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NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 10th, 2005, 06:27 PM
<Mod Insert- Due to the update of this thread all opinions are welcome in this thread now not "just" those disillusioned by Season 10. Thank You :)>

I think Season 10 of SG-1 is a horrible idea, to express why I feel there is no hope for the show to go on.

ShadowMaat
November 10th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Remember, Aby, don't feed the trolls. :P

If the rumors I've heard have any basis in reality, I will be very, very sad about S10.

Skydiver
November 10th, 2005, 06:43 PM
and i'm gonna move this and the pro thread into the s9 folder for the time being until darren makes a s10 folder

the only reason i'm doing this is to limit the spoilers in the general area

and please, if someone posts an off topic post, don't quote it. just report it and move on. Please don't give the mods extra stuff to edit as well as delete

thank you

LaCroix
November 10th, 2005, 07:07 PM
Remember, Aby, don't feed the trolls. :P

If the rumors I've heard have any basis in reality, I will be very, very sad about S10.


There's a quote from where's my location is:

" Good is always getting better and bad is always getting worse."

I'm hoping, I'm wrong.

ToasterOnFire
November 10th, 2005, 08:22 PM
I am tentatively here. :D

While it's way too early to get a good read on what s10 will be like, I must say I have reservations thanks to the rumors that Sam may be spending lots of time on Atlantis, Vala is returning as a (full?) cast member, and the likelyhood that s10 will continue the story arc of the spawn of Vala!!

Guess we'll have to wait and see how all the spoilers and rumors play out...

Darren
November 10th, 2005, 08:31 PM
My opinion is that folks should be very, very careful about being too anti-Season 10 at this early stage. A full 10 episodes of Season Nine are completely unaired, there is no confirmed casting (beyond Ben, perhaps), and no confirmed writers/producers beyond Rob C. and Brad W. It'd be a little like complaining about Season Two after watching "Children of the Gods" through "Thor's Hammer."

It's fun to speculate based on rumors, but rumors are rumors, and they're also rumors rumory rumor rumors. Or so it's rumored.

BigGator5
November 10th, 2005, 08:43 PM
My opinion is that folks should be very, very careful about being too anti-Season 10 at this early stage. A full 10 episodes of Season Nine are completely unaired, there is no confirmed casting (beyond Ben, perhaps), and no confirmed writers/producers beyond Rob C. and Brad W. It'd be a little like complaining about Season Two after watching "Children of the Gods" through "Thor's Hammer."

It's fun to speculate based on rumors, but rumors are rumors, and they're also rumors rumory rumor rumors. Or so it's rumored.

I woud give you a green rep, but my pop-up blocker is acting all funny...

Hatcheter
November 10th, 2005, 09:41 PM
My opinion is that folks should be very, very careful about being too anti-Season 10 at this early stage. A full 10 episodes of Season Nine are completely unaired, there is no confirmed casting (beyond Ben, perhaps), and no confirmed writers/producers beyond Rob C. and Brad W. It'd be a little like complaining about Season Two after watching "Children of the Gods" through "Thor's Hammer."

I think that might be an entirely too reasonable stance from most poeple. ;) :D


It's fun to speculate based on rumors, but rumors are rumors, and they're also rumors rumory rumor rumors. Or so it's rumored.

But can we use speculative statements based on unspecified information rumored to have been sugested by unnamed sources who may or may not be able to verifiy that such insinuations have a potential of being somewhat related to truth?

AGateFan
November 11th, 2005, 01:33 AM
I am tentatively here. :D

While it's way too early to get a good read on what s10 will be like, I must say I have reservations thanks to the rumors that Sam may be spending lots of time on Atlantis, Vala is returning as a (full?) cast member, and the likelyhood that s10 will continue the story arc of the spawn of Vala!!

Guess we'll have to wait and see how all the spoilers and rumors play out...

I agree.

I also dont think its too early to start worrying (not to contradict "the man"). We have seen 10 eps this season not just one or two. Although second halfs tend to pick up... but TPTB let the spoilers out and what the spoilers say are not all happiness.

Besides if your negative early and turn out to be right, then the blow is not so bad when you recieve it. And if your negative early and your proven wrong later then you are pleasently suprised..... The Power of Negative Thinking... (Theres a book, really there is:) ).

ShadowMaat
November 11th, 2005, 03:28 AM
My opinion is that folks should be very, very careful about being too anti-Season 10 at this early stage.
So what, we should be "careful" about being too anti, but the pro folks can gush and gloat all they want about those same rumors?? http://www.pushupstairs.com/images/emoticon/neptune/Animated/Thinking/think034.gif

Nice double standard, there.

I'm kinda beyond caring what S10 is going to be like at this point and probably won't be posting in this thread anymore. As far as I'm concerned, it's going to be utter crap, and I feel pretty confident about that regardless of rumors and/or facts.

The Engineer
November 11th, 2005, 03:35 AM
Not a good thing the cast fluidity, crossovers aren't a good idea!
It's damaging both SG1 and SGA.
Not a good thing the child of Vala . Especially in a sci fi show when only the sky is the limit. I have problems integrating such a story when you come to think that the child story wasn'y even in the intented story development. That would be a show killer. (a jump the shark) unless.... but I highly doubt.:(

Kirara
November 11th, 2005, 03:54 AM
My opinion is that folks should be very, very careful about being too anti-Season 10 at this early stage. A full 10 episodes of Season Nine are completely unaired, there is no confirmed casting (beyond Ben, perhaps), and no confirmed writers/producers beyond Rob C. and Brad W. It'd be a little like complaining about Season Two after watching "Children of the Gods" through "Thor's Hammer."

It's fun to speculate based on rumors, but rumors are rumors, and they're also rumors rumory rumor rumors. Or so it's rumored.

You are right Darren maybe it´s too early to have a anti-season 10 thread but I´m a bit surprised about that you say that there existing almost no informations about it. Have not the producers themself said that
season 8 would heavy featuring Vala and that much of the storyline will based about her offspring. ??? If that are false rumours than I would happily give season 10 another chance but so how it looks now (and considering that I found the whole ori story-arc deadly boring) I will have no reason to be happy about season 10!

KatG
November 11th, 2005, 06:50 AM
Well, I'm not completely anti at this point, but I'm not feeling the joy either.

Yes, we've only seen 10 episodes of S9. Yes, the second half of the season might just blow me completely away, but based on the spoilers I've heard and the general attitude of RCC, the show runner, I'm not real confident that it's going to get better. And I'm really not confident about S10 at all.

It makes me sad to say that, but it just happens to be the way I feel.

glennh73
November 11th, 2005, 05:20 PM
You are right Darren maybe it´s too early to have a anti-season 10 thread but I´m a bit surprised about that you say that there existing almost no informations about it. Have not the producers themself said that
season 8 would heavy featuring Vala and that much of the storyline will based about her offspring. ??? If that are false rumours than I would happily give season 10 another chance but so how it looks now (and considering that I found the whole ori story-arc deadly boring) I will have no reason to be happy about season 10!


After reading this spoiler and reading more about it, i wish this was the last season. Dont end this series like this.

OK Spoilers since i have no idea how to do code.



















This whole thing with Vala and her child, oh come on writers, is this the best u can come up with? What about the Aschen, Dannys grandpap with those giants, an so many other ideas from past seasons. Why and dam it why must they ruin our last season with this crap?
I dont like Vala, i dont like the baby idea, i want SG-1 team back and do what they do best go on missions but have an overall arch.

Vala was fine for a few eps, but she really didnt bring anything to the show or team.
IF the writers go this direction and im affraid they will, then rename the show, cause i still feel season 8 was the last sg-1 season.

Amanda Eros
November 11th, 2005, 05:37 PM
All I have to say is that I hope the show focuses a bit more on SG-1, I miss the team interaction. I hope that they can build Mitchell into the team as well as they were able to build Jonas Quinn into it.

I miss Jonas! I want to see more him... however that won't happen any time soon...:(

LaCroix
November 11th, 2005, 06:05 PM
All I have to say is that I hope the show focuses a bit more on SG-1, I miss the team interaction. I hope that they can build Mitchell into the team as well as they were able to build Jonas Quinn into it.

I miss Jonas! I want to see more him... however that won't happen any time soon...:(


I know. This season is/was supposed to back to team episodes. Maybe S10. But, we'll see.

Skydiver
November 11th, 2005, 06:13 PM
how to do spoiler tags
<spoiler> </spoiler> just replace the <> with []

and i agree, i think my biggest fear about s10 is the rumored focus on vala, the space baby (scifi babies NEVER work out well) and the fact that the much promoted and 'bigger and better sg-1' simply doesn't appeal to me as much as the older seasons.

I dont' care for the tight costumes, the boobilage on display, the sacrificing of characters for the sake of the plot (such as sam snogging pete on a mission just so that the director can have a cool shot to pull out on, totally dismissing the fact that a professional like Sam would NOT behave that way on a mission, AT even protested but was ignored)

The Ori storyline is just too much like real life for me to enjoy it. fighting religion is futile and frustrating and i already live in a world where people would like to blow me to bits for being the 'wrong' religon....don't care to have that point driven home in my entertainment too.

there have been too many clumsy plots, plotholes the size of a hatak ship in addition to too many homages and it's quickly ceasing to be amusing and excusable and is not becoming rather pathetic

and, as someone who's spent the past 7 years watching this show, i think it's sad to watch it flounder and flop and drag itself on beyond it's expiration date. It once was a classy show and it would have been nice to have had it end while it was still good.....rather than having it join x-files in the 'went on too long' category

general ben
November 11th, 2005, 06:16 PM
i want SG-1 team back and do what they do best go on missions but have an overall arch.


i agree with you here there are no subsitute for jack on missions.

Skydiver
November 11th, 2005, 06:23 PM
yeah, even considering that it's hard to have a team when one member is gone for 5 of the 10 eps, we still have the 'focus on one' formula going on

maybe they've gotten so used to NOT writinig all 4 kids at once that they don't remember how???

Seshat
November 11th, 2005, 06:28 PM
AFAIC, the upcoming end of Season 9 Vala-spoiler-that-will-not-be-named is the shark just waiting to be jumped. I have tremendous misgivings about this particular plot development. :( I keep asking "why do this? why?" and can't come up with a good answer... If this is the intro to a larger story arc for S10 I am fearful I may run screaming from the room when SG1 comes on next year.

I find that I am constantly irritated by the character of Vala, and not in a good, Rodney-MacKay-kind of way (I prefer him in small doses, too :p ), but in a gee-I-feel-sort-of-insulted-as-a-woman kind of way. What a role model! :S And I say that because the other characters USED to be held up as role models for kids (anybody else remember that?).

The only way the Orii will become less of a snooze-fest for me is if they bring back Julian Sands! :D Otherwise I think I'll just turn in with a good book, or maybe even (gasp!) see what's on the next channel.

TheObiJuan
November 11th, 2005, 06:32 PM
the writing is sub-par.
The spoilers thus far for the remaining shows demonstrate that the writers are grasping at straws to maintain an audience.
Funny one liners were great for Jack, as he was the only one that really did it. Now, everyone can be funny and cheesy. This applies to SGA too. That annoying sneezing girl drove me up the wall.

Vala had potential, but the overboard sexual inuendos and the somewhat dry humor show that the writers are trying to hard to make us like her.
Character development takes time, they need to understand this and write her accordingly. Jack took a few episodes to be likeable funny. His humor is somewhat corny at times, but it's his humor and we love it!
When RDA spoke and made jokes, often times allusions or references, it was funny because it didn't seem forced.

Skydiver
November 11th, 2005, 06:52 PM
maybe the difference is, a lot of jack's humor was rda's. he'd adlib, while it seems that vala's 'humor' has been written for her....which could account for it seeming forced.

i'm not saying that she's not fun to write for, and if she was on another show, she'd at least be enjoyable, but there;s just such a forced focus on her that it's off. i mean, jonas in a whole season, someone who was originally conceived to be a permnant member of the cast, got less of a focus in 22 eps than vala has in 6 eps.

the other issue is cam. he does have potential, but they seem to be working so hard to push him, to convince us that he's great, that they're forgetting to write him as great. don't just tell me know good he is, let me see it. and right now all i've seen is a character who...well Jonas acted more competant than cam has...and jonas was an alien from another planet :)

Amanda Eros
November 11th, 2005, 07:49 PM
Well, I've been courious to see if TPTB read these threads. I think it would be a pretty smart thing to do to see what people are upset about and then try to fix some of it. Can't please everyone, but it doesn't hurt to try. :D

Anyway, I wrote this in the Ask Joe thread:

Hi Joe,

Quick question, do you read any of the other threads besides the "Ask Joe" Thread? If yes, which ones?

Thanks a bunch,
Christine

Hopefully he'll say the anti nine and anti ten threads! Hope this isn't off topic. But I think it would be great if he said that he read these threads!

binkpmmc
November 11th, 2005, 07:56 PM
This whole vala and the dopey baby nonesense is what is killing it for me - what misguided ideas. I am not surprised though as so many of the recent decisions have been misguided it's not even an enjoyable show to watch most of the time anymore and that's why I have only been watching a few eps here and there and none of those have really caught my attention all that much either. Vala is a nuisance that is better left under the rock they found her as she is not a fit for SG1 - at least not the SG1 that was a good, solid, intelligent, well-written team show wherein the characters clearly had purpose and friendship and a bond (all the things that have been missing for quite some time now). Now, they are just a group of people that work together, and so far they aren't even together all that much - they are just working on the same thing from different places - it really is kind of sad to watch it die such a slow death from what it once was. A space baby - please - no matter how many times I say it, and no matter how cooper and the rest of them pimp it - it will still be stupid.

ShimmeringStar
November 11th, 2005, 08:13 PM
My opinion is that folks should be very, very careful about being too anti-Season 10 at this early stage. A full 10 episodes of Season Nine are completely unaired, there is no confirmed casting (beyond Ben, perhaps), and no confirmed writers/producers beyond Rob C. and Brad W. It'd be a little like complaining about Season Two after watching "Children of the Gods" through "Thor's Hammer."

It's fun to speculate based on rumors, but rumors are rumors, and they're also rumors rumory rumor rumors. Or so it's rumored.
But can we use speculative statements based on unspecified information rumored to have been sugested by unnamed sources who may or may not be able to verifiy that such insinuations have a potential of being somewhat related to truth?Only if one insinuates the speculatory hearsay in such a way that on any given day in order to keep the lawyers and barristers away they don’t stray far from the fray of what TPTB say. :o

Ah... speculation. Right up there with anticipation as the elixirs of fandom life. But even GW S9 episode spoilers from official PTB sources are rumor *coughs* speculation, until the ep airs…. (and the Threads debacle goes to show that even when it is aired, it can be seriously butchered and what you thought you saw wasn’t really what thought you saw…):S :rolleyes: :p

ShimmeringStar
November 11th, 2005, 08:18 PM
and right now all i've seen is a character who...well Jonas acted more competant than cam has...and jonas was an alien from another planet :)Serves me right for reading this too quickly… thought it was Cam who was from another planet & it made perfect sense!;) :D


The only way the Orii will become less of a snooze-fest for me is if they bring back Julian Sands! :D Otherwise I think I'll just turn in with a good book, or maybe even (gasp!) see what's on the next channel.
Ummm… Can I put in my order for JS now? :D Though I’d prefer the Julian of the Long Blond hair and less of the glitterglam makeup please.

I guess for now I'll keep my concerns to the S9 threads as there hasn't been a lot of spoilage from TPTB re: 10... but I'll be peeping in here for a lurk or two...

KatG
November 12th, 2005, 04:40 AM
What about the Aschen, Dannys grandpap with those giants, an so many other ideas from past seasons.

Exactly.

Nick's been with the giant aliens for 5 years now. It's about time he came back and shared his knowledge.

Also, the Re-tu were supposed to be such a huuuge threat and yet it's been 6years since we heard from them.

And the Foothold aliens - maybe they can't come back through the gate, but they have to be on other worlds.

And yes, last we heard about the Aschen, we gave them a gate address to the black hole. I'd love to know if they used it or not and if so what happened.

There's just so much history to draw on for stories. I don't understand why they have to make up a bunch of new stuff.

Caylynn
November 12th, 2005, 12:48 PM
I find that I am constantly irritated by the character of Vala, and not in a good, Rodney-MacKay-kind of way (I prefer him in small doses, too :p ), but in a gee-I-feel-sort-of-insulted-as-a-woman kind of way. What a role model! :S And I say that because the other characters USED to be held up as role models for kids (anybody else remember that?).


I agree! (Although I like Rodney, as I'm sure you can see from my sig. ;))

As a woman, I find the character of Vala to be disgusting and degrading. And we're getting her full-time in Season 10? :eek:

Good thing I have Atlantis, BSG, and Smallville to watch!

Wraith_Hunter
November 12th, 2005, 02:11 PM
Well, I've been courious to see if TPTB read these threads. I think it would be a pretty smart thing to do to see what people are upset about and then try to fix some of it. Can't please everyone, but it doesn't hurt to try. :D

Anyway, I wrote this in the Ask Joe thread:

Hi Joe,

Quick question, do you read any of the other threads besides the "Ask Joe" Thread? If yes, which ones?

Thanks a bunch,
Christine

Hopefully he'll say the anti nine and anti ten threads! Hope this isn't off topic. But I think it would be great if he said that he read these threads!

He already answered a similar question a few months ago!

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=4427461&highlight=other+threads#post4427461

Nem2k
November 12th, 2005, 02:14 PM
i dont want to post here because im anti S10, but i do want to voice some concerns

in S9 we lost Jack, that was a big big blow. in S10, theres talk of amanda doing some crossover to atlantis meaning she'll be in less SG-1, so for all intents and purposes we are beginning to lose another character from the show

what i dont understand is how they can write jack out, essentially minimize the role of sam and possibly replace her with vala, and still call the show Stargate SG-1?

I mean, what is it that we loved so much about the show? For me, it was because this is the first scifi where the characters and their relationship are more important than the stories. When I watch this show, it feels like we're onboard with a team of amazing people who would trust each other with their lives, and it just so happens that interesting stuff is happening to them and not that the characters are their for the sake of the story

when we got to season 9 it felt like we lost a lot of the team dynamic which was present in earlier seasons. losing Jack and Sam (for the first few episodes) just didnt feel the same, so i wouldnt like to see Sam get a lesser role in S10 purely because a lot of the newer fans want to see ben and claudia together take over the team

IF, and I stress the word IF, the writers are changing the team around purely to get new fans interested in the show then they have lost my respect because this show used to be about this very unique relationship and special bond between these 4 people. Changing that is basically changing the very essence of the show, and why are they doing it? To get higher ratings? Whatever happened to serving the story and remaining true to what Stargate SG-1 really is?

It feels like SG-1 is dying a slowly ugly death. This show should never have gotten to the point where theyre forced to introduce new members and change so much of the principle cast because like I said, its the PEOPLE in this show which makes it so great. And it should have ended when all the main players were still around because now theres a major shift in the team dynamics, the show just doesnt feel right to me anymore, and it certainly doesnt feel like SG-1

right now, with the current SG-1 team, things are somewhat acceptable, but having Carter play a smaller role in the team? That would be too big of a change, and although it would help Amanda and help her career progress, it doesnt help the show at all because nobody, and I mean nobody, can replace Sam's place in the team. Just like Mitchell couldnt replace Jacks place in the team

</rant>

smurf
November 12th, 2005, 02:20 PM
He already answered a similar question a few months ago!

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=4427461&highlight=other+threads#post4427461
It's a shame he doesn't look at the anti-s. I've not posted my negative opinions on the episode threads because I don't want end up getting into circular arguments. Maybe I should so there'll be another voice added to those who don't think everything is perfect. Of course I'd have to watch the eps again, so... maybe not :p

As for S10, I have a feeling I'll be doing an RDA and just popping in for the first couple of episodes. The whole Vala/baby, Daniel/Vala, diminished Sam, religious fanaticism angles aren't selling it to me.

The Engineer
November 12th, 2005, 05:31 PM
And yes, last we heard about the Aschen, we gave them a gate address to the black hole. I'd love to know if they used it or not and if so what happened.

No I highly doubt that they used it for 2 reasons:

1) After we gave them the addresses we made clear to them that we found out what were their intentions regarding us and we acted accordingly

2) In Exodus (4x22) we gate to the blackhole address in order to destroy Apophis' fleet in the Vorash system, and that wormhole would still stay open long after the gate was destroyed, long after the sun was sucked by the blackhole and still is.

I also think they didn't used the other gate address for the first reason stated above and because in 4 years we haven't heard anything of them (of being conquered by some system lord. I think they are live and kicking and awaiting the day when they will get their revenge on us and continue to expand their Aschen Confederacy.

Wraith_Hunter
November 12th, 2005, 06:22 PM
It's a shame he doesn't look at the anti-s. I've not posted my negative opinions on the episode threads because I don't want end up getting into circular arguments. Maybe I should so there'll be another voice added to those who don't think everything is perfect. Of course I'd have to watch the eps again, so... maybe not :p

As for S10, I have a feeling I'll be doing an RDA and just popping in for the first couple of episodes. The whole Vala/baby, Daniel/Vala, diminished Sam, religious fanaticism angles aren't selling it to me.

It's possible he's had a peek or two in the past. However for the complaints with regards to RDA's departure & how it was handled etc. Are really out of the writers control, The actor made a decision to spend more time with his family. They really had 2 choices for his departure, the first was to kill him off & the other was to promote him/make him resign from the military. In the hope that he can make a couple of brief appearances, they decided to promot him. Me personally, I would have killed him off & made him go out like a hero. That would have been a far better send off, than having him appear like he did in S9.

Other things are mostly speculation, Such as Vala's baby being the saviour & Carter being expendable for Vala's return in S10 as a regular cast member etc.

