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January 2nd, 2006, 07:03 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 219</FONT>
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Sheppard's team meets a civilization about to be destroyed by a super-volcano, and is trapped there when the Stargate is destroyed during the evacuation.

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Willow'sCat
January 24th, 2006, 12:15 AM
:( Did everyone in Canada go to bed? I want spoilers. Please...anyone? :)

Zamboni
January 24th, 2006, 12:56 AM
Woohoo!!! Second post!!!

Summary below:

Sheppard and team find an Ancient warship in an Ancient base built inside an Ancient super volcano on some Ancient planet (yes... they're all ancient). McKay discovers that the local hot blonde has upset the geothermic pressure by running the base shield continuously and the entire continent will soon erupt. Weir convinces their leader to evacuate, but his eruption, err I mean a volcanic eruption engulfs the stargate trapping many on the planet.

The Deadalus arrives to take the survivors, but cannot evacuate all the settlers in a single trip because they don't have enough toilets. McKay and company now race against time to fix the newly branded "Orion" in order to escape certain death.

Back in Atlantis, Zelenka made the discovery that an icon in the shape of a Wraith hive ship has appeared on the computer screen. He then realizes that it is a Wraith hive ship and it is on its way and will reach Atlantis within three weeks, just before his ebay biddings arrive.

As molten rock starts to flow McKay realizes it's not possible to fix the engine in time so he enables the shield and engages hyper drive allowing Orion (with the settlers inside) to jump to the planet's orbit with only seconds to spare.

Sheppard meanwhile, is busy screwing yet another "hot" (quoting Weir) Pegasus chick. As for Ronan and Teyla, they were sweating and panting until the Deadalus beamed them up.

Franklyn Blaze
January 24th, 2006, 01:07 AM
SCORE!!!
They got a an ancient ship intact (needs engine work but not a lemon) and it wasn't destroyed!!!!
And plus the people on the planet with the volcano that blows up aren't evil backstabbers. They let us use the ship in return for saving them. The new ship is called the Orion (guess who names it) and there is one hive ship headed for atlantis currently.

This ep totally makes up for Aurora IMHO. It has good chemistry and is a boon for season two. Now on to The Siege part 4! err I mean Allies, yah!

Wraith_Hunter
January 24th, 2006, 01:13 AM
There are a few more posts regarding the ep in the season 2 folder.

Just finished watching it.

Very good episode. This is what Atlantis is all about, In my opinion ranks alongside 'The Siege III' as the best so far in season 2.

I didn't like the overall look of the Ancient ship though, Daedalus class & Asgard ships are far nicer looking on the eye.

Though at the end when the ship is launched into space, it looks like it has two energy cannons on the side that you can see. So since both sides look equal to each other. I'm assuming that it has two big space guns on each side. They have also said it has an armoury full of Drones. The shields are temporarily drained, having been used to ride the volcano to help blast it off the ground. However it'll simply be a matter of recharging those. The sublight engines are currently down, however McKay is taking a repair team to get them fixed. He just didn't have enough time in the episode to do it. Other than that, so far it seems in pretty good shape. A lot better than was told in the other 'Inferno' thread.

They also detected a single Hive ship on approach half way through the episode. They have estimated it to be at least 3 weeks away. So that should be plenty of time to get the 'Orion' fixed up like new. It took Daedalus 12 hours trip from Tarranis to Atlantis & back. So assuming McKay gets the engines patched up. Then it should be able to make it back before or shortly after the Hive ships have reached Atlantis. My bet is it'll be used to help take them out in the S3 opener.

Right at the end, Weir says that they have been allowed to use the ship in return for helping their peple by the chancellor. So it doesn't seem that it's actually been given to them, just a loner for the time being.

Hopefully it does have them big honkin space guns!

Buzz Lightyear
January 24th, 2006, 01:30 AM
Here's a summary:

Atlantis expedition has responded to overtures from a planet called Taranis which possesses Ancient shield technology. However, the shield has been malfunctioning and the Taranians have requested help to repair it because their understanding of Ancient tech is very limited. The shield is powered, not by a ZPM, but by the planet's plentiful geothermal energy.

While McKay starts analyzing the shield generator at the Ancient base with the beautiful Taranian scientist Norina, the rest of the team are given a tour of the facility by the Chancellor of Taranis. McKay postulates the base was built during the height of war (with the Wraith, no doubt).

The Chancellor guides Sheppard, Teyla and Ronon deep underground into the base where he shows them an Ancient spaceship. Along the way, they experience some strong earthquake-like tremors.

Sheppard reports to Weir that it is an Aurora-class warship but it's damaged, likely from battle with the Wraith. The Taranians have been examining it for years but can only turn some things on and off; they have insufficient expertise to fix any malfunction. Weir returns to Taranis with Sheppard to start a diplomatic dialogue with the Chancellor.

McKay discovers the Taranians have been running the shield continuously for over a year. Norina states they increased the shield strength when long range sensors detected increased Wraith activity. They had to over-ride alarms in order to do that. It was around this time that the tremors started increasing in frequency. McKay then realizes the shield generator facility was built on top of the caldera of a dormant super-volcano. However, it's no longer dormant due to the generator drawing so much more power than intended, for so long. McKay informs the Taranians that the volcano is building up to a catastrophic eruption that will destroy half of the continent and the resulting dust cloud will cover the entire planet, killing every living thing on the surface.

McKay advises the Chancellor to evacuate everyone from the planet and Weir offers the Taranians sanctuary at Atlantis. The Chancellor reluctantly agrees though he is suspicious that Weir et al conveniently come up with this plan when they find out there is an Ancient warship on the base. Weir and the Chancellor lead the first group of Taranians through the stargate to Atlantis but a fissure opening near the gate disrupts further gate use. Soon after, the Taranian gate sinks into a pool of molten lava, stranding all the remaining inhabitants and Sheppard's team.

On its way back from Earth, the Daedalus is diverted to Taranis where it begins to pick up people to shuttle to Atlantis. Unfortunately, finite life support resources on the Daedalus only permit it to transport one-quarter of the refugees at a time, with each trip taking 12 hours. As the first group is being taken back to Atlantis, Sheppard decides a plan B is needed, namely, having McKay get the Ancient ship operational to transport the remaining people, should there not be enough time for the Daedalus to make all four trips. His instincts are correct as the volcano becomes increasingly unstable with progressively more violent eruptions.

McKay races against time and comes up with a crazy plan to use the volcano's explosion under the Ancient ship to propel it upwards from the base. The ship's shields can protect it briefly from incineration - just enough time to engage the hyperspace drive for a short jump into orbit over the planet.

The plan is a success and now Atlantis has an Ancient warship at its disposal.

Meanwhile, back in Atlantis, long range sensors detect a lone Wraith hiveship...

slammed
January 24th, 2006, 01:54 AM
woooo for the orion.... the fact that atlantis has an ancient war ship.. hopefully fully operational by the next episode is... well the greatest thing that has happened this entire season :sheppardanime23:

Willow'sCat
January 24th, 2006, 02:56 AM
Thank you, thank you and Oooh a Ship of our very own. :) OK I'm slow who got to name it? :cool:

Jarnin
January 24th, 2006, 03:10 AM
McKay discovers the Taranians have been running the shield continuously for over a year. Norina states they increased the shield strength when long range sensors detected increased Wraith activity. They had to over-ride alarms in order to do that. It was around this time that the tremors started increasing in frequency. McKay then realizes the shield generator facility was built on top of the caldera of a dormant super-volcano. However, it's no longer dormant due to the generator drawing so much more power than intended, for so long.
Once again, the writers get the science completely backwards. If they're drawing their power from geothermal energy, they'd be removing energy from the planet, not adding to it.

Oh, but wait! A shiney ancient ship! Oooo, look at the ship...

Buzz Lightyear
January 24th, 2006, 03:23 AM
Once again, the writers get the science completely backwards. If they're drawing their power from geothermal energy, they'd be removing energy from the planet, not adding to it.

Oh, but wait! A shiney ancient ship! Oooo, look at the ship...

I think the amount of power the shield generator is drawing from the planet is a drop in the bucket, so to speak - and irrelevant. However, the process of doing so is de-stabilizing the previously dormant super-volcano.

ItsColdOutside
January 24th, 2006, 03:27 AM
Shep got to name it.

Well, it seems backwards, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on the volcano thing.

However, they should have taken everyone to the other side of the planet (where the danger is less immediate) before they made their four trips. Then there would have been plenty of time to save everyone, and only the ship would have been in jeopardy.

Pretty good episode, though, fun explosions and the like, and the ship offers some good potential. And perhaps they'll come up with a new plan for what to do about the hive ship, rather than just a firefight.

randy
January 24th, 2006, 03:44 AM
Once again, the writers get the science completely backwards. If they're drawing their power from geothermal energy, they'd be removing energy from the planet, not adding to it.

Oh, but wait! A shiney ancient ship! Oooo, look at the ship...

The withdrawl of the ancient shield was most likely miniscule compared to the total geothermal energy of the planet. The aformentioned synopsis was probably referring to the instability the shield caused due to the ever increasing energy consumption.

Jarnin
January 24th, 2006, 03:54 AM
I think the amount of power the shield generator is drawing from the planet is a drop in the bucket, so to speak - and irrelevant. However, the process of doing so is de-stabilizing the previously dormant super-volcano.
We're talking thermodynamics here folks, you can't add energy to something you're extracting energy from.

If the volcano was dormant, it would continue to be dormant unless the planet became unstable, which would have nothing to do with the shield extracting energy from a dormant volcano.

It's a plot device, and a pretty shady one. You can explain it with as much technobabble as you want, it doesn't negate the fact that the writers got the science wrong again.

randy
January 24th, 2006, 03:58 AM
We're talking thermodynamics here folks, you can't add energy to something you're extracting energy from.

If the volcano was dormant, it would continue to be dormant unless the planet became unstable, which would have nothing to do with the shield extracting energy from a dormant volcano.

It's a plot device, and a pretty shady one. You can explain it with as much technobabble as you want, it doesn't negate the fact that the writers got the science wrong again.

When did they add energy?

SmallTimePerson
January 24th, 2006, 04:19 AM
wow, we got to keep it? great

now bring on the hive!

shockwave
January 24th, 2006, 04:28 AM
wasn't that good
the sfx were the best part of it

glad that Orion isn't yet another Daedalus class ship, but a Aurora class ship.

Lexa Jayde
January 24th, 2006, 04:34 AM
thank you everyone for the spoilers!!!!!

Azrial
January 24th, 2006, 04:49 AM
I quite enjoyed this ep...first stargate episode for a while to have real tension and place characters in real risk.

macktheknife
January 24th, 2006, 04:51 AM
I think Katie Brown is going to pissed once she finds out about "Hot blond that ruined the entire planet" whom rodney is apparently going on a date with.

I thought it was heading for "To Be Continued" then rodney came through with the "fix" that was pretty cool.

Nice ep, changing the "danger" from teyla\ronon (another teyla\ronon "moment") then the group as a whole.

Agent_Dark
January 24th, 2006, 05:24 AM
lol, McKay's solution to the problem (riding the ship out on the blast from the volcano and doing a short hyperspace hop) was pretty random and kinda dodgy :D
There were a few pacing issues. The bead with Sheppard trying to lead the villagers back to the Orion was unnessacary. I would have dropped that for some more jeopardy of Teyla and Ronan.

I did like the fact we got to see Weir flex her diplomatic muscles. However, I would kill for a real diplomatic negotiation that she participates in (by real, I mean actually showing the whole 'song and dance' routine that is a part of all diplomatic negotiations).

The anti-kirkers might have a few problems with this episode - it seemed to me that Shep and Rodney were trying to compete with each other to see who would get to score with the chick. Also, I was kind of dissapointed at the lack of purposful involvement for the chick (her name alludes me atm...). Alot of the time she was just standing there while Sheppard and McKay tried to outdo each other.

But overall it was a generally enjoyable episode. The Orion looks pretty cool, and we'll probably be seeing it in action next week.

Beal
January 24th, 2006, 05:39 AM
Once again, the writers get the science completely backwards. If they're drawing their power from geothermal energy, they'd be removing energy from the planet, not adding to it.

Oh, but wait! A shiney ancient ship! Oooo, look at the ship...


Maybe the Ancients took a low-tech approach and made it steam operated, but when blondey disabled the failsafes then large and constant amounts of water were dumped into it creating more steam and pressure than could be releived by the pressure valves?

Rawdemin
January 24th, 2006, 06:12 AM
http://www.rawdemin.demon.nl/worthless.gif

Sorry for (sort of) hijacking the thread, but anyone got screencaps of the ship ? :cameron:

GateMan2000
January 24th, 2006, 06:28 AM
So this is the new ship that will be going from Pegasus to the MW?

AlphaOmega232
January 24th, 2006, 06:55 AM
i don't know but i wanna see it!!! :(

Arlessiar
January 24th, 2006, 07:01 AM
Here's a pic of the ship in the hangar.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a236/Arlessiar/Orion.jpg

And one of it in space.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a236/Arlessiar/Orion1.jpg


Bye, A.

caty
January 24th, 2006, 07:06 AM
Wow... Loved this ep! Absolutely did!
I was sitting there, eyes glued on the screen and they even had me at the point that I seriously would have thought this was going to end bad, IF I could stay away from spoilers and didn't know better already...
There was Teyla and Ronon almost suffocating with no way to go..
There was Sheppard trapped in the city with nowhere to go...
There was MyKay and the others aboard the ship, ready to leave, but trapped by steaming lava...

Of course, the Deadalus saved half the day and McKay got to save the other half again. But he was really adorable, being completely aware that Shep was playing him, but falling for it anyway...

Great lead-in to the finale... Although if I think about the next 6 months WITHOUT Atlantis, it makes me wanna cry...
Anyway, I'm glad I'm back to that... :D

GateLadyM
January 24th, 2006, 07:22 AM
Sheppard meanwhile, is busy screwing yet another "hot" (quoting Weir) Pegasus chick.
At least this chick looked like she was out of high school. :p I thought the girl liked McKay, but I guess that made Sheppard jealous. :rolleyes: But Sheppard "checking out", kissing, or hugging, every young gal he meets is really OLD and it took away from what was a pretty good episode. I would really like to see a Shep-lite episode that concentrated on the scientists, who I find much more interesting.

Will be interesting to see what our heroes can do with the Orion.

Jelmer
January 24th, 2006, 07:24 AM
Solid episode, indeed one of the best of season 2 so far.

A pity I already read some spoilers about next weeks episode since I really liked how they foreshadowed some elements of it. That there's just 1 ship comming instead of a whole fleet, meaning that "Michael"'s hyve kept the information to themselves.

And to those complaining about Sheppard going after the pretty woman again, apart from that one could hardly blame him in this case ;), it felt more like a writer's joke when she fell into Sheppard's arms and McKay rolling his eyes at it.

GateMan2000
January 24th, 2006, 07:58 AM
I am pumped to see if they actually get to keep this ship around for a while. Regarding Season 3 spoilers: I think one of the main reasons the Asgard will be coming to Atlantis more is because the Tauri may have a ship more advanced than theirs.

Jeffer
January 24th, 2006, 08:18 AM
good ep well great ep and I just wanted to say that no we are not in the same place we were last season if you read the caption for the ep we are at a very diff spot but anyways I had to stay up till 3am to watch this and before this ep came on I was watching "Event Horizons” and the bow of the Orion looked ALOT like the bow of the Event Horizons

rexpop
January 24th, 2006, 08:55 AM
A good solid episode, probably one of this seasons best. Some nice character moments as well for four of the leads (Wier is somewhat left out in the cold).

The Rodney and Shep moments were quite fun. It would have helped if the blonde actress (Brandy Ledford) was a little more involved in her scenes as it would have made the interactions between the three a little more interesting.

So its on to 'Allies' which if the current form continues should end the season on a fairly solid footing.

Ichigo
January 24th, 2006, 09:47 AM
I love the bit when Mckay, and Shepperd were fighting over the ships name. And Shepperd says 'No, we're not calling it the Enterprise". And i just watched the ep. where Jack and Sam were arguing about the name of Prometheus.

The original name Sucked. I would hate to have that name,(i forget it) even if you got your name on a ship.

tofuchef
January 24th, 2006, 10:18 AM
the name was hippocramus or something like that.. all i know is it started with hippo or hypo.. haha.. but this episode was by far the best.. i loved the tension between one another and the race against time.. something we have not seen in a long time... and how well sheppard know's mckay that when he's under heavy pressure he works better.. can't wait till we see the ship in action. definitely love every min of the episode.. and i watched it during school on my laptop :) .. i'd give this episode 5/5 no doubt

Angel10
January 24th, 2006, 10:30 AM
I am pumped to see if they actually get to keep this ship around for a while. Regarding Season 3 spoilers: I think one of the main reasons the Asgard will be coming to Atlantis more is because the Tauri may have a ship more advanced than theirs.

I'm not sure about that. We know from Aurora that the hyperdrive is not as powerful as the asgard one : of course the Orion has shields and obviously weapons but asgard's ships have that too.

illuminarok
January 24th, 2006, 10:35 AM
Yeah, I get the feeling they'll have the Orion a total of about 4 episodes before they get it blown up.

