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January 2nd, 2006, 07:21 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 913</FONT>
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Multiple SG-1s show up at Stargate Command, leading the "real" team to conclude that they have each been inadvertantly displaced from different parallel realities.

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Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Oh, I nearly cried when Janet, and then Martouf came onscreen! :) Finally, an episode that I enjoyed from beginning to end. ;) Can't have too many SG1's to suit me! I didn't even care that they used every cliché in the book, it was worth it to see those two again. :D

AGateFan
January 20th, 2006, 06:03 PM
What was the big bang at the start?
Landry is not really paying attention… they were in different uniforms, what did they change on the planet?
Did Walter say it’s Sg-1 and this time it’s from their original location? No I must have heard that wrong. Ahhh… Walter must have said original schedule time.

Carter – multiverse, cool.
How could Daniel be not accepting the parallel universe idea… that makes no sense…. He should not be rolling his eyes and being skeptical. He should be all over it as a good idea since he had to convince everyone else of it last time.

So the shippers get what they want… blahh
Daniel interviewing Teal’c that felt right.
Mitchell interviewing Daniel notsomuch but maybe it was suspicious Daniel
Carter interviewing herself that is classic (literally since it was done before but it still works)

Mitchell: Bizzaro SG-1… funny
Haha uber sg-1
Is the assumed real SG-1 really the real SG-1?
Landry: Grand central station of the multiverse --- funny
Hey much remembering of old eps… crazy Dr Lee. Nice
What about cascade failure thingy.—Plot hole?

Hey the armbands from upgrades. coool
You know Landry, a warning would really have been appropriate for the whole Janet thing.
Hey geeky Carter….wow lots of Carters.
Martoufs dream come true I would guess.

Hey Janet good news, we have a cure!!
Daniel or Teal’c….that’s my guess who, from Martouf.. that would be funny.

New asgard!!!!
O give me a break, Sheppard already went there and did it a lot better… stupid.
Ok, now shippers don’t get what they what but still …. Blahh… but the Asgard …. That was funny. :)
Top minds of 18 different universes, that was nice thing to say.
Its nice to have a very positive asgard… yes Daniel so do we all (miss Thor that is)

Gee the black clad SG-1 is acting evil, is that like foreshadowing? Or are all of the other SG-1s in on it to save their worlds? They did choose Zats and not p90s
Are these Ori SG-1? Wraith universe SG-1?

Maybe it should not be so easy to open the brig door… just a thought. I guess now we know how Vala got away. Wouldn’t the other Carter know this…..uh guess so. Yeah!!! Good SG-1 is smart too!!! Our Teal’c is nicer though… why the pants?

Is that Siler?!?!?! Yeah!!!... Walter and an Asgard… Yeah!!!!
Why is Daniel acting like that… how can people say his character has not changed. He used to care about science.

OK, don’t cut the green one that’s my advice. Dohh… more shipper stuff. …. Blahhh
And Janet is leeeaaavvvinnnngggggg noooooo.. and Martouf tooo… I am sad.:(

Good ep by our friends Joseph Mallozzi & Paul Mullie and Peter DeLuise. In fact I will watch that several times to pick out all the SG-1s and tells in the episode..

only the 2nd S9 ep I would do that with.

Cinephilic TV Addict
January 20th, 2006, 06:03 PM
This was almost a good episode. 2 1/2 stars.

The problem, of course, is with the ‘bad’ SG-1 – the episode just got crappy once the ‘bad’ colonel Mitchell started spilling his guts, but ended well with Frasier and Martouf.

However, easily the best ep of the new half-season

NakedJehutyV2
January 20th, 2006, 06:04 PM
best SG1 ep ever

my wish came true the 1st alternate sg1 is the "evil" one. they almost screwed 17 other universes for their own. yeah that's evil.

michelleb
January 20th, 2006, 06:05 PM
So the shippers get what they want… blahh


only the 2nd S9 ep I would do that with.

not the sam and jack shippers.....

prion
January 20th, 2006, 06:07 PM
This thread was here today full of stuff and now it's empty. What gives??

Anyway, I give this episode an "average" rating as there was too much talking, technobabble and too many Carters. I really do like Sam but the only good thing was watching various permutations (outfits, hair, eyeglasses, blue jello).

The writers will never say who alternate Sam's honeymooned with, left the team for, got pregnant by.

Had some good points: a snotty Asgard, some fun dialogue from Mitchell and Daniel, but otherwise, it's not a very memorable episode, except...

WILL THE WRITERS PLEASE remember what you had characters on Atlantis doing? Shep makes remark about naked Asgard, now Mitchell does? ARGH~!

spg_1983
January 20th, 2006, 06:08 PM
Finally! A good SG-1 episode with the new cast! Its about time! This is what they have been lacking all season, the good old SG-1 chemistry. No Ori BS, plot incosistencies with the Ancients, and absolutely ridciculous crisis' with over the top solutions that are impossible to even consider being believable even with ridiculous amounts of suspension-of-disbelief.

CKO
January 20th, 2006, 06:09 PM
i was lovin' it.... gods lots of mitchell... i think i thunked a few too many times.

sueKay
January 20th, 2006, 06:10 PM
I ain't a happy shipper

not a thing in this ep to make me happy.

Maybe if I was a Sam/Martouf shipper I'd be happy.

CYBEREAGLE19
January 20th, 2006, 06:11 PM
I enjoyed this epsisode, yeah more asgard, another trek refrence where cam mentions the ecilv one have the beard hintint at the mirror universe from the origanl trek, great seeing janet and martouf again, lol cam saying something about vasir not wearing pants, and yeah tons of carters thats rodneys worst nightmare

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 20th, 2006, 06:12 PM
Great episode. I give it a ****. I think with this episode, Season 9 is going to get better. It was good to have Janet and Martouf back. Janet looked skinny and short in that white sg-uniform, something I haven't noticed before. I personally like that asgard that was in the episode. I knew this was going to be a good episode after seeing the teaser.

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 06:14 PM
best SG1 ep ever

my wish came true the 1st alternate sg1 is the "evil" one. they almost screwed 17 other universes for their own. yeah that's evil. Yes, and no evil hair! How unlike the writers to not supply at least one goatee! :P

Now that they've learned how to send everyone "back to where they came from" does that mean that we will get more crossovers in future?? Teal'c's last line to Janet about "may it not be the last time" he sees her...so touching.

Okay, so it's a long shot, but I missed Janet so!! ;)

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
January 20th, 2006, 06:14 PM
I think that Joe was hinting at a romance between Jack and Sam... or at least, I can hope. ;)

Great episode, great chemistry, very fun plot, good solid ending.
Final rating: ***

It's not a **** only because it doesn't seriously advance the plot... although it does come close, referencing future episodes and all.

CKO
January 20th, 2006, 06:15 PM
tons of carters... more like a rodney dream come true... (up to a point) i loved seein jan again... makes me even sadder that she was killed in our uni

thorshammer
January 20th, 2006, 06:15 PM
Wouldn't it be great if Jack was on one of the SG-1s. He would get crazy with all the Carters around. They used alot of cliches in this ep. Oh, one other thing:
http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/stargate/thor/thor27.gifAn Asgardhttp://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/stargate/thor/thor27.gif
He was great!

marimba26
January 20th, 2006, 06:16 PM
not the sam and jack shippers.....

maybe in an alternate universe we got what we want...

Maybe I'm old-fashioned or maybe I've just been watching this show for entirely too long. I thought the concept was cool at the beginning, SG-1 a la "The Triangle". I just thought it never quite got there. And why bring up the ship if you weren't going to actually get off the fence? Those splinters must be dug in pretty deep by now. While I'm normally not a huge a fan of technobabble, it's absence here made sure that the scientific part of the plot fell flat. I enjoyed Ben and I enjoyed seeing Siler, Janet and Martouf again, I missed them. Or maybe I just miss the show I used to love so much. I liked "Collateral Damage" last week but I didn't like this one and that makes me feel kind of sad. :(

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 06:17 PM
Wouldn't it be great if Jack was on one of the SG-1s. He would get crazy with all the Carters around. They used alot of cliches in this ep. Oh, one other thing:
http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/stargate/thor/thor27.gifAn Asgardhttp://www.thescifiworld.net/img/smilies/stargate/thor/thor27.gif
He was great!
I was hoping for an alternate universe Thor, but I guess that was just too much to ask for! :P

keppiezbt
January 20th, 2006, 06:18 PM
anyone want to give a summary

LaCroix
January 20th, 2006, 06:19 PM
A very good episode. Something I haven't said in a long time. I hated to see Janet and Martouf leave at the end.

prion
January 20th, 2006, 06:19 PM
I ain't a happy shipper

not a thing in this ep to make me happy.

Maybe if I was a Sam/Martouf shipper I'd be happy.

I would think that all shippers would be happy? Sam's honeymooning, married, pregnant. They never said WHO the hubby/father was so just take your picture. Jack, Pete, the mailman.

MarshAngel
January 20th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Good episode but.... whatever happened to entropic cascade failure?

AGateFan
January 20th, 2006, 06:23 PM
Good episode but.... whatever happened to entropic cascade failure?
Plot hole.

walterIsTheMan
January 20th, 2006, 06:24 PM
A room full of Carters...*drools*

walterIsTheMan
January 20th, 2006, 06:25 PM
Good episode but.... whatever happened to entropic cascade failure?
They said something about why it wasn't happening, Dr. Lee mentioned it. I dont remember what he said though.

mgehman
January 20th, 2006, 06:26 PM
Good episode but.... whatever happened to entropic cascade failure?
They talked about that briefly. The passing quote I think was something like," since the universes are so close together there is no entropic cascade" Or it could be a plot hole, but the failure in season 3 didn't start for 48 hours.

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
January 20th, 2006, 06:27 PM
The proximity of the alternate realities, probably as a result of the fact that the realities were still tied together, prevented the cascade failure.

BigGator5
January 20th, 2006, 06:31 PM
YES!! This is a SG-1 episode for the record books!! SG-1 vs SG-1! Dr Fraiser and Martouf!! Hint at a pregnant Carter, by who?? WHO?!?

This was a great episode no matter how you size it. I loved it!

http://forum.gateworld.net/images/gw_icons/arrow1.gif 20/9!!

walterIsTheMan
January 20th, 2006, 06:37 PM
by who?? WHO?!?
by whom ;)

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 20th, 2006, 06:39 PM
by whom ;)
I'll bet some money and say it's either Jack or Pete.

AGateFan
January 20th, 2006, 06:41 PM
I'll bet some money and say it's either Jack or Pete.
Teal'c... he wasnt on that team either? :D

ann_sgcfan
January 20th, 2006, 06:41 PM
Best Sg-1 episode this season!!! It was nice to see Janet and Martouf again!!! Sam was back with technobabble!!! Still trying to wrap my head around the SG-1 team that would want to cause such a chain reaction. How many times has our Sam worried about the grandfather effect to actually think of stranding numerous teams offworld for their own agenda. Janet and Daniel's conversation was nice! It was great to see Janet again and I'm hoping Teal'c's comment in the end will have JAnet return someday. Didn't like the little asgard guy at all!! Bring back Thor!

LtColonelSamC
January 20th, 2006, 06:42 PM
http://gateworld.net/sg1/s9/making/913.shtml

Synapse of deleted scenes. Really cool...

BigGator5
January 20th, 2006, 06:42 PM
I'll bet some money and say it's either Jack or Pete.

Some of us SCAMers, are thinking otherwise.

chocdoc
January 20th, 2006, 06:47 PM
Best SG-1 episode of the entire season, hands down!!

The humor, the drama and the twists were great!! A nice blend of all three. Loved seeing Martouf and Janet!! Sam was great in this one all around!! Great acting by AT. I liked everyone in this one, and all the actors seemed relaxed. A better team feel in this one than in previous episodes.

Wanted a bit more with Sam and Janet, but at least we did see them together. Loved the scenes with Daniel, Janet and Teal'c.

One of the few episodes that I can't wait to watch again!!

Good going on the writing on this one, JM.

jonno
January 20th, 2006, 06:48 PM
So, just to check (i've not read through the thread to avoid spoilers - (UK person here)). All the hype was not in vain, and it was a fantastic episode? (I have to admit I was scared it wouldn't live up to expectations - but it did, right? (Please say yes - i'm so hoping it's one of the bests eps ever).

prion
January 20th, 2006, 06:49 PM
http://gateworld.net/sg1/s9/making/913.shtml

Synapse of deleted scenes. Really cool...

Er, you mean synopsis ;) Synapse means the place at which a nervous impulse passes from one neuron to another ;)

michelleb
January 20th, 2006, 06:52 PM
Er, you mean synopsis ;) Synapse means the place at which a nervous impulse passes from one neuron to another ;)


made us sam/jack shippers nervous, and have some pretty urgent impulses...

mind you, i'll put up with almost anything to see janet again (almost....) and from i've read and the screen caps i've seen, the non-ship aspects were fantastic (Janet!!!!)

sueKay
January 20th, 2006, 06:58 PM
I'm happy with the overall story, but Sam/Martouf was a kick in the teeth to a lot of people.

And what's with the Sam/Cam stuff on the deleted scene page?????

Enough Sam/everyone ship please!

KillerMercury
January 20th, 2006, 06:58 PM
So, this episode...is a classic! It brought back characters that we've missed, referenced a plethora of old episodes, a great team episode, plus, a BIG hint of what may have happen to Sam.

I'm still going over the initial rush, and its been an hour already. This is up there with "Window of Oppurtunity" as one of my faves.



http://gateworld.net/sg1/s9/making/913.shtml

Synapse of deleted scenes. Really cool...

I agree. Hopefully all of these would be in the DVD. But...I can't believe that there was this big possibility that Cam and Sam are together. I mean, I knew that Cam's hand just touching her in the Prometheus was a bit out of place, but I just thought they've become good friends. I know that it's long shot, with RDA not with the show anymore, but Jack and Sam, man! It's just...supposed to be...*whines more* Well, it is just ONE universe, right? Right?

10/10!!!!!!

Uber
January 20th, 2006, 06:58 PM
I enjoyed this episode a lot ... lots of Sam's which was fun.

I hated how we didn't get much Sam and Janet interaction...I was hoping for a bit of a teary eyed reunion...but oh well. There's only so much that can fit into 42 minutes.

My lingering questions...

Who was Black Sam married to?

Who was Desert Sam pregnant by? (and why didn't our Sam even flinch at the idea)?

Why on earth did our Sam almost kiss Martouf? Was it a Jolinar moment...all that stuff about Martouf dying in her arms by her hands and the way Lantash died...was it just about that or are they trying to imply that Sam's been harboring feelings for Martouf all this time?

And dangit, who was Black Sam married to and Desert Sam impregnated by? (oh wait, I already said that)

Tracy Jane
January 20th, 2006, 07:02 PM
I enjoyed this episode a lot ... lots of Sam's which was fun.

I hated how we didn't get much Sam and Janet interaction...I was hoping for a bit of a teary eyed reunion...but oh well. There's only so much that can fit into 42 minutes.

My lingering questions...

Who was Black Sam married to?

Who was Desert Sam pregnant by? (and why didn't our Sam even flinch at the idea)?

Why on earth did our Sam almost kiss Martouf? Was it a Jolinar moment...all that stuff about Martouf dying in her arms by her hands and the way Lantash died...was it just about that or are they trying to imply that Sam's been harboring feelings for Martouf all this time?

And dangit, who was Black Sam married to and Desert Sam impregnated by? (oh wait, I already said that)
Oh wait... I was about to ask the same questions. Oh well, it's either going to be Pete or Jack, and Joe was always on our side. I mean.... he was the guy who pretty much created the term "Spud" (the dump him like a sack of potatoes quote). I asked in his thread, so hopefully we'll get confirmation.

Everyone has forgotten to tell me how they dealt with ECF though. Really curious on this. I'm love the whole Entropic Cascade Failure thing.

Uber
January 20th, 2006, 07:03 PM
So, this episode...is a classic! It brought back characters that we've missed, referenced a plethora of old episodes, a great team episode, plus, a BIG hint of what may have happen to Sam.

I'm still going over the initial rush, and its been an hour already. This is up there with "Window of Oppurtunity" as one of my faves.




I agree. Hopefully all of these would be in the DVD. But...I can't believe that there was this big possibility that Cam and Sam are together. I mean, I knew that Cam's hand just touching her in the Prometheus was a bit out of place, but I just thought they've become good friends. I know that it's long shot, with RDA not with the show anymore, but Jack and Sam, man! It's just...supposed to be...*whines more* Well, it is just ONE universe, right? Right?

10/10!!!!!!Seriously, if they started pushing Sam/Cam, I'd probably throw my arms up in the air and give up on the whole thing...especially after the build up of last season, which led to...

*drum roll please*

..........................................................

get my point?

prion
January 20th, 2006, 07:04 PM
I enjoyed this episode a lot ... lots of Sam's which was fun.

I hated how we didn't get much Sam and Janet interaction...I was hoping for a bit of a teary eyed reunion...but oh well. There's only so much that can fit into 42 minutes.

My lingering questions...

Who was Black Sam married to?

Who was Desert Sam pregnant by? (and why didn't our Sam even flinch at the idea)?

Why on earth did our Sam almost kiss Martouf? Was it a Jolinar moment...all that stuff about Martouf dying in her arms by her hands and the way Lantash died...was it just about that or are they trying to imply that Sam's been harboring feelings for Martouf all this time?

And dangit, who was Black Sam married to and Desert Sam impregnated by? (oh wait, I already said that)


Hey, forget Peter or Jack. This is AU stuff, really, so it could be Joe Fallon the diplomat guy, or Barrett, or somebody we've never even heard of. Actually, that's why Hammond retired. He's too busy with the new wife ;)

KillerMercury
January 20th, 2006, 07:06 PM
Seriously, if they started pushing Sam/Cam, I'd probably throw my arms up in the air and give up on the whole thing...especially after the build up of last season, which led to...

*drum roll please*

..........................................................

get my point?


Got it. ;)

And I just realized that my shock's also affecting my grammar. I meant, "what may happen to Sam."

AGateFan
January 20th, 2006, 07:07 PM
Seriously, if they started pushing Sam/Cam, I'd probably throw my arms up in the air and give up on the whole thing...especially after the build up of last season, which led to...

*drum roll please*

..........................................................

get my point?
You know, I actually almost wrote NOOOOOOooooo CAM\SAM shipp... but then I thought I was just over reacting to the scene because I am a big anti-scam person... Turns out my initial reactions to that scene were correct.

Just end the SCAM already, please, I Beg of everything holy and good that we just NOT GO THERE. PLEASE, Please, please, please..

