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Carter must help keep a promising young cadet from throwing away a future at the S.G.C. O'Neill and Teal'c encounter a dangerous life form at an offworld research base.

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Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 08:54 PM
I wonder if Haily was right at the end, anyone wonder as well?

bcmilco
June 8th, 2004, 09:01 PM
The real (former) AF Chief of Staff Gen. Ryan has a guest apearance in this episode. :)

This episode got a little slow in a few places for me, but I still enjoyed it, especially after Hailey got the chip brushed off her shoulder ;)

Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 09:04 PM
:rolleyes: At first, Haily was annoying to me, but when she reappeared in S5 as a recruit, she was a good character :) Those little 'glowy' things pack a punch.

bcmilco
June 8th, 2004, 09:05 PM
:rolleyes: At first, Haily was annoying to me, but when she reappeared in S5 as a recruit, she was a good character :)

Yes overall I liked Hailey a lot better in "Proving Ground"

Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 09:06 PM
I did too. Hmm, i'm going to comment over on that episode... :)

omnian
June 9th, 2004, 01:00 AM
Haha, I love the audio commentary to this on the Season 4 DVDs. Its gotta be one of my favourites. I urge anyone who has it to listen to it!

Dramaqueen
June 9th, 2004, 05:24 AM
Haha, I love the audio commentary to this on the Season 4 DVDs. Its gotta be one of my favourites. I urge anyone who has it to listen to it!
This wasn't one of my favourite eps of season 4 but I agree, the commentary on this ep is great.

bcmilco
June 9th, 2004, 10:48 AM
Haha, I love the audio commentary to this on the Season 4 DVDs. Its gotta be one of my favourites. I urge anyone who has it to listen to it!

This is the one where the sing the theme song isn't it? (it's been a while ;))
The "theme song" is a riot :D

Elwe Singollo
June 9th, 2004, 10:51 AM
Is this the theme song with words?!

omnian
June 9th, 2004, 12:29 PM
Is this the theme song with words?!

It is indeed the one with words! Once you've heard it you'll never be able to think of anything else during the opening credits, lol.

elhSG1
June 10th, 2004, 05:46 AM
It is indeed the one with words! Once you've heard it you'll never be able to think of anything else during the opening credits, lol.

You have no idea how true that is! That's got to be one of funniest things on any of the commentaries I've watched. :D

Elwe Singollo
June 10th, 2004, 09:23 AM
Star.....gate... Haha, thats in my head now...

stargate barbie
June 16th, 2004, 03:20 PM
i really liked this episode, but i really loved the audio commentary.
and its true, i cannot hear the opening theme music without thinking of the song.

one thing though. why are the two theories mutually exclusive. carter thinks its a retalliation. hailey thinks its to do with the moon and whatnot. why can't they be angry and the moons polar whatchacallit is just agrivating it further? (forgive the lack of terminollogy, but i haven't watched this one in a while and my memory sucks)

bcmilco
June 16th, 2004, 04:01 PM
one thing though. why are the two theories mutually exclusive. carter thinks its a retalliation. hailey thinks its to do with the moon and whatnot. why can't they be angry and the moons polar whatchacallit is just agrivating it further? (forgive the lack of terminollogy, but i haven't watched this one in a while and my memory sucks)

IIRC Hailey was claiming that the lifeforms weren't sentient and therefore were only reacting to the magnetic field of the planet. Carter's theory was that they were retaliating because of what they did to the first one, thus that would mean that they were sentient.

stargate barbie
June 16th, 2004, 05:00 PM
aha! i still think you could combine the two with a little compromise. they were sentient, angry and reacting to the magnetic field of the planet which was making their behaviour more agressive than it would ordinarily have been in such a situation. i think they were both wrong! :p

bcmilco
June 16th, 2004, 07:23 PM
Yes, but their individual theories were mutually exclusive. So they couldn't be combined. Besides the point is not to try to combine the theories it's to come up with something that fits the facts, and by the few facts they had they were either sentient and retaliating, or non-sentient and effected by the magnetic field. :p

Madeleine
June 16th, 2004, 11:22 PM
Bees aren't particularly sentient, but they can communicate to each other if they ae under attack, and bees in a hive respond to chemical signals and body movements of other bees to know where to go to attack the 'threat'.

An analogy with the glowy things would be like on an ordinary day, if you seem to be threatening a beehive you might get stung a few times. On a very hot day (or when the magnetic field does it's whatsit), when the bees (or glowies) are in a foul mood anyway cos of the heat (magnets), you could get attacked by the entire swarm.

I reckon it wasn't impossible for Carter and Hailey to both be right at once.

Gatetrixer
June 22nd, 2004, 10:58 AM
Does anyone know what the minimum height is for female cadets at theAF Acad? In Proving Ground O'Neill said Hailey was 4-9, I think. The AF objects to certain things being on the show, like real Sam/Jack ship, yet they said that in RL Hailey would have been thrown out of the Acad. and yet the ep was shown. Which got me thinking if in RL she would even have been tall enough to enroll. Just wondering. No prejudice by me against short people!!

