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Aris Boch
August 19th, 2005, 11:23 PM
I don't know if anyones thought of this before. Three shots from a zat disintegrate matter right. But how much matter would a zat blast encompass. Would it be possible to disintegrate a whole stargate and could the zat technology be modified to be used in larger weapons? Could it be used to create a weapon to disintegrate or disable whole ships?

I am most curious about the affects of a zat on a stargate. Please share your thoughts.

A-bomb
August 20th, 2005, 04:03 AM
This is an interesting thought AB. First of all, I don't think the Goauld or anyone lucky enough to get their hands on a zat are going to go around zapping stargates, even if it is stronger. Secondly, maybe some materials have a resisatance to the blast, or the zat is programmed not to disintegrate certain materials. This or the Goauld are much thicker than anyone could possibly imagine. Either way you look at it, this is an interesting subject for an interesting weapon.

Colonel Sharp
August 20th, 2005, 08:40 AM
I made a thread about that a while back, I'll go and look for it, it's too bad the 'search' option is off..

Hulabaloo
August 20th, 2005, 08:48 AM
Okay i have a Zat related question, if you fire a Zat under water would it work? Also as they are like something to do with electricity wouldnt you end up electricuting yourself?

whatswiththehairtealc
August 20th, 2005, 11:18 AM
and did anyone notice they never "2 shot" kill or "3 shot" disinigrate anyone since the first ep the zat aired?

beale947
August 20th, 2005, 11:26 AM
Attualy, the 2 shot and 3 shots have been used before. In the Episode where Sam is taken over by the computer virus, they zat her twice, and in the episode, where herur steals the harsisis child they zat the unconsious jaffa 3 times, and when teal'c first fights the krull warriors he zat's it a hell of alot of times, so the 2 shots and 3 shots+ have been used other than the first zat episode.

myst
August 20th, 2005, 01:01 PM
I remember that episode when they said something about 2 killing and 3 disintigrating...but apparently the 3 shots haven't done there effect, have they?

Aris Boch
August 20th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Does anyone know what kind of energy a zat fires? I can't see an electrical current disintegrating anything. It's supposed to be like a staff blast but less powerful but it acts nothing like a plasma burst. Any one with more than a high school education in science? Feel free to theorise.

cozzerob
August 21st, 2005, 06:57 AM
As far as i am aware, the zat gun uses a type of energy similar to electricity, but different (because our scientists haven't been able to work out exactly what it is yet). This energy uses your own boi-electrical field and elters it, first causing loss of consciousness, on second shot the field created causes cardiac arrest. upon the third shot the field now becomes strong enough to disintergrate the opponant.

Disintergration is very far fetched and would take a heck of a lot of energy, which is why it is rarely uses post series 3, where consistance and science-fact became the key phrases.

As goes destroying non-living objects, i know they did it in one episode, but it really shouldn't happen. If you are going to assume it can then it will only work on very small objects, like the box of zats. Destroying a stargate in this method would be almost, if not completely impossible as 1) it's very big and 2) the stargate soaks up energy to make wormholes, you'd most likely have to spend generations hitting it with the zat, and even then it would probably explode as opposed to blowing up (like in the episode where anubis attacks, the stargate soaks up the energy, and eventually exploded. It goes with out saying tho, that the weapon anubis had must have been many, many times more powerful than a zat).

mpw
August 21st, 2005, 08:20 AM
Hmmm, I wonder if a zat can be used to power a gate.

Three PhDs
August 21st, 2005, 08:34 AM
As far as i am aware, the zat gun uses a type of energy similar to electricity, but different (because our scientists haven't been able to work out exactly what it is yet).When was that stated?


Disintergration is very far fetched and would take a heck of a lot of energy, which is why it is rarely uses post series 3, where consistance and science-fact became the key phrases.Perhaps, perhaps not. I can't think of a means of disintegrating something.


As goes destroying non-living objects, i know they did it in one episode, but it really shouldn't happen. If you are going to assume it can then it will only work on very small objects, like the box of zats.Why? Are big objects made of different atoms than small objects?

cozzerob
August 21st, 2005, 08:52 AM
I can't quite remember - but i think it was stated some time in series 1 or 2. I'll have to re-watch them - I havent seen those series for ages. If i find it i'll let you know...

me neither. except by using very large amount of electricity and charged metallic plates. but i'm not even sure about that - again, something else i need to look into.

you need large quantitied of concentrated energy to diaintergrate an item. the larger the item, the more it can disperse the energy throughout itself and avoid disintergration (obviously not intentionally, but that's what happens, eneryg spreads).

Three PhDs
August 21st, 2005, 11:11 AM
me neither. except by using very large amount of electricity and charged metallic plates. but i'm not even sure about that - again, something else i need to look into.By what process?


you need large quantitied of concentrated energy to diaintergrate an item. the larger the item, the more it can disperse the energy throughout itself and avoid disintergration (obviously not intentionally, but that's what happens, eneryg spreads).Yeah, so more shots would disintegrate them if that's the case.

Jeffer
August 21st, 2005, 12:23 PM
i think the Zat can only disingrate organic matter

Jeffer
August 21st, 2005, 12:26 PM
i think the Zat can only disinigrate orgainc matter stoping it from destroying anything made of a metal i.e. the Gate

cozzerob
August 22nd, 2005, 10:34 AM
me neither. except by using very large amount of electricity and charged metallic plates. but i'm not even sure about that - again, something else i need to look into.

By what process?




you need large quantitied of concentrated energy to diaintergrate an item. the larger the item, the more it can disperse the energy throughout itself and avoid disintergration (obviously not intentionally, but that's what happens, eneryg spreads).

Yeah, so more shots would disintegrate them if that's the case.

Not sure about the disintergtation. If i am remembering correctly, the basic principle is the creation of an electromagnetic (?) field between the two plates. When an object enters the field it gets fried...

Althought you are technically correct, more blasts should provide more energy, the problem is that we don't know how fast the energy from a zat blast is dissapated in an inanimate object. in organic objects the zat modifies the persons electro-magnetic field temporarily, so the effect is more long-term, however, in a block of lead, the effect would be over very quickly. Assuming it is just a large object, i guess you could just keep hitting it repeatedly with the zat and hope that you build up enough energy in the object to disintergrate it. It all depends on the mass and density of the object, and even then, if it's not small, then i wouldn't hold your breath.

As goes destroying a stargate, as i previously said, the gate will soak up the energy until it explodes, rather than be disintergrated.

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 12:00 AM
I don't know if anyones thought of this before. Three shots from a zat disintegrate matter right. But how much matter would a zat blast encompass. Would it be possible to disintegrate a whole stargate and could the zat technology be modified to be used in larger weapons? Could it be used to create a weapon to disintegrate or disable whole ships?

I am most curious about the affects of a zat on a stargate. Please share your thoughts.
It seems as though the Zat can only disintengrate the amount of matter that its' blast can encompass which seems to disapate after about a meter. So I would say may a a cubic meter of matter, maybe two cubic meters.

I think a Stargate would simply abosrb the energy, as well I believe it would be to big to desintegrate.

Yes, I believe a larger scale weapon based on Zat'nikitel technology could be acheived, however, with shields around ships, the Zat would likley have no effect seeing as it is not meant to penetrate forcefields.

Owen Macri