GateMan2000
January 24th, 2006, 10:39 AM
I'm not sure about that. We know from Aurora that the hyperdrive is not as powerful as the asgard one : of course the Orion has shields and obviously weapons but asgard's ships have that too.

The Goa'uld have all that yet the Asgard ships are superior. The same relation maybe there. The ancients did have hyperdrives that were as good if not better than the Asgard. They just didn't install them on most ships (ep "Aurora").

Angel10
January 24th, 2006, 10:48 AM
The Goa'uld have all that yet the Asgard ships are superior. The same relation maybe there. The ancients did have hyperdrives that were as good if not better than the Asgard. They just didn't install them on most ships (ep "Aurora").

Can't wait to see what the Orion is able to do :cameron:

Buzz Lightyear
January 24th, 2006, 11:18 AM
We're talking thermodynamics here folks, you can't add energy to something you're extracting energy from.

If the volcano was dormant, it would continue to be dormant unless the planet became unstable, which would have nothing to do with the shield extracting energy from a dormant volcano.

It's a plot device, and a pretty shady one. You can explain it with as much technobabble as you want, it doesn't negate the fact that the writers got the science wrong again.

And you're an expert on the science behind Ancient shield technology? Otherwise how would you know that the shield generator drawing energy from the volcano couldn't cause it to become unstable? :mckayanime22:

Merlin7
January 24th, 2006, 11:30 AM
I loved this ep. It had everything I crave in my SGA eps. Team moments. Everyone with something to do. MCShep. Which was brilliant. I loved them competing for the blond. I loved the blond. I wish she would stick around. She can hang out with Rodney and learn from him, then be involved with Shep which would kill the kirking people complain about and end the shipping wars. Which would make me ecstatic.

The MCShep competing about her felt like the scenes we were supposed to get in CRITICAL MASS but were dumped with they decided to write Cadman in again.

What worked for me is that both guys liked her and she liked both guys for different reasons. She liked McKays's smarts and she and Shep kept trading HOT looks. Yet nobody got lost in that. Everyone was focused on surviving the eruption.

I loved how MCShep know each other. John knew how to get Rodney pumped up to do what he does best and that Rodney knew it but fell for it anyway. That's the fun stuff.

I loved Teyla and Ronon working to save the people and clinging to hope.

I loved Beckett being a brave soldier.

Sheppard trying to get the people to the Ship.

Caldwell and Weir had their moments and they all made sense.

I liked Hermiod being the one to say "Give it up and lets go home" And Caldwell saying that it wasn't an option.

I loved Caldwell voicing WHY I love Shep so much, when he told Weir that Shep, once again, instead of saving who he could felt the need to try and save everyone.

I loved the NAMING of the ship.

I loved Rodney's Nail issue and the chick rolling her eyes. Shep rolling his eyes at Rodney at one point. Rodney rolling his eyes at Shep. Funny and well done moments.

I loved Shep popping up and just ready for action when they felt he had been lost.

I loved the intensity/danger. I was scared for them, even though I knew they'd survive. I have missed feeling that way soooo much. This was an EDGE OF MY SEAT ep to watch and I loved it. ::hugs ep::

I loved the snark with Weir about Rodney and the chick, then Shep being a typical guy, NOT noticing the chancellor cause..he's a guy. LOL

Just...everything, including the special effects, were just fabulous.

And it had Zelenka. Squeeeee.

And on a shallow note. SHEP was HOTTER than a pistol. Oh..and he and the blond looked gorgeous together. Yeah.

Vicky
January 24th, 2006, 11:48 AM
Because I'm a lazy person, I'll just copy-paste what I've already posted elsewhere:

Well, this ep was great in my opinion.

This ep was pretty intense with this volcano ready to explode.

Liz got to go off-world yeah!! And in the end she wore that nice outfit from Coup d'Etat!! She was sooo cute when she made that face at the beginning when saying Rodney was smitten! And she seemed calm when Zelenka told her that a Hive ship was approaching.

John "Kirk" Sheppard was still there though... gah! I love how he speak to Rodney to flatter his ego! And I knew someone was going to bring out the Enterprise when Rodney said he found out the sip name! Finally, he chose the name, Orion, right?

Rodney was fantastic in this ep! He's so attracted to this woman (sorry didn't catch her name). ROFL at his face when his crazy plan worked and also when Carson said he was clever!

I love Teyla more and more, she had a great part in this ep even if it wasn't as important as the one she had in Michael.

And of course we had Ronon, Carson and Caldwell! Love them what can I say (yes even Caldwell!)

To sum up we got a great story, Sparky, even Spanky.

Just one flaw:

Mr TPTBs, please could you stop all this Kirking 'cos we're sick of it! Thank you.

dark_faith
January 24th, 2006, 12:00 PM
wow looks like I'm the first one who didn't like it....

First it confirms my general idea about season 2 ... they have good ideas, but don't know how to deal with them.

I'm sorry but the writing for this ep was bad, the dialogue were poor...
Teyla and Ronon were ... uh, useless in the first part of the ep, they're here but have no lines.
The blond chick... Well she must have gone to the wrong set, she was probably supposed to go to THE OC. She looked like everything but a scientist, she keeps following Mckay everywhere, she does nothing, says nothing, helps no one ... OH NO WAIT! At least Sheppard has something to look at! the Sheppard and the blond thing was PAINFULLY RIDICULOUS!!

The episode could have been really good, I like this moment between TEyla and Ronon but here again, it's really short and instead of saying " you were right" " no you were" " no no, you were" ... well they could have found something deeper to develop a bit their interaction.

The whole Mckay plan was uh ... cool but SERIOUSLY??? a bit too much... I loved David's acting though. Was pretty funny.

Well here again, we get to save the world, everybody is safe ( except the group who left of course, but we needed them to give some lines to Ronon and Teyla)... Will we have a bit of drama sometimes??? Sheppard isn't a super hero, that'd be great to see him fail sometimes.

And of course we knew they wouldn't die since it was AGAIN Mckay and Shep who were stuck ... that SOOOO kills the suspens. I would have felt more worried if it was Ronon or Beckett, or even Lorne... Cause we know they don't mind killing off some characters at this time of the year....

Well at the end, we're back to the siege ... the wraiths are coming... but with only one ship ... UH UH SUSPENS, but déja vu.

Good points (because I don't watch stargate just for the pleasure of criticizing afterward): Awesome SFX, good characterization of Weir who is not too dark but still deeply changed. David terrific acting, funny moments in the Orion between Mckay/Shepp/blond thing/beckett when mckay explains his plan. Nice intercation between Weir and the Chancelor, who is a great guy with normal reactions. hermiod!love. Nice Shepp and weir scene at the beginning (definitively not ship and that's GREAT).

AutumnDream
January 24th, 2006, 12:04 PM
Woo! It rawked! My theory that Carl Binder writes one awesome script, one "blah" script, one awesome, etc... seems to be correct. The visuals were pretty badass, too. ^_^

-McKay was hilarious.
-Sheppard was after the girl again.:rolleyes: The only girl he should be after is on Atlantis and has nice hair and likes to wear red and black. What more could you want?
-Lots of good stuff going on at once.
-Booyah, we got a ship!
-Teyla and Ronon together again? Gwah! It's cool and all, but explore the other dynamics. There's been a big demand for this.
-I wish those two hadn't been beamed out. There should have been a more creative way to save them, though in this case it made sense for the Daedalus to be saving the day.
-The approaching Hive Ship thing reminded me of The Brotherhood. But I suspect this time things are going to go a lot differently. :p
-The mustache guy and his followers ran to their deaths! Gwahahah!

So, who here thinks Allies might be the best episode ever? Martin Gero rules. :D

starfox
January 24th, 2006, 12:10 PM
Oh how I loved this ep. I mean, it's just beyond words.

Faulty science? I have a shield in my brain for that sort of thing. It separates the explanation given from anything remotely resembling real life. It works rather well.


Where do I start? Attractive blonde scientist chick was fun, and well-acted. Yay for her not feeling like a random alien bimbo. I'm far too lazy to look up the actress's name now, but wasn't she on Andromeda.

The John and Rodney almost-but-not-quite angry banter was quite fun. With the talks about blowing up a planet and Rodney working better under pressure, I was kinda wishing that this scenario had been played out closer to "Trinity" and "Condemned". It kinda follows along that thread of character interactions.

John & Elizabeth's conversation about Rodney and Norina(sp?) was quite amusing. I also loved Liz's remark about the Chancellor. Don't worry, you'll get your hot alien man eventually.

McKay freaking out. Loved it. Because a McKay freak-out cannot be diverted by the mere presence of a hot woman. It's just so him.

Ya gotta wonder where McKay got all this expertise on everything under the sun. Volcanos and geothermal energy? A little out of an astrophyscist's usual baliwick, isn't it?

Oh, and Carson being all "that's outside my baliwick" and Teyla being all "huh?" Too fun.

Zelenka!!!!!! *does happy dance*

"Maybe McKay can fix it." Of course McKay can fix it. He's may not be Superman, but that's okay, he's better than Superman. All hail the might of McKay, for he can fix anything. Yeah, putting all the responsibility on his shoulders is what leads to things like "Trinity", but it's just. so. awesome.

"This is so unfair." It's okay Rodney, they only do it 'cause they love you.

The innuendo!
"Perhaps one day I could study under you."
(Shep eye-roll!!!!!)
"...But first we need to get off - ah, first we need to get off the planet, and then you can be under me - "
And then the tremor, and she ends up in Shep's arms, and Rodney just rolls his eye and walks away.
The eye-rolling! and the innuendo! and the almost-but-not-quite-kirkiness! That's pretty much the second-best scene in this ep.

*pauses to contemplate Shep's arms*
and back to the review

"Oh well, I guess we're all gonna die."..."Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. It has nothing at all to do with saving the lives of these people; it's all about you."
I'd forgotten how much I love Joe Flanigan's deadpan delivery. It's one of the reasons I love Shep as a character. *hugs JF and sends good vibes his way*

I like that there were people they couldn't save, people who refused to be saved. It made the ep feel a little more real. Humans are stubborn and frustrating like that.

Ronon running with a child in each arm = such a great hero image.

Teyla and Ronon with the almost dying and being beamed aboard the Daedalus. I would have felt this more if there had been a "What are the chances of Teyla and Ronon being alive?" moment. Just a half-second would have brought it back to the team, making it a better ep, IMHO.

"Talk amongst yaselves. I have an idea."
"But-"
"Can't talk, busy."
"Bu-"
"Not now please."
I love the McShep show. It's not great for every ep, but damn it was good here. *shivers in fangirl love*

Caldwell all antsy 'cause Shep kept him from going into hero mode. Also brings up an interesting point. Shep does have a bit of a hero complex, which is going to bite him in the butt (again) later.

Love that McKay asked Beckett about Teyla and Ronon, shows that he does have concern about his team. If only they had followed it through later.

And the best moment of the entire episode:Rodney's explanation of the plan.
Because OMG. There are no. words.

"Then what?"
"Then Norina and I were planning a small dinner, nothing fancy, just -"
"Rodney!"
"What does he mean then what?!"
I just need to take a moment to say how much I love Rodney. This ep is Rodney in all his glory, freaking out, snarking, mocking, sarcastic, hypchodriac, oh-so-loveable Rodney. *hugs DH for being awesome*

Shep's pre-flight instructions were very IC.

The explosion and then the ship's jump through hyperspace was bad-a**. That's all there is to it.

"You really are a genius." Oh, she totally went for Rodney instead of Shep.

Yeah, this was a Rodney-heavy review, but it was a Rodney-heavy ep, and I loved it. I also love Weir's closing line: "It's all we've got." A very strong, we'll get through this kind of line.


The plot was okay, the dialouge was stellar, as was the acting. Stuff like this is why I love Atlantis.

Denanthor
January 24th, 2006, 12:15 PM
I belive this was one of my favorit episodes of the second half of season 2

I mean the usual McKay save the day thing happend.
But getting an actual working ancient warship outbeats everything thats happend to atlantis. We scored Drones in The Tower but getting a Warship tops that 10-1. The people were actualy nice and didnt try and blow us up or nothing or steal the ship away.

All in all a great episode 9/10 I think

FallenAngelII
January 24th, 2006, 12:23 PM
Yeah, I disliked the blonde scientist woman as well. I often found myself thinking "Go away! You look stupid!". I mean, nothing against the actress, she couldn't help it. She was written that way.

But other than that, I loved this episode. It even had John/Rodney ship XD XD XD. Sheppard kept looking jealous and possessive (especially when the blonde scientist woman made a double enténdre. He rolled his eyes and pushed his head back) and then when he accidentally had a "moment" with the scientist, McKay looked jealous and possesive.

And their little banter. And him calling the scientist... "attractive" and saying that Rodney was acting... "pathetic". And the teasing of Rodney. No, really. It's like someone slashified the script. Maybe I've been reading too much McKay/Sheppard slash for the past two days (when I started reading it).

joasia
January 24th, 2006, 12:51 PM
I love the bit when Mckay, and Shepperd were fighting over the ships name. And Shepperd says 'No, we're not calling it the Enterprise". And i just watched the ep. where Jack and Sam were arguing about the name of Prometheus.
The original name Sucked. I would hate to have that name,(i forget it) even if you got your name on a ship.My husband said that they should rename it to "Professor Lidenbrock"... And I agree :D

Where do I start? Attractive blonde scientist chick was fun, and well-acted. Yay for her not feeling like a random alien bimbo. I'm far too lazy to look up the actress's name now, but wasn't she on Andromeda.She did. And in SG-1, too - she had been the Tok'ra Zarin in 'Endgame'.
And I should add that it has been really nice to hear Ronon laugh.

Sindet
January 24th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Okay, hands down, the best ep of the season so far. Fabulous human drama, with volcanos! I love how Binder never forgets who his characters are and how they interact with each other. So many lovely character moments, especially between Sheppard and McKay. They were a delight to watch, and quite frankly, I can never get enough of the Sheppard/McKay show. To me, this was the anti-"Trinity"--Rodney saves the day, despite his doubts, and John has endless faith in him, while baiting and encouraging and teasing. There's real affection there, and it's lovely to see.

And the blonde scientist woman, flirting shamelessly with both of them? Was quite entertaining. A babe of the week that I actually liked.

This ep had a real "team" feel to it, everyone doing their part, without feeling like a character has been shoehorned in just to get some screentime. The pacing was great, the tension, the dialogue, everything was wonderful. The sense of relief at the end, when everyone was safe--now that's what I love about this show. Seeing people who care about each other.

An exciting, action-filled ep with explosions, and spaceships, and real people trying their best to save the day and each other--this is what Atlantis does best.

I am a very happy fan.

Sindet

SnoggingPicard
January 24th, 2006, 02:15 PM
To me, this was the anti-"Trinity"--Rodney saves the day, despite his doubts, and John has endless faith in him, while baiting and encouraging and teasing. There's real affection there, and it's lovely to see.

Ooooh, I like this comparison! Nice to see that mirror here. Thanks for this little connection. ;)


This ep had a real "team" feel to it, everyone doing their part, without feeling like a character has been shoehorned in just to get some screentime. The pacing was great, the tension, the dialogue, everything was wonderful. The sense of relief at the end, when everyone was safe--now that's what I love about this show. Seeing people who care about each other.

Ahhh...perfect. Love the team eps -- especially when the throwaway lines are kept to a minimum. Cool.

Callie
January 24th, 2006, 02:30 PM
While I get started on the transcript, did anyone get the end credits? My version ended before they ran. Was the guy who walked off to his death with some others named in the credits, cos I don't remember him being named during the episode. Also, did anyone watch with c.c. on and so can give me the proper spellings of Norena/Nureena/Noreena and the Chancellor?

Thanks for any help! I'll let you know when the transcript's up.

Angel10
January 24th, 2006, 02:34 PM
Sorry my version ended before too. And unfortunately, the character is not quoted on IMDB or even on the official website of Brandy Ledford :jonas18:

Astrofighter
January 24th, 2006, 02:52 PM
They were not putting more energy into the volcano. They were drawing more out of it. Think of it in terms of layers : they were sucking up magma from Layer one, however, they then started drawing up more and more than it was designed to do. So what happened was Layer one started to dry out and therefore lower Layers started to get sucked up to it. From this the flow started to break through and everything started going up. This lead to instability and bam!

GateMan2000
January 24th, 2006, 03:09 PM
I just got done receiving the show from my 4th cousin Bit in the Yukon and I must say that this episode was one of the better ones this season. I like the idea of the Orion being around.

xfkirsten
January 24th, 2006, 03:11 PM
Can I just say that the visual effects in this one totally rocked? I LOVED them! :D

The blond I could go either way on. She didn't really do anything. The tension between John and Rodney could have been really hilarious. Unfortunately, since John has gone after just about every female he's run into, I just got annoyed that he was going after another one. If it didn't happen as often, I would have found it hilarious.

I loved Elizabeth's "what's he like?" comment. Oh, Lizzie, you need teh secks. :D

Arlessiar
January 24th, 2006, 03:11 PM
And you're an expert on the science behind Ancient shield technology? Otherwise how would you know that the shield generator drawing energy from the volcano couldn't cause it to become unstable? Well, it's science fiction and of course it's everyone's right to ignore the scientific explanations and just enjoy the fiction aspects. That's alright. But I'm interested in the scientific explanations, and I think in this case Jarnin is right:
you can't add energy to something you're extracting energy from. Laws of physics. And increasing the pressure inside the volcano means adding energy. But they don't do that. I don't think the volcano would be bothered by the shield of the ancients, no matter how long it runs.

