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GateWorld
January 2nd, 2006, 07:03 PM
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Michael and his Wraith faction arrive at Atlantis to propose an alliance, hoping to use the retrovirus to transform their Wraith enemies into prey.

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Jeffer
January 30th, 2006, 05:46 PM
Omg What An Ep It Was The Best One Of Both Seasons



I Can"t Wait For Septmeber


just one they still don't have an intergalactic hyperdrive

becasue as i see it in Aroua the team didn't get that info

HarSins
January 30th, 2006, 05:48 PM
I dunno what was up with that. I didnt think they would be so stupid as to ally with them..That made no sense to me i knew they were gunna get owned later on.

Ichigo
January 30th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Might be the best ep. for season 2.

The tension was heavy through the whole ep. an Alliance between the Wraith and Atlantis. Watching the Char. watch there every move with the wraith there, was great. If they follow up with a great 2nd ep. it will be one of the best of both series.

Great Ep. everyone should watch this one.

Jeffer
January 30th, 2006, 05:57 PM
the Battle was great with the F-302s

Ichigo
January 30th, 2006, 05:57 PM
The ep. was to open up the plots and to learn more about the wraith. Of course they were going to get pwned. But the suspense was killer through the whole thing. And leads good into a second parter.

Ichigo
January 30th, 2006, 06:01 PM
And the deadalus protecting Michael hive ship looks soooooooo awesome.

Jeffer
January 30th, 2006, 06:03 PM
i just can't wit till they get to earth we will have the deady the prommie a few Gau'uld motherships and some Asgard motherships(if avail) waiting for the plus the drone weapon man they'll get killed

SmallTimePerson
January 30th, 2006, 06:03 PM
some people cant wait for the official episode thread to come up:rolleyes:, any1 got spoilers? or an episode summary?

SmallTimePerson
January 30th, 2006, 06:05 PM
sounds like a brilliant ep!

Jeffer
January 30th, 2006, 06:05 PM
i would do a sumary but last time i did i got bashed so never again



but this ONE of the best 2 parters

FallenAngelII
January 30th, 2006, 06:05 PM
i just can't wit till they get to earth we will have the deady the prommie a few Gau'uld motherships and some Asgard motherships(if avail) waiting for the plus the drone weapon man they'll get killed

You don't know? The Daedalus is getting destroyed in next week's episode (or the week after that) and we'll get a new battlefield (same class).

Ichigo
January 30th, 2006, 06:06 PM
That might like Mckay, Ronan, and Seppard. But ya i wonder how they will incorperate the milky way and earths defences in the second ep. (if thats where there headed which is likely)

SmallTimePerson
January 30th, 2006, 06:09 PM
You don't know? The Daedalus is getting destroyed in next week's episode (or the week after that) and we'll get a new battlefield (same class).
if youre talking about SG-1s ethon episode then its the promethues, as ethon ate the promethues liver in greek mythology, but the promethues was saved by hercules. And its battlecruiser, not battlefield

Jeffer
January 30th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Man This Ep Was Good

The Shrike
January 30th, 2006, 06:15 PM
Wow, could they have screwed up any worse....lol.

AzMcNeil
January 30th, 2006, 06:17 PM
Comments on the episode are cool but we need a recap.... please, please, please!!! :jack:

Ichigo
January 30th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Wow, could they have screwed up any worse....lol.

They could have told more wraith of earth and gave them the info they learned. The location of Atlantis, with the knowledge that its not blown up.

sunny
January 30th, 2006, 06:45 PM
Haven't seen it yet, but from what I've heard Weir's taking meds now? Sedatives. I just hope it doesn't mean we have a 'addiction' storyline in Atlanits' future.

And of course once again everyone is duped and split up into differing locations to amp up the jeopardy. dun dun dun

Beal
January 30th, 2006, 06:49 PM
They're so screwed, so utterly utterly screwed.

rhade
January 30th, 2006, 07:03 PM
Sounds like a great episode except that why did they trust the Wraith that makes no sense in the least. Man talk about incompetent management. Sounds likw a great nail biting episode but still. Hopefully the Orii will go and kill all the Wraith they after all will have the opportunity to show more God like powers by pwning the Wraith. They don't want all those people eaten they want followers after all.

rhade
January 30th, 2006, 07:10 PM
WOW great stuff but still Weir should be demoted or fired

for letting all that intell get to the Wraith as well as the location of Earth and all the other planets.

Peoples_General
January 30th, 2006, 07:41 PM
They (TPTB) did say that there will be Wraith ships going to the Milky Way. I speculate that the Wraith will be making their appearance in the MW during the episode #4 called "Uninvited". Perhaps TPTB would change the title as its soooo obvious. ;-)

Now.... lets see how they'll fair against Hataks, Al'Keshs, Tel'Taks, and Death Gliders. Perhaps some O'Neill Class ships will come defend the MW along side the Jaffa Nation and our Odessy and F-302s.

Or.... will the Hive Ships stumble upon an Ori foothold and get beyatch-slapped out of the galactic rim.:docianime15: :prioranime07:

corey2002
January 30th, 2006, 07:57 PM
one word- Creepy

corey2002
January 30th, 2006, 07:59 PM
they seemed prety confident about getting to earth-could rodney have accidently modified thier hyperdrive to run continuously like deadelus during his repairs?

Xanderic
January 30th, 2006, 08:02 PM
wait it's already been broadcasted? When? Where?

jenks
January 30th, 2006, 08:15 PM
I wonder how long it will take my cousin to send me it,... any ideas?

A Lost Cause
January 30th, 2006, 08:20 PM
great episode overall, however I did find it a tad predictable(replicarter anyone?) but even so, probably the best episode this season and really creates some suspense and tension... gonna be a LONG wait till the second part :( , BTW to the person who asked, it aired at 8PM est. in Canada

Xanderic
January 30th, 2006, 08:24 PM
great episode overall, however I did find it a tad predictable(replicarter anyone?) but even so, probably the best episode this season and really creates some suspense and tension... gonna be a LONG wait till the second part :( , BTW to the person who asked, it aired at 8PM est. in Canada
oh no wonder dam you EST people. I'm in PST. :(

A Lost Cause
January 30th, 2006, 08:36 PM
Ill do a quick summary for anyone who really wants to know the main plot(dont have time for an in depth one)

Almost right at the start of the episode the wraith show up at atlantis saying they know they are there and they are offering peace. They quickly realize that they have no choice but to trust the wraith(michaels hive) or they(michael) will release all the information about atlantis being around to the rest of the wraith. (Tayla early doesn't trust the wraith but they ignore her)
They are getting along pretty well(except ronon of course) until they want to do a first test of the virus which fails. after that they return to atlantis and mckay "convinces" them to give up all the information on wraith ships which is very easily given to them.
They decide to help the wraith, and when they plan their second attempt on attacking another hive ship, they are betrayed by the wraith(mckay and ronon are on the hive ship trying to help out the wraith because they belive them) and the wraith turn on them. (Zelenka(cant spell his name) finds a virus in atlantis's computers where they downloaded the wraith schematics(which are luckly separate from all the main computers) however its too late.
they get two pieces of data, the mission logs, and ALL known planets within the two galaxies.
Sheppard goes out in a 302 to try and help fight off the wraith while they try and beam out mckay and ronon which fails, sheppards 302 dissapears and the two wraith ships enter hyperspace. The wraith then tell us the truth, it was all a ruse to get the exact location of earth.(its not straight out stated, but I believe they are on their way to earth(the hive))


Well theres my short and crappy summary, but like I said unfortunately I dont have more time to write out a proper one

SmallTimePerson
January 30th, 2006, 08:50 PM
so they didnt get the hyperdrive tech?
no wonder joe didnt answer my question...

Xanderic
January 30th, 2006, 09:15 PM
I knew it. We can never trust the wraith, the gould(especially baal), and the Ori(definately) *angry* Didn't the Altantean Expedition Team learn that no one can really be trusted from the Genii? Stupid Smart people.

GateMan2000
January 30th, 2006, 09:20 PM
Did they have the Orion at Atlantis?

TOA
January 30th, 2006, 09:41 PM
My Mini Summery - Allies....

In the beginning your friend and mine (aka smarmy dude - aka Mckay) was on a ship ... an Ancient ship. Called ... the Orion. He was giving an overview of what the repair status was to Colonel Caldwell and bragging that it was "amazing" that they had gotten it this far in only 3 weeks.

Orion currently has functioning hyperdrives, life support, and likely will have shields in short order. That said its weapon systems are still dead in the water.

FLASH BACK TO ATLANTIS....

The wraith hive is still approaching and the Earthers have evac'd the Althosians to Atlantis from the mainland and are preparing to activate the cities cloak.

Just then the hive jumps into the local system and Atlantis activates its cloak. Conversations between Caldwell & Weir indicate that both Daedaleus and Orion are waiting just outside sensor range ready to jump in and nuke the hive if it detects atlantis. (Once again note: The orion is basically a glorified target at this point.... This is speculation but... can you say "buh bye in 3x01")

The hive approaches Lantia (the planet atlantis is on) and begins hailing Atlantis in voice only mode. The voice sounds eeerriliy familiar as Micheal aka "revert" explains they mean no harm and come in peace to speak only.

Mckay & Zelenka create a broadcast relay to mask the location of atlantis and they proceed to discuss an alliance with Michael.

The wraith explain that they we're prematurely awakened 2 years ago by the possibility of a rich new feeding ground (*cough* Earth *cough*) but since then they have made little to no progress on finding this planet. (not to mention they have no galactic class hyperdrives - which seems to have been forgotten... ) Because they havent reached earth they are beginning to starve and civil war has erupted amongst the wraith (for the first time ever). They are requesting access to the retro virus Beckett tested on Micheal and in exchange they offer the source code to their Jamming software (which is inhibiting the Asgard beaming tech).

****Weir and the gang hum and haw and eventually decide they must allie with the wraith as the overhanging threat is that they will broadcast that atlantis survived to the other wraith if they dont.***

(Yes this is the reason they allied with them for those that keep asking why???)

After they agree to the alliance Teyla and John are talking in a hallway - it is now made clear 2 things - 1) Teyla did NOT want them to use the virus even on Micheal, she only went with it out of "trust" for the Earth folks, 2) Teyla is NOT a happy woman about this whole alliance thing. The concept of turning wraith into humans so other wraith can use them as snacks does NOT appeal to her.

Enter scary queen wraith & entourage including Micheal. NOTE: scary wraith queen looks surprisingly similar to the keeper in rising except she has scary brown hair..

They talk. Scientists (Beckett & Zelenka) meet with wraith guy. Basically all the discussions center around a delivery method for the virus.


Mckay & Hermiod have an amazing love scene - where their mutual admiration is exposed.

Queeny decides a test is in order and feasts on a "bad" wraith.

They decide to give it a go, so the wraith acompanied by a cloaked jumper approach an evil wraith hive and attempt to board with canisters full of retro virus. The boarding party is apparently discovered and killed. The "good" hive is then attacked and heavily damaged.

The "good" wraith return to atlantis, and the queen is all *****y like and demands they fix the delivery system. Mckay gets his back up and demands access to ALL wraith technology in order to fix the issue. The queen *surprise* concedes and sends all the data, Mckay gets wood and immediately gets to work ignoring the fact that the system the data is on is networked into atlantis (***even after being warned by weir**)

In the meantime Weir offers Mckays assistance with the wraith hive as it has been heavily damaged. ****DISCOVERY***** The wraith hives being organic in nature will eventually "fix" themselves, that said they are very difficult to upgrade or rapidly repair. Since the wraith have not been in a serious battle for 10,000 years they have either lost or radically have reduced their ability to repair the hives. (****NOTE: You just know this discovery is going to be important at some point****)

Working working working... Mckay discovers a weak point on the hives which will immediately distribute the virus, but it requires the use of asgard beams to try as this section would be guarded.

The queen argues against this as it makes them reliant on Atlantis, Weir & Mckay win out and another test is agreed upon.

Hermiod and Mckay go at it yet again. Their love is just so undying.

After Mckay decides he needs to go with the wraith as he is the "only" one who understands the delivery system(everyone sing "dumb dum dumb dumb DUMMMMBBBBB!!!")

The wraith set out for yet another near by enemy hive with Daeduleus close behind.

As Daeduleus jumps out of hyperspace it is immediately attacked, by both the "good" and "evil" wraith hives.

Hermiod attempts to beam in a nuke to no avail, and is unable to supercede the wraith protection scheme.

John being all selfless hops into an f302 along with 3 or so others and heads to the "good" wraith vessel in an attempt to blow out its hyperdrives.

Mckay & Ronon in the wraith vessle are taken into custody and are put into those wraith food storage units.

After dealing serious damage to Daeduleus the wraith activate their hyperdrives and take off.

Later in atlantis:
It is realized that the second batch of data (all the wraith tech) was actually a specialized worm looking for specific data.. Most notably two separate things: 1) The locations of ALL known human worlds 2) the Aurora mission reports.

The worm also deleted all the wraith tech data.

Later on the "good" hive ship:

A wraith later thanks Mckay for his help in getting "there" - Earth

Show two wraith hives in hyperspace CUT....


Thats a wrap.


Okay so things to remember for season 3:
1) Micheal is now "different" from other wraith. Hes actually somewhat nice err for a wraith. He also seems to have a "thing" for Teyla... (A nice light snack maybe... who knows?)

2) The wraith inability to upgrade and fix their own tech is going to haunt them.

3) Obviously the aurora mission reports are very significant to the wraith (can you say mid-season 3 opener)..

So status as of the end of the episode:
1) Atlantis and its computer network are somewhat disabled from the wraith worm
2) Orion is not completely fixed and has no functioning weapons
3) Daedalues is seriously damaged
4) Earth has not been warned
5) John is MIA and presumed dead....Again.... (he was caught up in the hyperdrive wake from the wraith hive)
6) 2 hives are currently en-route to Earth - A third hive is likely en-route to Atlantis
7) No mention was made in regards to the wraith ability to use galactic speed hyperdrives, their own tech being organic is NOT capable.

Season Wrap:

The last 4 episodes of season 2 were really very good even with the continuity & logic issues. Additionally Critical Mass was also excellent (my favourite this season). In all the second half of the season was pretty good, but like last year it definitely had its dog episodes - *cough* The Tower...

Comments to the production team:

Whats with the abrupt episode endings in the second half of the season? Its almost like you were told to trim an extra 2-3 minutes for more commercials after the episodes we're shot. This carried through on nearly every single episode in the second half of SGA.

Anyways thats it for me.... Same time next year...

randy
January 30th, 2006, 09:46 PM
That's what I am talking about, TOA. Thanks for the summary.

Schrodinger82
January 30th, 2006, 10:37 PM
Later in atlantis:
It is realized that the second batch of data (all the wraith tech) was actually a specialized worm looking for specific data.. Most notably two separate things: 1) The locations of ALL known human worlds 2) the Aurora mission reports.

The worm also deleted all the wraith tech data.

Wait, you're telling me that after all that, McKay somehow failed to make a backup copy?

Wow.

It's amazing how often the writers have to make McKay a complete dumbass for the sake of moving the plot forward (cough, cough, Trinity).

Greg
January 31st, 2006, 12:28 AM
a great episode, one of the best. Cant wait till season 3 in July.

syyid
January 31st, 2006, 01:05 AM
really good episode except as always their stupidities
1) The data was supposed to be on a non networked machine, hence can't do anything externally
2) The backups issue that was mentioned previously
3) Why the hell did they trust the Wraith to begin with. Even if they ally themselves in the short term, in the long term it was suicidal (eliminating the civil war would simply strengthen the wraith
4) They've already encountered the dormant virus attack on the Deddy
But beyond the plot holes was a really good ep especially the fact that we're so totally screwed.

Bring on the Ori vs Wraith wars :D heh actually would've been funny if we could determine the Ori home galaxy and sent the wraith there (yes sadistic wrong on a million levels and then some but for the pure value of seeing the Ori going toe to toe with the Wraith :D)

Franklyn Blaze
January 31st, 2006, 01:10 AM
Man, millions of dollars at their disposal and they STILL don't splurge on some decent anti-virus software!:zelenka26: Guess thats what you get when you go with dell. Just Kidding :cameron:

AutumnDream
January 31st, 2006, 01:49 AM
really good episode except as always their stupidities
1) The data was supposed to be on a non networked machine, hence can't do anything externally


They mentioned that very thing in the show two or three times, and then used the fact that it stole data from the database to push the plot. That's just beyond absurd. And why is it every time, Caldwell says, "Oh-ho! Let's warp in and kick some ass!"

*Ensuing warp*

*20 seconds later...*

"Oh no! Shields at 20%! I guess the last fourteen times I did this didn't drive it hard enough into my skull that the Daedalus is a giant flying junk pile!"

It's getting old. I'd like to say as well that's it's a pretty big slap in the face to the fandom who were expecting to see our new Ancient ship in action this episode. Oh, right. The weapons don't work! Well. Thanks to one line by McKay, the visual team doesn't have to do all the space battle work involving a new 3D model! And the writers have any easy way to circumvent the fact if we did have Orion, this whole thing could have been prevented. Why give us the ship one episode beforehand if they were just going to use a silly excuse to not have it do anything?

McKay decided hs absolutely needs to go on the Wraith Ship with Ronan? What, so that we can be in such overwhelming suspense over his coming fate? Are we supposed to believe the most loved character on the show is going to be killed off? Or that Earth is going to get wiped out by the two Wraith ships? "Cliffhangers" like that don't work anymore. Siege II was exciting not because I was really in any doubt that Sheppard would survive, but because I was so excited to see how it would all play out. Whether we'd lose the city, or what hidden secrets we might discover in it to save ourselves, etc.

I'm not a big fan of seeing aliens and stuff on any show. Galactica is cool because the badguys are either human or machine, not weird makeup jobs. I used to think Wraith like Steve or Bob looked cool, but these new ones are sorta... not as cool. Micheal looks totally whacko. And is the overkill on the voice effect really necessary? The Asgard are looking pretty plasticy these days, too.