If it were me personally, I would probably rise to the bait & make a post or two on the anti-thread if I was a writer on the show.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing & it's easy to criticise after the fact. Which I'm sure people like JM appreciate as it helps them what other paths they could have taken, they must because he responds to some harsh stuff in his blog entries. So they obviously take some on the constructive criticism on board. Just not enough to make any major chamges on what they are planning to do. They only go season to season & so have to field what they think are he most appropriate scripts for the upcoming season. Unless all fans stopped watching, then a few dozen continuous posters won't really do anything. I honestly don't fault the writers at all. I solely put the blame on the sci-fi execs doors.

I think they would get a lot more things wrapped up, if sci-fi would take their heads out of each others asses & sign them up for a couple of seasons at a time, rather than year to year.

This way they might have a chance to wrap up some of the many unfinished stories that I've been longing to see. Foothold,Reetu,Grace aliens to name a few.


And yes, last we heard about the Aschen, we gave them a gate address to the black hole. I'd love to know if they used it or not and if so what happened.

An earlier response from JM in his thread.

There were plans to bring the Aschen back for an episode tentatively titled Judgement - that was consequently shelved back in season 7. But in Stargate, nothing stays shelved forever. Witness the out-of-control plant from season 8's Zero Hour. That idea was first pitched out back in season 4.

It was supposed to be about the Aschen putting SG-1 on trial for killing millions of the Aschen people who perished in the black hole. Would have been a cool epsiode & hope they finally get around to it.

KatG
November 13th, 2005, 05:00 AM
However for the complaints with regards to RDA's departure & how it was handled etc. Are really out of the writers control, The actor made a decision to spend more time with his family. They really had 2 choices for his departure, the first was to kill him off & the other was to promote him/make him resign from the military. In the hope that he can make a couple of brief appearances, they decided to promot him.

I agree that their options were limited, but they could have handled his absence better imo. Showing Landry talking to him from time to time is fine, but I'd really like to see more references to him or bits with Sam/Daniel/Teal'c talking to him on the phone or referring to a recent conversation with him. Would just make me feel a little more like he was still a part.


This way they might have a chance to wrap up some of the many unfinished stories that I've been longing to see. Foothold,Reetu,Grace aliens to name a few.

An earlier response from JM in his thread.

There were plans to bring the Aschen back for an episode tentatively titled Judgement - that was consequently shelved back in season 7. But in Stargate, nothing stays shelved forever. Witness the out-of-control plant from season 8's Zero Hour. That idea was first pitched out back in season 4.

It was supposed to be about the Aschen putting SG-1 on trial for killing millions of the Aschen people who perished in the black hole. Would have been a cool epsiode & hope they finally get around to it.

Yes. This is the kind of stuff I'd like to see, sadly I don't hold out much hope at this point.

smurf
November 13th, 2005, 06:25 AM
It's possible he's had a peek or two in the past. However for the complaints with regards to RDA's departure & how it was handled etc. Are really out of the writers control, The actor made a decision to spend more time with his family. They really had 2 choices for his departure, the first was to kill him off & the other was to promote him/make him resign from the military. In the hope that he can make a couple of brief appearances, they decided to promot him. Me personally, I would have killed him off & made him go out like a hero. That would have been a far better send off, than having him appear like he did in S9.

Other things are mostly speculation, Such as Vala's baby being the saviour & Carter being expendable for Vala's return in S10 as a regular cast member etc.

If it were me personally, I would probably rise to the bait & make a post or two on the anti-thread if I was a writer on the show.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing & it's easy to criticise after the fact. Which I'm sure people like JM appreciate as it helps them what other paths they could have taken, they must because he responds to some harsh stuff in his blog entries. So they obviously take some on the constructive criticism on board. Just not enough to make any major chamges on what they are planning to do. They only go season to season & so have to field what they think are he most appropriate scripts for the upcoming season. Unless all fans stopped watching, then a few dozen continuous posters won't really do anything. I honestly don't fault the writers at all. I solely put the blame on the sci-fi execs doors.

I have no problem with RDA leaving. I just currently have no intention of sticking around for more than the first couple of episodes. Like RDA, I'll be doing it purely out of a sense of duty than love. :S :D

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if you have a look at the postings on Gateworld some of the issues - the Cam/Sam leadership issue for starters - were marked out for discussion way before the first shot of S9 was done, and likely before pen was put to paper script wise. And it was an honest discussion full of hope that the worst case senario, the one almost no-one wanted, would never come to pass.

It did.

The sad thing is that too many of the things we (the anti-s) hoped wouldn't happen did. And badly.

Nem2k
November 13th, 2005, 08:01 AM
ive never really done the whole speculating about future seasons thing...but S10 has been confirmed for about 2-3 weeks now?
but how long is it usually before we find out more about whats going to happen in the next season so some of these rumours can be put to rest?

like i said, ive never really paid attention to where the producers decide to take the show in the next season so I dont know if they even listen to the fans about these things

Skydiver
November 13th, 2005, 08:09 AM
theoretically they should be writing/plotting around now. usually they start taping in feb/mar or so, which means the pre-production stuff should start around now

as to when spoilers will be leaked....probably not for a few months. they'll focus on promoting the second half of s9 first, then ramp up promotion on s10 around the last airing of s9, let the 'excitment' of the finale feed the 'interest' for hte premiere

AGateFan
November 13th, 2005, 08:11 AM
ive never really done the whole speculating about future seasons thing...but S10 has been confirmed for about 2-3 weeks now?
but how long is it usually before we find out more about whats going to happen in the next season so some of these rumours can be put to rest?

like i said, ive never really paid attention to where the producers decide to take the show in the next season so I dont know if they even listen to the fans about these things
TPTB do not listen to fans. TPTB do what they like, or often times they do what their "masters" like, even if they disagree.

Scifi is the emperor, TPTB are just the generals implementing his evil will.

EDIT: too much?

Wraith_Hunter
November 13th, 2005, 08:50 AM
Don't get me wrong, there are a few things that the writers could have done far better.

They are bascially tied up each season by not knowing if this will be the last or not. However issues such as (or lack of) explanations to some needed situations, such as where exactly is O'Neill & not making it plain who is in command opf SG-1 to name a few. Really can be put onto the writers. They could have sorted out the leadership issues in a few lines of dialogue. Yet they choose to ignore it, most likely for fear of upsetting Sam & Mitchell fans. If it went against their preffered character.

Like I said, they do have one hand tied behind their backs each season, so this limits what they can do. However I my biggest annoyment with writers are their serious lack of following up on things.

Foothold is a prime example. Aliens invade the GSC & then manage to get topisde as well. They are finally thwarted & escape through the SG. Nothing since, No attempt to go to the coordinates of which they escaped. Surely these aliens would have went back at some point in the future.

They simply use these eps as one off wonders. Then move onto the next one & so on, never looking back. So that's the biggest thing that irks me about the whole show.

Flowerbud
November 13th, 2005, 08:55 AM
SG-1 has been slowly declining the past few years, but this year is has been a steep drop. IMO, the show has already jumped the shark once they made Vala the focus of the show. It's not just all the qualities that other posters have mentioned such as the juvenile humor or lack of teamwork or poor characterization; the show is boring. I stopped watching the show after 6 or 7 episodes because it became such a chore.

I think casual viewers are not watching. Their ratings are being sustained by the core Stargate fans, but with this much anger and disappointment among fans, the ratings will slowly leach away as the season progresses. I will be curious to know how DVD and other ancillary products will sell in the next 12 months.

Nem2k
November 13th, 2005, 09:02 AM
I think casual viewers are not watching. Their ratings are being sustained by the core Stargate fans, but with this much anger and disappointment among fans, the ratings will slowly leach away as the season progresses. I will be curious to know how DVD and other ancillary products will sell in the next 12 months.

hmm, this could get interesting because if people do stop watching then scifi will have a choice to make....1) cancel the show entirely given its not doing as well as theyre hoping or 2) change the show to suit their core fan group and risk isolating newer fans

which do you think theyll do? i hope the show doesnt get cancelled, but i also dont think its likely that theyll change everything they did in S9 just to suit us old school fans

however i did read somewhere that the show this year is doing pretty well so maybe the show, as far as ratings go, isnt doing too badly?

AGateFan
November 13th, 2005, 09:14 AM
SG-1 has been slowly declining the past few years, but this year is has been a steep drop. IMO, the show has already jumped the shark once they made Vala the focus of the show. It's not just all the qualities that other posters have mentioned such as the juvenile humor or lack of teamwork or poor characterization; the show is boring. I stopped watching the show after 6 or 7 episodes because it became such a chore.

I think casual viewers are not watching. Their ratings are being sustained by the core Stargate fans, but with this much anger and disappointment among fans, the ratings will slowly leach away as the season progresses. I will be curious to know how DVD and other ancillary products will sell in the next 12 months.
I am curious as well. In fact, how the second half of the season turns out will determine if I bother to even get the DVDs. Normally I have them preordered the first day they are available.... guess I could be saving some money.

smurf
November 13th, 2005, 09:19 AM
We talk about TPTB not listening to the fans, and then in the next breath that they haven't done certain things for fear of upsetting fans. If that's true which is it?
Maybe it's both.
Maybe they only choose one section of the fanbase to listen to.
Maybe they haven't got a clue what they are doing, and sway whichever way the wind blows.

Maybe they should just do what they want, make the logical and necessary things crystal clear, play they unimportant things lightly, p off a few fans, and trust the majority of fans to roll with it.
I'll roll with anything if it becomes absolute. I don't have to like it, but at least it won't take me out of the show because it's unexplained.

Skydiver
November 13th, 2005, 09:32 AM
i know, for me, up to this point, i used to order the region 2 discs, even though they were a LOT more expensive, simply because i didn't want to wait a year to get the episodes.

I have yet to get all of season 8, and i have no plans at all to get season 9. if i get hte dvd's i'll track them down pre-viewed in a year or so and get them as cheaply as possible....and in a way that mgm won't get more money off them. i'll buy what someone else has sold off, not rack up another sale for mgm

I've made my home made dvd's (for my own use) and those will more than suffice me until i decide to get the commercial ones

that's how much the show's descending quality has effected me.

Gatecon 2004 was the last con i've been to, and i have no plans at all to attend any of hte professional cons. they're too expensive and too focused on aspects of the show that i don't like for me to shell out about 1000 dollars in tickets and travel expenses.

three years ago, it was just the opposite.

on the flip side, the descent in quality of the show is saving me a ton of money :)

AGateFan
November 13th, 2005, 09:34 AM
i know, for me, up to this point, i used to order the region 2 discs, even though they were a LOT more expensive, simply because i didn't want to wait a year to get the episodes.

I have yet to get all of season 8, and i have no plans at all to get season 9. if i get hte dvd's i'll track them down pre-viewed in a year or so and get them as cheaply as possible....and in a way that mgm won't get more money off them. i'll buy what someone else has sold off, not rack up another sale for mgm

I've made my home made dvd's (for my own use) and those will more than suffice me until i decide to get the commercial ones

that's how much the show's descending quality has effected me.

Gatecon 2004 was the last con i've been to, and i have no plans at all to attend any of hte professional cons. they're too expensive and too focused on aspects of the show that i don't like for me to shell out about 1000 dollars in tickets and travel expenses.

three years ago, it was just the opposite.

on the flip side, the descent in quality of the show is saving me a ton of money :)

Its like TPTB Gieco.

LaCroix
November 13th, 2005, 09:46 AM
Ok.

Since some of us are talking ratings, I went to check and see the average for the first 10 episodes in from S6-now. And they are:

S6. 1.69

S7. 1.65

S8. 2.01

S9. 1.96

Nem2k
November 13th, 2005, 09:53 AM
S6. 1.69

S7. 1.65

S8. 2.01

S9. 1.96

ooh interesting, i guess a lot of decisions that scifi make will be based on ratings, and looking at these, it looks like theyll most likely be sticking with the direction that S9 is taking them ie with the whole vala thing

what this means for Sam and her being in more atlantis remains to be seen, i just hope they dont replace her with Vala purely because of these ratings

Flowerbud
November 13th, 2005, 10:02 AM
hmm, this could get interesting because if people do stop watching then scifi will have a choice to make....1) cancel the show entirely given its not doing as well as theyre hoping or 2) change the show to suit their core fan group and risk isolating newer fans

which do you think theyll do? i hope the show doesnt get cancelled, but i also dont think its likely that theyll change everything they did in S9 just to suit us old school fans

however i did read somewhere that the show this year is doing pretty well so maybe the show, as far as ratings go, isnt doing too badly?

Sci-Fi would probably cancel the show if the ratings tank. They seem to look at only the short term. I don't have faith that the writers and producers of SG-1 will be able to fix the show. They would have to bring in new writers/producers, but it might be too late. Towards the end, Enterprise improved, but the ratings never came back.

Skydiver
November 13th, 2005, 11:16 AM
i don't think they care if the show lasts too much longer

it is, quite bluntly, getting too expensive to make. we have cast and crew who have been on teh show for almost 10 years. and, presumably, every year they get raises. so, just pulling numbers out of the air here, the person who got paid 50K per year in season 1 could be getting paid 60K a year now.

because of this, the overhead increases every year. the show gets more and more expensive. if they increase the cast, well they increase that bit of overhead because i sincerely doubt that they aske the existing cast members to each take a pay cut to bring in someone else

i personally will be very surprised if stargate lasts past s10. i think the only reason it's been renewed now is because scifi wants bragging rights for the longest running us scifi show. once they get that, they won't care

teh show will die and it may or may not take atlantis along iwth it

when you also add into this mix the growinig popularity of BSG, a show that scifi owns and controls totally, stargate starts to have some things definitely not in its favor

i jsut hope we don't get a repeat of farscape in the lines of 'have a whizz bang finale and, oops, cancelled. too bad, so sad'

AGateFan
November 13th, 2005, 11:20 AM
i don't think they care if the show lasts too much longer

it is, quite bluntly, getting too expensive to make. we have cast and crew who have been on teh show for almost 10 years. and, presumably, every year they get raises. so, just pulling numbers out of the air here, the person who got paid 50K per year in season 1 could be getting paid 60K a year now.

because of this, the overhead increases every year. the show gets more and more expensive. if they increase the cast, well they increase that bit of overhead because i sincerely doubt that they aske the existing cast members to each take a pay cut to bring in someone else

i personally will be very surprised if stargate lasts past s10. i think the only reason it's been renewed now is because scifi wants bragging rights for the longest running us scifi show. once they get that, they won't care

teh show will die and it may or may not take atlantis along iwth it

when you also add into this mix the growinig popularity of BSG, a show that scifi owns and controls totally, stargate starts to have some things definitely not in its favor

i jsut hope we don't get a repeat of farscape in the lines of 'have a whizz bang finale and, oops, cancelled. too bad, so sad'
I hope we dont have a farscape... crpy last season with a cliffhanger ending and then cancelled. But that does look the way its going, unless TPTB are smart enough not to make S10 end in a cliffhanger.

Nem2k
November 13th, 2005, 11:34 AM
i really wish scifi would just say "ok, SG has 2 more seasons and thats it" because then everyone will know exactly where to take the story and give it a good ending!! grrr

what i would really want though is if Rick came back and rejoined SG-1 team for the final season. End the show the way it started. It would be very nostalgic and be a great way to end the longest running scifi of all time

Amanda Eros
November 13th, 2005, 01:21 PM
Ok.

Since some of us are talking ratings, I went to check and see the average for the first 10 episodes in from S6-now. And they are:

S6. 1.69

S7. 1.65

S8. 2.01

S9. 1.96


I think the reason why there was such a large increase in ratings from season seven to eight could have been a number of things. First off, they made "Scifi Fridays" a big thing. They had new shows Atlantis and BSG that drew in more fans. Plus, since it has switched to Scifi from Showtime, more people have the chance to accidentally turn in on and say, "oh wow, this looks interesting." That pretty much happened for my whole family. I started to watch at the end of season six, then caught up with all the reruns on Mondays over the last couple of years.

I also think that the reason why Enterprise didn't do as well rating wise is because it was mainly shown on UPN. I know Voyager was also on UPN, but it switched over from I believe the WB after two seasons? UPN isn't the most popular station concerning Scifi shows. If it had been on a more flashy network like WB or Fox, I think it would have had a larger fan base. I was really hoping Scifi would buy the rights to Enterprise so that I can see all the episodes. That's one thing that sucks about going to college night classes! I missed most of the series because of them, and don't have the cash to dish out to buy the dvds. Oh well!

Seshat
November 13th, 2005, 01:51 PM
i personally will be very surprised if stargate lasts past s10. i think the only reason it's been renewed now is because scifi wants bragging rights for the longest running us scifi show. once they get that, they won't care... I've thought long and hard about this since the disappointing start of S9, and I have to say that I agree. It seems to me that S9, despite all producers', writers' and actors' rah-rah comments to the contrary, is just an exercise in flailing around for a direction, and the promise of S10 following the same haphazard track is inevitable. I don't believe the directions they or the SciFi network have chosen are workable for long-term success. In point of fact, in TV terms they've already HAD long-term success. The rest is just gravy. And it's true that the show is almost certainly too expensive to produce anymore. The moment it becomes so it will be gone. I don't see a S11, no way, no how.

Saying that, I can't blame anyone involved in the project for sticking around until the bitter end and collecting their paychecks. These people have worked together a long time in a (relatively) secure and stable working environment, and although they all see that the end is near, it's not quite here yet, and they still have families to feed and mortgages to pay and kids to put through school. And I'm not just talking about the higher pay scale actors and directors, etc., but the camera guys and catering and the grips and the guys who change the lightbulbs and sweep up, et al. There are LOTS more of those people, the folks we never see, who do their jobs day in and day out and are dependant upon the studio and Stargate. Another year's work is another year's work after all.

I loved the show of the past, and that show is dying. And I don't mean because of RDA leaving, or AT being absent for so long, or the emphasis on Vala, or BB coming in, I mean the scripts themselves, the stories are LACKING in almost everything that made this show Stargate. Some would say it's dead already, but I can see little glimpses of its former glory here and there, so I still watch. But the longer it goes on, the farther it seems to get from its real strengths, the team interaction and loyalty and the sense of family. THAT was Stargate. What I see on my screen now, and I fear, in S10 is just a pale ghost of that.

Somebody said something about the show now being nothing more than a bunch of people in sci fi costumes who don't seem to know each other and who don't seem to be working from the same script. With this I agree. Maybe a new writer can inject a little of the old team flavor, maybe not. We'll see. But I really doubt we'll be seeing anything labeled "Stargate SG-1" AFTER S10.

The Engineer
November 13th, 2005, 02:42 PM
I've thought long and hard about this since the disappointing start of S9, and I have to say that I agree. It seems to me that S9, despite all producers', writers' and actors' rah-rah comments to the contrary, is just an exercise in flailing around for a direction, and the promise of S10 following the same haphazard track is inevitable. I don't believe the directions they or the SciFi network have chosen are workable for long-term success. In point of fact, in TV terms they've already HAD long-term success. The rest is just gravy. And it's true that the show is almost certainly too expensive to produce anymore. The moment it becomes so it will be gone. I don't see a S11, no way, no how.

Saying that, I can't blame anyone involved in the project for sticking around until the bitter end and collecting their paychecks. These people have worked together a long time in a (relatively) secure and stable working environment, and although they all see that the end is near, it's not quite here yet, and they still have families to feed and mortgages to pay and kids to put through school. And I'm not just talking about the higher pay scale actors and directors, etc., but the camera guys and catering and the grips and the guys who change the lightbulbs and sweep up, et al. There are LOTS more of those people, the folks we never see, who do their jobs day in and day out and are dependant upon the studio and Stargate. Another year's work is another year's work after all.

I loved the show of the past, and that show is dying. And I don't mean because of RDA leaving, or AT being absent for so long, or the emphasis on Vala, or BB coming in, I mean the scripts themselves, the stories are LACKING in almost everything that made this show Stargate. Some would say it's dead already, but I can see little glimpses of its former glory here and there, so I still watch. But the longer it goes on, the farther it seems to get from its real strengths, the team interaction and loyalty and the sense of family. THAT was Stargate. What I see on my screen now, and I fear, in S10 is just a pale ghost of that.

Somebody said something about the show now being nothing more than a bunch of people in sci fi costumes who don't seem to know each other and who don't seem to be working from the same script. With this I agree. Maybe a new writer can inject a little of the old team flavor, maybe not. We'll see. But I really doubt we'll be seeing anything labeled "Stargate SG-1" AFTER S10.

Very good post.
But God I hope you are wrong.

Nem2k
November 13th, 2005, 02:44 PM
But the longer it goes on, the farther it seems to get from its real strengths, the team interaction and loyalty and the sense of family. THAT was Stargate.

yes, i completely agree with that. it was the team which made this show for me, their relationship with each other, that sense of trust you get with each member of SG-1, that was what made this show so special and I think theyve lost already

i remember reading an interview or something that the writers and directors have started to remove some of the more team moments, like where they smile at each other, where they show appreciation for each other. bits like that were removed to give more time to the story which i always thought was a bad decision because i thought those bits are integral to the show and what made it brilliant at the start

Sum1
November 13th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Don't get me wrong, there are a few things that the writers could have done far better.

They are bascially tied up each season by not knowing if this will be the last or not. However issues such as (or lack of) explanations to some needed situations, such as where exactly is O'Neill & not making it plain who is in command opf SG-1 to name a few. Really can be put onto the writers. They could have sorted out the leadership issues in a few lines of dialogue. Yet they choose to ignore it, most likely for fear of upsetting Sam & Mitchell fans. If it went against their preffered character.

Like I said, they do have one hand tied behind their backs each season, so this limits what they can do. However I my biggest annoyment with writers are their serious lack of following up on things.

Foothold is a prime example. Aliens invade the GSC & then manage to get topisde as well. They are finally thwarted & escape through the SG. Nothing since, No attempt to go to the coordinates of which they escaped. Surely these aliens would have went back at some point in the future.

They simply use these eps as one off wonders. Then move onto the next one & so on, never looking back. So that's the biggest thing that irks me about the whole show.
Don't forget that a lot of the old stories like the Ree'tou, Nox, Furlings, Foothold Aliens, and Crystal Skull aliens are from season 1-3 which had a different writing team - I guess the "new" writers (came in season 4, so they aren't really so new anymore) don't like those stories which is why they have ignored them and changed things from early seasons to accomodate later stories.