Ya gotta wonder where McKay got all this expertise on everything under the sun. Volcanos and geothermal energy? A little out of an astrophyscist's usual baliwick, isn't it? I'm one of the people who really don't like it when scientists become super-scientists on TV (like Sam Carter), but in this case I think it's not so unusual that McKay knows something about the "event of the day". Yes, he's no geologist, but he knows a lot about physics (and thermodynamics is a part of that), and maybe he doesn't know all the details about volcanos. But he can know the basics (maybe it's a hobby. :)). And there wasn't much he said about super volcanos that I didn't know or hadn't heard before (and I really don't know that much about them), so I think his explanations and knowledge were believable in this ep.

Bye, A.

Denanthor
January 24th, 2006, 03:18 PM
Scifi is the name Stargate Atlantis Appears on in the Us Scifi Scifi stands for Science Fiction Fiction means Fake Correct? Well Heres my explenation on the whole volcano explosion thing. They wrote it It doesnt have to be logicial It just happend. lol I mean why try and explain something when either A you know its wrong or B its doesnt need to be explained? I know I enjoyed the episode just the same weather or not its scientificly correct

Giantevilhead
January 24th, 2006, 03:24 PM
The situation could have been resolved much more easily if the Daedalus had just plucked a gate from a neighboring planet and used it to evacuate everyone.

GateByte
January 24th, 2006, 03:34 PM
The situation could have been resolved much more easily if the Daedalus had just plucked a gate from a neighboring planet and used it to evacuate everyone.

Who's to say that there was a planet with a stargate nearby. And for that matter, who's to say that if they did bring a new gate, that it wouldn't have just got sucked into the volcano like the last one. Also, I liked the fact that the Daedalus didn't save the day. Sure, they had it help out briefly, but I think they ep wouldn't have been as good if they could have just stepped in and resolved the problem in a matter of minutes. It gave the characters a chance to find their own solution, and made for a pretty awesome episode in my opinion. I just finished an earth science course last month (volcanoes being the coolest part), and I just loved all stuff about in the ep about the super-volcano, albeit, some of it was a tad bit incorrect, but hey it's fiction.

Liverpool_chicK
January 24th, 2006, 03:58 PM
I must agree with the majority of you and say that this has been one of the best episodes this half of the season. It seems that the episodes are slowly getting better since Coup d'etat. I now cant wait to Allies next week. I loved how they went back to the whole team-driven episodes, it just works alot better this way for some reason.

I also thought that the whole E.L.E. (dont ask me to spell it all out, but think 'Deep Impact' and meets Pompeii) I am finding that Ronon and Teyla are a great pair together, they work really well with one and other.... Almost like they are twins... McKay, he is someone that you have to come to like. Yes he may be whiney and freak out alot, but it works, especially when he is really the only one that can save the team from their inpending doom. And John is just John.

Giantevilhead
January 24th, 2006, 04:10 PM
Who's to say that there was a planet with a stargate nearby. And for that matter, who's to say that if they did bring a new gate, that it wouldn't have just got sucked into the volcano like the last one. Also, I liked the fact that the Daedalus didn't save the day. Sure, they had it help out briefly, but I think they ep wouldn't have been as good if they could have just stepped in and resolved the problem in a matter of minutes. It gave the characters a chance to find their own solution, and made for a pretty awesome episode in my opinion. I just finished an earth science course last month (volcanoes being the coolest part), and I just loved all stuff about in the ep about the super-volcano, albeit, some of it was a tad bit incorrect, but hey it's fiction.
At the very least they could have used the Atlantis gate. They didn't have to put the gate down inside the volcano, it'd be stupid to do that. They could have put it on the other side of the planet far away from any danger and then beamed people to the gate, it would have been slower but still much faster than ferrying people to Atlantis. Once they finished evacuating the people, they could have had Hermiod and Zelenka help McKay fix the Orion.

Eoin
January 24th, 2006, 04:13 PM
That was one god damned excellent ep....def. the best next to the Siege P3 this season :D

Arlessiar
January 24th, 2006, 04:36 PM
Just wanted to add that I think that this was a great episode, even if some of the scientific things bothered me. But all in all it was great. Nice action and suspense, nice team moments, much McShep fun. Excellent performances from all the Atlantis actors. And the story was interesting - in real life the whole super volcano thing (yellowstone) scares the living hell out of me since I heard about it the first time, and so I thought this episode was pretty thrilling. Unfortunately it also made me painfully aware of the fact that we here on earth don't have a stargate or a spacship to escape when it comes to an explosion of a super volcano...

Like many of you I didn't like the blond 'scientist'. She was a good trigger for some funny moments between Sheppard and McKay, but apart from that she was pretty useless, just (and constantly) following Rodney and standing in the way. And yes, it may be shallow, but I really didn't like her dress or her hairstyle. IMHO these things didn't seem to fit to her job. ;)

Bye, A.

GateByte
January 24th, 2006, 04:48 PM
At the very least they could have used the Atlantis gate. They didn't have to put the gate down inside the volcano, it'd be stupid to do that. They could have put it on the other side of the planet far away from any danger and then beamed people to the gate, it would have been slower but still much faster than ferrying people to Atlantis. Once they finished evacuating the people, they could have had Hermiod and Zelenka help McKay fix the Orion.

I doubt highly that Weir would have allowed them to up and take the atlantis gate to another planet. Although, I agree it would have been faster than transporting people with the Daedalus.

Unless they somehow shutdown the shielding around the hanger and had the Daedalus beem the ship into orbit (like the Prometheus did with that building/bomb in season 8), I doubt that they would have sent more people onto that planet to try and fix the ship. As it was, they didn't have time to fix anything really, aside from shields and the hyperdrive (sort of). Even though the prospect of getting such an advanced ship sounded great, I doubt that they would have been willing to take the risk, what with the impending 'extinction level event' and all.

Buzz Lightyear
January 24th, 2006, 04:48 PM
Well, it's science fiction and of course it's everyone's right to ignore the scientific explanations and just enjoy the fiction aspects. That's alright. But I'm interested in the scientific explanations, and I think in this case Jarnin is right: Laws of physics. And increasing the pressure inside the volcano means adding energy. But they don't do that. I don't think the volcano would be bothered by the shield of the ancients, no matter how long it runs.

The scientific fallacy in that argument is your (and Jarnin's) assumption that the destabilization of the super-volcano requires the addition of energy.

Here's a different analogy: Suppose you have a gigantic pressure cooker the size of that super-volcano. The massive pressure within represents a lot of potential energy. If you were to carefully siphon some of that pressure in a controlled and limited fashion, you would be able to tap into a powerful, yet renewable energy resource. However, if you get greedy and try to extract too much energy at a time, without regard for safety protocols, you risk causing a massive sudden release of the trapped pressure, leading to a catastrophic explosion. And nowhere in this scenario was any energy ADDED to the equation.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 24th, 2006, 05:13 PM
I had low expectations for this ep, but I have to say that for the most part I was impressed. The plot was exciting, the tension was high enough to keep me at the edge of my seat, Ronan & Teyla were good, Caldwell and Hermiod were back (boo, hiss, Hermiod, on suggesting they leave orbit:( )

Rodney and Shep were more than a little annoying at times(Shep, it's considered bad policy to tell the people you're trying to impress that the guy you've brought to fix your shield generators sometimes gets his wires crossed and blows up planets), as was the blonde-chick-of-the-week.... I will say this for her, though, she was cool under pressure... or... incredibly, incredibly... how to put this nicely... naive? ;)

The Hive ship appearing on the sensors added to the tension and I really enjoyed watching TH act Weir's part in this.

Very good ep. :)

Astrofighter
January 24th, 2006, 05:14 PM
Yeah the best solution would have been to get everyone on the ship then teleport it up, i'm sure if they opened the roof right away they could get a lock.

Wick
January 24th, 2006, 05:30 PM
Why did the Dedalus take the refuges all the way to Atlantis why not to a close world with a stargate then they could have gated to Atlantis it would have taken a fraction of the time taken to fly to Atlantis.

AutumnDream
January 24th, 2006, 05:54 PM
I loved Elizabeth's "what's he like?" comment. Oh, Lizzie, you need teh secks. :D

Wahahah! She sure does. :D John needs to get his head out of the sand.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
January 24th, 2006, 05:56 PM
Good episode. I give it a ***. Great visual effects, I smell emmy nomination (visual effects category).

Sheppard: Whether we live or die is all up to Rodney. Rodney: This is so unfair

mmu_man
January 24th, 2006, 06:06 PM
Faulty science? I have a shield in my brain for that sort of thing. It separates the explanation given from anything remotely resembling real life. It works rather well.

Well I don't see what's wrong there anyway.
Supposedly taking up heat from the magma chamber to power up the shields have likely more impact than boiling up some water to heat cities like we do on earth.
Now that would likely cool down the lava inside the chamber, making it more heavy, forcing it to go back down to the core of the planet, forcing up new fresh and hot magma due to the same convection princible that makes our continents drift and our electric heaters heat entire rooms. The fact that fresh magma has been flowing continuously for a year can probably be accounted as a good reason for the enlargement of the magma chamber.


Where do I start? Attractive blonde scientist chick was fun, and well-acted. Yay for her not feeling like a random alien bimbo.
Yeah, and actually she had some scientist-grade concerns, like about the hangar doors that could collapse on the ship. So she wasn't just standing by, even if it was funny to see her following Rodney everywhere, but I'd say it was more because she was amazed at what he showed her ("I've already learnt so much"). It's not always about sex you know. Ok, it might have been too :)



The John and Rodney almost-but-not-quite angry banter was quite fun. With the talks about blowing up a planet and Rodney working better under pressure, I was kinda wishing that this scenario had been played out closer to "Trinity" and "Condemned". It kinda follows along that thread of character interactions.
Well indeed in Trinity he wasn't really under presure, there was no imminent threat, so likely his ego took over and interfered with his judgement, which doesn't seem to happen when the danger is real.


John & Elizabeth's conversation about Rodney and Norina(sp?) was quite amusing. I also loved Liz's remark about the Chancellor. Don't worry, you'll get your hot alien man eventually.
I think she really had something with Janus in Before I Sleep, something more than just gratitude... But of course current-Weir doesn't know him personnally. I have some ideas how to make that happen, but well I'm not TPTB.


Yeah, putting all the responsibility on his shoulders is what leads to things like "Trinity", but it's just. so. awesome.

Again it's all about imminent threat vs ego.


The innuendo!
"Perhaps one day I could study under you."
(Shep eye-roll!!!!!)
"...But first we need to get off - ah, first we need to get off the planet, and then you can be under me - "
And then the tremor, and she ends up in Shep's arms, and Rodney just rolls his eye and walks away.

She actually ended up *under Shep* instead of Rodney, as he bent on her to protect her from possibly falling stuff. ::roll::


"Talk amongst yaselves. I have an idea."
"But-"
"Can't talk, busy."
"Bu-"
"Not now please."
I love the McShep show. It's not great for every ep, but damn it was good here. *shivers in fangirl love*

The good old "shut up I've got an idea" :D

Quinn Mallory
January 24th, 2006, 06:38 PM
The scientific fallacy in that argument is your (and Jarnin's) assumption that the destabilization of the super-volcano requires the addition of energy.

Here's a different analogy: Suppose you have a gigantic pressure cooker the size of that super-volcano. The massive pressure within represents a lot of potential energy. If you were to carefully siphon some of that pressure in a controlled and limited fashion, you would be able to tap into a powerful, yet renewable energy resource. However, if you get greedy and try to extract too much energy at a time, without regard for safety protocols, you risk causing a massive sudden release of the trapped pressure, leading to a catastrophic explosion. And nowhere in this scenario was any energy ADDED to the equation.

Well, there is a huge grey area in terms of what the shield could possibly be doing to the volcano. However, the destabilization of the volcanic process doesn't need the addition of other energy; there is easily enough total energy within the volcano. What is more important though, is the transformation/release of the potential energy inside the volcano. Of course, what that process requires is rather fuzzy but just like the quite extreme example of releasing energy from just atoms in nuclear processes, the volcanic eruption just need another transformation of potential to kinetic energy.

Quinn Mallory
January 24th, 2006, 06:41 PM
Decent episode. It's good to see the team work together although something toward the end showing Sheppard, etc. worrying about Teyla and Ronan would have been appropriate.

I think I saw the McKay's escape plan from the moment I saw the ship, since it's essentially a page out of SG-1's episode "Fail Safe" but there were always doubts whether the Orion would've still been in salvagable shape by the end of this episode.

I'm definitely looking forward to the next episode although I'm already dreading the long break after that one for SGA.

prion
January 24th, 2006, 06:58 PM
lol, McKay's solution to the problem (riding the ship out on the blast from the volcano and doing a short hyperspace hop) was pretty random and kinda dodgy :D

Science has NEVER been a high point on the stargate shows....

The anti-kirkers might have a few problems with this episode - it seemed to me that Shep and Rodney were trying to compete with each other to see who would get to score with the chick. Also, I was kind of dissapointed at the lack of purposful involvement for the chick (her name alludes me atm...). Alot of the time she was just standing there while Sheppard and McKay tried to outdo each other.

I can't recall the name of the blonde character, but the actress is Brandy Ledford (Andromeda, Invisible Man). I'm not used to seeing her in that much clothing. Usually she's in god-awful spandex crap. But anyway... the way that Shep and McKay were both vying for her attention was sooooo much like the old Crosby-Hope films. Had me chortling as you knew neither was gonna win in the end.

I liked that we got more time to see the characters interact - Teyla and Ronon especially, right when they thought, well, this is it, they're doomed, gonna die. Good photography too.

I really liked this episode. Kudos to Carl Binder. He needs to write more scripts. Dialogue was great! "Anybody have a nail clipper?" Ha!

And they got something out of this one (more drones, a spaceship!)

leaper
January 24th, 2006, 07:05 PM
Loved this ep! Though I didn't see Shep "kirking" in this one, as some others did, I saw it more as...."aahh, Rodney likes this chick, lets see if I can irritate/annoy him"

thor's first prime
January 24th, 2006, 07:19 PM
i think the question we all want to know is, how big is the orion, too bad they did not show the two ships side by side to allow us to compare.

smushybird
January 24th, 2006, 07:21 PM
I can't recall the name of the blonde character, but the actress is Brandy Ledford (Andromeda, Invisible Man). I'm not used to seeing her in that much clothing. Usually she's in god-awful spandex crap. But anyway... the way that Shep and McKay were both vying for her attention was sooooo much like the old Crosby-Hope films. Had me chortling as you knew neither was gonna win in the end.



Since Crosby usually won, except for Road to Utopia--and he kind of even won, then, too :D --I suppose it's appropriate for Shep to get the girl. (Rodney...or DH, anyway, should get the Emmy.)
I've never seen so many good reviews for one SGA ep.
I am so dying to see this one, now. You lucky people, you.

Schrodinger82
January 24th, 2006, 07:25 PM
I'm really glad about this ep. It gets really old to see a weekly installment of "The Atlantis team investigates a planet that offers the promise of XYZ, only to discover some sort of sinister secret." Here they actually managed to get something. Woot. Note to the writers: Gilligan Island syndrome isn't just about the idea of being stranded, it's also about the idea of false hope. You can only pull off that trick so many times before audiences become numb to it.

As for the Daedalus, the easiest solution would have been to beam people to the other side of the planet, which would only take a few minutes back and forth.. Sure, eventually the entire would would be covered in ash, but that would take weeks and weeks, more than enough time for them to finish taking them to Atlantis.

Of course, they didn't do that, because then there would be no urgency for Rodney to stay behind and fix the ship.

Mio
January 24th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Wow. That was, by far, the best episode this season.

It's great how TPTB have managed to (finally) get us questioning whether or not we'll get the technology at the end of the episode. Throughout all of season one, we managed to lose every ZPM that we encountered, so it was pretty obvious that we wouldn't get it. Then, in Season 2, we managed to get some drones and a few jumpers, but lost another ZPM, Arcturus, etc. So towards the end of the episode, I wasn't sure if the Orion would survive or not. That, along with some spectacular Ancient technology, I just love seeing the spectacular Ancient sets and cool Ancient technology. In addition, the gate being buried under lava was pretty awesome, and I like Hermiod, so any episode with him is a plus.

9.7/10.

PG15
January 24th, 2006, 08:45 PM
My God! I freaking love this episode!!! :D:D:D:D

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I've been a Volcano-freak ever since I was 13. ;)

Anyway, there were plenty of bits that were damn good in this, for instance, we have references back to "Trinity" and "Rising" (blowing up planet/solar system, naming stuff, respectively), and the Ancient ship of course. Rodney's plan was brilliant. It's the kind of stuff you just never think off because it's so stupid, and yet so simple at the same time! :D The SFX was beyond great, and of course, we have set up for Allies!

