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aironoeus
August 7th, 2005, 05:54 AM
This thread is being started by me to continue the thread which I started in the general discussion area. I decided to continue it over here because I did not expect the large amount of "short attention span threads" that started being made soon after mine. In my view it is basically a way of using the forum as a chatroom and will result in it being archived due to too much memory requirement which is what happened at SCI-FI's SG1 forum. I value a BBoard more than a chatroom because I know that the text on a chatroom will just be deleted.
I am starting out with #38, picking up where I left off in the thread in the general discussion area with the same title.
The posts that I make on this thread, for the most part, will have lots of details. So if you don't want to pay attention and follow along for more than 10 seconds then maybe my posts are not for you. If you have any questions or comments PLEASE DO NOT REPASTE MY ENTIRE POST IN YOUR REPLY BECAUSE MY POSTS ARE LARGE MOST OF THE TIME AND YOU'LL CONFUSE PEOPLE AS TO WHAT NUMBER I'M ON ALONG WITH EATING UP A LOT OF MEMORY FOR NOTHING WHEN IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE COMMENTING ON THE POST THAT I JUST MADE.
There is nothing wrong with referring to the number of the post. For example, "regarding #32, I think blah blah blah blah."

aironoeus
August 7th, 2005, 06:00 AM
Item #38 part 1
The Real world Science items:
1) Establishing life on a habitable but lifeless planet (ecogenesis).
2) Extinct/endangered/threatened species here on earth.
3) DNA Altered Earth plants and animals.

We are at the beginning of DNA alteration of plants and animals and animal cloning of formerly extinct species.

How it could be used on SG1
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Not every strategically important off-world planet will have life on it. However it has been demonstrated so far on the SG1 show that all worlds are, or at one time were habitable (unless I missed an episode).


AN INEVITABLE CONSEQUENCE OF HAVING SOLDIERS OFF-WORLD ON A LIFELESS PLANET
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All soldiers take leave. Not all soldiers will take their leave at the same time because it wouldn't work. Once an off-world outpost has reached a certain size it becomes expensive to have all of them use the stargate to take their leave back on earth. Soldiers who take their leave generally want to get away from the military life while they are on their leave. A common thing would be going fishing, hunting, camping, etc..

Therefore, it becomes financially and psychologically justified to establish animal and plant life on that planet. Furthermore, it is very likely that after a while the military would become overwhelmed with the continous requests of personell off-world for trees and fish and other wildlife. Most likely a portion of the requests would have done their homework on endangered/extinct/threatened earth wildlife and asked that they be brought over so as to put MORAL PRESSURE ON THEIR SENIORS TO GET THEIR REQUESTS APPROVED.
Also to be blunt the soldiers are going to want to eat something other than military food and would enjoy hunting crab, deer, bison, etc..

Not only would this pressure the american government side but the other earth countries involved with the stargate too. So, now the american government is going to have to stick out its chest and competitively take the moral high ground and establish an official post (the other definition of post - job) to establish endangered/threatened/extinct/life on these lifeless planets.

THE LIFE ESTABLSHMENT OFFICER
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The life establishment officer would be a military scientist with the duty to establish a biosphere on a lifeless planet which biologically and psychologically supports and preserves the presence of humans with the secondary duty to bring back to life those earth species that have or would have otherwise likely perished. So obviously, that means that bringing back predators that could potentially hunt or cause problems for humans is out of the question. The rule of thumb would be something like the ratio of threatened/endangered/extinct species to non-threatened/endangered/extinct species is to be 85% to 15% excluding microscopic and extremely small parasitic life, with leeway given to the L.E.O. to use his own discretion.

Obviously the L.E.O. would have a number of people under him such as vetenarians, biologists, geologists, geneticists, with secondary backgrounds in physics. Collaboration bewteen the officers of each planet would have to be done via email transmitted through the gate with the regular military tranports that occur which is to be relayed by earth to the other off-world outposts.

A SCIENTIST'S MOTIVATION
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Habitable planets (having a sufficient pressure of nitrogen buffer gas, good temperature, sufficient gravity, a magnetosphere, and more than 15% oxygen) without a biosphere already established could offer a unique opportunity for Earth scientists on the show.

Seeking to establish a biosphere on another world with only our limited knowledge of biology that uses earth as the model can be an ongoing effort which the SG1 unit can occasionally become involved in when things get rough. It seems most likely to me that given that opportunity and having more than one planet to do this with, scientists would naturally want to slightly vary the colors, sizes, appearances, and evolutionary versions of certain key animals and plants so that each planet would have its own unique set of lower lifeforms. Another way to look at it is selectively adding only the species you want. Also it could be used as a way to make amends for mankind by bringing back species that man was responsible for killing off. I suppose that at some point a slightly more advanced fictional race or single being can try to sit in judgement of mankind for this and since we would be actively making amends all would be made well.


NOTHING CAN OCCUR UNTIL NITROGEN IS "FIXED"
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Before any animal life can occur, plants have to be established.
Before plants can be established, nitrogen has to be "fixed" and put into, and on to the soil. Fixed means that it has to be turned into ammonia, nitrite, or nitrate so that the plants can absorb it into themselves and use it.

THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS
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There are 2 exceptions. The first is Leguminous plants such as peas, beans, and clover which have the direct N2 fixing bacteria attached to them. The nitrogen fixing bacteria (Rhizobium) invade the roots of the plants and become spcialized cells that establish a symbiotic relationship with the leguminous plant. The bacteria switch over to fixing nitrogen from the air by changing and thickening the structure of their cell walls to keep out oxygen and let nitrogen through. They then fix the nitrogen and provide it to the plants roots. In turn the plant supplies the bacteria with carbohydrates or another words the plant takes the carbon fixing job. The whole process looks like the plant has caught a disease in its roots because they get inflamed and form these little ugly lumps.

So, leguminous plants are a quick "cheat." That is, they can convert both the carbon dioxide and nitrogen gases in the atmosphere into an organic form. This eventually decays, once it is dead, it remains in the soil providng nutrients to the next generation.
This is a good way to try and get a head start on the whole process. The LEO can just go around planting these all over the place next to rivers and most lands.