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 07:07 PM
*runs off to change sig again in honor of tonight's ep*

How can I possibly fault an ep that hints at the possibility implied in the very first GW sig I ever created for myself?? :P

michelleb
January 20th, 2006, 07:10 PM
*runs off to change sig again in honor of tonight's ep*

How can I possibly fault an ep that hints at the possibility implied in the very first GW sig I ever created for myself?? :P


i always loved that sig.....mmmm, multiple daniels (which would mean there would be at least one for janet..)

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 07:12 PM
Hey, forget Peter or Jack. This is AU stuff, really, so it could be Joe Fallon the diplomat guy, or Barrett, or somebody we've never even heard of. Actually, that's why Hammond retired. He's too busy with the new wife ;) ROFL!! Oh, SO true. *giggles* I mean, after all, Sam hugged him WAAAAY more than she did anyone else these last nine years. :hammond06:

phoenyyx
January 20th, 2006, 07:12 PM
Loved tonight's episode - agree with everybody - Martouf, Janet, etc. But where was Col. Davis???? The missing link....sigh! ANd seeing alt. Jack would've been really fun!

nell
January 20th, 2006, 07:14 PM
I would think that all shippers would be happy? Sam's honeymooning, married, pregnant. They never said WHO the hubby/father was so just take your picture. Jack, Pete, the mailman.

It's Jack, of course. If you pay attention to canon a la the pattern of past AU Sams and Jacks and Threads and Moebius, it's gotta be Jack. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

stargate barbie
January 20th, 2006, 07:14 PM
well i'll see it on tuesday, but from what i've read it sounds pretty amazing.

regarding ship, the martouf thing i'm assuming was a left over jolinar/i killed you reaction. the married/pregnant thing? i like to assume its jack on both of those. the sam/cam thing? i'm assuming all down to the directing of the ep as it doesn't sound like it was written. and i would hate if they were to try to start up that ship considering the 8 years spent building on s/j ship.

really pleased to hear that it's a team episode, i was really missing that this year. i hope i'm going to enjoy this as much as i think i will.

prion
January 20th, 2006, 07:14 PM
ROFL!! Oh, SO true. *giggles* I mean, after all, Sam hugged him WAAAAY more than she did anyone else these last nine years. :hammond06:

Or, wait a sec, we didn't see Thor... off on business my a**. He's with Sam, on a honeymoon! Ha! (remember, this is AU, Thor might have the requisite 'parts' ..:p

nell
January 20th, 2006, 07:15 PM
I'll bet some money and say it's either Jack or Pete.
It's Jack! AU Janet was grinning too much for it not to be Jack. My.Story.Stickin'.To.It!!!

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 07:15 PM
I'll bet some money and say it's either Jack or Pete. I'm still pulling for WALTER. :P

Daniel's_twin
January 20th, 2006, 07:15 PM
This was another truly excellent episode of SG-1. Carter realizing what the problem was, but having nothing with which to solve it......yet was excellent. The fact that they actually had to turn away how many SG teams was pretty freaky actually. I'm glad that Dr. Lee asked the question of why it seems to be only SG-1 (curiously, I had mentioned something along those lines, too). Cool to see geeky Carter in the background while the real Carter was talking with Dr. Lee. But I wish that I could've heard why intropic cascade failure wasn't seeming to set in (I wish my dad would SHUT UP DURING THE EPISODES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:tealcanime22: :tealcanime22: :tealcanime22: :tealcanime22: :tealcanime22: :tealcanime22: :tealcanime22: :tealcanime22:)

The possible outcomes were also interesting. Selmak not being dead, Martouf being alive as well as Janet (great seeing them both again). An SGC run by marines instead of airforce? A little scary. The Prometheus scenes were excellent, too. As well as the ones with the Agard. Although he kinda seemed to be this episodes C-3PO (think the intimate moment with Han and Leia in the Empire Strikes Back vs. the intimate scene with Sam and Martouf). I wholeheartedly agreed and I think I might have even said it along with Daniel when he said I miss Thor. Can't wait to see him again.

I'm not going to hold eyes too long. I'm just going to summarize by saying that this is continuing SG-1's trend of outstanding episodes this season. I give this a very well-earned five out of five stars. :cool:

prion
January 20th, 2006, 07:16 PM
It's Jack, of course. If you pay attention to canon a la the pattern of past AU Sams and Jacks and Threads and Moebius, it's gotta be Jack. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Actually, it's waht you want to perceive it as. Jack. Martouf, Pete, etc. That's why they don't mention a name. It saves TPTB from being savaged by any one disappointed fan group ;)

Nah, it's Hammond. You know what they say about bald guys ;)

stargate barbie
January 20th, 2006, 07:16 PM
Or, wait a sec, we didn't see Thor... off on business my a**. He's with Sam, on a honeymoon! Ha! (remember, this is AU, Thor might have the requisite 'parts' ..:p
Oh My God! it all makes sense now. i'm a smor shipper all the way from now on! :p

Daniel's_twin
January 20th, 2006, 07:17 PM
I'm still pulling for WALTER. :P

My mom actually said that it was Daniel. I think she was in jest. A lotta shippers are gonna be miffed that they haven't even mentioned Jack's name. Myself included, only I'm not foaming at the mouth. PTB, beware! :cool:

stargate barbie
January 20th, 2006, 07:18 PM
Actually, it's waht you want to perceive it as. Jack. Martouf, Pete, etc. That's why they don't mention a name. It saves TPTB from being savaged by any one disappointed fan group ;)

Nah, it's Hammond. You know what they say about bald guys ;)
they wear hats? ;)

ann_sgcfan
January 20th, 2006, 07:18 PM
Seriously, if they started pushing Sam/Cam, I'd probably throw my arms up in the air and give up on the whole thing...especially after the build up of last season, which led to...

*drum roll please*

..........................................................

get my point?


:D I'm constantly getting the feeling that tptb are trying everything they can to deter everyone away from anything that will remind them of Jack. Where is Thor? Where did JAck go really? Sam had already dealt with jolinar's feelings in Last Stand I believe back in S5. I was hoping they would have dealt with Sam having killed Martouf instead.

I also want to know who Sam in black was married to and Desert Sam pregnant by?

NO NO NO Sam/Cam

ShardsofGlass
January 20th, 2006, 07:20 PM
For everyone who's reacting to the missing scene between Sam and Cam holding hands -- did you see the part where Joe said that was a mistake? That the scene had never been intended to go that way and the director misinterpreted the script? I don't think we have to worry about any ship at all. Ever. It's just an outtake.

But back to the ep. Very enjoyable. A big thumbs up from me.

phoenyyx
January 20th, 2006, 07:20 PM
And what about the trailer for next week? What is it with Sam kissing yet another guy? Jack would be so disappointed in her - as would I!!!!!

Erin
January 20th, 2006, 07:20 PM
I jumped out of my seat when Teal'c said Carter was married... then I panicked, hoping it wasn't Pete. It's gotta be Jack... it's always been Jack... so it is Jack.

My only second would be Barrett... then I got to see him in Atlantis!!

Ripple Effect is now my favorite season 9 episode!!

Mio
January 20th, 2006, 07:20 PM
I enjoyed this episode. It was one of the more memorable Season 9, vastly superior to last weeks. The scene with all the carters in the lab was funny. But I really couldn't figure out the reason for the other team to go evil, which was a pleasant surprise. I hate it when: 'Ok, they're evil, so its obvious that they're going to do this.' I didn't forsee them wanting to go after the ZPM, and until they confessed, I didn't have any idea that it was their universe who caused the original mess.

Overall, I give it a 9/10.

The asgard was great. I would have liked it better if his weapon blew up or fell and smashed, though.

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 07:20 PM
regarding ship, the martouf thing i'm assuming was a left over jolinar/i killed you reaction. the married/pregnant thing? i like to assume its jack on both of those. the sam/cam thing? i'm assuming all down to the directing of the ep as it doesn't sound like it was written. and i would hate if they were to try to start up that ship considering the 8 years spent building on s/j ship.
I think they were just trying to throw in as many variations as possible to go along with the idea of subtle differences in each universe. AFAIC and regardless of ship or no-ship, all the differences were amusing. I also thought it was great that they chose Sam as the one to use as the touchstone.

And I'd say it's a toss-up between George and Walter. :P (Only because Dr. Lee is already married.) ;)

michelleb
January 20th, 2006, 07:23 PM
And what about the trailer for next week? What is it with Sam kissing yet another guy? Jack would be so disappointed in her - as would I!!!!!


she was WHAT???!!!! :jack_new_anime05: we don't get trailers in the UK (haven't even seen ripple effect in UK) so util you said thatm i would i have no warning until i saw it happen!!!!

Uber
January 20th, 2006, 07:24 PM
You know, I actually almost wrote NOOOOOOooooo CAM\SAM shipp... but then I thought I was just over reacting to the scene because I am a big anti-scam person... Turns out my initial reactions to that scene were correct.

Just end the SCAM already, please, I Beg of everything holy and good that we just NOT GO THERE. PLEASE, Please, please, please..Seriously. It'd be the end for me. Especially after watching Sam go through the emotional wringer for years regarding Jack, the whole emotional journey of self discovery, the whole watershed moment of Threads...

Shipping her with Cam is just a ghastly idea in any reality...and thankfully JM saw fit to squash that idea of PDL's (someone for whom I'm imagining all sorts of evil torture scenarios [okay not EVIL evil...I'm not a violent girl after all]).

That Martouf thing is still a head scratcher for me, just like Sam not correcting Lam and Landry with their "intimate relationship" comment in 4th Horseman 2 (the glowing soul sharing thing was intimate, but that's not the way they read it). Back to Martouf, was she shocked at seeing him and reliving a Jolinar moment? Because she and Martouf never kissed. Ever. They clasped hands though in The Tok'ra though. But for her to lean in to kiss him was just...weird...like, where did that come from? And what implication does that have regarding Jack (if any)?

I liked Kvasir. I also liked that Carter was irked by him much as Jack was irked by Aegir.

I also realized (again) how much I missed Janet and would love to see her back...somehow. Hey, it's scifi...anything's possible.

LtColonelSamC
January 20th, 2006, 07:25 PM
Er, you mean synopsis ;) Synapse means the place at which a nervous impulse passes from one neuron to another ;)

LOL. I'm a history person. I'm a bad speller. :) Thanks, though.

prion
January 20th, 2006, 07:26 PM
she was WHAT???!!!! :jack_new_anime05: we don't get trailers in the UK (haven't even seen ripple effect in UK) so util you said thatm i would i have no warning until i saw it happen!!!!

Oh, that's Sam kissing McKay. It's from next week's "Grace Under Pressure." To say anything more would be spoilers, but that's just the beginning.... ahem cough cough.

Yeah, we forgot him. She's married to McKay. makes sense. He's the only guy who can understand what she says. The rest of the guys just roll their eyes.

prion
January 20th, 2006, 07:28 PM
For everyone who's reacting to the missing scene between Sam and Cam holding hands -- did you see the part where Joe said that was a mistake? That the scene had never been intended to go that way and the director misinterpreted the script? I don't think we have to worry about any ship at all. Ever. It's just an outtake.

But back to the ep. Very enjoyable. A big thumbs up from me.

Actually, whatever is presente don screen is canon. What the writer says afterwards about being a mistake, well, that's his opinion but not the viewers. Shows are made to be interpreted by viewers, otherwise, the writer should be penning documentaries ;)

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 07:28 PM
My mom actually said that it was Daniel. I think she was in jest. A lotta shippers are gonna be miffed that they haven't even mentioned Jack's name. Myself included, only I'm not foaming at the mouth. PTB, beware! :cool: Who said Teal'c? Yeah, I say the real money's on Teal'c!! :tecmate:

Tracy Jane
January 20th, 2006, 07:29 PM
Oh, that's Sam kissing McKay. It's from next week's "Grace Under Pressure." To say anything more would be spoilers, but that's just the beginning.... ahem cough cough.

Yeah, we forgot him. She's married to McKay. makes sense. He's the only guy who can understand what she says. The rest of the guys just roll their eyes.
McKay would be hilarious. They already bicker like an old married couple :P

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
January 20th, 2006, 07:30 PM
The trailer for Stronghold did not show anyone kissing anyone. Phoenyyx, you are insane.

Uber
January 20th, 2006, 07:30 PM
Actually, it's waht you want to perceive it as. Jack. Martouf, Pete, etc. That's why they don't mention a name. It saves TPTB from being savaged by any one disappointed fan group ;)

Nah, it's Hammond. You know what they say about bald guys ;)Right. Because being vague has been so helpful in the past. Why tick off one group of fandom when you can irritate most groups with ambiguity??? ;)

Threads was as vague as a steamroller so I'm confused why they think that dancing around this topic would make people happy. I mean dancing was fine when RDA was a series regular (and thus nothing could happen between them without causing harm to the show/team dynamic), but what's the reason now? Will non/anti/other shippers be soooo horrified that Sam actually is with Jack offscreen that they'll have hissy fits and leave?

Her being involved with anyone should have zero bearing on the team now...so why not continue her story arc and show conclusively that she (and we who followed this arc) didn't go through all that crapola for nothing??? Is that too much to hope for???

stargate barbie
January 20th, 2006, 07:31 PM
i think you'll find she's married to bra'tac and pregnant by kinsey (and just typing that last part makes me feel filthy)

ann_sgcfan
January 20th, 2006, 07:31 PM
And what about the trailer for next week? What is it with Sam kissing yet another guy? Jack would be so disappointed in her - as would I!!!!!

I'll have to look again, because I saw the spoilers for next week and I didn't see that.

michelleb
January 20th, 2006, 07:33 PM
Oh, that's Sam kissing McKay. It's from next week's "Grace Under Pressure." To say anything more would be spoilers, but that's just the beginning.... ahem cough cough.

Yeah, we forgot him. She's married to McKay. makes sense. He's the only guy who can understand what she says. The rest of the guys just roll their eyes.


phew! thanks, i already know how that turns out

the dancer of spaz
January 20th, 2006, 07:36 PM
All of this yammering and not one synopsis. For shame. Come on! I don't see this ep for another 24 hours (Thank God for TiVo). :samanime15: :tealcanime22: :ronananime01:

Dani76
January 20th, 2006, 07:38 PM
OMG, this was great, hilarious. The BEST episode this season - hands down.
Too bad they had to delete all these scenes.

Great performances by everybody, looved the '15-Carters-scene'. You could tell that the actors were enjoying themselves.

I loved all the little insider jokes.

If I could give it more than an 'Outstanding", I would. I want MORE. :D

Erised
January 20th, 2006, 07:38 PM
Twelve (more?) Carters in one room was soo hilarious. I was rotflmao! All the Carters speaking simultaneously, the rest of real SG-1 passing by a dozen of AU ones, was beyond funny!
Carter pregnant? Carter after honeymoon? Any ideas who the man is?? Yes I thought so too! I didn’t know I’d be squeeing so much during SG-1 ever again! Too bad Martouf was interrupted before he could say “Jack!”. I thought it was a bit weird that Sam didn’t ask at the end who got her pregnant, lol.
Evil SG-1, now that’s something OUR SG-1 would never do! LOL
Sam and Martouf getting together? That was just weird!
And………..cut the green wire?? What’s that about?? Interesting!
It was soo nice seeing Janet again! And she’s blonde now! LOL. Wasn’t she red before? I expected to see Sam’s reaction to when Janet just got back, but instead we got Daniel’s and Teal’c’s. Well I understand why Daniel would be there – he saw her die, but Teal’c? (sorry Teal'c lovers)
I just loooved that they mentioned Atlantis several times!

phoenyyx
January 20th, 2006, 07:42 PM
The trailer for Stronghold did not show anyone kissing anyone. Phoenyyx, you are insane.

No joke - I swear - she goes to Atlantis to help him out, and next thing you know - they're standing in water, and she kisses him. It was shown at the end of the episode. Now I have to admit- I was watchin SGA as well, so it could've been the trailer for next week's SGA

prion
January 20th, 2006, 07:43 PM
i think you'll find she's married to bra'tac and pregnant by kinsey (and just typing that last part makes me feel filthy)

Shudder. Kinsey?? Shudder.

Okay, potential candidates for marriage/fatherhood

Jack
Pete
Bra'tac
Kinsey (euee)
Agent Barrett
Joe Fallon
Martouf
The milkman
General Hammond (yes!)
Major Davis
Orlin
Siler
Daniel
Teal'c

Well, hey, any unattached male, or heck, even a woman (since pregnancy can be done other ways).

Thor. Yeah, Thor. Sneaky little guy....

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
January 20th, 2006, 07:44 PM
Yeah, it was. In Grace Under Pressure, Rodney is sort of doomed and imagines that she is there. But she isn't.

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 07:44 PM
I don't think "Black Outfit" SG1 were necessarily evil ... just a tad less ... ahem... ethical. ;) After all, they were trying to SAVE their own universe and its billions of people.

Besides, they couldn't be completely evil. They were not sporting the one definitive "bad" sign: evil hair. :P At least not anywhere we could see. :rolleyes:

nccjones
January 20th, 2006, 07:45 PM
Ok...I'm writing my comments before reading all other posts which I usually don't (and I posted on Atlantis before this....watch out SG1..they are definately gaining on you)

Anyway...I voted great for this episode! I was really not liking Mitchell, but I actually liked him in this episode. As long as they don't do many more Mitchell is so great episodes, I can deal with him.

This was totally a team episode...or should I say 16 team episode? I didn't suspect that the first team through would be the bad guys. I thought it would be the Rambo team (I liked them).

Teryl Rothery....it was so nice to see Janet again :) I just wish they had utilized her a little more, like maybe her team also going on the Prometheus. I thought it was neat that she was on the team with Daniel, Mitchell and Martouf. BTW...where was Teal'c in that team? Never explained.

AT...Sam did wonderful in this episode. I love how she's finally getting a sense of humor. The I have no idea.....yet. I was touched how they played Sam and Martouf. I know people don't like romance of any kind...but it was beautifully done. I love how Sam kept trying to find out who her alternate self was with...lol.

Teal'c...great as usual. This was his best "Indeed" line too...I got a kick out it.

Daniel Daniel Daniel...he's so cute no matter what reality he's in. Really didn't have much to do this episode, but it didn't bother me because I like him in every episode no matter what. I was so touched by his reaction to Janet and the hug at the end...I was crying! I've never cried during a Stargate episode before...not even Heroes.

Mitchell...for once he didn't bother me :) I was laughing when he was talking with himself about old Aunt...oh what's her name. That was hilarious. I did not suspect that the Mitchell who was pushed through the door was Alt Mitchell. That was good. I love episodes where they throw a surprise in every now and then.

