Lack of Staff Weapon

[nodrog]

So I was watching s9ep8 when I noticed overall teal'c doesn't use a staff weapon anymore. I'm wondering why not and which do you guys prefer? The staff or regular tauri weapons?

[Stricken]

Tauri, better range see "The Warrior" for better explanation from Jack

Also they are trying to shed the old ways and staff weapons are the old ways!

One more thing is that he left it somewhere and it got nicked!! lol

OR he left it somewhere and it got clampped!! lol

Choose which ever makes you laugh more !!!! lol

[AGateFan]

Someone asked Joe and he said Teal'c has grown beyond the staff weapon. Funny how he didnt grow past it until the writers needed to separate him from his fellow Jaffa. Ever since he has had the freedom to actually BE more jaffa like he has acted more human like. Maybe he just likes being contrary. :p.

Tauri weapons do have advantages over the Staff weapon. But there have been certain situtations that only a staff weapon could resolve. I always thought it was a good idea to have a mix of weapons on the team. After all Staff weapons and Zats dont run out of ammo in a pinch and are useful in situations where the more primitve projectile weapons fail (like stopping the launch of a rocket).

[Eoin]

So I was watching s9ep8 when I noticed overall teal'c doesn't use a staff weapon anymore. I'm wondering why not and which do you guys prefer? The staff or regular tauri weapons?
tealc likes the loud banging off the taur'i weapons :p

[cobraR478]

After all Staff weapons and Zats dont run out of ammo in a pinch and are useful in situations where the more primitve projectile weapons fail (like stopping the launch of a rocket).
While they dont have the accuracy of projectile weapons, they certainly create a good show for primitives groups and can smoothly transition into an effective close combat weapon. The virutally unlimited ammo, and the large amount of force the staff blast seem to create are also pluses. :p

[nodrog]

I agree witht he whole mix of weapons, I mean sure the machine guns and what not are effective but a good staff weapon has gotten them through everything for the first eight seasons haha! Plus the unlimited ammo is a plus also the Zats in my opinion are a must in their missions, I mean how many times did they stun people using those things? They're just effective, you can't shoot someone with a bullet and expect them to be okay after.

[ColonelBob]

Just watch The Warrior episode in S5. It shows why anybody with half a brain would prefer a P90. Just listen to O'Neill

O'NEILL: This is a weapon of terror :eek: . It's made to intimidate the enemy. This is a weapon of war; it's made to kill your enemy. (Referring to the P90)

They also say that it has five times the range.

[Agent_Dark]

Its nice to see Teal'c carrying the M249. Gives SG1 a decent support weapon, which they were lacking when they only had the P-90's and Staff Weapon.

[Deputy-Assistant-Second-Prime]

Regardless of the choice of range weapon, they still need some melee weapons.

Personally, I'd rather see that more often. You know...a little combat variety.

[Ed]

they carry knives for mele remember emcampment way back in season 1 when sam had to fight the cheiftean

also i wonder
what wepon will vala use in s10

[the fifth man]

While I do miss Teal'c's staff weapon, he doesn't really have much use for it anymore. I think the Earth weapons look good on him, personally. Although, I wouldn't mind seeing him with one again, at least a few times this coming season.

[exar-cun]

another incideant where they used close quarters weopons was the ep where they went back to abidose and charaa was there and jack threw the knife at the goua,ld's hand

[carcatcher]

Teal'c is pretty handy with a P90, though it's probably more fun to club someone with a staff

[Tassadar]

While I agree with most of you who say that the P90 is a much better weapon than a Staff, I really miss Teal'c with his staff. I mean that was like his defining weapon. He just isn't the same without it. And I really don't see the point in the writers making him more human. He's Jaffa and that’s one of the reasons his character is so interesting. Also if the writers are going to give him a gun they should give him something a little bigger than a P90. It looks way too small on him and when he uses two it just looks way too unrealistic. I was cringing through that whole battle scene in Off the Gird. Teal'c just stands in the middle with no cover, P90 in each hand, bad guys flanking both sides, and just takes them down.....ya....

[Deevil]

Why would they carry around such an energy based weapon (staff) which is used not just to kill but to terrorise when they are trying to convince locals not to be intimidated into following the Ori?

[NATIK]

While I agree with most of you who say that the P90 is a much better weapon than a Staff, I really miss Teal'c with his staff. I mean that was like his defining weapon. He just isn't the same without it. And I really don't see the point in the writers making him more human. He's Jaffa and that’s one of the reasons his character is so interesting. Also if the writers are going to give him a gun they should give him something a little bigger than a P90. It looks way too small on him and when he uses two it just looks way too unrealistic. I was cringing through that whole battle scene in Off the Gird. Teal'c just stands in the middle with no cover, P90 in each hand, bad guys flanking both sides, and just takes them down.....ya....