The second way of sustainably fixing the nitrogen out of the air is by Cyanobacteria. They do the same thing as the Rhizobium in the roots of the leguminous plants, except that this happens in the cyanobacteria itself. The first of the two of these is Nostoc punctiforme. It looks like a pearl necklace and grows like a plant taking CO2 out of the air except when it becomes ammonia deprived (remember ammonia comes from dead bacteria and plants in the soil). Then some of the "pearls" become heterocysts which take the N2 out of the air and turn it into ammonia and supply the rest of the "pearls" with it.
So they can live freely without being symbiotic with a plant. You can see pictures of them at http://www.csun.edu/~mls42367/Summers_papers/Meeks%20review.pdf

The same thing goes for Anabaena sperica. You can see a picture of it and one of its cells that has turned into a heterocyst at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterocyst

USING THE SEWAGE FROM MILITARY PERSONELL
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If you establish Leguminous plants with Rhizobium attached, adjacent to human sewage dumps, then most of the plants will have enough ammonia and nitrates already in the soil to convert to proteins and the remainder can survive via their Rhizobium bacteria.
The fruitng parts of these leguminous plants can be picked of their "fruit" and the fruit can be thrown into a large vat and Azotobacter (a bacteriium) can be added and they will directly take the nitrogen out of the air and feed on the fruit carbohydrates as a carbon source. They also convert to ammonia and nitrates upon decay. This is a rapid way of making nitrogen containing biomass which can then be poured onto the ground. The L.E.O. can have a truck with this big vat on it that he drives around while he is pouring water into it and letting it drain out onto the ground to spread the Azotobacter.

Azotobacter directly oxidatively uses the carbohydrates without any fermentation or organic acids and they also have a fast metabolism. This strategy would be a good "one two punch." The other Leguminous plant materials such as the stems, roots, and leaves not needed by the Azotobacter can be spread around so as to disperse their nitrogen containing proteins.

Before the L.E.O. starts trying to grow plants he first has to find out what life has already been established from human sewage and garbage. Human sewage and garbage will be releasing nitrogen containing molecules, into the ground and water. The most obvious example is Urea. Naturally humans will bring along with them certain microorganisms which feed on the sewage. Some of them are...
Escherichia coli
Campylobacter jejuni
Salmonella
Vibrio cholerae
shigellae
And various parasites. The point here is that human sewage already establishes the start of nitrogen fixation by directly converting proteins and other nitrogen containing molecules that are in sewage into smaller things and ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites.

So obviously the first thing the L.E.O. is going to do is to try to spread the human sewage around. That can be done by watering down the area where the seepage pit is and/or periodically replacing the soil above the seepage pit or tank with fresh soil and spreading the used soil around or the seepage pit or tank can be located near a river so that a maximum dispersal of ammonia containing compounds and bacteria can be spread via water current. The water for the outpost could come from dehumidifying air/water concetrators which sterilizes it if there is that need.

CARBON FIXING
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Carbon "fixing" is not really an issue because plants and algae will do that by taking it right out of the air. But then again, THERE HAS TO BE SOME CO2 IN THE AIR TO START OUT WITH OR YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GROW PLANTS INDOORS OR OUTSIDE RIGHT NEXT TO HUMANS. There are also plenty of microorganisms that are able to take carbon that has been bonded to some other element in the ground or in the air as CO2 and directly fix it, which converts it into a biological form.
The main problem is getting enough plant life to live and die fast enough in order to get an adequate amount of organic carbon and nitrogen into the soil to be able to introduce animals.
This leads to the situation where you must have a way of supplying CO2 into the atmosphere. And this leads us to discuss how much CO2 was in the air in the first place. And then this in turn leads us to the discussion of how hot the planet is so let's handle that first.

GREENHOUSE CONDITION OF THE LIFELESS PLANET
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Presumably there will be some small amount of CO2 in the air already pre-existing in some small amount and re-inforced by the fact that humans are there. So that means THAT ANY OFF-WORLD BASE THAT HAS A LOW LEVEL OF CARBON DIOXIDE, AMMONIA, AND METHANE IN THE AIR ALREADY, HAS TO BE A "COLDER THAN EARTH" TEMPERATURE. SO, IF THE PLANET IS DEPICTED AS BEING WARM ALREADY THEN IT IS TOO CLOSE TO THE SUN AND ADDING ANIMALS TO THE PLANET WILL ONLY INCREASE THE CO2 IN THE AIR AND RAISE THE TEMPERATURE TO ABOVE THE HABITABLE POINT UNLESS THERE ARE TOO MANY PLANTS COMPARED TO ANIMALS IN WHICH CASE THE PLANTS WILL START DYING FROM SUFFOCATION. IN OTHER WORDS THERE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
Animals and plants have to be balanced and that would be up to the L.E.O. Temporarily unbalanced sytems are fine. Nature will balance out the plant/animal balance but not human chemically produced CO2.

aironoeus
August 7th, 2005, 06:13 AM
#38 part 2

WARMING UP A COLD LIFELESS PLANET
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The fastest way to do that is by using combustion vehices or apparatus. A good example is the use of small versatile vehicles that burn "water gas" (see post #32 in this thread on the general discussion forum). The "strongest" super greenhouse gases are perflurocarbons also called PFC's for short. Those can be made if needed at though it would require a good deal of energy.

FICTIONALLY CHEATING WITH THE STARGATE
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A quick cheating way to add CO2 to a planet might be to ask the asgard to shut off the normal relative atmospheric pressure differential disabling feature of the stargate so that you can pump greenhouse gases from a planet that has been greenhoused with CO2 by a dead civilization that has a stargate. You can use some large pump and hose.

Another cheating way to establish a topsoil super fast, is to have part of the L.E.O.'s team dial up a designated set of planets that already have life on them. When you are on the other side you "clear cut" a couple miles of forest and grind it up into micron sized powder using that machine called the windhexe (see previous post #8 this thread). Then you dial up the original planet and pump the powder back through to the other side using a vaccumm and hose. This might entail having a small vehicle that can unfurl and then truck around the stargate and also a truck that rides around with that winhexe machine on it. Oh yeah, and a lot of chain saws.
The powder would be dry and wherever you are grinding it up, the air will smell of the starting material.
Once the powder is sent back to the military base planet and bulldozed around, a square mile or so can be made into a meter thick layer of micron sized powder (made of bushes and wood and leaves). Then it can be watered and a bunch of worms can be thrown into it. After a couple weeks you can start planting in it.

