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PrimalAscended
August 19th, 2005, 04:12 PM
Just watched "Gemini" again after a while and gotta ask a question. Why the heck does the Alpha site have a dialling computer AND a DHD???

At the end of the episode the computer is used to dial the gate but if you watch the DHD it lights up too, so must be actually opening the gate. Why make it more complicated by adding the computer in?? seeing as that is what lets Replicarter escape as she has locked Sam out of the dialling computer!!!

Just doesn't seem to make too much sense to me, except as a highly convoluted plot device......... What do you guys think?

MarshAngel
August 19th, 2005, 04:47 PM
I would think the computer is keeping track of all those little things the DHD doesn't tell you because it doesn't have a display screen. Power output, receiving incoming transmissions, and allowing you to dial or shut down the gate without being physically in the room... just in case.

Eoin
August 19th, 2005, 05:35 PM
another question about the alpha site:
why doesnt it have an iris to protect from unwanted visiters??

VironX
August 19th, 2005, 07:52 PM
another question about the alpha site:
why doesnt it have an iris to protect from unwanted visiters??

the alpha site is suppose to be a place to flee if the goa'uld took over earth, if the goa'ulds knew where it was, then theres no point in the alpha site

myst
August 20th, 2005, 01:14 PM
Yes, but there really should've be an Iris at the Alpha Site incase they would of found out the location.

It does make it more complicated I guess if you have a computer and DHD. Why not just use the DHD? You don't always need to look at the specifics.

MarshAngel
August 20th, 2005, 01:48 PM
You don't use a computer with a DHD because you have to but because you WANT to. It's the only way to learn how it works and see what it's doing when it's operational.

The address to the alpha site is not on the Abydos cartouche and the goa'uld do not know it. They could only find out if someone from the SGC tells them, in which case you have more than one problem. Having an iris would be nice but it's not something they'd have use for very often.

Gargen
August 20th, 2005, 02:31 PM
I would think the computer is keeping track of all those little things the DHD doesn't tell you because it doesn't have a display screen. Power output, receiving incoming transmissions, and allowing you to dial or shut down the gate without being physically in the room... just in case.


and sometimes the dhd screws up

Lieutenant Colonel Davis
August 21st, 2005, 02:53 AM
and sometimes the dhd screws up
due to human error.

Blend
August 21st, 2005, 03:15 AM
I think the whole monitoring thing is more than ample reason.

And the computer still has the ability to dial because it would be rather pointless to take that feature out.

I dont know why there is no Iris, i cant think of a good reason..

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 09:23 AM
Yes, you are right, the dialing computer plus DHD does not make a lot of sense but it could be backup incase the computers go down or something.

Owen Macri

Heisenberg
August 23rd, 2005, 10:01 AM
Thats funny I watched that episode an hour ago lol.

I'd assume that the computer was to list the gate addresses that could be accessed and the DHD was there to power the gate. The computer seems to be interfaced with the DHD as it lights up, so it might be linked in a system of Computer-DHD-Gate. If you think about this, the DHD would be handy as it could easily calculate the stellar drift internally, a second way of opening the gate in case of computer failure and it might also allow for the address to be "double checked" by the DHD before it opens the gate.

Actually that reasoning should mean its better than Earth's system, as Carter's dialing program ignores 220 of the 400 signals that the Gate should send and recieve as well as being "Three Supercomputers McGyvered together"

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 10:03 AM
That is a very good idea, I didn't think of that.

Owen Macri

MarshAngel
August 23rd, 2005, 11:25 AM
Owen, I challenge you not to respond to the post just so that there's a topic in this section in which you aren't the last poster.

Heisenberg
August 23rd, 2005, 12:02 PM
Thats a bit of a cruel burn isn't it? True (sorry Owen), but still kinda rude?

If you can't post something nice... PM it lol.

But sers, keep the jibes down eh?

Stricken
August 23rd, 2005, 12:19 PM
No Iris = The reason already talked about the Alpha site is on a planet which is not on the Abydos Cartouche which was the Goa'uld map of Stargates making it a safe haven to go to as the chances of attack are slim to none.

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 12:24 PM
Owen, I challenge you not to respond to the post just so that there's a topic in this section in which you aren't the last poster.
Actually, there was a thread started that I didn't post in...

