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SG-1 investigates a conspiracy theorist who has detailed knowledge of the Stargate program.

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Dramaqueen

May 31st, 2004, 12:52 PM

I was just watching that episode on DVD and there was something that confused me. When Marty talks about his dreams and visions he tells Jack that he sometimes sees symbols which are as we know when he show them to Jack are gate coordinates. I was wondering why he knows what the piont of origin symbol of earth looks like. I mean his visions are fragments of his memory, right, and he and the others came to earth by a spaceship so how can he know the PoO symbol?

Boomer359

June 2nd, 2004, 08:42 AM

Well, his culture was pretty advanced. Maybe they had a record of where they came from or figured out what Earth's PoO was by cross referencing the symbols on their gate with the addresses they had visited.

Short answer, though, is that it served the plot...

omnian

June 19th, 2004, 03:32 AM

I always look forward to the motel room scene with 'Murray', Jack and Marty. Teal'c laying on that bed just cracks me up for some reason. And I want to know who is humming in that scene!

Anubis

June 19th, 2004, 04:42 AM

Is that where Teal'c is laying on the vibrating bed? I'm sure it is and he goes to O'Neill for more quarters

tauripeg

June 19th, 2004, 04:54 AM

I always look forward to the motel room scene with 'Murray', Jack and Marty. Teal'c laying on that bed just cracks me up for some reason. And I want to know who is humming in that scene!

I know what you mean that is always one of my favorite scenes in that episode. and I always thought it was Jack humming. :)

Anubis

June 19th, 2004, 04:58 AM

I think it was Jack humming. Who else?

bcmilco

June 19th, 2004, 11:06 AM

IIRC on the DVD Commentaires they say that it is RDA who decided to hum because they way the copyright issued worked for that movie they could get the video for free but they would have had to pay for the audio, so RDA said 'I'll hum'.

Madeleine

June 19th, 2004, 10:41 PM

What did he hum?

bcmilco

June 19th, 2004, 11:36 PM

IIRC he kind of sounded like a spaceship at one point, otherwise I think it was just random humming.

Anubis

June 20th, 2004, 12:26 AM

It wasn't nothing out of the ordinary, as bcm rightly said just something normal and strange!

SeaBee

June 26th, 2004, 02:14 AM

What did he hum?

I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I think he is humming the thrme tune to "The Day The Earth Stood Still", the film he is watching.

thefurryfurling

July 9th, 2004, 10:49 PM

i was watching this episode and had to laugh, as a Montanan and one who has visited Billings twice, it is nothing like in the stargate ep.

it would be great if it was, the real billings is fairly barren, mostly small shrubs and field grass, there are a few mountains in the distance, but it is flat. it's not the semi-rain forest like in the show.

i know the 'billings' was really Vancouver area, British Columbia. i thought that the disparity was kind of funny.

Anubis

July 9th, 2004, 11:09 PM

Was it from that film? No wonder I didn't know, I haven't seen it I don't recall

Selmak

July 10th, 2004, 08:08 PM

Martin Loyd is a cool character and there is a fair amount of comedy in this episode.

Selmak

July 15th, 2004, 06:47 PM

I know a few people like Martin... sad to say

Icemancmd

July 23rd, 2004, 11:38 AM

Worst Esp of Season 4? Gets my vote. Maybe if they hadnt used the BIGGEST DORK ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH the esp would have been better. :p

Anubis

July 23rd, 2004, 12:13 PM

Yeah, this one was a bit poor

Selmak

July 26th, 2004, 06:28 PM

Worst Esp of Season 4? Gets my vote. Maybe if they hadnt used the BIGGEST DORK ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH the esp would have been better. :p
I liked Marty!

mcdonis

August 11th, 2004, 09:33 AM

This episode really was a let down for me. On most comedy eps I really enjoy them, but for this plot idea I think it would have been an excellent serious episode.

Not to mention that in the end the episode just falls flat.

Anubis

August 11th, 2004, 09:36 AM

This episode really was a let down for me. On most comedy eps I really enjoy them, but for this plot idea I think it would have been an excellent serious episode.