Here are examples and some of my ideas of DNA altered species, or extinct/endangered species that could be brought back to life and/or placed on another world so that each planet has its own unique biosphere.


Plants and Trees
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The ******* Quiver Tree:
This tree has entertainment value because it looks so weird. It has a sort of Dr. Seus type of look to it.
Images.....
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Aloe_pillansii/more_still_images.html

It grows in harsh conditions of a semi-desert habitat and provides moisture and perches/nests for birds.
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The Bristlecone pine:
Unusual looking short tree is the oldest living thing in the world. The flowering is very pretty.
images.....
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Pinus_longaeva/more_still_images.html

info....
http://www.sonic.net/bristlecone/intro.html
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The date palm of Judea:
Much praised in the Bible and Koran as the tree of life, recently three seeds were found and one has been germinated!
http://www.curezone.com/blogs/m.asp?f=26&i=91

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Coco-de-mer (Lodoicea maldivica):
This Palm has entertainment value because of its very large nuts. Look at the size of these nuts, the largest in the world!
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Lodoicea_maldivica/more_still_images.html

It also has the longest leaves and the longest male flowers in the world.
Info....
http://www.sif.sc/vdm/coco_vdm.htm
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aironoeus
August 7th, 2005, 06:18 AM
#38 part 3

Pitcher plants:
Everyone is familiar with this one. Entertainment value is in its look and that it eats insects. They of course could be made larger genetically.
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Nepenthes_rajah/
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Sarracenia_oreophila/
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Nepenthes_madagascariensis/
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Nepenthes_pervillei/

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The Draco tree (Canary Islands):
Not to be confused with the very fast growing Dragon Trees this one GROWS EXTREMELY SLOW AND LIVES A VERY LONG TIME but it has entertainment value because WHEN VERY OLD, not competing for sun, and historically unwatered it looks like one of those trees that you would see on the lord of the rings with the very large mushroom like top, like super-sized brocoli. It doesn't have rings like normal trees and the only way to figure out the age is to count the number of splits in the branches because it splits every fifteen years when it flowers. It has an edible fruit and the sap of the tree is dark red and looks like a gem when hardened.

The only way to realisticly plant these offworld FULLY GROWN 600 YRS/+ is to have a civilian private collector donate his fully grown trees. That is unlikely unless you let him come too, with the promise of being able to establish a large landscape of them. Because if you go grab one from one of the cliffs of the Canary Islands or from one of the famous gardens they are probably being watched by environmentalists. You can turn lemons into lemonade and have him be in possesion of a perfectly preserved embryo or piece of the now extinct flightless pigeon of the canary islands embedded in the sap of one of his trees which some theorize was the primary means by which this tree was able to spread its seeds. The preserved DNA specimen for the flightless bird can be used to clone more.

Images...
http://www.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/sydney_gardens_domain/gardens_feature/blooming_calendar/sydney_blooming_template34
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Dracaena_draco/more_still_images.html

Info....
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Dracaena_draco/more_info.html
http://www.answers.com/topic/dracaena-plant

They can been DNA manipulated to be more robust and fast growing by finding the gene that regulates high uptake of nitrogen in the Chinese Dragon trees and turning it on in the Draco.
Chinese dragon Tree ....
http://www.dragontrees.com/dragonpi.html
Coincidentally the dragon tree would be a good fast biomass production method.
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Titan Arum:
This unusual looking thing stinks really bad. I know because I've been around one before.
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Amorphophallus_titanum/more_still_images.html

Info....
http://www.news.wisc.edu/titanarum/facts.html
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Hawaiian silversword plant:
It has visual entertainment value if growing on an otherwise lifeless volcanic plain....

http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Argyroxiphium_sandwicense/GES002658.html?size=large
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Mpingo:
I don't know about you but I've never seen a tree with regular colored bark and black wood inside.
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/plants_and_algae/Dalbergia_melanoxylon/GES005132.html?size=large
It might have visual entertainment value as a construction wood in an offworld building project. It has multiple uses in the real world and is very valuable (timber fetches up to $13,000 per m³)
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Land Invertebrates
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The coconut crab:
It's a very large land hermit crab. Only the young confiscate shells to protect themselves. It breaks open coconuts! They can lift objects with their claws as heavy as 28kg.
images....
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/invertebrates_terrestrial_and_freshwater/Birgus_latro/more_still_images.html
Info....
http://www.coconutcrab.co.uk/
It reminds me of a replicator.
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The giant freshwater crayfish:
Everyone knows what a crayfish is. This one is particularly large. On SG1 they could be DNA altered to grow twice the size so as to make a good family meal. They are omnivorous so they won't concentrate on eating just one thing.
Info...
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/invertebrates_terrestrial_and_freshwater/Astacopsis_gouldi/more_info.html
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Mammals
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The La Plata River dolphin, the tucuxi, the Baiji, the Boto (Inia geoffrensis), and the susu - all freshwater dolphins
info...
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/mammals/Lipotes_vexillifer/more_info.html
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/mammals/Inia_geoffrensis/more_info.html
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/mammals/Platanista_gangetica/more_info.html
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The Fossa:
This is a small predator that is related to the hyena but it looks like a mountain lion!
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/mammals/Cryptoprocta_ferox/more_info.html
http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/2000/fossa.html
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The tazmanian marsupial tiger/wolf - maybe made domesticated. This is a pretty well known extinct animal.
http://www.stormpages.com/shadowwolf/tasmanianwolf.html
It's being cloned.
http://www.austmus.gov.au/archive.cfm?id=788
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The mammoth - you gotta eat. The large size makes for a good meat source for humans and a way to spread dung around.
Cloning a mammoth:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Galaxy/8152/larryagenbroad.html
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Coelacanth - because it has been found recently and is said to be close to vertebrates having live young.
http://www.dinofish.com/
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Greater prairie chicken - you gotta eat right?
http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i3050id.html
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Passenger pigeon - there should still be some DNA left somewhere and I think they look better than our current pigeons.
http://www.wbu.com/chipperwoods/photos/passpigeon.htm