The episode's plot was kind of underwhelming. Considering the incredible rush I got when The Siege Part II ended, this seems even weaker. Back then, I never would have imagined that the show would be this simplistic by now. I really expected a lot more throughout the season, and I suppose I figured the "super magical finale" would fix all my concerns. Again, nothing to do with Atlantis or its backstory,no real character-centered action or development, and nothing other than showing the fact that our lovely expedition is gullibile as hell. Seriously. They screwed up bigtime in Micheal and caused Atlantis' existence to be divulged. They could have left it at that, but no! They had to deal with the Wraith some more and screw up the rest of humanity too!

If somebody doesn't get fired by the SGC next season, I'll genuinely be in shock... that is, if I put aside the fact that I know nothing bad or permanent is going to happen to a leading character without kicking him/her off the show because of TBTP's inane love for bottled episodes. (As JF admitted in the new Gateworld interview.) I don't get it. Other continuous shows like Lost (which I don't watch) or Galactica garner massive critical acclaim and viewship and somehow, someone up there believes it's best to tie the majority of episodes into a neat little package by the end, thus eliminating any potential for deeper, more complicated and meaningful story arcs that last longer than two episodes. This doesn't have to be a silly adventure show, as it was dismissed in the latest issue of Rolling Stone. We've seen the incredible potential of it many many times in the past.

What I'm saying is, had season 2 progressed as it should have according to the awesome standards set by season 1, this episode would have been something truly astonishing. And I was still expecting the glorious finale I'd constructed in my mind. Even if my expectations were too high, (which is likely) this was still far too little for a season ender. The Wraith betrayed us!? Oh, horror of horrors! Who could have anticipated this travesty! It would have been way more interested if they hadn't, actually. Our Stargate badguys have to be pure black and white. They're good or they're evil. No shaky grey area here.

I'm going to keep watching when Season 3 starts, because I still have faith that this show will end up being what we all thought it would be.

PS: And even Sanctuary wiped the floor with The Tower. I've seen episodes of Maury Povich that wiped the floor with The Tower. (Okay, not really.)

macktheknife
January 31st, 2006, 01:50 AM
Singlehandedly saved Season 2.

And now to discuss what was wrong :P (is it any different ever?)
I think on 1) above, maybe after a while they "trusted" them and needed the PC's networked, or it used it's U8eR WR@I+H c0mpu+0r VIru$ 1337ness sK1llZ to haxor a PDA or something (with wireless), and invade the other systems.

2) I would have had them being hard copied, screenshots and printed, or pictures or anything.

3) Yeh, but I suppose the choice between "Help this wraith" or "50 hive ships a few weeks" I'd probably choose "Help this wraith". Well, if it was reality, I'd just leave and nuke atlantis, but then we'd have no show.

4) Yep, but I guess thats where explanations of 1) come into it.

And honestly, teyla needs to go. Ronon has shown up and become a better character in a third of a season than she has in 2 full ones. Especially that she won't be the "love interest". Sora, Cadman, Super Ford, off the top of my head, could probably be better.

Good Moments (among others)
Asgard. He is cool.
Beckett and Zelenka with the Wraith.

Agent_Dark
January 31st, 2006, 01:55 AM
Wait, you're telling me that after all that, McKay somehow failed to make a backup copy?

Wow.

It's amazing how often the writers have to make McKay a complete dumbass for the sake of moving the plot forward (cough, cough, Trinity).
The backup copy would have contained the Wraith virus as well. Wouldn't have made any difference.

macktheknife
January 31st, 2006, 01:56 AM
Is anyone thinking the wraith will turn the retrovirus into a virus to turn humans into wraith?

As for the networking thing, rodney said they were "completely firewalled" firewalled suggest they are connected to the network, so they have connected to their network, and then the virus (which they did'nt detect) broke though it.

Agent_Dark
January 31st, 2006, 02:07 AM
A few things:
*The very start of the episode, they have the cloak on to hide themselves from the hive ship. So why are they broadcasting radio transmissions to the Deadalus and the Orion? It's no use being invisible if the Wraith can hear you. Obviously the radio transmissions would have encrypted so the Wraith can't hear what they're saying, but they would have still been able to detect the actual radio transmission itself.

*Atlantis really had no choice but to go along with Micheal and his gang. They were basically blackmailed after all. I don't have a problem with that part of the story. However they probably could have shown the Atlantis personal being a little more distrusting of the Wraith than they were. Ronan, Teyla and Caldwell were the only ones that really showed any distrust. As it was, it came across that Atlantis was too easily duped - again.

*Weren't the computers that received the Hiveship manuals not hooked up to the rest of the Atlantis network? So how did the trojan upload the info about the Aurora mission and the planets?

*Is McKay being kept alive so they can force him to work on the modified hyperdrive engines? Obviously Shep will come rescue McKay and Ronan in the Season 3 opener ;)

syyid
January 31st, 2006, 02:08 AM
Is anyone thinking the wraith will turn the retrovirus into a virus to turn humans into wraith?

Nopes why would they want to do that? Reduce their food supply? What for? Perhaps if they were actually losing but still very risky and doubtful. Unless they got the Team Atlantis syndrome (we're gonna be as stupid as stupid can be :D)

About the fact that they virus owned a PDA they already saw what their stuff can do in the deddy. It needed to be completely self contained with no external means of accessing anything, a knoppix bootable cd with a second dvd drive containing the data perhaps :-P, nothing is writable beyond the system memory there is no networking or external connectivity, pda anything :P. Also the hard copies/printouts idea should have been thought of not to mention anything they gave us should've been considered bogus data

macktheknife
January 31st, 2006, 02:09 AM
*Weren't the computers that received the Hiveship manuals not hooked up to the rest of the Atlantis network? So how did the trojan upload the info about the Aurora mission and the planets?

*Is McKay being kept alive so they can force him to work on the modified hyperdrive engines? Obviously Shep will come rescue McKay and Ronan in the Season 3 opener ;)

Or :daniel: :tealc: :sam: :vala: :cameron:
Or both. I would think Wraith coming to earth would be ripe crossover potential.

IF they actually make it out of the galaxy.

1st one, I think I explain that in the last post.


Nopes why would they want to do that? Reduce their food supply? What for? Perhaps if they were actually losing but still very risky and doubtful. Unless they got the Team Atlantis syndrome (we're gonna be as stupid as stupid can be :D)

Well, 2 hive ships vs the entire Milky Way Galaxy? Especially if they did'nt tell their other wraith mates about the Aurora modifications. Jaffa\Goauld\Wraith combines.

syyid
January 31st, 2006, 02:14 AM
As for the networking thing, rodney said they were "completely firewalled" firewalled suggest they are connected to the network, so they have connected to their network, and then the virus (which they did'nt detect) broke though it.

Weir on the first databurst and I quote 'download it to a non networked firewalled computer'

macktheknife
January 31st, 2006, 02:15 AM
Weir on the first databurst and I quote 'download it to a non networked firewalled computer'

That was the 1st one, the Rodney one was (I belive) the 2nd one.

Agent_Dark
January 31st, 2006, 02:18 AM
That was the 1st one, the Rodney one was (I belive) the 2nd one.
Still, you'd think they'd play it safe...

syyid
January 31st, 2006, 02:20 AM
That was the 1st one, the Rodney one was (I belive) the 2nd one.
Correct but if they actually changed protocol for the second time around - we trust our buddies the wraith um yeah they deserve to be screwed. Most software can be overcome one way or the other, hardware links not existing at all is the only truly secure method. Again they already experienced this with the deddy

macktheknife
January 31st, 2006, 02:20 AM
Still, you'd think they'd play it safe...

Yeah.

I suppose they could probably have done a better solution to it, but then I'm not a writer.

I thought of another moment, "Captain Shepard" just sitting in the chai whilst McKay does all the work.

Agent_Dark
January 31st, 2006, 02:21 AM
Or :daniel: :tealc: :sam: :vala: :cameron:
Or both. I would think Wraith coming to earth would be ripe crossover potential.

IF they actually make it out of the galaxy.

Yeah, I thought about the crossover to SG1, but I'm not too sure on it. I'm pretty sure the Hive ships haven't had their hyperdrives modified yet, so I think part 2 of this will play out with Shep racing against time to rescue McKay and Ronan before the Wraith finish modifying their engines.

macktheknife
January 31st, 2006, 02:23 AM
Yeah, I thought about the crossover to SG1, but I'm not too sure on it. I'm pretty sure the Hive ships haven't had their hyperdrives modified yet, so I think part 2 of this will play out with Shep racing against time to rescue McKay and Ronan before the Wraith finish modifying their engines.

Yep, shepard will have been sucked into their hyperspace window (or he's landed already).

I wonder if super :ford: will turn up. That would be crazy.

syyid
January 31st, 2006, 02:28 AM
Yeah, I thought about the crossover to SG1, but I'm not too sure on it. I'm pretty sure the Hive ships haven't had their hyperdrives modified yet, so I think part 2 of this will play out with Shep racing against time to rescue McKay and Ronan before the Wraith finish modifying their engines.

Yeah i'd bet that thats exactly how they'd play it out. They still have the problem of all the data that they have accumulated. (Location of Earth / other related milky way planets / hyperdrive schematics from the aurora). Maybe the Orion will come in and blow the two hives to smithereens and since they were being greedy and hadnt shared their intel with the rest of the wraith?

SmallTimePerson
January 31st, 2006, 02:50 AM
Is anyone thinking the wraith will turn the retrovirus into a virus to turn humans into wraith?

doubt it, i think they may actually use their virus in their civil war, or use the virus to make a vaccine for it so they dont get effected by it.

Whats this about the hive ships being organic...no one saw that one coming :rolleyes:, well maybe its the weakness in their tech. Maybe if you squirt it with saltwater...

macktheknife
January 31st, 2006, 02:52 AM
Heh, I found another "lol" moment, Zelenka and Shep talking after Shep brings in coffee, some science chick takes one, then Shep takes the other, and Zelenka goes to get it but he's already drinking it. Funny.

I think they might try that, but only if they would actually go to Earth.

BTW, would this next episode be written already?

SmallTimePerson
January 31st, 2006, 02:56 AM
BTW, would this next episode be written already?
I think it has, as there are some limited spoilers and it has Gero writing it...

i think it is at least up to the real worldat the minute as JM said "Another two episodes come compliments of Carl Binder, a couple of very well-written, very tight scripts " in his blog, referring to the ep name mentioned above.

shockwave
January 31st, 2006, 03:06 AM
good episode, not the best, but still a good episode

the siege 2 was better, but this one was good as well

one of the better eps of a not-so-good season

Lord Willow
January 31st, 2006, 03:07 AM
very very extreme episode, especially the end of it
now me wonders, since stargate atlantis is watching the actions in the pegasus galaxy, now that earth will be in danger it would be sg1's job to stop the hives
so in 3x01 will propably see a wraith attack on atlantis and on 10x01 a wraith-earth war...

wonder what will eventually happen...

Schrodinger82
January 31st, 2006, 03:16 AM
The backup copy would have contained the Wraith virus as well. Wouldn't have made any difference.

Just because there's code on your computer doesn't mean you have to execute it. Stargate is funny like that though, I guess.

SmallTimePerson
January 31st, 2006, 03:21 AM
the writers couldnt let the atlantis team keep the data, otherwise the daeddy wouldnt be in so much trouble if a hive ship knocked on the door

Schrodinger82
January 31st, 2006, 03:23 AM
The last 4 episodes of season 2 were really very good even with the continuity & logic issues. Additionally Critical Mass was also excellent (my favourite this season). In all the second half of the season was pretty good, but like last year it definitely had its dog episodes - *cough* The Tower...

Personally, I would take "The Tower" over "Critical Mass" any day of the week. "The Tower" aimed for camp and achieved camp. "Critical Mass" aimed for thought provoking drama, and fell far short of it.

SmallTimePerson
January 31st, 2006, 03:31 AM
"The Tower" aimed for camp and achieved camp. "Critical Mass" aimed for thought provoking drama, and fell far short of it.
I thought the tower aimed for thought provoking drama and critical mass was an entertaining ep that made you think about some stuff

FallenAngelII
January 31st, 2006, 03:39 AM
God, "Allies" was ship-city! Massive shipping material for McShep, McDex, McLenka, AmaDex and even some McHerm!

macktheknife
January 31st, 2006, 03:49 AM
God, "Allies" was ship-city! Massive shipping material for McShep, McDex, McLenka, AmaDex and even some McHerm!

You don't need to use spoilers in an episode thread. Now i'm a bloke, and even I noticed the Zelenka\McKay slashiness. :P

What the hell is AmaDex? I might be tired, I have no idea who you are talking about.

FallenAngelII
January 31st, 2006, 03:53 AM
I have no idea what the proper ship-names are, so I just made it up. Amagan (Teyla) and Dex (Ronon) XD.

Yes, the McLenka was truly noticable. I'm a bloke, too, BTW ;). To each his/her own.

EDIT: About Michael, he seems quite human still. He spoke to Teyla and was trying to tell her something. And then when the Queen (I assume she was the queen) fed on the humanized Wraith, he looked saddened and slightly sickened and said "I've seen enough" and left abruptly.

He might prove useful in season 3. Maybe he will actually betray the Wraith and help Rodney and Ronon escape and defeat his own people. Maybe he will be like the Tok'ra, infiltrating the Wraith and helping us destroy them. Or he might die in the process of helping us defeat his own Hive.

Hatcheter
January 31st, 2006, 04:10 AM
They (TPTB) did say that there will be Wraith ships going to the Milky Way. I speculate that the Wraith will be making their appearance in the MW during the episode #4 called "Uninvited". Perhaps TPTB would change the title as its soooo obvious. ;-)Source?

FallenAngelII
January 31st, 2006, 04:17 AM
Why they didn't remove the computers with the wraith info from any kind of Internet or info relaying access the moment they had received the Wraith intel is beyond me.

Blitz
January 31st, 2006, 04:18 AM
Uninvited could refer to the new enemy in SG1. Or an ascended being in the SGC (again) or a virus, some creature in the SGC running around (How funky would that be, Stitch (LILO and STICH) running around the SGC with SG-1 running after him :D:D:D:D:D :D So yea - uninvited could be anything.

As for Weir...I dont think she did it intentionally and I expect a military commander could infact make the same mistake. (I got no idea, not watched it but im nice to civilian monkeys)

FallenAngelII
January 31st, 2006, 04:22 AM
What choice did she have? Let them disclose their existance to the rest of the Wraith? And the top minds of Earth didn't notice there was a worm in the info. How is Elizabeth, who's not a computers expert and who didn't analyze the data herself, supposed to notice it?

corey2002
January 31st, 2006, 04:40 AM
the wraith seemed prety confident about getting to earth-could rodney have accidently modified thier hyperdrive to run continuously like deadelus during his repairs?
any other ideas on how they could be getting there? all they have is the gate adress and we still have an iris

prion
January 31st, 2006, 04:56 AM
First, I don't trust the wraith. Haven't seen it all, but dont' trust 'em as far as I can toss my dog (which isn't far, he's a tubby dog).

Does anybody else think Sheppard looks darned uncomfortable in the Orion's command chair? Like it's too small and he's afraid he's going to get catapulted across the room?

Interesting that Teyla was initially opposed to the retrovirus idea, and again, there are issues not so much of believing in ideas but in trusting in other people, as she placed her trust in Sheppard for that idea to work.

The visuals of the wraith dart being escorted into Atlantis by 302s was cool.

"You think you're smarter than I am" McKay to Hermoid. He'll never win against an Asgard....

Does anybody else wonder where the Wraith get their clothes? I mean, somebody has to make them. Leather boots, etc. Sometimes they dress like rock stars. I'm just thinking... do they keep human slaves around in little sweat shops? Is there a caste system within the Wraith? Who cleans the windows? Questions, questions....

Oh wait, a wraith female - brunette? Interesting. Most have white or pink hair.

"Let's just say I'm worried about my grandkids" Shep to wraith lady

The overall plot of eliminating the competition makes sense. After all, if we humans don't mind nuking each other, we shouldn't complain about the wraith eating eaach other.

Oh wow, Beckett yelling at a wraith. The man's got guts! However, it's sorta disturbing that Beckett has transitioned from saving lives (his words to Teyla about Charin) to now practicing biological warfare is scary. It was sort of a given that the wraith turned human would get fed upon, but did like Shep's reaction, and well, Weir's stepped over her ethical boundaries. Okay, going along further, Bekcett has quibbles about the use of it, and WEir is using sedatives to sleep as it's bothering her so much. (Well, at least we get some crumbs of empathy there).

Ah, the silliness of trying to deal with the wraith. Blackmail works so well as the humans have NOTHING to bargain with, really. Just their knowledge which won't get 'em far if they get discovered.

Fun part. Shep saying how when he was a kid and got his first encyclopedia, he went to the letter S, and Zelenka saying "yes, I'm sure wraith sexuality is interesting." ha!

"He was guiding me down the hall, not sucking the life out of my shoulder!. Say you're sorry!" McKay barking at Ronon after Ronon shoves wraith into wall.

McKay suggesting he should be on the hive, but he's got a plan to beam himself out. Ah, the best laid plans. I shouldn't have looked at the spoiler pics.

McKay patting Shep on the shoulder and leaving and Shep looking like 'huh, what was that about?"

Shep worrying about McKay and Ronon on board the ship. Shep going out in 302.

Okay, guess the walls in wraith ships are sticky.

Okay, wraith ships skedaddle through hyperspace.
The atlantis folk are ready for breakdowns with all the data they lost on inhabited planets (including earth).
Rodney's ego has taken a hit as sure, he did it all, but he helped betray earth (not knowingly of course)
Shep, as far as I'm concerned, attached his 302 to the hive ship and went through hyperspace with it as hey, leave no man behind, and he's not leaving two behind.

Let's see, July is about six months away. Darn.

Overall, last week's episode INFERNO was a lot more exciting. This one was, in some respects, somewhat transparent as at least we viewers know the wraith are totally untrustworthy. SIEGE was actually a more satisfying cliffhanger than this one; this was sorta anti-climatic.