Great episode. We need more team episodes like that. Oh...and we finally got to see the Gate...alot!

AGateFan
January 20th, 2006, 07:46 PM
I don't think "Black Outfit" SG1 were necessarily evil ... just a tad less ... ahem... ethical. ;) After all, they were trying to SAVE their own universe and its billions of people.

Besides, they couldn't be completely evil. They were not sporting the one definitive "bad" sign: evil hair. :P At least not anywhere we could see. :rolleyes:
They also choose Zats over P90s. They should have known they (themselves) would be trouble. So if they were really evil then the best thing for them to do was to kill our SG-1. Thankfully they were not evil...just misguided.

ShardsofGlass
January 20th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Actually, whatever is presente don screen is canon. What the writer says afterwards about being a mistake, well, that's his opinion but not the viewers. Shows are made to be interpreted by viewers, otherwise, the writer should be penning documentaries ;)

Yes, but I thought people were reacting to Joe's report rather than to the ep in which there was no hand holding or kissing. We agree.

prion
January 20th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Yeah, it was. In Grace Under Pressure, Rodney is sort of doomed and (DELETED).

Please put your stuff in spoiler white, thanks ;) Not everybody has seen it yet

phoenyyx
January 20th, 2006, 07:51 PM
I have to say though - when the 3rd alt. SG-1 team came through, I was DYING!!!! And I AGREE - I liked Rambo SG-1 too! ANd I love all the Sams - even the wishy washy, not so confident Sam(Glasses)

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 07:51 PM
They also choose Zats over P90s. They should have known they (themselves) would be trouble. So if they were really evil then the best thing for them to do was to kill our SG-1. Thankfully they were not evil...just misguided.
That is a very good point which I completely overlooked. I think you are right, and it supports the "driven to extreme measures" stance.

sg1niner
January 20th, 2006, 07:51 PM
wow sam gets around....lol

jyh
January 20th, 2006, 07:51 PM
I liked this episode. I don't generally care for time-travel or alternate-reality storylines, but this one was pretty interesting. It was also very amusing, with all the SG-1s floating around. It was a great opportunity for Carter to say she'd been working with "me, myself, and I" to fix the problem. And there was a lot of humor, mostly provided by Mitchell. I foretold to my son that one of the SG teams would be "bad," and also that at some point they would switch and pretend to be the other one, and sure enough, they did. It was VERY convenient that each SG-1 team wore a different style of camo, but very handy as well for purposes of telling them apart. We did wonder why O'Neill wasn't a member of any of the teams. Or Jonas, for that matter. All universes seemed to progress to pretty much the same point... on earth, at least. Now don't get me wrong, I do have my quibbles about this episode, but overall I thought it was interesting and amusing.

stargate barbie
January 20th, 2006, 07:52 PM
Shudder. Kinsey?? Shudder.

Okay, potential candidates for marriage/fatherhood

Jack
Pete
Bra'tac
Kinsey (euee)
Agent Barrett
Joe Fallon
Martouf
The milkman
General Hammond (yes!)
Major Davis
Orlin
Siler
Daniel
Teal'c

Well, hey, any unattached male, or heck, even a woman (since pregnancy can be done other ways).

Thor. Yeah, Thor. Sneaky little guy....
ok you left out;

the postman
rak'nor
walter
landry (no!)
cam (no way!)


and you can take pete right off that list buddy! gggrrr. :p
(and i think its supposed to be joe faxon, but i'm not 100% on that)

sg1niner
January 20th, 2006, 07:53 PM
That is a very good point which I completely overlooked. I think you are right, and it supports the "driven to extreme measures" stance.


I think they took the zats because they really didnt want to hurt anyone. Just lock them away and finish their job.

Daniel's Sister
January 20th, 2006, 08:02 PM
This was a very good ep.
The only problem that I had with it is that my dad wouldn't be quiet. And he kept on asking questions that we woldn't know the answer to. And we even missed a key line because he was saying something. But back to the ep:
I loved all the little carters that were there. :sam: :samanime24: :samanime20: :sam59: :samanime15: :sam43: :samanime27: :sam34: :samanime51: :sam49:. And when General Lamdry came in and said 'Carter', all the carters looked at him.
And I noticed something. When Carter was talking to Dr. Lee, Geeky Carter that we met in Moebius, was eating blue jello. Even in alternet realitys, she still loves her blue jello.
Oh and the story line was good. a little confusing sometimes :tealcanime49: , but,I really liked it. :cameron21:

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 08:03 PM
It was a great opportunity for Carter to say she'd been working with "me, myself, and I" to fix the problem. Yes, my very favorite lines in the whole ep were right after that when Cam says, "Finally someone who can keep up with ya, huh?", and Sam answers with utter satisfaction, "Yup!" :samanime20:

Skydiver
January 20th, 2006, 08:11 PM
a totally shallow comment.....cam in his undies!!!! priceless!!!

i had it so pegged. i was watching and my friend goes 'where's cam' and i said, hanging out somewhere in his undies...next shot, cam walking in in his shorts


that and geek sam. it was nice to see her again and know that she's out there somewhere

i'm gonna ignore the huge honkin plot hole of them going off world wearing green, coming back wearing black and no one notices to say that this was probably the most enjoyable episode the whole season

Osiris-RA
January 20th, 2006, 08:13 PM
First, can I say, Best. Episode. Of. The. Season.

Next, my usual as-I-watched-commentary with minor explanations by moi.

1. Guest Starring - The Stargate! So glad to see an actual stargate on Stargate! I was starting to think this was Prometheus: SG-1. :rolleyes:

2. AWESOME!! - upon entrance of the other SG1. At this point, I was half assured this ep could actually be worth paying attention to.

3. Wait, wouldn't General B have noticed that they had different uniforms on?...Or...did I miss something...?

4. These two clowns. It's like the SGC has been invaded by people impersonating actors impersonating air force personnel! - I dunno...Lam and General B...annoy me. :S

5. Aaaaah, and the (D) possibility: They're both fakes. Easily proven by the fact that Jack is on neither team. ;)

6. LOL! Who'd she shack up with??? - Seriously...who?

7. Oh well, that solves it. Oh look, it's 8:15 already. - during the Carter/Carter banter, which usually makes sense to me, now seems to be mocking itself now-a-days...'tis refreshing though. :D

8. Rofl! Me, myself and I, eh Carts? - Hehe, She funny.

9. More teams! Yay! Let the chaos begin! - That was just too cool. That whole THING was just TOO COOL. This is either the amazing spoof ep I've been asking for, or it just TOO COOL! All those friggn' teams! Awesome! That's like, the ultimate football tournie right there! Or Pictionary..something...

10. The only good line General B's ever had. - The grand central station of the multiverse, or whatever, bit.

11. DOC!!!!!! DOC!!!!!! WE LOVE YOU!!!!

12. GEEK CARTER!! OMG!!!

13. MARTYYYY!!!!! *GUH* *goes fangirly*

I've been longing to see you, dyin' to see you but it shouldn't be like this. This was unexpected. What do I do now? Could we start again pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease? JC Superstar fans? Ya with me??

14. *gains composure back*

15. No, I'll tell you what REALLY happened Doc! You were ruthlessly maimed by words on a screenplay that got horribly out of control!! It was ghastly! GHASTLY!!

16. Hey, since JR and Teryl get to guest on a team, how come Jackie-O doesn't...? Or didn't wanna...:(

17. How come they're not being ripped apart by the space/time continuom? Or is that different?

18. Good god, he's prettyfreaky for an Asgard. They're usually...cute.

19. "Knock yourself out."?? Who ARE you??

20. Um..erm...uh... - On the almost Carty/Marty smooch.

21. Oh! Kvaisir! See, I knew something was wrong. :p - I was just now figuring out that Asgard wasn't Thor, cause I missed the mention of his name, but I'd heard it before, and not recognized it as a name. :p Is it just me or are the Asgard names starting to suck?

22. You callous son of a - - Just agreeing with General B. (I call him General B cause his name keeps escaping me...)

23. Oh no, not that ship again... - I hate the Prometheus!! :(

24. ME TOO DANNY!!! - "I miss Thor"

25. Hey...why's it gotta be the team in the Black suit!? :p - Just noting. :D

26. Mmmm, guns.

27. AMEN Bad T! - when Alternate T creamed Mitchy-poo. Hehehehehe! Sooooo gratifying!!! *Muaha*

28. Isn't that what General B was going to do? - Screw the alternates world for his own.

29. SG- vs SG-1! Boo ya! - Cool Factor 7, peeps.

30. LOL! Maternity Leave! *wink* :p!!

Best episode of the season! 'Nuff said!

FoolishPleasure
January 20th, 2006, 08:13 PM
OMG. .this one goes into my "all time fav" SG1 eppys!

Luckily I stayed away from the spoilers (except for Janet, which was all over the place). Had no idea Martouf would appear. . *sniffles* Good to see him again!

Loved the techno-babble (classic Sam), Dr. Lee is cool. Cam in his undies! AU Star Trek - evil beards (snicker)

Joe, Paul, everyone who worked on this episode - ya get A+ this week!

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 08:13 PM
I loved it.

I thought most of the science and the plot were gobbledegook, but I didn't care. I got to see Janet Frazier and Martouf again. And I had a strange sense of deja vu when I saw the mutiple Carter scene. LOL. :D Seshat, someone had to have seen your multiple Dr. Jacksons sig. :D

Droops
January 20th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Despite the fact that there were no chickens, I applauded this show when it ended. Fantastic all around. There was a ST-TNG episode similar to this, but I think this one was very well done.

Excellent to see some old faces (though Thor would have been nice too). Janet looked damned good actually. Heck, I even thought that Dr. Lam's appearance was good. And Walter, with his look at the Asgard!!! Priceless!

It might be the best episode of the season. Glad they could help one of the teams. It was sad to see that they could NOT help the other team though, but you cannot save the day always. Superb, well done.

qksilver99
January 20th, 2006, 08:15 PM
A very good episode. Something I haven't said in a long time. I hated to see Janet and Martouf leave at the end.

Agreed. I've watched Season 9 and treated the show like a brand new show as it was the only way I could watch it, but tonight, it clicked. It was the old SG, the show I used to plan my Friday nights around.

It was nice to see that they mentioned O'Neill, Selmak & Jacob (What? No Hammond? :P) and it was wonderful to see Janet and Martouf. (My goodness, JR with a tan and those blinding white teeth of his, how I missed them! :)

I have a great idea, how about spinoff with one of the alternative SG1s where TPTB haven't killed off all the recurring characters we loved?

Hate to say this Walter, the way things are going, you're the next Martouf, Narim, Jacob, Janet, Yu.

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 08:18 PM
i'm gonna ignore the huge honkin plot hole of them going off world wearing green, coming back wearing black and no one notices to say that this was probably the most enjoyable episode the whole season Joe tries to explain this away by saying:


Now, one of the things I'm sure the nitpickers will seize upon is the change in uniform. The real SG-1 left in greens yet the first return team comes back in black. Surely someone would have noticed. Maybe -- but, in reality, probably not. SG-1 could have headed off-world a day or two prior to returning and there's no guarantee the same personnel would be manning the gate room. (This above is taken from the GateWorld article "in The Making of Ripple Effect" (http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s9/making/913.shtml))

Osiris-RA
January 20th, 2006, 08:20 PM
Seshat, someone had to have seen your multiple Dr. Jackson's sig. :D
Lol! That's what I was thinking!

the fifth man
January 20th, 2006, 08:21 PM
Nice to see such a positive mood in here at the moment.:) I really enjoyed this ep as well. I didn't think so many teams were supposed to come through the gate, so I was pleasantly surprised. The "bad" SG-1 were pretty cool, but I agree with what some others have said. They were more misguided and driven to do what they were attempting out of lack of options than because they were evil.
As for seeing Janet and Martouf again, it was not a let-down. Almost wish they could have stayed somehow. Also, that new Asgard, Kvaisir, we were introduced to, awesome! It was so funny how he was talking to the two SG-1s onboard the Prometheus about how much danger they may face, and how they had to be strong- then he beams off the ship.:D We have to see more of him.

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 08:22 PM
21. Oh! Kvaisir! See, I knew something was wrong. :P - I was just now figuring out that Asgard wasn't Thor, cause I missed the mention of his name, but I'd heard it before, and not recognized it as a name. :P Is it just me or are the Asgard names starting to suck? LOL! In case anyone is interested, Kvasir is the name of a god
of Norse mythology who was created from the saliva of all the gods. :thoranime09:

doombringer333
January 20th, 2006, 08:24 PM
I really liked this ep. It was complicated at times - lots of tech-speak.

There were a couple of lines that were really great:

"Someone who finally understands you?"
"Yup."

The roomful of Sams was great.

Kvasir was hilarious. He gave the most underwhelming pep talk ever :) . I wonder what matter Thor was attending to that prevented him from appearing ...

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 08:25 PM
I wonder what matter Thor was attending to that prevented him from appearing ... Ummm...home babysitting?? ;)

Daniel's_twin
January 20th, 2006, 08:26 PM
LOL! In case anyone is interested, Kvasir is the name of a god
of Norse mythology who was created from the saliva of all the gods. :thoranime09:

Yuck. Thanks for the info, I... guess...*ahem*.:cool:

Skydiver
January 20th, 2006, 08:27 PM
Joe tries to explain this away by saying:
(This above is taken from the GateWorld article "in The Making of Ripple Effect" (http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s9/making/913.shtml))
cept he didn't look close enough. they didn't have any packs to carry any changes of clothes in...so there's no way for them to change since they didn't take anything to carry the clothing to change into

nice idea but....it's as full of a plot hole as the original idea

the fifth man
January 20th, 2006, 08:30 PM
Plot holes or no, I think the quality of the ep compensated for them.:)

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 08:31 PM
cept he didn't look close enough. they didn't have any packs to carry any changes of clothes in...so there's no way for them to change since they didn't take anything to carry the clothing to change into

nice idea but....it's as full of a plot hole as the original idea
If the same personnel were not in the Gate Room to remember what they were wearing when they left, then would it matter WHAT they came back in? 'Cept maybe their undies...:P

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 08:33 PM
Er, you mean synopsis ;) Synapse means the place at which a nervous impulse passes from one neuron to another ;)
I guess someone named "Prion" would know. Your name could be a science fiction plot all by itself. :P

the dancer of spaz
January 20th, 2006, 08:34 PM
One word guys: Summary. :D

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
January 20th, 2006, 08:36 PM
"But courage, and the most steadfast resolve will prove your most valuable assets on this mission. Well… *smiles* ...good luck to you all. *beams out*"

Best... line... ever.

JLB
January 20th, 2006, 08:36 PM
I'm off and on watching SG-1 this season and haven't commented on an ep before but I didn't really like this. I've decided I don't like Mitchell, and I don't like Landry.

Why did every SG-1 have a Mitchell on it? WHy not have one led by Sam, and then stick Jonas on it? Call up the guy who played the Lt. Tyler in the Fifth man. THey brought him back to the SGC and decided to see if they could use his skills.

Mitchell must actually be pretty popular. I haven't seen any complaints of how much he was featured. I guess there's no Jonas Quinn syndrome with him.

Is there a rule against mentioning Jack? What's the guy who played his clone doing?

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 08:37 PM
*runs off to change sig again in honor of tonight's ep*

How can I possibly fault an ep that hints at the possibility implied in the very first GW sig I ever created for myself?? :P
Yes, you're brilliant. :P

No really, it look so much like your sig that I had Deja Vu, laughed, then it freaked me out a little. It's like our GW universe is impinging on the Stargate Universe...and, ... and I'm giving myself a headache. :P If they used Daniel I'd think you would get royalties. :P

*****
I thought about what I just posted here for a minute and I don't think that legal case would fly. After all, you borrowed the various Daniels from the show and if they borrowed your idea right back, that's fair...right. :S

AGateFan
January 20th, 2006, 08:40 PM
If the same personnel were not in the Gate Room to remember what they were wearing when they left, then would it matter WHAT they came back in? 'Cept maybe their undies...:P

I didnt care about the people in the Gateroom. I just thought Landry should have noticed. Doesnt he have premission briefings or something where he may have seen them, in green. Or is he really just not that perceptive a guy, maybe he had Walter go to the meeting instead ;).


Plot holes or no, I think the quality of the ep compensated for them.:)

Yes, this ep was good enough that the plot holes were irrelevant. :)

the fifth man
January 20th, 2006, 08:40 PM
I'm off and on watching SG-1 this season and haven't commented on an ep before but I didn't really like this. I've decided I don't like Mitchell, and I don't like Landry.

Why did every SG-1 have a Mitchell on it? WHy not have one led by Sam, and then stick Jonas on it? Call up the guy who played the Lt. Tyler in the Fifth man. THey brought him back to the SGC and decided to see if they could use his skills.

Mitchell must actually be pretty popular. I haven't seen any complaints of how much he was featured. I guess there's no Jonas Quinn syndrome with him.

Is there a rule against mentioning Jack? What's the guy who played his clone doing?

Too bad for you. I'm sure enjoying things.:)

the fifth man
January 20th, 2006, 08:42 PM
I just thought Landry should have noticed. Doesnt he have premission briefings or something where he may have seen them, in green. Or is he really just not that perceptive a guy, maybe he had Walter go to the meeting instead ;).


Don't forget, they don't always wear their off-world gear in the mission briefings. Also, Landry may not have actually seen them embark on their particular mission.

NakedJehutyV2
January 20th, 2006, 08:42 PM
anyone else want to see camshaft could own teal'c? you know sodan arts vs whatever teal'c are? i was ah damn hell yeah but quickly let down. worse than when i vala and i had sex lol





ps i 100% agree with fifth man

the dancer of spaz
January 20th, 2006, 08:44 PM
... worse than when i vala and i had sex lol

WTF?!?

the fifth man
January 20th, 2006, 08:45 PM
anyone else want to see camshaft could own teal'c? you know sodan arts vs whatever teal'c are? i was ah damn hell yeah but quickly let down. worse than when i vala and i had sex lol





ps i 100% agree with fifth man

First off, thank you.:)
Secondly, I still think Teal'c would beat that boy to within an inch of his life. Sodan training, or no Sodan training. Teal'c's been a fighter for a long time. Nothing beats experience.

greytop
January 20th, 2006, 08:46 PM
I enjoyed the episode very much.

I liked the idea of dressing the different Sg-1's in different uniforms otherwise I can't tell the part. I also noticed the mention of different episodes, also other shows, whether mentioned or not.

IMForeman
January 20th, 2006, 08:46 PM
Cool episode. Very enjoyable. I liked that Moebius Carter was in the backround of one of the scenes.

Kvasir is annoying.