Elwe Singollo
June 22nd, 2004, 11:48 PM
I live on base with my family, and i don't think theres any height limit or anything, unless your like 1'' tall... I walk around all the time, and see short woman and men, and see very tall woman and men, but i'll have to check if there is a height requirement...

SeaBee
June 26th, 2004, 02:04 AM
I liked the episode, but found myself laughing at a "Whoops" moment.

As Sam and Hayleigh go into the gate they are side by side, when they step out they have swopped positions.
:D

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:20 PM
killer fireflies

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 06:44 PM
...whos only weakness is zats.

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 06:34 PM
I like how the kid is brought back... and goes through SGC basic training.

Lugal
September 11th, 2004, 09:43 PM
I loved the commentary on this (and that damn theme song is stuck in my head now too)

I love every moment of tension between Hailey and Carter PDL says something like "And again, I asked for a mud pit or jello here, but was again turned down..."

Tracy Jane
September 12th, 2004, 01:59 AM
I still haven't watched the commentary. I was tempted last night, so I'll do it tonight.

I love the swing high bit and really think there should have been a parallel of that somewhere later in the series.

When I imagine Sam and Jack having a kid, Hailey is the exact type of kid I imagine. Supersmart, superbrave, supersarcarstic, bolshy and mardy!

Dragonlor
September 13th, 2004, 10:00 PM
Jack: Give me a warning.

[Zat armed]

Teal'c: I'm going to shoot you.

:D

Liv
September 15th, 2004, 09:28 AM
Jack: Give me a warning.

[Zat armed]

Teal'c: I'm going to shoot you.

:D
Yeah, that was great. :)

Favorite scene of this episode (apart from the quote above) would have to be when Hailey and Sam step into the gate room and Hailey sees the Stargate, or rather the wormhole, for the first time. That look of astonishment on her face is just so cool.
I love that reaction.

Major Griff looked a whole lot like the "Movie-Kurt Russell", to me.

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
October 21st, 2004, 07:10 PM
I hated Hailey on this one! Grrr...She's soooo arrogant! I always hated that kinda girls! They made my life in school hard (until I insulted those *definition: female canine*). Then they left me alone... I agree that she was better towards the end but that whole "I'm right, you're not thing" got to my nerves. Carter is a superior officer!

I never listened to the audio commentary but since you say there's a theme SONG I'm soooooooo gonna put it on. Right now in fact!

Chaka's_Mum
March 4th, 2005, 03:44 AM
I still haven't watched the commentary. I was tempted last night, so I'll do it tonight.

Hmm. Guess I know what I'll be doing tonight, now. Then I too can be driven mad by it being stuck in my head!

I have to agree that Hailey's a bit of a brat in this ep, until she realises that there is some potential for her in the military. Just before Sam offers her the chance to visit the SGC, she seemed utterly disillusioned with the Air Force. I can't help wondering if she joined up only because her family had a tradition of serving in the USAF (not too dissimilar to the circumstances that directed Sam towards a military career). Having the twin disadvantages of a complete ignorance of US Military career options, and the intellect of a small mollusc, I had always assumed that those who actually have great scientific minds usually end up in academia.

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 14th, 2005, 12:27 PM
This episode was in the mental shrug category for me. I mean, killer fireflies aren't going to inspire untold horror, but I thought the introduction of Hailey was nice. I would've liked to have seen more of her after Proving Ground. But I agree, the commentary makes this episode a step better by itself. The theme song is hilarious!

shinyredpants
March 15th, 2005, 05:00 AM
i like hailey, she's a brat but ehh...i dunno...she's pretty cool!

Beatrice Otter
March 15th, 2005, 05:46 PM
Hmm. Guess I know what I'll be doing tonight, now. Then I too can be driven mad by it being stuck in my head!

I have to agree that Hailey's a bit of a brat in this ep, until she realises that there is some potential for her in the military. Just before Sam offers her the chance to visit the SGC, she seemed utterly disillusioned with the Air Force. I can't help wondering if she joined up only because her family had a tradition of serving in the USAF (not too dissimilar to the circumstances that directed Sam towards a military career). Having the twin disadvantages of a complete ignorance of US Military career options, and the intellect of a small mollusc, I had always assumed that those who actually have great scientific minds usually end up in academia.
It depends on the field. And the era. And the temperaments of those involved. And a lot of other stuff. Forex, people who really want to serve their country will tend to gravitate towards the military, as will those who can't afford to pay for a top-notch schooling on their own. In times of conflict, the former category is naturally larger than in times of peace. However, academia does have a strong pull in that you have more freedom to research what you want to research (within the limits of what you can get grant money for) and that if your research has commercial applications, you will make a lot more.

Given that, there are simply some fields that the military is the only game in town for. Example being a friend from High School who is now a naval officer. He wanted to be a nuclear engineer. Well, the only place you really can be one nowadays is in the Navy. He's an assistant to one of the top reactor designers in the world. Chances of him leaving the Navy in the forseeable future? Zip, zilch, nada.