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Pronghorned antelope - you gotta eat.
http://www.nature.ca/notebooks/english/prongant.htm
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Wild yak - food, clothing, fertilizer, blah blah blah.
http://www.animalinfo.org/species/artiperi/bos_mutu.htm
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Heath hen - you gotta eat.... something slightly different.
http://www.bagheera.com/inthewild/ext_heathhen.htm
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The giant Moa - you gotta eat.
How about some bones to extract DNA.
http://www.rsnz.org/publish/jrsnz/2002/009.php
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Sawfish http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/organizations/ssg/sharknews/sn12/shark12news3.htm
On a planet with salt tolerant crops and inland marshes with grazers eating the crops (not the salt storing portions) this species might evolve to trip the grazing animals and then feed on them.
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Tapirs - because they look really weird and it's probably an easy one to transplant offworld.
http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/mammals/Tapirus_bairdii/more_info.html
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Vicugna - unusual grazer, fast even in low oxygen, source of food and clothing.
http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Vicugna_vicugna.html
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Kakapo - The fattest flightless long lived parrot in the world. Unusual traits.
It might make a good pet. If kept as a pet maybe its lack of self preservation skills can slowly be improved by proximity to other pets.
http://www.kakapo.net/en/
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The Kea - Said to be one of the smartest birds in the world but if you study them for any length of time you will come to think that they ARE the smartest in the world even before crows.
http://www.nzbirds.com/Kea.html
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aironoeus
August 7th, 2005, 06:24 AM
#38 part 4

Powelliphanta superba prouseorum - The largest carnivorous land snail about the size of your fist.
http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/mediarelease/2005/0417_extinctionthreatforsnail.asp
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The Giant earthworm http://www.thegreencommunity.org/giant_worms.html
Can be altered to have longer telomeres so as to have a longer life span
Can be altered to only vigorously reproduce later in life. Their eggs sacks can be altered to have an organic cyanide coating or the same can be made to be part of its lubricant secretion so as to lower its predation.
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Salt tolerant crops: http://www.arcadiabio.com/
Potatos, tomatos, corn, etc.. that can tolerate up to 40% the salinity of sea water. Not only are they tolerant but they remove some of the salt restoring the soil. If implanted on a world together with mangroves, an alternative scenerio of evolution could arise where we have some of the sea crabs and snails coming ashore to predatorize small rodents. This can also go to a slightly larger scale where there are cattle (sheeps goat and deer) type grazers and crocodile type predators both hanging out within a couple miles of the sea shore. Where there are small fresh water rivers outflowing to the sea and where there are inland salt marshes. Since the plants would take up a portion of the salt that would leave water with less salt in it which might lead grazers to developing a habit of digging out small little channels towards plants with their hooves in order to gain fresh water. That would lead to interesting evolutionary traits on their feet. The lake/land to ocean salt comparison would be less dramatic and so more cross-migration would occur.
Notice that Arcadia (link above) has also been able to turn on a gene that utilizes more of the nitrogen in the soil for various crops making them much more hearty. That technique alone can lead to very large versions of common earth crops.


Real world References:
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The first Blue rose:
http://www.physorg.com/news3581.html

Intro to RNA interruption:
http://www.csiro.au/index.asp?type=blank&id=CLI_RNAi

Examples of plant/animal RNA inerruption:
http://www.pi.csiro.au/rnai/examples.htm

Soft tissue available in fossils!:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=890&category=Science

can we recreate extinct species? http://www.andrewgray.com/essays/recreate.htm

_Owen_
August 7th, 2005, 08:53 AM
Well, that is some VERY detailed information you've got there, and some VERY long posts. However, they were very interesting, and you deserve some reputation, deffinetly.

Owen Macri

aironoeus
August 8th, 2005, 06:11 AM
#39
The Real world Science items:
Porphyrin nanotubes



Details
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Porphyrins are light-absorbing molecules related to chlorophyll, the active part of photosynthetic proteins and light-harvesting nanostructures (chlorosomal rods). They are the active molecules in many other proteins such as hemoglobin, which gets its intense red color from a porphyrin. There are some researchers right now who are making them into hydrogen producers activated by sunlight. They coat the Porphyrin nanotube with platinum and they put gold inside with some of it sticking out of one end. They then attach tungsta to the gold blob sticking out.



How it could be used on SG1 and Atlantis
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On Atlantis they could find the quarters of an Atlantean who decided on his own as a hobby to develop older obsolete energy technologies (the same way we have people who refurbish old model cars) and adapted them to an emergency back up power system for Atlantis in case of central power failure. It could be a sandollar shaped structure with a light-tube that could be released from its roof which floated to the surface and directed the light down towards the center of the structure where it would enter and strike the flooring of the structure which would be covered with a glass that has nanopatterning making the light bounce around many times after passing through instead of escaping [see previous post #12]. Underneath the glass would be the platinum coated porphyrin nanotubes with gold inside and tungsta (WO3) attached to the gold blob sticking out of it arranged in arrays where they are sticking out of a membrane which separates the 2 ends so that gas separation is not necessary. A control panel located somewhere inside the chamber would let ocean water into the chamber underneath the glass which would pass through nanofilters first. There underneath the glass the porphyrins would separate the hydrogen off and it would bleed upwards towards a central tubular area of the chamber where it would seem to pipe off into 20 separate fuel cell looking devices above that produce electricity. The reason for this is to start out with a lot of energy making it a lot easier to boost it up through "overunity" devices than starting out with only a little energy. Obviously the oxygen can be leaked into the city.