Droops
January 20th, 2006, 08:46 PM
You know, when I walk out in the morning I don't remember what my wife was wearing when I come home. They were standard uniforms, and if there was a different crew operating the gate room, then I can understand this completely.

Or, maybe someone DID notice it, but they were low ranking and didn't really have time to point it out.

This episode had tons of references to past episodes, to other sci-fi shows, etc. It had past characters, in the flesh as well as in spirit. Really, I laughed and enjoyed many of those references and had a warm feeling seeing old characters. It was worth the time, and far more entertaining than most of the other episodes this year.

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 08:47 PM
Loved tonight's episode - agree with everybody - Martouf, Janet, etc. But where was Col. Davis???? The missing link....sigh! ANd seeing alt. Jack would've been really fun!
Actually, I was expecting Kowalkski, so Janet and Martouf were a surprise, a very nice surprise. The others would have been great though. :D

the fifth man
January 20th, 2006, 08:49 PM
Kvasir is annoying.

You think so? Ah, man, I loved him personally. That talk he gave them on Prometheus about courage, and then he beams away to safety. I thought he was cool.:)

NakedJehutyV2
January 20th, 2006, 08:52 PM
First off, thank you.:)
Secondly, I still think Teal'c would beat that boy to within an inch of his life. Sodan training, or no Sodan training. Teal'c's been a fighter for a long time. Nothing beats experience.


np

still would've liked to see it.

btw vala thing is a reference to avalon or origin what vala said

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 08:52 PM
Oh, and here's Dr. Lee 's theory about the lack of Entropic Cascade Failure:

Dr. Lee: Sixteen different SG1's, sixteen different points of origin, but only one point of convergence: this universe. Now, given the fact that previous trips through this black hole didn't produce a rupture in the sub-space structure...

Sam: They may not have produced the rupture, but it is entirely possible that their repeated trips contributed to the deterioration of the space-time fabric that, weakened, eventually ceded to the singularity, creating the bridge between the various realities.

Dr. Lee: And I'm thinking that the proximity of these realities in relation to each other may account for the absence of the entropic cascade failure...

Now if anyone understands that, please explain it to me. :P

Droops
January 20th, 2006, 08:53 PM
Actually, I was expecting Kowalkski, so Janet and Martouf were a surprise, a very nice surprise. The others would have been great though. :D
Yea but we've seen him before in a 'return' type episode. This was a very nice and unexpected change of pace.

I sort of expected Janet to come back at some point this season, but Martouf . . . . never would have crossed my mind. Great surprises all around, it was a buffet of clips, quips, and smiles.

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 08:54 PM
All of this yammering and not one synopsis. For shame. Come on! I don't see this ep for another 24 hours (Thank God for TiVo). :samanime15: :tealcanime22: :ronananime01:
There was very little plot and it didn't really make sense. It was just a McGuffin for the fun. :D

the fifth man
January 20th, 2006, 08:55 PM
Oh, and here's Dr. Lee 's theory about the lack of Entropic Cascade Failure:

Dr. Lee: Sixteen different SG1's, sixteen different points of origin, but only one point of convergence: this universe. Now, given the fact that previous trips through this black hole didn't produce a rupture in the sub-space structure...

Sam: They may not have produced the rupture, but it is entirely possible that their repeated trips contributed to the deterioration of the space-time fabric that, weakened, eventually ceded to the singularity, creating the bridge between the various realities.

Dr. Lee: And I'm thinking that the proximity of these realities in relation to each other may account for the absence of the entropic cascade failure...

Now if anyone understands that, please explain it to me. :P

Well, I got nothing.:D

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Actually, I was expecting Kowalkski, so Janet and Martouf were a surprise, a very nice surprise. The others would have been great though. :D i was spoiled inadvertently, so I knew whom to expect. But I was kind of hoping beyond hope to see Jacob too. *sniff*

FoolishPleasure
January 20th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Now if anyone understands that, please explain it to me. :P
Wanna know something scary? I think I understood all that! *LOL*

*Now I know I've watched waaayyyy too many episodes* ;)

AGateFan
January 20th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Oh, and here's Dr. Lee 's theory about the lack of Entropic Cascade Failure:

Dr. Lee: Sixteen different SG1's, sixteen different points of origin, but only one point of convergence: this universe. Now, given the fact that previous trips through this black hole didn't produce a rupture in the sub-space structure...

Sam: They may not have produced the rupture, but it is entirely possible that their repeated trips contributed to the deterioration of the space-time fabric that, weakened, eventually ceded to the singularity, creating the bridge between the various realities.

Dr. Lee: And I'm thinking that the proximity of these realities in relation to each other may account for the absence of the entropic cascade failure...

Now if anyone understands that, please explain it to me. :P
I understand that it explains away a plothole... whether it makes sense or not is not relevant as it is as good an explanation as any on which one can hang suspension of disbelief on.

Droops
January 20th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Oh, and here's Dr. Lee 's theory about the lack of Entropic Cascade Failure:

Dr. Lee: Sixteen different SG1's, sixteen different points of origin, but only one point of convergence: this universe. Now, given the fact that previous trips through this black hole didn't produce a rupture in the sub-space structure...

Sam: They may not have produced the rupture, but it is entirely possible that their repeated trips contributed to the deterioration of the space-time fabric that, weakened, eventually ceded to the singularity, creating the bridge between the various realities.

Dr. Lee: And I'm thinking that the proximity of these realities in relation to each other may account for the absence of the entropic cascade failure...

Now if anyone understands that, please explain it to me. :P

It was a heavily localized distortion in the space-time continuum. :)

sg1niner
January 20th, 2006, 08:58 PM
Oh, and here's Dr. Lee 's theory about the lack of Entropic Cascade Failure:

Dr. Lee: Sixteen different SG1's, sixteen different points of origin, but only one point of convergence: this universe. Now, given the fact that previous trips through this black hole didn't produce a rupture in the sub-space structure...

Sam: They may not have produced the rupture, but it is entirely possible that their repeated trips contributed to the deterioration of the space-time fabric that, weakened, eventually ceded to the singularity, creating the bridge between the various realities.

Dr. Lee: And I'm thinking that the proximity of these realities in relation to each other may account for the absence of the entropic cascade failure...

Now if anyone understands that, please explain it to me. :P


ummm your guess is as good as mine lol ... something about space time continuum thing... and entropic cascade failure..

IMForeman
January 20th, 2006, 08:58 PM
And oh, yeah... it's just so strange seeing someone the large size of Chris Judge hugging someone the petite size of Teryl Rothery. It's just such a massive size difference.

sg1niner
January 20th, 2006, 08:58 PM
It was a heavily localized distortion in the space-time continuum. :)

awww you beat me to it. get outta my mind lol

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 08:59 PM
I don't think "Black Outfit" SG1 were necessarily evil ... just a tad less ... ahem... ethical. ;) After all, they were trying to SAVE their own universe and its billions of people.

Besides, they couldn't be completely evil. They were not sporting the one definitive "bad" sign: evil hair. :P At least not anywhere we could see. :rolleyes:
Yes, no evil "Spock" beards or midriff tops for the women. :D

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 09:01 PM
It was a heavily localized distortion in the space-time continuum. :) Okay, I get that (sorta), but why would a closer proximity of the realities in relation to each other result in a lack of ECF? I guess I assumed that "closer" meant that the effect would be worse...:S

(oh yeah, like I would know...) :rolleyes:

ChevronSeven
January 20th, 2006, 09:02 PM
I was so hoping that there was going to be another twist in that the black SG-1 turned out to be the real SG-1 instead of going with the standard "black is bad" routine.

I adored that Janet was back and that she mentioned Jack. Was not amused as the near Sam/Martouf kiss. That was just wrong on so many levels. So much for "Not Exactly."

IMForeman
January 20th, 2006, 09:02 PM
It was a heavily localized distortion in the space-time continuum. :)

At least it's certainly got all the signs. It's this big whipply-wobbly, swirly thing in space.

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 09:03 PM
Yes, no evil "Spock" beards or midriff tops for the women. :D And not a single Uhura with a dagger strapped to her thigh! ;)

Oh wait, they ALL wear knives strapped to their thighs ALREADY...:rolleyes:

FoolishPleasure
January 20th, 2006, 09:05 PM
At least it's certainly got all the signs. It's this big whipply-wobbly, swirly thing in space.
Thank goodness someone explained it in layman's terms! *LOL*

kharn the betrayer
January 20th, 2006, 09:05 PM
As soon as Dr Fraiser and Martouf came on screen I feel in love with this episode I have missed both those characters so much and was very happy to see them back :)

and yay again for anouther episode that doesnt involve the Ori and instead had an evil Sg1 as the villan

overall

4/5 just for the fact it was a fun episode and Janet and Marty came back for even if it was just for that episode

Droops
January 20th, 2006, 09:08 PM
Okay, I get that (sorta), but why would a closer proximity of the realities in relation to each other result in a lack of ECF? I guess I assumed that "closer" meant that the effect would be worse...:S

(oh yeah, like I would know...) :rolleyes:

Look Star Trek has ALREADY established that if you shoot a neutrino wave blast at empty space, when it's done simulatneously to the same space in the past, it will open a hole to the past that grows as time goes backward!

Not to mention Dan Simmons 'Hyperion' series of books where the Shrike is in multiple places in time at the same time, while time goes backwards in the valley but forwards on the rest of the planet.

Then there was Space 1999, where the Moon Base Alpha ran into itself and the future of itself, and then . . poof!

Space/time distortion, no place for wimps. :)

Droops
January 20th, 2006, 09:09 PM
At least it's certainly got all the signs. It's this big whipply-wobbly, swirly thing in space.

lolol! Yes, yes! and light bends nearby. I'm just surprised that an alternate ship didn't come busting out of it at that moment. :)

ann_sgcfan
January 20th, 2006, 09:11 PM
One word guys: Summary. :D

It’s a wonderful SG-1 episode! The best of the season so far. A Sg-1 team (dressed in black) comes through the gate early with some odd occurrence to the gate. During the briefing it becomes clear they are not our SG-1. A few minutes later the real SG-1 comes through on time dressed in green. (yes why didn't anyone notice the change in uniform). Each member of our team questions a member of the AU team. They are all suspicious is it an alien trick?? while they discuss this at least 12 to 16 AU teams (I heard both numbers) are now at the SGC.

Sam and Sam discover that it's a black hole that may have triggered the slew of SG teams arriving in one reality. Although not sure I buy the reason they didn't have entropic cascade failure. At this point +15 Carter's are in her lab with Dr. Lee trying to figure out how to get them all home.

Janet and Martouf arrive!! Janet asked about General O'Neill (at least finally someone mentioned him). Daniel and Teal'c go to meet her and shocked to see their old friend. they sadly explain that she died on a mission. Daniel explains he was with her. (touching scene) meanwhile Martouf goes to the room full of Sam's to offer his assistance ( I can only imagine what O'Neill would have said if he were in Martouf's place :)) . He (martouf) is surprised by the numerous Carter's. Geek Sam included eating blue jello. :D Dr. Lee mentions General Hammond and the AU mirror (glad Gen. Hammond was mentioned as well)

Martouf and Sam have a private discussion (unfortunate not about Sam having killed him years earlier). Martouf explains that he joined the SGC and the two of them lived together for a while but they are no longer together because she is with someone else now. THey are interrupted before we find out who. Also someone else mentioned in the show that Sam is on her honeymoon (again not known to whom).

Finally it's decided that our SG-1 and the first Sg-1 team (dressed in black) that came through the gate go on board the Prometheus to the black hole. on their way ... yep you guessed it the black SG-1 planned the hole thing so they can go to Atlantis to get a ZPM to save their universe (okay I didn't guess why they went all bad just that they would :)).

They take our SG-1 team hostage since they are the only people on the ship (so how was the AU team that had planned this so sure that only one other Sg-1 team would be aboard and not the entire crew ... not sure about this one I guess not important since it's tptb story). Our Sg-1 team out smarts the Au and retakes the ship and returns home now that they have discovered that the black Sg-1 team caused the whole mess.

Back at the Sg-1 Carter and the annoying asgard guy (not thor) fire a weapon into the active wormhole to establish a connection from our world to all the AU.

Janet's team is the last to go through and she says a goodbye. This is the first time that Janet and Sam are in a scene together. Sam hugs her long lost best friend. Janet explains that Sam is on maternity leave in her reality. Janet then hugs Daniel and Teal'c. Daniel gives her the vaccine for the Ori plague to save her world.


okay I'm sure I left something out or got something wrong. this is all going on memory. so there ytou go my take on the episode. :)

kodamawu
January 20th, 2006, 09:11 PM
Uhm I think I must've been late walking back from a commercial because I was very confused. I'm asking for spoilers here, hopefully get it to me before it reruns...
Okay so the green SG1 escaped from the cell, carter and daniel went to the engine room, and tea'lc and mitchell went to the armory and then black daniel and black teal'c showed up. the next thing I know they're in the jail cell being told that the power was cut, and either i blanked out and didn't realize it, or the next thing I know SGC is getting a transmission from carter on her laptop telling them how to fix all the problems, and everybody goes home (somewhat) happilly ever after?
Someone fill in the gaps for me please...

greytop
January 20th, 2006, 09:13 PM
I heard that there were 18 teams. That was in the conversation between Dr. Fraiser and Landry.

Droops
January 20th, 2006, 09:14 PM
SEriously, this wasn't a totally unique plot, but these days in sci-fi that's tough to come up with. On the whole I really enjoyed the mental warp that such a science fiction possibility presents. Even in high school I enjoyed reading about alternate universes and space/time problems. Some of my favorite eps in various sci-fi shows have centered around this kind of theme. To me, this episode makes SG-1 true to the genre.

Throw in some good acting, dear old characters, and a small but still viable plot, and it worked very well.

glitzgal
January 20th, 2006, 09:16 PM
Janet!

There should be other thoughts for the show but.. hmmm

Janet! :D

I was so so happy to see Janet back!

Best runner up scene however was Walter and Kvasir. LOL Absolutely perfect.

But Janet!

I missed not having Jack on, and we could have had a few other characters pop on instead of the whole "evil SG-1" plotline. But over all I liked this ep.

The line from Daniel about Thor was great. Lots of good moments, I suspect if I watch it again later I will pick up other things. Lam? Well let's say it's a good thing that she didn't have screen time with Janet. Sadly, it would have magnified what she was trying to replace. I teared up when she turned around and saw Daniel and Teal'c. And that music...

Sam had some good lines. Overall, I liked this one.

And Janet! :D

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 09:16 PM
Look Star Trek has ALREADY established that if you shoot a neutrino wave blast at empty space, when it's done simulatneously to the same space in the past, it will open a hole to the past that grows as time goes backward!

Not to mention Dan Simmons 'Hyperion' series of books where the Shrike is in multiple places in time at the same time, while time goes backwards in the valley but forwards on the rest of the planet.

Then there was Space 1999, where the Moon Base Alpha ran into itself and the future of itself, and then . . poof!

Space/time distortion, no place for wimps. :) Owww...head hurts now...:S

I'm just going to go back to being mildly amused that they named the Asgard "Kvasir" (made from the "spit of the gods") while having Cam discussing "spit takes" with himself in this ep. That's enough fancy thinkin' for me for a Friday night. ;)

Bobthespirit
January 20th, 2006, 09:17 PM
I know Stargate has culled episode concepts from Star Trek for a long time, but...this is the second in a row that does so completely directly.

Last week's: Ex Post Facto from Voyager.
This week's: Paralells from Next Generation.

Window of Opportunity was a great episode, yes, and it copied Cause and Effect from Next Generation. But, come on. There's a limit. The pryors directly rip off the Jedi, for god's sake. It's a miracle they don't have lightsabers yet.

But, nonetheless, Stargate is looking up from the start of the season. Mitchell is getting much more interesting and less lifeless, and there are actually episodes that DON'T focus on the one dimensional Ori.

Edit: Oh yes, and one question. Umm...how did Landry know that Baal had adult clones of himself? I thought we only learned that at the end of that episode -- the SGC thinks Baal is dead.

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 09:21 PM
Oh, and here's Dr. Lee 's theory about the lack of Entropic Cascade Failure:

Dr. Lee: Sixteen different SG1's, sixteen different points of origin, but only one point of convergence: this universe. Now, given the fact that previous trips through this black hole didn't produce a rupture in the sub-space structure...

Sam: They may not have produced the rupture, but it is entirely possible that their repeated trips contributed to the deterioration of the space-time fabric that, weakened, eventually ceded to the singularity, creating the bridge between the various realities.

Dr. Lee: And I'm thinking that the proximity of these realities in relation to each other may account for the absence of the entropic cascade failure...

Now if anyone understands that, please explain it to me. :P
As I said, "Gobbledygook", jibberish, technobabble, emphasis on the babble. :P It was so far out, I started to enjoy it. They must have had fun making it up...like Klingon. :D

yowo
January 20th, 2006, 09:22 PM
:sam: :jack: :daniel: :tealc:
This was a great show; I enjoyed it a great deal.
Amanda was wonderful! It was good to see her work wonders again.
Christopher was fantastic.
Michael was terrific.
It was so great to see Terrell, I miss her so much!
It was also good to see JR.
I loved the show.

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 09:27 PM
I understand that it explains away a plothole... whether it makes sense or not is not relevant as it is as good an explanation as any on which one can hang suspension of disbelief on.
By my little toe!
But I forgive Joe
Because it was fun
To have multiple SG1 :P

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 09:30 PM
Wanna know something scary? I think I understood all that! *LOL*

*Now I know I've watched waaayyyy too many episodes* ;)
Hats backs carefully away, afraid that FP will vaporize her with her brain. :P

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 09:32 PM
I just realized that I couldn't remember the last time I watched (or even wanted to watch) an ep of SG1 TWICE on a Friday night. And tonight I did watch both airings of Ripple Effect, even though I had taped it.

That makes it a good ep, IMHO, if it was worth watching again in the same evening. :)

ShimmeringStar
January 20th, 2006, 09:35 PM
Right. Because being vague has been so helpful in the past. Why tick off one group of fandom when you can irritate most groups with ambiguity??? ;)
*grins* And the more of the masses you irritate, the more ratings you're supposed to get, eh? ;) And don't forget... besides the longest running scifi show title, they can also claim the longest running viewer-tease with the S/J ship.

