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captain keys
August 13th, 2005, 03:34 AM
ok we have an iris and we no it works but how?how do the big peaces of metal that makes up the iris go into the gate ???? :S

Crazy Dino
August 13th, 2005, 03:38 AM
theres a space in the gate in the middle going all the way round they must slot it in there. Or its a plot hole.

captain keys
August 13th, 2005, 03:47 AM
but the peaces are thicker than the gate??!!

immhotep
August 13th, 2005, 04:54 AM
no they arnt, the 26 iris plates slid in between the inner and outer track of the gate 0.03micrometers from the event horizon.

captain keys
August 13th, 2005, 05:07 AM
ok always good to be percise....lol

Ryuu
August 13th, 2005, 04:24 PM
no they arnt, the 26 iris plates slid in between the inner and outer track of the gate 0.03micrometers from the event horizon.

I thought it was 50 micrometers.

aAnubiSs
August 13th, 2005, 04:53 PM
It's 3 µm tbh :)

Ryuu
August 13th, 2005, 05:17 PM
It's 3 µm tbh :)

Oh, you're right. I should slap the one who has spread the 50 microns myth among us. We have that even on our web pages :o)

6thMonolith
August 13th, 2005, 05:22 PM
ok we have an iris and we no it works but how?how do the big peaces of metal that makes up the iris go into the gate ???? :S

The iris doesn't go into the gate, it rests a little ways in front of it, and prevents matter from rematerializing properly. We don't really know what happens to the matter, except that it 'splats' against the iris.

captain keys
August 13th, 2005, 05:26 PM
it doesnt allow matter to reintergrate :D

6thMonolith
August 13th, 2005, 05:29 PM
Then what makes the thud?

I think that the matter does rematerialize, but as soon as it does, it bounces off the iris and back into the event horizon, and is destroyed.

captain keys
August 13th, 2005, 05:42 PM
the thud is th matter trying to reintergrate :D

Xanderic
August 13th, 2005, 05:48 PM
I like the atlantis one better :p

section31
August 13th, 2005, 05:51 PM
A better question is, how come the bad guys don't have their own iris? Why don't they mass produce them? Surly if earth has an Iris then any other civilization should have one too.

captain keys
August 13th, 2005, 05:56 PM
yeah it makes a za sound

Xanderic
August 13th, 2005, 06:02 PM
they don't know how to create them and also we have a computer to operate it not a DHD... and the other stargates are usually out in the open WITH a DHD

section31
August 13th, 2005, 06:10 PM
no. no, I mean people on Jonas' planet has the technology to build an iris....i think, their technology is around circa 1945 it's possible, if they decect gate activity, push a button and close the iris.

There are other civilizations that are as advance as humans, others even better, they could easily build an iris. Also, we know the goulds have forcefiled technology, why not make a forcefield around the stargate, like atlantis?

6thMonolith
August 13th, 2005, 06:15 PM
You could always tilt the 'gate up, so the people just fall back in.

captain keys
August 13th, 2005, 06:17 PM
they do in baals teritory when riak was captured and daniel remembers it that gate had a sheild

section31
August 13th, 2005, 06:30 PM
well if Baal has forcefields, why don't the other goulds?

Chev Ron
August 13th, 2005, 06:39 PM
Apophis also indicated that he had some sort of Iris. When Sokar is burning through the Iris with his particle accelerator (actually it's a wonder none of the other Gau'uld ever tried this again), Apophis says he used the same method against him.

captain keys
August 14th, 2005, 04:07 AM
its b/c sokar tried to do it and failed so the other system lords probly didnt try it cause they new we could stop it :D

Salas1
August 15th, 2005, 06:52 AM
You could always tilt the 'gate up, so the people just fall back in.


Lol there really isn't anyway round that, noone would ever get through.

Tezzador
August 15th, 2005, 08:02 AM
Hey hi, I'm new here but I'm very curious to ask something about the iris. Why doesn't the stargate's "wooosh" when the whirlpool is formed destroy the iris? I thought the "wooosh" was supposed to destroy anything in it's path?

nimitz
August 15th, 2005, 01:14 PM
The woosh has to have a few microns to reintergrate and the iris is to close for the wosh.

captain keys
August 15th, 2005, 02:11 PM
its b/c the iris holds it in u can here the "whoose" hit the iris

_Owen_
August 15th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Revolutionary space spaving technology, what would normally take up hundreds of miles can now take up NO room at all! Only $999.99, now in pink!

lol.