I agree that they could have made a lot more seriousness of the episode in general, but my guess is they wanted a comedy type of show here and there. I don't mid them as long as they do actually have purporse!

Jwizzman

August 20th, 2004, 06:09 AM

I always look forward to the motel room scene with 'Murray', Jack and Marty. Teal'c laying on that bed just cracks me up for some reason. And I want to know who is humming in that scene!

yeah, I think it's cool that Teal'c just walks to Jack and raises his hands and Jack knows what he means, it's just to funny for words :D LOL

Anubis

August 20th, 2004, 07:18 AM

yeah, I think it's cool that Teal'c just walks to Jack and raises his hands and Jack knows what he means, it's just to funny for words :D LOL

Doesn't Teal'c run out of money and ask O'Neill for more? :D

SmartFox

March 18th, 2005, 08:00 PM

yeah, I think it's cool that Teal'c just walks to Jack and raises his hands and Jack knows what he means, it's just to funny for words :D LOL

That was a hilarious scene. Loved Marty.

Evil Emperor Zurg

April 19th, 2005, 10:50 AM

I thought it was funny when they were searching Marty's house and teal'c picks up and fires the toy gun and says "this weapon appears to be ineffective" :D

Elite Anubis Guard

April 19th, 2005, 11:37 AM

Doesn't Teal'c run out of money and ask O'Neill for more? :D
lol i loved that, it was sooo funny and the smile! :D

QuiGonJohn

May 27th, 2005, 06:15 AM

I liked this episode. It was funny. I wish they had more info on the others who were with Marty.

Xenoxide

August 5th, 2005, 12:42 PM

See that look Teal'c gives Marty when O'neill hands him the pills and walks out the door? It makes me think: "You want pills? You give me quarters." :D

Perriman33

August 17th, 2005, 06:49 AM

I think marty made this episode and lets face it without him a later epidode wouldn't happen. I liked the way they turned the episode from weird geek who knows too much, to an alien who is speaking the truth. Some really funny scenes in it as well almost all the ones with marty and someone else.
MARTY-* Say guys thats a nice coloured van would you say it was a gray-green colour! (into his lapel)* seemed so out of place in any conversation which made it funny. I get the feeling him and jack got on, on quite a few levels. And teal'c with the vibrating bed wasn't commented on which is a shame. :D

Stricken

September 8th, 2005, 04:28 AM

Hmm not really a favourite of mine Muarray was good and T doing his usual thing on the vibrating bed!!

walter_MacChevron

September 17th, 2005, 11:09 AM

Meh, it was an okay episode

Ascendant

September 19th, 2005, 12:23 AM

Was I the only one that thought Marty's house was hella cool? Anyway, I thought it was funny that they were poking fun at conspiracy theorists when the entire Stargate premise is based off a real conspiracy theory. Pretty funny stuff, with a nice twist.

At any rate, I had gotten "Groundhog Day" out of the library because I heard it was what they based "Window of Opportunity" off of - and it has the guy who plays Marty in it! He only has like two lines, but he's there in the news studio in the beginning. He's about ten years less bald, but that really doesn't mean much.

Coincidentally, I watched Total Recall for the first time yesterday...and it has the guy who plays Senator Kinsey as the evil politician! Talk about'cher type casting.

I would definitely reccommend both movies, but for opposite reasons.

Metarock Sam

September 22nd, 2005, 11:27 AM

This ep is a nice funny ep like wormhole extreme that people dont really aprecciate cos they find Marty to dorky. Ive got to say that The virbrating bed scene is classic and funny it rules.

AGateFan

November 15th, 2005, 02:09 PM

solar wind

November 15th, 2005, 03:48 PM

It was Teal'c humming, wasn't it? I think so.:D
At the beginning in the restaurant it sort of had a detective show feel.
I remember watching this one, a couple times in a row, right when I first started watching Stargate. It brings back fond memories of when I first got hooked.

Seshat

November 15th, 2005, 03:54 PM

Shouldn't we have donuts or something.

I really like this ep. Yet another good one-off team ep. Oh how I miss these.

EDIT: More from this ep.
He goes on like this for awhile...... quite awhile.
Check please
Look familar?
what is that... a duck?
Murray?
more and more and more,
Little stuff like the leaf on Martins head... funny stuff.