Oh well.... Decent show. Managed to stay awake for both showings…. Some thoughts:


Nicely timed jokes:

>Cam’s “One more stupid question” moment with Landry.
>Daniel’s “There’s plenty more where we came from” about their expendability.
Missing Janet all over again. :(
The hallway doublecross scene… expected it, but was nice nonetheless.
Great camera work to get all of the various versions of the team in one shot Kudos to the crews & directors and to the actors, and especially AT again – all of her shots with herself were wholly believable & seamless & well done.
Uh… ‘our’ Sam who has basically already told Agent Barrett she’s “taken” kissing Martouf? *shakes head*
Cam shirtless…. Now pantless? LOL! What’s next?:rolleyes:

TLWROX
January 20th, 2006, 09:36 PM
Am I the only one that thought it ended just a bit too abruptly? I felt it could've been tied up nicer- even in another 1/2 an hour... It was just like- "Ok, we found out how to put everyone back in their proper reality- blast!- there we go. Bye Martouf and Janet. The End" There was SO much great dialogue, little details, interesting techno-babble, and then the end just came at me out of nowhere!! Uhdunno. Maybe 'twas just me.
Though Jack wasn't mentioned, I definitely saw a "Jack look" from Sam. Towards the end while she was explaining to Landry what they were doing to the wormhole, and he just stopped her with an "I got it, I got it. They're going back." line, she just shut up and wrinkled her eyebrows and I SWEAR it was a total Jack look. Uhdunno. Maybe that was just me too... :comeon:
Anyway, besides the abrupt ending, I thought this was the best ep. this season. So I was ok with the almost Sam/Martouf kiss. All right- I totally just lied. I was screaming and my roomate got worried. I know Sam must feel guilty about his death and all, but she was so going into that kiss with more than guilt on her mind. And though they didn't actually kiss, just the look itself made my heart sink into my pelvis with the notion that it was because she's not with Jack. WHAT is TPTB's problem?! Do they hate us?!! SHEESH! I know I'm a shipper, but the rest of you have got to at least see how awful this is at this point! Enough with my rant.
Multiple Carter's made my night. :samanime24: :sam: :samanime20:


:love:

BigGator5
January 20th, 2006, 09:37 PM
Daniel: I miss Thor...

Great stuff!

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 09:37 PM
Okay, I get that (sorta), but why would a closer proximity of the realities in relation to each other result in a lack of ECF? I guess I assumed that "closer" meant that the effect would be worse...:S

(oh yeah, like I would know...) :rolleyes:
Like anyone knows? :P

OK, this episode was like you were wined and dined, manipulated and seduced by someone that you never see again. You should feel cheap and cheated, but you don't care because...you had fun...and you kind of knew it all along. :D

I feel so ashamed. :P

Hatusu
January 20th, 2006, 09:48 PM
I know Stargate has culled episode concepts from Star Trek for a long time, but...this is the second in a row that does so completely directly.

Last week's: Ex Post Facto from Voyager.
This week's: Paralells from Next Generation.

Window of Opportunity was a great episode, yes, and it copied Cause and Effect from Next Generation. But, come on. There's a limit. The pryors directly rip off the Jedi, for god's sake. It's a miracle they don't have lightsabers yet.

But, nonetheless, Stargate is looking up from the start of the season.
"And that's what I was talking about!" (last week) If you are going to steal ...er...pay homage, do it well and give credit. The show was funny and they gave "Star Trek" credit with Mitchell's beard joke.

Seshat
January 20th, 2006, 09:56 PM
It never occurred to me before being suggested in this ep, that if Martouf had not become a za'tarc and been killed in our universe, and after the Goa'uld had been overthrown here, he should have ever considered joining the SGC just to be near Sam. I thought that was a fascinating suggestion. Improbable with the ongoing S/J UST at the time, but it still could have been an interesting scenerio had they explored it.

ForeverSg1
January 20th, 2006, 09:59 PM
And the morale of tonight's episode...

"Ours is the only reality of consequence."
as said by Teal'c in POV and confirmed by Landry and Black SG1 in tonight's episode.

It's amazing how fast a person will change their opinions about such things, when it's their own life/reality that is on the losing end.

Overall a very good episode, probably one of the best this season.
I still have issues with a few things, but I won't allow it to ruin what I did enjoy about the episode.

But be forewarned JM and PDL, should you and I ever come face to face, I would seriously suggest you be wearing shinguards.

Kat

Daniel's_twin
January 20th, 2006, 10:01 PM
It never occurred to me before being suggested in this ep, that if Martouf had not become a za'tarc and been killed in our universe, and after the Goa'uld had been overthrown here, he should have ever considered joining the SGC just to be near Sam. I thought that was a fascinating suggestion. Improbable with the ongoing S/J UST at the time, but it still could have been an interesting scenerio had they explored it.

As Teal'c might say, Indeed. :cool:

sg1niner
January 20th, 2006, 10:03 PM
Uhm I think I must've been late walking back from a commercial because I was very confused. I'm asking for spoilers here, hopefully get it to me before it reruns...
Okay so the green SG1 escaped from the cell, carter and daniel went to the engine room, and tea'lc and mitchell went to the armory and then black daniel and black teal'c showed up. the next thing I know they're in the jail cell being told that the power was cut, and either i blanked out and didn't realize it, or the next thing I know SGC is getting a transmission from carter on her laptop telling them how to fix all the problems, and everybody goes home (somewhat) happilly ever after?
Someone fill in the gaps for me please...

Okay lets see if I can help you out here... when they (green sg1) escaped from the cell, Mitchell was really the black sg1 member but dressed in green to trick our original sg 1 aka the green team to see if they can escape from the room. In the scene by the armory Sam explained to the black sg1 mitchell that she knew it wasn't him (the real one) because if they were in his position they would of done the same too.

But originally... Sam told Teal'c and Mitchell to go to the next armory on the next level because it'll be less likely for them to be spotted. Sam said she and daniel will go to the engine room to pull the control crystal. But as we learned that they were next store breaking down the other armory.

It went a little like this.

Cameron: how'd you know I wasnt your mitchell?
Sam: easy. if we were in your position we would of done the same too.
Cameron: let me get this straight.. we figured you guys would try to escape so we set this trap for you. Not realising that you figured out that, we figured you out, and you set your own.
Teal'c: Indeed
(Im not sure if i got it word by word since the tv volume is down.. every one is sleeping here at my house)


now the tables were turned and the black team sg1 were locked up in the cell. They were told the power was cut because Mitchell was in the room when Sam was doing it, so he probably learned how to do it.

hope that helps

Miz_Gatez
January 20th, 2006, 10:18 PM
What was the big bang at the start?
Landry is not really paying attention… they were in different uniforms, what did they change on the planet?
Did Walter say it’s Sg-1 and this time it’s from their original location? No I must have heard that wrong. Ahhh… Walter must have said original schedule time.

Carter – multiverse, cool.
How could Daniel be not accepting the parallel universe idea… that makes no sense…. He should not be rolling his eyes and being skeptical. He should be all over it as a good idea since he had to convince everyone else of it last time.

So the shippers get what they want… blahh
Daniel interviewing Teal’c that felt right.
Mitchell interviewing Daniel notsomuch but maybe it was suspicious Daniel
Carter interviewing herself that is classic (literally since it was done before but it still works)

Mitchell: Bizzaro SG-1… funny
Haha uber sg-1
Is the assumed real SG-1 really the real SG-1?
Landry: Grand central station of the multiverse --- funny
Hey much remembering of old eps… crazy Dr Lee. Nice
What about cascade failure thingy.—Plot hole?

Hey the armbands from upgrades. coool
You know Landry, a warning would really have been appropriate for the whole Janet thing.
Hey geeky Carter….wow lots of Carters.
Martoufs dream come true I would guess.

Hey Janet good news, we have a cure!!
Daniel or Teal’c….that’s my guess who, from Martouf.. that would be funny.

New asgard!!!!
O give me a break, Sheppard already went there and did it a lot better… stupid.
Ok, now shippers don’t get what they what but still …. Blahh… but the Asgard …. That was funny. :)
Top minds of 18 different universes, that was nice thing to say.
Its nice to have a very positive asgard… yes Daniel so do we all (miss Thor that is)

Gee the black clad SG-1 is acting evil, is that like foreshadowing? Or are all of the other SG-1s in on it to save their worlds? They did choose Zats and not p90s
Are these Ori SG-1? Wraith universe SG-1?

Maybe it should not be so easy to open the brig door… just a thought. I guess now we know how Vala got away. Wouldn’t the other Carter know this…..uh guess so. Yeah!!! Good SG-1 is smart too!!! Our Teal’c is nicer though… why the pants?

Is that Siler?!?!?! Yeah!!!... Walter and an Asgard… Yeah!!!!
Why is Daniel acting like that… how can people say his character has not changed. He used to care about science.

OK, don’t cut the green one that’s my advice. Dohh… more shipper stuff. …. Blahhh
And Janet is leeeaaavvvinnnngggggg noooooo.. and Martouf tooo… I am sad.:(

Good ep by our friends Joseph Mallozzi & Paul Mullie and Peter DeLuise. In fact I will watch that several times to pick out all the SG-1s and tells in the episode..

only the 2nd S9 ep I would do that with.


Great epi, though I am SO glad I wasn't the only one who found that snag with Daniel's skeptism in the beginning (geez I totally butchered that word :o ).

Also... WHAT was with the "almost kiss"?!? Oh I nearly had a FIT when I saw that. :sholva: My earlier suspicions had been correct: they ARE trying to bring back every old love interest of Sam's. Although I also had a shrewd feeling that when Sam & Mourtouf were talking about Mourtouf's reality, he was about to say "General O'Neill" in answer to her "who?" question :love: in which a case I am doubly confused. What on earth...?!?

(Also, anyone watch tonight's Atlantis epi after Ripple Effect for SG-1? 'Cos when the Atlantis epi was over, there was a commercial for next week's Atlantis epi, and am I going completely WACKO or did I see Sam kissing MCKAY?!? I'm pretty sure she was kissin' SOMEONE, but I am pretty tired...maybe I am just crazy....in which case feel free to do this: :tomato: )

(Hey, I just found that tomato smilie - koodos :cool: )

:tealcanime49: So I guess I am going to watch the rest of S9 after all, and Atlantis too, because I am NOT letting this Sam's Love Life mystery slide. Say hello to Sherlock Holmes :P

Miz_Gatez
January 20th, 2006, 10:26 PM
PS:

Don't tell me no one saw that look on Martouf's face when he was first brought to the Room of A Hundred Carters. I swear, the minute I saw that scene my first thought was, "And now he HAS died and gone to heaven!" The dude was practically licking his lips.. :jack_new_anime04:

alaskannut
January 20th, 2006, 11:25 PM
Holy mother of god...a whole room full of Carters:eek:

I can just see poor O'Neill's head exploding at the prospect of trying to keep up with all of their technobabble:D

^ I saw it:D Lucky bugger ;)

majorsal
January 20th, 2006, 11:27 PM
an an s/j shipper i enjoyed the 'possibilities' that one sam being married and another being involved and another being on maternity leave COULD be about sam/jack. :)

as an s/j shipper i did NOT enjoy OUR sam almost kissing martouf. the only reason it didn't happen either is because that asgard dude interrupted them. NOT a happy s/j camper. :(

the only part of the ep i really enjoyed was when our mitchell was running from the bad one and teal'c knocked him out doing his football player move. i thought ben did a great job of trying to recover from such a hit. he was not only trying to get up off the floor, but talk at the same time. he was slurring his words. well done on that by ben.

but other than that, i'm too bummed to enjoy other aspects. maybe tomorrow i can enjoy them.




sally :mckay:

Kliggins
January 20th, 2006, 11:31 PM
I loved the beginning, got bored in the middle and went back to work, liked the very end.

Great to see Janet and Martouf again. :)

Easily my favorite episode of this season though.

Battousai the Manslayer
January 21st, 2006, 12:48 AM
After reading everyone's responses, ...ok, not everyone's...I feel like I'm alone on this. I pretty much totally HATED this episode. It was a disastor from start to finish. Easily the first episode of season 9 I would say I didn't like let alone hate. Summary...if I even hear a hint of the words "alternate reality" I'm going to turn off the TV.

I don't know if that was supposed to be an Asgaard or not because I don't remember the Asgaard being a comedy troop that talks down to people or makes stupid noises and jokes. Call me silly but I remember when talking to the Asgaard was talking to a superior race, socially and technologically. At least I saw Underworld:Evolution tonight or else this would've driven me to despair.

Martouf's teeth were going to give me skin cancer from the light shining off those chompers. Drink some coffee man!! Tone down those teeth!!

Seastallion
January 21st, 2006, 03:04 AM
Great Episode...! :D

It was really nice to get to see Janet, and Martouf again.

I'm not a shipper, so the whole Sam and Martouf (almost) kiss didn't bother me at all. After all, just because he died didn't mean she stopped loving him. Just because she 'may or may not' be with Jack doesn't mean she can't let him know he's been really missed. In any case, I'm thinking our Jack and Sam have put their own relationship on hold or something. I don't think they ended it... just sort of purposefully put in in limbo.

...so ...was the moral of this story that it is possible to have too much of a good thing??? :p

AGateFan
January 21st, 2006, 03:40 AM
I know Stargate has culled episode concepts from Star Trek for a long time, but...this is the second in a row that does so completely directly.

Last week's: Ex Post Facto from Voyager.
This week's: Paralells from Next Generation.

Window of Opportunity was a great episode, yes, and it copied Cause and Effect from Next Generation. But, come on. There's a limit. The pryors directly rip off the Jedi, for god's sake. It's a miracle they don't have lightsabers yet.

But, nonetheless, Stargate is looking up from the start of the season. Mitchell is getting much more interesting and less lifeless, and there are actually episodes that DON'T focus on the one dimensional Ori.

Edit: Oh yes, and one question. Umm...how did Landry know that Baal had adult clones of himself? I thought we only learned that at the end of that episode -- the SGC thinks Baal is dead.

They didnt know he had multiple Baals IN ONE ROOM (wish I didnt know that piece of cheese either). But they knew that he had multiple Baals. They told Teal'c that Baal was still alive and he just smiled. They asked if he was going to go back and tell the Jaffa counsel... I dont remember his exact answer but basically no he wasnt he was going to "hold" that information and "play" it later to make Garek look bad.... like a good card player. Too bad 4h2 kinda ruins that, butwhatcanyoudo.

Anyway. This Ripple Effect. Great episode, this reminded me of the old SG-1. No one had to look particularly stupid to make anyone else look better. Although Daniel is still a bit off to me and Teal'c still didnt have a lot to do.. But I did like how he got to put a slap down on Mitchell and then later when Green Team captures him the first thing Black Mitchell says is "no hitting" to teal'c.

I like the Asgard... when I mean like I mean it was nice to see a different personality and that they can be annoying too because he was, a bit. The Walter and the asgard... that was great. The asgard interrupting Sam\Martouf was great. The asgard speach was great. Daniels statement was spot on an awesome.

I say the only thing in this ep that made me shake my head and go why:( is the Mitchell. Why do the asgard have no pants thing. They sooo could have given him something better. It was just so lacking if you watch atlantis because Sheppard did that line a lot better. Now if you have not watch atlantis that would be funny but still I think they could have given Mitchell something better and again its another rip-off.. though it is a twist since Atlantis rips off from SG-1 way more then the other way around and they both rip off other shows. But anyway that was the only cring-dislike I had in the show (well besides Daniels new and apparent impatience with science) an this was easly overlooked because of the goodness that the rest of the show brought.

Please TPTB give us more episodes like this one. Where everyone on the team had something to contribute.

P.S. soo whish they had not cut the black Daneil, black Mitchell scene... that is the Daniel I am missing. And also PDL... SHAME ON YOU trying to pull a scam on us... shame, shame, shame..... Good job slapping him down Joe!!!

BigGator5
January 21st, 2006, 03:57 AM
Ok, am I the only one who notice the "orange space suit" SG-1? "OSS" Cam turning his head and smiling.

Send-up of Farscape?

AGateFan
January 21st, 2006, 04:06 AM
Speaking of Farscape and to homage’s….

Its good to see that Black Mitchell and Green Mitchell got along a lot better then Black Crichton and Green Crichton…. Well until Black Mitchell started shooting that is :p

MoebiusStrip
January 21st, 2006, 05:11 AM
This was the best episode for season 9 thus far...and probably will remain at that.

For the whole SG-1 different clothes 'plot hole' I can pretty much end that with a quote from the movie, 'The Shawshank Redemption,' where Red was explaining the jail break and how the guards did not notice Andy's different pair of shoes:

'Red: Seriously...how often do you look at a guys shoes?'

Pretty much that translates into that the SGC has A LOT other issues to tend to besides if SG-1 is wearing white after Labor Day...I don't think Lan or anyone else noticed that they were in different outfits. I mean when you work at a place for a while, no one notices the littlest things...so you can really forgive that 'plot hole'...I thought that was a little too hardcore nit-picky.

The Sams in the same room made me laugh...and Martouf was grinning ear to ear when he saw that.

This was one of those moments where I wish they kept a good chuck of the deleted scenes and made the show go 90 minutes.

Otherwise, great episode...a great sign that SG-1 still has a lot there even after 9 years.

AGateFan
January 21st, 2006, 05:12 AM
How did the Black Alternate reality know that the Green alternate reality had a ZPM at Atlantis? Did they have some way of looking at the different AUs and determining this one had the "spare" ZPM sitting at Atlantis? I mean if they had a ZPM in Atlantis in their own Universe why not just take that one?
And if they dont have a ZPM in Atlantis in their Universe why assume this universe does?

Just wondering.

dmovies
January 21st, 2006, 05:13 AM
What was the big bang at the start?
Landry is not really paying attention… they were in different uniforms, what did they change on the planet?
Did Walter say it’s Sg-1 and this time it’s from their original location? No I must have heard that wrong. Ahhh… Walter must have said original schedule time.

Carter – multiverse, cool.
How could Daniel be not accepting the parallel universe idea… that makes no sense…. He should not be rolling his eyes and being skeptical. He should be all over it as a good idea since he had to convince everyone else of it last time.

So the shippers get what they want… blahh
Daniel interviewing Teal’c that felt right.
Mitchell interviewing Daniel notsomuch but maybe it was suspicious Daniel
Carter interviewing herself that is classic (literally since it was done before but it still works)

Mitchell: Bizzaro SG-1… funny
Haha uber sg-1
Is the assumed real SG-1 really the real SG-1?
Landry: Grand central station of the multiverse --- funny
Hey much remembering of old eps… crazy Dr Lee. Nice
What about cascade failure thingy.—Plot hole?

Hey the armbands from upgrades. coool
You know Landry, a warning would really have been appropriate for the whole Janet thing.
Hey geeky Carter….wow lots of Carters.
Martoufs dream come true I would guess.

Hey Janet good news, we have a cure!!
Daniel or Teal’c….that’s my guess who, from Martouf.. that would be funny.