Owen Macri

captain keys
August 16th, 2005, 10:45 PM
oooooooooo aaaaaaaaaaaaw i want one

Capn_Canada
August 17th, 2005, 09:02 PM
Okay, let's consider how smart a device the Iris really is. Let's say your an SG team on an away mission to p3x-whatever. All the sudden, you get caught in a fire-fight. You are vasley out numbered so you have to get out fast, you dial up the gate in ahurry, but because of the fact that your under heave fire, you forget to send your signal from your GDO and you and your team go through the gate only to die. There;s gotta be a better way to do that.

captain keys
August 17th, 2005, 09:38 PM
well the sheild that coverd the star gate in the ep "ORPHEUS" u had to send a sertant singnal and the sheild automaticly shut down +i dont think an sg team would forget about the gdo

Capn_Canada
August 17th, 2005, 09:43 PM
true, but what if some advanced race of aliens were comming through with wonderful technologies but since they dies teh aliens decided we were bad and came and attacked us?

Gargen
August 17th, 2005, 09:45 PM
I thought it was 50 micrometers.

yea that would allow matter to reintergrate possible enough to take out the iris

captain keys
August 17th, 2005, 10:39 PM
im shure daniel would convince them that it was an axident

_Owen_
August 24th, 2005, 11:24 PM
They could switch from an iris to a forcefield and have it only allow through the team and it could use their DNA to identify them.

Owen Macri

mightydefiant
August 25th, 2005, 12:26 AM
If it only allows the team members though, then what if they were brining someone with them, like alantis rising when they took the poeple of the planet that was just attacked by the wraiths.

captain keys
August 27th, 2005, 06:35 PM
it will have a seting to let other ppl in

_Owen_
August 27th, 2005, 07:46 PM
Yes, obviously in that situation they would type in a code and deactivate the shield entirley.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
August 27th, 2005, 08:39 PM
They could switch from an iris to a forcefield and have it only allow through the team and it could use their DNA to identify them.

Owen Macri

But wouldn't that strip away all other matter that didn't contain Team DNA, like weapons and clothes?

_Owen_
August 27th, 2005, 09:17 PM
Well, if you only allowed through the DNA. However, you would only be identiying the person by their DNA. Obviously this would alsobe smart enough to know approximatley how much DNA, was in the person, so a Goa'uld could simply rip out a chunk of skin, and try to walk back through, and either way, that would only allow through the DNA of the eye, so the Goa'uld, or anyenemy for that matter, could not take your DNA and walk back through.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
August 27th, 2005, 09:37 PM
So you'd be scanning for DNA in the few seconds while the matter is in inside of the wormhole in the form of energy?

_Owen_
August 27th, 2005, 09:57 PM
No the Stargate has to read the information being sent that is used to rematerialize information, which will include the DNA, or the matter which is requesting rematerialization. As for the time, it is not a factor, with the Ancients technology a split second scan would not be a problem. But this is not the way I am proposing it would work anyways.

The scan taken of the body, would be programmed into the shield software, so the shield would automatically allow that person through. The shield could be placed far enough away from the event horizon to allow the rematerialization and split second scanning of the matter. The computing power required to decided whether or not to allow rematerialization of the matter would not be a problem either with the Ancients' level of technology.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
August 27th, 2005, 10:20 PM
No the Stargate has to read the information being sent that is used to rematerialize information, which will include the DNA, or the matter which is requesting rematerialization. As for the time, it is not a factor, with the Ancients technology a split second scan would not be a problem. But this is not the way I am proposing it would work anyways.

The scan taken of the body, would be programmed into the shield software, so the shield would automatically allow that person through. The shield could be placed far enough away from the event horizon to allow the rematerialization and split second scanning of the matter. The computing power required to decided whether or not to allow rematerialization of the matter would not be a problem either with the Ancients' level of technology.

Owen Macri

Then again, it'd probably have to be human-made to incorporate everything we want to put in it.

_Owen_
August 27th, 2005, 10:27 PM
Sorry, what would have to be human technology, and what would be want to put in it? I am not sure we are on the same wavelength.

Owen Macri

vonbismarck
August 28th, 2005, 03:40 PM
Well, if you only allowed through the DNA. However, you would only be identiying the person by their DNA. Obviously this would alsobe smart enough to know approximatley how much DNA, was in the person, so a Goa'uld could simply rip out a chunk of skin, and try to walk back through, and either way, that would only allow through the DNA of the eye, so the Goa'uld, or anyenemy for that matter, could not take your DNA and walk back through.