Chaka's_Mum
March 23rd, 2005, 10:48 PM
Thanks for the clarification - I should have guessed that this would be the case after seeing all the recruiting adverts here in the UK for the Army and Navy. I haven't seen that many RAF ads on TV for some reason; maybe they're turning would-be pilots away at the doors or something.

Pretty much all of these ads tend to focus on the techie boys with the computer/analysis skills. What you usually get in the ad is some squaddie sitting in a field in full combat gear saying he couldn't do his job if they didn't do theirs. Navy ads are a bit sexier, with choppers and speedboats catching criminals and stuff.

Not being from a military background, it's easy to forget just how much technology is employed in the forces these days!

Drifting back to topic, I loved the way that Sam dealt with Hailey's issues over being constantly compared to the 'Great Major Carter'. She really did need to have someone tackle that chip on her shoulder - preferably with some nice little home truths. Nothing like a bit of stick with the carrot!

SmartFox
March 23rd, 2005, 11:14 PM
:rolleyes: At first, Haily was annoying to me, but when she reappeared in S5 as a recruit, she was a good character :) Those little 'glowy' things pack a punch.

I liked Haley in Recruit (i saw that first) but in this i didn't like her at all.

Also after just seeing this i'm going to disagree with some people who think that these bugs are the same as the bugs in Defiant Ones. If you notice these bugs go through stuff.

fair_nymph
April 9th, 2005, 09:39 AM
This was the first episode I ever saw of SG1 -- maybe 5 years ago? So probably when it first aired. It was weird watching it again, now that I've been watching the entire show from the very first episode.

I like Hailey's character -- obnoxious but brilliant. Sam and Jack just need to take her down a few more notches...I particularly liked having a younger person involved though, someone I could relate to more (esp 5 years ago when I had just graduated high school).

Sam was great in this overall -- I liked seeing her in a more academic realm.

valaCB
April 11th, 2005, 02:37 AM
I like the epi but only the planet part with Jack and Teal'c and then sam and Hailey.
didn't like the scene with Sam at the beginning....boring! but i liked the scene with Jack and Hemilton...lol. Jack is funny :D

Chaka's_Mum
April 15th, 2005, 04:04 AM
I like the epi but only the planet part with Jack and Teal'c and then sam and Hailey.
didn't like the scene with Sam at the beginning....boring! but i liked the scene with Jack and Hemilton...lol. Jack is funny :D

Oh yes indeedy. Hamilton is a bit of a berk, after all - what with all that 'I'm the chief scientist so I should be in charge' thing. Makes you just itch to take him down a peg or two, doesn't it? Not to mention all that objecting to having a military escort. Where does he think he is - the local park?

The nice thing for Jack is that jerking Hamilton's chain is just so incredibly easy. All he's got to do is act up to the 'dumb military bozo type' image that Hamilton's more or less projected onto him, and voilá! Wound up scientist!

It's just a shame that it needed the death of one of his colleagues to prove Hamilton was wrong to be so complacent about their surroundings.

QuiGonJohn
May 29th, 2005, 01:17 PM
I liked when Hamilton makes the crack about Jack polishing his M-16, and Jack overhears it and tells Hamilton, actually it's a P-90.

Anyone else realize this episode was completely void of Daniel.

Are there other reasons to listen to the commentary, besides the theme song, (which was prettty funny).

Chaka's_Mum
July 1st, 2005, 03:44 AM
I like Hailey's character -- obnoxious but brilliant.


Obnoxious! That was the word I was looking for! :D

Tara
July 30th, 2005, 09:50 AM
I just saw this episode for the first time, and really loved it. It's great to see the interaction between Carter and Haley. Haley is obnoxious to Carter but Carter doesn't see it as a threat. She takes an active role in mentoring Haley, and Haley respects her for it. I like that Haley is smart and competent, and proud of herself, and while she learns some lessons in the episode, she's allowed to stay that way. Even in Proving Ground she retains that kind of confidence that we don't really get to see in most female characters because it is too close to arrogance, which is considered horribly unattractive in women even if McKay can carry it off.

Chaka's_Mum
August 16th, 2005, 10:40 PM
It's fascinating to watch just how obnoxious Haley is - not just to Sam, but to pretty much everyone around her.

There's no doubting her supreme braininess - just from watching her spot that mistake in the huge whiteboard-full of gobbledigook you realise that she's someone pretty remarkable (fortunately, for the rest of humanity, Sam then goes and points it out to us and explains why it's such a fundamental mistake). Unfortunately, this brain is so heavy that she appears to require a massive chip on each shoulders to support her head.

Mind you, if you were being continually compared to some former Paragon-Cadet-Of-The-Past, wouldn't you feel a bit peeved? Unless you were scoring better, of course...