The "overunity" devices can be "radioactively" powered and made to boost the output of the fuel cells by orders of magnitude above normal.
This overunity I am talking about is called the PROTELF.
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/vsg/protelf.htm
You can see here that this french guy has reproduced the phenomenon in the real world using 2% thorium as the gamma ray source.
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/vsg/index.htm

This would be done many times by making the output wires of these fuel cells into multiple tiny wires and each one would be located near to a small gamma ray production source and then physically touching a source of lithium.
The lithium would be the source of the positive beta decay and the first set of wires that this is done on would be utilized by sacrificing one to produce the electric and magnetic field for the process to begin. From there it would become self reinforcing where each wire is radiating outwards an electric and magnetic field which is crossing into the space of the wires that are surrounding it. It would be all pulsed DC.
It would be sort of a large drawn out version of the ZPM where instead of crystals of lithium with embedded superconducting bismuth channels within polymers located near but further down the circuit (on a nano scale) after the Protelf process has occured all in a complicated compact system which requires it be hooked up to a superconducting Ancient circuit. This is more drawn out so as to lengthen the surface areas of the wires coming off of the "fuel cells".
There is no additional complicated set of manufactured nanostructures and efforts to force the lithium to temporarily beta-decay into only the high powered isotope of helium at top efficiencies. Instead it is allowed to give off heat and convert at lower efficiencies. The neutrinos are left to simply escape and radiate outwards in all directions Including splashing against the stargate and powering it up (SCI-FI SG1 page states that Naquada is powered up by neutrinos). It also is unlike the ZPM in which normally the PROTELF effect is radiating outwards near the immediate vicinity of the ZPM and affecting the oxygen and nitrogen in the air (causing them to also go into temporary beta decays) and thereby tricking part of the environments gases to participate in the energy.

All the output from these 20 separate fuel cell devices can be added in series and parallel and then again the PROTELF process can be done on one grand scale to further boost it up. That can be routed through the conductive passages that have been depicted as existing in the hallways. You can have someone on the team accidentally break the main device after a few months. This larger device can have the potential to last much longer than the regular ZPM's if the porphyrin nanotubes are given maintenance regularly. Otherwise if the Atlantis team has to replace the source wires which originally came from the fuel cells a long project would ensue.
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SG1 could encounter a world that has more water on their planet than ours. Say... they have only one half the "above water land mass" as ours (don't count the arctics). The rest of the planet is ocean ... and the planet is slightly bigger in diameter because it gets hit with a lot more water rich meteorites (larger asteroid belt) that have water in them compared to Earth. So they have 103% of our gravity making them weigh a little more and they have a moon but it's only 2/3rds the size of ours so their tides are a lot smaller and they have a lot less volcanism and their mountains are not as tall as earths.
Their moon is just about to be released from its tidal lock and get flung out into space and so their planet has started to meander on its axis and the poles are melting and wandering around and they have very active weather and a shorter day/night (20.6 hours).

The various nations already knew this was going to happen so they had prepared for this by building these massive floating cities.

On top of that, the Ocean has less salt in it (8 parts less per thousand) making them less bouyant at sea. So they occasionally go to war over Land (which is very green by the way).
The ones at Sea have trained birds that go steal seeds from the people on land which is never noticed. They have also developed a special relationship with the large whale like mammals of the ocean. They milk them. The whale like animals are constantly running away from a superbig shark like predator like Megaladon on earth and the human territories are safe for them because the humans kill these Megaladons all the time with their military equipment.

They ride around on the ocean on these large city type ships. They've got the ocean all divided up into territories and there are these very large arrays of porphyrin nanotubes that make hydrogen and oxygen out of the sea water which are covered with transparent domes. They also have submarines. So they dock up to these domes within their territories and take in hydrogen for the fuel cells on their ships and the oxygen is reserved for the submarines and their own sea floor mining tunnels. There is plenty of shallow water areas within their territories where they install monster sized windmill arrays to generate electricity which they also dock up to.

Since they have to build ships despite having no land to mine minerals out of they do a weird sort of shallow water dredging in order to get their cheap easy minerals to build with. They also trade with the people on land to get materials they need such as wood.
The also have regular mining going on in which they drill into the earth in their shallow water areas but they have to make large concrete tunnels and docking ports for it in order to start the process. So they all have these mazes of underground tunnels and they bomb each others tunnels from up above in the water.

The land dwellers are always dealing with two opposite pressures of their communities. The first is to shave off the mountains and dump it on the beaches to increase their square miles of land and the other parts of the community that wants to keep the mountains there in case the land gets flooded even further and also the mountains collect fresh water. This is where the stargate comes in. They are in the middle of bulldozing the snow off of a mountain when they uncover the stargate.
What the heck, the ancients stuck one here just for diversity's sake. The people on this world have more oxidative stress than earth and since it has increased even further from the oceans rising and being full of diatoms they cultivate Sea and land vegetables full of polyphenols and ingredients which induce the production of natural antioxidants of the body (glutathione, catalaze, S.O.D., etc..). The whole planet is under the stress of natural selection favoring the shorter people that need less resources while at the same time the increased oxygen pressure is allowing larger growth but a shorter lifespan unless antioxidants are induced.


Real world References:
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Porphyrin nanotubes into hydrogen phtocatalysts:
http://www.reactivereports.com/44/44_4.html

Nano filtration
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/nanotech-05zb.html

Just in case....
KX industries:
http://www.kxindustries.com/corporate/corp_faq.asp

eMembrane
http://www.emembrane.com/

_Owen_
August 8th, 2005, 04:25 PM
You have very nice ideas, they are very well though through, and each of your posts is so detailed. If I could give you more rep I would.

As for the idea, it has potential, as for adapting it as a back up for Atlantis' power systems, I am not sure if the Ancient would have done that, lots of people rebuild old cars, but the majority of them are not sold at dealerships as new.

Owen Macri

aironoeus
August 11th, 2005, 05:29 AM
#40
The Real world Science items:
Zeaxanthin.



Details
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Zeaxanthin is a chemical that you have to get from your diet in order to avoid going blind.
It is used by the center of the retina to block the blue and UV light from causing oxidation of the fats in there. The body uses lutein on the outer portions of the retina and uses zeaxanthin in the center. Lutein is assymetric, zeaxanthin is symmetric.
The body tries to make a copy of it out of lutein which is called meso-zeaxanthin but it doesn't perform as well as the real thing.


How it could be used on SG1
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One of the Asgard can have his food destroyed while in a fight and ask us for some egg yolks or orange peppers. They have very large eyes and it would follow that they would need high amounts of Zeaxanthin due to a larger retina.


Real world References:
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Zeaxanthin is the dominant component within the central macula:
http://www.macular.org/nutrition/zeaxan.html

Gregorius
August 11th, 2005, 09:11 AM
One of the Asgard can have his food destroyed while in a fight and ask us for some egg yolks or orange peppers. They have very large eyes and it would follow that they would need high amounts of Zeaxanthin due to a larger retina.