Owen Macri
Wouldn't the computer still detect the host and symboite dna also thereby only allowing the piece of skin through but not the person holding it? Also, do can one tell the difference between Tok'ra and Goa'uld through their dna since if it could detect them and then not let them through, Major Carter would not have made it through when she had Jolinar in her.



it will have a seting to let other ppl in

Wouldn't that only work if they had time to send a pre-coded message? If not, there would be no way to tell friend from foe coming back with/after the team.

MCL
August 28th, 2005, 09:00 PM
Well if the SGC wants to upgrade it's iris, a few things should be identified first.

1. high tech races like Nox, Tollan tech level, are probably going to be able to walk right through anything we implement, so be resigned to the fact that an iris/sheild will not be 100 percent effective.

2. it's nice to be able to see/analyse what what your going to squish before you actually do so, so maybe we want a shield that extends about two meters infront of the gate in a tubular type room. That way you can look at them and then just dial the gate and let the wave take them, if you really don't like them. The shield tech that prometheus and deadelus use should be quite suitable.

3. if you can see them and think it might be worth asking a few questions, just overload the shield in a manner that causes a charge to be transmitted to the occupants which acts like a heavy duty zat or tranqaliser. If you are afraid that the aliens in there might resist that then set the overload to emit a EMP like field blast into the shield area which should hopefuly fry all their exotic guns that might of been able to fire through the shield.

4. Maybe the earth gate should be re located to the moon so that if something really nasty comes through that we can't handle then there is a bit of a buffer before it starts walking around downtown somewhere in america. You set up an asgard transporter on earth that transports SG-1 personal to and from the base. The rest of the earth nations might be happier about a more international feel to the SGC if it was on the moon.

Yeah I'm getting carried away.

MCL

TechnoWraith
August 28th, 2005, 09:28 PM
Well if the SGC wants to upgrade it's iris, a few things should be identified first.

1. high tech races like Nox, Tollan tech level, are probably going to be able to walk right through anything we implement, so be resigned to the fact that an iris/sheild will not be 100 percent effective.

Probably True. Those Tollan phase shift devices that let Tollans walk through walls is one possible way around the Iris.



2. it's nice to be able to see/analyse what what your going to squish before you actually do so, so maybe we want a shield that extends about two meters infront of the gate in a tubular type room. That way you can look at them and then just dial the gate and let the wave take them, if you really don't like them. The shield tech that prometheus and deadelus use should be quite suitable.

Unless a valid IDC is sent through the gate, the Iris won't open. So technically, there's really no need to see what's getting squished. On another note, it would be nearly impossible anyway. The Iris won't even let stuff re-integrate. So to see what's getting squished, you have to let it re-integrate, which would require putting another physical barrier farther down the ramp. Which may or may not work out too well given the layout of the Gate ramp and Gate Room.



3. if you can see them and think it might be worth asking a few questions, just overload the shield in a manner that causes a charge to be transmitted to the occupants which acts like a heavy duty zat or tranqaliser. If you are afraid that the aliens in there might resist that then set the overload to emit a EMP like field blast into the shield area which should hopefuly fry all their exotic guns that might of been able to fire through the shield.

Ya got me on this one. ;)



4. Maybe the earth gate should be re located to the moon so that if something really nasty comes through that we can't handle then there is a bit of a buffer before it starts walking around downtown somewhere in america. You set up an asgard transporter on earth that transports SG-1 personal to and from the base. The rest of the earth nations might be happier about a more international feel to the SGC if it was on the moon.


May not be best idea. Simply because of the logistics of maintaining the base and containment systems on the moon. It's still possible for something to escape (though remote). If something does escape, what's to stop it from getting to earth? However, getting to earth will be a lot harder, so maybe this idea would actually work. There are obvious pros and cons to this idea, not all of which i know now, (but others might).

:)

vonbismarck
August 28th, 2005, 09:38 PM
4. Maybe the earth gate should be re located to the moon so that if something really nasty comes through that we can't handle then there is a bit of a buffer before it starts walking around downtown somewhere in america. You set up an asgard transporter on earth that transports SG-1 personal to and from the base. The rest of the earth nations might be happier about a more international feel to the SGC if it was on the moon.

MCL

Although we could probably get shields from some ally, wouldn't having it on the moon make it vulnerable to aerial attacks from enemies? Or would it be buried into the moon's surface?

MCL
August 29th, 2005, 12:36 AM
Although we could probably get shields from some ally, wouldn't having it on the moon make it vulnerable to aerial attacks from enemies? Or would it be buried into the moon's surface?