BlackBaron
January 31st, 2006, 04:58 AM
Best episode ever in SGA. I really belived the wraith in that episode. :(

Great, great, great episode! And now we have to wait. :(

Netherlands
January 31st, 2006, 05:25 AM
Damm, this was a great episode. I was realy waiting for that other ship from the inferno episode to kicked in but this was not happening. I like to see the face of the raith when that Ancient warship was getting out of hyperspace in front of there noses :P

James_the_Wraith_Sympathiser
January 31st, 2006, 05:28 AM
9.955555/10 (nothing is perfect :D)

This is the Wraith episode that I've wanted to see ever since I watched Rising. One thing I don't get though........

How did the Wraith know about the Aurora mission?

other than that, this was up there with the best of season 2...I am hanging now until S3 premieres.

They got absolutely owned...they obviously suspected that McKay et al would love to see some Wraith schematics...and the fact that they asked for them made it even less suss for the Wraith...

The way the one Wraith casually says 'Earth' at the end, that was just too creepy...I don't know what it is, but even the sight of Wraith makes my skin crawl...

awesome ep, definately gonna require repeated viewings.

Agent_Dark
January 31st, 2006, 05:30 AM
Just because there's code on your computer doesn't mean you have to execute it. Stargate is funny like that though, I guess.
So what would be the point of the backup then? They'd backup the trojan along with the data and have the same problem. And whats to stop the trojan from executing itself?

Ichigo
January 31st, 2006, 06:25 AM
Best ep. of season 2, it has to be. The none stop tension was great i love that.

Everyone that watches stargate should definatly watch this one.

Wraith_Hunter
January 31st, 2006, 06:43 AM
As I said yesterday, I don't see the Wraith making an appearance in eps 4 & 5 of SG-1. Atlantis airs at the exact same time as SG-1. So I don't see how it's humanly possibly to finish the story in the season premiere of Atlantis, yet take 4 weeks to even appear in SG-1. It simply can't happen.

More likely 'Uninvited' is the appearance of the new enemy that SG-1 is going to face.

It looks as though the two Hive ships are on their way to the MW, so being that they don't have the Hyperdrives to get there at great speed, then as it also looks like they haven't told other Wraith about it, so as to keep the new feeding ground to themselves. Then that makes the job a whole lot easier.

It's very simply how to get them & take them out quickly. Sacrifice the Atlantis ZPM to 'Orion', this boots the Hyperdrive, shields & weapons, Have them go after it at full speed. They should cathc up to them in no time where they simply follow until they drop out of Hyperspace. Then take them out. Problem solved.

From the sounds of 'No Mans Land' though, it probably will be the edge of the MW galaxy, where there will be a battle to stop them arriving. Since 'The Odyssey' will be busy with serious problems of their own. Getting pretty banged up against Two Lucian Alliance Motherships.

Then it seems that unless has more unrevealed Daedalus class warships, then the Asgard will probably be called to give assistance. Which I hope is the case, just to see the Hive ships finally make it to the new feeding ground, then see Daedalus already waiting for it, the two Hive ships think they have easy pickings an & are about to start firing when an O'neil class warship drops out right behind Daedalus, then 'Orion' comes up from behind the Hives from the Pegasus side. See how smart they are then!

Milleniumlance
January 31st, 2006, 06:51 AM
Best ep. of season 2, it has to be. The none stop tension was great i love that.

Everyone that watches stargate should definatly watch this one.

:daniel: we finally got to see the main railguns, two are on the front of the flat top and one at the nose, and they were doing "some" damage Mckay and Ronan heard the impact and explosions. We also findout that the bridge is the square module behind the missile silos....

Mackan
January 31st, 2006, 06:56 AM
Very exciting episode. But why did they trust the Wraith? Ok, I don't care, finally something is happening in Stargate Atlantis, and hopefully they will continue this way in many more episodes next season.

Edit: Ah, I wonder if the two Wraith Hive ships managed to broadcast the earth location and other information to other Hive ships? I can see the future if they didn't. Then these two Hive ships will get destroyed sooner or later, and it is all back to normal again. Stargate has been predictable. :/

Auralis
January 31st, 2006, 07:08 AM
Now we are talking.
Finaly a episode where the wraiths don't ross are total lonnies and space goth wannabees.
An intelegent enemy is much more interesting then a dumb one.

dutchmega
January 31st, 2006, 07:15 AM
Wow freaking crap! Great episode. It has a lot of CGI, way more then the rest of the episodes but still... do they have now intergalactic hyperdrives and if they have: how did they get it?

Second, they want to attack Earth with only 2 hiveships? wtf? They know that the Daedalus shields are good and it's weapons sucks.

About the info about the Orion: The worm probably uploaded all information about spaceships to know what Earth has... But Alantis doesn't have information about spaceships in our galaxy

sgafansam
January 31st, 2006, 07:16 AM
Wait, you're telling me that after all that, McKay somehow failed to make a backup copy?

Wow.

It's amazing how often the writers have to make McKay a complete dumbass for the sake of moving the plot forward (cough, cough, Trinity).

Any backup of file infected with a worm will also contain teh worm that deletes the data...so even if he did make a backup it would likely be wiped just like the original data was...

my question is.....atlantis all this advanced computer technology and NO ANTIVIRUS......god the whole system ships windows compatible ...you think they would have put mccafee or something on there :mckayanime18:

smushybird
January 31st, 2006, 08:00 AM
If somebody doesn't get fired by the SGC next season, I'll genuinely be in shock... that is, if I put aside the fact that I know nothing bad or permanent is going to happen to a leading character without kicking him/her off the show because of TBTP's inane love for bottled episodes. (As JF admitted in the new Gateworld interview.) I don't get it.

I don't get it, either. It's like saying the Atlantis writers are writing episodes for people who aren't fans yet but might someday be. They really underestimate their current fans' ability to follow character development, too, I think. Saying that they have to write episodes in this fashion seems more like an excuse for lazy, predictable writing than anything else. They don't have to. Why don't they shoot for the best possible stories they can tell, instead of settling for simple plots and virtually no character development/growth to keep viewers from supposedly becoming confused?

rexpop
January 31st, 2006, 08:07 AM
A great end to the season. Sure it had a couple of flaws but it had tension in spades. You knew the Wraith were going to double cross the team, you just didn't know when.


the wraith seemed prety confident about getting to earth-could rodney have accidently modified thier hyperdrive to run continuously like deadelus during his repairs?
any other ideas on how they could be getting there? all they have is the gate adress and we still have an iris

My money is on the Wraith getting McKay to do the work on the engines by threatening to kill Ronan.

Wraith_Hunter
January 31st, 2006, 08:12 AM
McKay decided hs absolutely needs to go on the Wraith Ship with Ronan? What, so that we can be in such overwhelming suspense over his coming fate? Are we supposed to believe the most loved character on the show is going to be killed off? Or that Earth is going to get wiped out by the two Wraith ships? "Cliffhangers" like that don't work anymore. Siege II was exciting not because I was really in any doubt that Sheppard would survive, but because I was so excited to see how it would all play out. Whether we'd lose the city, or what hidden secrets we might discover in it to save ourselves, etc.


McKay, admitted that he had done some messing about on the Wraith end as well with their systems. So that's probably why he volunteered to go back, that & the fact that he had the portable remote to send him back to Daedalus. One thing though is that I wonder if he gave Ronon one to get back also.

Shep obviously isn't going to die, however we knew the exact same last season. You say that TSII was exciting because you wondered if they'd lose the city. They had already done that in the mid season two parter. It was pretty obvious they'd never lost the city to the Wraith. After all it's called Stargate: Atlantis & they wouldn't let the Wraith get access to the main DB in the city, because then the Wraith would have found out about Earth by the beginning of S2. So it would be obvious that the show wouldn't be carrying on for very long, especially if all the enemy know of the new feeding ground & are headed there. Also that they knew the Daedalus would be arriving with the ZPM to boost the shield etc.

That was suspense, however this ep leaves more suspense than that of S1 to me. Think about it! Did the two Hives inform the rest of the Wraith about it, what exactly did the Wraith get, how long will it take them to get to the MW, where did Shep jump to, Did McKay really get hacking the Wraith systems that he was so confident that he had done earlier before the Wraith backstab. Are there more Hives in their group. Can they get the weapons working on 'Orion', especially since McKay is no longer there any more to do repairs himself. What will they do with Daedalus, will they try & overtake them back to the MW, will they go & lend a hand to the Orion. Exactly how will they get stopped, will it involve new Daedalus class ships, will the Asgard help out with their warships, will the Jaffa lend their ships, will we see a crossover with SG-1 trying to intercept them etc, etc. Overall this leaves a lot more left to be figured out that that of S1.

'Shep', my speculations is that he used the 302's drive to jump inside the Hive ship. It's him who (predicatably) manages to find & free McKay, who really has managed tyo hack the Wraith systems from the inside, they get the jammer disabled & can then nuke again. Only they won't be able to contact Daedalus or Atlantis to inform them of it. So my bet is that they either just set foot inside the MW or are cut off right at the edge of the MW galaxy. I suspect that they will sacrifice Atlantis' ZPM & install it in the Orion. This will power the shield & energy weapons (if it has them) as well as significantly boosting the HD. It manages to get to them alongside the Daedalus. The Orion only has limited weapons capabilites as it's not been fully repaired, so they can explain away why the Orion doesn't kick their asses with extreme ease. It eventually manages to take out the second Hive ship, then McKay disables the jammer from the inside, they get beamed out by Daedalus & then it beams a nuke again & takes it out.

Although I really would love to see the Asgard warships be asked to help out & it be them that takes the Wraith out. Just to see the Wraith finally get to this galaxy & think it'll be an easy target, then see O'neill class warships jump out of HS. Come on the viewscreen & trash talk them. The Wraith never having seen any real 'Aliens' before think that it's a joke, then Thor gives the command to open fire & they get taken out.

Some things I didn't like though:

The fact that they originally used a non networked computer, then at some point felt that it was safe to abandon protocol & allow it access. Especially after what we saw them do with viruses before in 'Intruder'. So that's a big blunder on their part.

Weir has made two many mistakes this years & I can see a new military commander taking control next season. Weir may have had firends at the beginning of S2, so Landry knew not to push the matter, however after giving the Wraith access to the MW & more significantly Earth. Then I feel that she'll be getting a new boss next year. She'll be in control of the day to day operations but the new guy (Caldwell!) will make all military decisions & everything runs through him first for approval.

Orion, why not use a PJ cloak, like they did with Atlantis & have it be right there cloaked & out of sight, just incase. Especially when the Daedalus was going up against Hive ships potentially. The thought of a double cross never went through their minds, also on the Daedalus front, why only 302's & not use any PJ's. When it was under attack, they could simply have opened the hanagar bay doors & fired the Drones from within the safety of being behind the Asgard shield.

Also I wonder why they listed CT as 'Michael; in the opening credits, especially since it was posted by JM (I think in his blog) that he couldn't reprise the role & so it was give to someone else!

The Wraith scout ship when coming to Atlantis flanked by the 302's. Especially when they all turned & it landed. That looked really artificial to me. Normally the VFX have been top notch but that wasn't very lifelike at all.

The Wraith Queen, wearing heeled shoes or boots. Somehow don't see that being the case. Guess you know what they say, style truly is universal!

Overall a pretty good episode, 7 out of 10.

macktheknife
January 31st, 2006, 08:39 AM
One thing though is that I wonder if he gave Ronon one to get back also.

Yes, McKay told Ronon "activate the beamer thingo" (not exact words).



Also I wonder why they listed CT as 'Michael; in the opening credits, especially since it was posted by JM (I think in his blog) that he couldn't reprise the role & so it was give to someone else!

"Previously on Stargate". He was in that part.

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 08:41 AM
there is a chance that the orion has the slow aurora hyperdrives, right?

Quinn Mallory
January 31st, 2006, 08:48 AM
Wow! This episode sure make the wraiths to be a lot more interesting. I can't wait until season 3.

IndianaJones00
January 31st, 2006, 09:19 AM
It looks as though the two Hive ships are on their way to the MW, so being that they don't have the Hyperdrives to get there at great speed, then as it also looks like they haven't told other Wraith about it, so as to keep the new feeding ground to themselves. Then that makes the job a whole lot easier.
Dont the two Wraith Hiveships now have boosted hyperdrives? as that is what I assumed when they said that only two pieces of info had been taken from the Atlantis system, the mission reports from the Aurora (meaning info on how to boost the hyperdrive) and the locations of Earth and other plants.

If this is correct then even the Daedalus might not be able to catch them in time unless they use the ZPM, but then will they leave Atlantis defenceless?

vaberella
January 31st, 2006, 09:34 AM
WOW great stuff but still Weir should be demoted or fired

for letting all that intell get to the Wraith as well as the location of Earth and all the other planets.

Yeah....she disappoints me..man! I know this will insight storyline..but damn it..she's been disappointing me for months now...

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 09:36 AM
the answer about the aurora mission reports is that at this point we don't know much about the reports.. they are "reports"... also, we don't know how depleted the ZPM is on the orion.. perhaps the orion is just rusty.. to me, there are many possibilities.. i bet everyone at this point will be thrown off before any spoilers are released....

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 09:38 AM
it's not a virus.. it's not a trojan.. it's a WORM!! some folks can't show appreciation to zelenka's terminology.. gotta show some appreciation towards the guy.. he might be our hope to getting weapons online on the orion along with the cute gal (bomb expert?)..

-p

caty
January 31st, 2006, 09:47 AM
Weir has made two many mistakes this years & I can see a new military commander taking control next season. Weir may have had firends at the beginning of S2, so Landry knew not to push the matter, however after giving the Wraith access to the MW & more significantly Earth. Then I feel that she'll be getting a new boss next year. She'll be in control of the day to day operations but the new guy (Caldwell!) will make all military decisions & everything runs through him first for approval.


I don't really think that's gonna happen... But if it does: Wouldn't it be funny if Sheppard (not Caldwell) is the new overall commander? Roles would just be reversed and it'd be interesting to see how Weir'd handle Shep givin her ordes (although, I have to say: Shep has been pretty good with the whole chain of command- thing the last few episodes. He had a different opinion once or twice and didn't even argue when Weir made the decision. Tells me that he finally trusts her all the way.)

However, as I said: That's not going to happen!

About the ep: Great, great, great... After the end of 'Inferno', I actually had a feeling that 'Allies' would be too similar to 'Siege II', but it turned out quite differently...
And even with the chance that people might think I'm stupid: I believed what the Wraith said and I was expecting the trouble more to be like - the enemy Hive figures out they work together and gather all the other Wraith for another war- That they were playing them from the start sure didn't cross my mind too often.. Evil Wraith!! Evil Michael!

I can not wait for July!!!

GateLadyM
January 31st, 2006, 09:49 AM
Yeah....she disappoints me..man! I know this will insight storyline..but damn it..she's been disappointing me for months now...
First, Weir isn't the only one doing this experiment, obviously others agreed with her, or may even have made the recommendation to her in the first place. Sheppard and/or Beckett could have squashed the whole experiment, if they wanted to.

One can't blame Weir for everything wrong in Atlantis, though as the civilian leader, she will have to take responsibility, along with Sheppard, who is the military leader. If both went along with it, they both will have to pay for it equally.

Schrodinger82
January 31st, 2006, 10:01 AM
So what would be the point of the backup then? They'd backup the trojan along with the data and have the same problem. And whats to stop the trojan from executing itself?


Any backup of file infected with a worm will also contain teh worm that deletes the data...so even if he did make a backup it would likely be wiped just like the original data was...

I don't think either of you actually understandstand computers. If I take a copy of the Wrath data and burn it to a DVD-R, how in the world is a worm going to delete it? Especially if that DVD-R is tucked nicely away in some case that's completely disconnected from any computer system? No code on Earth is going to make a program that's been burned on DVD-R delete itself. Not physically possible.

As for stopping the program from executing itself, the program is just code. The situation is roughly equivalent to a human being who reads a recipe in a cookbook. Just because the person reads the recipe, doesn't mean that the person has to follow it. I mean, hell, keep in mind that not all operating systems are the same to begin with. Just because something will run on a Mac, for instance, doesn't mean that it will run on a PC. So they could load it up on a different system, isolate the worm, delete the worm, and load it back up.

vaberella
January 31st, 2006, 10:03 AM
First, Weir isn't the only one doing this experiment, obviously others agreed with her, or may even have made the recommendation to her in the first place. Sheppard and/or Beckett could have squashed the whole experiment, if they wanted to.

One can't blame Weir for everything wrong in Atlantis, though as the civilian leader, she will have to take responsibility, along with Sheppard, who is the military leader. If both went along with it, they both will have to pay for it equally.


I'm not blaming Weir for everythign wrong in Atlantis..I'm blamign WEir for this...Beckett shares in the blame and he knows it, he even said so.

She's the leader of Atlantis.... She says the final decision in the end. We saw what happened in 'Hot Zone' when John went against her, and she said it would never happen again. That means that she has control, even OVER Sheppard. But I will stand by that if this came under council viewing, Sheppard would stand by her and say he was as much to blame. But it has been done where Weir is in command..and she has authority over what goes on in atlantis and she over powers JOhn' command...again look at Michael where Kate says Michale should be allowed to converse with people...John was against..Weir allowed it, even when he said it wasn't a good idea.

As a military man I'm sure that John had said no way in hell are we going to bring Michael here...he's a liability. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

But for the decision is to bring him to base where the Wraith believed it exploded and then to not even think that something might go wrong...is just inexcusable. You can tell that John was against it..and she went over his head.

Weir has done many great things, I won't deny that...I have seen a lot of bad things...but nothing, nothing comes worse to this...Not even when John allowed his team to be injected with Wraith enzyme in 'Lost Boys'. This was beyond the worst..I'm just flabbergasted...it's not only detrimental to her, but her people on Atlantis, and let's not forget the many people on the mainland.

And depending on the amount of intel he was able to wrack up the other neighboring planets that SGA was able to relocate people....I mean come on...this was just a crazy move. That has to be admitted and seen. This wasn't a good idea.