And Hewlett was brilliant, as always. :cool:

Anyway, I can go on and on about this episode, but I got dinner. The episode is getting 10/5. :D:D

EDIT: Ok, one more detail: The last half of the episode was like that little bit in Siege Part 3 when Rodney was trying to raise the shield. The tenseness of that scene was stretched out (but loosing NONE of its potency) to 30 minutes. I was on the edge of my seat AT ALL TIMES during that sequence! Damn...my hands' still sweating! :D

EDIT2: Ok, that scene where Beckett was trying to find a seat was hilarious as hell!

AutumnDream
January 24th, 2006, 08:48 PM
One thing I would like to see more of is... real stuff happening to characters. The Gift/Siege/Runner era was so great because it seemed like actual significant things were happening to the characters. I can't complain much now because I'd take even an episode half as good as this over stuff like Micheal or The Tower, but I'd like to see more real character-oriented stories rather than event/technology-oriented stories. Ones that have lasting effects and flow from/into the next/previous episode.

Ouroboros
January 24th, 2006, 08:58 PM
Renaming a ship is Baaad mojo. That thing's a flying coffin now.

Skythe
January 24th, 2006, 09:22 PM
Of course a great episode :D
I didn't mind the blonde chick, it seemed like she was neccesary to convince the chancellor dude that they weren't lieing. Also i liked how he sort of mistrusted them, it complicated things. Unlike most others, i didn't really like Teyla or Ronin. It kind of made me realise how boring they are to me. Oh well. Another dorky race using ancient tech.

Great ep

Willow'sCat
January 24th, 2006, 11:51 PM
Since Crosby usually won, except for Road to Utopia--and he kind of even won, then, too --I suppose it's appropriate for Shep to get the girl. (Rodney...or DH, anyway, should get the Emmy.)
I've never seen so many good reviews for one SGA ep.
I am so dying to see this one, now. You lucky people, you.Um, we don't know if either got the girl but it was looking like Rodney for a while. :) Heehee, they really were like Hope and Crosby right down to the slapping. :p

I really liked this episode and it gives me encouragement for next season, and I am actually looking forward to next weeks finale.

We have a Ship! :D

Stevo
January 25th, 2006, 01:26 AM
this episode was great

Merlin1701
January 25th, 2006, 02:33 AM
does anyone have pics of the vessel?

Cynicat
January 25th, 2006, 03:32 AM
does anyone have pics of the vessel?

*points to page 2 of this thread*

:)

James_the_Wraith_Sympathiser
January 25th, 2006, 04:51 AM
Well I can't be bothered reading 5 pages of replies, but it's good to see that alot of people liked this ep. I didn't know that the 'Orion' was gonna be an Ancient ship - from the spoilers I read, I thought it was another Earth built ship. Should be good though, esp. if McKay, Zelenka et al can get it fully operational (with some help from Hermiod perhaps?).

Gotta wonder though, with Michael on the way with a Wraith hive ship, they'd want to make sure they hide it somehow...I'm sure that even though the Wraith (some of them) know about Atlantis, they wouldn't want the Wraith knowing they had an Ancient ship...

Can't wait for Allies next week...then it's what, a 6 month wait until new eps debut in July on SciFi? daaamn....I'm gonna try not to read spoilers methinks!

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 25th, 2006, 04:54 AM
Renaming a ship is Baaad mojo. That thing's a flying coffin now.

Ha! I had exactly the same thought! C'mon, Shep, you should know better.

An Aurora-class ship is a lucky find, but I'm curious to know what its got under the hood. It's already been damaged in a Wraith fire-fight, and the Aurora certainly wasn't a match for the ships that took her out.

How long will it take the Orion to get to Atlantis, since it has a slower drive than Prometheus?(I suppose Hermiod could work on the engines....)

I'm glad they got a ship and a fighting chance against the Wraith, but I'm even happier that it's way too little advantage for them to win on fire-power alone. They'll have to use tons of good old ingenuity and the hand of that blonde chick, Lady Luck, to survive what's sure to come.

Bring it on! :D

Agent_Dark
January 25th, 2006, 04:59 AM
Ha! I had exactly the same thought! C'mon, Shep, you should know better.
Hehe, I had the same thought as well! But then again, Shep is Air-Force, so he probably thinks that's all superstitious nonsense that the sailor pansies believe in :P

SG_FAN15
January 25th, 2006, 05:03 AM
i really enjoyed this ep, i found it quite amuzing, becuase mckay played quite a big part as he was quite funny, and same goes for sheppard, but i really liked the orion it was wicked

James_the_Wraith_Sympathiser
January 25th, 2006, 05:07 AM
I only know the basic plot for Allies, so I don't know how it ends luckily...

but hopefully they don't get into a firefight with the Wraith, cos there's really not alot they can do from this point with only one ship and some drones. If the Ancients couldn't defeat them in 100 years, we don't have a hope in hell :(

Domesticated Equine
January 25th, 2006, 05:29 AM
I liked this episode, mostly because there was actual tension and a feeling of peril. I really liked the music in this one as well.

There were bad points too, but I was mostly able to overlook them this time. I didn't like the Shep/random hot alien chick/Mckay triangle at all, was a bit confused whether I should have known this civilization from before and finally thought that the Ronan/Teyla "death" scene was really poorly done. Bad pacing, bad writing and bad acting in a potentially emotional and important character scene. I was also puzzled why McKay or Shep didn't seem to worry about Ronan and Teyla since they didn't know they had been beamed aboard the Daedalus. I was expecting a scene where they discuss whether they can leave them behind but the issue was avoided.

Oblivion147
January 25th, 2006, 06:40 AM
Why did the Dedalus take the refuges all the way to Atlantis why not to a close world with a stargate then they could have gated to Atlantis it would have taken a fraction of the time taken to fly to Atlantis.

That’s a very very good point, they wouldn't even need to find a planet with an active Stargate, any habitable planet would do temporarily for the refugees. The only possibility I can think of taking the people back to Atlantis is to protect them from the Wraith but it seems a bit of a stretch, its a big galaxy.

Small nitpick aside, fantastic episode, which leads well in to next weeks finale. Cannot believe we only have one episode left.

bitnine
January 25th, 2006, 11:21 AM
Actually, I've always wondered why they don't beam a Stargate onto ships like the Deddy from uninhabitable planets and keep it around. Hell, they could grab up the mist alien's gate and be doing them a giant favor. Something like that would be real handy to have, particularly in situations like this.

Ouroboros
January 25th, 2006, 12:18 PM
Why did the Dedalus take the refuges all the way to Atlantis why not to a close world with a stargate then they could have gated to Atlantis it would have taken a fraction of the time taken to fly to Atlantis.

Actually just beaming them up and down on the other side of the planet to wait there would have saved them all. Sure the planet would eventually go into nuclear winter but that's not going to happen fast enough to kill them all before the D can make its 4 trips back and forth to Atlantis. They probably wouldn't even notice anything in the few hours it was supposed to take.

GoldenSG-1
January 25th, 2006, 12:54 PM
ok so atlantis has the Orion and now the daudalus. It looks like Atlantis is a bigger priority than Earth with 2 ships on its side. Earth just gets the Prometheus which according to spoilers

gets destroyed and is replaced with the Odyssey. Still thats one ship for earth and 2 for atlantis have to have one more for earth

IWantToBelieve
January 25th, 2006, 01:46 PM
Just popping in to say how much I loved this episode also.

It was wonderful to see the McKay/Sheppard dynamic back and in force, and I'm truly having to revise my opinion on Carl Binder after this!

A great team episode, a lot of truly wonderful moments. Sheppard was adorable, my favorite parts were of course the McShep ones.

I didn't mind the alien gal scientist. She was a nice surprise because I didn't really care for her in Andromeda. The triangle with Sheppard-McKay-female scientist was amusing.

The bits with Carson were a treat (yay Beckett!)

Okay, I just loved it all!

Callie
January 25th, 2006, 02:24 PM
Draft transcript is up:

http://www.brundle.free-online.co.uk/219_Inferno.html

sg1_david
January 25th, 2006, 02:40 PM
best episode this season :)

A Lost Cause
January 25th, 2006, 02:59 PM
The episode also shows that the ancients obviously couldn't mass produce ZPM's, because if they could, there we be no reason for them to have to use the volcano's energy. So for all you hoping to find a ZPM factory... I truly doubt it's going to happen.

prion
January 25th, 2006, 04:17 PM
The episode also shows that the ancients obviously couldn't mass produce ZPM's, because if they could, there we be no reason for them to have to use the volcano's energy. So for all you hoping to find a ZPM factory... I truly doubt it's going to happen.

Oh yes there is!
Spoilers for episode 201 (as in two hundred and one)
The Atlantis team, headed by General Sheppard, Dr. McKay (now bald, as well, hair coudn't last forever), Teyla (whose now blonde and skinny, forced to follow the Desperate Housewives diet), Ronon and his three young under 16-year-old suddenly long-lost but found nephews and nieces (to attract the crowd that UPN and the wB coudln't get) find themselves at WAlly's Ancient World, the most humongous 'big box' store in the Pegasus Galaxy.

Humor and drama abound as:
* McKay finds the ZPM section, only is overwhelmed and goes into a catanoic state as he can't decide between the multi-colored ZPMs (of which there are over 100 different shades)
* Sheppard gets trapped in the "Wraith Deterrant" section and finds himself glued to a huge section of wraith flypaper, next to a wraith whose been trapped there for a century, is really hungry, and has gone insane because it's been staring at the same page of a tabloid for the time and can't rip off hte wallpaper to turn the page on the tabloid to read the end of the story.
* Both Teyla and Ronon lose track of time in the Ancient 'hair products' section.
* Ronon's teeange nephews and niece must of course, save everybody from fates worse than death.
* And it gets worse from there...


END SPOILERS

Wraith_Hunter
January 25th, 2006, 07:06 PM
The episode also shows that the ancients obviously couldn't mass produce ZPM's, because if they could, there we be no reason for them to have to use the volcano's energy. So for all you hoping to find a ZPM factory... I truly doubt it's going to happen.


Simply put, why would they need a ZPM. Especially if they had a free, efficient, abundent energy source such as Geothermal energy. Probably that was why they chose it, it seems that this facility may have been used for creating or at least repairing ships etc, or mabe even used as a scanning outpost etc. So whatever it's function, it may have used a heck of a lot of energy up. So as seen by Atlantis, if it was under constant Wraith bombardment, then they wouldn't need to change the ZPM every few days. That's more likely all there was to it. Although I never did figure them to mass produce ZPM's either. Simply created enough & a couple of spares for what they needed them for. Otherwise Janus would have given Weir a bigger list or more importantly, the location of the factory itself.

On another note, One thing I'd have preferred them to do was have when 'The Orion' jumped into orbit. Have it shot as a sideways look, then we could have seen it jump right next to Daedalus. Where they are only a couple hundred meteres away from each other. Then we can switch to inside 'The Orion' & see the teams looking at each other through the viewscreens. Just to see the expression on the Daedalus' bridge crew when this beast jumped out right infront of them. Especially after they thought that they had all perished in the eruption. Then have Shep casually wave to them & see them being able to see it & have Teyla/Ronon wave back. That would have been an awesome end scene & made the episode that much better.

hampstor
January 25th, 2006, 08:09 PM
Is that Brandy Ledford? Since when did they start casting women who've posed for Penthouse on Stargate? :lol:

Michelle05
January 25th, 2006, 08:21 PM
Wow, this was such a great episode! Exceptional special effects and a tight story, and of course nothing can beat the McKay/Sheppard banter. I loved watching John manipulate Rodney any way he could, from making him jealous to questioning his brilliance. And Rodney knew what he was up to but was powerless to resist. Just great! Excellent job, everyone. Can't wait for the fan fics to start rolling in on this one.

Michelle05
January 25th, 2006, 08:25 PM
Is that Brandy Ledford? Since when did they start casting women who've posed for Penthouse on Stargate? :lol:

Well, she played a Tok'ra operative in 8.10 Endgame, so it's been at least a year :)

She's not the greatest actress of our time, but she did a good job and her looks were relevant to the story, allowing Shep to frustrate Rodney into saving everyone. ;)

Wraith_Hunter
January 25th, 2006, 09:04 PM
Is that Brandy Ledford? Since when did they start casting women who've posed for Penthouse on Stargate? :lol:

She's also done the infamous home s#x tape as well when she was younger.

It was with Vince Neil (from rock band Motley Crue) & Janine Lindemulder (pornstar). She must have got an injunction on it at some point or another because in the later versions that floated about. They had her face blurred up.

So now I can see why Shep & McKay were eager for her! :o

PG15
January 25th, 2006, 11:30 PM
You guys know way too much about this sort of stuff. :P

Jarnin
January 25th, 2006, 11:39 PM
The scientific fallacy in that argument is your (and Jarnin's) assumption that the destabilization of the super-volcano requires the addition of energy.

Here's a different analogy: Suppose you have a gigantic pressure cooker the size of that super-volcano. The massive pressure within represents a lot of potential energy. If you were to carefully siphon some of that pressure in a controlled and limited fashion, you would be able to tap into a powerful, yet renewable energy resource. However, if you get greedy and try to extract too much energy at a time, without regard for safety protocols, you risk causing a massive sudden release of the trapped pressure, leading to a catastrophic explosion. And nowhere in this scenario was any energy ADDED to the equation.
I suppose my argument is flimsy as long as we have no clue how they were extracting energy from the volcano.

You're assuming that they're "extracting pressure" which they can somehow turn into power. I'm assuming they were extracting heat, which they can use to spin turbines to produce electricity.

I guess the point I never got around to was that they didn't need to have the "scientific" problem in the episode at all; it was tossed in there to make the team look like brilliant heroes.
The people could have simply been trying to contact Atlantis because the super-volcano they lived in was about to blow, and they wanted our help. Instead they made them really ignorant, so our guys looked really intelligent.

I liked the ep. I think it was probably in the top 3 this season. I'm just getting tired of unneeded complexities being tossed in the show to explain something that could have been done in a simpler manner.

Wyrminarrd
January 26th, 2006, 12:24 AM
Great episode all around. They managed to introduce a new ship and getting it into the hands of the Atlantis team without making them seem greedy or selfish.

I really hope that they choose to use the Orion for a preventive strike against that hive ship, would be grea for Atlantis to go on the offensive for a change. Perhaps they could locate an inhabited world between them and the wraith and try and make it look like the people of that world are the ones fighting back? It would delay the wraith for some time.

Oblivion147
January 26th, 2006, 12:53 AM
Was the Orion mentioned in the Spoilers? I'm a bit of a junkie for that sort of thing and can't remember reading anything about it.

I hope they keep it around for a while like the Pegasus in BSG!

Whatazarian
January 26th, 2006, 01:12 AM
I suppose my argument is flimsy as long as we have no clue how they were extracting energy from the volcano.

You're assuming that they're "extracting pressure" which they can somehow turn into power. I'm assuming they were extracting heat, which they can use to spin turbines to produce electricity.


Technically, both arguments can work and be explained with basic thermodynamics, heat makes materials rise, so hotter molten magma would be rising, and putting more pressure on the surface (crust that forms the volcano above it). If you extract this heat, you will decrease the pressure on the crust and since convection takes so in the mantle/core area due to the high density and viscosity of the substances, that heat/pressure wouldn't really be 'replaced' depending on the mantle of the planet (another error SG science made is assuming all planets mantle, core etc.. are similar to earths).
Since according to the laws of thermodynamics matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed but change form, depending on the age of the planet, and thus the amount of radioactive activity in the core creating energy, the pressure on the crust would've decreased and perhaps this would've caused a cave in and started geological activity.

This is all probability type stuff mind you, the likeliness of all this happening is so impossible that we can safely conclude the SG science section writers have no idea about physics, geology, or any major science..

As for someone in earlier sections of the thread saying McKay was a 'super scientist', anyone with a doctorate in physics, and especially astro physics, would have a basic understanding, and appreciation for all major sciences, and something like geology would be part of their elementary education (it can be used to teach about convection currents, waves etc..)

Edited to add..

Sorry about the rant, I hope it makes sense and I hope I haven't made any scientific errors, it's like 3am and i'm tired.

Also, this was a good episode, I felt it was one of the more realistic episodes in the S-G universe, where the survival of the team didn't involve a MacGyver like solutions (except McKay's idea, which was a MacGyverish solution).. i.e Teyla and Ronon were simply beamed up, no need for improbable heroics/cliches for them. I'd give it a 3.5/4 or 7/8 rating and probably the 3rd best episode of the season behind critical mass and The Siege Part 3.

P.S I love MacGyver :P

Buzz Lightyear
January 26th, 2006, 01:35 AM
I suppose my argument is flimsy as long as we have no clue how they were extracting energy from the volcano.

You're assuming that they're "extracting pressure" which they can somehow turn into power. I'm assuming they were extracting heat, which they can use to spin turbines to produce electricity.

You're right that we have no precise idea how the Ancients were using the volcano to power the shield. However, if we're making assumptions, it seems more logical to assume the shield generator is using the already available pressurized gas from the volcano, rather than go through the more cumbersome process of converting the heat from the volcano to electricity. And volatile gas under pressure is always at risk of exploding.

Buzz Lightyear
January 26th, 2006, 01:50 AM
Well I can't be bothered reading 5 pages of replies, but it's good to see that alot of people liked this ep. I didn't know that the 'Orion' was gonna be an Ancient ship - from the spoilers I read, I thought it was another Earth built ship. Should be good though, esp. if McKay, Zelenka et al can get it fully operational (with some help from Hermiod perhaps?).