Perriman33
August 17th, 2005, 10:21 AM
She could have been McKays long lost relative! :D She was so similar to him in certain ways. (I think he's a bit young to have a lovechild)
She did a good job of getting on our nerves at the start...ok and the middle but by the end I was warming to her, I was hoping at the time that they would include her in more episodes,because her and sam were good together. :)

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 04:36 AM
Good episode which introduces Haley, however there is a major goof when Sam and Haley go through the gate its Sam Haley when they come out its Haley Sam!!! Peter Deluise takes full responsibilty so shoot him not the messenger!!! lol

walter_MacChevron
September 17th, 2005, 11:23 AM
HEY SGC!!!!! Number one is when Teal'c and jack are fishing!!!! LOL, anyways I thought this episode was pretty good, IMHO

Metarock Sam
September 26th, 2005, 01:50 PM
This ep was good for basically showing us that there is someone who is even smarter than Sam and she is younger.

skeezix
February 8th, 2006, 10:27 PM
Really hated Haley in the beginning. She wasn't so bad at the end though. Highlight of the episode for me was Teal'c zatting Jack. Priceless.

cafine_us
February 9th, 2006, 12:42 PM
I thought Hailey was still annoying at the end of the episode. It was a complete character change for her in Proving Ground, where she seemed like a normal, nice human being.

captain jake
July 6th, 2006, 01:46 PM
Well alot can change over a short period of time.

Chaka's_Mum
July 11th, 2006, 10:47 PM
True. It's inevitable that she's still going to have that chip on her shoulder at the end of the ep - after all, she's just had a very brief taste of what her potential future could be in the USAF so the dust is still settling a bit.

Now that she's got something to aim at that is sufficiently challenging to a youngster of her intellect, I suspect changes will be pretty rapid. After all, the one thing she isn't going to want to do now is get herself chucked out of the Academy over something stupid (like breaking someone's nose!)and deny herself a place on the Stargate Programme.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 11:40 PM
yeah personally i liked the one where they had the test at the SGC with her that was a great episode

garhkal
March 6th, 2007, 02:27 AM
I wonder if Haily was right at the end, anyone wonder as well?

That would put a 'sticker'; in sams butt..

As to me. while it was a good ep it was not great... Also, i wonder why they 'made it' a female who was the smart one.. like carter. It seems to me, they are always 'down playing the males' in that regard - felger, dr lee, heck even rodney.

Chaka's_Mum
March 13th, 2007, 05:32 AM
That's an interesting point - it does seem to end up being that way a lot of the time. Very few of the male scientists we have seen in or around the SGC have been either as brainy as or (if they are equivalent in the intellectual stakes) well adjusted or 'grown up' as Sam!

Mind you, Hailey has her own problems here. She's childish, resentful, self-righteously arrogant and quite unwilling to accept responsibility for her own behaviour. Before she does anything else, she really does need to grow up a bit herself.

The 'why couldn't Hailey have been male' question is one that I have been sitting here for an hour trying construct a reply to that doesn't seem contrived or overly simplistic. There's the 'Sam sees shades of herself in Hailey' argument, I suppose, or the 'wouldn't we just assume that a male Hailey's resentment is down to his being unable to handle the fact that there's a woman who is cleverer than him?' argument.

Put simply? I dunno.

Kept me occupied over my lunchtime sarnies, though...:D

HyperCaz
June 29th, 2007, 05:30 PM
To Bill or not to Bill...

I was watching this the other day and realised - "hey! it's Dr Bill Lee!!!" :D But then I was mightily confused as a scientist named "Bill" bought it from the KILLER MOSQUITOS and no one addressed Bill Dow's character to his face. After another couple of watchings, I discerned that the "Dr Lee" who built the shield thingy was in fact Bill Dow's character.

However, his first name was not mentioned...so in hindsight on that moon there were two Bills - Bill Thompson and Bill Lee. :D I know this may sound really stupid to some people but it was...somewhat...fun...to discover.

PS: I love this episode. ^_^

cavalierlwt
August 24th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Here's the clip (on youtube) of the DVD commentary with them singing the Stargate themesong! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqDE8kocoTI

StargateSG8
May 8th, 2008, 04:12 AM
Down through the years, i never watched any stargate at all.
I dunno, just never got into it, and the channels here in Ireland rarely aired the show.
but now Iv got all 10 seasons of SG-1 and all 4 seasons of Atlantis and am going to watch them all in order.
I started about a month ago, and the latest episode Iv watched (this morning) was this one, again another class episode.
Iv got a long way to go yet and I'm absolutely addicted!!
and also intend on watching the two movies, trailer of continuum looks class and am already interest about Stargate Universe, it sounds good even though they havent started making it yet.....

captain jake
July 1st, 2008, 03:48 PM
That was very cool that General Ryan, came onto the show, I didn't know that it was the real general Ryan until today which was my third or forth time seeing it. I didn't care for Jennifer Hailey very much, there was something about her that was kind of annoying. On the other hand theres something about Major Griff that I really like, it's a shame he was only in this episode for a few moments. We also meet Dr. Lee for the first time and even though he isn't in his normal character that we will meet later, it's fun to look back. In general this episode was rather flat, there just wasn't enough storyline and way too many secondhand characters.