The Engineer
November 13th, 2005, 03:03 PM
i remember reading an interview or something that the writers and directors have started to remove some of the more team moments, like where they smile at each other, where they show appreciation for each other. bits like that were removed to give more time to the story which i always thought was a bad decision because i thought those bits are integral to the show and what made it brilliant at the start

But how much story could they make more room for by removing some of the more team moments? 1 min? 5 min? Are those team moments consuming that much time? I think they traded something in hope they gain something. And thus doing more damage than good to the show.

The Engineer
November 13th, 2005, 03:06 PM
Don't forget that a lot of the old stories like the Ree'tou, Nox, Furlings, Foothold Aliens, and Crystal Skull aliens are from season 1-3 which had a different writing team - I guess the "new" writers (came in season 4, so they aren't really so new anymore) don't like those stories which is why they have ignored them and changed things from early seasons to accomodate later stories.
I wonder if the writers from season 1-3 which later left would have developed their stories. I am also wondering if it be better if they (TPTB) would rehire them.

Nem2k
November 13th, 2005, 03:08 PM
But how much story could they make more room for by removing some of the more team moments? 1 min? 5 min? Are those team moments consuming that much time? I think they traded something in hope they gain something. And thus doing more damage than good to the show.

i know, and thats what i mean. they cut out something which was trivial yes, but also very important to the show to make way for...what? i dunno, because like you said, you dont gain much in terms of story time, but you lose a lot in terms of emotion and relationships. so yeah i agree, it did more damage than good, i just hope they realise that and inject some of tha back into the show, wouldnt change all that much right now but itd be a start

The Engineer
November 13th, 2005, 03:12 PM
i know, and thats what i mean. they cut out something which was trivial yes, but also very important to the show to make way for...what? i dunno, because like you said, you dont gain much in terms of story time, but you lose a lot in terms of emotion and relationships. so yeah i agree, it did more damage than good, i just hope they realise that and inject some of tha back into the show, wouldnt change all that much right now but itd be a start
I hope they change their minds and reinsert those team moments. Sometimes the small things matter the most.:)

Seshat
November 13th, 2005, 03:30 PM
i know, and thats what i mean. they cut out something which was trivial yes, but also very important to the show to make way for...what? i dunno, because like you said, you dont gain much in terms of story time, but you lose a lot in terms of emotion and relationships. so yeah i agree, it did more damage than good, i just hope they realise that and inject some of tha back into the show, wouldnt change all that much right now but itd be a start I think you are both right, they have been cutting out those moments to make room for story, and losing the very essence of the show in the process. Either that, or they have been taking a heck of a lot for granted with the viewership. They seem to expect us viewers to accept what they TELL us about the relationships, instead of showing us the very interactions that make the relationships so valuable. It IS the small things that matter most, and it's those small things that have been so lacking.

For me the BEST example of doing this correctly was the scene (I think it was in Avalon) where Mitchell is talking to Sam via the viewscreen (!) about her coming back and re-joining SG-1. No plot advancement there, no story arc groundwork, no cheesy wisecracks, but plain character development: one old-timer having a discussion with one newcomer, and I think we learned more about the character of Cam, and Sam's relationship with him, in those 45 seconds of screen time than we have in 10 subsequent episodes. It just goes to show what they can do with good writing.

KatG
November 13th, 2005, 04:21 PM
i don't think they care if the show lasts too much longer

i personally will be very surprised if stargate lasts past s10. i think the only reason it's been renewed now is because scifi wants bragging rights for the longest running us scifi show. once they get that, they won't care



This is pretty evident when you take into account that the writers/producers actually wanted to make S9 a spinoff and call it Stargate Command but the higher ups (SciFi, Sony etc) wouldn't go for it. Why? Because as you said that wouldn't have given them bragging rights and that's really what it all boils down to for them.

Skydiver
November 13th, 2005, 04:21 PM
I hope they change their minds and reinsert those team moments. Sometimes the small things matter the most.:)
the little things like the team moments are what makes us give a damn about the characters. it's what makes us care and when we care we tune in.

just take a look at bsg. peopel cared when starbuck was in her situation, they were upset when adama was in his situation, the conflict between Lee and Adama keeps your emotions engaged and i know some folks that were horribly outraged at what happened in Pegasus (trying not to spoil here)

and if you care about the characters, that emotion draws you into the story adn intrigues you

i care what happens to Kara or Lee. I want to find out what happens to six and even Gaius. and because i care i'm intersted

right now, i don't care all that much about vala and cam. cam was at death's door in an eps and most of the folks watching didn't even notice. he went missing in another eps and...no body seemed to even notice back at the sgc.

if they don't care, i don't care. and if i don't care i'm not gonna worry about tuning in

binkpmmc
November 13th, 2005, 04:22 PM
i don't think they care if the show lasts too much longer

it is, quite bluntly, getting too expensive to make. we have cast and crew who have been on teh show for almost 10 years. and, presumably, every year they get raises. so, just pulling numbers out of the air here, the person who got paid 50K per year in season 1 could be getting paid 60K a year now.

because of this, the overhead increases every year. the show gets more and more expensive. if they increase the cast, well they increase that bit of overhead because i sincerely doubt that they aske the existing cast members to each take a pay cut to bring in someone else

i personally will be very surprised if stargate lasts past s10. i think the only reason it's been renewed now is because scifi wants bragging rights for the longest running us scifi show. once they get that, they won't care

teh show will die and it may or may not take atlantis along iwth it

when you also add into this mix the growinig popularity of BSG, a show that scifi owns and controls totally, stargate starts to have some things definitely not in its favor

i jsut hope we don't get a repeat of farscape in the lines of 'have a whizz bang finale and, oops, cancelled. too bad, so sad'

I just saw an article that said Seventh Heaven had been cancelled by the WB network even though it was still getting very good ratings for the newtwork. They cite the fact that the show was getting too expensive to continue but they did last long enough to make the claim to the "longest running family drama on TV" and this made me think that next year we may very well see an article that says Stargate SG1 cancelled becuase it is too expensive but it was the longest running sci-fi show in the US at 10 years, even longer than X-Files. At this point I would be willing to bet $ that it is entirely plausible that this is the article we will see next year for Stargate as it is clear in the business that shows get cancelled for reasons other than low ratings and it seems to me all skiffy ever really cared about these past few years was getting to 10 years so they can make the claim for their network PR.

AGateFan
November 13th, 2005, 04:24 PM
the little things like the team moments are what makes us give a damn about the characters. it's what makes us care and when we care we tune in.

just take a look at bsg. peopel cared when starbuck was in her situation, they were upset when adama was in his situation, the conflict between Lee and Adama keeps your emotions engaged and i know some folks that were horribly outraged at what happened in Pegasus (trying not to spoil here)

and if you care about the characters, that emotion draws you into the story adn intrigues you

i care what happens to Kara or Lee. I want to find out what happens to six and even Gaius. and because i care i'm intersted

right now, i don't care all that much about vala and cam. cam was at death's door in an eps and most of the folks watching didn't even notice. he went missing in another eps and...no body seemed to even notice back at the sgc.

if they don't care, i don't care. and if i don't care i'm not gonna worry about tuning in
I didnt even even recognize that it was cam lying down. I dont know if it was the lighting or what but he just looked like a random redshirt to me.

binkpmmc
November 13th, 2005, 04:32 PM
ooh interesting, i guess a lot of decisions that scifi make will be based on ratings, and looking at these, it looks like theyll most likely be sticking with the direction that S9 is taking them ie with the whole vala thing

what this means for Sam and her being in more atlantis remains to be seen, i just hope they dont replace her with Vala purely because of these ratings


I see this whole ratings thing from a different angle - they pimped BB and CB so hard to the almost total exclusion of the lead, core integral characters that I really thought that they would be pulling in huge ratings with the influx of FS, BB and CB fans. These ratings say to me - where are all of those fans TPTB were pimping for? I have to believe that FS had to have more than a few hundred thousand fans? I think that either they lost a lot more Stargate fans after S8 than they thought they would and the BB/CB fans are just filling that loss, with a few extras thrown in, or they did not get the influx of BB/CB fans they thought other than a few hundred thousand that accounts for the increased number of households. Where are the numbers - these numbers would not make me feel any better if I were the networtk suit who had been pimping BB and CB to such an extent.

Skydiver
November 13th, 2005, 04:40 PM
you can also interpret those ratings another way. yes, they did pimp the stuffings out of ben and claudia. hoping, i'm sure, to draw in the scapers. well, farscape did a, what, close to a 1 or its ratings/???? just a ball park

so, theoretically, if stargate traditionally got 2, and farscape traditionally got 1, discounting for those that watch both shows and therefore can't be counted twice, you would expect the ratings to go up .25 or .50 as the scapers join the stargate viewers.

but that didn't happen. the ratings barely rose. or, for almost every farscape fan that joined, a stargate fan left

now i'm not saying that this is the case, and i have no real numbers i'm just supposing here.

if scifi really thinks that by pimping the farscape angle they're gonna gain viewers, well they did. but not very many.

and, while not trying to generalize too much, if any of the scapers that have joined are expecting or wanting a reprise of the john/aeryn angle, how long will they hang around when they don't get the ship they want?

Skydiver
November 13th, 2005, 04:41 PM
I didnt even even recognize that it was cam lying down. I dont know if it was the lighting or what but he just looked like a random redshirt to me.
i didn't either.

they shoulda made it a red shirt. i had no doubt that cam would get cured. seeing as his name is first in the credits :)

AGateFan
November 13th, 2005, 04:45 PM
i didn't either.

they shoulda made it a red shirt. i had no doubt that cam would get cured. seeing as his name is first in the credits :)
Yeah, kinda took the suspense out of it. Up until then I was kinda wondering if a bunch of people would die to prove the ori point. Once they said he was sick I knew everyone would get cured. I even knew the dead guys wouldnt stay dead.

ShardsofGlass
November 13th, 2005, 04:47 PM
you can also interpret those ratings another way. yes, they did pimp the stuffings out of ben and claudia. hoping, i'm sure, to draw in the scapers. well, farscape did a, what, close to a 1 or its ratings/???? just a ball park

so, theoretically, if stargate traditionally got 2, and farscape traditionally got 1, discounting for those that watch both shows and therefore can't be counted twice, you would expect the ratings to go up .25 or .50 as the scapers join the stargate viewers.

but that didn't happen. the ratings barely rose. or, for almost every farscape fan that joined, a stargate fan left

now i'm not saying that this is the case, and i have no real numbers i'm just supposing here.

if scifi really thinks that by pimping the farscape angle they're gonna gain viewers, well they did. but not very many.

and, while not trying to generalize too much, if any of the scapers that have joined are expecting or wanting a reprise of the john/aeryn angle, how long will they hang around when they don't get the ship they want?

Just a point of clarification here. You're not taking into consideration all of the Gaters who left when Rick left. Without doing extensive survey's it's virtually impossible to say what factors influenced the ratings, but the argument could be made that the ratings would've gone down quite a bit without RDA, and that the presense of BB and also CB to some extent prevented that from happening. In other words, the ratings are a wash.

ShadowMaat
November 13th, 2005, 04:57 PM
Oh, there will still be team moments. They'll be few and far between, but it'll be juuuust enough to convince SOME people that there's still hope and TPTB will be able to pat themselves on the back and point proudly and say, "See? Still full of team moments!" :rolleyes:

Hatcheter
November 13th, 2005, 10:05 PM
Just a point of clarification here. You're not taking into consideration all of the Gaters who left when Rick left. Without doing extensive survey's it's virtually impossible to say what factors influenced the ratings, but the argument could be made that the ratings would've gone down quite a bit without RDA, and that the presense of BB and also CB to some extent prevented that from happening. In other words, the ratings are a wash.

Does anybody know what a Sci-fi Channel ratings point is worth this season? I know it increased over each of the previous seasons; if it has gone up between season 8 and 9, the number of actual viewers may yet again be higher than the simple rating number would lead you to believe.

Nem2k
November 14th, 2005, 09:26 AM
Does anybody know what a Sci-fi Channel ratings point is worth this season? I know it increased over each of the previous seasons; if it has gone up between season 8 and 9, the number of actual viewers may yet again be higher than the simple rating number would lead you to believe.

well apparently its gone downa bit from 8 to 9:

S6. 1.69

S7. 1.65

S8. 2.01

S9. 1.96

(as posted on page 3)

but thats just after the first 10 eps...

AGateFan
November 14th, 2005, 09:31 AM
well apparently its gone downa bit from 8 to 9:

S6. 1.69

S7. 1.65

S8. 2.01

S9. 1.96

(as posted on page 3)

but thats just after the first 10 eps...
Stargate started strong last year because of all the Atlantis hype. It was also in a better time slot for 1/2 the year if I recall correctly. The true comparison comes in the second 1/2 of the season as the show will be in the same time slot and all over hypieness (Atlantis, and the CB, BB, BB2 hype) will be gone.

The Engineer
November 14th, 2005, 10:00 AM
I didnt even even recognize that it was cam lying down. I dont know if it was the lighting or what but he just looked like a random redshirt to me.
Me neither.
I had to watch that episode twice before I realised that tha guy lying down was Cam.

The Engineer
November 14th, 2005, 10:20 AM
I just saw an article that said Seventh Heaven had been cancelled by the WB network even though it was still getting very good ratings for the newtwork. They cite the fact that the show was getting too expensive to continue but they did last long enough to make the claim to the "longest running family drama on TV" and this made me think that next year we may very well see an article that says Stargate SG1 cancelled becuase it is too expensive but it was the longest running sci-fi show in the US at 10 years, even longer than X-Files. At this point I would be willing to bet $ that it is entirely plausible that this is the article we will see next year for Stargate as it is clear in the business that shows get cancelled for reasons other than low ratings and it seems to me all skiffy ever really cared about these past few years was getting to 10 years so they can make the claim for their network PR.

Last time I read something about the production costs for an SG-1 episode was something in the line of 1.7 millions $.
Let's say they want more than 10 seasons. Let's say the ratings stay good (according to the Sci Fi Channel's expectations) next year. What would be the critical cost of an SG-1 episode where Sci Fi Channel would say NO? 1.8? 1.9? 2.0? .... 2.5?

Olli
November 14th, 2005, 10:45 AM
Why should I watch the show without Janet?

Seshat
November 14th, 2005, 10:47 AM
Last time I read something about the production costs for an SG-1 episode was something in the line of 1.7 millions $.
Let's say they want more than 10 seasons. Let's say the ratings stay good (according to the Sci Fi Channel's expectations) next year. What would be the critical cost of an SG-1 episode where Sci Fi Channel would say NO? 1.8? 1.9? 2.0? .... 2.5?
No wonder they've just licensed action figures...LOL :p

AGateFan
November 14th, 2005, 10:54 AM
Why should I watch the show without Janet?
Its a hard choice, but I would completely understand if you choose not too.

Olli
November 14th, 2005, 12:06 PM
Its a hard choice, but I would completely understand if you choose not too.

I think a show which is on air for such a long time like Stargate will make somtimes some changes which push away some old fans but win some new fans on the other hand.

I was a fan from the first episode and Janet was my favourite. Now she is gone and against all hopes I think she will not come back, maybe I shoud close the stargate chapter and move on?

smurf
November 14th, 2005, 12:10 PM
This is probably in the wrong place because it's slightly positive, but my negativity is like a magnet to these threads. :D

Reading between the lines of Joe's blog (the latest and the previous entry), and the season renewal press release, it appears that Brad Wright is becoming involved in SG-1 again. Great news for fans of the team, hopefully.

Although, I'm not sure, after what will be 2+ years of rubbish and the negativity towards S2 of SGA, his influence will be enough to pull it back from the brink.
I have a horrible feeling it might be too late to save us from the saviour baby story. And RCC will still be showrunning in tandem.
(There you go, some negativity for the topic :p )

STARGATE7777
November 14th, 2005, 12:18 PM
What also irks me about season 9 is that some fans are so willing to wait for team moments or for character development to show that they actually give a hoot about one another. In season 1 we had Fire and Water when Daniel was thought to be dead. The anguish that the characters showed was genuine and came across on the screen. What we need is good writing and good acting.

AGateFan
November 14th, 2005, 12:18 PM
I think a show which is on air for such a long time like Stargate will make somtimes some changes which push away some old fans but win some new fans on the other hand.

I was a fan from the first episode and Janet was my favourite. Now she is gone and against all hopes I think she will not come back, maybe I shoud close the stargate chapter and move on?
I know there will be an ep with Frasier in it this year. I hope that they can somehow keep her around afterwards, but I doubt it. I suspect there is not much more stargate left and that which they will show will not be very.... Stargatey. So I am guessing you will have a lot of company should you choose to turn off the show for the final time.

Me personally. I choose to ignore Heros II and Threads (not too fond of Divide and Conqure either, but at least Martoufs death ment something) and continue watching for the other characters I love. Now Jack and Hammond are gone, we dont see Major Davis or Bratec or Thor so much. If they lose any of the other cast, or develop any of the new cast in more cringworthy ways then I too will click it off for the last time.

Nem2k
November 14th, 2005, 12:22 PM
This is probably in the wrong place because it's slightly positive, but my negativity is like a magnet to these threads. :D

Reading between the lines of Joe's blog (the latest and the previous entry), and the season renewal press release, it appears that Brad Wright is becoming involved in SG-1 again. Great news for fans of the team, hopefully.[/SIZE]

ive been out of the loop for a while...i know brad is now producing atlantis but i thought he was still attached to SG-1 in some way? or did he leave to do atlantis?

smurf
November 14th, 2005, 12:31 PM
ive been out of the loop for a while...i know brad is now producing atlantis but i thought he was still attached to SG-1 in some way? or did he leave to do atlantis?
He pretty much stepped away just after S6 - not sure why, but I suspect political/Skiffy meddling. He writes the odd episode, and appears to produce those shows (although RCC's name goes on the end), but he pretty much runs SGA. Which you'll notice a lot of people say has a better team dynamic than SG-1 this season.

AGateFan
November 14th, 2005, 12:31 PM
This is probably in the wrong place because it's slightly positive, but my negativity is like a magnet to these threads. :D

Reading between the lines of Joe's blog (the latest and the previous entry), and the season renewal press release, it appears that Brad Wright is becoming involved in SG-1 again. Great news for fans of the team, hopefully.

Although, I'm not sure, after what will be 2+ years of rubbish and the negativity towards S2 of SGA, his influence will be enough to pull it back from the brink.
I have a horrible feeling it might be too late to save us from the saviour baby story. And RCC will still be showrunning in tandem.
(There you go, some negativity for the topic :p )
Brad Wright is coming back?!!?! ooookkkkk I am a little more willing to give some time then...

Nem2k
November 14th, 2005, 12:34 PM
ooh very interesting!! it seems brad wright holds the key then, hmmm
who actually determines whether Brad comes back to SG-1 or not? Scifi? The other producers? Himself?

Skydiver
November 14th, 2005, 04:13 PM
i THINK one of the reasons for brad to step back was simply all the fuss made over s6. things were very tense and there was a huge fan outcry and brad bore the brunt of it. one fan even made a 'wanted dead or alive' poster with brad's pic on it

now he did take this stuff iwth good grace, but i would imagine that it was stressful

so he moved onto atlantis and started something fresh.

as to him staying involved in sg1, well both shows are made in teh same building. it's not like he moved to another state. I think making both shows is a huge group effort on part of the writers/producers

the dancer of spaz
November 14th, 2005, 08:20 PM
i THINK one of the reasons for brad to step back was simply all the fuss made over s6. things were very tense and there was a huge fan outcry and brad bore the brunt of it. one fan even made a 'wanted dead or alive' poster with brad's pic on it

now he did take this stuff iwth good grace, but i would imagine that it was stressful

so he moved onto atlantis and started something fresh.

as to him staying involved in sg1, well both shows are made in teh same building. it's not like he moved to another state. I think making both shows is a huge group effort on part of the writers/producers

Sheesh. While I'm not a fan of RCC's at the moment, I think such hostility is a bit... psychotic. :S

How do we know Brad Wright is coming back to SG-1, though? :S

The Engineer
November 15th, 2005, 01:50 AM
Now Jack and Hammond are gone, we dont see Major Davis or Bratec or Thor so much.
I don't know anything about Davis or Thor, but Bra'tac will be in a couple of episodes in second half of S9. But how good these episodes will be we all shall see.

The Engineer
November 15th, 2005, 01:55 AM
BTW I think that Janet if they choose to bring her back somehow (very unlikely) is if she is from another parallel world and comes to ours and asks for asylum (but would be a deja-vu).

Agent_Dark
November 15th, 2005, 02:47 AM
Sheesh. While I'm not a fan of RCC's at the moment, I think such hostility is a bit... psychotic. :S

How do we know Brad Wright is coming back to SG-1, though? :S
When JM was talking about a pitch for an SG1 episode, he said "I do know that Brad liked Morpheus".
So assuming that's Brad Wright he's talking about and assuming that BW doesn't already play a part in the story spinning process, it might mean that he's taking more of a role on SG1.

Kirara
November 15th, 2005, 03:44 AM
one fan even made a 'wanted dead or alive' poster with brad's pic on it



Are this people crazy? I don&#180;t know very much about US law but were I life doing stuff like this could bring someone in trouble.
Wouldn&#180;t be surprised if there were some of the same people behind who are now cry havoc if someone dares to say that he or she is missing Jack...

Skydiver
November 15th, 2005, 04:49 AM
the wanted poster happened a few years ago and i do think was more a case of someone gettting carried away with the whole situation and not thinking. a little 'gang mentality' set in. and i'm not calling them a gang, i'm referring to the philosophy of confidence in numbers. people get carried away and on a roll trying to accomplish something or get caught up in 'one upsmanship' and do things that they may normally not do

Kas
November 15th, 2005, 08:15 AM
When JM was talking about a pitch for an SG1 episode, he said "I do know that Brad liked Morpheus".
So assuming that's Brad Wright he's talking about and assuming that BW doesn't already play a part in the story spinning process, it might mean that he's taking more of a role on SG1.