We could dig/tunnel/beam a Stargate complex deep into the moon, but would probably rely mostly on protection from earth based Prometheus fleet, just like earth does. I don't know if the protected planets treaty would cover a base on the moon, but i don't think the treaty is that important anymore. It would make the SGC a heck of alot easier to quarrantine in emergencies that occur from through the gate. If the beaming technology is only on earth, then intruders need to bring their own propulsion system through the gate with them for the brief space trip to earth. This scenario would stop a Prior from getting onto our only well populated home planet, unless he/she arrived in their own ship.

vonbismarck
August 29th, 2005, 01:02 AM
So would we be getting rid of the SGC at Cheyenne mountain or would be building another facility on the moon? I don't think they would be able to afford that, what with the budget cut to 30%. I would also think there would be some logistic problems involved (although probably just teething pains that could be worked out over time).

MCL
August 29th, 2005, 01:24 AM
So would we be getting rid of the SGC at Cheyenne mountain or would be building another facility on the moon? I don't think they would be able to afford that, what with the budget cut to 30%. I would also think there would be some logistic problems involved (although probably just teething pains that could be worked out over time).

I would say build an asgard beam facility into Cheyenne mountain, you could use it to beam stuff all over the world, allthough some contries might get a little ticked off if they found out America was beaming ore and precious materials right out of the ground under them.

I had forgotten about the budget cut issues, my wishful thinking kicks in when it comes to these types of upgrades.

Then again maybe if America tells eveyone that it has a low labour environmentally friendly way of removing select materials like steel, oil and gold from the ground, the budget cuts might go away.

captain keys
August 29th, 2005, 06:46 PM
if we were gonna upgrade to a iris/shield then we would have to get ride of those sweet gdo's

6thMonolith
August 29th, 2005, 10:00 PM
if we were gonna upgrade to a iris/shield then we would have to get ride of those sweet gdo's

Not necessarily. They do make cool Key chains :p

YodaMate
August 30th, 2005, 12:26 AM
In answer to the query about the lack of iris/shields in the Milky Way, it appears as if the heavy gate traffic all over the place within the Goa'uld domain makes such a system more of an inconvenience to the Goa'uld than a benefit.

The Tau'ri guerrilla threat only really hit high levels of concern for the Goa'uld a few years into the program. And by then, the System Lords would have been too nervous to set up an Earth-like system because they would have to trust the Jaffa or a minor Goa'uld to actually open the shield when they wanted to come through (which would also have been a concern prior to the years of the Stargate program).

That said, i'm sure some of their most important and/or restricted planets had shields that needed a remote deactivation. For example, the above-mentioned POW mining camp in Orpheus and Anubis' supersoldier facility in Evolution.

I'm not convinced that the Tollan trick would penetrate the Atlantis shield. My personal theory is that the Tollans incorporated their phase-shift knowledge into their ion cannons, so that the shots would actually exist in another phase (one where a target's shields did not exist) as they used to have no problem with enemy sheilding. But Anubis incorporated Ancient knowledge into his shields so not only were they more powerful, but they extended into other phases/frequencies. The Tollans couldn't penetrate such shielding (not with a single shot anyway). Thus, it would be reasonable to assume that the Atlantis shield, designed at the height of Ancient knowledge, would also extend into other phases/frequencies.

HAL
August 31st, 2005, 10:27 AM
The gate iris is alien tech gained from the first encounter with the jaffa on abbydos


I believe it works by using matter compression but im not sure

Three PhDs
August 31st, 2005, 10:53 AM
The gate iris is alien tech gained from the first encounter with the jaffa on abbydosNo, it's not.


I believe it works by using matter compression but im not sureMatter compression? You mean squeezing something? :p :rolleyes:

HAL
August 31st, 2005, 01:48 PM
yes it is :D canon it is :P

Three PhDs
August 31st, 2005, 01:52 PM
yes it is :D cannon it is :PI don't recall seeing an iris on Abydos at any point. Also, cannons are weapons. You mean canon.

HAL
August 31st, 2005, 01:58 PM
i said they got the tech not the iris itself :P


the jaffa head sets that came from no where to protect them

well came from the other part of the armor


remember?

Three PhDs
August 31st, 2005, 02:14 PM
i said they got the tech not the iris itself :P


the jaffa head sets that came from no where to protect them

well came from the other part of the armor


remember?Don't see the connection, nor anything in canon that says there should be.

HAL
August 31st, 2005, 02:25 PM
when im not busy ill find you a link :P

or some other dude can explain it better:D

captain keys
August 31st, 2005, 04:21 PM
he means that the horus gaurd helmat how it came together like the iris but i dont no what he means by cannon???