New asgard!!!!
O give me a break, Sheppard already went there and did it a lot better… stupid.
Ok, now shippers don’t get what they what but still …. Blahh… but the Asgard …. That was funny. :)
Top minds of 18 different universes, that was nice thing to say.
Its nice to have a very positive asgard… yes Daniel so do we all (miss Thor that is)

Gee the black clad SG-1 is acting evil, is that like foreshadowing? Or are all of the other SG-1s in on it to save their worlds? They did choose Zats and not p90s
Are these Ori SG-1? Wraith universe SG-1?

Maybe it should not be so easy to open the brig door… just a thought. I guess now we know how Vala got away. Wouldn’t the other Carter know this…..uh guess so. Yeah!!! Good SG-1 is smart too!!! Our Teal’c is nicer though… why the pants?

Is that Siler?!?!?! Yeah!!!... Walter and an Asgard… Yeah!!!!
Why is Daniel acting like that… how can people say his character has not changed. He used to care about science.

OK, don’t cut the green one that’s my advice. Dohh… more shipper stuff. …. Blahhh
And Janet is leeeaaavvvinnnngggggg noooooo.. and Martouf tooo… I am sad.:(

Good ep by our friends Joseph Mallozzi & Paul Mullie and Peter DeLuise. In fact I will watch that several times to pick out all the SG-1s and tells in the episode..

only the 2nd S9 ep I would do that with.
I enjoyed this episode too and will rewatch. The only thing missing was Jack and I'm just gonna think he was involved with Sam's past in the 'other' universes!

MoebiusStrip
January 21st, 2006, 05:23 AM
How did the Black Alternate reality know that the Green alternate reality had a ZPM at Atlantis? Did they have some way of looking at the different AUs and determining this one had the "spare" ZPM sitting at Atlantis? I mean if they had a ZPM in Atlantis in their own Universe why not just take that one?
And if they dont have a ZPM in Atlantis in their Universe why assume this universe does?

Just wondering.

Well they must have figured that seeing this universe was okay they assumed that they survived the events of Beachhead and the Plauge and the Wraith Siege.

Actually they said that they did have a ZPM, but it was depleted...my guess is that the events from Moebius in their univerese effected that ZPM.

JLB
January 21st, 2006, 05:51 AM
I figured out the bit about the proximity of the universes. The people coming from them are similar enough to fool the universe into believing they're native to it.

And hey, it occurs to me no one's mentioned how happy Sam must be to finally meet versions of herself who joined the military.

prion
January 21st, 2006, 06:00 AM
as an s/j shipper i did NOT enjoy OUR sam almost kissing martouf. the only reason it didn't happen either is because that asgard dude interrupted them. NOT a happy s/j camper. :(



Yeah, but if Martouf hadn't been shot into swiss cheese, who knows where that relationship could have gone? Stupid Asgard. But since ALL the stuff about ALL the Sams was simply AU stuff, it isn't happening, so Sam and Hammond don't have a bunch of kids, and neither do McKay and Sam, and Jack's still off in homeworld whatever fishing by himself ;)

nell
January 21st, 2006, 06:11 AM
*grins* And the more of the masses you irritate, the more ratings you're supposed to get, eh? ;) And don't forget... besides the longest running scifi show title, they can also claim the longest running viewer-tease with the S/J ship.

Oh well.... Decent show. Managed to stay awake for both showings…. Some thoughts:


Nicely timed jokes:

>Cam’s “One more stupid question” moment with Landry.
>Daniel’s “There’s plenty more where we came from” about their expendability.
Missing Janet all over again. :(
The hallway doublecross scene… expected it, but was nice nonetheless.
Great camera work to get all of the various versions of the team in one shot Kudos to the crews & directors and to the actors, and especially AT again – all of her shots with herself were wholly believable & seamless & well done.
Uh… ‘our’ Sam who has basically already told Agent Barrett she’s “taken” kissing Martouf? *shakes head*
Cam shirtless…. Now pantless? LOL! What’s next?:rolleyes:


Ditto for me!!

Jace021903
January 21st, 2006, 06:29 AM
I enjoyed this episode a lot. Plot holes and all.

However, after reading the deleted scenes, I am bummed that some of those didn't make the final cut. :( Especially the one with Black Daniel showing some hesitation about what they are doing. And I'm glad there is a universe out there where Daniel still has Sha're.

Anyway, many laugh out loud moments in this one.

Loved seeing Janet and Martouf again.

All the Carters in one room was very funny.

I was entertained start to finish and that what counts for me. :)

nccjones
January 21st, 2006, 06:33 AM
Mitchell must actually be pretty popular. I haven't seen any complaints of how much he was featured. I guess there's no Jonas Quinn syndrome with him.
Is there a rule against mentioning Jack? What's the guy who played his clone doing?

Nah....he's not as popular as you think. I just think that people are resigned that he's a permanent part of SG1 and he's not going anywhere. If you read my comments about last weeks episode, you would have seen that I was ready to give up on SG1. The first 8 seasons were good enough for me. The only thing keeping me going is the return of Vala. I do like her character while maintaining my love for Sam.

Mitchell was alright in this episode because it wasn't about him...it was about the team and that's what made the difference to me :)

shester
January 21st, 2006, 06:42 AM
I think Mitchell is doing quite fine as far as I am concerned. People are still getting use to him. Avid Jack fans may never like him. Doesn't mean other people don't like him. I like Jack. I watched Stargate from the begining because I am an RDA fan. But I continue to watch because I am a Ben Browder fan. He blows me away with his acting.
Sybil

Erin
January 21st, 2006, 06:42 AM
I wasn't bothered too much about the almost Sam/Martouf kiss... because it was played almost humorous! They pull away, tilt down and there's the Asgard... I was laughign out loud! So it didn't bother me at all, even though I'm a huge Sam/Jack shipper!!

JLB
January 21st, 2006, 06:46 AM
Nah....he's not as popular as you thing. I just think that people are resigned that he's a permanent part of SG1 and he's not going anywhere. If you read my comments about last weeks episode, you would have seen that I was ready to give up on SG1. The first 8 seasons were good enough for me. The only thing keeping me going is the return of Vala. I do like her character while maintaining my love for Sam.

Mitchell was alright in this episode because it wasn't about him...it was about the team and that's what made the difference to me :)

He could be less omnipresent though. It seems like he's in every scene.

Sprinkles
January 21st, 2006, 06:50 AM
I enjoyed this episode a lot. Plot holes and all.

However, after reading the deleted scenes, I am bummed that some of those didn't make the final cut. :( Especially the one with Black Daniel showing some hesitation about what they are doing. And I'm glad there is a universe out there where Daniel still has Sha're.

I don't get to see this episode until Tuesday and after reading the comments here I'm really looking forward to it but also after reading the the deleted scenes I'm really dissapointed these two didn't make it, they are actually the kind of scenes I was looking forward to in this ep, it's kind of disheartening they left them out :weiranime33: :danielanime08:
On the bright side:
Martouf! :weiranime17:
Daniel and Janet :jack_new_anime18:
Multiple Sams :samanime20:
Multiple SG1's! :zelenka25:
Teal'c and Janet! :jack_new_anime07:
Mitchell in underwaer Yay!

MediaSavant
January 21st, 2006, 06:53 AM
For most episodes I come in here and point out things that were either "blah" or I didn't like because I'm a tough critic. (I guess)

It's only fair that when I really like an episode, I should say so.

I really liked this one. I give it the hightest rating of the season. Good pacing. Good moments. Interesting situation.

Very nice.

nccjones
January 21st, 2006, 06:53 AM
Oh...another plot hole I noticed....what happened to that physical problem they would have when two of the same characters are in the same reality? I can't remember what they called it, but the episode where the alt Sam came she started to have wierd problems and it was said that they can't stay in the same reality. Didn't happen on this episode. Though I still love it :)

AGateFan
January 21st, 2006, 06:57 AM
Oh...another plot hole I noticed....what happened to that physical problem they would have when two of the same characters are in the same reality? I can't remember what they called it, but the episode where the alt Sam came she started to have wierd problems and it was said that they can't stay in the same reality. Didn't happen on this episode. Though I still love it :)
There were a couple of plot holes but they seemed insignificant. As for the one you bring up it actually was covered in the ep (though I missed it on first showing).. Someone quoted the line above (further up in the thread) where Dr Lee speculates why it is not a problem.

So since it was mentioned and they tried to come up with a 'reason' i have removed it from my plot hole list. There is still the clothes thing (which joe tried to explain in his deleted scenes thing but was not explained in show) and the whole "how did that AU know we had a Full ZPM in Atlantis" thing?

macktheknife
January 21st, 2006, 07:14 AM
Cool ep.

Some thoughts:

Would have liked a "rundown" of who turned up, and just list each "person" and how many times they came through eg:

Cam - 1025523 times (joke, but jeez, every single group?)
Carter - 13
Daniel - 10
Tealc- 9
Oneil - 2 (although they'd have to show him then)
Jonas - 1
Walter - (that would have been cool, have him leading rambo SG1 instead of cam again), and a Green Walter\Other Colour Walter WOULD have been hilarious.
etc

And maybe some more varied "SG-1s" coming through maybe a "Wraith Hunter" SG1, with Ronan, Jonas, Kowalski, Carter and Tealc (who said they have to have 4 people in each squad), or a "gene pool" Sg-1 "Shep, Cam, Daniel and maybe Vala (she'd love that one) or a "girl power" SG1 "Carter, Janet, Vala, Sora" or any ole crazy grouping.

In any case, a cool ep.

I understood what "black sg1" wanted to do, but bearly understood one word of the "resolution" of how they fixed the big problem.

AND JANET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JANET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bring her back!

Daniel's_twin
January 21st, 2006, 07:15 AM
Oh...another plot hole I noticed....what happened to that physical problem they would have when two of the same characters are in the same reality? I can't remember what they called it, but the episode where the alt Sam came she started to have wierd problems and it was said that they can't stay in the same reality. Didn't happen on this episode. Though I still love it :)

Entropic cascade failure on the cellular level. Dr. Lee did speculate on why nothing happened, but my Dad was talking through the first showing (:daniel23:) and I wasn't expecting it during the second one so I missed it again. :cool:

Ziu
January 21st, 2006, 07:16 AM
It was one of the better shows. Wish they would not have deleted scenes and made it a 90 minute show or added more episodes and made it a two-parter.:cool:

shockwave
January 21st, 2006, 07:18 AM
good ep

looks like on the carters is like the geeky one from Moebius
some ship scenes too, thought the rest of season 9 was supposed to be ship free?

Everyone SG1 arrived wearing different colors, what a coincidence :p

Strange they let SG1 go on their own with the Prometheus, without the rest of the crew and the military

nice to see janet and martouf again, no Lantash?

Kvasir had some funny stuff too, especially in the carter/martouf scene, and also when he was standing next to Walter

nccjones
January 21st, 2006, 07:37 AM
There were a couple of plot holes but they seemed insignificant. As for the one you bring up it actually was covered in the ep (though I missed it on first showing).. Someone quoted the line above (further up in the thread) where Dr Lee speculates why it is not a problem.

So since it was mentioned and they tried to come up with a 'reason' i have removed it from my plot hole list. There is still the clothes thing (which joe tried to explain in his deleted scenes thing but was not explained in show) and the whole "how did that AU know we had a Full ZPM in Atlantis" thing?

Oh..ok :) I haven't watched it for a second time yet and the first time there was alot to take in. When Dr. Lee and Sam start talking technobabble, I sometimes get lost even though I love it...lol.

nccjones
January 21st, 2006, 07:39 AM
Walter - (that would have been cool, have him leading rambo SG1 instead of cam again), and a Green Walter\Other Colour Walter WOULD have been hilarious.


OMG! That would have been hillarious! Even though the show is creative, they need to be a little more creative every now and then :)

SnoggingPicard
January 21st, 2006, 07:45 AM
I'm not as enthusiastic a S/J shipper as I once was -- been through the wringer and it's sucked the life outta me -- but I'm still kind of surprised at the disappointment that the episode has gotten from this shipping standpoint. I got so excited at the references to the AU Sam situations, because in my mind the only one it could have been was Jack. Those "maybe moments" were good enough for me after such a long drought, and the Martouf thing? She didn't kiss him, and I think that says it all. Heck, this is a guy that she had feelings for in the past, was killed right in front of her, and she hasn't seen for five years. If she gets kind of caught up in the moment for a second, I think that's kind of natural. But she didn't do anything, and she stopped before it went too far. That says more to me than the fact that she almost kissed him. Maybe she even stopped because she has feelings for someone else ::cough:: Jack ::cough:: and knew that whatever was happening between her and Martouf wouldn't be the same. So S/J shippers -- please don't be sad. Take this from someone who wasn't expecting any references to the ship and was pleasantly surprised at what we got last night. It wasn't as bad as you think it was. Promise.

nccjones
January 21st, 2006, 07:47 AM
I'm not as enthusiastic a S/J shipper as I once was -- been through the wringer and it's sucked the life outta me -- but I'm still kind of surprised at the disappointment that the episode has gotten from this shipping standpoint. I got so excited at the references to the AU Sam situations, because in my mind the only one it could have been was Jack. Those "maybe moments" were good enough for me after such a long drought, and the Martouf thing? She didn't kiss him, and I think that says it all. Heck, this is a guy that she had feelings for in the past, was killed right in front of her, and she hasn't seen for five years. If she gets kind of caught up in the moment for a second, I think that's kind of natural. But she didn't do anything, and she stopped before it went too far. That says more to me than the fact that she almost kissed him. Maybe she even stopped because she has feelings for someone else ::cough:: Jack ::cough:: and knew that whatever was happening between her and Martouf wouldn't be the same. So S/J shippers -- please don't be sad. Take this from someone who wasn't expecting any references to the ship and was pleasantly surprised at what we got last night. It wasn't as bad as you think it was. Promise.

She stopped because the Asguard was standing between them. I agree though, I thought it was natural that old feelings would come up again. There is nothing wrong with that. Just because someone is in a relationship does not mean they forget old loves who died.

Hatusu
January 21st, 2006, 07:54 AM
She stopped because the Asguard was standing between them. I agree though, I thought it was natural that old feelings would come up again. There is nothing wrong with that. Just because someone is in a relationship does not mean they forget old loves who died.
It was totally understandable. I'm not a shipper, but I wanted to kiss Martouf too, I was so glad to see him.

jckfan55
January 21st, 2006, 08:08 AM
Good show. I wish there had been more between Janet and Sam but at least we got the goodbye scene. For while I thought they were going to rip us off. I'd have preferred Sam scenes with Janet than with Martouf, but oh well. Seeing the deleted scenes posted on the GW main page, it looks like reference to Cassie wound up on the cutting room floor. :( At least they recognized that Janet might ask about her. It was good to see the team working together.

BigGator5
January 21st, 2006, 08:20 AM
How did the Black Alternate reality know that the Green alternate reality had a ZPM at Atlantis? Did they have some way of looking at the different AUs and determining this one had the "spare" ZPM sitting at Atlantis? I mean if they had a ZPM in Atlantis in their own Universe why not just take that one?

And if they dont have a ZPM in Atlantis in their Universe why assume this universe does?

Just wondering.

I'm guessing they didn't. When a SG team goes through the Gate, they don't know what they are going to find.

They knew how to get back. So if our universe didn't have a ZPM, they could have 'help' solve the problem and try again.

Hatusu
January 21st, 2006, 08:21 AM
From what I read, it would have been nice to include all those cut scenes. They explained some things and added some more interaction and a couple of good jokes.

Frak, I'm surprised that they didn't have Apollo or Starbuck come in on one of those teams. :P I'm sure they entertained the idea. :)

KillerMercury
January 21st, 2006, 08:22 AM
I still can't believe that no one's still mentioned this (as far as I can tell):

but Cam is a boxer briefs guy! :cameron:



I'm kinda ticked at myself, cuz I just realized I accidentally erased Ripple Effect from my DVR. Now I gotta torrent it...:(

BigGator5
January 21st, 2006, 08:24 AM
I still can't believe that no one's still mentioned this (as far as I can tell):

but Cam is a boxer briefs guy! :cameron:

I did in the Sam/Cam ship thread. I am also a boxer briefs guy! :cameron:

aaobuttons
January 21st, 2006, 08:27 AM
Ok, am I the only one who notice the "orange space suit" SG-1? "OSS" Cam turning his head and smiling.

Send-up of Farscape?


I don't know about that, but in that same scene I did notice a Cam group that was him and 3 other unknowns. Sort of a Team where Cam DIDN'T get the Band back together!


And does anyone know if that whole "green wire" thing was a Farscape reference or if it's foreshadowing to a future episode? If it's a future episode, I wonder if green is actually the right one to cut? Maybe black Cam was giving green Cam a big F-You for foiling their plan, or was he actually trying to be helpful?



BTW: Loved the episode, I have no problem with any of the shippyness hinted or otherwise, it just made it fun. I SO thought black Cam was going go to be WITH black Sam when she said she was off to bed. I think it would have been funny to have them be an item in a alt universe. (just to clarify, not in this verse, but an alt verse. I like them as friends here in this verse, just like I like Sam/Daniel as friends here but I thought it was so cute to have the geeky ship in Mobius)

AGateFan
January 21st, 2006, 08:28 AM
I'm guessing they didn't. When a SG team goes through the Gate, they don't know what they are going to find.

They knew how to get back. So if our universe didn't have a ZPM, they could have 'help' solve the problem and try again.
So how they find out once they got here. We just let them have access to the base computer? Maybe have a chat about our top secret base in Atlantis?

Or I guess the other Carter could have hacked into the base computer... yeah that would work. They didnt know and were randomly trying realities and Carter would hack into the computer and see if there was a ZPM.

Of course if their AU didnt have a ZPM why would they assume another AU would? And thus why go to all the trouble if you dont know it will work. Also, there was no time dialation here so every trip through would have been very time consuming as every Landry would have had them arrested and interviewed and then theirs always the possiblilty they walk into an AU where an evil Landry just has them shot. Oh my what possibilities abound. I guess its like a Time travel story, you just got to let some things go since its just TV. :)

Hatusu
January 21st, 2006, 08:30 AM
I still can't believe that no one's still mentioned this (as far as I can tell):

but Cam is a boxer briefs guy! :cameron:


Well, I did notice. :D

Dana_Jeanne
January 21st, 2006, 08:31 AM
After reading everyone's responses, ...ok, not everyone's...I feel like I'm alone on this. I pretty much totally HATED this episode. It was a disastor from start to finish. Easily the first episode of season 9 I would say I didn't like let alone hate. Summary...if I even hear a hint of the words "alternate reality" I'm going to turn off the TV.

