Intergalactic Communications

[harcohen]

We now know how the Ancients and Ori did it. Can the Asgard communicate across galaxies faster than their ships can fly? They were out of touch for awhile there, so I think not. And if they could, wouldn't they have brought a couple along on Daedalus, one for Atlantis?

It seems a curious omission on one level or another.

[Qasim]

I dont think the asgard can :)

[MarshAngel]

I don't think the Asgard can. A component of the Ancient communication device was mental and so far we haven't seen any other type of communication devices with that kind of range nor have we seen the Asgard use mental componenets with their technology so I think it's safe to say they don't, otherwise they would likely have used them already.

[_Owen_]

I am sorry, to be a pain in the rear end, by if you start a thread that has to do with something of season nine of SG-1 or season two of Atlantis, would you mind just adding a little note in the thread title, because a lot of people haven't seen the seasons. I know there aren't any spoilers in this thread yet, but still, just to be on the safe side.

Well, now on the topic of the thread. I have no idea what you are talking about because I have not seen the episodes yet. But I think the Asgard can communicate faster than their ships can travel, the Tollan had the technology and knowledge to build a Stargate, so logically the Asgard should too. So then the Asgard could send there signals through a wormhole or subspace, and it would likley be faster than their ships can travel, I believe we have observed, Faster Than Light communication by the Asgard before, I just can't think specifically of any situations.

Owen Macri

[Qasim]

When you see the ep you will see what he means - its not to do with a wormhole or someother portal but it could be to do with subspace

[_Owen_]

AWWW, I can't wait now!

lol.

Owen Macri

[gallywag]

the azgard used faster than light comunications in the episode unnatural selection oneill was talking to hammon when thors ship was in hyperspace traveling to ida

[lethalfang]

We now know how the Ancients and Ori did it. Can the Asgard communicate across galaxies faster than their ships can fly? They were out of touch for awhile there, so I think not. And if they could, wouldn't they have brought a couple along on Daedalus, one for Atlantis?

It seems a curious omission on one level or another.

They were out of touch for a while, because as Thor has explained, the black hole they were building to trap the replicators was interfering with his long-range communication.

The so-called "mental" is not fundamentally different. It's the information that needs to be transferred, one way or another. If you can do it "mentally," you sure can do it "non-mentally." Doing it mentally is so much more difficult than a two-way radio.

[JanusAncient]

I don't know if this is faster than light communication, but in the episode "Red Sky" O'Neill was talking to the Asgard High Council in a matter of seconds, after stepping onto the communication terminal, also in the episode "Fair Game" Thor appeared to use a mental component, when he beamed back aboard his ship, after giving Hammond, and Sg-1, information about the Goa'uld, I didn't see him press any buttons, or use a crystal, but I suppose he could have set a timer for the beaming technology.

[MarshAngel]

The so-called "mental" is not fundamentally different. It's the information that needs to be transferred, one way or another. If you can do it "mentally," you sure can do it "non-mentally." Doing it mentally is so much more difficult than a two-way radio.

That would be true if we knew anything at all about the way ancient technology really works or the way they understood the universe or the human mind. It's not outside the realm of possibilty that the human mind has a greater ability to stretch across the vastness of space and connect to another mind than technology alone can accomplish and it certainly adds greater dimension to the communication, being able to see through someone else's eyes.
We already know that the Wraith have mental connections that can be felt across space. If you could enhance and extend that ability and make a specific connection, then the basis of that tech would be the mind's ability with the technology filling in the blanks so in that way, it's far more efficient and complete if not easier than a mere two way radio.

[_Owen_]

Yes, allthough I still don't know what happend, gallywag has a point. The Asgard have used RFTL communication before. (RFTL stands for Relativley Faster Than Light, seeing as nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but there are ways around this, however you are only traveling faster than light, relative to our universe.)

Owen Macri

[Lord §okar]

It's fully faster than light. You're either faster than light or you're not, there's no relatively about it. Regardless of what speed you're going light is always 1c faster.

[Three PhDs]

however you are only traveling faster than light, relative to our universe.)

Owen MacriRelative to our universe? So where are they? Outside the universe? You mean relative to a fixed point in spacetime outwith the distorted region of spacetime created by either a fictional star trek warp drive or a wormhole. Be careful you don't confuse the two. You should read Einstein's full theory of relativity. You can get copies of it for a few quid.

[_Owen_]

No, seeing as subspace and hyperspace are (in my theory) smaller than normall space yet stretched to fit, what I would call, a "universal template" the ships that eneter hyper space can travel at sublight speeds, yet where they crossing the same distance in the same amount of time in normal space they would need to travel faster than light.

Owen Macri

[captain keys]

the jumpers have subspace coms and the asgard got into the acients knowlegde "head graber thingie" so they should have it to

[Lord §okar]

No, seeing as subspace and hyperspace are (in my theory) smaller than normall space yet stretched to fit, what I would call, a "universal template" the ships that eneter hyper space can travel at sublight speeds, yet where they crossing the same distance in the same amount of time in normal space they would need to travel faster than light.

Owen Macri
A theory implies a model designed specifically to fit a set of preobserved phenomena and can be used to predict subsequent phenomena, this requires a mathematical framework. Yours can do neither, it is not a theory, it is speculation or musing. In this context, a serious debate, phrasing this as un-harshly as possible, it is not worth discussing. Please stop mentioning your theories.

[Jarnin]

No, seeing as subspace and hyperspace are (in my theory) smaller than normall space yet stretched to fit, what I would call, a "universal template" the ships that eneter hyper space can travel at sublight speeds, yet where they crossing the same distance in the same amount of time in normal space they would need to travel faster than light.
Owen, you really need to learn the definition of the word "theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory)" in a scientific context.

Ah, here's a great definition!
A theory implies a model designed specifically to fit a set of preobserved phenomena and can be used to predict subsequent phenomena, this requires a mathematical framework.
Hyperspace and subspace are pure fantasy at this point, with no observational evidence. Your explanation how hyperspace and subspace work is pure technobabble.

I know you're going to say "but this is Stargate" and my reply is this: Stargate is fiction! If you want to talk technobabble, then take it to the fanfic section of the boards. If you want to try and figure out how Stargate technology can (or cannot) work in the real world, this is the right spot.

[Three PhDs]

No, seeing as subspace and hyperspace are (in my theory) smaller than normall space yet stretched to fit, what I would call, a "universal template" the ships that eneter hyper space can travel at sublight speeds, yet where they crossing the same distance in the same amount of time in normal space they would need to travel faster than light.

Owen MacriDefine smaller in the context of comparing space and hyperspace.

[_Owen_]

Very well, "in my idea."

RE: Three PhDs: Smaller, smaller, the opposite of bigger. If a section of space is three hundred lightyears across, the same section in one layer of hyperspace may be only three lightyears across.

Owen Macri