Ulkesh47
July 10th, 2008, 01:16 PM
On the other hand theres something about Major Griff that I really like, it's a shame he was only in this episode for a few moments.

He was like the new Colonel Makepeace, except Griff didn't turn out to be an NID agent...

HelloVelo
July 22nd, 2008, 11:48 PM
Sam found her mini-me.

Rating: 4/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/prodigy.html

L E E
July 31st, 2008, 07:05 AM
Down through the years, i never watched any stargate at all.
I dunno, just never got into it, and the channels here in Ireland rarely aired the show.
but now Iv got all 10 seasons of SG-1 and all 4 seasons of Atlantis and am going to watch them all in order.
I started about a month ago, and the latest episode Iv watched (this morning) was this one, again another class episode.
Iv got a long way to go yet and I'm absolutely addicted!!
and also intend on watching the two movies, trailer of continuum looks class and am already interest about Stargate Universe, it sounds good even though they havent started making it yet.....

oi! i'm the same! i only started last month also. but i only have the complete sg1 and the ark of truth. i haven't bought continuum yet. i have finished up to season 7. just started season 8. i'm not sure if i'll like atlantis since jack is not there.

regarding this episode, haley annoyed me a bit. i found her arrogant. i found the academy part boring. the off-world scene is much better.

i love jack's reaction to general ryan and when he got zatted by tealc. so brave and selfless for volunteering to go out and dial the gate.

LordAnubis82
September 18th, 2008, 03:06 AM
i didn't think of it before but those glowing bugs are like the Ancient drone weapon. they're yellow, make a high pitch humming sound and can pass through anything.

is it possible that this is where the Ancients got the idea to create the drone weapon? they probably saw and studied this things millions of yrs ago (while in the MW Galaxy) and determined that certain energy can pass through anything. like in SG-1 s7 finale Lost City pt. 2 when they passed through Anubis' shields and ships easily. or Atlantis s3 ep No Man's Land when they detroyed a Wraith Hive Ship. or s4 ep Harmony when they (minidrones) went through the Genii.

it's just a thought.

L E E
September 22nd, 2008, 01:24 AM
i didn't think of it before but those glowing bugs are like the Ancient drone weapon. they're yellow, make a high pitch humming sound and can pass through anything.

is it possible that this is where the Ancients got the idea to create the drone weapon? they probably saw and studied this things millions of yrs ago (while in the MW Galaxy) and determined that certain energy can pass through anything. like in SG-1 s7 finale Lost City pt. 2 when they passed through Anubis' shields and ships easily. or Atlantis s3 ep No Man's Land when they detroyed a Wraith Hive Ship. or s4 ep Harmony when they (minidrones) went through the Genii.

it's just a thought.

it certainly is a possibility if these creatures existed when the ancients were still thriving in our galaxy.

Anda
September 22nd, 2008, 06:17 AM
I have a question.Those creatures doesn't apears in SGA episode "the defiant one".Just a question.

brunp
November 30th, 2008, 06:25 AM
so here I was watching this episode again and I came across something unique in the episode. When they encounter the glowing light life-forms again, where they call O'Neill and Teal'C over, the scientists stand in awe at the number of glowing lights (nobody gets hurt at this point yet). Anyway, I saw something in the background....and it turned out to be an SUV. I had to rewind and look closely in the background again to look at it at it in close detail and it was a car driving in the background.

anyone else notice this or was this already commented on and I just didn't read through the postings here.

Paul

Infy
January 5th, 2009, 01:03 AM
Good eye, there was indeed a car driving in the background behind the bushes

Butlersgate
March 1st, 2009, 07:52 AM
the little cocky b***h in this episode was annoying for the most part, but other than that i enjoyed this episode alot :D

balo
March 30th, 2009, 08:53 AM
Not a very good episode , it had it moments but not many.

Teal'c zatting Jack was fun.

Rating : 5 / 10

The Stig
May 2nd, 2009, 12:12 AM
The real (former) AF Chief of Staff Gen. Ryan has a guest apearance in this episode. :)

This episode got a little slow in a few places for me, but I still enjoyed it, especially after Hailey got the chip brushed off her shoulder ;)

It was nice to see general Ryan in the episode. it shows how popular the show was after only 4 seasons

Samantha.Majka
May 9th, 2009, 12:07 PM
I like this episode only for the look into Sam´s life ( her hight school ) .. and the luminous ... somewhat... it was sweet. :p

gateship15
May 18th, 2009, 02:38 AM
this was a good episode i liked that sam took another under her wing

Coela Bellatore
October 14th, 2009, 09:47 PM
I like this episode only for the look into Sam´s life ( her hight school ) .. and the luminous ... somewhat... it was sweet. :p

Its at her college, the Air Force Academy. And BTW, its not actually like that. That girl would probably have been forced into a nearly endless cycle of demerits and most likely raped.

mrscopterdoc
March 15th, 2010, 09:42 AM
Not a bad episode but the cadet was very annoying.

