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CueBa'al
August 28th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Could the SG teams use beaming tech in order to obtain and analyze advanced technologies? Possibly even fabricate them? According to what I've seen the Asgard do with the beaming tech, they should be able to; however it seems that the SG teams do not realize the full potential of this enormous gift that has been bestowed upon them.

vonbismarck
August 28th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Do you mean to just beam up advanced tech. from other planets without getting their permission first? If that is what you mean, I am guessing that would be considered stealing which I believe a rogue group of the NID already tried before.

CueBa'al
August 28th, 2005, 08:23 PM
Not what I had in mind. Example: An SG team finds an ancient weapon. They use the beaming tech to grab it, analyze it, and possibly even fabricate one of their own. For instance in Trinity, McKay could have beamed the cannon itself aboard the Daedalus's computers in order to obtain its technology. You see what I'm saying? In other words, if O'Neill can use Asgard beaming tech to fabricate the disruptor weapon, then obviously the technology's uses are varied and many. :D

walterIsTheMan
August 28th, 2005, 08:28 PM
Not what I had in mind. Example: An SG team finds an ancient weapon. They use the beaming tech to grab it, analyze it, and possibly even fabricate one of their own. For instance in Trinity, McKay could have beamed the cannon itself aboard the Daedalus's computers in order to obtain its technology. You see what I'm saying? In other words, if O'Neill can use Asgard beaming tech to fabricate the disruptor weapon, then obviously the technology's uses are varied and many. :D

an interesting idea, but its possible that oneill was only able to do that cause he had the ancient knowledge and modified the beaming tech to do that, maybe it normally cant do that. but still its an interesting idea ;)

TechnoWraith
August 28th, 2005, 08:33 PM
Not what I had in mind. Example: An SG team finds an ancient weapon. They use the beaming tech to grab it, analyze it, and possibly even fabricate one of their own. For instance in Trinity, McKay could have beamed the cannon itself aboard the Daedalus's computers in order to obtain its technology. You see what I'm saying? In other words, if O'Neill can use Asgard beaming tech to fabricate the disruptor weapon, then obviously the technology's uses are varied and many. :D

Citing your example, that's still technically stealing. However, you could always "reverse engineer" the device to your hearts delight and get away with it that way. ;)

An interesting idea, yes. But in my opinion, i think that method would make it too easy to obtain technology (physically -that is not having to go pick it up and carry it. Reverse engineering will still require the Carter's and McKay's to disect and divulge their findings accordingly). But this method also presents a real convenient way to steal stuff from people, which would essentially throw diplomatic relations straight out the window.

vonbismarck
August 28th, 2005, 08:35 PM
I see what you are saying, sorry for misunderstanding you before. I am probably wrong, but from what I can remember, didn't O'Neill create the distruptor weapon the asgard ship with materials already there and then beam it to the room everyone was in?

TechnoWraith
August 28th, 2005, 08:43 PM
The asgard ship fabricated the device on it's own, using the ancient information that O'Niell had in his minds. So yes, you are correct. :)

CueBa'al
August 28th, 2005, 09:19 PM
Technowraith: Stealing tech? Hehe, you must not fully trust the SG teams to be honest, law-abiding, false-god fearing citizens...well okay maybe we can drop the false-god bit...but in any case, beaming tech does make it rather easy to do, but then again, much of the tech (esp ancient tech) they run into is abandoned and claimed by no one: Like the weapon which the Arcturus project in Trinity used (big blue blaster), or the ancient satellite weapon, etc. Wouldn't it be nice if they could make a 'copy' of something they find so that when McKay and/or Carter blow it up/fry it/let the smoke out of it/otherwise break it while trying to figure it out, then the original can still be preserved for a future attempt.

vonbismarck
August 28th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Shouldn't they have the blue prints for ancient weapons in the ancient database? Also, where are they going to get all the material to keep building proto weapons to test?

EnigmaNZ
August 28th, 2005, 10:55 PM
What the captain of the daedalus should have done is, when he saw the weapon disharging then the shuttle making a dash for it is think "bugger, I knew McKay would screw it up, looks like time for plan B" then beam the ion cannon and it's auxilliaries away then nipped into HS before the blast caught it. He then would have mounted the thing on the raised platform behind the silo's, and gone back to Atlantis proudly proclaiming "mine is bigger than yours" to any waith that got in the way. :D

Ascended Times.2
August 28th, 2005, 10:58 PM
Reverse-engineering the thing (in this case the giant blue laser, laser for short) wouldn't nessesarily mean making it out of ALL the materials that the laser was made of, perhaps if they had figured out how it works, they could make it out of, let's say trinium besides (god knows what it was made of...) Anyway. They god mining teams of stargate command are always happy to provide! :)

vonbismarck
August 28th, 2005, 11:56 PM
If the weapon is of ancient design (and there is debate on that) do you think we would be able to reverse engineer it or even build it if we have the designs? Also, what kind of power requirement would it have? Did it have to be hooked up to the experimental power to function?

MCL
August 29th, 2005, 01:41 AM
I reckon Earth should be building Beam tech harvesters to go and mine minerals from around the solar system or systems near ours, imagine how much faster we could build our civilization without having to dig the stuff out of the ground.

If the beam tech can run from a naquadah generator then it will be reasonably economical to mine using this technology.

MCL

cozzerob
August 29th, 2005, 02:18 AM
If your transporter records the energy patterns of the object, and then converts the transmitted energy back into matter, then it would technically be possible to synthesis another item. For instance, in the episode 48 hours, the stargate had the energy pattern for teal'c stored, but it didn't have a dhd to create an event horizon -wormhole and the energy to reconvert into teal'c - it never made it back to earth. That's why they connected the dhd and a naquada generator (if i remember correctly, the big wires). And even if they didn't connect one, we know already that the dhd supplies power, co it could suipply power in this case -generator (but i thought i saw a generator there too...)