Jeffer
January 31st, 2006, 10:14 AM
that or take a copy to earth becasue as i recall as soon as the hive left it started so they were prob the ones that activated it and if there was a copy on earth it would have been to far away to activate the worm


just like the one in that other ep when there proximity to a Warith ship was small enough it activated

Wraith_Hunter
January 31st, 2006, 10:18 AM
Dont the two Wraith Hiveships now have boosted hyperdrives? as that is what I assumed when they said that only two pieces of info had been taken from the Atlantis system, the mission reports from the Aurora (meaning info on how to boost the hyperdrive) and the locations of Earth and other plants.

If this is correct then even the Daedalus might not be able to catch them in time unless they use the ZPM, but then will they leave Atlantis defenceless?

It said reports, so don't see why they would have hyperdrive upgrades in a report. If they had of saidf something like schematics etc, then it will have been a definite. However without these upgrades, then it will take them years without an intergalactic hyperdrive to even reach the MW. So presumably they do get them somehow, perhaps the Wraith from 'Aurora' had transmitted stuff before Daedalus had even arrived there, that is how they knew to look for the mission reports.

However I assume that it would still take a decent amount of time to do these modifications, which McKay seemed to be personally thanked for. So maybe he fixed something of which he was unaware of it's signifigance. If they look at the long range scanners, then they can always detect Hive ships at least a few weeks before they are ready to arrive. So that easily gives them enough leeway to use the ZPM & have it back intime. Another one, would be to land Daedalus on the pier, then use that itself to power the cloak. It most likely wouldn't be capable of holding the shield for very long, so at least the cloak would hide them from scans & sight.

With the Ori situation in the MW at the beginning of S10, the Jaffa & Earth ships fighting the invading Ori fleet, the Korelev gets destroyed, the Odyssey gets its Hyperdrive damaged etc. I don't see them being able to offer much help. So either the Asgard are sent to help, Atlantis could easily dial the gate to the MW. Send them an urgent message, then get the SGC to request Asgard assistance in containing the matter.

Barring that, only Daedalus or the Orion could do something about it. Being Shep just disappeared, then either he went under the Hive ship like Daedalus was planning to do & hitched a ride or he used the Hyperdrive in the 302 to jump inside the Hive somehow. Then he'll probably eventually locate McKay & Ronon & they'll help stop them from the inside, which probably buys time to catch up with them.

If it were me in charge, I'd sacrifice the Atlantis ZPM, providing no Wraith ships were on approach. Install it in the Orion, get everybody working on fixing the weapons en route. It looks like those lances are energy weapons of sorts, so I can see a single 'Aurora' class warship being able to take out two Hives on it's own. It'll probably be captained by Caldwell & has Zelenka fixing the weapons, while Daedalus stays behind in Pegasus & Hermiod works to crack the jamming code. That way it at least gives him a couple of weeks to do something about it. So if something does come up, then Daedalus can at least take care of them with the beaming tech again, until the Orion gets back.



the answer about the aurora mission reports is that at this point we don't know much about the reports.. they are "reports"... also, we don't know how depleted the ZPM is on the orion.. perhaps the orion is just rusty.. to me, there are many possibilities.. i bet everyone at this point will be thrown off before any spoilers are released....


We don't even know if it has a ZPM installed, I predict that it doesn't. After all the shields were pretty much gone & weapons, engines were all offline at the time. So if it did have one, then it'd pretty much be gone, especially since the shields were penetrated enough to cause severe internal damage. For that to happen then shields are pretty much depleted. So any ZPM would be probably drained by that point. That said, I don't think they were designed to have ZPM's powering them as standard. The weapons sat's didn't even use them, they had their own internal power source etc & so I believe that the ships would be the same. However there shouldn't be any problems installing a ZPM in it at all.

tofuchef
January 31st, 2006, 10:25 AM
you know what.. everyone is at fault.. some of you are blaming weir. when facts are that caldwell and sheppard (both military leaders) gave there ok and is therefore at fault. as for the scientific view, mckay is at fault as well because he let his obsession with wraith technology take the best of him, they basically lured him from taking safety precautions to all the info you can get just like that.. even though she is the leader and made the deals, she gathered and listened to everyone's opinions.. that makes a good leader.. now let me ask some of you guys.. how would you feel if your leader didn't care about your opinions and expertise. its the same thing with the jobs you all have, if employers don't listen to employees, you lose communication, and everyone wouldn't like where they are.

and another thing its not that big of a deal.. ooh 2 wraith hive ships.. that is nothing. we already taken out 6 if i remmeber correctly. and plus i dont think the 2 wraith ships will tell the rest of the hive ships.. for 2 reasons.. 1. they are at civil war because of low human population in pegasus galaxy.. and of course 2. why would they want to share an all you can eat buffet with the other hive ships.

FallenAngelII
January 31st, 2006, 10:27 AM
Has there ever been any indication that Ancient warships (or ships of any kinds) have ZPMs powering them?

shockwave
January 31st, 2006, 11:10 AM
Weir has made two many mistakes this years & I can see a new military commander taking control next season. Weir may have had firends at the beginning of S2, so Landry knew not to push the matter, however after giving the Wraith access to the MW & more significantly Earth. Then I feel that she'll be getting a new boss next year. She'll be in control of the day to day operations but the new guy (Caldwell!) will make all military decisions & everything runs through him first for approval.


weir ain't going anywhere, the only one criticising weir will be some military ******* or Kavanagh. You don't expect us to think beyond the end of the episode do you? TPTB are afraid of changing things a lot, it takes more time to think things through (they don't have time for that)

TJuk
January 31st, 2006, 11:38 AM
While there were undoubtably some wonderful little moments, I kinda found this...well lackluster for want of a better word and disappointing as a season ender.

Its the same sort of 'whatever' feeling I got with 'Lost Boys', infact for the whole season with the exception of Duet which was bloody hilarious and an all round outstanding episode (though more of a stand alone), and 'Critical Mass' which though it was on the lines of a cheesey disasater movie, had some wonderful character building moments. 'Epiphany' though Sheppard-centric (which I am getting sooo very tired of week after week) was also very interesting, And of course, the cracking season opener 'Seige 3'!

I cant think of a single 'arch' episode that really got me going this season. Season 1 had 'The Storm' and 'The Eye', an absolutely fantastic mid-season 2-parter, with an EVIL cliffie only surpassed by the equally outstanding 'Seige 1&2'. Where was the season ending on the 'edge of your seat, stomach churning frustration level of anticipation'??? Allies was more, feet up on the recliner and slightly annoying indegestion. Last year I was chewing furniture from the fever pitch, this year...not so much.

'Allies' just epitimises the generally formulaic, too rushed, or as this episode was, ungainly, usually lathargic and meandering pace for the majority of the season. Any revelations for the arch have been either rushed (Retrovirus) or severely lackluster (did we really learn anything of real significance about the Wraith in Instinct or Conversion?). Its another 'oh please no, not another bloody impossible situation' with no real sense of personal jeapody for our heroes. For McKay and Ronon its just too much like Lost Boys, and has the really overdone, *cue cheesey accent* 'we will excute you in blah days therefore giving you plenty of time to escape whilst creating a false sense of impending doom with a countdown to your *insert evil laugh'* DEATH! *insert da da ddddeeerrr music*. Its something you'd expect from a really bad action movie, they might as well have painted by numbers and had some guy in the wings with a 'happily ever after' sign ready for the next ep.

On the brightside there was definately more of an ensemble feel. It was great to see Dr Z get some screen time, we finally got a title for the Canadian Control dude (Sgt.... Sgt. Chuck the Canuck!!) Beckett thank god had some lovely moments, though thats pretty much all the character has had all season, lots of great little moments here and there but no real episode of his own (so much for becoming a regular huh?). Pretty surprising for a character supposedly 'loved' by the writers, he's had pretty much bugger all too do of real worth or growth? Where was this season's 'Poisoning the Well'?? Without a doubt he's the most emotionally charged character, yet he's always so bloody underused which is frustrating for a fan. We've seen what Paul McGillion is capable of acting wise (especially those who've also seen his indie movie 'See Grace Fly'), where was the episode with real emotional, hand-writhing, tear jerking drama?? This is an action show and we're not likely to see Beckett get in on the action (though how much more interesting would 'The Long Goodbye' been if it had been Carson instead of Sheppard?), so can we please get some REAL bloody drama for him? I miss the character devleopement, bring back the sense of personal jeopardy, personal loss, emotional growth and try to make cliffies have a more personal level and realistic sense to them (or as close as you can get in scifi)???

Personally I think the rest of the season has pretty much been too heavily focused on certain characters (aka Shep and McKay, as much as I love the characters this is supposed to be an ensemble show and I dont think any real character developement has taken place...for any of them for that matter).

I think Season 3 will be the make or break year for SGA, if it finds its grove again like season 1, I'll be a happy girl, if not...well we'll see.

SheffieldSGFan
January 31st, 2006, 12:22 PM
<delurk (because the ep was so awesome)>

As above - this one redeemed the previous few IMHO! Can't wait for summer now!!! :cool:

BTW, was :wraithqueen10: played by the lovely Andee Frizell again?

JUNIOR
January 31st, 2006, 12:26 PM
some people cant wait for the official episode thread to come up:rolleyes:, any1 got spoilers? or an episode summary?


Yeah, what he/she said

FallenAngelII
January 31st, 2006, 12:30 PM
I'm reposting this as I accidentally put it within spoiler-tags before forgetting that they are unnecessary in this part of the forum:

About Michael, he seems quite human still. He spoke to Teyla and was trying to tell her something. And then when the Queen (I assume she was the queen) fed on the humanized Wraith, he looked saddened and slightly sickened and said "I've seen enough" and left abruptly.

He might prove useful in season 3. Maybe he will actually betray the Wraith and help Rodney and Ronon escape and defeat his own people. Maybe he will be like the Tok'ra, infiltrating the Wraith and helping us destroy them. Or he might die in the process of helping us defeat his own Hive.

Wraith_Hunter
January 31st, 2006, 12:37 PM
I don't really think that's gonna happen... But if it does: Wouldn't it be funny if Sheppard (not Caldwell) is the new overall commander? Roles would just be reversed and it'd be interesting to see how Weir'd handle Shep givin her ordes (although, I have to say: Shep has been pretty good with the whole chain of command- thing the last few episodes. He had a different opinion once or twice and didn't even argue when Weir made the decision. Tells me that he finally trusts her all the way.)

However, as I said: That's not going to happen!

I can not wait for July!!!

I wasn't actually meaning it that way, Shep was the military commander, so technically he being in charge of all military decisions. This would make him just as culpable. If they wanted to go for total realism, then Weir & Shep would have their asses dragged back to the MW. However that ain't ginna happen. So the next best thing is to bring in a new military commander to Atlantis. Just to make sure none of this ever happens again in the future. So basically Weir would still be in charge of the day to day runnings of the city, just when a military aspect was involved would it then become a military operation & he assume control of all decision making. Bascially like what Col.Everett did when he arrived in 'The Siege II'. It was a military situation then & so he took command, yet told her that in the day to day runnings she would be the boss.

Just something like that. Weir in command of the day to day running of the city & civillian population. A new military commander taking charge of the the military aspect of Atlantis. Caldwell seems to fit the bill to me & so would be a good choice to replace Shep. He takes up the same role that he had in 'Rising' before Sumner got sucked! He still in charge of the main team etc, just all military decisions have to go through the new boss first, which Shep like all the other soldiers have to take orders from.


Yes, McKay told Ronon "activate the beamer thingo" (not exact words).

Are you sure, I don't think that happened if I remember correctly. Didn't Ronon get hit, then McKay fumbled for his locator, then pressed it but it wouldn't work. So don't think he got a chance to even speak to Ronon before he got stunned.


"Previously on Stargate". He was in that part.

Does that even count as an appearance? Especially since he wasn't in the actual scripted episode itself. I know they got another guy to fill in for him because he wasn't available to reprise the role. So am a bit confused of why they would even credit that when it was a brief glimpse of a past episode.


I don't think either of you actually understandstand computers. If I take a copy of the Wrath data and burn it to a DVD-R, how in the world is a worm going to delete it? Especially if that DVD-R is tucked nicely away in some case that's completely disconnected from any computer system? No code on Earth is going to make a program that's been burned on DVD-R delete itself. Not physically possible.

As for stopping the program from executing itself, the program is just code. The situation is roughly equivalent to a human being who reads a recipe in a cookbook. Just because the person reads the recipe, doesn't mean that the person has to follow it. I mean, hell, keep in mind that not all operating systems are the same to begin with. Just because something will run on a Mac, for instance, doesn't mean that it will run on a PC. So they could load it up on a different system, isolate the worm, delete the worm, and load it back up.

If they copied the data then they copy the worm as well. Once it's on the disc, then it can be wiped if it's on a re-writable disc. So could easily be wiped when inserted on another computer.

However, so say your burn it to DVD-R. Okay then you put it somewhere safe. Now to get this data, it's no use lying in a case somewhere. It needs to be accessed. Therefore it has to be placed in a computer & intergrated through some sort of translation software etc to make it compatible to them. Once this has been done, it can simply infect this program. Which if it were an installer, then you have the option of not clicking on it. However the worm is in the data itself. Therefore if you want to see the info then you need to run the data. Even to isolate the worm, it has to be run on a system. So either way, the system will get re-infected.

However even on a burned disc there is a simple way of destroying the data. Simply make an attempt to erase the disc & it'll destroy the data on it. If you don't believe me, simply take a finalized disc, put it in your drive. Then load up your burning program such as Nero etc. Erase the disc & when it's finished the data that was originally on it will be unuseable itself. So while it may not be physically possible to delete the data on the disc, it is still very easy to deliberately corrupt the disc & so you still get the same effect. Data that is of no use.

The worm & virus weren't designed for any one system, otherwise it would not have been able to corrupt & take over Human & Asgard systems in 'Intruder'. The same goes for Ancient computers. So simply putting it on a Mac wouldn't really do any good either, as the original worm wasn't just designedf for Windows, Linux operation systems etc. So a Mac would just suffer the same fate.

Quite simply they should have as before isolated the lab from the rest of the networked computers, firewalled or not. Then it will not have had access to anything outside that & so no Earth addresses or mission reports. It could concievably affect only what was on the computers in the lab. So even although the Wraith were willing to send everything, it should have been still sent to an isolated computer or part of the lab. Where it didn't have the ability to access outside the chosen system/systems.

This way at least since it was busy poking around, it might not have been designed to destroy if it didn't find anything. That might have been a small oversight that the Wraith might not have thought about. They probably expected it to get what they wanted & might not have prepared for it to get nothing.

With all the mistakes that these people have made in the past year, are we still to believe that they are the smartest people that Earth has to offer.

Isolate a laptop or a few away from all the main systems. Network them only between each other in the lab. Create a 'Sandbox' in the system & run the data in it. Okay it would probably only be a matter of time before it broke through but it couldn't delete anything until then. So it will have given them more time to study everything. Then when it eventually broke out, it still didn't have access to anything outside the network of the lab computers.

Of course going down this route, will have meant the Wraith won't have got anything & so wouldn't be heading to Earth in the S3 premiere.

T'saria
January 31st, 2006, 12:37 PM
I'm reposting this as I accidentally put it within spoiler-tags before forgetting that they are unnecessary in this part of the forum:

About Michael, he seems quite human still. He spoke to Teyla and was trying to tell her something. And then when the Queen (I assume she was the queen) fed on the humanized Wraith, he looked saddened and slightly sickened and said "I've seen enough" and left abruptly.

He might prove useful in season 3. Maybe he will actually betray the Wraith and help Rodney and Ronon escape and defeat his own people. Maybe he will be like the Tok'ra, infiltrating the Wraith and helping us destroy them. Or he might die in the process of helping us defeat his own Hive.

sounds like Michael has some series conflicts to resolve.
haven't seen the episode yet. but I did wonder what
Michael would think of the feeding, etc.

Mio
January 31st, 2006, 01:18 PM
How could the Wraith have gotten intergalactic hyperdrive technology? Is it possible they've had it for a while, but haven't been able to find a use for it? But that doesn't make sense. They seem to have very few people with really good technical knowledge about their ships, modification would seem difficult. Hmm...

Wraith_Hunter
January 31st, 2006, 01:30 PM
you know what.. everyone is at fault.. some of you are blaming weir. when facts are that caldwell and sheppard (both military leaders) gave there ok and is therefore at fault. as for the scientific view, mckay is at fault as well because he let his obsession with wraith technology take the best of him, they basically lured him from taking safety precautions to all the info you can get just like that.. even though she is the leader and made the deals, she gathered and listened to everyone's opinions.. that makes a good leader.. now let me ask some of you guys.. how would you feel if your leader didn't care about your opinions and expertise. its the same thing with the jobs you all have, if employers don't listen to employees, you lose communication, and everyone wouldn't like where they are.

It doesn't matter who agreed to what!

Caldwell is commander of the Daedalus & so doesn't have an official say in the matter.

Weir IS to blame, because she is the leader of the expedition. Sheppard is also equally as responsible because he is the senior military man on Atlantis. Communication isn't the issue, while it's important to listen to the team members opinions & respect them. That doesn't mean because the majority want something then your outvoted. She was chosen as the leader for a reason, even after they tried to get Caldwell in at the beginning of S2, she held out. Shep is the same, he is responsible for all military decisions & some have been piss poor lately.

Basically it all comes down to this, she is the leader & so bears the final responsibility for all decisions. If it goes well then she'll get the plaudits, if it goes belly up, then she'll carry the can herself.

The same goes for real life, say sports. Let's take Football or Soccer, the manger picks the tactics, buys players & does the training, team talks, meetings etc. If things go wrong on the field, who do the chairman & fans look too to take responsibility. Even though the players may be underperforming, it's the manager who is in control & so he gets the sack & some more 'qualified' gets brought in as a replacement to sort out the mess. If Shep or anybody else screws up, it falls on her head. So she along with Shep would be held accountible for what has transpired, as they are the two heads of the expedition, military & civillians respectively. Thus they have the final say of what happens. That's why she is responsible for it all, if she can't control the people who work under her, then she should replace them or let someone else who can come in & do a better job.