You're making a thought error here (I haven't read your other posts due my lack of time, so I'll only reply to this one for know). You assume they have the same physiology as humans while it's highly likely they don't need Zeaxanthin.

Three PhDs
August 11th, 2005, 10:14 AM
You're making a thought error here (I haven't read your other posts due my lack of time, so I'll only reply to this one for know). You assume they have the same physiology as humans while it's highly likely they don't need Zeaxanthin.And on what grounds do you assume they won't? After all, you state it's "highly likely" they won't.

_Owen_
August 11th, 2005, 12:50 PM
We can neither assume that they have the same physiology as us or assume that they do not. As we don't know. If in fact they did evolve completley separatly from human life, then it is more likley that they will not, however, it is still possible that they will. It is like growing two chickens on oposite sides of the Earth and assuming that they will both live the same amount of time.

Owen Macri

aironoeus
August 12th, 2005, 05:58 AM
I think that it is pretty well established that anything that breathes air has a retina in its eye. I mean, I can't think of anything that breathes air that doesn't can you? This isn't necessarily a human thing but a mammal thing.

_Owen_
August 12th, 2005, 02:43 PM
Yes, but everything that you could possibly think of lives and has evolved on Earth. The Asgard are aliens, how do we know that they even fit the definition of mammal.

Owen Macri

aironoeus
August 12th, 2005, 04:58 PM
How do we know that....How do we know that.... how do we know that....
Come up with something original. I'm not gonna write all the stupidly obvious "how do we knows" after every single item.
The title of the thread is "could be used on SG1" not "have to be used on SG1."
Really, short attention span posts are not worth much.
If the best you can come up with, is read the shortest post I make and make a stupidly obvious "how do we know that" comment then I'd rather you not make it.
I have to admit that there are eye physiologies in the insect world that I am ignorant of that might use other chloroyphyll type assemblies and other supporting molecules but I haven't studied much about insects yet.
Barring that, I believe that the retina concept is pretty prevalent throughout the animal kingdom including underwater animals.

_Owen_
August 12th, 2005, 05:49 PM
If you would like to post your ideas on science and technology, by all means, please do so, this is the section. But if there is a flaw in an idea, we will point it out. And in this case, the flaw happens to be the fact that we don't know if the Asgard even have retinas, or how their eyes even work. The Asgard are a completley alien race, with a completley diffrent physiology, because something is common on Earth, does not mean that it is common throughout the universe.

So bascially, you expect us to read your posts and nothing more. Even if there is a problem with one, do not post. Well, that is not a discussion forum, it is a message board. If you intend to post ideas and theories, be ready to back them up. I am not trying to be mean, but if you expect us to just believe everything you say, without question your expectations will go down the tube.

You are assuming completley that the Asgard have retinas, and being an alien race, from a distant galaxy, the mathematical probability that they would evolve with two arms and two legs is small enough, but for them to have the same eye physiology as us is even lower, and the two combined are incredibly low. Don't get me wrong, it is possible, but seeing as we don't know, all we can say to your post is, "possibly, but unlikley."

Owen Macri

Three PhDs
August 13th, 2005, 10:05 AM
If you would like to post your ideas on science and technology, by all means, please do so, this is the section. But if there is a flaw in an idea, we will point it out. And in this case, the flaw happens to be the fact that we don't know if the Asgard even have retinas, or how their eyes even work. The Asgard are a completley alien race, with a completley diffrent physiology, because something is common on Earth, does not mean that it is common throughout the universe.However, granted that they look vaguely like us and breathe the same air as us, and their food is edible by humans it does follow that we are largely biologically similar.


You are assuming completley that the Asgard have retinas, and being an alien race, from a distant galaxy, the mathematical probability that they would evolve with two arms and two legs is small enough, but for them to have the same eye physiology as us is even lower, and the two combined are incredibly low.You just bashed him for making assumptions, but that little para there just set off my assumption alarm Owen.


Don't get me wrong, it is possible, but seeing as we don't know, all we can say to your post is, "possibly, but unlikley."Wrong. All we can say is "Possible, though there is insufficient evidence to speculate either way."

_Owen_
August 15th, 2005, 09:28 PM
However, granted that they look vaguely like us and breathe the same air as us, and their food is edible by humans it does follow that we are largely biologically similar.


Biologically similar, but not the same, obviously.

Owen Macri

aironoeus
August 20th, 2005, 05:36 AM
Here's an exciting update regarding item #6 that I posted in the general discussion area under the thread with the same title of this one.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/nanotech-05zzze.html

This was my original post.
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#6
The Real world Science item:
The amazing ability of Gecko feet to stick to anything while at the same time being self cleaning.



How it could be used on SG1.
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It can be made into gloves and feet pads for people on the Prometheus when the artificial antigravity goes down or for space walks since they have been shown to work in vaccuum. It could also be used as a generic tape onboard the same vessel. It could also be used as a trait exhibited by the wraith on SG Atlantis either when under stress or assigned to a given class such as worker or caretaker.

Real world References
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News item:
http://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2005-01-03-8

Article with details by Dr George Johnson:
http://www.txtwriter.com/Onscience/Articles/climbingwalls.html


Not Exciting/interesting enough for you?
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How about a scene where SG trainees and members are being trained on using the apparatus (gloves and feet pads). There would be a lot of laughing and playing around and falling down.

aironoeus
August 20th, 2005, 06:39 AM
#41
The Real world Science item:
Vertical axis windmills.

Details
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There are a number of vertical axis windmills that have been developed over the years however it seems to me that the one devoloped by Encore holds the most promise for being able to get into the hands of everyday people in the future and generates the most power from the least amount of wind. It seems to be the most realistic.


How it could be used on SG1
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We never see huge honking windmills off-world. There could or should be an episode where we see these enormous vertical axis windmills in the background as one of the SG1 people are having a discussion with an off-world person about something else.

One of the SG1 members can be very curious and start asking about them to which they can get the replies of, "Haven't you ever seen a windmill before? Of course you make them that way, how else would you make them?"