Sounds like Morpheus could be an ATLANTIS episode, as Joe pitches/writes for both series.



I've always been better pitching on paper than delivering verbal pitches, so I wrote up a bunch of story ideas for both shows: Extreme Measures, In the Darkest Recesses, The Kindred, Suffer the Children, Yesterday Today and Tomorrow, The Tainted, and Morpheus. I do know that Brad liked Morpheus.

DarkQuee1
November 15th, 2005, 08:34 AM
handled his absence better imo. Showing Landry talking to him from time to time is fine, but I'd really like to see more references to him or bits with Sam/Daniel/Teal'c talking to him on the phone or referring to a recent conversation with him. Would just make me feel a little more like he was still a part.

The problem was not that RDA wanted to leave. *That* was something that the writers could not do anything about. However, the writers were in complete control as to *how* it was handled. After 10 eps of season 9, we still have no official information as to where Jack is, what he is doing, his relationship to the SGC. Nothing. Online fans have some idea because of things said online--that Jack is now the head of Homeworld Security--but the mainstream, non-online fan would still have absolutely no idea. And even *we* don't know for sure that it's accurate, because it still has not been said on the show. (And we still have no clue as what happened to Hammond.)

I think that this was a disgraceful way to address the loss of the character who had been the core character on the show, and a slap at all of the character's fans. Contrast this with the way they handled MS' walking out on the show.

Then again, it *is* in line with the disgraceful way they have treated RDA since he left. Cooper and Judge have gone out of their way, IMO, to insult him, and even Simon was set up to give the party line (why would you ask someone who didn't come on the show until season 5--a pretty tense season with Shanks' leaving, following by an even more tense on considering the invective that was being hurled at the show and TPTB--and who has been on about 6 times in total, what the difference is without RDA? Except to have someone else say how nice it is now that RDA's gone. And there's no question that it got back to RDA: view his foreword for the Season 7 & 8 Guide). It was classless.

Hmm, maybe *that's* why they have no problem with Vala?



Since some of us are talking ratings, I went to check and see the average for the first 10 episodes in from S6-now. And they are:

S6. 1.69

S7. 1.65

S8. 2.01

S9. 1.96


One thing you need to keep in mind is that SciFi has increased the number of households that get the station since season 6. (And there was a reason, IMO, why the 1st half of season 7 dropped slightly. Whereas the second half of season 7 rose over season 6--again for a specific reason, IMO.)

The problem with season 9 is that the ratings have gone down as the season progressed, which is not a good sign. Even worse, the mid-season cliffhanger did not do well, comparatively, and this ep is usually a strong one.



When JM was talking about a pitch for an SG1 episode, he said "I do know that Brad liked Morpheus".
So assuming that's Brad Wright he's talking about and assuming that BW doesn't already play a part in the story spinning process, it might mean that he's taking more of a role on SG1.

Merely indicating that he liked an ep does not mean that he's taking over a bigger role. More importantly, if BW liked "Morpheus" that much, he may be losing his touch!


In regard to Sam next year: according to people who were at Gambit (I believe that was the con), AT said that when RCC knew there was to be a season 10, he called MS, CJ, BB *and* CB, but he did not call her. She found out from one of the others and called him, and he said that they didn't know what to do with Sam. Excuse me? WTH?? They didn't know what to do with Sam? Gee, they no longer need an experienced military officer with science/tech knowledge? Because--what?--we're going to fight the Ori with our sunny personalities? Daniel's new biceps? Vala's spawn?


Then at a later time he said that they would give her 20 eps split between SG1 and Atlantis. Way to totally marginalize Sam even more. She won't be a real part of SG1 and they can't give her any thread/storylines if she's on Atlantis half the time; and Atlantis doesn't need another scientist, so she'd probably only be a foil for McKay, but this time with the roles reversed, that is, with McKay being the center and the person who's "right".

And it's not as if they have done anything much with Teal'c except ruin his character (why isn't he on Dakara, fighting for his people's future? Because Gerak was gaining adherents? Well, he was assured more of them if Teal'c wasn't even there to present another option, wasn't he?) Yet, they still seem to think they need him on the show. It is clear that they have decided to please both the Farscape fans and the anti-Sam contingent.

Whatever the reason in regard to the character, that was a terrible way to treat someone who has been with the show from the beginning and who has given them superb work over the last 8-1/2 years.


AT said something about that she might have had some feelers for another series. If that's the case, I say take it and run like hell.

J.

skritsys
November 15th, 2005, 08:42 AM
The whole idea of a season 10 seems overkill IMO.
I got hooked on SG-1 a few months ago, and ever since I have been watching all the earlier stuff and I have to admit that SG-A is picking up, but SG-1 is just junk food at the rate it is going. After watching it, it just kind of leaves me tired from the constant Ori this and Ori that. At least with the earlier seasons TPTB actually had some different stories that took off with the characters.
I almost hate bringing up this comparison but SG-1 is going the way of ST:ENT, IMO.

KatG
November 15th, 2005, 09:06 AM
Then again, it *is* in line with the disgraceful way they have treated RDA since he left. Cooper and Judge have gone out of their way, IMO, to insult him, and even Simon was set up to give the party line (why would you ask someone who didn't come on the show until season 5--a pretty tense season with Shanks' leaving, following by an even more tense on considering the invective that was being hurled at the show and TPTB--and who has been on about 6 times in total, what the difference is without RDA? Except to have someone else say how nice it is now that RDA's gone. And there's no question that it got back to RDA: view his foreword for the Season 7 & 8 Guide). It was classless.

Hmm, maybe *that's* why they have no problem with Vala?

I tend to agree with you. A couple of questions though. Who is Simon? And what Season 7 & 8 guide are you talking about? Could you quote what RDA said?

Skydiver
November 15th, 2005, 09:25 AM
she's probably talking about cliff simon...baal

and i agree. they have, either openly or backhandedly dissed RDA at every opportunity. In fact, AT is the only one to mention him in any sort of a positive light.

s9 has been touted as the best ever, we're having the most fun we've ever had, we get so much more done...yadda, yadda.

all comments meant to imply 'damn, we're glad that old fart is gone, we can have fun now.

now, to be fair, i'm sure it was a pain in teh butt to accomodate rick's schedule. i'm sure a lot of people worked very hard and were inconvenienced to make sure rick could make his flight.

but i did'nt hear them *****ing about it when rick's signing on was necessary before scifi would re-up the show. meeting rick's requirements gave them jobs and meant that there was a season 6, 7, 8 and yes, 9 and 10 not to mention 3 years of atlantis since, i'm sure, had the show died with season 5, the spin off would have died with it.
and yes, i agree with DQ that how Rob handled it with amanda was rude to the core. talk to and cosy up to the BRAND NEW USED TO BE GUEST ACTOR before you even bother to talk to your female lead????? that is a horrible slap in the face and an insult. even if they had no plans set in concrete they owed her the courtesy of a 'ok, see, we got this situation amanda.....' phone call.

take this into thought with the comments made by shanks this last weekend implying that sony/mgm/scifi don't really care about the individual actors anymore and you get a definite feeling that 'a big happy family' is just PR white wash. there's nothing family about it...unless you're related to a sicilian mafia group :)

THis is one reason taht s10 just doesn't fill me with joy. i'm seeing far too much interferrance from suits. i'm seeing what i'm interpreting as a way too submissive attitude on part of the show runner. i'm seeing a show that's going to treat some of its actors like crud while sucking up to others....which suggests that no matter who you like, their fate is only as secure as the fickle mood of some dude in an office in california.

I see stargate joining x-files, enterprise, voyager and otehr shows on the 'it WAS good' list and i see it fading away as some silly joke

it's really sad to see something good fade so much.

DarkQuee1
November 15th, 2005, 09:42 AM
Well, I see that the "I don't know how to read thread titles and just exactly what does 'ONLY' mean anyway?" contingent has made its first appearance. <<g>>



I tend to agree with you. A couple of questions though. Who is Simon? And what Season 7 & 8 guide are you talking about? Could you quote what RDA said?

Cliff Simon, who plays Ba'al. I don't have the book in front of me, so I am paraphrasing, but the last line of his piece in the book--which mostly talks about what a positive experience it was being on the show--ends with a line that essentially says that it seems that things go so much better now that he's not there.

I read a lot of hurt feelings in that line--and despite that, he still hasn't had a bad word to say about the show, including in the rest of his written piece for the book. Now, *that's* class.

J.

the dancer of spaz
November 15th, 2005, 09:47 AM
the wanted poster happened a few years ago and i do think was more a case of someone gettting carried away with the whole situation and not thinking. a little 'gang mentality' set in. and i'm not calling them a gang, i'm referring to the philosophy of confidence in numbers. people get carried away and on a roll trying to accomplish something or get caught up in 'one upsmanship' and do things that they may normally not do

Yeah... A psychologist could totally have a field day with any online fandom, if they felt so inclined. The results probably wouldn't look too good. :p

Amanda Eros
November 15th, 2005, 10:57 AM
she's probably talking about cliff simon...baal

and i agree. they have, either openly or backhandedly dissed RDA at every opportunity. In fact, AT is the only one to mention him in any sort of a positive light.

s9 has been touted as the best ever, we're having the most fun we've ever had, we get so much more done...yadda, yadda.

all comments meant to imply 'damn, we're glad that old fart is gone, we can have fun now.

now, to be fair, i'm sure it was a pain in teh butt to accomodate rick's schedule. i'm sure a lot of people worked very hard and were inconvenienced to make sure rick could make his flight.

but i did'nt hear them *****ing about it when rick's signing on was necessary before scifi would re-up the show. meeting rick's requirements gave them jobs and meant that there was a season 6, 7, 8 and yes, 9 and 10 not to mention 3 years of atlantis since, i'm sure, had the show died with season 5, the spin off would have died with it.
and yes, i agree with DQ that how Rob handled it with amanda was rude to the core. talk to and cosy up to the BRAND NEW USED TO BE GUEST ACTOR before you even bother to talk to your female lead????? that is a horrible slap in the face and an insult. even if they had no plans set in concrete they owed her the courtesy of a 'ok, see, we got this situation amanda.....' phone call.

take this into thought with the comments made by shanks this last weekend implying that sony/mgm/scifi don't really care about the individual actors anymore and you get a definite feeling that 'a big happy family' is just PR white wash. there's nothing family about it...unless you're related to a sicilian mafia group :)

THis is one reason taht s10 just doesn't fill me with joy. i'm seeing far too much interferrance from suits. i'm seeing what i'm interpreting as a way too submissive attitude on part of the show runner. i'm seeing a show that's going to treat some of its actors like crud while sucking up to others....which suggests that no matter who you like, their fate is only as secure as the fickle mood of some dude in an office in california.

I see stargate joining x-files, enterprise, voyager and otehr shows on the 'it WAS good' list and i see it fading away as some silly joke

it's really sad to see something good fade so much.

It is all really insulting. Though we've seen it coming since they just dropped Corin Nemic as soon as Shanks decided to return.

I personally thought that perhaps being that it was a Vancouver run show, it would be different from Hollywood. And it's not. It's just a job to them. All they want is green, and they don't care who they step on in the process.

What they don't realize is that if you make a quality show or movie, the sales will be greater over the long run then if you slap something together and throw the batman label on it. Yes, a lot of money up front, but sales will stink later. Just an example there, I'm so glad they've returned to quality with the latest one.

Another thing to think about, Ben and Claudia were Scifi channel actors longer than the Stargate actors. They have a history with them, so they are going to accommodate them better. Who knows if they didn't make promises to them about Farscape and then failed to dish out. Stargate might be just compensation for them. Though I don't know, it's just the way appears to me. Kind of like how they dropped Nemic from Stargate and shifted him to Mansquito. They even used, his Stargate time to publicize that movie to draw in a larger audience.

Though personally if you put these people that run these companies in front of a chess board, I'm sure they would pretty much not know how to come up with a winning strategy.

KatG
November 15th, 2005, 11:00 AM
Well, I see that the "I don't know how to read thread titles and just exactly what does 'ONLY' mean anyway?" contingent has made its first appearance. <<g>>

I'm actually surprised we made it this far without it happening. :rolleyes:


Cliff Simon, who plays Ba'al. I don't have the book in front of me, so I am paraphrasing, but the last line of his piece in the book--which mostly talks about what a positive experience it was being on the show--ends with a line that essentially says that it seems that things go so much better now that he's not there.

I read a lot of hurt feelings in that line--and despite that, he still hasn't had a bad word to say about the show, including in the rest of his written piece for the book. Now, *that's* class.

J.

Okay. Now it makes sense. I kept racking my brain for who Simon was and couldn't come up with a name for the life of me. :) But you're right. I found it very odd that they would interview him as to what it was like on S9 as opposed to S8 with RDA gone. Like he was in a position to really know.

And yes, I'm sure RDA was hurt. I'd be hurt. But he's definitely a classy guy.

And given that Amanda is the only one who seems to be sad that he's gone, is it any wonder that she's getting the short straw now, given everyone elses apparent feelings toward RDA's absence. Hmmm. I think I may have just had a "light bulb" moment here.

LaCroix
November 15th, 2005, 11:04 AM
This is what was said by RDA:

Excerpt from Stargate SG-1 The Illustrated Companion Seasons 7 and 8
By Thomasina Gibson

Dear T

These are stream of conscious missives, begun on impulse and ending
when I lose interest in hearing my own voice in my head or when I
get hungry. Do with them what you will….

On a day in a western state of the Untied States, inordinately cold
and rainy, I would set out to infuse the Internet waves with some
sensible sentiments about the past eight years of my life. Failure
to do so would be failing the request of someone who has grown to
become a dear friend and confidante. Thomasina Gibson has asked me
to contribute to her book in anyway I could. (Synonyms for ask:
plead, beg, threaten, harass, bargain, beat). When not working I
have a hard time getting out from under my rock, so I feel it is
terribly unfair of her to be so damned polite when actually making
her request. The girl is plagued with what I perceive to be
terminal politeness, and it is downright disarming when she arrives
in Vancouver , bats her sleep deprived, puppy dog eyes at me and
broguishly utters, ` Richard, wood yew doo thas far may, plas?' The
woman is ruthless. But a promise is a sign that I'll give it a
shot…..

`Anything' she said…..

What I really want the universe to know about the experience of
Stargate, from my perspective is that I never had the slightest idea
of what was happening. In oh, so many ways, this was a good thing.
Giving me too much information about anything is asking for trouble.
I think the writers early on sensed that things were cluttered
enough in my head, and took pity, sending Amanda and Shanks on those
technology-addled journeys of verbose which both of them handle with
astounding panache and creditability. If I could stay with either
of them to their conclusion, I would generally be so exhausted that
the famed `What' or `excuse me' or `Huh?' would be genuine. Bless
the people who can talk.

Thus O'Neill, the Dense.

One nondescript day in the southern part of California, I was
attacked by a debilitating need to jot some notes down, more or less
serving as an attempt to reflect. I had come to this moment in time
when all things, lofty and base, seemed even and fairly neutral.
Such insignificant matters as, oh say, what to do with the rest of
my life, suddenly loomed as fairly unimportant given that I had come
to some sort of agreement with my soul that whatever manifest
destiny, whatever the ultimate course of action and subsequent
result, would in fact, please me. Throwing proverbial caution to
the wind had historically been a credo held firm and true. Mine has
been a life of selfish preservation, clamouring about the globe
indulgently seeking no more or less than the adventure curiosity
affords. To be from Minnesota is to be prepared to engage people
with kind intentions, honest reflections, and willingness to assist
others in need of assistance. We are also prepared for cold
weather. It was twenty nine degrees below zero the day I was born;
my mother said, `That was just typical'.

So after eight year of regularly anticipating a re-entry into the
workforce after February of any given season, I sit here now
seriously contemplating life without Stargate. Gone is the social
and creative environment that has always been a cherished part of
any job I have held. I have relied upon `the set' to afford me the
comfort zone, the protected community in which I could romp and
play, create and collaborate, sass and support, hide and confide,
and indulge in the most cherished commodity of all: laughter.

Without meaning to cast a pall on the festivities, I will say that
time and distance tends to whittle away at relationships, and the
intensity of the wonderful evolution of potential seems to naturally
diffuse. What I sense by the nature of the friendships sown and
nurtured on planet Stargate is that I am understood and that which
has been established will endure, even with time and at a distance.

And, from what I understand, it is easier to get work done when I'm
not around.



And yes it's sad. Because for all that he did for people he didn't know at the beginning, to become friends and family with, it's like the estranged father/brother/uncle that you don't talk about. ETA: Anymore.

The Engineer
November 15th, 2005, 11:09 AM
I believe Cliff Simon said that there was less tension in the air because of the tight schedule of RDA. (I think so it was that).

KatG
November 15th, 2005, 11:16 AM
Thanks La Croix for posting that. Wow, he's extremely well versed isn't he? And I too find it sad that he's apparently very much aware of what's been said. Poor guy.

DarkQuee1
November 15th, 2005, 11:19 AM
I believe Cliff Simon said that there was less tension in the air because of the tight schedule of RDA. (I think so it was that).



I had hoped I could find the article/interview easily, but the only Cliff Simon one I came across was back in March and that's not it. As I remember it, he did not identify his comments as being associated with the scheduling problems. I wouldn't have had any problem with his comments if he had merely said that things were less stressed now because the schedule was easier, so I'm pretty sure that his comments were more general, since I remember their ticking me off!

J.

LaCroix
November 15th, 2005, 11:36 AM
Thanks La Croix for posting that. Wow, he's extremely well versed isn't he? And I too find it sad that he's apparently very much aware of what's been said. Poor guy.


Yes that he is. I also remember reading an interview way back when the show started, he and Michael Greenburg were getting used to finding various websites (maybe this one?). It seems that Jonthan Glassner had some bookedmarked and maybe both of them asked questions.

Who knows, maybe he has read whats been going on with the show up until now, maybe not. JMHO.

The Engineer
November 15th, 2005, 03:52 PM
I had hoped I could find the article/interview easily, but the only Cliff Simon one I came across was back in March and that's not it. As I remember it, he did not identify his comments as being associated with the scheduling problems. I wouldn't have had any problem with his comments if he had merely said that things were less stressed now because the schedule was easier, so I'm pretty sure that his comments were more general, since I remember their ticking me off!

J.

It was in a discussion about 9x07 Ex Deus Machina.
Here is the link:
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2005/08/cliffsimondiscussesexdeusm.shtml


Richard Dean Anderson's departure from the show has set a different stage. Cliff tells us that the tone of the show is slightly different, even from the perspective of a guest star.

"I felt it a little bit," he said. "I'm not obviously there every day like Chris and Michael, so they can definitely see. I found the crew, I think, to be a lot more relaxed, and in general the people on set were a lot more relaxed. Even though the show goes like clockwork, like a well-oiled machine, everyone seemed a little happier for whatever reason. I never really felt that with Richard Dean there that he was very hard on people or strict or that kind of thing as the producer. He can say anything he wants about the show. Now that he's not there, I don't know ... People are a little bit more relaxed and easy-going."

AGateFan
November 15th, 2005, 04:19 PM
Complaints and misgivings eh? Well Here goes. What happened to all of the true fans of Stargate. Can I expect a "Anti Season whatever thread" if the show continues on for 5 or 10 more years? This is rediculous. Season 9 is by far a great season. Sure it's had it's ups and downs but keep in mind only half the season has passed by and your already complaining about season 10. I realize everyone has there own opinions about whats going to happen and certain things have changed within the show, but if your still watching it you must still like the show. However, if your hate it or loathe it's renewal, I have a simple and constantly given solution. Stop watching Stargate.
Well then to be fair, if you don't like this thread. Stop posting in it.
Fair is fair after all.

EDIT: BTW, I am a true Stargate fan. Own every DVD. Convinced many, many people to start watching the show and I do hope with all my heart that the show returns to its roots and actually becomes a great show again. Right now it is just an OK show (IMHO) and spoilers indicate it may take a serious nose dive and become a crpy show (IMHO). I will watch it until it hits that mark. So if anyone, like me, wants to worry and complain about this type of thing and not annoy people in the Pro thread, then I think that everyone should be thrilled there is an anti thread.

AzMcNeil
November 15th, 2005, 04:35 PM
Well then to be fair, if you don't like this thread. Stop posting in it.
Fair is fair after all.

EDIT: BTW, I am a true Stargate fan. Own every DVD. Convinced many, many people to start watching the show and I do hope with all my heart that the show returns to its roots and actually becomes a great show again. Right now it is just an OK show (IMHO) and spoilers indicate it may take a serious nose dive and become a crpy show (IMHO). I will watch it until it hits that mark. So if anyone, like me, wants to worry and complain about this type of thing and not annoy people in the Pro thread, then I think that everyone should be thrilled there is an anti thread.

On that note, Thank you AGateFan. What you said is very true. I will not post here again but not because of what you said, but because I have made my point and should not have to visit this thread again. But in all fairness, until the show hits that mark where it is unredeemable we should all back it 100%. Hopefully it never comes to that. I think I speak for every true Staragate fan (much like yourself) I hope that when the show end, TPTB end it with the honor and justice it deserves.

P.S. Green for AGateFan :D

The Engineer
November 15th, 2005, 04:42 PM
hmmm!