We all know nothing will happen though, because she's a main character. If McKay didn't get suspended for the 'Trinity' fiasco & have his ass sent back to the SGC. Then nothing will happen to Weir either.


Has there ever been any indication that Ancient warships (or ships of any kinds) have ZPMs powering them?

None, other than Daedalus in 'The Siege II & III', partly because 'Orion' is the only other working ship that they've come accross since then. However being that they can intergrate it into Asgard & Human tech, and also use Naquadah genny's to power the Sat weapons platform & Atlantis itself. Then there really won't be any doubt that a ZPM could be used to boost an Ancient ship. Being that they didn't even use the ship in this ep, then the fact that it may seem that the Wraith might have the ability to upgrade their drives via the Aurora reports, then they have the advantage, Daedalus probably could catch them, however can't really do anything to take them out any longer. So I can see them using the Atlantis ZPM to boost the Orion's systems to allow it to go after them.

Whether they are powered exclusively by ZPM's then, No I don't think they are. Like the PJ's & weapons sat. I think it'll have it's own power source, however think that it should have some station to insert a ZPM to either be used as a backup or morelikely as a systems booster. It makes the ship much faster, it makes the shields stronger & also energy weapons more powerful (if it has them of course). So being that the ship was seen in the last two eps but not used, then I see it being saved for the S3 premiere where it will be sent to catch up & take them out before they get to the MW.

Even if it doesn't have the ZPM consoles, if they could do it with Daedalus, then intergrating an ancient power source into an ancient ship, shouldn't pose any problems at all. Especially given the fact that Hermy is still there as well, he was probably the one that done it to allow Daedalus to make the trip within 4 days. So integrating it into the ship should be a walk in the park for him.

#1SomeGuy
January 31st, 2006, 01:35 PM
Has there ever been any indication that Ancient warships (or ships of any kinds) have ZPMs powering them?
The Daedalus can use ZPM's to power it's engine and shields. IIRC it cuts the trip from 18 days down to 4 days from earth to atlantis.

Ancient on the other hand, it's speculation. I'd assume they could be...well the city of atlantis is a ship and it is ZPM powered ;)

My thoughts on the episode...sheppard is going to free ronan and mckay and they will try to escape while the orion (which wasn't even in the episode really) will be ready to go kick hive ship butt. You know it's kind of dissapointing watching the daedalus, a battle cruiser, that isn't even able to do damage to a hive ship.

ToasterOnFire
January 31st, 2006, 01:37 PM
Damn. Overall the episode was exciting but I'm upset at how most of the Atlantis team continue to confirm themselves as idiots. It's really dragging down the show for me.


If somebody doesn't get fired by the SGC next season, I'll genuinely be in shock... that is, if I put aside the fact that I know nothing bad or permanent is going to happen to a leading character without kicking him/her off the show because of TBTP's inane love for bottled episodes.
My thoughts exactly. Gads, the Atlantis team has made so many stupid mistakes this season, cumulating in Allies. In all reality heads should roll, starting with Weir, Shep, and Caldwell and working its way down from there. But of course the main characters aren't going to be booted off the show, so undoubtedly we'll see something like the ridiculous slap on the wrist and promotion of Shep in Intruder. I've been asking myself "And these people are leading this exploration?" more and more on this show and it's becoming a severe distraction. Worse, no one on Atlantis seems to call them on their poor decisions and the SGC hasn't said a damn thing. It's just not realistic and I've developed severe apathy toward the characters as a result.

I feel much less tension with this cliffhanger than Siege 2. No, Rodney, Ronon, and Shep are not going to die. No, the wraith are not going to destroy Earth and they're probably not even going to reach it. Yes, the Orion is probably going to fly in and save the day, but get blown up in the process. Hopefully the writers can deviate from this formula to come up with something less predictable.

And the wraith just get more and more ridiculous. Come on, the wraith queen wears HEELS? :rolleyes:

sgafansam
January 31st, 2006, 01:39 PM
cool episode...
we arent the brightest people are we?

AutumnDream
January 31st, 2006, 01:53 PM
Yes, the Orion is probably going to fly in and save the day, but get blown up in the process. Hopefully the writers can deviate from this formula to come up with something less predictable.


Oh, geez. I hadn't even thought of that. Crap. That's really what's going to happen, you know. Just you watch. How irritating.

(I hate being cynical about this show. I used to defend it to the death. =/)

Astrofighter
January 31st, 2006, 01:57 PM
One very importnat thing is that they dont know about the Orion, all they did was get all the info they wanted originally from the Aurora. They knew that would be the best way to go in sneaking some small info out of the database. Also it seems more like they broke into our database and not the main Atlantis one. I assume that we take info from it and put it on our computers and such and then transpose it to English etc. That would be much easier to get into.

Orion will for sure be used to take them out next season. However, looking at SG1's episodes for next season (at least what they have put out so far) i'm not really seeing a crossover. It sounds more like we will chase them to the Milky Way and take care of them ourselves in the Orion.

xfkirsten
January 31st, 2006, 02:10 PM
Loved this one! Great season-ender!

Most of my thoughts have already been covered, but I kinda found this interesting: when they started working with the Wraith, they were really holed in by the "we can tell all the other Wraith about you" thread hanging over their heads. And indeed, that did come back to bite them - they were more or less forced into doing what the Wraith wanted towards the end (fixing the ship, coming up with a better deployment system, etc.). I just thought it coulda been an interesting pathway if the alliance turned on them differently, and they had ended up more like technological slaves to the Wraith plot for universal domination.

GoldenSG-1
January 31st, 2006, 02:20 PM
i have a feeling shep pulled a star wars manuver and latched the F302 onto the under side of the hive and is waiting for the hive to jettison its garbage lol

rhade
January 31st, 2006, 02:30 PM
After finally watching the episode I thought it was too predictable and that DO NOT TRUST THE WRATIH EVER!!! There should be consequences for their actions and until long term consequences are shown or acknowledged the show will not be able to move forward well. I think that while ships getting to Earth or the Milky Way galaxy is a big deal there are a hell of a lot more races with advanced technology than in Pegasus so while knowing where the planets are is helpful not knowing the technological capacity of all the players and where they are is a big question mark. Compared to the Orii the Wraith don't seem as dangerous, they don't kill in the battlefield as much as stun. So the end didn't seem as threatening as season one's final and as such not as good. Not bad it was a good episode and all but last year's was better.

freyr's mother
January 31st, 2006, 02:40 PM
the answer about the aurora mission reports is that at this point we don't know much about the reports.. they are "reports"... also, we don't know how depleted the ZPM is on the orion.. perhaps the orion is just rusty.. to me, there are many possibilities.. i bet everyone at this point will be thrown off before any spoilers are released....


Wait!! The Orion has a ZPM?

syyid
January 31st, 2006, 02:46 PM
With all the mistakes that these people have made in the past year, are we still to believe that they are the smartest people that Earth has to offer.



That summarizes the problem with the show, they act about as smart as grade school dropouts :P

Agree with the consequences, Weir should be fired post haste. Shep and McKay etc should die :P. did you guys notice the expression on Shep's face when Teyla goes if that is the extent of their plan. OK this guy is the head of a military expedition in another galaxy and it apparently didnt even cross his mind that they may not be completely upfront :P

Also Wraith_Hunter I agree with what you're saying, most everything is obviously firmware based which can easily be subverted by a super smart program but even then data and code are separate and they could've had a backup and use the backup ooh it failed, make another backup repeat ad nauseum. No way could it 'activate' itself without anything being done to it (i.e. viewing / execution), simply reading 0's n 1's from disc to disc wouldnt do anything.

rhade
January 31st, 2006, 02:47 PM
What choice did she have? Let them disclose their existance to the rest of the Wraith? And the top minds of Earth didn't notice there was a worm in the info. How is Elizabeth, who's not a computers expert and who didn't analyze the data herself, supposed to notice it?

It is not about choice it is about being prepared for any circumstance. You would think that after the Ghould were able to reprogram the Atlantis OS that they would of been able to protect there systems better than they did in 2.20. If they were going to give the Wraith accessed to a computer they should of at least stripped it of important information and what would be important to the Wraith such as gate addresses and hyperspace engine tech information. She as leader bears ultimate responsibility and she should of been prepared with a backup plan in case things wen't south but so far it looks like they didn't have a backup in case they were doublecrossed, so as such she must be held accountable.

peng
January 31st, 2006, 03:08 PM
This could proove to be an endless discussion. We'll just have to wait and see in ep 2.21 whether or not she will be held responsible. Generally speaking she is the one and only person who is responsible for the entire base and its operations, but if her best scientists tell her the information was clean it would be silly not to use it.

But I was thinking that they could have investigated this information in a closed network with only a few computers that were stripped from any usefull information. That would be my first idea after receiving everything we've ever wanted to know about the Wraith without even having to beg for it.

caty
January 31st, 2006, 03:15 PM
That summarizes the problem with the show, they act about as smart as grade school dropouts :P

Agree with the consequences, Weir should be fired post haste. Shep and McKay etc should die :P. did you guys notice the expression on Shep's face when Teyla goes if that is the extent of their plan. OK this guy is the head of a military expedition in another galaxy and it apparently didnt even cross his mind that they may not be completely upfront :P

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Hey, one question: Why do you watch the show? You seem to hate everybody in it, so what's the point?

caty
January 31st, 2006, 03:17 PM
After watching it again, I have noticed that the Elves have 'invaded' the Pegasus Galaxy... Maybe we'll see Legolas in Season 3....

Or maybe the Wraith are decendants of the Elves turned evil...
I mean, even their clothes looked elfish in this Ep..


----> Hilarious :sheppard28:

ToasterOnFire
January 31st, 2006, 03:19 PM
Two more things:

-It's been known since the pilot ep that the wraith want to get to earth. Shouldn't the team have taken more precautions with the computer data detailing earth's location? It should have been on a separate, non-networked, massively firewalled computer requiring numerous passwords to access at least. Or after Intruder it shouldn't have been on a computer at all.

-After the rumors of a "darker" Weir at the end of the season and the hope of some emotional fallout and screentime from her after Michael, I was disappointed to see that the only mention of it was a passing "Oh, she's now taking sedatives." A wasted opportunity.

freyr's mother
January 31st, 2006, 03:25 PM
Space Battle Pics/screencaps anyone?

xfkirsten
January 31st, 2006, 04:07 PM
-After the rumors of a "darker" Weir at the end of the season and the hope of some emotional fallout and screentime from her after Michael, I was disappointed to see that the only mention of it was a passing "Oh, she's now taking sedatives." A wasted opportunity.

It could also be the start of an opportunity. In regards to that line, there's been a lot of ideas kicked around in the Weir threads, such as the start of a short addiction arc (because it is frighteningly easy to become addicted to sedatives entirely by accident) or the like. I really doubt that's the route that TPTB would go down, but it'd be interesting (and certainly raise a lot of questions).

Quinn Mallory
January 31st, 2006, 04:08 PM
Two more things:

-It's been known since the pilot ep that the wraith want to get to earth. Shouldn't the team have taken more precautions with the computer data detailing earth's location? It should have been on a separate, non-networked, massively firewalled computer requiring numerous passwords to access at least. Or after Intruder it shouldn't have been on a computer at all.

-After the rumors of a "darker" Weir at the end of the season and the hope of some emotional fallout and screentime from her after Michael, I was disappointed to see that the only mention of it was a passing "Oh, she's now taking sedatives." A wasted opportunity.

I think the most important piece of intel that the wraith got wasn't so much where exactly is Earth (which is of course important) but rather the thing from the Aurora which tells them how to construct the better hyperspace drive which can make the trip to Earth plausible.

Eoin
January 31st, 2006, 04:27 PM
What a great ep.....def. the best this season imo :D

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 04:28 PM
2.21? i drew the conclusion there was a ZPM on the orion because the outpost on earth and atlantis had a ZPM for the chair platform.. however, we don't know if the tower had the same capabilities. the fact of the matter, we did get pwned

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 31st, 2006, 04:31 PM
Oof! Good ep. Very dark. I'm surprised that no one brought up the fact that team Atlantis was helping turn the Wraith into cannibals. I'm glad that Teyla and Ronan kept their heads on this one.

Still, talk about being over a barrel - and one of team Atlantis' own making, too. That'll lern 'em to mess with other species' biologies like that.

I was impressed with Michael again, this week, and I'm glad they didn't turn him into a friend. Yes, he may have gotten a whole new perspective about his favorite food, but not the perspective the humans would have hoped for; now the Wraith make their dinner plow the fields and carry the loads before eating them....

Loved the negotiating scene between Weir and the Wraith Queen, although in this one the Queen held all the cards.

Beckett and Zelenka were a joy to watch: respectful, frightful, hesitant... joking! :P

Speaking of joy to watch, how cool was it to see MacKay and Shep adopt the exact same body language when they were explaining the deployment of the gas via the CO2 scrubbers? :D And MacKay and Hermiod cracked me up several times! If MacKay sruvives(what am I saying, of course he will) Hermiod will never let him live it down that his plan failed. :D

I don't quite understand why the Wraith picked up such sensitive info as MW gate addys; didn't MacKay and Zelenka and Mr Canada Geek all say that the Wraith downloads were on secure firewalled comps? Those three, of all people, should know about viruses and should have dl-ed to a clean hard drive. :confused:

But that's my one and only nitpick.

Great to see Calwell again as a voice of reason, yet as one who knows that it's his job to assist.

It's gonna be a long wait for part 2.... :(

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 04:43 PM
i blame mckay for getting carried away.. dude at console said "receiving transmission".. weir said "make sure it's secure".. mckay butted in and said "hey hey hey.. wwwwhere completely firewalled.... let me see that." to me, mckay was very overconfident there.. i blame mckay for taking control of the situation and possibly crossing the, if any, standard operating procedures/protocols by pushing the personal out of the way.

freyr's mother
January 31st, 2006, 04:45 PM
Doesnt anyone have any screencaps of the space battle?

ToasterOnFire
January 31st, 2006, 04:50 PM
It could also be the start of an opportunity. In regards to that line, there's been a lot of ideas kicked around in the Weir threads, such as the start of a short addiction arc (because it is frighteningly easy to become addicted to sedatives entirely by accident) or the like. I really doubt that's the route that TPTB would go down, but it'd be interesting (and certainly raise a lot of questions).
I think that idea may end up in the realm of fanfic rather than canon, though it is interesting. One can only hope that Weir's descent will show more consequences in season three, but because they didn't expand upon it in this season it made her jump to the dark side seem more sudden and even OOC.


I think the most important piece of intel that the wraith got wasn't so much where exactly is Earth (which is of course important) but rather the thing from the Aurora which tells them how to construct the better hyperspace drive which can make the trip to Earth plausibl
Right, that's another piece of info that the team knew that the wraith wanted, and subsequently should also have been placed on that completely independent, protected computer. With all those computer geeks running around Atlantis you would think they would have known better.


Another point - wouldn't one assume that the wraith queen would have gotten a dose of the retrovirus after feeding on the wraith/human/elf (:D) subject? They even showed blood when she pulled her hand away. For that matter, why do these wraith have a more human looking skintone? Could that have anything to do with Michael and the retrovirus?

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 31st, 2006, 04:53 PM
Did the two Hives inform the rest of the Wraith about it,

Really smart Wraith would have informed their friends about the MW galaxy, and their enemies about Atlantis.

Ouroboros
January 31st, 2006, 04:57 PM
It was nice to finally see a few Wraith with brains in the show. I have reservations though because this is part one of two and if there's anything I've learned it's that this series has a history of shooting itself in the face when it comes to wrapping up good starts like this.

Please please please guys don't just cheeseball technowank your way out of this please. I don't want Hemroid to crack the jamming signal and beam everyone home safe putting a nuke in their place instead. Let's make them work for this one and resolve it in some cool way with tricks and so forth like it was set up here. Hell let Mckay and Dex go all diehard inside the hiveship. That could be hilarious with Dex dragging him around.

Setting aside those reservations though this was a great episode, probably the best of the series so far. It was like I said earlier when I wanted a Wraith version of "coup". The show gets so much better and more exciting when the badguys aren't dumb as dog droppings.

I also really liked the scene with Michael and Dex in the hospital room.

For all the people saying how stupid it was to agree to work with the hive what would you have done in the same situation?

They already know Atlantis is there and they've threatened to transmit to every other hiveship in the galaxy about it if you start attacking them.They were backed into a corner. They had to agree to go along with the Wraith proposal even if just to buy time.

Everything initially seemed to make sense and they downloaded all the data the Wraith sent them to secure computers first before spreading it around.

They did everything that you'd expect to play it safe. They only got screwed because finally there was an instance when the Wraith actually managed to outsmart the humans in a technological way. Well fancy that. This should be the status quo, not something that gets complained about when it finally happens after 2 years of us doing it to them.


Space Battle Pics/screencaps anyone?

I'll post some later.:D

Ichigo
January 31st, 2006, 04:59 PM
Really smart Wraith would have informed their friends about the MW galaxy, and their enemies about Atlantis.

No because if there were in a civil war wouldn't you want all the supplys(in this case food or humans) to yourself. You wouldn't want to share with a whole race.

But yes to the telling the wraith about atlantis, They were nice there :)

freyr's mother
January 31st, 2006, 05:06 PM
Although I really would love to see the Asgard warships be asked to help out & it be them that takes the Wraith out. Just to see the Wraith finally get to this galaxy & think it'll be an easy target, then see O'neill class warships jump out of HS. Come on the viewscreen & trash talk them. The Wraith never having seen any real 'Aliens' before think that it's a joke, then Thor gives the command to open fire & they get taken out.


I would love to see Thor trash talk the wraith. What would he say? I wonder what kind of sly remarks hes got or what kind of stuff he learned from oneill. Insult first, kick ass later.


I'll post some later

Must....Have....Screencaps.....

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 31st, 2006, 05:06 PM
i blame mckay for getting carried away.. dude at console said "receiving transmission".. weir said "make sure it's secure".. mckay butted in and said "hey hey hey.. wwwwhere completely firewalled.... let me see that." to me, mckay was very overconfident there.. i blame mckay for taking control of the situation and possibly crossing the, if any, standard operating procedures/protocols by pushing the personal out of the way.