Anyway, the point is that if you have the energy pattern for the item, you shopuld just need to supply more power to turn into this object. Again. Imagine hooking up your portable power generator and pumping out a load of tollan ion cannons, etc.

The problem with this is that 1)you need to supply power to convert into mass, and e=mc^2 means you need alot of power for very little energy. 2)it makes getting tech too easy for the show. 3) the cizilisation you're copying the tech from must be happy for you to copy their tech. 4) you'll need to figure out how to power your snazzy new device, and 5) you don't understand how it works, just that it does the job - until it breaks down, at which point you have to make a new one...

The up side is that its really easy, just temporarily de-mat and re-mat the object in question (in the same position, so it dissapears for a sec then reappears again in the same place), don't erase the energy pattern and get a power source.

Three PhDs
August 29th, 2005, 03:36 AM
I reckon Earth should be building Beam tech harvesters to go and mine minerals from around the solar system or systems near ours, imagine how much faster we could build our civilization without having to dig the stuff out of the ground.

If the beam tech can run from a naquadah generator then it will be reasonably economical to mine using this technology.

MCLFalse economy. It's like designing a machine that costs £1,000,000 and uses 2GW of power that you install in toilets to check your flies are done up after you go.

AsgardCarnage
August 29th, 2005, 03:46 AM
thats a good point why dont they use the beaming tech to mine things or create stuff they need?

one reason for them not doing is maybe the asgard didn't give them that ability? maybe they only let them move things from one place to another not keep energy patterns stored in buffers or create new things from raw energy.

this might cut down on problems us youngings might have like people or things getting trapped or us using that to kill hundreds of people at a time with no effort, they didn't even like us beaming nukes to one of our worst enemies.

one thing that would support this is in sg1 Ex Dues Machinea they beamed the building into space for it to blow up why not just keep i it suspended in the energy buffer and erase it, no explotion and no chance of anyone seeing that explotion

freyr's mother
August 29th, 2005, 07:56 AM
Not what I had in mind. Example: An SG team finds an ancient weapon. They use the beaming tech to grab it, analyze it, and possibly even fabricate one of their own. For instance in Trinity, McKay could have beamed the cannon itself aboard the Daedalus's computers in order to obtain its technology. You see what I'm saying? In other words, if O'Neill can use Asgard beaming tech to fabricate the disruptor weapon, then obviously the technology's uses are varied and many. :D

he didn't use beaming tech to fabricate the disruptor weapon Spoilers for New Order 1 and 2 his consiousness was uploaded into an asgard computor and he still had access to the repository knowledge. The computer put the weapon together, not beaming tech.

vonbismarck
August 29th, 2005, 05:17 PM
If your transporter records the energy patterns of the object, and then converts the transmitted energy back into matter, then it would technically be possible to synthesis another item. For instance, in the episode 48 hours, the stargate had the energy pattern for teal'c stored, but it didn't have a dhd to create an event horizon -wormhole and the energy to reconvert into teal'c - it never made it back to earth. That's why they connected the dhd and a naquada generator (if i remember correctly, the big wires). And even if they didn't connect one, we know already that the dhd supplies power, co it could suipply power in this case -generator (but i thought i saw a generator there too...)

Anyway, the point is that if you have the energy pattern for the item, you shopuld just need to supply more power to turn into this object. Again. Imagine hooking up your portable power generator and pumping out a load of tollan ion cannons, etc.

The problem with this is that 1)you need to supply power to convert into mass, and e=mc^2 means you need alot of power for very little energy. 2)it makes getting tech too easy for the show. 3) the cizilisation you're copying the tech from must be happy for you to copy their tech. 4) you'll need to figure out how to power your snazzy new device, and 5) you don't understand how it works, just that it does the job - until it breaks down, at which point you have to make a new one...

The up side is that its really easy, just temporarily de-mat and re-mat the object in question (in the same position, so it dissapears for a sec then reappears again in the same place), don't erase the energy pattern and get a power source.

I am not exactly sure how you are saying this should work. With Teal'c, they couldn't send anything else through as it would erase his data (I believe). Also, once Teal'c came out, there was no more info for him so they couldn't keep spitting out more of him. I guess if you found a way to keep said item in the memory buffer even after spitting one out but you probably wouldn't be able to keep more than one item at a time in memory or probably have enough memory to store an item.


False economy. It's like designing a machine that costs £1,000,000 and uses 2GW of power that you install in toilets to check your flies are done up after you go.
That would be a great idea for an invention. Think of all the embrassing situations that could be avoided. For that alone it would be worth the time, money and resources.

cozzerob
August 30th, 2005, 04:07 AM
I wasn't saying you use the stargate specifically to do it - the stargate has too many saftey precautions for that to work. I'm talking about the principle, which could then be applied using another transporter device... ie, an asgard transported, connected to a power generator which has been rigged to store the memory pattern, not erase it after each transport cycle as is the norm...

LincolnFord
August 30th, 2005, 11:51 AM
Not what I had in mind. Example: An SG team finds an ancient weapon. They use the beaming tech to grab it, analyze it, and possibly even fabricate one of their own. For instance in Trinity, McKay could have beamed the cannon itself aboard the Daedalus's computers in order to obtain its technology. You see what I'm saying? In other words, if O'Neill can use Asgard beaming tech to fabricate the disruptor weapon, then obviously the technology's uses are varied and many. :D
Remember that Thor said that O'Neill used the ship computer to fabricate the weapon so I don't think it was the asguard's beaming technology but rather a different energy platform all together used for synthesizing things.

HAL
August 31st, 2005, 02:47 AM
didnt Thor say he was designing the device not building it