Gotta wonder though, (spoiler for 2x20 Allies)with Michael on the way with a Wraith hive ship, they'd want to make sure they hide it somehow...I'm sure that even though the Wraith (some of them) know about Atlantis, they wouldn't want the Wraith knowing they had an Ancient ship...

I think you just posted spoiler information for episode 2x20 Allies. I've added spoiler tags to my quote above.

SmallTimePerson
January 26th, 2006, 03:34 AM
I loved this ep, its my favourite S2 ep so far...

What type of hyperdrive do you think the orion has, intergalactic or intersteller. I only ask because the aurora had interstellar and it would take ages to get anywhere (i.e. back to atlantis) if ity didn't have intergalactic

Mio
January 26th, 2006, 03:36 AM
I suppose my argument is flimsy as long as we have no clue how they were extracting energy from the volcano.

You're assuming that they're "extracting pressure" which they can somehow turn into power. I'm assuming they were extracting heat, which they can use to spin turbines to produce electricity.

Well, they were the Ancients. I doubt they'd have used something as primitive as driving a turbine. It's probably some elaborate direct energy to energy conversion thing. For all we know, the Ancients may have actually had the energy converter itself inside the magma, and the waste it gives off contributes to the pressure. Still, would have been nice to know....

Steve_the_Wraith
January 26th, 2006, 05:12 AM
ok so atlantis has the Orion and now the daudalus. It looks like Atlantis is a bigger priority than Earth with 2 ships on its side. Earth just gets the Prometheus which according to spoilers

gets destroyed and is replaced with the Odyssey. Still thats one ship for earth and 2 for atlantis have to have one more for earth

Well not necessarily if the Orion has the same engines as the Aurora then it can't leave Pegasus so the Daedalus will still be required for supply runs

BTW regarding earth...
It does have 2 ships, the Odyssey and the Korelev

Davidtourniquet
January 26th, 2006, 05:26 AM
Glad to see stargate's making homes for the andromeda crew.
Lexa Doig: SG1
Actress who played Doyle: Inferno: Atlantis

GoldenSG-1
January 26th, 2006, 09:06 AM
Glad to see stargate's making homes for the andromeda crew.
Lexa Doig: SG1
Actress who played Doyle: Inferno: Atlantis


gotta love canada lol


Well not necessarily if the Orion has the same engines as the Aurora then it can't leave Pegasus so the Daedalus will still be required for supply runs

BTW regarding earth...
It does have 2 ships, the Odyssey and the Korelev


Ok so there are 5 ships 2 for each side and 1 to go back and forth thats alittle more fair. I just read that the russians have a ship of their own cool

adk06
January 26th, 2006, 07:42 PM
So I just watched the first 5 minutes of Inferno
anyway I just saw first 5 minutes of Inferno already i'm excited cause I just saw the ship ORION and it looks amazingg. Just thought i'de share it with you

civilbloodshed
January 26th, 2006, 07:58 PM
I guess by now it would be rather superfluous to say how much I loved this ep. But for the record, I'm completely certain Carl Binder is fully ware of what the fandom wants. Well, mostly...

As for the ship, ain't this mother on loan? It's not really ours, but the whoever are letting us use it because we saved their butts and we can fix it up all nice and shiny. It's totally theirs though; Elizabeth would definitely make sure they gave it back when the times comes.


And Allies? Dudes, Michael is SO coming back for Teyla to make her his half-wraith queen. Totally.

CYBEREAGLE19
January 26th, 2006, 08:37 PM
theres already a thread for discussing inferno, and a thread for discussing the new ship orion

SmallTimePerson
January 26th, 2006, 10:36 PM
I guess by now it would be rather superfluous to say how much I loved this ep. But for the record, I'm completely certain Carl Binder is fully ware of what the fandom wants. Well, mostly...

As for the ship, ain't this mother on loan? It's not really ours, but the whoever are letting us use it because we saved their butts and we can fix it up all nice and shiny. It's totally theirs though; Elizabeth would definitely make sure they gave it back when the times comes.

I believe it would be a joint partnership, we take care of the ship, keep it warm at night and pay its bills in return for using it. They might have a representitive that is commander when they want to use it. Cause they should face the fact they suck at fixing ancient tech, whilst we can and have proved it to them. Or maybe we will trade with them, giving them something they can actully use.

Stevo
January 27th, 2006, 04:00 AM
forgive me if this has been already discussed,

but in the opening shot of the stargate the glyphs are facing away from the facility, but then when they dial atlantis and are going through the gate the glyphs are facing the facility and people arnt dying from going through the wrong end.

anyone else pick up on this?

SmallTimePerson
January 27th, 2006, 04:09 AM
well i didn't

are the PG gates look the same on both sides, or is it a continuaty error?

Callie
January 27th, 2006, 05:00 AM
According to the screencaps (http://www.stargatecaps.com/), the symbols are on both sides. If you look at the first couple of caps on page 1 of the pages for Inferno, the symbols are definitely on the side facing away from the facility, although at this stage we don't see the other side of the Gate. If you then go to page 3 and look at the caps of the Gate collapsing, there are symbols on the front as well.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 27th, 2006, 05:37 AM
Cause they should face the fact they suck at fixing ancient tech, whilst we can and have proved it to them.

Yeah, the Tauri are the Pegasus version of the Asgard. :p

Capricorn_One
January 27th, 2006, 06:34 AM
theres already a thread for discussing inferno, and a thread for discussing the new ship orion


where !!! ????

amr_01
January 27th, 2006, 07:15 AM
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=23081 For the ship
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=21932 For the episode.

Eoin
January 27th, 2006, 07:23 AM
<snip>
Your not allowed to mention downloading eps...its an official forum rule
:)

darman
January 27th, 2006, 07:51 AM
Sorry if someone already posted this, but the funniest moment for me was when the volcano was about to erupt.Beckett was scrambling around the ship's bridge to find a seat and Shep's face was priceless when he saw him running. Anybody else thought that captain's chair looked like it was made for chimps?

prion
January 27th, 2006, 09:19 AM
I believe it would be a joint partnership, we take care of the ship, keep it warm at night and pay its bills in return for using it. They might have a representitive that is commander when they want to use it. Cause they should face the fact they suck at fixing ancient tech, whilst we can and have proved it to them. Or maybe we will trade with them, giving them something they can actully use.

Maybe the Orion is on lease. You can drive it so many miles, make sure you don't dent it, get it back by a certain time, but if you return it full of holes, a week late, there'll be hell to pay ;)

I think the, uh, er, whoever they are, the volcano folk, will work out a deal that some of their people are always on board the Orion to keep us Earth folk honest ;)

FallenAngelII
January 27th, 2006, 09:50 AM
The Ancients might just have been trying to come up with alternative energy sources. I mean, hello, giant supervolcano that generates massive amounts of power here. Why not try and harvest that power for free?

Or, that outpost was before they came up with a way to mass produce ZPMs.

FallenAngelII
January 27th, 2006, 09:54 AM
Wow, this was such a great episode! Exceptional special effects and a tight story, and of course nothing can beat the McKay/Sheppard banter. I loved watching John manipulate Rodney any way he could, from making him jealous to questioning his brilliance. And Rodney knew what he was up to but was powerless to resist. Just great! Excellent job, everyone. Can't wait for the fan fics to start rolling in on this one.

You sound like a McShep (Mckay/Sheppard Slash) fan or one in the making. Join us on the Slashy side! Hallowed are the Slashers!

FallenAngelII
January 27th, 2006, 09:56 AM
Great episode all around. They managed to introduce a new ship and getting it into the hands of the Atlantis team without making them seem greedy or selfish.

I really hope that they choose to use the Orion for a preventive strike against that hive ship, would be grea for Atlantis to go on the offensive for a change. Perhaps they could locate an inhabited world between them and the wraith and try and make it look like the people of that world are the ones fighting back? It would delay the wraith for some time.

I don't see why they would do that as in the season finale, Michael will contact us (from that hive ship) asking for an alliance.

civilbloodshed
January 27th, 2006, 11:23 AM
I believe it would be a joint partnership, we take care of the ship, keep it warm at night and pay its bills in return for using it. They might have a representitive that is commander when they want to use it.

That's a good point, but I think that there might have to be more than just a single representative in order to really show partnership. I think the crew should most likely be an even mix of the Tauri (?) and SGC. I mean, they're not completely useless; even if they are a bit behind. Its bad diplomacy to overwhelm people you want to like you, which might happen if we almost completely take over their ship.

SmallTimePerson
January 27th, 2006, 06:14 PM
we are the tau'ri, they are the tollans i think

kashi
January 28th, 2006, 01:55 AM
Obviously scoring an ancient warship was a big plus, but surely the more sensible thing to have done would have been to ferry the refugees in the Deadelus to the nearest planet with a gate (rather than all the way to Atlantis).

jowb88
January 28th, 2006, 02:47 AM
we are the tau'ri, they are the tollans i think
they are the teraniuns

valaCB
January 28th, 2006, 04:15 AM
Wow, this was such a great episode! Exceptional special effects and a tight story, and of course nothing can beat the McKay/Sheppard banter. I loved watching John manipulate Rodney any way he could, from making him jealous to questioning his brilliance. And Rodney knew what he was up to but was powerless to resist. Just great! Excellent job, everyone. Can't wait for the fan fics to start rolling in on this one.
Ditto. :mckay: :sheppard: Also, i loved Beckett. He was funny as allways :beckettanime04:

Xanderic
January 29th, 2006, 12:03 PM
This episode was pretty damn cool. It's pretty much wrapping up season 2, which I had originally thought was really spaced out, as in the stories don't really connect to each other. Now they do :D Aurora(ancient ship) led up to Orion (another ship). Instinct (retrovirus) & The Tower (the drones and pj's) --> Michael(retrovirus works) to Inferno(Orion and Hive ship) to Allies(we will find out). I think Grace Under Pressure may also lead to Allies-- their new defense against the wraith... underwater.

civilbloodshed
January 30th, 2006, 08:46 AM
we are the tau'ri, they are the tollans i think

Seriously? I'm glad I TiVo-ed this. *re-watches* Thanks!

FallenAngelII
January 30th, 2006, 09:55 AM
Shameless self-promoting:

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=23327

Check out my 2x19 Inferno caps thread! 23 caps and counting. And that was just for the opening 2 minutes of the episode! XD

Xmen583
January 30th, 2006, 12:22 PM
where the inferno transcripts, it won't air till march in USA.

i wanna know what happen before it air on march.

FallenAngelII
January 30th, 2006, 12:56 PM
You could just keep track of my captions thread (link above). I'm gonna add 50 more pics tomorrow.

PG15
January 30th, 2006, 05:20 PM
Uh...is there any particular reason why your caps has to be all clustered like that?

FallenAngelII
January 30th, 2006, 05:40 PM
Clustered how? For the 1st post, I used code not compatible with this forum and had to skip out on the thumbnails. From the 2nd onwards, there are thumbnails (with a maximum of 20 pictures per post).

BTW, this was originally a topic of its own. That's why it might seem a bit misplaced.

keppiezbt
January 30th, 2006, 06:24 PM
i thought this was a good episode....three stars....the ship, the chancellor,.......all good

PG15
January 30th, 2006, 06:39 PM
Clustered how? For the 1st post, I used code not compatible with this forum and had to skip out on the thumbnails. From the 2nd onwards, there are thumbnails (with a maximum of 20 pictures per post).

BTW, this was originally a topic of its own. That's why it might seem a bit misplaced.

Well, when it was here, you "preemptive posted". I was just wondering why you did that unless you wanted all of your caps to be following each other without another person's post stuck in between.

FallenAngelII
January 30th, 2006, 06:40 PM
Actually, I pre-emptive posted when it was still its own thread. I wanted people to be able to reply in it but still be able to post at least 200 thumbnails in the first 10 posts.

Xanderic
January 30th, 2006, 06:46 PM
Shameless self-promoting:

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=23327

Check out my 2x19 Inferno caps thread! 23 caps and counting. And that was just for the opening 2 minutes of the episode! XD
no thread.

I have 12 pics of Orion in the link in my sig too.

PG15
January 30th, 2006, 06:47 PM
Ah, ok.

Callie
January 31st, 2006, 04:09 AM
where the inferno transcripts, it won't air till march in USA.

i wanna know what happen before it air on march.

If you're asking where the transcript is, I gave the address a few pages back but here it is again:

http://www.brundle.free-online.co.uk/219_Inferno.html

Xmen583
January 31st, 2006, 11:38 AM
If you're asking where the transcript is, I gave the address a few pages back but here it is again:

http://www.brundle.free-online.co.uk/219_Inferno.html


thank Callie, i don't know what happen to the site you have in my bookmark, it not there anymore till you give me the link.

Kuja
January 31st, 2006, 05:29 PM
The chick is a Tok'ra that was disguised as a Goa'uld in SG-1.

http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s2/graphics/219_06.jpg
Atlantis

http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/characters/graphics/zarin.jpg
And Zarin from Endgame SG-1 ep

http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/characters/z/zarin.shtml

kuntz67
January 31st, 2006, 07:47 PM
Well seems here only one persone here has undersatanding about thermodynamics.

It is really strange their scientific approche, cause if they talk about a magama chambre, so a closed compartiment full of magma, ther is no way you can increase the pression OF the magam chamber by extracting energy of it.
Its simple law, if you take energy of an element in liquid state, it tends to go solide, like when you put watre on the freezer. and when this happens the element takes less place in its enviroment, because the molecules get very near of one each others. so pressure should dimish.
I can be wrong in my conclusiosn, but this is what theorically should happens, so its not the pression OF the magama chamber that is increasing but the presion ON the magama chamber whiche is totally different. (less pression insinde but same in the surrounndig, so boom. like then you would break a window in a plane.)

Merlin1701
February 8th, 2006, 06:27 AM
Is it just me or are most ships in stargate crap lookin. The only ships that show any design flair are the Asgard the race that don't wear clothes.

Conclusion
We spend too much time designing clothes and not enough on ship design!

maxbo
February 11th, 2006, 05:00 AM
This episode had a good blend of comedic and dramatic moments. I loved the pacing of the team’s attempts to outrun the volcano and the subsequent destruction of the planet. I find that guest characters can make or break an episode and I enjoyed the guests here. Chancellor Laikos was understandably wary of the SGA team without being obnoxious and Norena was a likeable and funny.

John and Rodney’s interaction was the best that I’ve seen in awhile. John knows Rodney so well that he played him like a fiddle here to calm him down and get him to focus on saving them. Their competing for the attention of Norena was hilarious. The contrast between Rodney’s total geek mode way of dealing with women and John’s smoother approach was fun to watch. Ronon and Teyla’s amusement at Rodney’s reaction to Norena was also funny.

I also loved the Carson, Ronon and Teyla scenes in the settlement and the John and Elizabeth scene at the beginning, and the Orion acquisition. And, I was especially thankful that no one lost brain cells for the sake of the plot.

ascott08
February 13th, 2006, 11:31 AM
firstly i am psyched as hell to finally see an ancient ship in action but, i would have thought they would look less blocky. more organic and artistic like the asgards oniell class.

vaberella
February 14th, 2006, 11:55 AM
This was definitely my fave episode, I really really loved everythign except the name of the ship. But overall it was a great show and I think it's in the like of many of season 1 eps...
VB

Merlin1701
February 16th, 2006, 01:39 AM
firstly i am psyched as hell to finally see an ancient ship in action but, i would have thought they would look less blocky. more organic and artistic like the asgards oniell class.

All (currently seen) Ancient tech looks to draw a lot of design from geometric shaping.

1. The gate – a big circular object.
2. The jumpers – built to go through the gate, a tube.
3. Atlantis – lots of straight lines and oblongs.

Earths current ships are following suite with blocky geometric shapes. Perhaps the design teams are creating crappy looking ships to start with and as we gain greater understanding our designs will become more organic.

jcbass62290
February 21st, 2006, 04:03 PM
Ok if anyone has this taped, i would pay you to send me a copy lol. I missed it because my brother stole the TV. But if you have a tape or a copy you are willing to send me just drop me an e-mail @ jcbass62290@yahoo.com

or Contact me on AIM-jbass62290
or MSN-jcbass3@hotmail.com

GateR_mk
February 22nd, 2006, 02:07 PM
Here's a summary:

Atlantis expedition has responded to overtures from a planet called Taranis which possesses Ancient shield technology. However, the shield has been malfunctioning and the Taranians have requested help to repair it because their understanding of Ancient tech is very limited. The shield is powered, not by a ZPM, but by the planet's plentiful geothermal energy.


Sheppard reports to Weir that it is an Aurora-class warship but it's damaged, likely from battle with the Wraith. The Taranians have been examining it for years but can only turn some things on and off; they have insufficient expertise to fix any malfunction. Weir returns to Taranis with Sheppard to start a diplomatic dialogue with the Chancellor.


On its way back from Earth, the Daedalus is diverted to Taranis where it begins to pick up people to shuttle to Atlantis. Unfortunately, finite life support resources on the Daedalus only permit it to transport one-quarter of the refugees at a time, with each trip taking 12 hours. As the first group is being taken back to Atlantis, Sheppard decides a plan B is needed, namely, having McKay get the Ancient ship operational to transport the remaining people, should there not be enough time for the Daedalus to make all four trips. His instincts are correct as the volcano becomes increasingly unstable with progressively more violent eruptions.