I don't know if that was supposed to be an Asgaard or not because I don't remember the Asgaard being a comedy troop that talks down to people or makes stupid noises and jokes. Call me silly but I remember when talking to the Asgaard was talking to a superior race, socially and technologically.
No, you're not alone. I only voted 'fair' for this one. I agree about the Asgard.

I did like the beginning, and the scenes with janet, Daniel and Teal'c. Good to see Martouf.

The repeated remarks about Carter's love life were ridiculous. Once would have been enough. Some of the technobabble could have been cut, 99% of the viewers don't have a clue what they were saying in the first place.

What was with all the weird faces from Daniel, Mitchell, Landry when Carter was doing all her technobabbling? And why did Daniel sound so unbelieving that the Black Team could have been from an AU? He of all of them should believe that ANYTHING is possible.

I still find it hard to believe that not only can just anybody fly that butt-ugly Prometheus or whichever ship it iwas but that it only takes one person.

Who did the editing? The scene with Black Mitchell and Black Daniel should have stayed. Cassie should have stayed.

I'd pay a lot of money to see the deleted scenes from the past years.

A fair episode with some good points and bad. One I'd watch again if I was sitting in the living room channel surfing, or a friend wanted to see it, but not one I'd search out and watch again deliberately.

Edited to add: And why doesn't someone do something about Carter's weed-wacker hair?

Dana Jeanne

Hatusu
January 21st, 2006, 08:34 AM
And does anyone know if that whole "green wire" thing was a Farscape reference or if it's foreshadowing to a future episode? If it's a future episode, I wonder if green is actually the right one to cut? Maybe black Cam was giving green Cam a big F-You for foiling their plan, or was he actually trying to be helpful?

I don't remember it from "Farscape". I felt that it was a foreshadowing. Now whether to take his advice or not......

AGateFan
January 21st, 2006, 08:35 AM
I don't remember it from "Farscape". I felt that it was a foreshadowing. Now whether to take his advice or not......
I think that JM indicates this is forshadowing for Ethon.

jckfan55
January 21st, 2006, 08:45 AM
What was with all the weird faces from Daniel, Mitchell, Landry when Carter was doing all her technobabbling? And why did Daniel sound so unbelieving that the Black Team could have been from an AU? He of all of them should believe that ANYTHING is possible..

I can see Mitchell and even Landry being a bit lost when Sam is doing her techno thing, particularly in the last gate scene when she's explaining what they're going to do. But I agree--since when does Daniel make faces behind her back on this stuff? Though I interpreted that look as a "don't worry about it, just let her explain, it's what she does" kind of look. And he's quantum mirror guy, so AU should not be new to him.

jckfan55
January 21st, 2006, 08:46 AM
I don't remember it from "Farscape". I felt that it was a foreshadowing. Now whether to take his advice or not......
yes, the expression on Cam's face was a bit hard to read.

greytop
January 21st, 2006, 08:46 AM
Ok, am I the only one who notice the "orange space suit" SG-1? "OSS" Cam turning his head and smiling.

Send-up of Farscape?I notice that, too. How about the part that both Mitchells were in boxers and Ts?

SimilarCadence
January 21st, 2006, 08:51 AM
What a great episode.....

Especially good things:
*Janet, Janet, Janet! It was wonderful to see her again---a badly missed SG character, indeed. Touching scene where Daniel recalls her death in our universe....She had the best line of the night: "Where's General O'Neill?"....
*Martouf in all his sweetness.....he looked like a kid in a candy store when he walked into the roomful of Sams.....At least he had some time with Sam in his universe....Even better that Sam went on to be with Someone Else (my mind automatically inserts Jack's name).
*Jacob/Selmak is still alive in Black SG-1's universe....and they actually mentioned him! Miss him very much.....
*A Siler appearance!
*Odd (but cute) couple Walter and Kvasik!
*General Hammond is actually mentioned....I think the characters of Hammond and Janet were responsible for a lot of the emotional warmth of original SG-1.....miss them both.....:hammond15:
*Happy to hear that some of the alternate-Sams are busy in their respective worlds being involved with Someone Else, on honeymoon with Someone Else and pregnant by Someone Else (my Jack Filter is switched on and working perfectly).....:love:
*Just another mention: it was great to see Janet again! Shame there wasn't more interaction between Sam and Janet.....would it really have hurt?!


Edit: just read the deleted scenes. I'm grateful to Joe for giving them to us in print at least (also grateful that he straightened out PDL about Sam and Cam!!).....
*Glad that somewhere in creation there's a Daniel (Desert Camo) who is still happily married to the love-of-his-life Sha're. I could think of a few scenes in last night's ep that I would have substituted this scene for....and the same for the deleted scene where Desert camo Frasier asks about Cassie...
*Glad that Black Daniel experienced some crisis of conscience over their plans for obtaining the ZPM---that's True Daniel!

SG-bandgeek
January 21st, 2006, 09:21 AM
I thought it was good if it was Jack, Sam was married to that would ROCK!
But I read the deleted scenes they were BAD! Sorry i just don't like Sam/Cam stuff. Other than that it was one of the best ep. I have seen in a long time!:love:

Zoser
January 21st, 2006, 09:21 AM
I'm off and on watching SG-1 this season and haven't commented on an ep before but I didn't really like this. I've decided I don't like Mitchell, and I don't like Landry.

Why did every SG-1 have a Mitchell on it? WHy not have one led by Sam, and then stick Jonas on it? Call up the guy who played the Lt. Tyler in the Fifth man. THey brought him back to the SGC and decided to see if they could use his skills.

Mitchell must actually be pretty popular. I haven't seen any complaints of how much he was featured. I guess there's no Jonas Quinn syndrome with him.

Is there a rule against mentioning Jack? What's the guy who played his clone doing?

Although I did like this episode I would have liked to see more variety in the teams - Jonas Quinn, mini Jack, Dixon, Sam in command,:samanime15: etc. (and, of course, Jack O'Neill but that's never gonna happen)
I guess I am one of those nit pickers - wouldn't you notice the uniform color change? Who's who - go back and look at the security tape if you can't remember.
I assumed the Sams pregnancy, honeymoon was with Jack.
Sam mentions Selmack's death without emotion - I don't expect her to be weepy but it was too cold.

And my favorite line was by the much missed Janet Frasier :
"Where's Gen. O'Neill?" Where indeed? :jack_new_anime25:

Heaven
January 21st, 2006, 09:25 AM
This was definitely one of the better episodes this season

pro:
- excellent idea for a plot.
- Carters!!!
- janet and martouf
- asgard!! yeah I know its not thor and he has a terrible name and he's not even cute but he's still cool :)

con:
- Mitchell - I hate this guy!!
- Landry - worse leader the sgc ever had
- they could have come up with something better than "they're after the ZPM"
- felt a little rushed should have been a two-parter

DEM
January 21st, 2006, 09:25 AM
Some of the technobabble could have been cut, 99% of the viewers don't have a clue what they were saying in the first place.
Nah, I would have cut one of the Martouf scenes in favour of a Sam/Jan scene. Love the Touf, but felt ripped off: That spoiler pic got my hopes up too high, I guess.


What was with all the weird faces from Daniel, Mitchell, Landry when Carter was doing all her technobabbling?
Then again, those faces are an argument in favour of cutting the techtalk. That's been going on for several episodes, but it was out-of-control in this ep. Someone explain something to me: The SGC is, in a very real way, a space exploration station. Why, at this point in its history, are we getting new people who are averse to technical information? Kinda silly, that. At the very least, if you're going to be a child about it, Just.Don't.Ask!


And why did Daniel sound so unbelieving that the Black Team could have been from an AU? He of all of them should believe that ANYTHING is possible.
Weirdness abounds.


I still find it hard to believe that not only can just anybody fly that butt-ugly Prometheus or whichever ship it iwas but that it only takes one person.
And more weirdness. OTOH, as one can be assigned to a command post in space exploration despite breaking out in hives when hearing anything about physics and the like, I suppose anything is possible.


Cassie should have stayed.
Well, as there were only about 10 seconds of Carter & Fraiser together, I suppose the Cassie mention wouldn't have had much resonance. :sam43:


And why doesn't someone do something about Carter's weed-wacker hair?
Aw, I sorta liked it in this ep. She's a physicist, afterall. ;)


Cam - 1025523 times (joke, but jeez, every single group?)
That was...odd.

Here's a question: I'm wondering why some are assuming alt.Fraiser's Carter was having a baby with O'Neill. Wasn't O'Neill the SGC commander in Fraiser's 'verse? Personally, I thought the kid was Fraiser's!

Overall, I enjoyed this ep. I would say I feel it's the best ep of the season, but that wouldn't be saying much. It was fun, but not perfect; there was an ineffable something missing. But at least Heimdall got a mention!

Go Carter!

Formerhost
January 21st, 2006, 09:31 AM
Great episode!

9/10

Zoser
January 21st, 2006, 09:34 AM
I was so hoping that there was going to be another twist in that the black SG-1 turned out to be the real SG-1 instead of going with the standard "black is bad" routine.

I adored that Janet was back and that she mentioned Jack. Was not amused as the near Sam/Martouf kiss. That was just wrong on so many levels. So much for "Not Exactly."
But when Marty kisses Sam she turns her head and he gets a cheek! Maybe she came to her senses and remembered that this is the only reality of consequence.

MasySyma
January 21st, 2006, 09:39 AM
Let me start by saying that I like Season 9, and I love AU/Time loop style episodes, particularly 2010, 1969, and Moebius Part 2; however, I think Ripple Effect just made my short list of detestible SG-1 episodes.

The episode wasted everyone's time, lacked everything, and did nothing but harass the shippers and muddle character development: (in no particular order)

1. Why was the "evil" SG-1 here? They want our ZPM. They didn't choose to arrive in Atlantis why? They clearly know of it, and Mitchell's parting shot implies that they may be a bit ahead of us, so they seemed to want to protect both planets well and just ruin ours. That would be ok if I could see the character development of the evil SG-1, but no, we get an evil Mitchell, a loyal Sam, a mute Daniel, and a slightly amusing Teal'c. These good people who have rescued millions of others agreed to let one universe go down. I just can't see SG-1 doing that without a good reason. Too bad, the episode forgot to tell the viewers what that is.

2. The multiple Carter scene was cute, but Carter's technobabble went way too far this episode. When I start to feel like Jack, it's a problem. Additionally, why didn't we see a room of Daniels and Teal'cs. Surely, Sha're survived in one universe; Gerak won; the Ori lost entirely; etc. People were not sharing trade secrets (unless they could share with Janet), Why?

3. The romantic moments of the episodes did nothing other than to bait, annoy, and show a lack of regard for the shippers (any camp). One Sam was married. To whom? Jack, Pete, some guy named Bob we've never met? The attempt at detail failed to provide depth for the episode's structure. One Sam was on maternity leave. She obviously picked a partner earlier; again, whom did she choose? Can we assume that Teal'c is the father then? Did she marry the guy who died in 2001. To make matters worse, our Sam has an insatiable desire to kiss Martouf, which is only interrupted by an extremly "helpful" Asguard. What does that mean? Does that mean that the end of Threads was a bunch of bunk? Was Sam's depression in Beachhead due to having to break up with Jack? Personally, I don't care who Sam dates anymore, but I want a straight answer. This ploy of teasing the shippers is beginning to appear as a disrespect of many fans and did little for the episode.

4. Janet and Martouf were poorly used. My home PC doesn't have sound, so I'm hoping to watch the deleted scenes on Monday. Maybe, I'll see some needed explanation because Janet was incredibly calm for a woman who just learned of her death given that she has a child. She didn't even ask about Cassie. No one thought to ask if her Cassie was sick. No one thought to check if she had a Cassie. Why make people miss Janet again? Her presence served no purpose. Martouf, apparently, existed to provide eye candy, and while the character is quite attractive, he should have been left out instead of taking up space in the episode.

5. Thanks to the 12,000 Carter's, the plot cleaned up too easily, and frankly, the episode passed slowly. The alternate SG-1's should have interacted, traded notes, and helped each other. If this isn't possible because of a secret rule of the cosmos, then, one of the Carters should have said something.

The only good moment of the episode was the green wire remark because of its "Lady and the Tiger" elements.

Overall, I probably won't watch this one during the rerun cycle. The episode was poorly structured, messy, careless handled, and boring.

IMForeman
January 21st, 2006, 09:41 AM
1. Why was the "evil" SG-1 here? They want our ZPM. They didn't choose to arrive in Atlantis why? .

Because they don't have a ZPM to power a trip to Atlantis...

AGateFan
January 21st, 2006, 09:46 AM
Because they don't have a ZPM to power a trip to Atlantis...
How did they get the power to come to our AU at all. Was this mission approved by the Asgard in their universe or did they just steal the gear they needed? Is SG-1 = NID\Trust in their AU?

golfbooy
January 21st, 2006, 09:48 AM
All right, settle in. This one is liable to take awhile.

I'm going to begin by saying that Ripple Effect was by far the best episode of the season to date. This is the closest that they've come so far to capturing the tone and humor of "old Stargate". I usually hate to use superlatives when writing, but Carter/AT was awesome in this one. There was a lot to like about the episode. If the rest of season nine can be this good (and I'm not too sure it can), then perhaps there is hope for the future. But I'm not going to bet the farm on it just yet.

Anyway, I thought that the premise for the episode was an interesting one. Personally, I didn't like the idea of having another time travel or alternate universe story so soon after Moebius, but I was pleasantly surprised by Ripple Effect. To me, it felt more like a "problem story", and it featured the Stargate, to boot. How could I possibly complain about any plot that features the oft forgotten major premise behind the series? I found the solution to defeating the bad SG1 a little trite and too easy, but am willing to forgo those rather petty complaints. Seriously though, Mallozzi could have done a little better than "We just imagined what we would do if we were in your situation! Ha, take that you evil, black-wearing SG1!"

As has been mentioned already, I love how Carter was so in charge in this one. This one was up to her to figure out. She knew it, and so did everyone else at the SGC. Why there is this co-command farce in the first place still boggles my mind. Anyway, Amanda Tapping was terrific in this one. And the scene with 16 Carters was very, very cool.

All that goodness aside, though, this episode wasn't perfect. It could have been, but it wasn't. I'm going to start by asking a question. Why, why, why, WHY was Martouf in this episode? I hate, and I mean really, irrationally, vehemently hate that Martouf was there. And it's not because of the not-kiss. That was just a little sad on the writer's part. No, I'm rather angry that Frasier seemed to have so little presenece in the story. And I can't help but feel that Martouf is the main reason for that.

I'm one of those fans who didn't terribly moan over Frasier's death simply because it was handled so well in Heroes. To this day I still think that Heroes is one of the best episodes of the series. However, seeing Frasier back last night really made me wish that she was still involved with the show. As I said above, Ripple Effect came really close to feeling like "old Stargate", and for me, that was almost entirely Frasier's doing. I haven't been a detractor of Lexa Doig or Dr. Lam, but after getting Teryl Rothery back even in this small regard, I have to say that Lam is a poor replacement for Frasier. I want Frasier back. And I wanted Frasier to have something, anything to do with Carter. How Joe and the others came to the conclusion that it would be better to include Carter in meaningless scenes with Martouf and not in a single one with Frasier completely escapes me.

And while I think most fans would agree that the near kiss with Martouf was bizzarre and out of place, that it survived the editing process in lieu of any number of the cut scenes Joe wrote up is retarded. Seriously retarded. You cut out a scene where Alternate Janet is concerned for our Cassie and where Cassie's life/career/relationship with Sam is discussed for an oddball Sam/Martouf nothing? You cut a scene where Alternate Daniel talks about Sha're and Skaara? You cut a scene between ours and Alternate Teal'c? Cripes, it's like Joe's "cliched TV writer brain" took over, saw a man and a woman in the same scene, and just couldn't help itself. All joking aside, TPTB really should have found a way to keep the Cassie scene in this episode. Again, just poor decision making on the part of TPTB and one reason why my confidence in them is at an all time low.

I also thought that TPTB finally used the Prometheus like it always should be used--as a tool to further the story. They've developed the nasty habit of using the Prommie as the setting for entire episodes rather than as a supplement to their tale. I understand that the standing sets are great for episodes on the cheap and for really easy, pre-established blocking and filming, but I'll take episodes like this one, Memento, and Unnatural Selection over Prometheus Unbound or Beachhead any day.

And the real kicker for this episode is that the team finally clicked better than it has previously. I don't know if it's quite there yet, but there's no denying that the characters were far more comfortable and far less stilted around each other in Ripple Effect. My hope, this being the first episode shot after hiatus, is that this is the way things will be from now on.

As for the characters, I feel like they were all included reasonably well in the episode. Especially noteworthy for me is that I believe this to be Mitchell's best episode to date. He's still the jokester as far as TPTB are concerned, sadly, but he certainly felt like one of the team here and not someone on the outside looking in. I whole-heartedly enjoyed the two Mitchell's talking with each other in the commissary; his crack about getting to second base, not so much. And his reaction to an Asgard was just dumb. Joe could have been a bit more original than just reusing a bad joke from Atlantis. Teal'c was a riot, and Chris Judge manages to again make or break scenes with a single phrase or look. Daniel worked in this one, too. I loved the scene with Frasier, and truly do wish that evil-Daniel would have had the chance to raise an objection to the evil plan. I'm going to stop there in order to avoid gushing over how fantastic Amanda Tapping was in this one. She, Michael Shanks, and Chris Judge continue to be the only reasons why I tune in each week. They are astoundingly good at portraying their respective characters. Lightning in a bottle, indeed. Watching the three of them interact in this episode, it was easy to remember why I got hooked in the first place, and why the show has become the hit that it has.

Again, just in case I haven't said it enough already, Ripple Effect is the best of the year so far. And for me, one of the main reasons for its success is that it uses and incorporates the history of the show so effectively. It's the same reason I enjoyed Prototype so much. SG-1 has been through nine years of crazy, amazing adventures. To completely ignore those experiences and that history when developing, pitching, and writing new stories is foolhardy. Ripple Effect was a full, richly layered story because of the show's history.

And, as a last word, let me just say that the persistent effort not to address the Carter/O'neill situation has become quite tiresome. There is no point in dragging it out any longer, other than to allow the writers to wallow in their own cowardice at actually altering the characters to any lasting effect. I'm not a "shipper" by any means, but I hate to see the characters held back simply for the sake of not changing the them too much. It's well past time that that aspect of Carter's and O'neill's characters was finalized, be it one way or the other.

All joy over Ripple Effect aside, I'm beyond excited for Stronghold. The Goa'uld are still the best enemy we've got. Atlantis proved that with Critical Mass. They could only be so lucky to have more Goa'uld on that show. Bring it on.

