Welcome to GateWorld Forum! If this is your first visit, we hope you'll sign up and join our Stargate community. If you have questions, start with the FAQ. We've been going strong since 2004, are we are glad you are here.
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
The Ultimate Earth Ship Discussion Thread #SPOILERS#
What about building 'normal' ships ?
Since most of Atlantis is water, a sub would be nice to defend the place.
A full sized sub-wouldn't fit through the Gate, so they'd have to be armed mini-subs.
And yes, Anubis' ships had modified shields and weapons, hence how he blew up Thor's ship
well I saw that figure on some website, with a detailed process on how they came up with that figure. And since it's the only size I've seen mentioned that's the one I'm using.
One could check Maternal Instinct and take the size from the landed Ha'tak and see how many Jaffa it takes to get the radius.'
Well, In 'Double Jeopardy' we learned that Cronus' ship could carry up to one thousand Jaffa.
And that seemed to be standard Ha'tak-class vessel.
So they have to be pretty big.
The problem with death gliders is they have one each each wing so they're too spread out, no wonder they can't hit anything .
The 302's would probably be fitted with something similar but more centerline [like most current aircraft and their cannons]. Hell, I'd be keen to see an avenger strapped on, see how them gliders feel about some 30mm trinium-enhanced DU . If you've no idea what I mean think A-10.
Osiris's ship blasting Thor's ship? I got the feeling it was 'old tech' for the Asgard, especially when three 'O'Neill'-class ships turned up [churned them out fast didn't they ] and Thor would've fitted the latest shields on the Prometheus after we saved their asses, again.
Hey, if you'd been listening, you'd know that Nintendo's pass through everything.
ahem, anyhoo. back to the X-303
Since Thor mentioned fitting asgard designed shields AND weapons, i presume it has at least one asgard beam weapon thingo (blue white shots). As for other weapons i spose guns like AA guns or salvaged Goa'uld guns would be used (orange shots)
And I'm pretty sure the expended ordnance thing was about the F-302s - they can only carry about 4 missiles rite?
well I saw that figure on some website, with a detailed process on how they came up with that figure. And since it's the only size I've seen mentioned that's the one I'm using.
One could check Maternal Instinct and take the size from the landed Ha'tak and see how many Jaffa it takes to get the radius.'
How big do you think a Ha'tak is then?
I'm afraid they're incorrect, no matter how they came up with the figure. 250 meters is the size of a wet navy cruiser, not small to be sure but not large enough to fit all of the systems the Prometheus has. If you multiply that by five it might be more believable, but I don't know by how much. And just for the record, the Goa'uld Mothership is 6.5 kilometers long front-to-back.
AFAIK the Prometheus was using standard AA cannons (think CWIS) AND Asgard designed blue beam thingies in "Lost City", they seem to have loaded it down with no shortage of firepower.
Due to the pounding they were getting, I doubt they could divert hardly energy to the energy weapons, as every spare volt was going to shields.
and on Thor's ship getting destroyed by Osiris, I would wager the ship didn't even have full power up on their shields, it wouldn't be the first time the Asgard superiority mentality bit them in the ass. Furthermore, it was probably the Asgard equivilent of a science vessel, certainly not a battlecruiser. The Asgard were so arrogent (in their own, cute little way) that they probably assumed a science vessel would always be more than a match for a Goa'uld attack.
The prometheus seems to have been fitted with Asgard "combat" shields, like their battlecruisers have (although, probably weaker due to a less powerful energy source)
just my 2c
Weapons : (?)
Missile (?) - The X303 carries a number of missiles for offensive and defensive means. Since this ship was designed by the United States Air force, standard missiles and armaments are available for ship use. They would have to be augmented to be used in space, with different warheads and with anti-Goa'uld systems.
There would be long range missiles used in orbit to bombard planets or to hit targets at a long distance, short range missiles meant to be used against ships or ground forces. Depending on the force needed a standard warhead or Naquadria/Naquadah enhanced can be used. They can be equipped with shield frequency modulator to penetrate shields of ships. The X303 has six rear and four front missile tubes. This gives it excellent front and backfiring arcs. (611-Prometheus, 713-Grace)
Point Defense Weapons (?) - These weapons are primarily used as defensive means. The X303 carries Anti-Aircraft guns for close range defense and to target ground targets. It is unknown what type of weapon is used in this system could be a standard AA gun, a rail gun design or even energy based weapons. Tracers are frequently used to track weapons fire. Most are mounted on turrets to give it wide firing arcs and the ability to track targets. (722-The Lost City Part 2)
Energy Weapon (?) - The X303 is equipped with weapons based on Asgard and Goa'uld designs. They are most likely bolt type weapons of plasma or other charged particles.
Jamming Weapon (?) - A Goa'uld system jamming that can block the control signal used by most Goa'uld control devices. (715-Chimera)
Shields (?) - The shields on the X303 are based on Asgard designs and are made to withstand Goa'uld weapons. In order for the shields to be effective, they need to be kept constantly charged. The shields are also responsible to keep the ship together, and to deflect particles at high sub-slight speeds. Also, the effectiveness of shield in an atmosphere is less than in space. (722-The Lost City Part 2)
Pormetheus against Hatak
Prometheus VS Ha'Tak pyramid ship
Winner Prometheus
*****I am using a final version of the BC-303, full hyperdrive, shield and weapons capabilities. This includes the addition of energy weapons and full power from the reactors.******
In a one on one fight with a Ha’Tak ship, the Prometheus wins easily. As we seen, an attack from a distance of slow moving missiles is not effective; the other ship has time to take out our missiles. Therefore, we will be using our own energy weapons and Asgard weapons at close range. The energy weapons being developed are based on Goa'uld designs so they would be on par weapons wise. However, due to our superior shields and the Asgard weapons we would last longer with out major damage
Prometheus VS Ha'Tak pyramid ship + Death gliders
Winner Prometheus
Same stats. As above, the battle will take more time because of more targets our missile defense would take out most of the gliders before they come into range. We would have light damage.
Prometheus VS Ha'Tak pyramid ship + Death gliders + Al'Kesh support
Winner Prometheus
Same as above, the Prometheus would have heavy damage.
Prometheus VS Ha'Tak pyramid ship + Death gliders + Al'Kesh support + Command Ship
Winner Goa'uld, major damage to support ships and destruction of most gliders
Some damage to the Ha'Tak, no damage to Command ship
Same stats. However, due to the extra fire power from the Command Ship we would be taken out by sheer force.
Prometheus + 8 X302 VS Ha'Tak pyramid ship
Winner Prometheus, no damage
Prometheus + 8 X302 VS Ha'Tak pyramid ship + Death gliders
Winner Prometheus, light damage
Prometheus + 8 X302 VS Ha'Tak pyramid ship + Death gliders + Al'Kesh support
Winner Prometheus, light damage, loss of fighters
Prometheus + 8 X302 VS Ha'Tak pyramid ship + Death gliders + Al'Kesh support + Command Ship
*Winner Prometheus, major damage or destruction of ship due to suicide run loss of all fighters
*Winner Goa'uld, loss or damage to all glider squads and major damage to Al'Kesh and Ha'Tak light damage to Command Ship.
Comment