I LOVE this episode! :p

"what is that... a duck?" just kills me. That whole scene with the "aliens" and the laptop and the image of junior in Teal'c's tummy reminds me somehow of a few client meetings I've had. I've seen that look on their faces, too. :o

skeezix

January 31st, 2006, 09:17 AM

I just watched this episode last night on DVD. Teal'c had some great scenes. Taking coins from Jack to use on the bed and then laying down with such a satisfied smile cracks me up every time. His little stint as a chef was great as well. Judge can get away with not saying anything and be the funniest part of the show. I loved the intro too btw, "I was just about to do something important." - Jack

andrelage

February 25th, 2006, 06:13 AM

It was Teal'c humming, wasn't it? I think so.:D

i dont think it was teal'c or o'neill humming but i think it came from the tv. that black and white film he was watching because the humming stopped after the tv was switched off.

overall this an average episode really boring in some places but there were some funny bits such as teal'c asking for more coins for the machine.

jckfan55

February 26th, 2006, 08:17 AM

i dont think it was teal'c or o'neill humming but i think it came from the tv. that black and white film he was watching because the humming stopped after the tv was switched off.

overall this an average episode really boring in some places but there were some funny bits such as teal'c asking for more coins for the machine.
In the commentary for the episode they said it would have been too expensive to get permission to use the movie soundtrack so RDA hummed.

jckfan55

February 26th, 2006, 08:19 AM

This ep is a nice funny ep like wormhole extreme that people dont really aprecciate cos they find Marty to dorky. Ive got to say that The virbrating bed scene is classic and funny it rules.
It is funny, but IMHO, not completely over the top like WE.

Liam Kincaid

February 26th, 2006, 06:26 PM

I've started a thread about bringing Tanner and company back for at least one episode in Season 10, http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=24878 . So far all of the responses have been negative.

Wraith_King

March 1st, 2006, 08:18 PM

hey i disagree

solar wind

March 1st, 2006, 08:32 PM

This one is airing on Space tommorrow (for us in Canada) I'm looking forward to it!

L.A. Doyle

April 19th, 2006, 11:07 PM

I love Murray! :)

Darkstar

May 16th, 2006, 07:18 AM

I forgot how much i liked this episode, it was comical and had some level of believability to it, nice twist of ideas with the conspiracy theories, lizard people and president assasination not to mention the microwave harrasment lol :D
Can't wait for the 200th episode here's to that [_]) :D

captain jake

May 16th, 2006, 01:32 PM

Well it dosen't look like he will be in the 200th episode anymore.

Darkstar

May 17th, 2006, 02:14 AM

^Why do you say that, have I missed something out!!?? :eek:

captain jake

May 17th, 2006, 12:42 PM

Did you see the obrien show? the preview had zombies in it and martin was no where to be seen.

spookyalien

June 19th, 2006, 09:15 AM

I like the episode but it's not one I would want to watch many times... Except for Teal'C on the vibrating bed ans asking Jack for more quarters lol!!! That was so funny!!!

My boyfriend swear he have seen the Stargate movie poster in Marty's home, anyone else seen it???

Ilana

August 27th, 2007, 09:19 AM

It was Jack humming. The soundtrack on THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, was one of the first to use a Moog Synthesizer, giving the movie a very unearthly feel. So it was quite distinct. As someone else learned from the commentary, they couldn't use the actual soundtrack itself, so Jack was humming....It was very funny.

Also, like everyone else, I loved "Murray" enjoying the 25 cent massage beds.

Integrabyte

December 29th, 2007, 09:00 AM

Another great episode. They just keep getting better and better. Loved the analogies Jack did :D. Loved the "i'm confident attitude" :D

captain jake

July 1st, 2008, 03:59 PM

I didn't like martin in any of the other episodes he did, however in this particular episode he is quite entertaining. I didn't care for the premise of this episode, but it was the little facial expressions and quotes that made it worth while.

The best line had to be when they were dragging him through the forest and he says something like "cool van, what would you call that color kinda a grayish green huh".