Oh! Yes! Gawd! I wanted to slap him upside the head for that. Stupid! Stupid, stupid, stupid. And rude! Rude, rude rude. Weir and Sheppard have got to take this spoiled brat down a few notches. (Note: I'm not bashing the character, as I feel MacKay was acting very much in character.)

Schrodinger82
January 31st, 2006, 05:08 PM
However, so say your burn it to DVD-R. Okay then you put it somewhere safe. Now to get this data, it's no use lying in a case somewhere. It needs to be accessed. Therefore it has to be placed in a computer & intergrated through some sort of translation software etc to make it compatible to them. Once this has been done, it can simply infect this program.

Uh, no, it can't. It's roughly equivalent to having an instruction manual that says on page 23, "Please burn this manual." Sure, if I follow exactly what the manual tells me, it'll end up destroying itself. But what if I decide not to listen? Or what if I don't even speak the language?


Which if it were an installer, then you have the option of not clicking on it. However the worm is in the data itself. Therefore if you want to see the info then you need to run the data.

No you don't. That's like saying saying that you can't read sheet music without playing it, or that you can't read HTML code without actually displaying the page.

If viewing information = running it, then the Wraith would be able to send in a virus just by sending in a signal via the subspace recievers. Doesn't work, however, because the subspace recievers wouldn't know how to percieve such a signal as anything but raw data.


Even to isolate the worm, it has to be run on a system. So either way, the system will get re-infected.


If that were true, then how the heck does anti-virus work? Answer: Because it has the ability to scan for malicious data, without actually having to run it.


However even on a burned disc there is a simple way of destroying the data. Simply make an attempt to erase the disc & it'll destroy the data on it. If you don't believe me, simply take a finalized disc, put it in your drive. Then load up your burning program such as Nero etc. Erase the disc & when it's finished the data that was originally on it will be unuseable itself. So while it may not be physically possible to delete the data on the disc, it is still very easy to deliberately corrupt the disc & so you still get the same effect. Data that is of no use.

Well first of all, what are the odds that the Wraith have access to DVD burning drivers? I can buy the idea that they can hack into our computers due to the fact that they're networked to ancient technology, but come on now.

Secondly, once you realize that there's a worm, you can put it in a drive without a burner. Problem solved.


The worm & virus weren't designed for any one system, otherwise it would not have been able to corrupt & take over Human & Asgard systems in 'Intruder'. The same goes for Ancient computers. So simply putting it on a Mac wouldn't really do any good either, as the original worm wasn't just designedf for Windows, Linux operation systems etc. So a Mac would just suffer the same fate.

The human systems were designed to interface with Ancient computing. Same goes for the Asgard. In a sense, they're basically attempting to emulate the Ancient OS for the sake of compatibility, and thus would be susceptible to the same viruses.

ItsColdOutside
January 31st, 2006, 05:10 PM
Hey, one question: Why do you watch the show? You seem to hate everybody in it, so what's the point?

That's not very nice. It's not sensible to get so upset because someone else is a fan in a different way than you (sounds like an argument for gay marriage there), but I guess it happens all the time anyway. Let him/her have their opinions, I say.



As for the magic virus, well, it was pretty damn lame. The wraith are apparently programming geniuses who are very well-informed on how our computers work. Actually, I suspect that just the opposite is true of our writing staff, they things they have viruses do is similar in a way to Star Trek's Fun With DNA (apparently your DNA records every memory you have and every creature in your billion-year lineage).

Viruses can't just be written to do things without knowledge of a system, it's not like there's a universal rule that "01110101000101011010010110" always makes any computer output "010010101010110101010101010," which is essentially parallel to the assumption necessary to write a "virus" that will execute itself magically in any computer system.

Obviously, the thing to do would have been to put it all on a hard drive (as it was when it came in), not connect that harddrive to any but one, standalone computer, partition the data and put it on DVD-Rs, (and send those back to earth to be studied on secure computer systems,) and printed out page by page to look at the hard copies. This would have taken care of even a magical Wraith virus, but technical (or character stupidity) issues like this are just what you have to accept in shows like SGA, I guess.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 31st, 2006, 05:17 PM
No because if there were in a civil war wouldn't you want all the supplys(in this case food or humans) to yourself. You wouldn't want to share with a whole race.


But if the civil war is exclusively over the food shortage and MW galaxy has more than enough food to sustain several Hive ships, then it seems to me the better strategy is to go into this new space well-armed.

What is more, the Wraith don't know the extent of the MW human's/other species fighting capabilities. They do know that the Humans now in Atlantis are formidable.

Many Hive ships stand a better chance of the Wraith gaining a foothold, but they will also sustain losses, further cutting back on the final Wraith population.

DelTrax1
January 31st, 2006, 05:20 PM
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I Think Micheal will help them get away and kill the two Hive ships at the same time. This will put them right back where they were.

KRiZ
January 31st, 2006, 05:26 PM
Yep and if the atlantis crew didnt make mistakes ever, it would be a hell of a boring show, this is human fallibility...

OK lets see how allies plays out the "safe" way, wraith come to atlantis with offer, SGA say OK (we're not changing this bit), they send first data, is all separately stored and then the wraith come down, to look around, find out bout the virus...

....la la la all would be the same til the ship specs are beamed down (as these were the ones with worm in)....

Right thats kept completely separate, but still backed up onto all the other PCs, worm activates, cant find data, but still takes out wraith data when activated, Mikes Hive dont get data, realise theyve been discovered and tell all other wraith about atlantis....

.... all wraith come to atlantis, city is destroyed either by us or them, end of show.

yep would be a good way to finish the show...

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 05:29 PM
screen shots.. enjoy.. this is the first encounter.. the second encounter there wasn't much of a fight...

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 05:30 PM
i would call that speculation :-) you guys check out the 220 official thread in episodes section?

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 05:35 PM
and for the second encounter.. i wasn't able to get a clear snapshot at shephard's 302 around the hive ship

freyr's mother
January 31st, 2006, 05:37 PM
thank you soooooooooooo much.!

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 05:41 PM
thank you soooooooooooo much.!
guess i'm good for something

Schrodinger82
January 31st, 2006, 05:50 PM
Yep and if the atlantis crew didnt make mistakes ever, it would be a hell of a boring show, this is human fallibility...

There's a big difference between being fallable and being idiotic.

For instance, Rodney is arrogant, obnoxious, and can't fight. But we accept these as part of his character, and we love him all the more for it, because we can identify with that.

What we can't identify with is when we (the audience) yell at the screen, "No, you idiot, don't do it!" and he does it anyway. Particularly when he's supposed to be one of the most brilliant minds in two galaxies. How can we identify with a character who would sabotage himself for no reason other to move the plot?

Answer: We can't. And that's a problem. If you want to move the plot, you shouldn't do it by making your main characters dumb. You do it by making the villains that much smarter.


OK lets see how allies plays out the "safe" way, wraith come to atlantis with offer, SGA say OK (we're not changing this bit), they send first data, is all separately stored and then the wraith come down, to look around, find out bout the virus...

....la la la all would be the same til the ship specs are beamed down (as these were the ones with worm in)....

Right thats kept completely separate, but still backed up onto all the other PCs, worm activates, cant find data, but still takes out wraith data when activated, Mikes Hive dont get data, realise theyve been discovered and tell all other wraith about atlantis....

.... all wraith come to atlantis, city is destroyed either by us or them, end of show.

yep would be a good way to finish the show...

Sure, if the characters do sit around and do absolutely nothing.

Of course, why would the Hive ship have to resort to that? They still have the upper hand, Atlantis can't do anything to retaliate, and destroying the city still wouldn't solve any of their problems.

And how would the Wraith be discovered? If the worm never managed to find the data, then the hive ship wouldn't have responded by having it erase their databanks, which means that the worm would never have been discovered. Which means that the wraith would have to rely on some other plan in infect the city.

freyr's mother
January 31st, 2006, 05:53 PM
guess im good for something
Are you condescending yourself? Because i really appreciate the pics.

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 05:53 PM
should get that fat guauld scientist geek that ate all that food in the episode beachhead on sg1 to program a wraith network virus :-)

vaberella
January 31st, 2006, 06:08 PM
Wait!! The Orion has a ZPM?

Yeah but I had thought it was pretty much depleted...or something..I could be wrong on this!
VB

Easter Lily
January 31st, 2006, 06:13 PM
Well... I'm not going to denounce the team for their apparent stupidity yet...
Not until I see how Part 2 plays out...
I have feeling that Sheppard has a trick or two up his sleeve.

A Lost Cause
January 31st, 2006, 06:20 PM
I really doubt that the orion is currently running on a ZPM because if it was, then the Aurora would have been using one aswell. If the Aurora was they most likely would have taken the ZPM out of it before they had it blow itself up. I assume that the Orion runs on a power source similar to the power sources on Asgard ships(of which we know essentially nothing). There is really no reason to power a ship with a ZPM even on dedalus its overkill, the only reason they used it on dedalus is because we have nothing better(foolish Asgard ;) wont give them a powersource). Really there is no need for a ZPM on a *relatively* small ship like the Orion(comparing it to Atlantis) seeing as Asgard power sources(which are vastly inferior to ZPM's IMO) can easily do a comparable job. BTW dont you think they would atleast mention the ZPM if it was powered by one?

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 06:20 PM
and i'm sure mckay is going to redeem himself

Peoples_General
January 31st, 2006, 06:24 PM
Source?

My source is this.... http://www.gateworld.net/

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 06:25 PM
could've been cut out of the episode :-x the whole point is that we don't know jack about the orion.. perhaps it just needs to be recharged at the nearest 120v outlet

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 06:26 PM
My source is this.... http://www.gateworld.net/
pwned! who changed the title of this thread? bah!!!! damn tptb.. i liked pwned

vaberella
January 31st, 2006, 06:26 PM
God, "Allies" was ship-city! Massive shipping material for McShep, McDex, McLenka, AmaDex and even some McHerm!

Who's Ama? I'm lost? I have to watch this..you know Mc is my man! VB

acce
January 31st, 2006, 06:37 PM
How I'm I Gonna be abble to wait 6 month to see the next one!!!
It was so good! Damn wraith... Now in the milky way, they might fight with the ori? Why not!!! Great Fight! ^^

SG: Atlantis is so Good!

:mckay: Don't die Rodney! Make us Proud!

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 31st, 2006, 06:53 PM
Damn was an awesome episode, sweet visual effects, and awesome cliff-hanger (better than last years). I give it a ****, but it's not better than Conversion, but it's close.

I smell an Emmy nom for this ep, Visual Effects Category.

AutumnDream
January 31st, 2006, 07:34 PM
I think Inferno's visual effects were way better.

Anyway, I rather doubt we'll see an Ori/Wraith conflict because:

A) They haven't introduced and thoroughly explained what the Ori are in Atlantis, and TPTB wouldn't want to offend the 4% of people who watch Atlantis and not SG-1. We are Stargate fans! We must be spoon fed bite-sized pieces of plot so our feeble little minds can handle it!

B) There are certain logic problems with the arrangement.

It'd be cool to see though. I'm rooting for the Wraith. Imagine if they totally fried an Ori fleet. :D

helio9
January 31st, 2006, 07:46 PM
Some mod probably thought it was a typo, but yeah, they got owned bigtime.

someonerandom
January 31st, 2006, 07:48 PM
some mod pwned the thread starter

Willow'sCat
January 31st, 2006, 07:58 PM
My thoughts exactly. Gads, the Atlantis team has made so many stupid mistakes this season, cumulating in Allies. Well the buck should stop with Weir, but it won't she will again be let off scott free to go forth and agree again to stupid, stupid ideas. She is the weakest link.

I liked the episode, not loved it and I hate cliffhangers. I can't believe even with threats that they can be so stupid, it is the bloody Wraith! Not to mention the ethics. Oh sorry forgot no ethics needed even from Beckett if it is The Wraith being turned into humans. :rolleyes: I found Beckett to be the least convincing in this episode, character development is one thing a complete character overhaul is another, he now has no respect for life and no ethics. (oh the sleepless nights, like hell!)

At least we got to see a 'darker' :S Sheppard, he has issues and well Ronon is nothing but an issue. I loved *again* Telya in this, she is the only moral compass left on the show bless her.

McKay, sorry you are one dumb arse and no the Asgard have everything on you. I want to slap Rodney from here to kingdom come for being so trusting and so out of character with the trusting. David N as Radek, perfect he was just perfect.

The Engineer
January 31st, 2006, 08:49 PM
That was one great episode!!!!

Willow'sCat
January 31st, 2006, 09:03 PM
you know what.. everyone is at fault.. some of you are blaming weir. Weir is the Leader she is the one weighing everything up, she is the one that has to decide whether Sheppard/Caldwell and even McKay are acting in their self interest, that is why she is there.

The buck stops with her, people cannot have it both ways, she is either a great Leader for Atlantis who can handle the decision making including the repercussions of her actions, or she is someone who can not lead because she has to take into account too much of what everyone else has to say.

Sorry you cannot Lead by consensus it doesn't work. The buck stops with her, yes on Earth they may all have to have some disciplinary action taken against them, but she is the Leader she should carry the bulk of the blame just like she would carry the bulk of the praise. ;)

The thread title was changed because it hinted at a spoiler, you cannot have spoilers in titles for threads. :cool:

Callie
January 31st, 2006, 09:11 PM
The first (very) draft version of the transcript is up:

http://www.brundle.free-online.co.uk/220_Allies.html

Any help with the chatter between the F302 pilots would be helpful, cos I couldn't work out one line that Shep said. Also, has anyone translated Zelenka's Czech yet?

Thanks!

BuuZeroC
January 31st, 2006, 09:18 PM
Good episode, ah McKay and hermy lol.

As long as season 3 doesn't start with them arriving at earth and finding alien nazis i'll be happy

Ouroboros
January 31st, 2006, 09:35 PM
Ok here's a whole load of Hi(ish)-Res caps from the episode as promised.

The fly by scene on the Orion. Oooow Ancient tech. Looks more like a beat up frieghter.:D

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ColdBlueLight/Stargate/th_43.jpg (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ColdBlueLight/Stargate/43.jpg)
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Hiveship fly under scene, now we're talking. So they've got holes in them like a giant doghnut, who knew. I guess the plan of action from here on out is clear. They must use Ancient technology to construct a suitably sized Homer Simpson.

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Ouroboros
January 31st, 2006, 09:35 PM
Oh wookit the tiny litte scoutship isn't it cute.

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First battle with the Wraith. I wonder if those Wraith were high fiving the other ones and giggling at the human gullability after they got off the scoutship.

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Ouroboros
January 31st, 2006, 09:36 PM
Some cool pics that show off the size comparison of the Daedalus and a Hiveship as well as a possible interior layout.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ColdBlueLight/Stargate/th_15.jpg (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ColdBlueLight/Stargate/15.jpg)
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Caldwell: What the sh!t!!?!

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Daedalus: Suck railgun death Wraith scum!

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Hiveships: LoL n00b, here have some more blue crap.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ColdBlueLight/Stargate/th_6.jpg (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ColdBlueLight/Stargate/6.jpg)

Caldwell: Launch Vipers... errr, 302s, yeah!

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::Use the Force Shep::

Shep: McKay is that you, stop messing with my radio this is serious.

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::Trust your feelings::

Shep :rolleyes:

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Wraith: See ya at supper losers.

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Ouroboros
January 31st, 2006, 09:37 PM
Unsure of what "menage et trois" translates to in Wraith the Hivequeen just gives McKay and Shep the people's eyebrow instead.

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Genghis Bong
January 31st, 2006, 10:24 PM
With the deddy damaged, they will send the orion after the wraith. but since the weapons dont work i think it will meet the same fate as the O'Neill did in small victories. tptb would never let them keep an advanced ship for too long.

macktheknife
January 31st, 2006, 11:34 PM
Who's Ama? I'm lost? I have to watch this..you know Mc is my man! VB

As noted previously "Ama" is a misspelling of Teyla "Emagen" (I can't spell the last bit of her name though)

Willow'sCat
January 31st, 2006, 11:51 PM
With the deddy damagedWe don't know how damaged it is yet, their shields were working at under 20% but the Wraith jumped into hyper space without taken advantage of that, so it might be minor damage or did I miss something? :cool:

Wyrminarrd
February 1st, 2006, 12:25 AM
Great episode, they really did take me by surprise with having the wraith make contact like that.

However, I never trusted them and would personally have taken the first chance I got to nuke Michaels hive ship.

The second thing I would have done differently is that I would never have allowed Mckay to go on board a wraith ship. The man knows WAY to much about the superior type of hyperdrive and taking the risk of that information falling into wraith hands is just not acceptable under ANY circumstances.

Did they ever explain in the ep how come the wraith all of a sudden are able to reach Earth? I thought it would take them centuries with their current hyperdrives. Is it possible that they thought the location of Earth refered to a place in their own galaxy?

Personally I expect that the hive ship will never reach Earth, Sheppard and the rest of Atlantis will find some way of taking them out before they leave the Pegasus galaxy. If not then it would be really hard to explain why SG-1 wouldn´t be leading the fight from Earths end and saving the day as usual :)

Ouroboros
February 1st, 2006, 12:26 AM
Yeah I'm really struggling to see why the Wraith didn't just finish them off for good there. It certainly wouldn't have taken much more.

Maybe they planted something in the Daedalus computer too somehow?

watcher652
February 1st, 2006, 12:37 AM
This is a late comment for something that was posted way on the page 2 episode summary. TOA had a nice summary of the episode, but I question some of TOA's concluding points.



1) Atlantis and its computer network are somewhat disabled from the wraith wormI've only seen the episode once, but that's not the impression I got. What I understood was that the information sent by the Wraith was destroyed and only 2 pieces of data was stolen. The information about the Aurora and the location of every planet in the Atlantis database.