The plan is a success and now Atlantis has an Ancient warship at its disposal.

Meanwhile, back in Atlantis, long range sensors detect a lone Wraith hiveship...

i cant wait to see the Orion with the Daedalus

LaCroix
February 27th, 2006, 11:43 AM
I've just saw the ad for this episode on Sci-Fi in the States. Did I see who I think I saw, Doyle from Andromeda? Or am I mistaken.

PG15
February 28th, 2006, 11:50 PM
Yep, that's her.

And there's an interview with her on the front page of Gateworld.

Antimatter Sam
March 3rd, 2006, 06:04 PM
How much does anyone want bet the battleship they just found on Stargate Atlantis somehow is used to help fight the Ori?

freyr's mother
March 3rd, 2006, 06:05 PM
They have no way to get it to the MW. It has an Interstellar hyperdrive not an Intergalactic one.

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 06:12 PM
Fifteen minutes in and I've already shut off the TV. Ye gods, can it get more pathetic than Shep and Rodney fighting over Scientist Barbie? And Rodney's idiotic scramble to the doorway followed by an absolutely asinine excuse... :mckayanime22:

Silly me, I thought I was watching Atlantis, not Stargate 90210. Reign in the hormones and bring on the plot, please.

Bragi
March 3rd, 2006, 06:25 PM
This episode is greatness.

All the double entendres and classic Rodney/Sheppard bickering plus fighting over the same chick.

Instant "Stargate comedy" classics being made tonight.

prion
March 3rd, 2006, 06:36 PM
Fifteen minutes in and I've already shut off the TV. Ye gods, can it get more pathetic than Shep and Rodney fighting over Scientist Barbie? And Rodney's idiotic scramble to the doorway followed by an absolutely asinine excuse... :mckayanime22:

Silly me, I thought I was watching Atlantis, not Stargate 90210. Reign in the hormones and bring on the plot, please.


Actually, what you're watching is a Hope & Crosby road movie ;) and I'm sure SHE was playing with both of 'em ;)

AGateFan
March 3rd, 2006, 06:54 PM
OMFG can Sheppard NOT drool over every freaking alien babe? (andromeda)..

Haha, shy McKay.
Ooooo, new space ship… guess we know how they will get off the planet now.

I hate the word HOT, shame on you Weir, I thought you were better then that line.
Please, can you give Sheppard, something to do other then gawk.

These people seem to reasonable… that is always a bad sign in Stargate for some reason.
Uh oh… maybe not so reasonable…. They think SGA is lying… too bad they aren’t.
He’s actually got a good point…. Too bad he’s wrong.

But we already know how they will get off the planet… so I am not as concerned as I could have been.

Calm down Mckay and go fix the damn ship…. But take a second to hit on the pretty girl first.

This will be quite cool if we get an ancient ship out of the deal. I like the doctor (sg-1).. I mean administrator dude too. Hes paranoid but logically show.

Noooo!!!! Do name it the Enterprise, and then we can have kirk and enterprise.

Deadelus and the Ancient ship should be enough. Should have stuck with the Ancient name, bet McKay was pronouncing it badly.

Nice city shot. So Atlantis will now get a lot bigger population.
Baaadddd dddaaaayyyyy.

Come on, really, isn’t Stargate “better” then these jokes. It used to be.

Ronan is even intimidating when he’s trying to be nice.
Stupid villager guy… maybe they will still beam them to safety.. Probably not.

Calm down Mckay… doesn’t the ship have shields?
Why aren’t Ronan and the villagers coughing like Teyla?
Hey, shields, what an idea….

Ok, even know I know they will all be fine, the tension in the ep is building up nicely.
Yay, Hermy…but bad option… not actually so much an option as just something to do.
Oooo Mckay in charge….
Hyperspace window in atmosphere… that’s interesting.
Then we wont die horribly … this is a great conversation.
Did he just give her the finger on American TV?
Head rush… funny.
Kirk to the chair.
Beckett.. sit!!
Nice…. Very impressive.
Speak Rodney…
1 Hive Ship… against drones, deadelus and Orion…. At least theres that.

So the wraith want the retrovirus, so they can turn other wraith into humans and then eat them …. Interesting

MarshAngel
March 3rd, 2006, 06:57 PM
Best thing about this episode, the story. Very enjoyable.

The worst thing about this episode - that stupid childish Mckay and Sheppherd threeway with the blonde bimbette. And I call her a bimbette because her acting is wooden and her face expressionless and she's only there for her good looks. She never (as proven in Andromeda) knows what to do with her hands so she walks around with them behind her back.

But besides that, good show.

PG15
March 3rd, 2006, 08:04 PM
Fifteen minutes in and I've already shut off the TV. Ye gods, can it get more pathetic than Shep and Rodney fighting over Scientist Barbie? And Rodney's idiotic scramble to the doorway followed by an absolutely asinine excuse... :mckayanime22:

Silly me, I thought I was watching Atlantis, not Stargate 90210. Reign in the hormones and bring on the plot, please.

Tsk tsk, you missed a very good episode, "hormones" aside.

The best of Season 2 IMHO.

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 08:10 PM
Yeah, but they can't put their hormones aside, can they? Ever. I'm getting sick of this teenage male fantasy crap.

PG15
March 3rd, 2006, 08:20 PM
Oh well, different strokes. I would never let any one thing turn me off the show.

Still, the rest of the episode is steller IMHO.

the fifth man
March 3rd, 2006, 08:30 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. Great CGI scenes too. I swear, Rodney McKay is, without a doubt, the best character on this show. He just gets better and better IMO.:) I can't wait for the finale.

MasySyma
March 3rd, 2006, 08:33 PM
Inferno isn't Atlantis's worst episode this season, but it isn't its best by a long shot either.

I did like the story, and the use of Ronon was well done. I appreciated that he wasn't growling or killing people for once. I enjoyed the Ronon/Teyla (non-shippy) scene, and I thought that the Weir/Sheppard (again non-shippy) interaction was good.

However, the episode had three huge problems.

1. Rodney: He's my favorite character most days, but today, I would have cheered for his demise. He was overly annoying, useless until his life was threatened, and he appears to only be able to perform when everyone will see his brilliance. Yuck. If this keeps up, can we please send the man to Greenland? Can we also teach him how not to drool on women?

2. Space Barbie: Narina (Doyle from Andromeda) was an entirely useless character. She did nothing but follow Rodney around and claim to "learn" from him. Learn what? Egocentric prattling and last minute patches aren't standard lessons. The Sheppard/girl embrace was just bad, and I honestly hope that her character NEVER returns. Her people can; the story can; I would like the Atlantis team to find friendly peoples, but please, if possible, NEVER bring her character back.

3. Sheppard: I'll leave the Kirking remarks to other reviewers. I dislike his attitude with Rodney. He shouldn't egg him on one moment and then critique him the next. Secondly, surely with the number of times the team has gotten into tight spots with technology, Sheppard should have gained a minor understanding of how to repair a few of these items. The banter might have worked if Sheppard was trying to help Rodney.

Overall, the episode had great potential, but it was squandered on useless bickering and childish behaviors. I'll generously offer a 7.5/10. SG-1 wiped the floor with SGA tonight.

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 08:40 PM
The bit that bugged me most about her (in the part I did see) was when she was showing Rodney the control panels and talking about how lights started blinking and she didn't know what to do. I half expected her to flap her hands and speak baby talk about the "little blinky light thingies". :rolleyes:

MasySyma
March 3rd, 2006, 08:42 PM
The bit that bugged me most about her (in the part I did see) was when she was showing Rodney the control panels and talking about how lights started blinking and she didn't know what to do. I half expected her to flap her hands and speak baby talk about the "little blinky light thingies". :rolleyes:

I kept expecting her to run her hands up his chest and breathily say "I didn't know what buttons to push. What should I have done Rodney?" (Imagine a head tilt followed by a hair toss.)

MarshAngel
March 3rd, 2006, 09:16 PM
I kept expecting her to run her hands up his chest and breathily say "I didn't know what buttons to push. What should I have done Rodney?" (Imagine a head tilt followed by a hair toss.)
It was a poor stark contrast. Brilliant jerk, stupid blonde. They showed each other up to their worst.

I know Mckay claims a weakness for dumb blondes but this was just too much. If she was supposed to be the smartest they had, poor them.

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 09:19 PM
I kept expecting her to run her hands up his chest and breathily say "I didn't know what buttons to push. What should I have done Rodney?" (Imagine a head tilt followed by a hair toss.)
No, no, no, it's "I didn't know what buttons to push." *takes deep breath* "Do you know what buttons to push, Rodney?" THEN flip the hair.

She'd probably stop short of saying she needed a "big, strong man" (or maybe a man with a "really big brain") to show her what to do, but then again, this IS TPTB we're talking about. ;) Something similar will undoubtedly happen in a latter ep.

cafine_us
March 3rd, 2006, 09:52 PM
Inferno was acceptable. Not one of my favorites, but they can't all be. I think the worst part of the episode was the placement. As the episode before the season finale, I would've like a more serious build-up. Sure, we got a ship out of the deal, and it will more than likely help against the Wraith attack. But I think a suspenseful, informational episode would have been more enticing in this spot. All we learned about was every human male's weakness for blondes.

ShadowMaat
March 3rd, 2006, 10:01 PM
Playing down major events so they can play up the hormonal rampage got old a long time ago.

Red Tigress
March 3rd, 2006, 10:07 PM
I thought it was a pretty good episode, but people could have reated more to loosing half their team at one point. *Cough*BeckettandMckay*cough*:mckay:

Galilahi
March 3rd, 2006, 10:15 PM
Playing down major events so they can play up the hormonal rampage got old a long time ago.
I have to agree with you here. I did think that the conversation about learning under you and getting off was hilarious but I'm tired of having my shiny boy blue (shep) being such a slut. yes he's gorgeous but the kirk refrences are right on. Blondie McRetard needed to be shot into space about 2 seconds after she came on. and the hands behind the back comment, right on. two words sweetie: Acting Crutch!
Besides that though I kinda liked it, loved the effects.

smushybird
March 3rd, 2006, 11:06 PM
I love the special effects on SGA. They're always so vivid and believably created. Enjoyed the ep, too. Sheppard and McKay were fun. :D I've missed that in the latest episodes.
The scene with the caldera blowing and the ship coming out into space, that was so very cool. Some really talented people doing the work on this show.

freyr's mother
March 3rd, 2006, 11:29 PM
I hope we see Norena again in the near future. God dam Brandy Ledford is hot!

FerCryinOutLoud!
March 3rd, 2006, 11:31 PM
This episode was okay. I liked the team aspect. I think it's odd, i like for my science fiction to be based in reality somewhat, but riding a volcano in a ship out of danger just seems a bit out there... Oh, well it is science fiction afterall, i can let it slide.

I'm sick of Sheppard getting a wink from every girl in the galaxy bit. Besides it's Rodney's turn!

Anyway, i liked that they gave Ronan some endearing moments instead of the regular, kill, kill, kill!!!!! He helped the villagers. Also when it seemed he and Teyla were going to suffocate to death in the volcano it was nice that he acknowledged holding onto hope. It shows he has something to believe in as a character.

I think having an ancient ship to fight the wraith is an easy answer and doesn't make you admire the Atlantis expediton from a story aspect. It's like having a second death star.... Cool once. Not as cool twice. It's unoriginal to use a weapon everytime to get yourself out of a story jam. I hope we at least get to back-engineer the ancient shields and energy weapons from the Orion and put them on the Earth ships. Big guns are always fun. Maybe they can be used to help fight the Ori as well.

Forestia
March 4th, 2006, 01:20 AM
I liked this ep, especially the scenes with Teyla and Ronon, because there was a side to Ronon that we haven't really seen. The scene where he agreed with Teyla that, as long as they can breathe, there is hope, was good. The kirking, I am not that fond of, but I knew it was inevitable. I did like the somewhat lighter tone this ep. had, as opposed to Michael :ronon:


I thought it was a pretty good episode, but people could have reated more to loosing half their team at one point. *Cough*BeckettandMckay*cough*:mckay:

Well Rodney and Carson do acknowledge at one point that John, Teyla and Ronon are missing. However, after Rodney explains how he is going to use the hyperdrive and the volcano to shoot the Orion into orbit, no one, neither John, Rodney, or Carson, says anything about Ronon or Teyla, even though they don't know they've been beamed up by the Daedalus. I can only assume there was some conversation that we didn't see where they all decided, unequivocally, that Ronon and Teyla must have been beamed up and that is why they did not show more concern :beckettanime09:

CalmStorm
March 4th, 2006, 06:05 AM
I liked this episode. Another good episide that involved the entire cast....those are some of the best.

However....you knew this was coming right?

However, I was completely put-off by Shep's behavoir around Narina. It made my skin absolutely crawl the way he was looking her up and down. I wish this was an exageration, but he was actually looking her up and down and up and down. Shep's a great guy and yes, extremely handsome, but if I saw this great looking stranger looking me up and down like that I would be completely turned-off. It also seemed completely unprofessional and to me, a bit dissrespectful. It is one thing to find a woman attractive, it is another to act like a teenage boy and oogle her with drool practically coming out of your mouth. It just really played off as childish. That is what really ruined part of this episode for me.

On a more positive note....I though it was absolutley adorable when Ronon was carrying the two children back....a wonderful aaawwww moment. Also loved that Weir went off-world and loved her interaction with the Chancellor. Also, now we have an ancient ship that is full of drones.

vaberella
March 4th, 2006, 06:37 AM
I got no issues with Noreena, besides the fact she seems a bit slow for a scientist and that was a shame. John was great in this ep and I saw nothing wrong with his behaviour he was antagonizing McKay throughout the ep, and it was hilarious.

Overall great ep, although cut wrong and I was thoroughly entertained. The cut made it seem as though John was careless and reckless...which is not the case, as seen in parts of the ep when their evacuating.

And of course in past eps...so I was a bit unnerved by that part...but Teyla and Ronon did come through. Gosh great characters, I was like now that's team work---defnitely brother/sister(no undyling love, even at death for these two)! I ended up called Ronon, Ronnie after seeing that ep...Oh and Teyla...great portrayal and work by RL....it was class especially her worrying in the end, and of course the drama while they were still in the hut.



VB

Arative
March 4th, 2006, 06:55 AM
Pretty decent episode, a lot of the super volcano stuff reminded me of the movie on the discovery channel named Super Volcano, which had quite a few people who had guest starred on Star Gate.

I liked the Orion, hopefully they can get it up and running to help kick some wraith butt. I want it to stick around for more than 1 or 2 episodes, at least long enough to make a difference.

For those of you complaining about the blinking lights, how about I put you in a room with a bunch of equipment that you've never seen before with no instructional manual and everything in a language you don't understand and then tell me if you can figure out what all the blinking lights mean?

CalmStorm
March 4th, 2006, 07:26 AM
For those of you complaining about the blinking lights, how about I put you in a room with a bunch of equipment that you've never seen before with no instructional manual and everything in a language you don't understand and then tell me if you can figure out what all the blinking lights mean?

I'm not one of the ones complaining about the blinking lights, but I understand those raising issue with it. I did not get the impression that Narina was just thrown in a room with a bunch of equipment she has never seen before. I was left with the impression that she was familiar with the room just not familiar with all the functionality of it. She was considered a scientist by her people and knew enough to operate the shields.

Personally, if I were in that situation, I would think that bells and whistles and blinking lights going off all of a sudden one day would be cause for alarm. I would hope that I would recognize that as some type of warning. I might not have been able to know what the warning was in regards to, only know that it was a warning of sorts. At the very least I would have continued trying to figure out what it was and not just casually tuck it in the back of my mind as "one day when the lights started blinking" The Taranians did not even seem concerned over the tremors and did not seem to making any effort to figure out why they were occuring. They seemed content with just accepting it as is without the curiousity as to why.

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
March 4th, 2006, 07:31 AM
Wow, I'm amazed. Second week when an Atlantis episode was actually better than the SG-1 ep (at least, in my opinion).
Solid performance, although, yeah, Shep's kirkyness was a little too weird. He has got to stop doing that. Good plot, liked the Taranian leader, and the entire guest cast was really good. Minor quip, Teyla's coughing was very forced. Not realistic in the slightest.

EDIT: Not second week in a row, Coup D'etat was two weeks ago.

Daniel's_twin
March 4th, 2006, 09:08 AM
OK, I don't have time to read all the pages of posts, so I beg and plead forgiveness if I repeat what has already been said (inevitable).

I loved this ep. Rodney and Sheppard having a silent rivalry to win the heart of that Taranian woman was very funny. A couple of times I think they got to the edge of Kirking with Sheppard (notably when he held onto her and then looked deeply into her eyes after one of the tremors), but they pulled back before it got too bad.

The Aurora sister-ship looks cool. That was a cool idea that McKay had to save them all. First time in a while that he actually showed his true genius (there have been several times in the past that he comes up with an idea to save everyone that I had come up with when the problem was presented). I also loved the parts with Ronan and Teyla, particularly when Ronan was saving that family and carrying those kids (my sister also loves that part).