Ulkesh47

July 1st, 2008, 06:06 PM

Now I'll see General Hammond in a new light now that Don S. Davis is dead...

Anyways... memorable things in this episode:

Teal'c on the vibrating bed

"Magnets."

Seeing Matthew Bennett as Ted

captain jake

July 1st, 2008, 11:58 PM

Now I'll see General Hammond in a new light now that Don S. Davis is dead...

Anyways... memorable things in this episode:

Teal'c on the vibrating bed

"Magnets."

Seeing Matthew Bennett as Ted

Ya It was cool to see Matthew Bennett, this was like 4 years before Battlestar Gallactica aired.

My memorable moments include: Martin in the bathroom or when Teal'c tells martin about the Goa'uld and Martin says "Murray" in this fun way.

L E E

July 12th, 2008, 06:44 PM

lots of funny moments again. the looong list of conspiracies. magnets! teal'c and the bed. murray.

HelloVelo

July 18th, 2008, 03:03 PM

I'd like to imagine Martin's appearances on Sex and the City were part of his cover story.

Rating: 8/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/07/point-of-no-return.html

Butlersgate

February 28th, 2009, 10:35 AM

murray is just the most ridiculous name for teal'c yet it somehow works lmao :D great episode, they should of tried to become allies with earth against the gou'ld

shinysign

March 17th, 2009, 08:56 PM

Great episode, I love how Martin befriended "Murray" so quickly despite apparently trying to fight him earlier on.

I just saw the ep for the second time, I have to say, I can see both points of view on people liking and disliking Murray. The first time I saw it I thought he was hilarious, the second time I saw him, I thought his voice was so annoying. He gives so much misinformation that it is a wonder they took him seriously, but he had enough for believability.

And yes, I remember him on Groundhog Day as the insurance salesman, he was so annoying in that but in a hilarious way. "Am I right or am I right? Or am I right??" Anyways, I think he serves his purpose in the show, writing and acting wise, not everyone will like his character. I can say that though I thought he was annoying at times, the episode would not hold up without him.

And another person posted this along time ago, but I agree with them that Martin's house is awesome. It was one of the first things I remembered about this episode before watching it again, though it is only about a 15 second shot of his spaced out living room. I am wondering if that is a real living room of someone's they found, as that would have cost a lot to buy the like 1,000 little items packed in there.

Teal'c was hilarious throughout, and also as a Chef. I also liked that part with the note in the resturaunt, he is about to leave and suddenly he gets a check that says, "stall him!" so they go look for his spaceship.

Martin looks and acts nothing like his fellow aliens, I always wondered why he was so different from them, they are all tall in suits and look alike, they could practically be 4 brothers. Martin doesn't seem to 'match' them, and they never explain why or if there is a reason, but that's allright. Good episode.

The Stig

May 1st, 2009, 11:55 PM

Teal'c on the massaging bed is hilarious. I really like Martin. It was good to see him back in 200.

Ulkesh47

May 3rd, 2009, 10:38 PM

Teal'c on the massaging bed is hilarious.
Mallozzi & Mullie really should have included that gag in "Nightwalkers". They wrote that one and this one.

Dinoman

June 2nd, 2009, 07:04 PM

I'm not fond of Martin Lloyd, I find him boring and annoying.

jsonitsac

August 8th, 2009, 07:18 PM

I liked this episode and thought it was a good send up of conspiracy nuts. I only had a few questions about it.

First: Why did SG-1 conduct a warrant-less search on Marty's house? I realize that they didn't want to reveal details of the SGC to a judge who would have to approve it, but I would think that the fact that Marty was making semi-threatening phone calls to a USAF base, directed towards specific officers, would be probable cause enough to get some kind of warrant.

Second: Was Marty reading NID web forums, and if so, are they hiding them in plain sight on places similar to Above Top Secret (http://www.abovetopsecret.com) or other conspiracy websites? The advantage to doing that would be to create a degree of plausible deniability.

Pic

November 5th, 2009, 09:52 AM

I really don't have a lot of "meat" to offer up regarding this episode. Only that Teal'c wins at life.

