- albeit this requires you to have read spoilers)
"Teal'c will probably be able to see/hear/both Mitchell when he turns his cloak on"
"Mitchell will try to lure the demonized guy"
"Mitchell will turn back while doing this"
"Dr. Lee thinks he's fixed it. Daniel's standing next to Carter. Daniel will be sent to the other dimension."

(all I read about this episode was "They find Arthur's mantle and become invisible" or something)

Formerhost
February 26th, 2006, 12:59 AM
hey, i didn't think of that...

so how much time was supposed to have passed between the end of 'moebius' and the beginning of season 9?

btw, six months *is* a short time period for an entire season.



sally :)

Not really, if you remove this 3-4 months long hiatus. 20 episodes = 5 months of airing if week after week.