Can I say how stupid this sounded when I heard Radek say it? Why would they need to have the computers with the Wraith data hooked up with any of the Atlantis systems? The computers should have been isolated from everything else. This is the enemy, for goodness sake! We already know the Wraith are computer saavy, they wrote a virus that infected the Daedalus.

I sure hope part 2 shows us that the Atlantis expedition wasn't this stupid. Why was only Teyla concerned that the Wraith are Wraith? Ronon showed a real lack of suspicion. And Caldwell, why is Mr. Devil's Advocate so accepting of the Wraith? They infected your ship!



2) Orion is not completely fixed and has no functioning weaponsMcKay said they probably couldn't fire the drones when they were waiting for the Hive ship to get to Atlantis. But maybe there are other weapons aboard the ship, we weren't told. Or maybe, while some people were working on the Wraith data, other scientists were still working on the Orion and have managed to get the drone lauchers to work.



5) John is MIA and presumed dead....Again.... (he was caught up in the hyperdrive wake from the wraith hive)I don't know if Caldwell thinks he's dead, just MIA. There was debris mentioned, so I guess it's implied that maybe Caldwell would think Sheppard is dead.



6) 2 hives are currently en-route to Earth - A third hive is likely en-route to AtlantisI didn't get this at all. The Wraith Leader said they knew where Earth was. Presumably, Wraith Leader had a chance to review the stolen planet directory. The Wraith don't have the capability to get to the Milky Way. That's why they also needed the Aurora plans, so they can fit the hive ship with a hyperdrive able to get to Earth.

Peoples_General
February 1st, 2006, 12:50 AM
How badly did the SGA team get OWN3D?

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AutumnDream
February 1st, 2006, 01:51 AM
Except WE didn't have the Aurora plans either. Nobody found out what the hyperdive modifications they were making were. Not the girl wraith, not us. And somehow they magically have souped-up traveling capabilities.

AutumnDream
February 1st, 2006, 01:53 AM
Some cool pics that show off the size comparison of the Daedalus and a Hiveship as well as a possible interior layout.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ColdBlueLight/Stargate/th_15.jpg (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ColdBlueLight/Stargate/15.jpg)
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ColdBlueLight/Stargate/th_14.jpg (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/ColdBlueLight/Stargate/14.jpg)
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Caldwell: What the sh!t!!?!

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Daedalus: Suck railgun death Wraith scum!

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Hiveships: LoL n00b, here have some more blue crap.

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Caldwell: Launch Vipers... errr, 302s, yeah!

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::Use the Force Shep::

Shep: McKay is that you, stop messing with my radio this is serious.

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::Trust your feelings::

Shep :rolleyes:

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Wraith: See ya at supper losers.

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I nominate this for "Best Post Ever" award. Yes, I had to quote the whole thing.

leaper
February 1st, 2006, 02:17 AM
Ronon showed a real lack of suspicion.

I have to take issue with this point. I don't think Ronan was totally without suspicion, afterall, he did have a gun at Michael's head, and had a go at the wraith that dared to put a hand on McKay, I think he went basic...take out a good chunk of wraith, I don't get how, because it's a too technical for me, but if you say it'll work, lets go for it!

someonerandom
February 1st, 2006, 04:22 AM
very.. but of course, there will be an interesting twist.

leaper
February 1st, 2006, 04:29 AM
very.. but of course, there will be an interesting twist.

Yup...in about six months time....

Lord Jago
February 1st, 2006, 05:33 AM
Personally i thought the whole episode was slow and boring and not much of a cliff hanger at all. It was sooooo much like the end of the first season SG1 'WITHIN THE SERPENT'S GRASP' With the impending doom of an attack fleet coming to Earth.

I only hope they come back from a poor episode for the opener of season 3.

FallenAngelII
February 1st, 2006, 06:31 AM
Why are people still stuck on them "trusting" the Wraith? While Rodney was working on fixing the hiveship, he was also sabotaging most of its systems. He said he was going to be able to bypass its systems if needed to.

Also, they were under the constant threat of the Wraith telling the other of their kind about Atlantis' continued existence! So, either help them take out other Wraiths or have the entire Wraith batallion at their doorstep.

"Hello, help us kill the other Goa'ulds, or we shall send all of the Ha'taks in this galaxy on your asses!". Gasp! Quickly! Fire the entire SGC!

Now what they did in "Michael", THAT was stupid.

Seastallion
February 1st, 2006, 06:53 AM
:wraithanime11: ...oooohhhh... CRAP..!!! :ronananime25:

:teyla26: :mckayanime22: :weiranime33: :sheppardanime32:

:beckettanime09: :zelenkaanime07:

Great Episode...! Now I can't wait until summer... :eek:

ste
February 1st, 2006, 09:09 AM
The Hyperspace window the two hives entered was green, from what ive noticed, a blue hyperspace window is normal for the wraith, green is the colour of the daedulus's hyperspace window which means green is the colour for the faster type of hyperdrive, this could be 2 things.

A mess up in the cgi department or the wrairt now have inter-galactic hyperdives

Heaven
February 1st, 2006, 09:09 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

OMG!!!!!

that was one EXCELLENT episode

thank god we still have atlantis now that SG1 turned to crap

counting the days till next summer...

keppiezbt
February 1st, 2006, 11:04 AM
you would at least think they would have sense enough to be like ok...lets use this wraith info on a comp that isnt hooked up the atlantis....duh!!!

the tptb should give viewers more credit than that
stupid plot device

Mattathias2.0
February 1st, 2006, 11:13 AM
They (TPTB) did say that there will be Wraith ships going to the Milky Way. I speculate that the Wraith will be making their appearance in the MW during the episode #4 called "Uninvited". Perhaps TPTB would change the title as its soooo obvious. ;-)

The writers have stated on more the one occation that their episodes play in real time. With this being the case, I find it VERY doubtful the Wraith could managed to get to our galaxy within 6 months or less.

I think the Wraith might appear in a later season episode.

Ofcourse, this is speculation, so I could be wrong.

Mattathias

AutumnDream
February 1st, 2006, 12:53 PM
Actually, I just remembered to say something I've been wondering for a while. Why is it that when Wraith vessels fire, the sound effect is like one of those 8 bit PCI chip noises that you could hear on the old Nintendo in the 80's? I can't take most of the space battle scenes seriously because it sounds like I'm playing bloody Asteroids, not watching a fight for the survival of humanity in the Pegasus Galaxy.

Who decided to put such an extremely silly sound effect in there? Especially considering that there's no sound in space. If you're going to break that rule, at least put some class into it.

binkers
February 1st, 2006, 01:37 PM
I have a feeling that Michael might have an agenda of his own. It sure looked like he never completely turned back to his original wraith form (his skin and face). He also was commenting on how hard it is to control your instincts. I'm not sure if that was a warning about what was about to happen or if being human has really changed him.

So I'm thinking that he will step in at some time and help out at least. Maybe after changing back to a wraith he would rather be human. Maybe he plans on using the gas on his own ship. I was also thinking at one time that the Wraith may have planned on re-engineering the virus to use on humans. I thought it was odd how the wraith just played stupid. Like they had no idea (or atleast didn't give any info on what they were really thinking) when the atlantis team was explaining the virus.

NeoSaber
February 1st, 2006, 01:58 PM
Yeah I'm really struggling to see why the Wraith didn't just finish them off for good there. It certainly wouldn't have taken much more.

I was wondering about that too. Only thing I can think of is that the Wraith were worried the Daedalus would figure out how to beam a nuke through the jamming signal.

They appear to have wanted to destroy the Daedalus as fast as possible, since they fired on it before it had time to raise its shield. It might be possible that the Wraith can detect attempts to breach the jamming signal, and could tell Hermiod was moments away from cracking the code. Even if they couldn't keep track of the attempts, they may have just calculated the shortest possible time it would take someone to counter the jamming signal and left when it got too close to that deadline. They couldn't risk the instant, unstoppable destruction of their hives.

But that's just one lurker's speculation. :cameron:

jburrows
February 1st, 2006, 03:36 PM
Well was a good episode. We learned alot of about wraith ships regrettably most of lost specs however I imagine alot a people saw them and could remeber some stuff about it. We learned how they are blocking transporting nukes and may find a way to get do it again. Also we could potentially make our own transporter blocker for f302s so the wraith can not beam our pilots out our ship(Not sure if wraith can do it but may be able to.), also prevent wraith from beaming people from planets (when wraith are out culling planets) .It could slow down culling a planets if they can not beam them inside the darts.

#1SomeGuy
February 1st, 2006, 04:10 PM
Anyone else find it weird how they could go to two wraith ships in what appeared to be days (even hours?), and yet it takes weeks for any hive to get to atlantis. Hell the ships they went to weren't even on atlantis's scanners...yet they jumped there in no time. Flawed? Daedalus could do it yes, but not michael's hive?

someonerandom
February 1st, 2006, 04:37 PM
wow.. it's only a show ;-)

someonerandom
February 1st, 2006, 04:42 PM
hopefully michael doesn't have gene therapy :-x

DetriusXii
February 1st, 2006, 08:09 PM
Holding out hope that we see a similar plot line in the next season as we did in Coup d'Etat. Instead of misleading intentions of a Coup which actually was being staged, Micheal is actually going to release the Wraith retrovirus. I'm running on the assumption that just because Micheal has an instinctual desire to feed off humans, it isn't necessary for him and he can get past his instincts.

Ouroboros
February 1st, 2006, 08:41 PM
Did anyone else also get the impression here that the Wraith also wanted to get their own detailed look at the Wraith to human drug for the purposes of developing a possible countermeasure to it?

It's obvious now that turning other enemy Wraith into humans was more of a bonus to the plan with Earth as the main objective. Might another bonus also have been engineering a counter to the virus for themselves?

Another thing I'm not quite clear on is just how much of the Hivequeens initial cover story was true. IE is she really one of the weaker factions or was she just saying that to make them trust her. What I'm getting at is, is she beaming Earth's location around to a lot of the Wraith now or just keeping it to herself and her 3 ships.

The fact she was so clever where as other Wraith have been so damned stupid leads me to believe that she's probably not one of the weaker ones. She's not a hive "keeper" (finally learned the point/difference of those) but the fact she had 3 Hiveships to command in her little scam and possibly more in wait doesn't make her forces appear so weak.

Another thing I've been wondering about is the truthfulness of what that male Wraith scientist said about them not being able to always repair their own technology without the help of one of their keepers. Was this actually true or were they just buttering them up for more sympathy and the added joke/insult of making the humans fix the same ship that was later going to be used to attack and betray them.
If that's the case then, I'm laughing, and I'm really liking that Wraith guy, or whichever one of them it was that thought up the "lets make them fix it for us" idea. Was it him that first mentioned it or was it the queen over the radio?

PG15
February 1st, 2006, 08:48 PM
Awesome.

Not as much action as I thought it might have, but then again I was spoiled by The Siege's. For me, being a Volcano freak, Inferno is the best episode of season two, but this one wasn't bad either.

4.5/5

Buzz Lightyear
February 2nd, 2006, 01:17 AM
I think Inferno's visual effects were way better.

Anyway, I rather doubt we'll see an Ori/Wraith conflict because:

A) They haven't introduced and thoroughly explained what the Ori are in Atlantis, and TPTB wouldn't want to offend the 4% of people who watch Atlantis and not SG-1. We are Stargate fans! We must be spoon fed bite-sized pieces of plot so our feeble little minds can handle it!

B) There are certain logic problems with the arrangement.

It'd be cool to see though. I'm rooting for the Wraith. Imagine if they totally fried an Ori fleet. :D

Cross-over plotlines are problematic mostly because SG1 and Atlantis are syndicated internationally but not necessarily both current seasons to the same broadcasters. Case in point, SG1 and Atlantis are seen in Canada on different networks. Plus, S9 of SG1 and S2 of Atlantis are not even aired in the same timeframe.

Buzz Lightyear
February 2nd, 2006, 01:29 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

OMG!!!!!

that was one EXCELLENT episode

thank god we still have atlantis now that SG1 turned to crap

Actually, I disagree. While S2 of SGA has had some good episodes, including this one (despite some well-discussed concerns), on the whole, I would have to rate S9 of SG1 just a bit higher. Unlike last year when S1 of SGA was clearly superior to S8 of SG1.

Dromag67
February 2nd, 2006, 02:41 AM
Yeah I'm really struggling to see why the Wraith didn't just finish them off for good there. It certainly wouldn't have taken much more.

Maybe they planted something in the Daedalus computer too somehow?



Probably because they didn't want to risk losing their hyperdrives? ;)

Dromag67
February 2nd, 2006, 02:45 AM
Great episode four stars!

We didn't see any more of Michael after the first half of the episode, wonder what he is up too. ;)


It would be badass to see the Free Jaffa, Ba'al, Earth, Asgard, and Tok'ra move to defend the galaxy from the Wraith.

Going to be a long hard wait until season 3.

Cynicat
February 2nd, 2006, 04:38 AM
DAMN that was good! :D Great team episode (Zalenka - yay!).

McKay: "Let me see that..." *shoves Chuck*
Chuck: *zoom* *wheee!*

Hive vs hive battle - stunning!
Atlantis at night - gorgeous!
The VFX on this show are astounding - cinema-quality effects work on a weekly TV show are extremely rare, and oh how we love them! :D

I have to say one thing, though - in general, the Asgard are pretty weak as far as an animatronic goes. I mean, Henson was doing better work than that on MOTW aliens in Farscape 6 years ago.. Don't get me wrong, I like the Asgard as characters, but they're weakened by the fact that they look so... plastic, and lack the ability to really emote (not that they're the universe's most expressive of folks, but you know what I mean).


Does anybody else think Sheppard looks darned uncomfortable in the Orion's command chair? Like it's too small and he's afraid he's going to get catapulted across the room?

LMAO - word. The Ancients must've been short in general, as most of their chairs don't seem to be made to accomodate someone of Sheppard's height (the Atlantis Control Chair of No Legroom, anyone?)


I don't get it, either. It's like saying the Atlantis writers are writing episodes for people who aren't fans yet but might someday be. They really underestimate their current fans' ability to follow character development, too, I think. Saying that they have to write episodes in this fashion seems more like an excuse for lazy, predictable writing than anything else. They don't have to. Why don't they shoot for the best possible stories they can tell, instead of settling for simple plots and virtually no character development/growth to keep viewers from supposedly becoming confused?

It's not so much viewer confusion (though that's likely part of it - catering to the lowest common denominator and all that) as syndication that's the issue. The networks like to know that they can play the episodes in any order they like, they hate being constrained by arcs and significant character development.

Swiss
February 2nd, 2006, 04:56 AM
Originally Posted by Heaven


OMG!!!!!

that was one EXCELLENT episode

thank god we still have atlantis now that SG1 turned to crap


Actually, I disagree. While S2 of SGA has had some good episodes, including this one (despite some well-discussed concerns), on the whole, I would have to rate S9 of SG1 just a bit higher. Unlike last year when S1 of SGA was clearly superior to S8 of SG1.

In my opinion S9 of SG-1 was way better than S2 of Atlantis. I'm not a big fan of S2 anyway.
But I have to say that I actually liked allies. One of the rare good episodes of S2.

Grug
February 2nd, 2006, 05:47 AM
The Atlantis IT crew should be shot.

Each of the following is an offence that should at minimum forfeit their jobs:
- Downloading content from an untrusted source
- When Weir instructed them to 'download the file to a non-networked, firewalled computer' they should have informed her that is not really possible to do as you cannot download to a non-networked computer, a firewall on a non-networked computer is redundant as it has no network to protect against and it can't be done anyway without moving the data physically to this non-networked computer... instead the tech pretended to do this and never left his terminal
- Developmental staff were allowed full access to the production systems for playing with this data
- No conversion to safe formats of backups were made of the valuable data at this point
- Later on another file was recieved without requesting it first. Mackay stated that the systems were 'completely firewalled'. If the systems were completely firewalled, then incoming data should only be from secure sources or initiated internally first. Either Mackay is wrong and there was no firewall - or the IT staff configured it so that sources such as the Wraith are 'trusted'
- Before performing any checks on the files, they are executed and browsed from the same terminal they use for gate dialing
- No conversion to safe formats of backups were made of the valuable data at this point
- Next scene, dozens of staff are browsing this data on different terminals. Clearly networked against orders provided earlier
- Developmental staff were again allowed full access to the production systems for playing with this data
- Note that all of this data is being played with in formats that can clearly have executable code in them, rather than plain documentation and/or images
- No conversion to safe formats of backups were made of the valuable data at this point
- The virus was probing only non-sensitive systems which was why it was not detected... this is 'non-sensitive' data including highly confidential and classified mission reports... and the enemies most sought after information, the world databases. Beyond this, the 'non-networked' computers with the virus on them has access to the communications arrays? It could also send without having someone approve the outgoing traffic?
- Next, data is lost in a method that is preventable and has occured repeatedly throughout the stargate program so they should have the benifit of hindsight
- Oops, there are no backups of this lost valuable data to revert to!

I know that some concessions need to be made for the plot to progress, but to a viewer it is blatently obvious that one of the following cases is true. Either there is no IT staff at all, and everyone is just lying to Weir and just providing lip-service to make her feel better when she insists that firewalls exist and that systems should be maintained, or... the IT staff is completely incompetent and Weir (as management) is too for not noticing this.

I just hate watching episodes where they insult the viewers intelligence and think they can get away with lousy plot because of awesome CG.

On a completely unrelated side note, HOW COOL WERE THE SHINY AND EXPLOSIVE SPACE FIGHT SCENES! =D

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 2nd, 2006, 06:04 AM
On a completely unrelated side note, HOW COOL WERE THE SHINY AND EXPLOSIVE SPACE FIGHT SCENES! =D

Yes, they were....

That is, until someone who knows about these things comes on-line and tells us how many rules both of physics and military proceedure the Atlantis team broke.... :P

Arimaril
February 2nd, 2006, 06:19 AM
After watching episode 20 i have one question.
Why do F302's have wings? *looking at the scene when the wraith scout landed on atlantis and the escort just hovers(floats?) about it*

caty
February 2nd, 2006, 07:47 AM
Yes, they were....