6thMonolith
August 31st, 2005, 04:32 PM
Canon:
http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/faq.shtml#2

What HAL is saying: We have the technology to make the iris appear from practically nowhere, and the Goa'uld have the tech to make the Horus helmets appear from practically nowhere. So if the Goa'uld were smart enough, they could put a horus guard helmet over the 'gate. :D

HAL
September 1st, 2005, 02:25 AM
:P


No im saying we got the tech from the horus helmet and changed it to suit our needs :P IE the iris and i meant canon ill go edit my post

Three PhDs
September 1st, 2005, 04:02 AM
Don't see any reason why we'd need to. Cameras have have an iris in their lens for donkey's years.

captain keys
September 1st, 2005, 01:19 PM
say what donkey years?????? and we didnt get the idea from the horus helm but thats a good idea

Three PhDs
September 1st, 2005, 02:18 PM
say what donkey years??????Cameras have had an iris in their lens.

captain keys
September 2nd, 2005, 03:12 PM
that didnt anser anything WHAT DOES DONKEY YEARS MEAN?????????

captain keys
September 2nd, 2005, 03:14 PM
ooooooooh nvr mind i get hehehehe just say along time

captain keys
September 2nd, 2005, 03:16 PM
and camras dont have irises they have shutters an iris is a thing of many peacies and a shutter is made of just one

Three PhDs
September 2nd, 2005, 04:49 PM
and camras dont have irises they have shutters an iris is a thing of many peacies and a shutter is made of just oneI'd normally make a mockery of you, but your post is so utterly and stupidly wrong I don't feel a need to. If you have an SLR in your family, go pick it up and look into the lens while you open and close the aperture. :rolleyes:

captain keys
September 2nd, 2005, 05:08 PM
ok nthe lens has a shutter for taking the picture and theres an iris thing for light settings wich both used at the same time u have a good picture


p.s is that what u do find some one and make fun of them

Three PhDs
September 3rd, 2005, 04:38 AM
p.s is that what u do find some one and make fun of themOnly when that person tries to be smart, but actually isn't. If people only spoke about what they knew with authority and admitted when they didn't know something instead of just making it up, I'd be fine.

_Owen_
September 4th, 2005, 09:53 AM
Wouldn't the computer still detect the host and symboite dna also thereby only allowing the piece of skin through but not the person holding it? Also, do can one tell the difference between Tok'ra and Goa'uld through their dna since if it could detect them and then not let them through, Major Carter would not have made it through when she had Jolinar in her.

If a Goa'uld tried to come through with a piece of skin, the iris would stop the Goa'uld and allow the piece of skin, if a person with a Goa'uld inside them tried to come through, it would be messy, the iris would allow through the person, but stop the symbiote, which would basically cut off half of the person. However, if the iris instead, was like a screen, and allowed through recognized matter and desintegrated unrecognized matter, then the symbiote could be desintegrated inside the person allowing the person to come through.

Owen Macri

captain keys
September 8th, 2005, 11:07 AM
that makes alot of cents owen

Tezzador
September 9th, 2005, 12:46 AM
That would leave a cavity around the guy's neck... :P Ouch!

Ollock
September 9th, 2005, 04:06 PM
Well, if you only allowed through the DNA. However, you would only be identiying the person by their DNA. Obviously this would alsobe smart enough to know approximatley how much DNA, was in the person, so a Goa'uld could simply rip out a chunk of skin, and try to walk back through, and either way, that would only allow through the DNA of the eye, so the Goa'uld, or anyenemy for that matter, could not take your DNA and walk back through.

Owen Macri

/nitpick belated
Sorry, there is no such thing as 'DNA of the eye'. Every cell in your body has an identical copy of all 46 chromosomes (or whatever the number for the nonhumans.)
/end nitpick

sparky
September 9th, 2005, 08:52 PM
If you wanted to stop a goa'uld coming through the stargate, perhaps it would be more feasible to use something like Thor's Hammer? I don't mean to knock the idea of selective re-materialization (it's quite cool) but would probably be more simpler to remove something bad after it comes through.... you know like radiation therapy or something that primarily targets cancers, except in this case it barbeques goa'uld.

Also, a problem may be that you accidentally kill a tok'ra (or a jaffa symbiote) that comes through the gate. The thing is if you could make an exception for tokra the goa'uld could probably replicate it etc.

Another counter-measure to preventing the materialization of a goa'uld could be genetically engineering every cell in a goa'uld to have some human DNA inside say a non-functional nucleus that would trick the detector screening for goa'uld into thinking the goa'uld was human... well sortof... :p.