Real world References
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http://www.encorecleanenergy.com/default.asp?c=2250

Not Exciting/interesting enough for you?
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The Ori can set little units like these up for off-world people in extreme poverty to pump ground water for individual farmers and provide electricity for a large light source at night and a simple atmospheric water condensor (something based on ammonia and calcium chloride) with filter and UV light source (included for sterilization) in the day with a big old 30 gallon water tank dispensing this clean drinking water.


They can then pooh pooh the SG1 members and earth stating that earth still has 1 billion people in extreme poverty and that the various affluent nations of Earth are not even giving half of one percent of their Gross National Product towards alleviating this problem.
This Ori "Rep" can purposely point out that a great deal of these people are "of the darker skin" just to take a cheap shot and try to get Tealc to question his loyalty.

aironoeus
August 20th, 2005, 03:15 PM
By the way Owen....I was trying to Jar you into arguing an alternative view. I was hoping that you might look up the subject and present an alternative plausible scenerio because I'm too lazy to go look into insects and other eye physiologies. Oh well, I tried. I thought it might lead into an interesting discussion about what the Asgard biologically most resemble on earth.

_Owen_
August 23rd, 2005, 09:45 AM
Well, I would like a discussion like that, however we don't know a whole lot about Asgard physiology. However if you would like an alternative scenario in which it could be used.

SG-1 could find a race that lives on a planet where Zeaxanthin does not occur, so they never recieved it in their diets. So, they all went blind and eventually evolved without eyes, seeing as they weren't using them. Then they developed a mental ability to "see" everything around them, their brain could emit some type of energy which then reflects off of all the objects around them for miles and miles, sort of like sonar, however they can see in all directions at once because they are recieving information from all directions, so all of the time they can see in all directions.

Either that or a race was experimenting on them and accidentally destroyed all Zeaxanthin on thier planet, and made it so it could never occur naturally again, so they then implanted devices in their brains which allows them to see in all directions, to replace thier vision, because the race that was experimenting on them felt guilty.

Owen Macri

aironoeus
August 27th, 2005, 06:30 AM
#42
The Real world Science item:
The Internal Wing Aircraft (IWA for short)

Details
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This is an aircraft with an internal wing that generates more lift than any other aircraft. This is not "just another joined-wing design." It's more like the wings are ducts designed in such a way to provide a larger lift than ordinary aircraft. The inventor has made a toy version and started a toy company in order to disseminate the concept to the world.


How it could be used on SG1
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This aircraft design can be approved by SG1 to be an off-world day to day transport plane on a planet with a thinner atmosphere where the SG military has a strategic base set up. Since regular planes will not function as well on this thinner air planet this design is approved by the SG miltary. It can be depicted on the show, the problems that they have with regular aircraft and helicopters on this planet. A significant portion of the episode can be the drama of the character portraying the inventor of this design finding out about the stargate program, his frustration of not getting his project submissions to NASA and the military offically approved and funded (see NASA's NIAC and whatever the militarys equivalent to NIAC is) and finding out that the SG program is actually using his design without his knowledge while at the same time taking steps to get his design proposals "pooh poohed" on the basis that it "does not demonstrate a significant enough difference from previous joined-wing aircraft designs that have already been investigated by the military."
There is a patent law that says something along the lines of, "the military can fully use or confiscate a patent if it has national security use" but I can't remember the number of the patent law. The http://www.disclosureproject.org probably has it on their website as I seem to remember Dr. Greer mentioning it several times during radio interviews.
Maybe even a disclosure project type organization can be portrayed on the show which slips this inventor of the IWA aircraft the information that his design is in fact BEING USED.
The disclosure project being depicted on the show would sure throw a monkey wrench into the normally extroverted view (problems are off-world and SG program is very ethical) of the show however maybe it is a dynamic which the writers can deal with. The basic premise of the disclosure project is that the miltary is hiding technologies that would help alleviate most of the worlds problems.

The inventor can be revealed of the SG program on the episode and convinced why he has to in fact not disclose to the public what is going on.
A real world example of a NIAC submission that this inventor would make on the show would be the recent compressed CO2 powered aircraft proposed for a mars robotic explorer.


Real world References
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NASA's NIAC
http://niac.usra.edu/studies/

IWA toy company
http://www.iwatoyco.com/technology.asp

Disclosure project
http://www.disclosureproject.org

Mars airplane
http://www.marsnews.com/missions/airplane/

_Owen_
August 27th, 2005, 09:26 PM
That is a very good idea, I imagined the plane slightly diffrent, however, that model works too.

Thanks for the information. As well the design could be adapted, ever so slightly, to be our next generation fighter ship.

Owen Macri

aironoeus
September 1st, 2005, 06:10 PM
#43
The Real world Science item:
Bloodroot will eat away large moles better than lasers and liquid nitrogen

Details
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Bloodroot is a plant related to the Poppy. It has a red substance in it that looks like blood which contains three alkaloids in it. When you apply it to a mole (even large ones) a reaction takes place that turns the mole into a sore. The body then starts attacking the area to prevent infection and heals the sore. In most cases there is no scar left after it has fully healed. In contrast to using a laser to burn off your moles, when you use bloodroot it is cheaper, most of the time doesn't leave a scar, and the mole doesn't return. I am relating this from first hand experience. It is hard to express in words how much social relief you can get from finally getting rid of a large ugly mole without leaving an equivalently ugly scar.

Objectively, American indians have been using this for many years to get rid of skin tags, warts, moles, and anything similar. Obviously they didn't go in to get there bumps biopsied for melanoma before using it so what does that tell you?
hmmmmmmm

How it could be used on SG1
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This is a simple tool that can be used in the SG medical facility.
It would be controversial for me to suggest using it on the show to get rid of a melanoma growth so let's not do that.
Let's just have one of the characters on the show use it in real life to get rid of an ugly mole and shoot the episode incorporating it into the show having the new doctor prescribe it to one of the various SG team members.


Real world References
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There are many companies selling bloodroot paste to get rid of moles so I won't give a link on that. Google it.
Bloodroot is also used in very small amounts to make you throw up and also as a dye.