MAGIC FINGERS!!!

mrscopterdoc

March 14th, 2010, 12:00 PM

So season four started off with Sam having "fluffy" hair and in the episode before this one [Beneath the Surface] she is back to short hair. :P

Daniel wanted doughnuts.

"Sounds like a good idea for a TV show" (Jack) :lol:

Magnets. :P

Teal'c and the hotel bed :lol:

Poor Marty.

Good episode.

maneth

September 13th, 2010, 09:14 AM

Poor Marty, but at least he was vindicated in the end. Cool episode, and it was weird to see the guy who played Doral on BSG again. He looked just the same as an alien in hiding. :p

sgc

January 6th, 2011, 11:53 PM

Was the grass in Marty's hair a gag? Was it intentional from the beginning, accidentally happened and they rolled with it, or completely accidental?

FrodoFraggins

April 7th, 2011, 08:46 PM

8/10

I thought the humor worked very well. I was disappointed, but not surprised, to see more advanced technology lost. I assume that SGC never bothered searching that planet for any remnants.

I'm not a big fan of formula TV shows and SG-1 really seemed to stick with the formula of finding NO TECH in the early seasons. I prefer the major plot related episodes.

LeftHandedGuitarist

November 4th, 2011, 05:36 AM

Decent, quite funny but the humour is hit-and-miss for me. Martin Lloyd flits between great and a bit annoying for me. My favourite episode with him was '200', and I thought 'Wormhole X-Treme' was pretty bad. This one falls squarely in the middle of those two. A nice X-Files vibe to the whole thing, good to see Matthew Bennet from BSG in an earlier role.

I enjoy the first half of the episode a lot more than the second. The jokes are better, and once Martin's alien friends appear they make the whole thing a bit dull. My favourite line is probably Daniels, "That's a duck, isn't it?"

This episode also wins the award for most boring commentary track so far. Wow. (But at least it doesn't have James Tichenor constantly going, "Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.")

RATING: 7.5 out of 10

mjwalshe

November 9th, 2011, 11:19 AM

Matt G

November 12th, 2011, 02:06 PM

Tuesday night and another ep of SG1...

1. :hammond: He goes on like this for quite some time...

2. Teal'c did seem to enjoy that bed...

3. Marty tripping over the ship.

4. That sort of explosion is going to get people's attention...

Decent ep.

bookwormjules

November 13th, 2011, 11:11 AM

One of my least favourite episodes. I never liked Martin Lloyd. The episode has some funny parts to it, especially undercover Teal'c, or should I say Murry? I like how he finds amusement out of the oddest things - vibrating bed, his smile was priceless. Other than a few pieces here and there, the episode wasn't good.

Did anyone else notice that the cookie monster was one of the alien paraphernalia in Martin's house?

Krisz

November 15th, 2011, 03:51 PM

MARTIN: A top secret government program involving instantaneous travel to other solar systems by means of a device known as a Stargate!

O'NEILL: Sounds like a good idea for a TV show…if you're into that sort of thing!

:D

I like this one, even though Martin can grate on the nerves a bit, he is still a personable guy. I love the idea of an alien being an alien conspiracy nut!!!

NowIWillDestroyAbydos

November 15th, 2011, 03:55 PM

Great and funny episode.

Loved the Jack meta line "That would make a good TV Show." Also, any scene with Teal'c in it was awesome.

Stuff from the commentary:

Joe and Paul (finally) do a commentary
They note how creative the costume department is when Teal'c goes out in the public
When we first see the inside of Martin's house, the magnifying glass on the aliens was an idea of Will Waring

Tomorrow, Jack and Teal'c try out Earth's new space-based ship, and absolutely nothing goes wrong ;).

Jae'a

November 16th, 2011, 07:09 AM

I prefer Martin's other two episodes, (yeah, I like the funny ones :P ) but you can have them without this one, of course. :)

My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/20797.html)

mathpiglet

November 16th, 2011, 03:40 PM

I love it! Funny and very X-File- ish.

Lieutenant Sparrow

November 17th, 2011, 01:53 AM

I like it but I don't love it. It has its moments. Murry on the virbrating bed for example haha.

Seaboe Muffinchucker

November 17th, 2011, 08:50 AM

I prefer Martin's other two episodes, (yeah, I like the funny ones :P ) but you can have them without this one, of course. :)

Whereas I prefer this to the other two because it's funny without being silly.