Just because it says Anti in title thread doesn't mean we all fully against the show. I can not speak for everybody who posts here (nobody thinks the same about anything), so I speak only for me.
Just because I post on thread that has "Anti" in front of it doesn't mean I am ANTI. There is no full ANTI or full PRO. There is no WHITE or BLACK only shades of grey. I'm not anti, I only have complaints. Do I feel ridiculous about that? NO. Because it is my oppinion, and it is in everybody's nature to complain. Not for the sake of it but because something would bother us: wether it is a plot hole or a questionable TPTB decision, wether it is a not so good story or some goofs, wether a beloved charecter leaves or a character arrives. I know people that hate Stargate from its beggining. I don't tell them that they act ridiculous. Why? Because in matter of tastes there is no good or bad, no right or wrong, no appropriate or questionable. It is my right to post here (as long as I follow the rules).
I also post on ather threads such as PRO S10! Does this make me a full PRO? No. Am I not sicere (a hypocrit) because I write on Anti and in the same time on Pro? NO. Because I am not a man who thinks in black and white.
Will it be an Eleventh Season? I don't know. Would I want an Eleventh Season? Yes. Why? Because I love the show. And then you might ask why do I still post on an Anti thread? because there are things that bother me. In season 9. In season 10 - as rumours.
And then the question that might come in to your mind would be: Why do you watch Stargate and still post your negative thoughts about it? Why? Because I still have hopes for this show. Hopes from what we all just have seen so far in season 9 will improve in season 10. That when the show will end (hopefully not in season 10) won't be as a mere shadow of what it used to be.

Will there be an 15th season? I hope it will be, and better than season 9. Will there be an Anti Season 15 then? You betcha!! ;)
Will I post then in it? Maybe, if I will have complaints about it.

And about the ridicuous stuff. Do you think that people that think differently than you are ridiculous? Just because they don't think the way you do? Do you think that democracy is ridiculous?
Agree to disagree. That is one of this forum's rule. That is a democratic principle!

Agent_Dark
November 15th, 2005, 04:58 PM
Sounds like Morpheus could be an ATLANTIS episode, as Joe pitches/writes for both series.
Yes, but in the blog comments Joe mentioned that Morhpeus was a 'Carter episode'. Though that might not mean it's SG1 anyway... ;)

The Engineer
November 15th, 2005, 05:01 PM
Yes, but in the blog comments Joe mentioned that Morhpeus was a 'Carter episode'. Though that might not mean it's SG1 anyway... ;)
Ok, I've read this "Morpheus" episode title several times now. Is it a new episode? From season 10? or S3 (SGA)?

ToasterOnFire
November 15th, 2005, 05:07 PM
Er, how do we determine when the show is beyond redemption? When you say so? When 50% of the fans say so? 75%? 90%? When the ratings plummet? When the storylines are horrid? When characters leave? "Unredeemable" is way too subjective and you simply cannot assume that everyone will feel that way.

Many people DO here think that the show is past redemption. That's why they're posting here. And as The Engineer stated, anti-threads don't have to be against the entire season; many people post here just to vent about a particular episode, character, or whatever but like other aspects of the show.

For the record, I never back things 100%. I like to critically analyze things, pick at things, question decisions. It's my scientific nature. :D Season nine isn't holding up when I pick at it and I don't see things changing for season ten, hence my tentative anti-s10 status.

And let's not start the "true fan" argument - it's yet another subjective term that only divides the fandom.

Where the hell are my cookies? :D

smurf
November 15th, 2005, 05:09 PM
Sheesh. While I'm not a fan of RCC's at the moment, I think such hostility is a bit... psychotic. :S

How do we know Brad Wright is coming back to SG-1, though? :S
Psycho Penguins (don't ask :o ).

Re: Brad Wright.
I took it from a couple of things. Firstly the renewal press release worded BW and RCC involvement as "SG-1 co-creator Brad Wright and Robert C. Cooper will return as executive producers on both series" rather than the usual method of assigning the shows respectively.
But mostly from the fact JM didn't know whether he had any involvement in S10, which is very strange considering a) it was renewed and b) as executive producers, he and Paul showran half of S9 (according to his Ask Joe reply).
Along with how JM appears to be pitching ideas to Brad now, rather than having ideas pitched to him.

Of course, maybe RCC is going to run SG1 all on his lonesome...
Hmmm, is the correct response to that idea to laugh or cry? :rolleyes:

Re: The Stargate family.
I'm sure the idea of that originally came about because RDA wanted a fun and relaxed set. So no RDA and the family becomes a bit estranged?
Mind, I've always taken the concept with a pinch of salt.

LaCroix
November 15th, 2005, 05:14 PM
Psycho Penguins (don't ask :o ).

Re: Brad Wright.
I took it from a couple of things. Firstly the renewal press release worded BW and RCC involvement as "SG-1 co-creator Brad Wright and Robert C. Cooper will return as executive producers on both series" rather than the usual method of assigning the shows respectively.
But mostly from the fact JM didn't know whether he had any involvement in S10, which is very strange considering a) it was renewed and b) as executive producers, he and Paul showran half of S9 (according to his Ask Joe reply).
Along with how JM appears to be pitching ideas to Brad now, rather than having ideas pitched to him.

Of course, maybe RCC is going to run SG1 all on his lonesome...
Hmmm, is the correct response to that idea to laugh or cry? :rolleyes:

Re: The Stargate family.
I'm sure the idea of that originally came about because RDA wanted a fun and relaxed set. So no RDA and the family becomes a bit estranged?
Mind, I've always taken the concept with a pinch of salt.



Cry Smurf. cry.

Agent_Dark
November 15th, 2005, 05:22 PM
Ok, I've read this "Morpheus" episode title several times now. Is it a new episode? From season 10? or S3 (SGA)?
tentative episode title for a pitch. So it may not even make the grade for the next seasons, and if it does it may change name.

the dancer of spaz
November 15th, 2005, 05:24 PM
This is what was said by RDA:

Excerpt from Stargate SG-1 The Illustrated Companion Seasons 7 and 8
By Thomasina Gibson

Dear T

These are stream of conscious missives, begun on impulse and ending
when I lose interest in hearing my own voice in my head or when I
get hungry. Do with them what you will….

On a day in a western state of the Untied States, inordinately cold
and rainy, I would set out to infuse the Internet waves with some
sensible sentiments about the past eight years of my life. Failure
to do so would be failing the request of someone who has grown to
become a dear friend and confidante. Thomasina Gibson has asked me
to contribute to her book in anyway I could. (Synonyms for ask:
plead, beg, threaten, harass, bargain, beat). When not working I
have a hard time getting out from under my rock, so I feel it is
terribly unfair of her to be so damned polite when actually making
her request. The girl is plagued with what I perceive to be
terminal politeness, and it is downright disarming when she arrives
in Vancouver , bats her sleep deprived, puppy dog eyes at me and
broguishly utters, ` Richard, wood yew doo thas far may, plas?' The
woman is ruthless. But a promise is a sign that I'll give it a
shot…..

`Anything' she said…..

What I really want the universe to know about the experience of
Stargate, from my perspective is that I never had the slightest idea
of what was happening. In oh, so many ways, this was a good thing.
Giving me too much information about anything is asking for trouble.
I think the writers early on sensed that things were cluttered
enough in my head, and took pity, sending Amanda and Shanks on those
technology-addled journeys of verbose which both of them handle with
astounding panache and creditability. If I could stay with either
of them to their conclusion, I would generally be so exhausted that
the famed `What' or `excuse me' or `Huh?' would be genuine. Bless
the people who can talk.

Thus O'Neill, the Dense.

One nondescript day in the southern part of California, I was
attacked by a debilitating need to jot some notes down, more or less
serving as an attempt to reflect. I had come to this moment in time
when all things, lofty and base, seemed even and fairly neutral.
Such insignificant matters as, oh say, what to do with the rest of
my life, suddenly loomed as fairly unimportant given that I had come
to some sort of agreement with my soul that whatever manifest
destiny, whatever the ultimate course of action and subsequent
result, would in fact, please me. Throwing proverbial caution to
the wind had historically been a credo held firm and true. Mine has
been a life of selfish preservation, clamouring about the globe
indulgently seeking no more or less than the adventure curiosity
affords. To be from Minnesota is to be prepared to engage people
with kind intentions, honest reflections, and willingness to assist
others in need of assistance. We are also prepared for cold
weather. It was twenty nine degrees below zero the day I was born;
my mother said, `That was just typical'.

So after eight year of regularly anticipating a re-entry into the
workforce after February of any given season, I sit here now
seriously contemplating life without Stargate. Gone is the social
and creative environment that has always been a cherished part of
any job I have held. I have relied upon `the set' to afford me the
comfort zone, the protected community in which I could romp and
play, create and collaborate, sass and support, hide and confide,
and indulge in the most cherished commodity of all: laughter.

Without meaning to cast a pall on the festivities, I will say that
time and distance tends to whittle away at relationships, and the
intensity of the wonderful evolution of potential seems to naturally
diffuse. What I sense by the nature of the friendships sown and
nurtured on planet Stargate is that I am understood and that which
has been established will endure, even with time and at a distance.

And, from what I understand, it is easier to get work done when I'm
not around.



And yes it's sad. Because for all that he did for people he didn't know at the beginning, to become friends and family with, it's like the estranged father/brother/uncle that you don't talk about. ETA: Anymore.

This is the second time I've read this, and I just have to say that he's a dang good writer! :eek: The man should start his memoirs soon. He's great.

And yes, it's sad that the folks at Bridge might have been asked (read: ordered) to not speak of that MacGyver fellow ever again. 'Tis a shame. :( And incredibly insensitively and unprofessional.

The Engineer
November 15th, 2005, 05:32 PM
tentative episode title for a pitch. So it may not even make the grade for the next seasons, and if it does it may change name.
I found the JM's blog. But he doesn't give any details about the episode. I can only assume that is something about sleep, dreams or something like that.

ToasterOnFire
November 15th, 2005, 05:36 PM
Or SG1 enters the Matrix. We had leather outfits in TTTB, now all we need is wires, stopped bullets (Oh wait, they already did that in Prototype!) and pounding trance music. :D


Damnit, I keep on posting here and forgetting to add the thread to my subscription...

LaCroix
November 15th, 2005, 05:37 PM
I'm not begrudging RDA time with his daughter. I think the death of his father back in 2003 had a major factor in his decision. I just think that someone somewhere would recognize his time served in the show.

Agent_Dark
November 15th, 2005, 05:42 PM
Or SG1 enters the Matrix. We had leather outfits in TTTB, now all we need is wires, stopped bullets (Oh wait, they already did that in Prototype!) and pounding trance music. :D


Damnit, I keep on posting here and forgetting to add the thread to my subscription...
Haha, I thought of that too (before I did some 'Google Research' on who Morpheus actually is ;)

Hey, if it gets me Sam kicking arse with a pistol and leather in bullet time, then I'm all for it :D :P

smurf
November 15th, 2005, 05:43 PM
Cry Smurf. cry.
Like a river, it flows.

They might be tears of hilarity though.

The Engineer
November 15th, 2005, 05:44 PM
I'm not begrudging RDA time with his daughter. I think the death of his father back in 2003 had a major factor in his decision. I just think that someone somewhere would recognize his time served in the show.
Maybe he thought that he would like to spend more time with his daughter, thinking that if he can not spend time with his father would better be with his daughter. After all time passes by and never comes back. (I would do the same.)

LaCroix
November 15th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Maybe he thought that he would like to spend more time with his daughter, thinking that if he can not spend time with his father would better be with his daughter. After all time passes by and never comes back. (I would do the same.)


I would too.

David
November 15th, 2005, 07:19 PM
FOR COMPLAINTS AND MISGIVINGS ONLY (the thread title) is not a suggestion. This thread is protected and is a safe harbor ONLY for folks who do NOT want an SG-1 Season 10. Treat it as you would any ship/thunk thread. You cannot just waltz in and start tearing into everyone. Even if you want to try to change their minds.

I'm sure there's a pro Season 10 thread somewhere in here anyway. If not, start one, and leave the Anti folks alone.

Do I agree with them on this point? No. But they have just much right to a free flow of ideas as you do.

The Engineer
November 16th, 2005, 01:18 AM
FOR COMPLAINTS AND MISGIVINGS ONLY (the thread title) is not a suggestion. This thread is protected and is a safe harbor ONLY for folks who do NOT want an SG-1 Season 10. Treat it as you would any ship/thunk thread. You cannot just waltz in and start tearing into everyone. Even if you want to try to change their minds.

I'm sure there's a pro Season 10 thread somewhere in here anyway. If not, start one, and leave the Anti folks alone.

Do I agree with them on this point? No. But they have just much right to a free flow of ideas as you do.
Right.
BTW I edited back the post.:)

Hatcheter
November 16th, 2005, 04:00 AM
Hi, pro-leaning type popping in, just to comment on the Brad Wright discussion from a few pages back. IMdb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374455/) is showing that Carl Binder and Martin Gero have been promoted to co-executive producer and producer, respectively, for Atlantis. This presumably gives Wright a little less responsibility there, and more time to work on SG-1. Can't say that for sure, but it seems possible, right?

Skydiver
November 16th, 2005, 04:31 AM
Like david said, this is the place to complain and grouse about s10. a place to vent all your negativity.

and yes, there is a pro thread. in this very folder.

and if you're in the mood for a debate, there's a general discussion thread too.

something for every taste

Owen's been talking in his thread about the attitudes around here and what's been happening to this thread is a perfect example.

have any of the folks that dislike s10 been going over to the pro thread and spamming it???? I haven't gotten any reports of bad posts so i'm presuming not.

people are repsecting those that wish to remain positive....so why is it that those that don't or who want to have a quiet place to complain have to put up with being spammed in this thread?????

mutual respect.

KatG
November 16th, 2005, 06:02 AM
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Of course, maybe RCC is going to run SG1 all on his lonesome...
Hmmm, is the correct response to that idea to laugh or cry? :rolleyes:


If that's the case, I'm gonna need a whole box of Kleenex. Maybe several.:(

Skydiver
November 16th, 2005, 07:16 AM
If that's the case, I'm gonna need a whole box of Kleenex. Maybe several.:(
i'm thinking alcohol is more in order ;)

a nice strong margarita can make even the worst eps laughable

LaCroix
November 16th, 2005, 07:34 AM
i'm thinking alcohol is more in order ;)

a nice strong margarita can make even the worst eps laughable


Well depending how bad/good the episodes are

Worst.-- EverClear.
Ok.-- Jim Beam.
Alright.-- Bud.

The Engineer
November 16th, 2005, 08:00 AM
i'm thinking alcohol is more in order ;)

a nice strong margarita can make even the worst eps laughable
Yeah! And some of your friends to suffer with you. there is no fun if you are the only one that suffers.;)
Friends and alcohol (off course if you are over 18 it is OK here in Romania, I don't know the legal age for drinking alcohol in other countries (21?)) is an intersting mix.:p

KatG
November 16th, 2005, 08:00 AM
i'm thinking alcohol is more in order ;)

a nice strong margarita can make even the worst eps laughable

You may be onto something. Although I think I may need more than one. :)

The Engineer
November 16th, 2005, 08:05 AM
You may be onto something. Although I think I may need more than one. :)
...or something with lots of degrees:p . Instant satisfaction garanteed. Then you won't feel a thing, not to mention what is on TV.

KatG
November 16th, 2005, 08:07 AM
...or something with lots of degrees:p

I might be willing to try it, if I knew what you meant. :)

The Engineer
November 16th, 2005, 08:44 AM
I might be willing to try it, if I knew what you meant. :)

1 degree is 1% alcohol (only in matters of alcohol).

Water, soft drinks, milk, coffe.....0 degrees (%) alcohol
Beer ......................................up to 12 degrees (%)
wine .....................................up to 24 degrees (%)
vodka, tzuica, sake, palinca.......50 degrees (%)
pure alcohol............................100 degrees (%)

I may be wrong on how much alcohol has some of the aloholic drinks I gave you as examples, but I hope I made myself understood.

SimilarCadence
November 16th, 2005, 08:57 AM
I think that this was a disgraceful way to address the loss of the character who had been the core character on the show, and a slap at all of the character's fans. Contrast this with the way they handled MS' walking out on the show.

Then again, it *is* in line with the disgraceful way they have treated RDA since he left. Cooper and Judge have gone out of their way, IMO, to insult him, and even Simon was set up to give the party line (why would you ask someone who didn't come on the show until season 5--a pretty tense season with Shanks' leaving, following by an even more tense on considering the invective that was being hurled at the show and TPTB--and who has been on about 6 times in total, what the difference is without RDA? Except to have someone else say how nice it is now that RDA's gone. And there's no question that it got back to RDA: view his foreword for the Season 7 & 8 Guide). It was classless.

Hmm, maybe *that's* why they have no problem with Vala?


Regarding RDA's departure, I couldn't help wondering at the time if something more was going on behind the scenes with the way TPTB and some of the cast went out of their way (at cons and in interviews) to diss him. Something else that bothered me was RDA's scenes in Origins. My personal take on his acting is that he was either ill or in pain because that was not a typical RDA performance. Why would any director or producer let him be filmed at his worst and leave it that way? It was as though they didn't care if RDA came off looking bad (and, oh, how the anti-RDA crowd went for the jugular on that one!). Seems to me that if a producer or director is good friends (or at the least, good acquaintances) with the actor in front of the camera, he's going to want that actor to look good and will go out of his way to make a bad shot better. It's pretty clear, imho, that no such effort was made there.... It was as though TPTB wanted to make him look bad.

Having now read RDA's forward to the Seasons 7 & 8 Guide (thanks, La Croix), I agree with the consensus that RDA was hurt by the way he was treated by his Bridge friends and "family" after he left. No loyalty, no gratitude from people who definitely owed a lot to him.




Originally Posted by KatG
And given that Amanda is the only one who seems to be sad that he's gone, is it any wonder that she's getting the short straw now, given everyone elses apparent feelings toward RDA's absence. Hmmm. I think I just had a "light bulb" moment here.

Yep---standing under the same light bulb here. Poor Amanda. I respect her all the more for not taking part in the highschool-level treatment the others have given RDA. It's a sad world where someone gets the short straw for being a genuinely nice person with a kind, loving heart. Even sadder for us fans when the people dishing it out are the same people we've loved, trusted and respected over the past eight seasons. Disillusioning, to say the least. (I'm going to stop now in case someone's thinking of telling me there's no Santa Claus...)

KatG
November 16th, 2005, 09:09 AM
I may be wrong on how much alcohol has some of the aloholic drinks I gave you as examples, but I hope I made myself understood.

Perfectly clear. Now where's my drink? 8)

Skydiver
November 16th, 2005, 09:21 AM
scifi friday has become a 'have booze on hand' night

some eps, i sip my margarita all evening, other eps, such as FOR ME, lifeboat....oh, i think i was on my third by the time it ended :)

one fun thing to do is have a drinking game

have a drink every time

teal'c says indeed
daniel pouts
sam gets a boyfriend
cameron jumps excitedly
vala changes clothes

you get the idea

you do have to be careful though, some eps are so full of these predictible moments that you'll be smashed by the mid break

smurf
November 16th, 2005, 09:32 AM
We should have a Stargate drinking game for next season.

A drink for each time:
Daniel makes his confused face
Teal says "indeed"
Vala says something sexual
Sam has a man moon over her
It occurs to you that Cam is meant to be the leader

:p

ETA: Skydiver :eek:, beat me to it. That'll teach me not to update the thread.

The Engineer
November 16th, 2005, 09:40 AM
Vala says something sexual

That would be odd, very odd considering that she will be pregnant :eek:
Hollowed are the sharks, lets all jump at them!

smurf
November 16th, 2005, 09:49 AM
That would be odd, very odd considering that she will be pregnant :eek:
Hollowed are the sharks, lets all jump at them!
Only if the writers honestly think a woman undergoes a complete personality change as soon as they get a bun. :rolleyes:

LaCroix
November 16th, 2005, 10:16 AM
I think it was last week that Bravo had a Happy Days re-union special on. I thought funny, because they didn't show the jumping the shark clip.

Why did I find this all amusing. You have to look at who RDA worked with and for on Mac-- Henry "The Fonz" Winkler. I think he'd learned something from the man. His personal life aside, maybe he felt the writing was slipping. He did say, and I'm paraphrasing, something about good stories will keep viewers coming back.

I also would think as an Exe. Producer, as limited as he was in s7 and s8, the pre-production and post-production meetings, maybe he fought against the changes done during those seasons. Maybe the final vote was up to Sony/MGM and Skiffy and he lost. Maybe even current changes.

I know some people say he should have said something about Janet, but since Gekkco is a corporation, he and Michael Greenburg are subject to the same laws applied to say like GM and Ford. If one/both are there, it's a meeting of the board, and THAT you do not comment on in the press or outside the office.

I too agree that somewhere along the line, he did feel let down by the people he came to trust. I hope with all his connections in the film and tv industry, he'll be able to sign on to another project soon.

The Engineer
November 16th, 2005, 10:47 AM
The things some people would do for money.
First they use you: we need you, we are a family, we are your friends.":)"
Then they throw you away like garbage: wtf are you? what do you want? gfy!:eek:
If that is what happened they are slimy ba_tards.

The Engineer
November 16th, 2005, 10:55 AM
Here is another question.
If TPTB got tired of the old cast, why do they bother to marginalize (to throw their characters on some dead levels arc) when they know this is season 10? After all it might be their last. I don't know how those Sci Fi's brass minds work and after they get their magical 2 digit number of seasons (they are trying to get for the last few years) they say: "To the f%#c with this show! We have set the record. It's time for it to become history."

Olli
November 16th, 2005, 11:36 AM
FOR COMPLAINTS AND MISGIVINGS ONLY (the thread title) is not a suggestion. This thread is protected and is a safe harbor ONLY for folks who do NOT want an SG-1 Season 10.

I do NOT want an SG-1 Season 10!

I don't like the changes they had made!

I don't like season 9!

I don't like season 8!

I don't like Mitchell!

I don't like Vala!

I don't like Teal'c's hair!

I don't like Lam!

I don't like Landry!

I don't like the whole Merlin/King Arthur/Excalibur thing!

I don't like colour of the floor in the stargate room!

They ruined the show!

ARGH!!:mad:

KatG
November 16th, 2005, 11:39 AM
Hmm. I'm getting the sense you don't want a season 10. ;)

ToasterOnFire
November 16th, 2005, 12:25 PM
They changed the color of the stargate room's floor? Man, I'm just not paying enough attention to things. Ya learn something new every day. :D

Skydiver
November 16th, 2005, 12:33 PM
We should have a Stargate drinking game for next season.