Zoser
January 21st, 2006, 09:48 AM
snipped



Martouf's teeth were going to give me skin cancer from the light shining off those chompers. Drink some coffee man!! Tone down those teeth!!
Same reaction to Marty's Ipana smile, But then again I never liked him - too oily for me.

SimilarCadence
January 21st, 2006, 09:50 AM
Surely, Sha're survived in one universe.....

Maybe, I'll see some needed explanation because Janet was incredibly calm for a woman who just learned of her death given that she has a child. She didn't even ask about Cassie.

In Joe's transcripts of deleted scenes (at the top of GW's homepage), both of those situations were addressed. Addressed, then sadly deleted..... Like I said in my post, I can think of a couple of scenes from Ripple Effect that I would've removed in order to show those particular deleted scenes.....

Zoser
January 21st, 2006, 09:54 AM
How did the Black Alternate reality know that the Green alternate reality had a ZPM at Atlantis? Did they have some way of looking at the different AUs and determining this one had the "spare" ZPM sitting at Atlantis? I mean if they had a ZPM in Atlantis in their own Universe why not just take that one?
And if they dont have a ZPM in Atlantis in their Universe why assume this universe does?

Just wondering.
I thought the black team was taking a lot for granted. Had they scouted out our universe and if so how?

Angelique
January 21st, 2006, 10:14 AM
Shudder. Kinsey?? Shudder.

Okay, potential candidates for marriage/fatherhood

Jack
Pete
Bra'tac
Kinsey (euee)
Agent Barrett
Joe Fallon
Martouf
The milkman
General Hammond (yes!)
Major Davis
Orlin
Siler
Daniel
Teal'c

Well, hey, any unattached male, or heck, even a woman (since pregnancy can be done other ways).

Thor. Yeah, Thor. Sneaky little guy....
*cough* Baal clone. *cough*:p

LoneStar1836
January 21st, 2006, 10:17 AM
Just watched it this morning. Great episode. :)

I was really looking forward to this one after seeing the commercials for it. Course I was excited about Collateral Damage and came away from that one disappointed so....

Felt like the old Stargate formula was back. Though it will never return completely because no one can fill RDA’s shoes when it comes to the feeling that his character added to the show and the way he played it.


LOL! Loved the Asgard what’s-his-name. It would have been nice to have seen Thor, but I liked this one’s attitude. :D

Nice to see Martouf and Janet again, even though I wanted Sam to have some more screen time with Janet. I always liked her and Martouf, but come on Janet was her best friend....not just one of many Carter/person ships that came and went.

Yay! I didn’t see the little twist that Black SG-1 purposefully caused the rift. Of course the previews (green Mitchell getting nearly zatted) ruined the part about the black team being quasi “evil”. (Yeah I know they were just doing something that our team might very well would have considered in their position so they’re not really evil.....but they were dressed in black. :P) I’ll be waiting to see what green wire Mitchell has to eventually snip or don’t snip...uh can’t remember which he said. Wonder if that plays into why Black SG-1 had to create the rift in the first place in order to obtain a ZPM. At first they threw me off in thinking they needed the ZPM because they were behind in the time line and only on Lost City’s events (It’s possible Mitchell could have taken command of the team earlier than in our time line thus negating that whole unnecessary Medal of Honor, he’s the hero so accept it bit from the battle over Antarctica. ;)) but instead they must be ahead of the present time line.

I wonder just how different our reality and Black SG-1's reality was. If there was very little deviation, then they should have had their own ZPM on Atlantis to use for whatever they were needing a ZPM for (otherwise how would they have know there was one on Atlantis to begin with. (Unless they were winging it and then someone on our end mentioned that Atlantis had a ZPM so Black SG-1 decided to then go steal it. Eh, so many possibilities I guess....). Did they create a rift to steal another ZPM to avoid using their own or had they already used theirs and were in desperate need of another? I hope they carry through with the possible foreshadowing hinted at in this episode (but with a descent story and not some over-the-top implausible scenario), but not to the extent that we need another AU episode. They have already used up their quota of one AU episode per season. Now if that whole green wire thing has to do with Prometheus begin destroyed in some upcoming episode then I guess it doesn’t leave for much mystery then in our reality regarding what Black Mitchell said. It just leaves us with the hanging questioning of why Black SG-1 felt the need to do what they did.

I do feel really sorry for AT though. Ship seems to be the only thing they got going for her character. It seems that in EVERY AU episode her relationship with some man is always brought up. And I don’t know how many times it was brought up in this one. I think I lost count.... Of course I interpreted it as the ship I dread most on the show, but I did get a chuckle out of reading how, in a deleted scene, PDL interpreted those not so subtle hints as possible Sam/Cam ship...a ship I actually wouldn’t be totally opposed to :P.....in ANOTHER universe. :D Please not this one though. :rolleyes:

Pity they couldn’t have kept more of the deleted scenes. Some of them sounded fitting...like the ones with Daniel. LOL! At the one having them come through the gate and Mitchell say “frak” or “frell”. :D

Hehe. I did have to laugh at Mitchell pantless though. Ben’s pose reminded me of the Farscape episode Scratch & Sniff (one of my fav eps). All that was missing was D’Argo. :D And the fishnet stockings of course. ;)


I just ignored the plotholes and tuned out the technobabble and went with the flow making this an enjoyable, fun episode. My favorite of the season so far. :) Wow. I haven't had that much nice stuff to say about SG-1 in a long while (not to mention the fact that I posted here before posting comments about last night's BSG). Guess I really liked the episode. Nothing profound about the ep. but nice nonetheless.

Seshat
January 21st, 2006, 10:23 AM
Pity they couldn’t have kept more of the deleted scenes. Some of them sounded fitting...like the ones with Daniel. LOL!

I just ignored the plotholes and tuned out the technobabble and went with the flow making this an enjoyable, fun episode. My favorite of the season so far. :) Wow. I haven't had that much nice stuff to say about SG-1 in a long while (not to mention the fact that I posted here before posting comments about last night's BSG). Guess I really like the episode. Nothing profound about the ep. but nice nonetheless. I wondered if anyone else thought that particular deleted scene would have been a hoot!! :D I know I sure did. ;)

I agree, don't look too closely at the plotholes and just go with it and the ep makes for a really fun time. :)

Quinn Mallory
January 21st, 2006, 10:23 AM
That was extremely entertaining. I do have one problem which may have been pointed out already by others. How does the "black uniform" SG-1 know that they would end up in a universe which has a ZPM? I guess that was just a risk that they were willing to take.

FallenAngelII
January 21st, 2006, 10:23 AM
This started out great but then fizzled out a bit. Too little attention was being paid to the alternate teams. All we got to see were brief glimpses a room of Carters.

I mean, we should've seen more of Janet and Martouf!

And the original poster is right, Landry is a moron for not noticing that the 1st Alternate SG1 was wearing completely different uniforms (WITH the SGC insignia!!!!).

AND, when the 2nd Alternate SG1 stepped through the gate, after Alternate Mitchell 2 asking what's the hold up, everyone went "Whaaaa?!". What, did they expect SG134?

BTW, the lack of cascadal whatever entrophy was explained by something along the lines of the proximity of some crappy things. So they mentioned it and that there was a reason why it wasn't happening.

I still wanted more Janet!

Also, the Alternate SG1 (the 1st one) wasn't technically evil. Just really really really really desperate. I mean, the SGC once wanted to take those Indians' thingies by force! That or they could all have simply shaven off their goatees to disguise themselves.

Though Mitchell did mention the lack of goatees and that it must mean that the alternate SG1 must not be from the Evil Twin universe. I like the room full of Daniels, BTW. Now do one with Jonas! And Mitchell! And all 3!

Nightspore
January 21st, 2006, 10:25 AM
After reading everyone's responses, ...ok, not everyone's...I feel like I'm alone on this. I pretty much totally HATED this episode. It was a disastor from start to finish. Easily the first episode of season 9 I would say I didn't like let alone hate. Summary...if I even hear a hint of the words "alternate reality" I'm going to turn off the TV.

I don't know if that was supposed to be an Asgaard or not because I don't remember the Asgaard being a comedy troop that talks down to people or makes stupid noises and jokes. Call me silly but I remember when talking to the Asgaard was talking to a superior race, socially and technologically. At least I saw Underworld:Evolution tonight or else this would've driven me to despair.

Martouf's teeth were going to give me skin cancer from the light shining off those chompers. Drink some coffee man!! Tone down those teeth!!

You're not alone. While I didn't hate this episode, I did think it was pretty bad. Ditto on the Asgard. And the scene between green Mitchell and Black Mitchell yucking it up talking about Aunt Em? or something was so bizarre, IMO. Out of place; Ben played it like he was drunk. Too much silliness about Sam's love life; just once I want to see Teal'c in a regular long sleeved t-shirt instead of his muscle shirt; Daniel mostly stood around being sarcastic and making his 'confused' face; Landry was a jerk, Lam still is as stiff as wood; I didn't understand half of what Carter was babbling on about -- I do think they could have cut that exposition quite a bit.

Gotta laugh about your remark on Martouf's teeth. Exactly. I kept wondering if they were real or crowned. Whatever, it is almost a distraction to see teeth that white.

Sharks are really really circling, IMO.

Zoser
January 21st, 2006, 10:27 AM
snipped



I do feel really sorry for AT though. Ship seems to be the only thing they got going for her character. It seems that in EVERY AU episode her relationship with some man is always brought up. And I don’t know how many times it was brought up in this one. I think I lost count....


You think in some universe she would be commander of the team or the base or head of a scientific multi-species think tank. Sam used to be multi-dimensional.

nell
January 21st, 2006, 10:36 AM
Joe,

I know you're scrolling through. Must be gratifying to receive the clear, non-vague and non-subtle opinions about this overall fine show!!! :indeed: Congrats from me, too!! I especially enjoyed multiple Sams and Sam having a big slice of the episode. :sam59: :samanime20: :samanime15: :samanime27: Funny parts throughout!! Your signature!!


BUT,:comeon:
I gotta say that I would appreciate clear and non-vague and non-subtle references to Jack as Homeworld Security Chief and confirmation of Sam and Jack Ship.

Joe, You practice "The Tollan Effect." **affectionately stated**
In Jack's words, "Do you practice being vague?" :lol:

prion
January 21st, 2006, 10:47 AM
*cough* Baal clone. *cough*:p

Oh ho, hadn't thought of *cough* Baal clone *cough*.

DEM
January 21st, 2006, 10:52 AM
You'd think in some universe she would be commander of the team or the base or head of a scientific multi-species think tank. Sam used to be multi-dimensional.

Just because it bears repeating.

Miz_Gatez
January 21st, 2006, 11:10 AM
:jack_new_anime05: Hammond? Wow. Never considered THAT possibility. :samanime24: Little too freaky for my taste (isn't he supposed to be a fatherlike-figure in her life? Dad's old friend and stuff?). Little too just-plain-WIERD for my taste, but then again my taste is pretty wierd itself, so...

But you gotta wonder what was with the Asgard. He talked a little too much and a little too fast, a little out of character for me...

But you gotta give them props for the "Room of A Hundred Carters" :D The scene with Landry asking for THEIR Colonel Carter was priceless!!!

Okay, I give it 9/10 too. This one I'll definitely willingly watch again *beams*

sg1niner
January 21st, 2006, 11:26 AM
Ok, am I the only one who notice the "orange space suit" SG-1? "OSS" Cam turning his head and smiling.

Send-up of Farscape?

nah i saw that too. Cam had a big cheesy smile on his face and waved

entil2001
January 21st, 2006, 11:26 AM
Messing around with alternate timelines and alternate universes can be tricky. Generally, on a show like this, trying to make sense of the science behind it is a relative waste of time. This is the problem with having some basic understanding of quantum theory and particle physics. All the right words are there in relatively right order, and it makes Carter sound really, really smart…but it doesn’t really make sense and it’s dense enough to be a little bit dry from scene to scene.

Of course, that’s beside the point. The idea was to bring Teryl back somehow, and this is a fun enough way to do it. But it also brings up a few unfortunate questions. For instance, if the composition of SG-1 changed enough for Martouf and Janet to be part of the team, why weren’t more high-profile characters also part of some of the teams? Like, say, Hammond, Jonas, or…perhaps Jack O’Neill?

OK, there are issues with money and availability and all that, I understand that perfectly, but that’s what the concept practically demands. I’m surprised that the writers and producers didn’t see the issue and try to speak to it. Say, a line of dialogue from someone indicating that Carter had requested that teams with Jack not be let through, since they already noted that some teams had been turned away.

Another problem I had was the final act. It made sense for the whole thing to have been deliberate, since that was the impression I got from the teaser, but I wasn’t impressed by the complexity of the feint and counter-feint. It was over far too quickly. Why spend so much effort to come up with endless dry exposition with technobabble to the hilt, only to skimp on the chance to delve into the psychology of the four main characters? It might have been better to stick with only two teams and their interactions than to shoehorn in a few unnecessary guest appearances?

Well, enough dwelling. If one ignores the level of dry exposition throughout the hour, there’s a fun premise at the heart of it. In fact, the episode shines when it comes to highlighting the differences (and similarities) from team to team. Some of those Carter and Mitchell scenes were a lot of fun. I liked seeing some old faces, even if the writers seemed to find their appearances more meaningful than they really were.

Frankly, my preference would be to stick with the new characters and new dynamic. Some elements of the old mythology make sense to carry forward into new episodes, but the majority of the episodes should stick to the current crisis.

JLB
January 21st, 2006, 11:32 AM
Sam's to young to be head of the base I think. And if she was head of some multi-species think tank and was traveling to other realities, then things would be pretty bad on that end. And as head of the op blame would fall on her if things were bad on that end. Giving her less official responsibilty keeps her relatively free of failure and allows her to remain the know everything go-to girl whenever there's a problem.

The relationship thing is probably because that's the one thing she hasn't been able to pull off in her reality.

What is the SGC currently using ZPM's for? Because I was thinking maybe the ZPM that the black uniformed SG-1 was lacking could be the one acquired in Moebius. Then Sam or Daniel could've slipped them a note, they go home, get Jack, recover the timeship on Harry's planet and go back and get the ZPM that Ra had.

Dani347
January 21st, 2006, 11:40 AM
Okay, I just got a chance to see the episode. I thought it was good. It had some flaws, but it also had some nice moments.

First, I really don't care if this is similar to episode whatsit of Star Trek. There aren't any completely original ideas, and since I don't even think I saw whatever episode this was supposed to have ripped off, I don't care. Second, I could give a flying hoot who any of the AU Sam's were with. First, they're AU's, so who cares. Second, I've had enough Sam ship crap to last me a lifetime. 10 lifetimes. However, saying that, if I had to pick the least objectionable person for me, I'll just say she and Barrett are happy in all the AU's. And, leave it at that.

Okay, now on to the things I didn't like, first. I agree it was wrong for Daniel to be skeptical about AU's. I mean, he went through the Quantum Mirror first! I have to repeat my dislike of the shippy stuff with Sam. I agree with whoever asked why they can't give her something else. It's like since they've cut back on the ship in this reality, they had to overcompensate. Yawn, and gag. I also didn't like the scene where the two Mitchell's were laughing and talking. Mostly because I couldn't understand a thing they said! Which may be odd, since I can usually make out what Daniel says.

Now, not so much dislike, but missed - I missed not really seeing the bad Daniel being bad. I mean, we got to see Teal'c enjoy slamming Mitchell against the wall, and Sam and Mitchell plotting in the elevator, but Daniel just seemed to be going along. I would have liked to see some individual sneakiness or something with him. I also could have done without the "got to second base" quip from Mitchell.

Okay, on to the likes. I loved the interrogation scenes with both Mitchell and Daniel and Daniel and Teal'c. First, on the Mitchell and Daniel front, I thought it was a nice showing of the chemistry the actors have, but unlike 4th Horseman, I really felt like I was watching Mitchell and Daniel (well, a Daniel) and nothing felt like they were just doing it to show the chemistry at the expense of character or logic. Plus, it's nice to know that coffee is a staple for any Daniel. And, I thought our Daniel was very Daniel like eager to get info that didn't just relate to the situation at hand. His reaction to hearing that Brat'ac was the Jaffa leader (and one AU gets something right!) was full of curiosity. I think if they didn't have the problem on hand, he would have just sat there, asking questions, eager to hear how that universe was working out. Very nice scene.

Janet! Janet! Janet! I loved Daniel's reaction to seeing her. Call me a hypocrite, but I'm a Daniel/Janet shipper. However, one thing I like about it, is that you're not hit over the head. Alternative views feel just as valid. For instance, I can choose to see something shippy in that scene, or I can just as easily see Daniel reacting to a dear friend who he had seen die in front of him. I'm so glad the emotion was right. It would have been horrible if he just acted like it was just another weird thing in a string of weirdness. Also loved the hug at the end. And, Janet's scene with Landry. (BTW, she didn't look blonde to me)

I think BB did a very good job of playing bad Mitchell. Like ours said, there was no over the top goatee type thing, but everything about him was slightly off and different, to show that he was different. Also, the bad Mitchell's demeanor with Landry was different from our Mitchell's own demeanor (like when he assured Landry that his own question was stupid, not Landry's). Bad Mitchell wasn't respectful to Landry. I also liked the other Teal'c enjoying hurting our Mitchell.

I've been waiting for AU's where Daniel was still part of the team. Good. I had asked Joe on the blog if everyone on SG1 would have a double in this episode, and I got a little nervous when he didn't answer.

I'm glad they offered an explanation as to why it was SG1 that kept showing up. I mean, obviously, from a show pov it would be them, but I'm glad that the question came up within the universe of SG1.
Why did Sam interrogate herself? I mean, later, I could see her working with herself to solve the technical problem. But, when they were establishing that the other SG1 was who they said they were? Wasn't that risky? I mean, the AU Sam would have been able to anticipate the questions, and deflect, and neither one could be sure of getting the upper hand. They really should have had Teal'c talking to her. First, Teal'c didn't interrogate anyone, and it would have meant a scene between AT and CJ, and I've decided we need more of those. Those two have a nice chemistry that the show doesn't explore enough.

AutumnDream
January 21st, 2006, 12:01 PM
I reaaally enjoyed this one! Just like old times, eh? Well, sans Jack, that is. Seeing Martouf and Janet again was great. I wish they were still around. And I also wish they wouldn't remind me how much I was pissed when Jacob died. ;_;

Lots of pretty funny stuff all around in this one. ^_^ From the goatee thing, I think Mitchell might watch South Park. I know Joe Mallozzi has been watching it. :D The new Asgard cracks me up. He's so neurotic. XD