Seaboe

Brother Freyr

November 18th, 2011, 09:34 PM

Whereas I prefer this to the other two because it's funny without being silly.

Me, too, and for the same reason. The other two have a lot inside joking about the television industry. They feel self-indulgent, which isn't an awful thing, but I have no interest in TV industry politics, jokes, etc.

The opening of the epsiode -- the recorded phone message -- is hilarious.

jelgate

November 19th, 2011, 10:00 PM

Ah the first of many SG1 episodes that involve stakeouts. I even love Daniel's line of are we suppose to bring doughnuts. It has nothing to do with the NID which is why I like it so much. It is something different then the planet of the week stories and I find it interesting to see the covert goverment watching some crackpots believe in. It is also interesting to see the insight into Marty and his role as an alien and the role Tanner and his men did to hide the secret from the local population of Earth. But how do you hide an explosion that big?:P

Dave2

November 22nd, 2011, 02:28 PM

I am dense with this episode as well. Marty a SOLDIER in intergalactic war against the goa'uld who they couldn't defeat? Doesn't make sense. Also, even if they arrived on Earth, it means they are advanced enough to engage in intergalactic travel without a stargate, so how did Marty find out about the idea of stargate, not to mention SGC and O'Neil??
What did his "friends" mean by the "experiment"?? It was their escape pod. Do these aliens return for another episode, and had Marty been more sophisticated he could have even been integrated into the SGC.

fems

November 22nd, 2011, 02:43 PM

Dave2

November 22nd, 2011, 03:50 PM

Thanks. I didn't get past season 4 yet...........Anyway, can Marty tell us how he got the phone number for the SGC? And if he could get their number, he could get any number, including......Maybourne's.......
And isn't his home planet worth further investigation reconnaissance to find out what happened there, what their society was like, weaponry, technology, etc.??? It seemed as if Marty's cotravelers didn't know anything about a stargate and were mystified about what Teal'c had in his belly. Presumably if they were fighting the goa'ulds they would have known about the Jaffa.....

Seaboe Muffinchucker

November 22nd, 2011, 04:17 PM

Dave2, a number of the questions in your first post would be answered if you listened to the commentary. As for the phone number--there is almost certainly a public contact number for the base (Cheyenne Mountain). From there the call would be routed to the appropriate people. I take it you don't work for a large corporation...

Seaboe

Dave2

November 22nd, 2011, 04:46 PM

No, but the SGC is a top secret operation even only ostensibly under the oversight of the President and the Joint Chiefs. So how is it likely for the SGC Cheyenne Mountain operation to have an accessible phone number?

Dave2, a number of the questions in your first post would be answered if you listened to the commentary. As for the phone number--there is almost certainly a public contact number for the base (Cheyenne Mountain). From there the call would be routed to the appropriate people. I take it you don't work for a large corporation...

Seaboe

hlndncr

November 22nd, 2011, 04:56 PM

No, but the SGC is a top secret operation even only ostensibly under the oversight of the President and the Joint Chiefs. So how is it likely for the SGC Cheyenne Mountain operation to have an accessible phone number?

Phone number for Norad: (719) 554-6889.

That took me less than a minute to find. And Marty explained that he learned about the SGC on conspiracy websites that talked about a secret base below norad in Cheyenne mountain. He would have had no problem making that call. The operator took Marty's call; recorded it and passed it on to Hammond.

Seaboe Muffinchucker

November 22nd, 2011, 05:35 PM

What hlndncr said. Marty didn't need a number for the SGC. He only needed a number for Cheyenne Mountain.

Seaboe

hlndncr

November 22nd, 2011, 05:46 PM

And let me just say that you probably shouldn't call that number and ask to speak with someone at Stargate Command. Although, I'm willing to bet you wouldn't be the first to do so.