A drink for each time:
Daniel makes his confused face
Teal says "indeed"
Vala says something sexual
Sam has a man moon over her
It occurs to you that Cam is meant to be the leader

:p

ETA: Skydiver :eek:, beat me to it. That'll teach me not to update the thread.
wanna know what's scary? i made that list up. i haven't read the drinking game thread

ShimmeringStar
November 16th, 2005, 01:23 PM
The things some people would do for money.
First they use you: we need you, we are a family, we are your friends.":)"
Then they throw you away like garbage: wtf are you? what do you want? gfy!:eek:
If that is what happened they are slimy ba_tards.
:eek: My goodnes TE! That's an awful lot of curse words there!:o

Here is another question.
If TPTB got tired of the old cast, why do they bother to marginalize (to throw their characters on some dead levels arc) when they know this is season 10? After all it might be their last. I don't know how those Sci Fi's brass minds work and after they get their magical 2 digit number of seasons (they are trying to get for the last few years) they say: "To the f%#c with this show! We have set the record. It's time for it to become history."In answer to your question, it why bother to marginalize them... SciFi/MGM/Sony still need the original characters to draw in the high viewer ratings so they can charge high advertising fees and continue to make money off of merchandise bearing the images of the original team. I'm not sure they (not the writers - I mean the corporate PTB) care how the stories are written, how the characters are treated, etc., they just want the hour slot to be filled.

Rob Cooper (in a blurb on GW.net) said they'd asked their PTB for a name change and it was turned down. The writers seemed to have wanted to make a cleaner 'break' or distinction between the original SG: SG1 show and the 'new improved, newer cast' show, but their PTB didn't want it... likely much afraid that the viewers wouldn't tune their TV's into it. (Look how they put different colored uniforms on Dan & Cam and had MS grow the beard --- because they thought the viewers lacked the intelligence to tell the difference between MS and BB.....)

And money's the name of the game.....

Nem2k
November 16th, 2005, 02:04 PM
Rob Cooper (in a blurb on GW.net) said they'd asked their PTB for a name change and it was turned down. The writers seemed to have wanted to make a cleaner 'break' or distinction between the original SG: SG1 show and the 'new improved, newer cast' show, but their PTB didn't want it... likely much afraid that the viewers wouldn't tune their TV's into it. (Look how they put different colored uniforms on Dan & Cam and had MS grow the beard --- because they thought the viewers lacked the intelligence to tell the difference between MS and BB.....)

And money's the name of the game.....

well that gives me hope in knowing that at least the writers are aware that the show isnt SG-1 anymore :rolleyes:

tbh, Im kinda wishing SG-1 had stayed on showtime. yeah, it wouldn't have lasted as long but at least back then TPTB actually cared about the show and what the fans thought. Now everything is driven by money, by wanting the show to hold the record of longest running scifi. The show is being driven by all the wrong things which I resent

for the past 8 years myself, as well as pretty much all other old school fans, have invested a lot of time and emotion into the show because we thought it was something great. It just breaks my heart now that SG-1, which was probably the greatest show to have graced our screens, is going down a very slippery slope for the sake of getting more viewers and breaking new records, and people have forgotten what the show is about and what made it great :(

One final season with the original cast portraying the iconic characters of Jack, Sam, Dan and Teal'c is all I ask for. I would much prefer that to having 5 more seasons of the show as it is

The Engineer
November 16th, 2005, 03:02 PM
:eek: My goodnes TE! That's an awful lot of curse words there!:o

Oh, no, far from me my intention to horripilate. I am not an american and here we don't talk with abbreviations such as ASAP, ETA, dirty language - we just speak it (off course with the appropriate reservartion towards those who might not like those words or children).


In answer to your question, it why bother to marginalize them... SciFi/MGM/Sony still need the original characters to draw in the high viewer ratings so they can charge high advertising fees and continue to make money off of merchandise bearing the images of the original team. I'm not sure they (not the writers - I mean the corporate PTB) care how the stories are written, how the characters are treated, etc., they just want the hour slot to be filled.

Interesting. Just to fill an hour slot. Very very interesting, if you come to think they are selfish. Let's say they go to a fancy restaurant and they want o eat. And by eating I mean not just fill their bellies. No they want exquisite food expensive wine. They want quality. So do we. We want a good show. Not just an occupied hour slot of sci fi. We want our "food" to be exquisite too.


And money's the name of the game.....

Oh, I know, like everybody else does in this world. Now the second question that comes into my mind (I've asked it before): What would be the cost barrier? (1.7 mil $ per episode last time I read) When TPTB says that their costs are larger than their benefits or the profit would be too small for them?

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 16th, 2005, 03:55 PM
have a drink every time
teal'c says indeed
daniel pouts
sam gets a boyfriend
cameron jumps excitedly
vala changes clothes

A drink for each time:
Daniel makes his confused face
Teal says "indeed"
Vala says something sexual
Sam has a man moon over her
It occurs to you that Cam is meant to be the leader
That would be interesting, good thinking. Green for Smurf (Skydiver, I was going to give you some but, i have to spread it around first).

KatG
November 16th, 2005, 06:36 PM
We should have a Stargate drinking game for next season.

A drink for each time:...

It occurs to you that Cam is meant to be the leader

:p



If I have to wait for that I doubt I'll get to drink anything. :p

Hubble
November 16th, 2005, 08:34 PM
Yep---standing under the same light bulb here. Poor Amanda. I respect her all the more for not taking part in the highschool-level treatment the others have given RDA. It's a sad world where someone gets the short straw for being a genuinely nice person with a kind, loving heart. Even sadder for us fans when the people dishing it out are the same people we've loved, trusted and respected over the past eight seasons. Disillusioning, to say the least. (I'm going to stop now in case someone's thinking of telling me there's no Santa Claus...)

IMO, those people were pretty much just spewing forth the party line -- don't talk about missing Rick, what his absence will mean -- accentuate the positives; how great S9 is going to be, how much fun they are all having, how it would be easier on everyone not to have to deal with Rick's schedule. Rick's gone, let's move on, etc.

In theory that is fine. But the way it came out, came across, IMO, just left *some* of the people who said those things looking like they had no class; it reflected very poorly on them (IMO).

No matter who one's favorite actor is/favorite character is, I don't think there are too many people who could deny what Rick meant to the show, that without him sticking around for those last few years, everyone involved with the show would be out looking for different jobs now instead of shooting S9.

And, the people who said things or dissed him -- well they aren't people I've loved, respected or trusted over the past 8 years; I reserve those feelings for people I ACTUALLY know.

Whatever the PTB were trying to prove by writing Jack's exit as they did, they failed completely. From everything I've read on-line or heard in real conversations, almost everyone thinks Jack's exit was horribly written and are annoyed by it. PTB did themselves no favors in this case.

S10? I certainly have no interest in watching Vala prance around with Daniel beside here. When she's around, he's just reduced to making those exaggerated facial expressions. Very sad.

Skydiver
November 17th, 2005, 04:37 AM
i'm sure that's what it was.

let's be positive, let's talk up the changes, they're bigger, better

after all they have to convince US that the changes are for the best and they're not going to talk down things

however, in pimping the good, they did go a bit overboard and did it clumsily and it did and still does come off as 'thank GOD that draggy old man is gone. now we can really have some fun' even if they don't mean it that way

that's how people are seeing it adn the sheer clumsiness of how they've handled it HAS ticked people off. and this is a point in time when they need every fan they can get

tony
November 17th, 2005, 04:41 AM
I dunno about you guys but im pro choice. :)

skritsys
November 17th, 2005, 06:37 AM
Have a drink every time you see a trailer or a clip for another SG-1 ep from S9 on.

smurf
November 17th, 2005, 03:42 PM
If I have to wait for that I doubt I'll get to drink anything. :p
There you go, we've been wondering what Mitchell is good for...
He's good for your health.
:p

Olli
November 17th, 2005, 03:43 PM
Hmm. I'm getting the sense you don't want a season 10. ;)

Thank you! I still feared I didn't make my opinion audible!;)

Olli
November 17th, 2005, 03:55 PM
They changed the color of the stargate room's floor? Man, I'm just not paying enough attention to things. Ya learn something new every day. :D

I never liked the colour of the floor in the stargate room. It make my sick, it is annoying, boring and disappointing.

But in the past the episodes were good enought to let me forget my anger about that ill colour. But now... I'm looking very often to the floor in the SGC or the walls or the trees in shots outside the SGC because it is more interesting as the acting or most of the actors!;)

And I fear it will go on like this in season 10!

EmmaPeel
November 17th, 2005, 07:28 PM
i'm sure that's what it was.

let's be positive, let's talk up the changes, they're bigger, better

after all they have to convince US that the changes are for the best and they're not going to talk down things

however, in pimping the good, they did go a bit overboard and did it clumsily and it did and still does come off as 'thank GOD that draggy old man is gone. now we can really have some fun' even if they don't mean it that way




Exactly; no class. What can you expect from some actors whose favorite story (it seems) is to tell fans at cons about one of them coming to the other ones' wedding in a kilt, sans underwear, with a serious case of the trots. Heehaw! Let the fun begin on the set.

I have to chuckle, though, regarding CJ's comment about them being seen previously as RDA and the 3 smucks (or some such thing); that in S9 it was much more of an ensemble with ALL characters being showcased equally. Right! Teal'c is as underused as he ever was and now it's more like Vala and the 4 smucks.

Oh, yeah, I'm really looking forward to S10 - Vala and the baby; just can't wait.!!!!! Boring!

Seshat
November 17th, 2005, 07:52 PM
scifi friday has become a 'have booze on hand' night

some eps, i sip my margarita all evening, other eps, such as FOR ME, lifeboat....oh, i think i was on my third by the time it ended :)

one fun thing to do is have a drinking game

have a drink every time

teal'c says indeed
daniel pouts
sam gets a boyfriend
cameron jumps excitedly
vala changes clothes

you get the idea

you do have to be careful though, some eps are so full of these predictible moments that you'll be smashed by the mid break Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are all obviously lightweights when it comes to Stargate drinking games. :rolleyes: I have done some serious reasearch into this very subject, and must now remind you guys yet again that the very best drinking game is to have a shot each and every time the klaxon goes off. Of course, this game is best played after popping "Avatar" into the DVD player. ;)

I seriously doubt that S10 will present any eps to equal this level of quality fun. :p

Agent_Dark
November 17th, 2005, 08:12 PM
Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are all obviously lightweights when it comes to Stargate drinking games. :rolleyes: I have done some serious reasearch into this very subject, and must now remind you guys yet again that the very best drinking game is to have a shot each and every time the klaxon goes off. Of course, this game is best played after popping "Avatar" into the DVD player. ;)

Haha :D

Everytime Sam says 'sir' or Teal'c raises his eyebrows are good ones too :)

the dancer of spaz
November 17th, 2005, 08:20 PM
Every time it's mentioned that Sam's "at Atlantis doing such-and-such" will be a keeper for SG-1. :rolleyes:

Every time it's mentioned that Sam's "back at the SGC doing such-and-such" will be a keeper for Atlantis.

Every time Daniel, Vala or Cam says a line that sounds waaay too Jack-ish...

Oy. It's a good thing I don't drink. ;)

The Engineer
November 17th, 2005, 09:52 PM
Me, I like drinking beer after beer with my buddies. And you know what? I still can't get drunk to pass out under the table. Because it's beer.

Crichton
November 18th, 2005, 12:43 AM
The ultimate drinking game is tied between two contenders...

First take a drink everytime you hear the word "bats" during the movie Bats. You better have atleast 50 beers in your house before attempting this. (EX: "Do you see any bats? No, now that you mention bats, I haven't seen bats for some time. Hmm...bats you say, that reminds me of a bat story I heard as a kid saying that bats will take over the world and establish a bat colony for bats and only bats.")

Second, play Bushido Blade versus mode and drink every time you lose, those of you who know this game will see the genius in turning this into a drinking game without me explaining it.

The Engineer
November 18th, 2005, 01:04 AM
A small piece of advise: eat lard ;) before you go to a drinking contest so your body can't absorb the alcool. And thus you win the contest.:D
Now the question that arises from this is: what to do when it is not a contest? And you watch a bad SG-1 episode (say 9x04 The Ties That Bind). Would you really like to be sober? Or you would like a brain anesthesia so you won't feel any pain while watching that episode? And if it is a contest, the only contest I see is: Who passes out first? You because you didn't eat lard before drinking? Or the TV because you set it to automatically turn off shortly after the episode is over?
That is a real dilema.

Skydiver
November 18th, 2005, 04:32 AM
Ties taht Bind is definitely a drinkie eps.

you know, if t were another show that would have been different. but it was such a blatant farscape ripoff i k ep waiting for the puppets to show up :rolleyes:

The Engineer
November 18th, 2005, 04:48 AM
Message to TPTB:
Don't you even think of doing another episode like that in season 10:eek: !
Have mercy of me! I'll enter in an alcoholic coma.

note: I know you don't care, but that "stunt" of yours really really annoyed me.:mad:

LtColCarter
November 18th, 2005, 06:28 AM
I'm curious...how can we have an anti-season 10 thread...for complaints and misgivings...when its not even here yet? We've only finished the front half of season 9! Anything about season 10 is just rumor, assumption, conjecture at this point.

ToasterOnFire
November 18th, 2005, 06:29 AM
A small piece of advise: eat lard ;) before you go to a drinking contest so your body can't absorb the alcool. And thus you win the contest.:D
:eek: I'm pretty sure that doesn't work. Lard would coat the stomach just fine (eeewww), but alcohol is absorbed in the gut and I think the lard would have broken down by then. I may be wrong, but don't bank on that technique. You could use it as a practical joke though. Meanie. :D

Other drinking ideas for s10:
-Drink every time we see or someone talks about Vala spawn.

-Drink every time there's talk about religion (Ori or Cam's granny).

-Drink every time Daniel appears frustrated with Vala.

-Drink every time Vala says something sexual (instant drunk right there! :D)

-Drink every time Lam rolls her eyes at her da.

-Drink every time Cam tries a cute quip.

-Drink the whole bottle if someone explains what happened to Jack.

-Go to the liquor store and buy everything you see if there's a Sam/Jack wedding. Ditto if Jonas makes a guest appearance. ;)

Nem2k
November 18th, 2005, 06:33 AM
I'm curious...how can we have an anti-season 10 thread...for complaints and misgivings...when its not even here yet? We've only finished the front half of season 9! Anything about season 10 is just rumor, assumption, conjecture at this point.

yah, all we've heard so far are rumours but it doesnt mean we cant comment on them ;)
besides, i guess if we start complaining about S10 now, when it actually airs and we find out that it really is as bad as we thought, then we won't be as disheartened ;)

KatG
November 18th, 2005, 09:41 AM
-Drink the whole bottle if someone explains what happened to Jack.

-Go to the liquor store and buy everything you see if there's a Sam/Jack wedding. ;)

Oh I like these.

The Engineer
November 18th, 2005, 10:08 AM
:eek: I'm pretty sure that doesn't work. Lard would coat the stomach just fine (eeewww), but alcohol is absorbed in the gut and I think the lard would have broken down by then. I may be wrong, but don't bank on that technique. You could use it as a practical joke though. Meanie. :D
Oh, but it works like a charm, for centuries.
If you find lard distatefull:eek: , you could always drink a coup oil (sunflower etc. any kind of cooking oil), fresh cooking oil before drinking alcohol. It is a tested method. Or could eat pig fat (I don't know the term for "slanina").
It is also known that if you drink on an empty stomach you get drunk faster than when your stomach is filled (even with food). I know that from experience.:p

LtColCarter
November 18th, 2005, 10:35 AM
Oh, but it works like a charm, for centuries.
If you find lard distatefull:eek: , you could always drink a coup oil (sunflower etc. any kind of cooking oil), fresh cooking oil before drinking alcohol. It is a tested method. Or could eat pig fat (I don't know the term for "slanina").
It is also known that if you drink on an empty stomach you get drunk faster than when your stomach is filled (even with food). I know that from experience.:p

Oh heck...just eat Mexican food before you go party. Then on your way home...have someone take your drunken rear to Taco Bell...and order a few tacos. Everything will be fine in the morning! :D

The Engineer
November 18th, 2005, 11:11 AM
Oh heck...just eat Mexican food before you go party. Then on your way home...have someone take your drunken rear to Taco Bell...and order a few tacos. Everything will be fine in the morning! :D
I'm not sure about the Mexican food. Lots of peper, chilli. I don't know if everything will be OK in the morning. You know that chilli will take its toll:eek: (you know want I mean:p ).
note: I don't know the composition of a taco so I assumed they use lots of peper, chilli. Here we don't have tacos.

DarkQuee1
November 18th, 2005, 12:02 PM
I have to chuckle, though, regarding CJ's comment about them being seen previously as RDA and the 3 smucks (or some such thing); that in S9 it was much more of an ensemble with ALL characters being showcased equally. Right! Teal'c is as underused as he ever was and now it's more like Vala and the 4 smucks.

So true. Teal'c is more wallpaper this year than he has been since season 1. I was really ticked at his comments (which smacked of things that MS implied during the year he was off the show), because RDA--who was the 500-pound gorilla--could have dominated the entire show if he had wanted to. Instead, he was more than happy to give lines to everyone else. All of them had strong storylines for them alone, and they all had multiple eps each year centered around their characters (including Teal'c. Something we haven't really seen for him this year). After reading them, I expected to see amazing things for Teal'c this year, while the actual season so far has me scratching my head as to what he thought was so marvelous for his character.

All of this is coming off--especially from Cooper--as sour grapes. They appear to be really ticked that RDA would not sign on again for another year, conveniently forgetting all the extra years he gave them that he did not want to, simply so the show would continue and everyone would still have jobs. Now, it's as if they want to convince--us? Themselves?--that RDA had nothing to do with the success of the show (he may even had held it back!) and that it was all them.

Sheesh.

J.

the dancer of spaz
November 18th, 2005, 02:19 PM
Sheesh is right. :( It's so disheartening to think that there might be bad blood between producers, creators, the network and actors. :S But that IS looking like the case, when people do interviews consistently and there's NO mentioning of RDA (save from one of the actors who's worked with him for nearly a decade :rolleyes:).

It just smells fishy. Too fishy. And I'm sorry if that makes certain fans come off as crazy vigilantes. We're all (mostly) competent human beings here, and I think every person - specifically scifi fans - has his or her own spidey sense when it comes to certain things. And there's been too much tingling for us to be off base here.

ShadowMaat
November 18th, 2005, 02:44 PM
I'm curious...how can we have an anti-season 10 thread...for complaints and misgivings...when its not even here yet? We've only finished the front half of season 9! Anything about season 10 is just rumor, assumption, conjecture at this point.
Allow me to turn it around: How can we have a pro season 10 thread when it isn't even here yet? We're only halfway through season 9 and have only heard the vaguest of rumors about s10. The rest is just conjecture, assumption, and wishful thinking. :rolleyes: Just because it's positive doesn't make it any more outlandishly speculative than the negative stuff.

Fans have been theorizing and extrapolating things out of thin air since the show began. Pro, anti, in between... part of being a fan is about drawing your own conclusions. That's what's being done here, it's what's being done on the pro thread, and it's what happens in virtually every show-related thread on the board.

Sum1
November 18th, 2005, 06:31 PM
I personally wouldn't be surprised if we get a new recurring villain in season 10 named Shadowmaat - they like to take names from other characters anyway and seeing as how TPTB seem to dislike our criticisms, it makes sense to me they'd name a villain after this groups' de facto leader.

the dancer of spaz
November 18th, 2005, 06:40 PM
I personally wouldn't be surprised if we get a new recurring villain in season 10 named Shadowmaat - they like to take names from other characters anyway and seeing as how TPTB seem to dislike our criticisms, it makes sense to me they'd name a villain after this groups' de facto leader.

I would sincerely hope that ol' Shadow'd get some $$$ from that little endeavor. ;)

ShadowMaat
November 18th, 2005, 07:31 PM
I personally wouldn't be surprised if we get a new recurring villain in season 10 named Shadowmaat.
Well, there was the life-sucking shadow in Atlantis's Hide & Seek. :P

Skydiver
November 18th, 2005, 07:34 PM
I personally wouldn't be surprised if we get a new recurring villain in season 10 named Shadowmaat - they like to take names from other characters anyway and seeing as how TPTB seem to dislike our criticisms, it makes sense to me they'd name a villain after this groups' de facto leader.
LOLOL

hey, they can homage B5 and we can have the evil shadows

the ancients already look like vorlons anyway

SGFanTN
November 19th, 2005, 05:53 PM
What about the Aschen, Dannys grandpap with those giants, an so many other ideas from past seasons. Why and dam it why must they ruin our last season with this crap?


I TOTALLY agree with you!

I see more on the Aschen, The "Giant Aliens", Jack's young clone, Dr. Fraiser's "Adopted Daughter". (why she wasn't in the episode when Fraiser was killed??), More on the Asgaurd's cloning probems, The Furlings. etc... Man, I could go on forever. Oh yeah I almost forgot! Jacks unborn child! Remember when he was stranded on that one planet for a few months? At the end, when Jack started to leave with everyone back through the gate, she rubbed her stomach like she was pregnant. Remember she had asked jack to help her concieve a child, then they cut to a steamy sex seen... I wanna see something on that!!

Nem2k
November 19th, 2005, 06:21 PM
I TOTALLY agree with you!