Overall, a teriffic ep with phenomenal special effects, a storyline that actually kept me guessing while still setting up for next week's season finale. This has tied with SG-1 this week for 5/5 stars. More teriffic storylines like this, please!:cool:

Cherriey
March 4th, 2006, 09:19 AM
Last night's episode was hilarious! =0) Rodney is really starting to come into his own... albeit slowly, but still. =0)

Amanda Eros
March 4th, 2006, 11:09 AM
I liked the episode except the whole Shep/McKay fawning over Doyle thing. I know that when doing costumes they are meant to highlight the features of the particular actor's body, but man I would hate having to wear something so constraining all the time if I were her. If she were acting as a super model, yeah I can see wearing that. (Though super models tend to wear the ugliest outfits on the run way, this one wasn't ugly, just unpracticed.) The outfit didn't fit the character. Plus as the lead scientist you would think that she would have known a bit more about the equipment that she was working with. I don't know it's like they are trying to bring in sexual tension and stuff like that since they see it working on BSG, though they don't know how to write it the right way. It makes sense for that show, but not for this one. Besides I rather learn about the characters, then see them finding new mates.

MinOs
March 4th, 2006, 11:22 AM
Best episode yet, in my opinion. It was funny, had plenty of suspense and we got a warship in the end of it. Very well done :cool:

JackGyver
March 4th, 2006, 11:43 AM
Excellent episode. Atlantis keeps renewing my faith in the writing staff. It was a surprisingly interesting episode with a very satisfying and clever resolution. It's also nice to see the Asgard beaming technology not being used as an easy out at the climax. (But that's more of an SG-1 issue.)

For those of you complaining about Rodney being too egocentric and selfish, let's try to remember how he started on SG-1. Throughout these two seasons, I don't think he's once come close to being the - hmm... can't think of a G-rated word - jerk that he was on SG-1. I'm not really sure I want him to get anymore modest or selfless.

About the ship, they said it was a warship. This could explain the unusually bulky design.

I didn't mind "Scientist Barbie." Personally, I attribute her density to her race being unaccustomed to such advanced technology. The "blinking lights" line sounded a little silly, but I could understand her not knowing what to do. I do, however, get tired of Sheppard and his weekly Kirking. And, honestly, I'd really like to see some ugly - or, dare i say normal-looking - people on these shows. Just once or twice. Caldwell's a nice start, buuuut... ;)

An all-around ideal episode. A little bit of everything.

Tealcfan
March 4th, 2006, 12:52 PM
The scene with the caldera blowing and the ship coming out into space, that was so very cool. Some really talented people doing the work on this show.

wasn't it awesome!!!?

Captain-Peregrine
March 4th, 2006, 07:36 PM
I LOVED this episode! I have to say that this was one of my favorite episodes from the entire season. Probably one of the main reasons is that I am a HUGE lover of volcanos. I have been studying volcanos since I was in the second grade and I already knew all about Pompeii and I learned about Yellowstone Park a few years ago. I think that is the reason I loved this episode so much--not only is it McKay and volcanos, but it was McKay talking about volcanos! :D

I watched this episode twice already and I swear that I will buy season two JUST for this episode... I mean, I would have bought it anyway, but even if the rest of the season had sucked--which it didn't--I still would have bought this season just for Inferno.

I loved McKay in this episode. His brilliance really showed through in Inferno. And I loved his little relationship with the scientist woman--whose name, of course, I cannot remember. :( All in all, I thought he was frakkin' great. He was funny as... heck... in this episode, but not stupid-funny. I honestly thought that he was totally brilliant--mind-boggeling so. That hyperspace jump idea that he came up with was awesome! I was cheering by the end, even though I totally knew they would escape.

This was one of the best, if not THE best episode that I have seen all year. I am so glad that we taped it! My spring break just started this week, so I'll probably watch this episode at least once more before the week is out--and I'm guessing a lot more often than that.

FoolishPleasure
March 4th, 2006, 08:40 PM
I really liked this episode a lot - it was good. Could have been great, BUT, Barbie flirts with McKay, McKay obviously thinks she is hot, but Sheppard eyes "Barbie" like prime meat at the grocers and seems like he wants to lure her away from McKay. WTF? Someone please put the Sheppard Babe Hour on in the afternoons along with "General Hospital" and give us our scifi hour back with a decent lead character. My husband gave up on this show after "The Tower" - I'm trying to hold on, but "pretty boy with no past" is becoming difficult to stay with. I would really like to see a few episodes minus Sheppard and see how it goes. Maybe we really don't need him anymore.

I liked the Teyla and Ronon scenes, the new Orion is cool, Zelenka is always good to see, the effects were the usual top quality, Hermy rocks, but the little Shep flirty bits took something away.

On to next week.

GateTrek2004
March 4th, 2006, 10:04 PM
I had not seen the episode at all, when it came time for the scene with weir and sheppard in atlantis and sheppard saying he needed to get back because mckay was distracted and told weir about BL character and weir said Hot, i said it before she did and laughed at it. overall it was a great eppy! at least we got a new ship now! Onward Orion, make it to S3!

Cherriey
March 5th, 2006, 07:51 AM
It was great fun to watch! =0) Beckett's and Sheppard's expressions when McKay actually came up with a good plan was priceless. =0)

SGalisa
March 5th, 2006, 08:54 AM
alright! I'm ready to buy my SGA Season 2 DVD :)

lots of tension and complications in this ep...

Originally posted by Jelmer:
And to those complaining about Sheppard going after the pretty woman again, apart from that one could hardly blame him in this case ;), it felt more like a writer's joke when she fell into Sheppard's arms and McKay rolling his eyes at it.a *directorial/writer's joke* exactly! (except that she didn't "fall into his arms") this is one of those infamous SG visual/plot devices.

sort of like in SG1 ... ;)
("Disclosure"?) when Senator Kinsey wags his pointed index finger at Thor:
Kinsey: "Commander Thor..."
Thor, pointing his *own* index finger back:
......."That's SUPREME Commander Thor" :p

and the SG1 theme intro where Daniel faces Anubis and throws some sort of energy "whoosh" at Anubis... and then the next visual cut is the actual stargate energy field doing the "ka-woosh"...
those were two more of my favorite best remembered examples of this particular technique from SG...


Originally posted by starfox:
The innuendo!
"Perhaps one day I could study under you."
(Shep eye-roll!!!!!)
"...But first we need to get off - ah, first we need to get off the planet, and then you can be under me - "
And then the tremor, and she ends up in Shep's arms, and Rodney just rolls his eye and walks away.
The eye-rolling! and the innuendo!...

*pauses to contemplate Shep's arms*

Originally posted by mmu_man:
She actually ended up *under Shep* instead of Rodney, as he bent on her to protect her from possibly falling stuff.that's what really happened - Shep bent over her to shield her from potential harm. But it was (also) deliberately inserted into the plot for a double feature on timing of words with action and to annoy the "H" out of everyone who doesn't want Shep with anyone but their own favorite *image* character. :D

anyway... Narina- Brandy's (previous and current) characters:
* poisoned while being a Tok'ra agent (SG-1, Season 8 "Endgame")
* then rebuilt by *Shameless* (Shamus) Harper the genius as a perfect android with a troubled personality "Doyle" (in ANDROMEDA, last season)
* and now as Narina, another blonde scientist for McKay to get all flustered over in SGA.

Except, tho I think she likes Rodney for his brilliant brains, she has more of a crush on Sheppard. Aww, that triangle relationship just isn't fair to Rodney (Shep - Narina - Rodney)...


Originally posted by Agent_Dark:
Shep and Rodney were trying to compete with each other to see who would get to score with the chick.I didn't think so. Shep just did the natural emergency protocol on evac procedures (like he usually does), even when he went looking for Ronon and Teyla, while Shep knew Rodney fixing the Orion ship was their *only* last resort hope OUT of that place. Shep has a natural rescuer trait within his own personality... it's a natural (inborn) part of him (so, how many rescue missions has he done since being grounded in the Antartic vs. before then). ;)

Whatever Narina thought of Shep, started when he protected her (while shielding her) "under" him during the volcanic tremor (as a handsome *shining knight* in black armor). I felt sorry for Rodney, cause he could clearly see Narina had more of a crush on Shep, than her liking Rodney beyond his saving them all from impending doom, yet again. I do think she genuinely felt deep compassion for Rodney (when he freaked out at the very end), but not much more than that level of respect for him.

additional notes:
* SGA's TPTB needed Narina's beauty image to support Rodney's broken fingernail scene... yes, and she was more sarcastic to it -NOT sympathetic- even if she understood exactly what he meant.

* volcano: think Mount St. Helen's... or the volcanoes of Hawaii.
I didn't know Yellowstone National park was a "super-volcano" variety. Volcano yeah, but *super* volcano? that would make ol'Faithful's geiser what?


Originally posted by darman:
...the funniest moment for me was when the volcano was about to erupt.Beckett was scrambling around the ship's bridge to find a seat and Shep's face was priceless when he saw him running.:D heehee! I think I had tears in my eyes after seeing that! *Musical chairs* anyone?? Beckett's the last one to find a chair...!! :D ;)

GateLadyM
March 5th, 2006, 10:37 AM
* volcano: think Mount St. Helen's... or the volcanoes of Hawaii.
I didn't know Yellowstone National park was a "super-volcano" variety. Volcano yeah, but *super* volcano? that would make ol'Faithful's geiser what?

:D heehee! I think I had tears in my eyes after seeing that! *Musical chairs* anyone?? Beckett's the last one to find a chair...!! :D ;)
The remarks about Yellowstone were correct. Most of the park sits within a giant ancient caldera with lava sitting very close to the surface - hence the hot springs, geysers, bubbling mud, etc. The National Park Service refers to this caldera as a "super volcano" and any eruption would blanket most of the U.S. with ash. Kudos to TPTB for their research.

I found the show to be quite entertaining and Norina, the Barbie scientist, didn't bother me. There was a remark early in the episode that the Ancient technology was far beyond them and they had no idea what half the equipment and buttons were for, which caused the problem in the first place. Norina was a scientist, but out of her league, which is why she wanted to follow McKay and learn as much as she could.

The Shep flirt stuff just took away a bit. There could have been a bit more useful dialog, but I guess its more important for our lead guy to scan a woman's chest. :rolleyes:

I liked the scenes with Teyla and Ronon trying to help the villagers. Ronon showed a more compasionate side, and Teyla has become so much more interesting this year.

Now where are we going to park the Orion? I hope TPTB intend to showcase it later on, and hopefully we can learn a lot from it.

Mattathias2.0
March 5th, 2006, 10:50 AM
I loved this episode - classic.

Great special effects...

However, the Taranians may want their ship back.

Mattathias

Barca
March 5th, 2006, 01:18 PM
I liked the episode except the whole Shep/McKay fawning over Doyle thing. I know that when doing costumes they are meant to highlight the features of the particular actor's body,

At least it wasn't the pepto-pink outfit. In fact I thought the uniform fit the situation and local population.
It is nice to see all the people who are new to the SciFi channel. When I saw Brandi, I was thinking ah-oh, Atlantis is going the way of the Invisible Man and Andromeda. And trying to stave off cancellation by playing the Ledford card.

CalmStorm
March 5th, 2006, 02:21 PM
However, the Taranians may want their ship back.



I wonder what the implications of that would be? They would have no ship if the Atlantis expedition didn't save it. It would have been lost to them regardless under molten lava. They would have lost a good majority of their population if the Atlantis expedition were not to have risked their lives saving everyone they could. It would seem poor character on their part to ask for it back, especially when you consider they have no clue as to how to operate it (at least I'm speculating since I was under the impression they found it in the hangar and that's where it remained). A war ship, that you have no clue how to use, for saving an entire society seems a reasonable trade....or at least a reasonable token of thanks.

I kind of think it would be like what we saw in the most recent SG-1 episode...can't think of the name right now so I'll go ahead and put spoiler warnings for anyone who has seen it


It would be like the Russians demanding the return of the Stargate that has been in essence leased to the US. I do not see the US handing over the stargate regardless of the demands.

ToasterOnFire
March 5th, 2006, 04:09 PM
The remarks about Yellowstone were correct. Most of the park sits within a giant ancient caldera with lava sitting very close to the surface - hence the hot springs, geysers, bubbling mud, etc. The National Park Service refers to this caldera as a "super volcano" and any eruption would blanket most of the U.S. with ash. Kudos to TPTB for their research.
Yep, the supervolcano in Yellowstone rates a 8 on the 1-8 scale of volcanic badassery. There's only one other volcano that rates the same magnitude - Toba in Sumatra. If one of those went off we'd be looking at the equivalent of a nuclear winter worldwide thanks to the massive ash deposits. Scary. :S

On topic, the idea of Shep and Rodney flirting with an offworld woman isn't a bad idea if taken by itself. However, thanks to the overkill of Shep flirting with women or having women throw themselves at him over the second half of the season it ended up more tired than humorous for me. It would be nice for the writers to stop pounding that particular drum next season.

SciFiGeek
March 5th, 2006, 04:10 PM
I never thought I would say this, but I hated the Sheppard-McKay banter in this episode. I'm watching sadly as many of my favorite aspects of the first season are being mutiliated by the writers as they take their good things too far--to the point of being outright annoying and downright frustrating. Please, I hope Carl Binder never writes another episode that involves a lot of interaction between those two--because if he does, I will likely throw an axe at the television.

The best reminder it gave me of was Menace--when some of the Jack quips to Daniel (which I normally loved) came off as genuinely cruel and mean-spirited. But at least Menace had a great plot, and we got to hear Daniel call Jack a "stupid son of a *****." This episode had practically no redeeming qualities, sadly. While episodes like Before I Sleep and Defiant One had McKay-Sheppard banter, it was fun, and it felt more like two friends who get a kick out of pushing each others buttons. In this episode, it felt genuinely mean-spirited, and I cringed every time one of them spoke to the other.

What does it say about the quality of a series when I found my two favorite characters so annoying, I cringed every time they exchanged conversation, and felt myself relieved when they were off-screen? And since when is Stargate predictable? Second season, in particular, has just been a re-hasing of storylines that always lead to what seems to be the obvious outcome or easy way out. Within moments of them finding the Orion, I called that they were going to escape from the planet on the ship on account of the volcano (stupide episode teasers). And the problem seems to be that they wrote this whole episode just so that Atlantis could get the Orion, and needed a plot to go around it--hence the catalyzing event of the super-volcano. *sigh* There's a reason why I don't watch disaster movies.

Which is also a great reflection of the other most irritating aspect of the episode--the woman. Please--having a character whose sole purpose and personality trait was that she was hot just so we could have Sheppard and McKay fighting over her? Please don't ever, ever, ever do that again...or I will swear off Stargate forever.

So now, my favorite characte of season one has been degenerated to the point of one-dimensional comic relief whose sole personality trait is his ego, and my favorite character relationship has been turned into one that is more cruel than it is funny. And they write disasters-with-special-effects for no other reason than setting up the season finale with a brand new Ancient ship. *sigh* I really want to like you so much, Atlantis. I just wish that second season hadn't really let me down so far.

On a positive note, I'm really starting to like the character of Teyla quite a bit. I've been noticing recently (and even in rewatching episodes) how enjoyable it is to have someone so intelligent and cool-headed as she is. I think the introduction of Ronon really turned me onto that trait in her (and I don't mean this just as a bash on Ronon's character) in that he has a tendency to rush head-forward and emotionally-charged, and not very rationally into most situations. Whereas Teyla is even more level-headed than Sheppard and more diplomatic than Weir. And I'm really liking that about her! I liked the fact that she was spear-heading the evacuation of the survivors, since she was much better at talking people down (even if they didn't always listen). If Ronon had been doing it by himself, he probably would've waved his gun around and told everyone to shut up and do as he says, or he would shoot them.

SGalisa
March 5th, 2006, 07:40 PM
thank yous to everyone for the volcano details on Yellowstone. I've never been there, but my sister was and saw ol' Faithful. Some of my *favorite* scenic (calendar) pix are of the Yellowstone winter scenes: of the waterfall and evergreens. :)


Originally posted by GateLadyM:
There could have been a bit more useful dialog, but I guess its more important for our lead guy to scan a woman's chest.Actually, she was covered up the entire time (same dress), and in sort of looser style (not tightly fitted as) than her Andromeda silk/spandex gear. I thought the *Inferno* ep dress was surprisingly conservative, tho strange for a scientist, unless that's how the people on her planet dress up when providing tours to new (invited) visitors (a form of business dress).

Personally, any female with *that* amount of cleavage -if exposed- is a distracting attribute, when being talked to or with. And I'm female who knows other females who don't realize how distracting that is -even for another female! (so stare at their hair...) :eek:

Brandy does have a very attractive face, too... I think McKay was more distracted by Narina's presence than Shep. Of course, maybe that's why both of them were left sort of speechless (Rodney stammered a lot when attempting to find the right words, while he was specifically flirting with Narina, until he sort of gave up after seeing Narina oogle-eye Shep.). ;)

entil2001
March 6th, 2006, 06:48 AM
This is another one of those episodes that gets under my skin for all the wrong reasons. There was a distinct point to the episode: deliver unto the team at Atlantis an Ancient warship as a Wraith ship appears on the long-range sensors. All else is window dressing, and it leaves this episode in much the same position as “The Tower”. It exists to provide the characters with a source of arms and defense when needed; the rest is easily disposable.