Martina Magnus
July 13th, 2010, 05:28 AM
I like this ep only becasue of Sam ... :) It was kinda sweet :D

maneth
September 19th, 2010, 10:08 AM
I didn't like Hailey, but the glowing energy things were cool.

ChulaksPrincess
October 17th, 2010, 07:58 PM
I liked the way Major Carter spoke to, and treated Jenniffer. Sam was tough, because she cared about her.

I also loved the way Teal'c stood up for Jack, telling that man that Jack was indeed qualified, and suggesting that the man do as Jack said.

Heart of Light
May 24th, 2011, 12:01 AM
While rewatching this episode, I realized what a missed opportunity it actually represents. It's sad that Hailey only returns once. She should have been a cast member on either SGA or SGU. Possibly the best guest character in all SG series, with a depth and potential unlike any other character. Though she's a *****, I really liked her. She wasn't more annoying than Rodney, anyway.

garhkal
May 24th, 2011, 05:37 PM
While rewatching this episode, I realized what a missed opportunity it actually represents. It's sad that Hailey only returns once. She should have been a cast member on either SGA or SGU. Possibly the best guest character in all SG series, with a depth and potential unlike any other character. Though she's a *****, I really liked her. She wasn't less annoying than Rodney, anyway.

I am honestly surprised they never had her on SGA or even SGU.. I think she would have done well in either.

LeftHandedGuitarist
November 13th, 2011, 02:48 PM
I'd forgotten how enjoyable this episode was. Hailey was an annoying character but also one that had a ton of potential and depth, so I enjoyed watching her. She portrayed the awe at first seeing the Stargate very well. Great to see Carter at the academy, but Daniel's presence is missed. The off-world story is also a good one - I'd love to have learnt more about the light bugs.

O'Neill really takes his time when dialling the gate at the end. Just get on with it! Also, first appearance of the awesome Dr. Lee!

RATING: 8 out of 10

bookwormjules
November 15th, 2011, 06:47 PM
I'd forgotten how enjoyable this episode was. Hailey was an annoying character but also one that had a ton of potential and depth, so I enjoyed watching her. She portrayed the awe at first seeing the Stargate very well. Great to see Carter at the academy, but Daniel's presence is missed. The off-world story is also a good one - I'd love to have learnt more about the light bugs.

O'Neill really takes his time when dialling the gate at the end. Just get on with it! Also, first appearance of the awesome Dr. Lee!


The episode was more enjoyable than I thought it was, it's not one I re-watch often, but better than I remember it to be. I agree with you about Haley - although she is also a charcter where I wouldn't care if she came back or was never seen again, she did add something extra to the episode, bit of a change of pace and insight to the mission.

I think O'Neill went slowly, so he wouldn't pose as a threat to the bugs, they seemed to be watching him. (Also, it builds tension and all that for the sake of the show ;))

I just realized today that Dr. Lee made an appearance in the episode. I always thought he came into the picture much later into the show.

Brother Freyr
November 21st, 2011, 08:08 PM
A solid episode.

Have you ever noticed how greatly the effects of a Zat Gun vary, depending on the needs of the storyline? In this episode, Jack shakes it off after several seconds. :rolleyes:

Matt G
November 24th, 2011, 08:46 AM
Tuesday night and another ep of SG1...

1. Raised my eyebrows when I clocked that a bonafide four-star general from this reality was in SG1.

2. First impression of Hailey, interesting idea but quite a gamble from Sam.

3. First appearance of Dr Lee. Wasn't expecting him to return.

4. "It doesn't matter who's right". Good lesson to learn particularly as both theories were plausible.

5. Bear in mind that Jack was expecting this zat blast.

OK ep.

Brother Freyr
November 24th, 2011, 01:11 PM
Bear in mind that Jack was expecting this zat blast.
It shouldn't matter whether he expected it. An electrical charge with a standard effect of unconciousness and (on second zap) death doesn't become ineffective because you're "ready for it." :)

It didn't really bother me. I was more amused than anything.

dipsofjazz
November 24th, 2011, 01:13 PM
It shouldn't matter whether he expected it. An electrical charge with a standard effect of unconciousness and (on second zap) death doesn't become ineffective because you're "ready for it." :)

It didn't really bother me. I was more amused than anything.
One of the scientists used smelling salts on Jack just after he was zatted, to bring him round.

Brother Freyr
November 24th, 2011, 01:15 PM
One of the scientists used smelling salts on Jack just after he was zatted, to bring him round.
Yeah, I saw that. He never fully lost consciousness in the first place. The smelling salts were a nice effort, though.

mathpiglet
November 25th, 2011, 02:05 PM
A solid episode.

Have you ever noticed how greatly the effects of a Zat Gun vary, depending on the needs of the storyline? In this episode, Jack shakes it off after several seconds. :rolleyes:

The commentary addresses this. It's basically the zat gun's operation varies according to the needs of the story.