You can however call them and ask where Santa is. They've been tracking his sleigh since 1955.

hedwig

November 22nd, 2011, 06:05 PM

Seaboe Muffinchucker

November 22nd, 2011, 08:34 PM

Apparently Jay Felger gave it to his Mom. She called him in his lab at the SGC in "Avenger 2.0". :D

I work for a very large corporation (150,000 employees world wide, plus subsidiaries). I have a direct dial number, which I could give my mother. But if you call the general number for my corporation, they won't give you my direct dial unless you prove you also work for the same corporation. They will connect you to me (or my voice mail), but they won't give out the number.

My guess is that Jay's lab has a direct dial number, which he gave his mother for emergency use only. His mother's interpretation of 'emergency' however, is flexible. :D

Seaboe

Dave2

November 23rd, 2011, 06:17 AM

OK, but Norad is not the SGC. And where did he hear of the stargate to begin with and O'Neil?

Matt G

November 23rd, 2011, 08:03 AM

Well we know the media was sniffing round Jack in the S2 ep Secrets therefore it's reasonable to assume that if there was a leak that far back, enough bits and pieces would make it online by S4.

hlndncr

November 23rd, 2011, 08:13 AM

OK, but Norad is not the SGC. And where did he hear of the stargate to begin with and O'Neil?

It would not be a stretch of the imagination that the NORAD and SGC switchboards are the same. And Marty clearly states that he learned about the stargate and O'Neill through conspiricy chatrooms.

I think you need to rewatch the episodes more than once if you are having such trouble grasping the details. And you should also realize that the writers consider their audiance sophisticated enough to fill in the gaps with reasonable explanations as we have done here. If you can't accept that then you are watching the wrong show. I for one don't want the show to waste story telling time telling me step by step how Marty might have gathered his information. It's a reasonable enough scenario that I can merely assume that it was done.

Dave2

November 23rd, 2011, 11:28 AM

Criticism acknowledged and accepted, hlndcr. As I posted elsewhere, I am often so impacted by the extent of realism that I have unrealistic expectations of them filling in all the gaps to provide a fuller context, especially as the potential basis for more elements in future shows, i.e. the original planet of Marty, what happened with the goa'uld war, the survivors, etc. etc. the "experiment," etc. No harm done.

fems

November 23rd, 2011, 12:01 PM

It's why fanfic was created ;)

Dave2

November 23rd, 2011, 01:17 PM

This website's episode summaries include questions about each episode touching on the context and details, much like the type of questions I ask. Take this page for example: http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s4/411.shtml

It would not be a stretch of the imagination that the NORAD and SGC switchboards are the same. And Marty clearly states that he learned about the stargate and O'Neill through conspiricy chatrooms.

I think you need to rewatch the episodes more than once if you are having such trouble grasping the details. And you should also realize that the writers consider their audiance sophisticated enough to fill in the gaps with reasonable explanations as we have done here. If you can't accept that then you are watching the wrong show. I for one don't want the show to waste story telling time telling me step by step how Marty might have gathered his information. It's a reasonable enough scenario that I can merely assume that it was done.

hlndncr

November 23rd, 2011, 01:43 PM

This website's episode summaries include questions about each episode touching on the context and details, much like the type of questions I ask. Take this page for example: http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s4/411.shtml

You'd have to ask Darren about that. I think he wrote a lot of those ep guides around the time the ep aired.

What I'm saying is that there are going to be plot holes and it's perfectly valid to point them out. But I think some holes just aren't critical to understanding the story and/or can be explained away sufficiently in many different ways that don't need to be spelled out explicitly. That is my position at least. If you're looking for definitive answers for these things for the most part they just aren't out there. Some things come up in later eps, but most of the time you just have to use your imagination. I'm perfectly capable of doing that and in fact enjoy doing so. If the suggestions we've provided here for how those holes can be squared away don't satisfy you then how would you explain it? Because if you're convinced that it's unexplainable and impossible then I can only conclude that you don't really like the show.

dtheories

November 27th, 2011, 01:30 PM

The Day the Earth Stood Still
Jack's scifi humming and Teal'c's vibrating bed are among the funnier parts of this ep, for sure. Teal'c's enjoyment of newspaper rags does set up for Daniel to learn about his professor in The Curse, but otherwise, the ep just unfolds nice and slow with odd bits of humor to lighten the day. Like Jack's face while Martin's explaining his implants. Priceless!