Lida started a thread called "The Owen Macri is not allowed to post here thread." It was funny, we had a good time, I actually didn't post, instead I started another thread to reply to that thread called "Owen Macris' solution to "The Owen Macri is not allowed to post here thread."" It lasted almost four days I think, before Lidas' thread was deleted, oh, those were good times....

Anyways, I accept your challenge!

(I don't know how long I can last though....)lol

Owen Macri

Heisenberg
August 23rd, 2005, 12:29 PM
*quietly coughs* Erm Owen, I think that you just negated the entire challenge from that post...

Just don't reply to this one! *laughs*

mightydefiant
August 23rd, 2005, 12:58 PM
Owen, I challenge you not to respond to the post just so that there's a topic in this section in which you aren't the last poster.
When I came here, all last posts were by owen.

MarshAngel
August 23rd, 2005, 07:12 PM
Actually, there was a thread started that I didn't post in...

Lida started a thread called "The Owen Macri is not allowed to post here thread." It was funny, we had a good time, I actually didn't post, instead I started another thread to reply to that thread called "Owen Macris' solution to "The Owen Macri is not allowed to post here thread."" It lasted almost four days I think, before Lidas' thread was deleted, oh, those were good times....

Anyways, I accept your challenge!

(I don't know how long I can last though....)lol

Owen Macri


I'm glad you can take some light-hearted humor Owen because apparently there are several people around who just can't imagine that I could be joking. :rolleyes:

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 07:19 PM
*quietly coughs* Erm Owen, I think that you just negated the entire challenge from that post...

Just don't reply to this one! *laughs*
Lol, sorry about that.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 07:20 PM
When I came here, all last posts were by owen.
Yes, and it would still be that way now, but I did not have internet acces for over a week! lol.

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
August 23rd, 2005, 07:31 PM
Nice attempt at thread hijacking guys!!!! ;)

But to bring it on back.......What I don't get is why Carter couldn't shut down the gate because the computer had been locked out......Surely even in a computer-to-DHD-to-gate setup the DHD would have ultimate control of the gate and be able to override the computer......So press the BRB and the gate shuts down......simple isn't it?? Or am I missing something?

Maybe it all just boils down to plot device and falls headlong into that massive plothole floating around the universe. ;)

I'd rather it didn't though and we came up with a decent explanation in "Stargate Science" (or SGS for short)...........as opposed to "Real Life Science" (or RLS)

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 07:32 PM
I'm glad you can take some light-hearted humor Owen because apparently there are several people around who just can't imagine that I could be joking. :rolleyes:
Ya, humor makes everything less serious, it makes you relax, you'll live longer.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 07:32 PM
Ok, no more replying.

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
August 23rd, 2005, 07:35 PM
Ok, no more replying.

Owen Macri

Hey Owen, no backing away from it matey!! Get replying to my post above :)

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 07:44 PM
(I am probably going to regret this...)

No, the Big Red Button will activate the Stargate, however, as far as we know there is no way to deactivate the Stargate, other than manually disconecting the power supply, the gate doesn't have an on/off switch.

Sorry guys.

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
August 23rd, 2005, 08:15 PM
As far as we know the only way to disengage "our" stargate is to disconnect the power supply, BUT we don't have a DHD. We don't know that you can't disengage a stargate with the BRB............

And a comment from Weir in Season 2 of Atlantis might add weight to being able to disengage a wormhole from the originating gate.........


Weir: Shut it down! (in reference to the gate)
McKay: I can't. The jumper's in control!

And I personally don't believe a puddle jumper powers the gate by itself......it just acts as the "dialling" part of the DHD but the power for the gate is taken from the "local" DHD......

So it seems that the gate in Atlantis can be disengaged, so maybe ours can too.....if you have a DHD of course......

donnie_darko
August 23rd, 2005, 08:45 PM
They might have a iris but because they only put it up when they have an unknown gate actavation we have not seen it (because no one knows it but Earth), also having the DHD-Computer linked up keeps us safe from a DHD virus and might keep other DHDs from updating their gate cords with the Alpha site location.

_Owen_
August 24th, 2005, 10:16 PM
I believe that you would have to open up the DHD and physically pull out the power source, and even then the gate may still be left with a small residual charge.

Owen Macri