The three doing the commentary for this episode were hilarious! I'm sure they were imbibing or something, for they were very, very silly. If you have the DVDs, but sure to check it out, especially for the lyrics to the opening.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 25th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Finally an episode that mostly takes place offworld. Better than average episode.

So this is the episode where a real life General makes a cameo (he successor (Jumper, I think) will appear in Lost City Part II). I thought I missed the episode.

I love the scene where Teal'c zats Jack on one.

OH, and Bill Dow, his first episode as Dr. Lee.

The Commentary:

This is the infamous one where they sing the lyrics for the theme
Peter, Joe, & Paul were really entertaining during it. It's a Peter DeLuise commentary, of course it's entertaining.
The cadet at the beginning is played by Ivon Bartok (aka the producer of the Stargate Special Features in later season DVD releases).
In the General's office (at the academy), the officer in the picture is Paul Mullie. I can't find a proper close-up capture on GateWorld's Cap Gallery.
This scene and the establishing scene had to be shot twice because of an issue with hats.
http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/sg1_season4/419-Prodigy/screencaps/normal_sg1_419_376.JPG


Monday, Carter get an Entity in her.

Krisz
November 25th, 2011, 07:50 PM
Cadet Haley annoyed me when I first watched this. My opinion of her has mellowed considerably since with more viewings of the episode, coupled with her appearance in a later episode. Sam's belief in this lost cause of a cadet makes for a good story as the girl really learns that the universe is a hell of a lot bigger than her little world and sense of intellectual superiority! I like the way she steps up and shows the promise Sam believed in.

The other thing I wondered, rewatching this and the way she analysed things why she wasn't thought of when everyone was at a loss with dialling the ninth chevron in SGU! She seemed as capable as Eli! The fireworks that would have ensued between her and Rush would have made for interesting viewing I'm sure! :D

Those buzzing light creatures were interesting, good to see another non humanoid alien life form. Jack saying he would never complain about mosquitoes again was funny!

Jae'a
November 28th, 2011, 09:56 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/23065.html)

I'd just like to include something in my LJ post here, just in case you decide to skip it.. :P

It's about the glowy creatures:
"Sam and Hailey theorise why they attacked the scientists, killing one of them. Sam thinks they might have been angry about one of them being imprisoned, but Hailey thinks they are simply reacting to the moon's magnetic field, which changes during its orbit. I think this conflict is quite significant, in that Sam's theory is influenced by the fact that she has been to many worlds and seen many alien creatures which many may assume not to be intelligent or sentient, but it turns out they are, or at least there's more to them than first thought. Hailey doesn't have that experience so she draws from her scientific knowledge and experience."

Is this a valid point? Is there something in this, or am I overthinking things again? :P

Matt G
November 29th, 2011, 03:12 AM
It's a valid point.

Lieutenant Sparrow
November 30th, 2011, 02:12 AM
I said on 3! Makes me laugh every time. Teal'c can be evil when he wants to be.

Haley still annoys me.

Better than average ep.

SaraBahama
November 30th, 2011, 07:52 PM
The other thing I wondered, rewatching this and the way she analysed things why she wasn't thought of when everyone was at a loss with dialling the ninth chevron in SGU! She seemed as capable as Eli! The fireworks that would have ensued between her and Rush would have made for interesting viewing I'm sure! :D

That is such a great point! Oh...I wish they had thought of that when making SGU...the actress was quite good, and Haley's personality and stature would have lead to some interesting conflicts & assumptions (she's so petite & looks all of 12 years old!).


My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/23065.html)

I'd just like to include something in my LJ post here, just in case you decide to skip it.. :P

It's about the glowy creatures:
"Sam and Hailey theorise why they attacked the scientists, killing one of them. Sam thinks they might have been angry about one of them being imprisoned, but Hailey thinks they are simply reacting to the moon's magnetic field, which changes during its orbit. I think this conflict is quite significant, in that Sam's theory is influenced by the fact that she has been to many worlds and seen many alien creatures which many may assume not to be intelligent or sentient, but it turns out they are, or at least there's more to them than first thought. Hailey doesn't have that experience so she draws from her scientific knowledge and experience."

Is this a valid point? Is there something in this, or am I overthinking things again? :P

Valid point...nice food for thought -thanks for including it!

I'm only annoyed by Hailey because the writers cast her as annoying as a plot device. When you see her in 'Proving Ground' later, it gives you a different perspective on her personality and developement. I like her. I think she was an under-utilitzed secondary character, and I wish we had seen more of her (I'm going to include her in some fic that I write).

I imagine that as part of the SGC, she and Sam probably did research togther -I can see Sam becoming a kind of mentor to her.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 1st, 2011, 05:37 PM
I'm only annoyed by Hailey because the writers cast her as annoying as a plot device. When you see her in 'Proving Ground' later, it gives you a different perspective on her personality and development.

By the time of Proving Ground, thanks in part to the events in Prodigy, she has lost the chip on her shoulder. I've known people under similar circumstances, both before and after the chipectomy. Believe me, it's like a complete personality transplant. She's not the same person in PG as she was in plain P (when she was a plain Pain).