At least this episode sets the new technology at the heart of the plot. The primary sin of “The Tower” was placing the drones and puddle-jumpers tangential to the main plot. The first season used to do episodes like this all the time, and they usually got it right: figure out what plot element you want to introduce, figure out a way for the characters to discover it, and work the plot around that mode of discovery.

The trick, though, is making sure that the plot itself is substantial enough to justify its own existence. “The Tower” failed in that respect, and to a lesser extent, the same issue comes up in this episode. It’s all too easy to dismiss everything but the introduction of the Ancient warship. Sure, the supervolcano is interesting enough, and it’s always fun to watch the cast deal with a crisis in consistent fashion, but it all comes across as rather disposable.

If there’s a nice twist in this episode, it’s the fact that McKay has the chance at the babe this time around, not Sheppard. I’m mildly amused by the fact that Sheppard is annoyed by this turn of events. At the same time, I find it hard to take it seriously when the babe in question was the prominent eye candy on the abysmal final season of “Andromeda”. It’s like making Tara Reid an archeologist. It breaks the willing suspension of disbelief in a matter of nanoseconds.

I also liked the fact that McKay’s character exploration this season was touched upon again, even if it wasn’t any sort of attempt at character development or advancement (something I continue to look for despite evidence that it rarely happens in this franchise). He knew damn well that the rest of the team was expecting him to work out a solution to the problem under pressure, and that’s exactly what happened. I like the self-awareness.

Perhaps the best way to sum up my thoughts on the episode is this: I had to keep myself from looking for something else to do. It just wasn’t holding my interest. Like too many episodes of “Atlantis” this season, I was forcing myself to pay attention and give it due time and consideration. And that’s not how I felt during the first season, or how I feel with “SG-1” or “BSG” this season.

My worry for the third season is that the producers won’t realize something is missing, and the same lack of originality will send this high-potential concept to an early grave. Looking back, I had similar feelings during the second season of “Enterprise”. Both series started out with troubled yet promising first seasons, followed by second seasons that seemed to promise more and deliver less. “Enterprise” shook things up for its third season, flawed as the attempt was…will “Atlantis” be able to bounce back more effectively?

ShadowMaat
March 6th, 2006, 11:10 AM
The growing trend seems to be for things to happen as a matter of convenience rather than having any sort of depth to it.

timdalton007
March 6th, 2006, 12:44 PM
I was disapoitned by this epsidoe. Not by what was in the episode but because of where the episode falls into the season. After an episdoe like Michael , I'm eagerly waiting to see the aftermath of what is sure to eb a major turning point in the series. What do we get instead? We get an episode that is a stand alone episode!!! I'm not complaining, as I said above, because of the plot or the fact it is a stand-alone episode I'm complaining because the episode is right before the end of the season!!! This is one of those episode's that while it is a good episode, seems to be an aggravation for those of us eagerly awaiting to know what is about to happen in the aftermath of Michael .

timdalton007

sindicate
March 6th, 2006, 12:53 PM
Just wait Till Allies and you'll see ;)

FoolishPleasure
March 6th, 2006, 01:20 PM
Actually, she was covered up the entire time (same dress), and in sort of looser style (not tightly fitted as) than her Andromeda silk/spandex gear. I thought the *Inferno* ep dress was surprisingly conservative,
It doesn't matter what she was wearing, or what was covered up. I think the poster was referring to the fact that Shep was "checking her out" and it was inappropriate.

I didn't care for his eye exercising or licking his lips either. Someone give the man some ChapStick. ;)

SGalisa
March 6th, 2006, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by FoolishPleasure:
I think the poster was referring to the fact that Shep was "checking her out" and it was inappropriate.just a thought - and no offense to that theory, but... if that were true-
unfortunately, Rodney was checking Narina out too, so him and Shep are equally *bad*, if that were the case.

I asked someone (female) about this sort of situation (who's also probably been oogled by many guys). She said it doesn't matter who the woman is or what size her chest is; the fact she's female - she's being stared or looked at in some fashion is normal for most guys.

Just be grateful when another female walks up and says there's a fuzzy *thing* on your chest {you= "generic you" meaning anyone experiencing this type of situation}. Guys won't do that, unless they go to someone else first for advice. Otherwise, that fuzzy string will stay dormant, until someone else nicely mentions it or you see it first in the mirror after it's been there for several hours, and all during a business meeting... what's the polite thing to do?

Short of covering up a beautiful figure with a "burka," many eyes will roam regardless. Brandy just happens to be naturally extra blessed. I'd hate to see women in our society (or on SG) end up stuck in burka's just because men exist and admire another person's beauty - not necessarily leer. I didn't see Shep leering - look, but not leering. Otherwise, this might go back to the "then stare at her hair!" comment.

(Artists tend to admire others in a different way than the average person. Fashion designers tend to see a body and try to figure out ways to enhance or minimize certain attributes of another person. In Brandy's case, I think the SG designers did a good job of minimizing what Harper in the "Andromeda" series honed in most on.)

anyways...
I happened to like the layering wrap around of the material on Narina's dress, and was trying to picture the pattern in my head (I used to make some designs). Nevermind what the entire crew was thinking while nearby in Brandy's/Narina's presence... ;)

I read Brandy's interview about Narina. If I read it correctly she believes Narina was awed by Shep's presence (actually Joe's presence), more than the other way around; and said she wasn't aware of the attraction of other women as a problem- Sheppard's charasmatic character has brought to the screen.

mckaychick
March 6th, 2006, 09:11 PM
I thought this epiosde was great!!! Although i have to say, i thought they should have named the ship the enterprise!

Daniel's_twin
March 7th, 2006, 12:41 PM
Same problem as with Jack wanting to name the Prometheus Enterprise.

I wonder what McKay's second choice was, though. :cool:

mckaychick
March 7th, 2006, 12:50 PM
Probably some weird name!

Daniel's_twin
March 7th, 2006, 12:54 PM
Perhaps the "McKay?" :mckayanime09:

What? Like he's not still conceited and full of himself? :cool:

ShadowMaat
March 7th, 2006, 01:23 PM
The TARDIS, of course. :D

atlantisrocks
March 7th, 2006, 02:34 PM
Samantha, duh!;)

mckaychick
March 7th, 2006, 07:33 PM
The Carter!

axel3792
March 8th, 2006, 10:58 AM
SPOILERS (highlight)

did we get to keep the Orion? my recorded tape crapped out before the end

i had to use white text because i dont know how to do the spoiler thing (is it an html tag?)

mckaychick
March 8th, 2006, 02:08 PM
Yes we did

Terrah
March 8th, 2006, 02:24 PM
Well i wish I could answer your question, but sky one decides to run a trailer before the the progamme ends, I was moaning so much, I didn't hear, I can't believe they did that. :mad:

Jumper One
March 8th, 2006, 02:32 PM
SPOILERS (highlight)

did we get to keep the Orion? my recorded tape crapped out before the end

i had to use white text because i dont know how to do the spoiler thing (is it an html tag?)



The Spoiler tag is {SPOILER} Insert Spoiler Here {/SPOILER}, just replace { & } with [ & ].

Matt G
March 8th, 2006, 02:46 PM
OK...

1. This was disaster movie territory, vomplete with cliche about one group going it alone a la "Day from Tommorrow".

2. Paranoia from Chancellor was interestingish.

3. Sheppard and McKay were very cool here

4. Interesting set up for Allies.

Overall it may be disaster movie territory but it took SG1's Fail Safe to the cleaners! Michael has the edge on it but it's definately Coup D'Etat quality.

And you guys do realise that every time 'Kirking' gets mentioned, Star Trekking starts up in my head don't you! ;)

Prior_of_the_Ori
March 8th, 2006, 03:00 PM
Well i wish I could answer your question, but sky one decides to run a trailer before the the progamme ends, I was moaning so much, I didn't hear, I can't believe they did that. :mad:

Yeah i couldnt believe that either, but anyway i think we get to keep it but not sure if its still taranian property or completely ours.

Serebii
March 8th, 2006, 03:05 PM
The sky advert came on before they got to that bit though, they were in th bits just after the Orion came out of Hyper Space, and left when Sheppard told Caldwell they had all the survivors

Then they had bits at atlantis talking about the wraith hip and how they've been given the ship o,o

Eoin
March 8th, 2006, 03:12 PM
SPOILERS (highlight)

did we get to keep the Orion? my recorded tape crapped out before the end

i had to use white text because i dont know how to do the spoiler thing (is it an html tag?)
The way i picked it up is that we got a loaned of the orion... which probably means that its either gonna be destroyed next season :(or its ours to keep :D

Well i wish I could answer your question, but sky one decides to run a trailer before the the progamme ends, I was moaning so much, I didn't hear, I can't believe they did that. :mad:
Sky are really starting to annoy me when it comes to stargate.... they have barely advertised it this year. Advertised crappy shows that nobody watches, more than stargate, and now this :mad:

Anubis69
March 8th, 2006, 04:10 PM
Overall it may be disaster movie territory but it took SG1's Fail Safe to the cleaners! Michael has the edge on it but it's definately Coup D'Etat quality.
Hmm.. Struck me more of a good version of "100 days". *shrugs* Who didn't see the gate being swallowed up and them having to fix the ship, seriously? It was painfully obvious, but still a great ep.

I liked the Ronon/Teyla interaction just before they were "beamed up". Next week should be good....

EDIT: For Brits: Who was annoyed that Sky One showed the "What's next" thing right at the climax of the show? As much as i loved to hear what episode of "Rescue Me" was on, i was much more interested in what banter was going on... :mad:

norbe
March 8th, 2006, 04:13 PM
from the transcript:-

WEIR: Well, as quickly as you can, Rodney. The Chancellor has graciously allowed us to use the ship in exchange for our help.

So we don't own it, we just use it. Probably wont stay ours for long IMO, most likely it will get destroyed, maybe by the azurans in Progeny.

Linzi
March 8th, 2006, 11:33 PM
Hmm.. Struck me more of a good version of "100 days". *shrugs* Who didn't see the gate being swallowed up and them having to fix the ship, seriously? It was painfully obvious, but still a great ep.

I liked the Ronon/Teyla interaction just before they were "beamed up". Next week should be good....

EDIT: For Brits: Who was annoyed that Sky One showed the "What's next" thing right at the climax of the show? As much as i loved to hear what episode of "Rescue Me" was on, i was much more interested in what banter was going on... :mad:
I was screaming at the t.v., shouting obscenities at Sky. I mean right at the climax of the episode! Arghhh!

raknor
March 8th, 2006, 11:43 PM
I was screaming at the t.v., shouting obscenities at Sky. I mean right at the climax of the episode! Arghhh!

I hate sky for doing this. They usually wait till the credits, but no, wait till just about safe and voice over dialogue ...... ahhhhhhh

TheWarrior
March 9th, 2006, 12:04 AM
Totally agree with Sky ruining the ending of the show.

I'm emailing Sky today regarding that.

Nel
March 9th, 2006, 01:04 AM
Totally agree with Sky ruining the ending of the show.

I'm emailing Sky today regarding that.

Yep I'm going to do the same. It was complete incompetence on their part. They usually do that over the closing credits. Someone got it wrong. I was thinking of watching one of the repeat showings to see if they get it right then.

I actually enjoyed this episode. I hadn't been sure about it from what others had said, particularly in relation to McKay/Sheppard and Darina. But I thought it worked well. It was funny. Sheppard was obviously winding McKay up and he responded, as usual. Ronon and Teyla's reaction to the McKay/Darina situation was good too.

I found the episode built the suspense well. It was one where all the main characters were in peril at one stage or another, even though Elizabeth got back to Atlantis before the real trouble began.

It was good to see the interaction between Teyla and Ronon. It is very natural and helps the show's dynamic.

All in all - another good show.

Merlin1701
March 9th, 2006, 01:08 AM
In regards to Sky’s trailer...

They have technical problems like us all, to stress I was immensely angry about the trail for whatever show…I think it was 24. May I remind you that Stargate Atlantis is repeated Friday and Saturday, set your recorders.

Merlin1701

Merlin1701
March 9th, 2006, 01:14 AM
Back to subject though...it was a great episode.

My thoughts....
We call the Aurora and Orion ancient war ships is that compared with our vessels, the tactical prowess or that they were built in time of war. Will there be bigger, better ships out there?

The tarains, or whatever they are called should be revisited again. helping them build their homeworld, fitting defences, building an earth outpost their.

your thoughts....

Linzi
March 9th, 2006, 01:26 AM
I loved this episode, it was SGA at its best!
The McShep banter was wonderful, and my whole family laughed at the Norina, Shep, McKay situation:very funny stuff, not to be taken too seriously methinks!
The magma spewing effects were good as was the over all tension of the episode.
The Teyla/Ronon plot was well done, and the Orion was great.
I believe Sheppard was winding McKay up too, though I do believe Sheppard appreciates a pretty woman as much as the next guy, can't say this bothered me much though.
For me this episode had what so many other episodes have lacked: excitement, well written dialogue and the two true stars of the show playing off eachother brilliantly, creating not only tension but pure entertainment.
More like this please, PTB.

ripper2
March 9th, 2006, 04:19 AM
Tell me about it! I almost threw something at the TV but then remembered that I'd miss next week's finales if I did that and broke it. I've already set Sky + to record Friday's re-run but it was definitely not on. Especially with a first run episode - Boo! Must do better.:mad:

Wickedly cool episode though!

Linzi
March 9th, 2006, 05:12 AM
Tell me about it! I almost threw something at the TV but then remembered that I'd miss next week's finales if I did that and broke it. I've already set Sky + to record Friday's re-run but it was definitely not on. Especially with a first run episode - Boo! Must do better.:mad:

Wickedly cool episode though!
Agreed, really poor, IMO. I'm re-recording it on Friday too. Silly Sky!

akren
March 9th, 2006, 05:36 AM
I just hope the Orin doesn't suffer a whoopsie like Prometheus did....becuase that would really suck! :mckay: Also, given the Orins is allegedly supposed to have a compliment of drones & the Ancients only know what, it would be interesting to see it go up against a Hive ship (it would probably win, given the superiority of Ancient tech vs. Wraith tech overall; the Wraith are near the Ancients in technological evolution - as qouted in 'Rising (pts 1 & 2)' - but not quite : e.g.: inter-galactic hyperdrive technology).

My only peeve is gonna be if they don't get to keep the Orion after S3 premiere - assuming it is used in SGA S3 - the oppoerunity to study all that Ancient tech, it would help the SGC & their allies enormeously against both the Wraith & the Orii IMHO; & would be a waste of a good plot device, a really cool ship & a chance for more cross-over work! :P lol

BTW, anyone got a good pic of the Orion handy? :cameron: I'll give green if anyone can find me a descent screen-cap.... :hammond:

zer0_1
March 9th, 2006, 06:39 AM
The sky advert came on before they got to that bit though, they were in th bits just after the Orion came out of Hyper Space, and left when Sheppard told Caldwell they had all the survivors

Then they had bits at atlantis talking about the wraith hip and how they've been given the ship o,o


i hated that. is there any quotes on that bit as i couldnt hear it from the freakin trailer

i swear if they mess up the finales with that, heads are going to roll

Cyclone
March 9th, 2006, 09:16 AM
i swear if they mess up the finales with that, heads are going to roll
hahaha... you can say that again. :X

mckaychick
March 9th, 2006, 09:21 AM
Yeah i would go insane if they mess it up.

Elinor
March 9th, 2006, 11:30 AM
Tell me about it! I almost threw something at the TV but then remembered that I'd miss next week's finales if I did that and broke it. I've already set Sky + to record Friday's re-run but it was definitely not on. Especially with a first run episode - Boo! Must do better.:mad:



Yeah...what a lot of numpties!! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-034.gif

I'll be re-recording to 'cos this was a fab episode! Honestly, Shep and McKay are really the best double act on TV for ages. I can see how they liken the pairing to the Hope/Crosby thing. They are freakin' hilarious! Me and my friends were giggling all the way through. I adore the chemistry that Joe and David have and I also adore the chemistry between Joe and Torri...they had a great scene together to. It was also good to see that (I think) everyone was in this episode. Even 'crap indeed' Hermiod!! Wonderful entertainment and I have to mention the SFX also...very, very good!

More like this please!

:)

Shipperahoy
March 9th, 2006, 11:52 AM
I didn't post my thoughts on the show right away because I wanted to give it some time to sink in and perhaps I would find some redeeming features. Alas, that was not the case. I like Atlantis. I like it a lot. It takes quite a bit for me to actively dislike an episode. In fact, I've never done so with an Atlantis ep before this. I even managed to find some redeeming features for The Tower. This was bad though. This was Avenger 2.0 bad. I'm sure Brandy Ledford is a very nice woman but this role was just not for her. She was only there as the token hot chick to give McKay and Shep someone to make themselves look like teenage idiots over. What a waste of time for her. The entire episode was a plot device for finding the Orion and a poor one at that.

mckaychick
March 9th, 2006, 11:56 AM
What is this sky channell you guys are talking about????????????

Nel
March 9th, 2006, 12:02 PM
What is this sky channell you guys are talking about????????????

It's one of the TV channels that shows Stargate Atlantis in the UK.