That is, until someone who knows about these things comes on-line and tells us how many rules both of physics and military proceedure the Atlantis team broke.... :P
Hilarious response!:sheppard28: Everything doesn't have to be perfectly plausible, this is fiction, after all! I haven't heard anybody complaining that there's no such thing as a gate that sends you to other galaxies or life-sucking aliens with foul breath...;)

On the other hand: I have said that a million times already... Guys, don't freak out about this, it's not worth it.

Grug
February 2nd, 2006, 08:47 AM
Hilarious response!:sheppard28: Everything doesn't have to be perfectly plausible, this is fiction, after all! I haven't heard anybody complaining that there's no such thing as a gate that sends you to other galaxies or life-sucking aliens with foul breath...;)

On the other hand: I have said that a million times already... Guys, don't freak out about this, it's not worth it.

I'll try to hold back on the freaking out. Tounge was firmly in cheek for my last line ;)

Although now that you mention it - you have brought up an excellent point about life-sucking aliens with bad breath. I mean, if they suck life through their hand... and don't actually eat food or other substances... and the standard wraith cells don't break down as human ones do... would there be enough suitable waste matter for the bacteria that cause bad breath to survive on?
Do the wraith use mouthwash? Toothpaste? Deodorant? Toilet paper?

(Sneaks off quietly, wondering if anyone is going to lose sleep over alien hygiene)

FallenAngelII
February 2nd, 2006, 08:55 AM
Yeah, but if we were to adhere to the law of "No sound in space", all sequences with anything in space would be mute except background music. >_>'

sg1_david
February 2nd, 2006, 09:01 AM
The last minutes (from when the Daedalus comes out of hyperspace & starts getting shot at) are the best 7 minutes of Stargate i've ever seen. Most exciting scene from the last season anyway

The music at the end was great as well, reminded me of Enterprise's "Azati Prime" and sounded a lot like something Jerry Goldsmith would have done. I've took out as much of the vocal parts as I can but the sound effects remain - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.nisbet/Allies2.mp3

caty
February 2nd, 2006, 11:27 AM
I'll try to hold back on the freaking out. Tounge was firmly in cheek for my last line ;)

Although now that you mention it - you have brought up an excellent point about life-sucking aliens with bad breath. I mean, if they suck life through their hand... and don't actually eat food or other substances... and the standard wraith cells don't break down as human ones do... would there be enough suitable waste matter for the bacteria that cause bad breath to survive on?
Do the wraith use mouthwash? Toothpaste? Deodorant? Toilet paper?

(Sneaks off quietly, wondering if anyone is going to lose sleep over alien hygiene)

Wow, I can tell. You're about ready to bust!!!:sheppardanime31:
And now that we're at it: We know that at least some Wraith do eat food (watch 'Condemned') and even enjoy it. But we can discuss the rather low possibility of water being on any Hive Ship, so they won't be able to brush their teeth, which would lead directly to -------> bad breath! :wraithanime11:

Still loved the episode and wouldn't have noticed any heavy IT-mistakes anyway.

FallenAngelII
February 2nd, 2006, 11:41 AM
All of this raises the important question: Why do the Wraith have such sharp and long teeth if they don't really eat?

someonerandom
February 2nd, 2006, 11:44 AM
All of this raises the important question: Why do the Wraith have such sharp and long teeth if they don't really eat?

perhaps it's only intended to be a TV show

randy
February 2nd, 2006, 12:11 PM
Viruses can't just be written to do things without knowledge of a system, it's not like there's a universal rule that "01110101000101011010010110" always makes any computer output "010010101010110101010101010," which is essentially parallel to the assumption necessary to write a "virus" that will execute itself magically in any computer system.

Obviously, the thing to do would have been to put it all on a hard drive (as it was when it came in), not connect that harddrive to any but one, standalone computer, partition the data and put it on DVD-Rs, (and send those back to earth to be studied on secure computer systems,) and printed out page by page to look at the hard copies. This would have taken care of even a magical Wraith virus, but technical (or character stupidity) issues like this are just what you have to accept in shows like SGA, I guess.


Some gumption: seeing that the expedition has setup an interface with the Lantean technology - able to translate one code to another - it's not out of the realm of possibility that the wraith are able to execute their worm, seeing their long strife with the Lanteans. With such a long history, the wraith are most likely profecient with lantean tehcnology. Through that, they are able to fastidiously scour the databse of the expedition.

BubblingOverWithIdeas
February 2nd, 2006, 12:34 PM
All of this raises the important question: Why do the Wraith have such sharp and long teeth if they don't really eat?

They eat as children.

Auralis
February 2nd, 2006, 01:00 PM
Now, what could be pretty intereting, if the Atlantis team wouldhave been smart and planted false informaiton about the gatenetwork and earth into the database that was accessible from the wraith infected systems.
But i guess thats to clever.

Schrodinger82
February 2nd, 2006, 01:44 PM
I'll try to hold back on the freaking out. Tounge was firmly in cheek for my last line ;)

Although now that you mention it - you have brought up an excellent point about life-sucking aliens with bad breath. I mean, if they suck life through their hand... and don't actually eat food or other substances... and the standard wraith cells don't break down as human ones do... would there be enough suitable waste matter for the bacteria that cause bad breath to survive on?
Do the wraith use mouthwash? Toothpaste? Deodorant? Toilet paper?

(Sneaks off quietly, wondering if anyone is going to lose sleep over alien hygiene)

Odor is the result of bacteria buildup, and the wrath have enhanced immune systems.

Tok'Ra Hostess
February 2nd, 2006, 04:13 PM
All of this raises the important question: Why do the Wraith have such sharp and long teeth if they don't really eat?

The totally rad answer would be that the Wraith, being insects, use their mouths to help build things, like ship components(think wasps who build paper nests, or bees, who make honeycomb walls that house the whole hive, including specialized chambers for a nursery, food storage, ventilation, etc.

Wouldn't it be terrific to see worker Wraith straddling the walls of a Hive ship, appearing to build up the walls from their mouths?

Sauron18
February 2nd, 2006, 05:47 PM
Well, the wraith do produce some web material to keep their prey in place, as far as we know, there is only one place where it might come out of. Those two holes in their face, next to the mouth. If the web comes out of there then they might use their mouths to cut and so forth.

Metonic
February 2nd, 2006, 08:10 PM
Spoilers for allies


In Allies we see the Wraith Hives not only use the element of suprise but DOUBLE TEAM The Deadalus. Now why would they do that??? Why would they need to 2 Hives to hammer the Daedalus down. I mean, come on.. COME ON. our little tiny ship took a beating from 2 Wraith Hive Ships? Alright, Then send us another.. BAM We own the wraith. We got our Ancient Ship. The Deadalus could hold its on for as long as it could, and its like the discovery of the wheel compared to the Ancient Ship. WE WOULD PWN THEM.
Thats the only explaination for why there was a double team. Perhaps they knew the Deadalus was too strong. or perhaps they heard stories of the mighty promethus...

jburrows
February 2nd, 2006, 08:39 PM
spoilers for allies and all episodes of atlantis.

Well I think on 1 on 1 they have a chance severely damaging the hive ship. From what I remember we never seen and any episodes fighting 1 on 1. However in allies I remember when mckay was on board the hive ship when the fighting starts mckay was wondering what was going because of noise and stuff so might be causing some damage on hive ship. Also since they seem blueprints of hive ships they may believe we might find some weakness. Also by double teaming they got 2 times more fire power power as so shields ands potentially destruction of the deadulus would occur 2 times as faster. Also with 2 hive ships for targets we would have split our firepower so there hives are likely minor only. Also they know are shields are pretty strong.

PG15
February 2nd, 2006, 09:56 PM
They eat as children.

And, like children, they don't brush their teeth.

Ever.

Oh, and sg1_david, that was awesome! Green for you! :D

Hatcheter
February 2nd, 2006, 11:19 PM
Um...they double-teamed the Deadalus because it was a trap?

theqarth
February 2nd, 2006, 11:25 PM
Well in Canada, we've just been able to see the end of of Season 2. All in all a season that seemed slightly less anxious then Season 1. I would say this is due mostly to the fact that Alantis is no longer stranded without contact from Earth. The show had an Alamo last stand feel before and they should try to somehow resurrect that, a small team stranded in the Pegasus Galaxy = fantastic television . That being said, it was still amazing, and the Season end is just what it should have been, easily as intense as as the Siege trilogy, an full of everything we love from the show. Stand out Characters.. McKay, Zelenka, and Ronon (doing everything we love him for).

On a further note I hope Ford returns with a much stronger place next season because he was great, wicked funny, and whats wrong with a 5 person team?

caty
February 3rd, 2006, 02:11 AM
Boy, that is some serious in depth conversation we're having here, guys! :-)

To keep it legal: I really liked Caldwell in the episode. When he was first introduced, I thought he'd do anything to get Shep's position, but now he honestly seems to care. It has been building up in the last episodes, showing that he respects Sheppard. No mean words anymore, they seem to get along and even worry about each other now.

Love it!

Peoples_General
February 3rd, 2006, 02:49 AM
The Wraith likes to use numbers -vs- a strong enemy. Who knows... maybe back when the Alterans were roaming around they probably had 10 Hives and 30 Cruisers -vs- 1 Aurora Class warship.

Enokrad
February 3rd, 2006, 04:49 AM
…..and I am now convinced that Sheppard landed the 302 on one of the hives. Question is, is it the one with McKay & Ronan, or the other hive ship? You have 3 SGA-1 members that are most likely going to save the day. It’s pretty hard to do anything about it from Atlantis. Even with the Orion or the Daedalus, the odds of finding them somewhere in space? They could be anywhere. Another option is the wraith visit a planet to feed and McKay finds a way to contact Atlantis and give them their location? It will take them some time before they can adapt the Ancient hyperdrive technology with their own
Who knows?

When the time comes, Atlantis will PWN them back. Can’t wait.

Steven_the_Atlantean
February 3rd, 2006, 05:30 AM
Um...they double-teamed the Deadalus because it was a trap?
True it was a trap, as we all know the Daedalus is a threat to them because of its advancements such as the shield and also that it would have been waiting for the wraith on the other side that’s if they connected the Zedpm again to gather all the Asgards for a battle, they could of won if they kept on fighting but they can’t afford to take anymore damage because it will affect them travelling to the Milky Way. If you noticed when the first time the two cruisers went into a fight they weren’t attacking so hard just simple but when the Daedalus came to the rescue it started to take heavy attacks, that’s so screw up the dam hive ship took off, HA some alliance that was!

knowles2
February 3rd, 2006, 05:38 AM
I am sorry but pretty sure they have already adapted there hyperdrive. They had mackay came over and repair there ship. It also seem quite possible that he accidently ungraded them. Well something else he can take the blame for, really they need to upgrade, hey make a swape for carter.

AscendedWarrior
February 3rd, 2006, 05:48 AM
No he wouldn't upgrade them. The wraith only needed the location of earth to go their, if they had ancient hyperdrives they could just cruise around until they found it, but they didn't.

GateMan2000
February 3rd, 2006, 08:30 AM
No he wouldn't upgrade them. The wraith only needed the location of earth to go their, if they had ancient hyperdrives they could just cruise around until they found it, but they didn't.


LoL...Did you watch the episode? He thanks Dr. Mckay for the help and they know where Earth is. And chances are they have upgraded their hyperdrives. If they didn't, what would be the point of them going?

SGFerrit
February 3rd, 2006, 09:35 AM
The last minutes (from when the Daedalus comes out of hyperspace & starts getting shot at) are the best 7 minutes of Stargate i've ever seen. Most exciting scene from the last season anyway

Well, I wouldnt quite put it up there with the likes of Lost City P2, The Siege P2 and Reckoning P2 but definately in my top 5! :sheppardanime23:

Smo
February 3rd, 2006, 10:22 AM
I think Allies is the best episode in whole season - it really made me rushing on emotions in a difference to most of other episodes in season 2.
I can't wait till the season 3!

ussrelativity
February 3rd, 2006, 10:28 AM
I think Allies is the best episode in whole season - it really made me rushing on emotions in a difference to most of other episodes in season 2.
I can't wait till the season 3!

I can't wait until I can finish watching Season 1 (and eventually Season 2)


I hate broadcast.

And one more thing...

:bow:

someonerandom
February 3rd, 2006, 10:38 AM
Well, I wouldnt quite put it up there with the likes of Lost City P2, The Siege P2 and Reckoning P2 but definately in my top 5! :sheppardanime23:
woah woah woah hey now.. you listed episodes that were on their last/2nd part.. that's not fair! just you wait for the 3rd season premiere

FallenAngelII
February 3rd, 2006, 11:05 AM
The obvious answer: For once, they're smart.

"OK, let's see. We have allies. We have a planet with billions of "mancows" to feed on. We have strong Earth ship with shields and weapons and the capability of maybe beaming nukes into our ships. What do we do? Of course, we double team it and hope to destroy it quickly."

vaberella
February 3rd, 2006, 11:14 AM
We can pretty much bet that John figured what they were up to...remember that Teyla did them that 'Their Wraith' there's no way to trust them....so he probably had a clue something was up..and I figured he'd be on one of the ships before going into hyperspace..which I love....

I dont' think they upgraded their hyperdrives..but their going to have McKay do that....at first he was just testing things....and seeeing how they work..but I think McKay's role is to be able to have the hive ship sustain it'self as it goes into hyperspace.

What's gonna be really cool is when they McKay has to take that apart..and I'm wondering if Atlantis is gonna get to keep two hive ships for their own military purposes..since we can figure they'll make it out....

As for where John landed debatable you know. I'm thinking Ford is in one of these hive ships...I really hope he is anyway. But anyway....it wouldn't matter....eventually I think he'd find his way to other one and make the day...he can probably take out one the hives if he goes looking an doesn't find McKay and Ronon....kind of have it blow its self up....then he'd fly out to the next one....and see what would happen. But based on TPTB and the need for ease....he might just coincidentally have landed in the right one...based on what he saw of the Daedalus and there are probably differentiating marks for each ship!
VB

FallenAngelII
February 3rd, 2006, 12:19 PM
Everyone keeps missing the fact that Mckay sabotaged the "friendly" Hive.

FallenAngelII
February 3rd, 2006, 12:28 PM
:bow: , your one true god; the Furlings http://www.4hccsprojects.com/rabbit/rabbit%203.jpg

The Engineer
February 3rd, 2006, 12:41 PM
I think Sheppard went on the ship where Mckay and Ronon were.

AngelOfDeath
February 3rd, 2006, 01:40 PM
First post!!! Just a thought. What if the Atlantis team are actually the smart ones here. Maybe Weir and McKay anticipated this betrayal and actually put fake data in the computers sending the Wraiths to a place far, far away from backup. Or maybe Michael informed them of this. I think Michael has other plans for himself.

Also, am I the only one asking about the technology that they should have extracted from the downed Wraith cruiser in the Defiant One?

Angel

Ouroboros
February 3rd, 2006, 02:01 PM
Spoilers for allies


In Allies we see the Wraith Hives not only use the element of suprise but DOUBLE TEAM The Deadalus. Now why would they do that??? Why would they need to 2 Hives to hammer the Daedalus down. I mean, come on.. COME ON. our little tiny ship took a beating from 2 Wraith Hive Ships? Alright, Then send us another.. BAM We own the wraith. We got our Ancient Ship. The Deadalus could hold its on for as long as it could, and its like the discovery of the wheel compared to the Ancient Ship. WE WOULD PWN THEM.
Thats the only explaination for why there was a double team. Perhaps they knew the Deadalus was too strong. or perhaps they heard stories of the mighty promethus...


We would not be pwning the Wraith even if we had a dozen Daedalus class ships. The Daedalus got humiliated again here. It did nothing but float there like a chump getting pasted while shooting back at the hives with its puny little weapons which did a grand total of absolutely nothing. It was down to less than 20% shields in a few minutes to so it didn't even take the pasting very well. The only reason they didn't all die was because the Wraith decided to just leave instead of killing them for some reason.

The Daedalus is not superior to a Hiveship or Wraith cruiser. The only way it's ever even been able to damage one let alone destroy one was by "cheating" with the teleporter beam. If it can't do that it's just a helpless moving target. It's not even a legitimate threat to anything bigger than a Wraith scoutship, which is apparently the Wraith equivalent of a flying minivan so wow, big points there.:D

AngelOfDeath
February 3rd, 2006, 03:12 PM
We would not be pwning the Wraith even if we had a dozen Daedalus class ships. The Daedalus got humiliated again here. It did nothing but float there like a chump getting pasted while shooting back at the hives with its puny little weapons which did a grand total of absolutely nothing. It was down to less than 20% shields in a few minutes to so it didn't even take the pasting very well. The only reason they didn't all die was because the Wraith decided to just leave instead of killing them for some reason.

The Daedalus is not superior to a Hiveship or Wraith cruiser. The only way it's ever even been able to damage one let alone destroy one was by "cheating" with the teleporter beam. If it can't do that it's just a helpless moving target. It's not even a legitimate threat to anything bigger than a Wraith scoutship, which is apparently the Wraith equivalent of a flying minivan so wow, big points there.:D

I think the Wraith wanted the Daedalus to be far away from atlantis when SGA finally discovers the Worm. They probably thought that it would buy them some time away from the pesky humans. I also think that the two hive ships are led by queens who are best of friends. ;) Seriously, because of the civil war, I think these Wraiths wanted Earth all for themselves but needed at least 2 hives to conquer any resistance.

Schrodinger82
February 3rd, 2006, 06:23 PM
First post!!! Just a thought. What if the Atlantis team are actually the smart ones here. Maybe Weir and McKay anticipated this betrayal and actually put fake data in the computers sending the Wraiths to a place far, far away from backup. Or maybe Michael informed them of this. I think Michael has other plans for himself.

If that were true, than the end sequence wouldn't have taken anyone on Atlantis by surprise, and Weir, Beckett, and Zelenka wouldn't have reacted the way that they did.


Also, am I the only one asking about the technology that they should have extracted from the downed Wraith cruiser in the Defiant One?

I doubt that a cruiser carries much key information.