Seaboe

jelgate
December 3rd, 2011, 01:49 PM
A lot people didn't like Cadet Hailey that much. I guess I am not one of those people. She is hardly anything to praise about but is nothing anything to complain about. The character is a plot device of what she is meant to be. That being a plot device for Carter to serve as a prodige. Maybe its the setting but I just like seeing this different side of Sam being superior and giving the orders for once. As for the light aliens it was something new that to mean that was interesting. Kind of wish we could of have seen more of them instead of them turning crazy. We never did find out who was right. Wish we would have seen what caused the light aliens to turn homocidal.

syncline
December 8th, 2011, 05:04 PM
Sam thinks they might have been angry about one of them being imprisoned, but Hailey thinks they are simply reacting to the moon's magnetic field, which changes during its orbit. I think this conflict is quite significant, in that Sam's theory is influenced by the fact that she has been to many worlds and seen many alien creatures which many may assume not to be intelligent or sentient, but it turns out they are, or at least there's more to them than first thought. Hailey doesn't have that experience so she draws from her scientific knowledge and experience.

That's a good point. Figuring out the little energy beings may be partly a matter of physics; but it's also a matter of dealing with aliens, and obviously Sam has a lot of experience with that. I mean, earlier in this season SG-1 met sentient water... if that happened to me I'm sure I'd spend the next several months feeling like all sorts of creatures and objects could be watching me and... judging me... :eek:

The first time I saw this ep I thought Hailey was going to be a recurring character in the future, after all that setup. I think she would've been interesting.

SaraBahama
December 8th, 2011, 08:18 PM
That's a good point. Figuring out the little energy beings may be partly a matter of physics; but it's also a matter of dealing with aliens, and obviously Sam has a lot of experience with that. I mean, earlier in this season SG-1 met sentient water... if that happened to me I'm sure I'd spend the next several months feeling like all sorts of creatures and objects could be watching me and... judging me... :eek:

The first time I saw this ep I thought Hailey was going to be a recurring character in the future, after all that setup. I think she would've been interesting.

That's why I think I'm going to incorporate her into my fic...I had the same feeling about her...

hedwig
December 12th, 2011, 06:49 PM
That's why I think I'm going to incorporate her into my fic...I had the same feeling about her...

Hailey has been in several fics that I've enjoyed. The authors did well with her.

SaraBahama
December 12th, 2011, 06:57 PM
Hailey has been in several fics that I've enjoyed. The authors did well with her.

Hey, hedwig! Recommendations? If you can remember the fics? (PM me if you want...)

Dimes
December 29th, 2011, 03:47 PM
The girl was annoying at first then not so much after she saw the SGC ;D
Good episode.

GusF
May 27th, 2013, 06:05 AM
Awful, awful episode. For my money, it's the worst episode of the entire series, worse even than "Emancipation" and by God that's saying something. I lack the vocabulary to describe how intensely irritating I find Jennifer Hailey is. She's a snot nosed little brat whose even worse than Wesley Crusher at his own most annoying. She returns in "Proving Ground", another episode in my bottom ten. The whole science vs. the military subplot and the little glowing alien thing were just plain boring as opposed to awful. Too bad the alien swarm didn't kill Hailey. Its only redeeming feature is that it introduces Dr. Lee, who would become one of the series' best recurring characters in Seasons 7-10 as well as appearing in occasional episodes of Atlantis and Universe.

Along with "The Light" and "Entity", this constitutes part of a trio of consecutive episodes which I call the Trilogy of Terror as they're all so, so bad.

Major Clanger
June 15th, 2013, 11:08 AM
pretty "meh" ep with some nice parts. Love a real live USAF general being in it - so cute

Falcon Horus
June 20th, 2013, 07:47 AM
General Ryan turning O'Neill in a bubbling idiot... fun to watch.

"Sir. Sirs... Si... both of you." :p

From the extra's I learned that Don S. Davis was more nervous than the General, who was more at ease than everyone else on the set. :)

Hailey -- okay, too bad we only get see her once more and the not a peep. Too bad.

Those damn scientists... :p

Buzzing energy beings... they were cute, at first, and then not so much.

Continuity error: when Carter and Hailey step through the gate at the SGC, Jennifer is standing on the left side of Sam from our POV, but when they walk through on the other side, they have switched places.

garhkal
June 20th, 2013, 01:42 PM
That error has happened a few other times..
But those glowy aliens also were in SGA..

Falcon Horus
June 20th, 2013, 01:53 PM
But those glowy aliens also were in SGA..

Oh right... damn... :S

garhkal
June 21st, 2013, 01:44 PM
S'ok.. We have all forgotten a few things from time to time.

Baron Of Hell
June 29th, 2013, 04:39 AM
I didn't like Hailey either but I think that was the point. She is playing the stuck up know it all that thinks she is smarter than everyone. We aren't suppose to like her. I dug the episode just wish we found out who was right in the end. Would have been fun to have a bunch of fairies as allies.