I see more on the Aschen, The "Giant Aliens", Jack's young clone, Dr. Fraiser's "Adopted Daughter". (why she wasn't in the episode when Fraiser was killed??), More on the Asgaurd's cloning probems, The Furlings. etc... Man, I could go on forever. Oh yeah I almost forgot! Jacks unborn child! Remember when he was stranded on that one planet for a few months? At the end, when Jack started to leave with everyone back through the gate, she rubbed her stomach like she was pregnant. Remember she had asked jack to help her concieve a child, then they cut to a steamy sex seen... I wanna see something on that!!

didnt the writing team change quite a bit after S3? i dont think the new dudes like the old stories much which is why theyre taking the show somewhere completely different

ShadowMaat
November 19th, 2005, 06:49 PM
Hel-LOOOO!! McFLY!!! Haven't you you guys been reading all the interviews? Season 9 is AWESOME!! It's the BEST EVER!!! And it's the INCREDIBLE NEW CAST EDITIONS that have made it so completely AWESOME! You can't go making the INCREDIBLE NEW CAST EDITIONS look bad by pitting them in dusty, moldy old situations that SG-1 dealt with in those old, boring, unimportant seasons when the team had only one leader. Y'know, that cranky old hack they finally managed to ditch in this AWESOME, BEST EVER season?? :rolleyes:

Of course, the producers have been ignoring interesting plotlines long before season 9, but now that we're in a WHOLE NEW ERA of Stargate, you can bet your sweet bippy that you'll never hear another peep out of storylines existing prior to season 8.

STARGATE7777
November 20th, 2005, 05:32 AM
Jack, the Ashen, the Tollen, Mayborne, The rest of the Gould, Thor and the Asgard are all locked in a cell beneath the SGC. Daniel and Teal'c have walked by and heard them shouting but have chosen to ignore it because they feel it is for the "best." Sam has begun to question why everything has changed and has dared to ask the question "Where is Jack." I hear they are shipping her off to another galaxy.

The Engineer
November 20th, 2005, 05:43 AM
Jack, the Ashen, the Tollen, Mayborne, The rest of the Gould, Thor and the Asgard are all locked in a cell beneath the SGC. Daniel and Teal'c have walked by and heard them shouting but have chosen to ignore it because they feel it is for the "best." Sam has begun to question why everything has changed and has dared to ask the question "Where is Jack." I hear they are shipping her off to another galaxy.
LOL.:D That's an interesting point of view.:cool:

smurf
November 20th, 2005, 09:08 AM
It being a rather dull Sunday, and the continual moans that we're commenting on speculation winding through the thread, I thought I might go all out on S10.
So, some spurious S10 speculation follows since, y'know, I've got nothing better to do. There might be spoilers, although one would hope not as I'm making it up as I go along. :rolleyes:

Starting at the beginning. If Vala isn't back in the Milky Way by the end of S9 then she magically reappears in the first episode or two by means of some technology never mentioned before, ever, but has the added benefit of allowing Sam Carter to visit Atlantis in a single bound.
Vala is still pregnant, because it's funny and cool and original, but will be on the verge of dropping the sprog. Drop sprog(s) at the SGC. Vala acts like uncaring mother until forced to confront her past and be at one with herself (with thanks to Daniel). Just as she gets down to playing happy families we find sprog(s) are saviour of the universe/seed of all future evil/a powerful being required to sway the war by either side.
Baby gets dumped in the SG plot hole warehouse (contents currently being databased), or kidnapped, probably both.
Daniel angsts about ascendeds being no help. Goes to a planet, moralises, talks natives into a coma, sees opportunity to beat Ori, does something which if any other character did would be utterly unforgivable (say destroying an inhabited planet... or two), ascends in order to fight from above. Unhelpfully fails to find and protect kidlet(s). May get frustrated at this point and turn "bad" - for all the right reasons, obviously.
Vala, having links to the SGC, Lucian alliance, and former/current goa'ulds, becomes the unifying force in a new coalition to fight the Ori and, with SG-1 (who?), keeps coming oh-so-close to saving her child(ren).
"Bad" Daniel does a bit of an Ori in order to protect people, but pushes it right to the edge and nearly destroys everything. Luckily saved by the love of a good woman (Vala - underlying heart of gold didn't you know?). Descends.
Baby not found, plot to be dragged for another season.
In the meantime Mitchell and Teal'c run around on the sub Z-plot, and Sam's in Atlantis so don't expect anything clever.

I'll be in my office at The Bridge if anyone wants me... ;)



Things to make you go hmm:
Bored on a Sunday as previously mentioned, so with talk in this thread of ratings and cost, and the magic of google I've come up with this...

MacGyver production cost over $1 million per episode (likely not above $1.5 million, since a journalist would write "over $1.5million", they like nice round numbers), audience peak around 17 million viewers.
Parker Lewis Can't Lose - $1 million per ep, audience peak around 10 million viewers.
Stargate SG-1 - $1.7million, 2.6 million viewers
Farscape - $1.5 million, 1 million viewers. (the series not the mini which averaged 1.9 million viewers)

Not sure what I'm saying. Probably something about fish and ponds. :p

More hmm:
http://scifi.about.com/library/weekly/aa091102.htm#update
¤ Demographics: Farcape's Season 4 showed growth in the key demographics of Males 21-34 and 35-44, with exceptional growth in the older male demographic, ages 55-64, more than doubling its share of that age group in Season 3. Among females, there was even more significant growth, particularly in the key Female 21-34 demographic, which nearly doubled. Farscape's share rating in the Males 21-34 group exceeds Stargate SG-1's, and nearly matches Stargate SG-1's rating in the Females 21-34 group. While Farscape does lose a significant portion of Stargate SG-1's lead in for its 10PM airing, the demographic skew of the two programs explain most of that loss: the majority of Stargate SG-1's viewers are Males and Females in the 45-54 age group. Farscape's audience is younger.

Wisdom of chasing the demographic more likely to be watching sports on a Friday, discuss...

ses110
November 20th, 2005, 09:19 AM
Everyone used to blame RDA for the fact there was no Team episodes anymore.What is the excuse now?I'am sure TPTB will have no problem coming up with an excuse.

Nem2k
November 20th, 2005, 09:21 AM
Everyone used to blame RDA for the fact there was no Team episodes anymore.What is the excuse now?I'am sure TPTB will have no problem coming up with an excuse.

i think team episodes were getting fewer even when Rick was around. its just if they start dismantling the team any more then team eps would be gone completely :S

AGateFan
November 20th, 2005, 09:26 AM
<snip>
Wisdom of chasing the demographic more likely to be watching sports on a Friday, discuss...
SG-1 had demographic A and lasted for 8 years and continues on as strong as ever.
Other scifi shows had demographic B and exist for average of 1-4 years.

Therefore it obviously makes since for SG-1 to change in S9-10 to try to get demographic B.:rolleyes: They are obviously the demographic you want for a long running successfull show. They have sooo much staying power. I have no clue how they could have missed this. They should have changed the format years ago..:rolleyes: :S But then we wouldnt be hear having this wonderfully fun conversation.

Skydiver
November 20th, 2005, 09:30 AM
i agree that using rda's schedule was just an excuse. i have no doubt that it was difficult to juggle things however i do think that rda's schedule became a convenient excuse

if something didn't pan out, they blamed rda sincde they knew that fans were accepting of his reasons and that their ire would be muted by that acceptance.

now that rda is gone, well they had amanda's maternithy leave to tide them over, and they have/had vala's addition to be another excuse, but soon they will run out of excuses...actually, they already are running out of excuses

Skydiver
November 20th, 2005, 09:36 AM
it's not just chasing the male demos because they're watching sports...there's not that many sports on a friday night, it's the wisdom of chasing a demo that's notoriously fickle.

if you want longevity, you don't want the fans that get bored quickly and channel surf...you want the ones that have a routine and a loyalty.

one reason they chase the young males is because it's believed that they have the most disposible income, yet amongst the folks i know, it's the older female demos that have the most money to blow and the males that are the brokest. the males also have everyone and thier uncle chasing after their money.

ChevronSeven
November 20th, 2005, 09:51 AM
Hel-LOOOO!! McFLY!!! Haven't you you guys been reading all the interviews? Season 9 is AWESOME!! It's the BEST EVER!!! And it's the INCREDIBLE NEW CAST EDITIONS that have made it so completely AWESOME! You can't go making the INCREDIBLE NEW CAST EDITIONS look bad by pitting them in dusty, moldy old situations that SG-1 dealt with in those old, boring, unimportant seasons when the team had only one leader. Y'know, that cranky old hack they finally managed to ditch in this AWESOME, BEST EVER season?? :rolleyes:

Of course, the producers have been ignoring interesting plotlines long before season 9, but now that we're in a WHOLE NEW ERA of Stargate, you can bet your sweet bippy that you'll never hear another peep out of storylines existing prior to season 8.

SNORT!

Oh, and let's not forget the overtly LOOK AT MITCHELL!! SEE HOW HE'S NOT LIKE O'NEILL!?

Wait...Who's O'Neill? Where did we shelve...uh...place his character?
:rolleyes:

Over in a West Wing forum that I belong to, we've named a place to where characters go and no explanation is given - Mandyville. I think that Mandyville now has a secret AF facility located underground a mountain there. :P

Amanda Eros
November 20th, 2005, 03:38 PM
Another funny thing about the demographics is that when ever we would do a poll on the Scifi channel websight asking people to post their gender and age the largest amount of viewers were female, three to one. Then the largest age groups were the 21-40 range. I really don't know why it turned out that way.

AGateFan
November 20th, 2005, 03:40 PM
Another funny thing about the demographics is that when ever we would do a poll on the Scifi channel websight asking people to post their gender and age the largest amount of viewers were female, three to one. Then the largest age groups were the 21-40 range. I really don't know why it turned out that way.
Guess they didn't like how those polls turned out so they are intent on changing them, even if it means there is no one left to answer them.

KatG
November 20th, 2005, 04:00 PM
It being a rather dull Sunday, and the continual moans that we're commenting on speculation winding through the thread, I thought I might go all out on S10.

Thanks for that. Now I don't have to bother watching. :)

Konrad9
November 20th, 2005, 08:37 PM
Has any information even been close to confirmed about season 10?
You people confuse the hell out of me.

the dancer of spaz
November 20th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Has any information even been close to confirmed about season 10?
You people confuse the hell out of me.

Haha. What kind of info are you looking for? If you're looking for whether or not we're GETTING a S10, then yes. We are.

But if you looking for which actors are coming back and in which capacity, I believe that's a little sketchy as of yet. :(

Hatcheter
November 20th, 2005, 09:42 PM
Has any information even been close to confirmed about season 10?

NOPE!

The Engineer
November 20th, 2005, 11:27 PM
Has any information even been close to confirmed about season 10?
Only rumours and speculation.

Nem2k
November 21st, 2005, 04:08 AM
Only rumours and speculation.

yeah but rumours and speculation are fun! and they soften the blow when we eventually come to realise that we were right all along ;)

samcarter
November 21st, 2005, 06:43 AM
I apologize, because I am using a translator, but it bothers me the idea of a 10 season and for that reason I dare to communicate this way.

Good in my opinion I have always thought that the series should finish in the 8 season and not to give him but you release, perhaps a double episode concluding some loose things or a movie for tv or cinema based on the series SG1... but don't unite 9 season. The reasons, because very simple, if a 9 season was achieved, it could fall in the repetition of arguments or to include characters that are not inside the same one lines that the other characters of more antiquity, I remit myself to the case of Vala... is he/she a character that this well for a couple of episodes but does it stop 5 followed episodes? that stops my it was too much, he/she is a character that is to what I hook us to the series, just the opposite a tv program that he/she taught us a lot of science (Sam), a lot of humor (Jack), a lot of honor (Teal´c), a lot of curiosity and good heart (Daniel), a lot of paternal (Hammond) and a lot of maternal (Fraiser) apart from a heap of things... and we open a season with a provoking and outlandish character that distracts the attention of the argument... really that so far in the 9 season he/she gives a lot of q to want... without having the bad structuring of characters like that of Cameron Mitchell that regrettably created a character to the style Frankestein a bad copy of the humor of O´Neill with touches of Urgo and very little leader personality, I always believed that Sam Crankcase deserved to be the leader of the SG1 that if it was introduced the Mitchell while Sam returned and that she didn't return completely to the SG1, I think that they should create an argument but believable that the idiot excuses that Sam was with Cassie... for my those two characters don't fit in SG1 neither Vala like fixed character neither Mitchell like it was structured, I even think that Landry lacks charisma and I take a risk to say that the 10 serious season a great error and of plane I say that if Vala will be a fixed character... I won't see the series because it stops my the best thing this in Sam Daniel Teal´c and good Jack, but of the we know that it won't return to the program, in fact strange a lot of characters like Fraiser and Hammond... in fact the series has lost that rich touch of reality that had in 8 o'clock (better) previous seasons... and like Chris Crankcase said in an opportunity with regard to lengthening The X Files: "...I prefer 5 excellent seasons that 20 mediocre seasons..."
I would not like to do SG1 with a gray end and a punctuation of rating of 0.01
Not to the 10 season!

ToasterOnFire
November 21st, 2005, 06:57 AM
Jeez, it's fine and dandy to be pro-season ten with the same lack of info, but woe to anyone who has concerns. :rolleyes:

TPTB seem happy with how things have changed in season nine. If they're happy with the way things are, wouldn't one assume that things would continue in season ten? And if I'm not happy with how season nine has gone so far, isn't it prudent for me to be concerned that I'll see more of the same things that I dislike in season ten?

Carter at Uni
November 21st, 2005, 09:07 AM
Hi all

Am new to this thread but I believe one of you said that which characters were coming back for season 10 was sketchy, well Gateworld have just posted up some new information about that, and also who is coming back as a full-time character (No suprise there then!).

Skydiver
November 21st, 2005, 09:20 AM
Hi all

Am new to this thread but I believe one of you said that which characters were coming back for season 10 was sketchy, well Gateworld have just posted up some new information about that, and also who is coming back as a full-time character (No suprise there then!).
oh no surprise at all. as soon as it was said that they re-wrote the s9 finale to accomodate CB's real life issues i knew that it was a given that she'd be back.

can't say that i blame her, no actor wants to turn down a year's steady work.

can't say that i'm all that thrilled but hey, what is there to do???

they will either

keep vala the way she is, in which case i feel sorry for CB because the 'sexually laden, ethically challenged' character of vala simply is not sustaniable on a regular basis in anything other than a farce which means the critics will soon be on her and grow tired of her

they will change vala, tone her down, which will also open her up to criticism because she will lose most of what folks find so appealing, namely the sexually laden, ethically challenged bits adn she'll be seen as dry and boring and bland

she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. it'd be like adding pete as a regular

as much as i dislike the character i feel for the actress. she's gonna have one hell of a year. some fans like her, many don't...and sony/mgm/scifi seems determined to put her at the forefront of all the promotion, which means she will be even more in the lime light.

Carter at Uni
November 21st, 2005, 09:37 AM
[QUOTE=Skydiver] as much as i dislike the character i feel for the actress.



I know exactly how you feel because that is how i feel about Ben Browder. He's such a great actor and I can't help but feel sorry for him that he seems to have been given some huge shoes to fill. I don't really think its very fair on him sometimes, hes not RDA but at the same time, he's still great. The problem came when they only introduced him once RDA had gone, and he's filling the same 'character' position at the base.

Osiris-RA
November 21st, 2005, 09:44 AM
Has any information even been close to confirmed about season 10?
You people confuse the hell out of me.
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2005/11/istargateicastssignonforne.shtml

Doesn't that mean it looms? Or am I late here or ....

*lurks*

The Engineer
November 21st, 2005, 10:34 AM
Has any information even been close to confirmed about season 10?
You people confuse the hell out of me.
Ok, here's some news, confirmed news:
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2005/11/claudiablackjoinsisg-1icas.shtml
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?id=33347
.........Vala is a regular
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2005/11/istargateicastssignonforne.shtml
........all the old characters are back.

Seshat
November 21st, 2005, 10:34 AM
as much as i dislike the character i feel for the actress. she's gonna have one hell of a year. some fans like her, many don't...and sony/mgm/scifi seems determined to put her at the forefront of all the promotion, which means she will be even more in the lime light.
I really enjoy Claudia as an actress. And I REALLY hate Vala as a character. I am very conflicted because I am happy for the real person and miserable to think that I have to be subjected to more space bimbo for a full season. PLEASE let them tone her down. And I don't mean adding a 'heart of gold', eeewwww.

This is really it, isn't it? :(:( This has got to be the end when they pull out T&A to keep the once interesting show afloat for one last season. I feel so sorry for the actors, really.

Nem2k
November 21st, 2005, 10:45 AM
ok well now its official that Vala is back as a full time member..hm

its good to hear the main cast will be back though :D

does this mean Vala will become the 5th member of SG-1? Or that because Amanda is doing Atlantis crossover, that Vala will replace Sam on the SG-1 team? :S

smurf
November 21st, 2005, 10:47 AM
CB as regular? Well colour me surprised. :rolleyes:
Funny, when BB joined we were told we were wrong to treat it as Fargate. How long do we have to wait? Until the puppets become regulars?

I do hope for BB and CB's sake they get more control over their characters. BB is coming across a little as if he considers it just a job, and CB has openly said she couldn't play Vala that over the top full time.


From a personal point of view - Oh yes, game on! :D :D



SG-1 had demographic A and lasted for 8 years and continues on as strong as ever.
Other scifi shows had demographic B and exist for average of 1-4 years.

Therefore it obviously makes since for SG-1 to change in S9-10 to try to get demographic B.:rolleyes: They are obviously the demographic you want for a long running successfull show. They have sooo much staying power. I have no clue how they could have missed this. They should have changed the format years ago..:rolleyes: :S But then we wouldnt be hear having this wonderfully fun conversation.
I have to say I wonder if SGA isn't already suffering from this short termism. They did start it with the pretty girl in not much clothing, and with equally little character. It seems given the complaints I've read (haven't been watching S2) that character development is going out the window for all but one or two characters.

Is SGA going to last beyond the 3-4 years demographic B gives?
Is SG-1 now going to last beyond the 1-3 extra years demographic B gives?
Does anyone care?

Carter at Uni
November 21st, 2005, 10:54 AM
I know this is a bit off topic but as im new.....

how do you get other ppls quotes in the blue box?

and

how do you get your custom avatar uploaded?

P.S.
hey Nem, its Melon

senordingdong
November 21st, 2005, 10:56 AM
ok well now its official that Vala is back as a full time member..hm


May God have mercy on us all.

Nem2k
November 21st, 2005, 11:07 AM
I know this is a bit off topic but as im new.....

how do you get other ppls quotes in the blue box?

and

how do you get your custom avatar uploaded?

P.S.
hey Nem, its Melon

omg stop hijacking the thread!! ban ban ban! :p

to get quotes go to their post and click the quote button, or just use quote tags

btw, your quote earlier didnt work because you didnt close the quote tag, you need to add a to where you wanna stop the quotage

custom avatar, cant get them until youve made...1800 posts?

Carter at Uni
November 21st, 2005, 12:21 PM
oh ok, thx nem


Well if CB is becoming a 'full-time' cast member, I would have thought she'd end up being like a female Teal'c. Another alien on SG-1, why? That's Teal'c's job! He's the one that comes out with the strange remarks and odd comments. Jack used to be the one ieht the witty and sarcastic remarks. Maybe they are trying to make an RDA and Teal'c all rolled into a female to be present when AT is busy on Atlantis :( (Wild speculation only btw!!! Don't hurt me!)

Nem2k
November 21st, 2005, 02:18 PM
Maybe they are trying to make an RDA and Teal'c all rolled into a female to be present when AT is busy on Atlantis :( (Wild speculation only btw!!! Don't hurt me!)

wild speculation is all good, its fun to be pessimistic and cynical :p

the only problem I see is nobody can bring to the team what Sam did. shes the clever one, the strategic thinker but as shown in episodes like unnatural selection, she is still very much a human being which I love.
Jack can sometimes be too military, Daniel can have really high moral standards, Sam...shes just perfect, and having Vala replace her is, in my mind, unthinkable

like ive said many many times now, sure Sam will be there in S10, but the question is for how many episodes because if shes missing for anymore than 6, then i dont think itd feel like she was part of the team anymore, and considering we lost Jack, I dont think losing Sam would be a wise move.
however saying that, TPTB have a tendancy to do stupid things like not listening to the more loyal side of their fanbase, and just try to please all the new farscapers :rolleyes:

I think RCC should just have his way and rename the show Stargate Command...At least theres someone part of TPTB that has half a brain :rolleyes:

</mini rant>

AGateFan
November 21st, 2005, 02:26 PM
I really enjoy Claudia as an actress. And I REALLY hate Vala as a character. I am very conflicted because I am happy for the real person and miserable to think that I have to be subjected to more space bimbo for a full season. PLEASE let them tone her down. And I don't mean adding a 'heart of gold', eeewwww.

This is really it, isn't it? :(:( This has got to be the end when they pull out T&A to keep the once interesting show afloat for one last season. I feel so sorry for the actors, really.

Yes this is really it. Farscape...er I mean Stargate is firmly on the path to cancellation. If we are lucky, very lucky, very very lucky the final season may not be as pathetic as the final season of Xfiles and Farscape or as irrelavent as the final season of B5. But I doubt it.

*feel so hopless* Crpy news for the holidays.

Nem2k
November 21st, 2005, 02:35 PM
time for a petition? mass letter writing to TPTB?

I dunno, but I think we *need* to do something to let them know that there are still old school gaters around who want the show to return to its former glory. i mean I wouldnt even mind if it wasnt that good ever again, I just want to know that theyd at least try to make it worthwhile and not continue down this fargate path

what i dont want to happen is for the show to crash and burn because SG-1 is probably the most successful and original scifi ever. it would be an insult to have such a brilliant show end on such a low, so I think its our responsibility as gate fans to let them know that we're still here, and that we still want to watch the show but not if its going to change so drastically that it doesnt become SG-1 anymore

AGateFan
November 21st, 2005, 04:00 PM
time for a petition? mass letter writing to TPTB?

I dunno, but I think we *need* to do something to let them know that there are still old school gaters around who want the show to return to its former glory. i mean I wouldnt even mind if it wasnt that good ever again, I just want to know that theyd at least try to make it worthwhile and not continue down this fargate path

what i dont want to happen is for the show to crash and burn because SG-1 is probably the most successful and original scifi ever. it would be an insult to have such a brilliant show end on such a low, so I think its our responsibility as gate fans to let them know that we're still here, and that we still want to watch the show but not if its going to change so drastically that it doesnt become SG-1 anymore
There is nothing to be done. I just hope that with the new "adult" (read neo-xrated) flavor of SG-1 they move it to 9 and move Atlantis to 8 so that I can get done watching scifi by 9 and get onto other things. But then they will likely screw that show too so I guess I can stop watching scifi altogther.