Ohh yeah that scene made me cringe to. I dont know precisly how much force a P90 shoots with, but I can almost gurantie that nobody can hold two and not be aiming at the ceiling after the first shot.

[wolverine_nl]

Ohh yeah that scene made me cringe to. I dont know precisly how much force a P90 shoots with, but I can almost gurantie that nobody can hold two and not be aiming at the ceiling after the first shot.
I thought they were using real P90's in the series, they admitted they had to give some back for the Iraq/Afghan situations and so in S9 they use different weapons sometimes.
greetzz

[NATIK]

I thought they were using real P90's in the series, they admitted they had to give some back for the Iraq/Afghan situations and so in S9 they use different weapons sometimes.
greetzz

Dont know about that but you cant aim with two guns no matter what type, even handguns. It just gets worse as you go up, I would suspect a weapon like the P90 have quite a bit of knockback, even if it dosnt have alot it would still be impossible to aim like that, he would be hitting everything else, unless he was very lucky.

[Bragi]

I think Chris might be tired of lugging the thing around after nine eight.

[Tassadar]

Dont know about that but you cant aim with two guns no matter what type, even handguns. It just gets worse as you go up, I would suspect a weapon like the P90 have quite a bit of knockback, even if it dosnt have alot it would still be impossible to aim like that, he would be hitting everything else, unless he was very lucky.

I agree there is no way to aim when you are shooting the way he was. It's just spray like crazy and hope you hit something. I guess you could say that since it was in a cramped hall way you really didn't have to aim much but it still doesn't account for the fact that he was shooting from no cover. He was standing right in the middle of the hallway. I think TPTB are sacrificing some common sense strategy to make things look "cool". IMO it just turns out looking ridiculous but that’s just me.

[Avatar28]

I agree there is no way to aim when you are shooting the way he was. It's just spray like crazy and hope you hit something. I guess you could say that since it was in a cramped hall way you really didn't have to aim much but it still doesn't account for the fact that he was shooting from no cover. He was standing right in the middle of the hallway. I think TPTB are sacrificing some common sense strategy to make things look "cool". IMO it just turns out looking ridiculous but that’s just me.

Yeah, but you gotta admit that it DID look pretty cool. Plus, as you say, he didn't really need to aim much. And with rapid fire weapons like that you don't particularly need to aim. NO rapid fire weapon is accurate in auto mode anyways. They invariably succumb to barrel climb among other accuracy problems. That's why you rarely see them shooting full auto in the military, it's a waste of ammo most of the time. But there are times when "spray and pray" works. Close quarters in a hallway like that probably being one of them. Shotguns work really well in a situation like that too. In fact, knowing I was going into a close quarters situation like aboard a goauld ship I think a shotgun might well be my weapon of choice. 75-100 yards is more than enough range there and 12 gauge double-ought buck would give some serious lethality since at the sorts of ranges jaffa are likely to engage you in you're virtually guaranteed a hit. Throw in the ability to use slugs if needed and watch out.

[Tassadar]

Shotguns would be pretty cool. The only time I've seen SG-1 use them is when they are going up against replicators. I agree with you on the fact that spraying could have worked in that situation but standing in the middle would not. He had Jaffa on both sides and it's like wow how do you not get hit. But then again it's just a show and last i checked Earth doesn't really have a fleet of interstellar battleships either....or do they? ;)

[freyr's mother]

Regardless of the choice of range weapon, they still need some melee weapons.

Hey, taking an M249 to the face is gonna cause some serious damage.



Personally, I'd rather see that more often. You know...a little combat variety.
They equip themselves by how their mission calls for it.

Sure there are plenty of different types of weapons throughout the galaxy, but there's only one type that totally kicks ass. Tauri weapons.

[Avatar28]

Shotguns would be pretty cool. The only time I've seen SG-1 use them is when they are going up against replicators. I agree with you on the fact that spraying could have worked in that situation but standing in the middle would not. He had Jaffa on both sides and it's like wow how do you not get hit. But then again it's just a show and last i checked Earth doesn't really have a fleet of interstellar battleships either....or do they? ;)

Easy, you just make sure you shoot them as soon as they pop around the corner. You're only in danger if they get a chance to shoot you. And you know how Jaffa fight. They run up, stop, raise their staff weapon, and THEN shoot. You have several seconds to shoot at them while they're doing all that. And we wonder why our forces mopped the floor with the jaffa in almost every encounter.

[Avatar28]

Hey, taking an M249 to the face is gonna cause some serious damage.

Not as much as taking a bunch of M249 rounds to the face will. ;-)



They equip themselves by how their mission calls for it.

Sure there are plenty of different types of weapons throughout the galaxy, but there's only one type that totally kicks ass. Tauri weapons.

Yep. And is it me, or is the Lucian alliance ALSO now using earth weapons. At least, they seem to be some type of projectile weapons. I was rather shocked by that.