My watch is back on for the next great scifi show. One thing for sure, every show I like that ends up on scifi channel is ultimatly scrwed so I hope the next show I fall in love with doesnt end up on this crp of a channel.

Hope you fargaters enjoy your show for the season it will be on.

Egeria
November 21st, 2005, 04:26 PM
I'm gutted by this news....IMO this is the death of SG1. I've nothing against CB, but honestly can't see the show carrying on. I'm really gutted because S2 of SGA has done nothing for me, in fact I can't watch it anymore it drives me mad. I wasn't really too bothered since there was still SG1...at least I've got BSG.

This is really sad news....

Skydiver
November 21st, 2005, 04:27 PM
if you want to write, write. but personally i think vala becoming a regular was decided months ago.

only time will tell if she JOINS the cast or replaces some of the cast.

ultimately the only 'power' we have is to turn off the set and let it die

AGateFan
November 21st, 2005, 05:00 PM
whoooohoooo. 8 more eps till the end of Stargate and the start of whatever the crpy spinnoff will be too bad scifi didn’t have the decency to let them rename it.

ses110
November 21st, 2005, 05:18 PM
If a large number of Fans stop watching the rest of Season 9 it should send a powerful message to TPTB that things better improve for Season 10.TPTB may also want to do Movies and they will need long time Fans.Fans have more power than we think.SG-1 belongs to the Fans and we have the power to take the Show off the Air.I never watched Farscape and I do not want to insult Farsape Fans but why are TPTB trying to reach out to Farscape Fans by bringing in CB and BB? It's not like Farscape had an 8 Year run and if it was so popular why did Scifi cancel the Show? So far this Year SG-1 ratings are down so it does not look like there is a large number of Farscape Fans watching SG-1.It's become obvious SCIFI is running things and not TPTB of SG-1.

Nem2k
November 21st, 2005, 05:49 PM
It's become obvious SCIFI is running things and not TPTB of SG-1.

that became clear a long time ago. TPTB at SG-1 actually used to listen to the fans :rolleyes:

and yeah, ur right, at the end of the day, the fans have the power to pull the show from the TV. but we only have an indirect effect on the show, so in order for scifi to get the message, we would need to pull the ratings a long way down
a few fans on a forum making the conscious choice not to tune in wont make a difference. if everybody on the forum stopped watching then they might get the message, but theres no chance of that happening

I think I will write a letter, I dont wanna sit here and regret not doing anything when the show gets even worse. but do I send it to scifi? mgm? producers?

or should I start up a new website with a petition and an explanation kinda thing? that might work better than just a single letter and everyone can sign up on it!
we must rebel! rise up against the money hungry corporation types! rebel!

Sum1
November 22nd, 2005, 04:35 AM
I'm gutted by this news....IMO this is the death of SG1. I've nothing against CB, but honestly can't see the show carrying on. I'm really gutted because S2 of SGA has done nothing for me, in fact I can't watch it anymore it drives me mad. I wasn't really too bothered since there was still SG1...at least I've got BSG.

This is really sad news....
Unfortunately, I don't think these weaker storylines started when SG-1 moved to Sci Fi (they only increased more rapidly in lack of quality then), but at the start of season 4 with the new writers. You can notice the difference in the very first scene of season 4, when SG-1 is talking to Hammond about how they saved the world. I never thought this type of dialogue fit the show because it was never about SG-1 saving the world, though that's what the new writers changed it to be about. Contrast that to then end of the premiere of season 2, where SG-1 is congratulated for a good job, but no one makes a big deal out of it for the simple reason that they were just doing their job and that saving the world wasn't what the show was about.

The whole "saving the world" plotline was quite a childish one, and when you base your series on it, it's inevitable that everything else will have to reduce in quality to push that idea. In season 9, we've only seen an amplification of that with these new "even worse villains" and Mitchell's pathetic backstory to make sme sort of "hero". To TPTB, he has to be a hero in order to save the world! Anise, and now Vala, fit perfectly into these kinds of shows with their sex laden humour (if you can call it that) and tight leather costumes.

dmovies
November 22nd, 2005, 06:26 AM
wild speculation is all good, its fun to be pessimistic and cynical :p

the only problem I see is nobody can bring to the team what Sam did. shes the clever one, the strategic thinker but as shown in episodes like unnatural selection, she is still very much a human being which I love.
Jack can sometimes be too military, Daniel can have really high moral standards, Sam...shes just perfect, and having Vala replace her is, in my mind, unthinkable

like ive said many many times now, sure Sam will be there in S10, but the question is for how many episodes because if shes missing for anymore than 6, then i dont think itd feel like she was part of the team anymore, and considering we lost Jack, I dont think losing Sam would be a wise move.
however saying that, TPTB have a tendancy to do stupid things like not listening to the more loyal side of their fanbase, and just try to please all the new farscapers :rolleyes:

I think RCC should just have his way and rename the show Stargate Command...At least theres someone part of TPTB that has half a brain :rolleyes:

</mini rant>
I agree 100% - SG1 as we knew it is gone.They should have ended it with the fishing trip scene cause that's when it did end!

dmovies
November 22nd, 2005, 06:26 AM
wild speculation is all good, its fun to be pessimistic and cynical :p

the only problem I see is nobody can bring to the team what Sam did. shes the clever one, the strategic thinker but as shown in episodes like unnatural selection, she is still very much a human being which I love.
Jack can sometimes be too military, Daniel can have really high moral standards, Sam...shes just perfect, and having Vala replace her is, in my mind, unthinkable

like ive said many many times now, sure Sam will be there in S10, but the question is for how many episodes because if shes missing for anymore than 6, then i dont think itd feel like she was part of the team anymore, and considering we lost Jack, I dont think losing Sam would be a wise move.
however saying that, TPTB have a tendancy to do stupid things like not listening to the more loyal side of their fanbase, and just try to please all the new farscapers :rolleyes:

I think RCC should just have his way and rename the show Stargate Command...At least theres someone part of TPTB that has half a brain :rolleyes:

</mini rant>
I agree 100% - SG1 as we knew it is gone.They should have ended it with the fishing trip scene cause that's when it did end!

Olli
November 22nd, 2005, 07:07 AM
if you want to write, write. but personally i think vala becoming a regular was decided months ago.

only time will tell if she JOINS the cast or replaces some of the cast.

ultimately the only 'power' we have is to turn off the set and let it die

100% agreed!

Olli
November 22nd, 2005, 07:25 AM
Stargate SG1 is over! It ends with season 7!

In season 8 the "spirit" which had fascinated me was already gone, the chemistry between the characters had changed. The old SG1 team was torn apart, this season was like a requiem.:(

The new spin off they started after season 8 couldn't interrest me and so I will watching Atlantis but thats it.

I hope in a upcoming movie the original one and only SG1 team will be reunited and they can catch the "spirit" again.:S


Janet forever!

Carter at Uni
November 22nd, 2005, 01:11 PM
I gotta say, it's all really starting to sink in BIG time now, and its really making me.....sad. There isn't any other word for how I'm feeling about Stargate, it is just one word....sad.

I'm sad that RDA has gone, sad that Tapping is drifting away, sad that the team dynamic has changed which made it such a good show, just plain sad.

I cant bring myself to turn of the set to stop watching it in the vain glimmer of hope that lies in my heart that something will still be there, that something will come back into just one episode that brings a genuine heartfelt thankful smile to my lips.

I miss the show, im sad that its changed and yet....I still can't pull myself away from it. If someone 'leaves' you in your life that you have loved so dearly, you can't just forgt about them and move on, you hold on with a flicker of hope, even though you are so sad it hurts to wait. Well that's what it's like for me with Stargate now, i think. I'm holding on to something I've loved for 8 years just for that glimmer of hope.

Yes, that's all you can call it. A glimmer of hope in my sadness.


(Bit depressing i know, but thats how i'm feeling.)

binkpmmc
November 22nd, 2005, 08:19 PM
There is a great post over at jm's blog that says it all for me. The following is the post by someone who chose to remain anonymous - I wish they had put their name - and my blog post is included with it here:

"Anonymous above this post said:

"About as cool as having McKay drooling over Sam--not at all. It's sad that the Stargate's audience is no longer the kind that goes in for drama or development. Now it's all just orgiastic sensationalism and the next instant gratification of whim. Tittliation has replaced substance, kitchy ideas have replaced sound story ideas. Plotting is increasingly convoluted, but at least it was a "cool" shot or story or scene. So long as it tickles the fancy of the lowest common denominator, it's gold on Stargate right now. More's the pity."

Sums it all up very nicely, plus it was oh sooo much fun to write. Cheap, sleazy, low-class, caricature is always fun to write -the hard work is good drama that garners respect as opposed to cheap laughs.

Binkpmmc "

The Engineer
November 22nd, 2005, 10:15 PM
There is a great post over at jm's blog that says it all for me. The following is the post by someone who chose to remain anonymous - I wish they had put their name - and my blog post is included with it here:

"Anonymous above this post said:

"About as cool as having McKay drooling over Sam--not at all. It's sad that the Stargate's audience is no longer the kind that goes in for drama or development. Now it's all just orgiastic sensationalism and the next instant gratification of whim. Tittliation has replaced substance, kitchy ideas have replaced sound story ideas. Plotting is increasingly convoluted, but at least it was a "cool" shot or story or scene. So long as it tickles the fancy of the lowest common denominator, it's gold on Stargate right now. More's the pity."

Sums it all up very nicely, plus it was oh sooo much fun to write. Cheap, sleazy, low-class, caricature is always fun to write -the hard work is good drama that garners respect as opposed to cheap laughs.

Binkpmmc "
Eloquently put.

Skydiver
November 23rd, 2005, 04:25 AM
yep, which i think is stargate's greatest weakness. sure, vala is fun. i don't deny that.

and yeah, it sucks to do research to write a fic and i would imagine it's the saem for a script. it's no fun to have to do all that research just to have folks nitpick it apart.

but it's thier job!

any schmo can crank out 'naughty' lines. i think most of us were taught them in grade/middle/high school. we all know to snicker at 'balls' or 'rack' or 'come' or other such things.

but if anyone can do that, well what does that say for job security huh? they get tired of these writers and are just writing silly adolescent 'humor', well they just might decide to save some money in the budget adn hire some adolescents to do the writing.

stargate used to be based on science, even if it was dramatized. it's not as much anymore. theyr'e making it easy and dumbing it down

maye this is a symptom of the same group doing twice the work (writing sg1 and atlantis), maybe not. but it is hurting the show. and it will kill it. it's losing what made it unique and becoming just another space opera with leather

Sum1
November 23rd, 2005, 04:39 AM
yep, which i think is stargate's greatest weakness. sure, vala is fun. i don't deny that.


I deny it. When I watched the episodes with her, I couldn't figure out how the episode managed to get on the air without someone being fired. I personally didn't find any of her "jokes" funny at all and the character to be dull and stupid.

Skydiver
November 23rd, 2005, 04:52 AM
it may not be humor to my personal taste, but i can see where folks find it funny.

just like, well it was funny to watch her in PU beat the crud out of daniel. almost took my mind off the absurdity of a single person depopulating a whole space ship manned by the best and brightest earth has to offer.

does it really mean vala is that good or that colonel reynolds, gen hammond and the rest are complete and total idiots?????? (i go for the latter personally. if she was really that good, daniel would never have gotten the drop on her)

but as funny as folks may find that, it diminishes the show. it dumbs down teh show. it reduces these fine military officers to foils for silly jokes and charictures of themselves.

stuff like this is taking a show that the air force was proud of and turning it into something like Jag....which the navy cringed over after a couple of years

Egeria
November 23rd, 2005, 04:56 AM
it's losing what made it unique and becoming just another space opera with leather

'Space opera with leather'....what a great way to put it.:)

jazz!
November 23rd, 2005, 06:08 AM
it's losing what made it unique and becoming just another space opera with leather

I'd like to what, you anti-S10, people think made Stargate SG-1 unique and why it will no longer exist?

Nem2k
November 23rd, 2005, 06:29 AM
I'd like to what, you anti-S10, people think made Stargate SG-1 unique and why it will no longer exist?

what made SG-1 unique...like ive said many times, this is the first scifi where ive cared more about the team than the stories. not to say the stories were bad, they were pretty well written (at the beginning) but the team seemed to real and genuine, you realise that these people trusted each other with their lives which in all honesty, is pretty rare in tv, most of the time you would just accept it but with SG-1 you really feel that they care about each other. infact, you feel it so much that even the viewer would be comfortable with going on missions with the team and having them watch your back

another reason i loved the show was its focus on mythology, science and military. because you have these 4 members who are all thinking in a different way, seeing things differently to each other, questioning things. why is that great? because they each represent a different part of the human psyche, theres a part of all of us who agree with each member of the original team and when those 4 were put together, things just felt complete.

i dont think theres another scifi where I care about the team as much as I care about myself. when they lost Jack, it was a big blow, its almost like losing a part of yourself. Sam doing a lot of atlantis crossover would feel like we're losing her as well, but i guess that depends on how well written those episodes were

i dont know why these things dont exist anymore. of course the writers need to evolve the show but theyre not evolving it, theyre changing it, picking apart and removing all these things which made the show brilliant. like, right now I couldnt really care less about the team dynamic, which is a huge change from what i used to feel back in season 3 when I realised that these 4 ppl were perfect for each other. I was happy with spending my time and energy going through the stories that those characters went through, but i dont feel that anymore

I guess its because TPTB want to impress the newer farscape fans and to bring new people into the show, but theyre failing to realise that us old school fans who loved the original show are still around. we havent all left....yet

Skydiver
November 23rd, 2005, 07:05 AM
it was smart, it was intelligent.

there was a real place in egypt called Abydos, there were 'real' gods that the goauld were based on...which made that dry old mythology interesting.

it was fun and didn't take itself seriously...but didn't act all silly either. it was humor with class.

it was four characters that cared about each other and often showed that caring in little looks and glances and gestures. (and no, i'm not talking about only sam and jack here)

it was stories based in some real science and with a basis in fact.

there was evidence of time and caring that went into crafting the stories. there was a continuity of events and people that was a reward for the long time watchers

what do we have now????

cliches. endless homages to other tv shows and movies - some to the point of ripping off the whole plot line. we have potty humor. we have sexual humor and female characters not seen as part of the group but apparantly there largely to be eye candy.

we have a dumbing down of the show. we have characters sacrificed to make a good image (such as ignoring the fact that sam wouldn't kiss pete while she was on duty...but she had to because RCC wanted a kiss to pull out on...sacrifice the character for the shot)

we've replaced our hand crafted work of art for a cheapie knock off that is made in taiwan and bought at walmart :)

Albion
November 23rd, 2005, 08:45 AM
Well, I almost didn't post because Skydiver said it all so eloquently (and, incidentally, made me depressed as she reminded me of all the great things that we used to have, but have no more). But I've just finished posting this on the 'What Makes SG1 Unique' thread in GD, so I figure what the hell:


What made SAG1 unique for me was the attention to detail - especially on the military side of things. The fact that they did what was best for the show, not to pander to specific demographics (very refreshing). That their characters weren't just the usual cookie-cutter stereotypes we see in every SF show under the sun, but complex and real. And the fact that the method of getting to the stories wasn't the usual boring spaceship but the Stargate.

Sadly, in S9, almost all of that has been jettisoned. I never liked the slow shift to ships over the gate and now we see more stories centred on Prometheus and the gate hardly features at all, except as a means of shuttling Teal'c back and forth from the SGC to the Jaffa homeworld. He could be using a bus for all the difference it would make. Ships also make it far easier to extricate SG1 from any trouble they get into offworld. Which makes for less exciting stories, less dramatic tension, and gives an air of same old, same old. Why not just call it Enterprise and be done with it?

The attention to detail just seems to have been completely tossed aside. I wonder if they even have a military advisor these days. Instead, we get attempts to excite the lowest common factor - the demographic for young males. So we get sex kitten Vala. With her tight, low-cut costumes, heaving cleavage and double entendres. Now, I really like Vala, but I can only take her in small doses and I don't believe she's what's best for the show. She's too strong, too overwhelming a character to be there full time. It's not possible for her to be there full time and not have her take over the show. And that's no reflection on CB or Vala. It's just an inevitable result of her character's personality. It happened in the first five episodes and it'll happen again.

Having her full time next season tells me that the care for quality has gone and that TPTB are now just like any other SF show out there - trying desperately to hook demographics by any means necessary. Vala as a character would have to be changed drastically, massively toned down, to ensure that she doesn't overwhelm and overtake the show entirely. And I get the impression that she and Carter will be set up as rivals, constantly sparring. We might even get a good old-fashioned catfight - if the teen boys are keen for it.

Military detail, too, seems non-existent. The military action owes less to the realities of the AF (one of the elements which always used to impress the heck out of me and which RDA did so effortlessly) and more to just the standard, usual leading man heroically mows down the enemy, killing 200 with one bullet kind of thing. Bo-ring. No attempt has been made, apparently, to train BB in how to hold a gun, let alone how to act/react when under fire. It comes across as acting, not reality. And, yes, I know he's an actor, so you'd expect him to act. But my point is that that was always one of the things that made SG1 unique for me. That these actors so wonderfully hid the props and the strings and made it look absolutely real. And that has gone in S9 for me.

Mitchell, sadly, is the cookie-cutter, one size fits all, completely interchangeable with every other one out there, leading man/action hero. There's nothing unique about him, nothing intriguing, no depth. I really wanted to like him. I really wanted not to miss RDA/Jack to the point where there was little to watch on this show any more. But the changes over and above his departure haven't filled the gap for me. They could have. If TPTB had tried to make them. But the choices they've made have been so lazy and lackadaisical that they simply haven't tried or worked hard enough to pull me along with them, sadly. And no one is more disappointed or sad about that than I am.

Sadly, the changes made to the show this season have simply reduced it to just one more SF show for me. One among dozens, all basically the same. What made it unique and special has been stripped from it.

I so agree with an earlier poster who said they've stopped watching because the show is just plain boring now. It only sunk in on my gradually, but I just realised this week that I've been religiously taping the show each week...but never getting around to watching it. There's no excited watching of the clock and wishing for 8pm on Tuesday evenings this season for me. Not butterflies in the stomach. No trying to secondguess what's going to happen. I'm even reading spoilers - where once I used to try and avoid them so I didn't spoil the excitement, now I desperately read them in the hope of finding something that will spark some 'Oh, that I have to watch!' in me. Instead, they just depress me further as I see more of the slide into mediocrity the first half of S9 gave me. :(

I've realised that I'm continuing to watch because I feel obliged to. Out of a sense of loyalty. Not because I'm enjoying this golden, sparkling, magical hour in the week. I spend the hour bored out of my skull and there's certainly nothing there that would make me want to watch 99% of the episodes again, as there always used to be before. Before, I'd wear the tapes/disks out with repeat viewings.

Albion :)

AGateFan
November 23rd, 2005, 09:25 AM
Wow, so may great post. Well thought out, great post. I sooo wish I could give out reputation because you all deserve it.

Unfortunately, I am still in the Anger stage. Its normal reaction to loss. First you get denial, then anger, then sadness and then acceptance.

I have gone back and forth between the anger and the sadness but I guess that is a step up from my waffling between denial and anger. I kept telling myself that they would fix it… that prototype was good and that they would see this and know that the first part was bad. That PDL or someone would go back and listen to his quote about Arnies and how they tried to change SG-1 back then and then realized it didn’t need to be changed. But it didn’t happen. They forgot their history, they forgot farscape and xfiles history, they forgot it all….. or they just don’t care. So why should I?

Nem2k
November 23rd, 2005, 09:38 AM
So why should I?

because theyre changing something which means a lot to you :( something which I can only assume was a big part of your life, something that you loved, so I think we should care about what happens to the show. the only problem is that TPTB done care that we care

they can forget the history of Stargate, they can take the heart out of the show, but they cannot take the show out of our hearts. a bit cliched? yes, but its true.
I for one will never forget how good SG-1 was and what it means to me. I still care about where this show goes because its a fairly large part of my life. I know im going to regret sitting here and not care about the show anymore, I won't lower myself to the same level as TPTB

I guess this is similar to having a child...when theyre young you love them with all your heart, as they grow up they may be led astray, but its your responsibility to put them back on the right track because at the end of the day, its something thats such a big part of your life that you cant just sit back and watch it go downhill

maybe im the only one who feels this passionately about the show, but even so, I think that even if we dont like where its going, we should still care about the direction the show takes so we can do something about it

Nem2k
November 23rd, 2005, 09:46 AM
oh and id like to make another quick point!

it seems like TPTB have decided to ignore us old school fans and gear the show towards the newer crowd, so I dont think we should just rant and rave about it individually and then give up on the show because that is exactly what they want!
they assumed that oldschoolers arent around anymore, they were wrong, but if we give up, then they win. lets not prove them right by giving up

as loyal fans of the original show we *need* to stick together and put our opinion across. one loud voice is worth a lot more than hundreds of quiet ones

once more unto the breach dear friends!

STARGATE7777
November 23rd, 2005, 01:05 PM
Season 9 has just started in Canada and though I have seen some episodes by other means my daughter has not. She came back from university and we watched Avalon part 2 together. About half way through she looked at me and said, Well, this is depressing." I cannot explain the sadness that I feel over a loss of a TV show. I mean, I am a rational human being. I shouldn't be so upset. Yet, I find myself watching reruns like a death has occured and I'm reliving moments from a happier time. Maybe Jack would say I really need to get a life. Oh...wait....Where is Jack???

ToasterOnFire
November 24th, 2005, 06:15 PM
Is there any truth to the rumor over on Joe's blog that Lexa Doig isn't coming back for season ten? I haven't heard anything about that.

While I'm not the biggest fan of Lam I was under the assumption that her character would continue beyond one season.