Bloodroot picture and brief description:
http://www.auburn.edu/~deancar/wfnotes/bludrt.htm

Wikipedia on Alkaloids:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkaloids

aironoeus
September 5th, 2005, 07:23 AM
#44
The Real world Science item:
Directed sound weapons.
MRADs (medium-range acoustic devices) and LRAD (long-range acoustic device).

Details
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These are weapons that beam sound directly in a straight line for very long distances. You'll be suprised out how far they can shoot intelligible very loud soundtracks.
These were developed by 2 companies. They're a black square panel composed of multiple speakers between 4 and 10 feet across.


How it could be used on SG1
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This is not just about being able to deliver clear intelligible sound for a mile or so at a target! This is also about being able to direct sound tracks that are designed to cause the inner ear great discomfort causing dizziness. There are many possiblities with this, given the wide spectrum of sounds to direct with.
Here is a more extreme example. Possibly if the devices can be redesigned to emit ultrasound and they were directed at a vessel, ship, or land target which is known to have heavy water in it sonoluminescence would occur resulting in fusion and a large energy release making it an effective weapon if there is something near the fusion that can be exploded.

As of yet there has been no explanation given as to how the large goauld motherships project that large booming intelligble sound towards the ground that was heard so many times from Apophis for example.
Well this can be explained by multiple arrays of these LRADS arranged to protude from the bottom side of the ship when desired. The same thing can be installed on the Daedulus and Prometheus. Which means the Daedulus and Prometheus would now have a non-lethal sound based weapon that you can use on the show when flying in an atmosphere.
Wouldn't it be interesting if they found out by accident that a certain frequency of sound caused a rupture of major blood vessels in Wraith or caused internal wide scale electrical disruption in replicators. There are a lot of sounds that cause different effects in metal and ceramics.

Real world References
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HPV technologies:
http://www.getmad.com/

American technology:
http://atcsd.com/

aironoeus
October 12th, 2005, 01:48 PM
addendum to item #41 - vertical axis windmills

Here are additional vertical axis windmills that can be shown as very large structures in the background or as small units in less advanced civilizations off-world. Some of these are very environmentally healthy in that they don't kill birds.

Windside - These along with being very safe and effective at low wind speeds can be made into pieces of art.
http://www.windside.com

Windhaus - Similar to Windside
http://windausenergy.com/

Carbon concepts - Although this doesn't necessarily look bird safe it seems very stable and realistic.
http://www.carbonconcepts.co.uk

Greenwindmill - This is basically sails hooked together in a square draped over a skeleton of metal rods.
http://www.greenwindmill.com

Windstor - This looks like the one we saw on Kevin Costners boat in the movie "Water World."
http://web.mckenziebay.com/

aironoeus
October 20th, 2005, 07:17 PM
addendum to item #36 - The Landwalker
You can see this item in the original thread which is located in the general discussion area. A link should show on the bottom of this page under the "Similar Threads" title.

In that item I speculated on how to solve the problem of a high-strength windshield for the landwalker. I mentioned in that item "transparent aluminum" made by a German company but I provided no link and I could find no additional data about it at the time.

Well this transparent aluminum has just presented itself as an online Science news item.
It definitely fits the purpose.
Here is the link.
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123012131

aironoeus
October 20th, 2005, 08:56 PM
#45
The Real world Science item:
Photolyase
This is an enzyme that repairs your DNA by using light.

Details
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Photolyase exists in the skin of a wide variety of animals. It does not exist in human skin, however there is evidence that it does exist in the white blood cells of humans.
When UV light damages the DNA in animals skin cells this enzyme uses blue light aftwerwards to repair the damage.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/radiation-03b.html

How it could be used on SG1
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It can be stated that this is one of the many ways that Symbiotes maintain youthful skin.

Or

SG1 can encounter a race off-world where this enzyme has been added to the skin of humans using a retro-virus along the same lines as was done here:
http://jcs.biologists.org/cgi/content/abstract/117/16/3579

Or

A topical solution like the one that Dr. Jean Krutman developed can be provided in the standard gear that SG1 carries around.
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/4/1790

helio9
October 20th, 2005, 11:11 PM
You win the award for most hardcore Stargate fan ever.

aironoeus
October 21st, 2005, 08:10 AM
How's that? I haven't watched the show for 3 weeks now and I didn't "make sure to catch it" when season nine was going on. Is this a chat room where we make stupid short attention span comments about each other or is this a place where we actually discuss something?

dosed150
October 21st, 2005, 10:37 AM
Well, I would like a discussion like that, however we don't know a whole lot about Asgard physiology. However if you would like an alternative scenario in which it could be used.

SG-1 could find a race that lives on a planet where Zeaxanthin does not occur, so they never recieved it in their diets. So, they all went blind and eventually evolved without eyes, seeing as they weren't using them. Then they developed a mental ability to "see" everything around them, their brain could emit some type of energy which then reflects off of all the objects around them for miles and miles, sort of like sonar, however they can see in all directions at once because they are recieving information from all directions, so all of the time they can see in all directions.

Either that or a race was experimenting on them and accidentally destroyed all Zeaxanthin on thier planet, and made it so it could never occur naturally again, so they then implanted devices in their brains which allows them to see in all directions, to replace thier vision, because the race that was experimenting on them felt guilty.

Owen Macri


this sounds awfulyy familiar star wars had already done it the miraluka have no eyes and use the force to see

aironoeus
October 21st, 2005, 04:16 PM
I was hoping he'd come up with something creative involving Astaxanthin.
http://www.astaxanthin.org/
because I haven't seen any data suggesting that the human body displaces the zeaxanthin with astaxanthin in the eye. I wonder why. Maybe zeaxanthin and lutein are the "best fit water and fat antioxidants" for the conditions in the eye.

helio9
October 23rd, 2005, 01:00 AM
How's that? I haven't watched the show for 3 weeks now and I didn't "make sure to catch it" when season nine was going on. Is this a chat room where we make stupid short attention span comments about each other or is this a place where we actually discuss something?
Short attention span? Just because I don't want to read 30 pages of your speculation just so I can have a conversation with you? Please. Look at the number of responses you've gotten. You like talking to yourself more than anything. Discussing hypothetical applications of technology for a fictional TV show might be fun, but not if we have to read 30 pages first.

leaper
October 23rd, 2005, 01:21 AM
Short attention span? Just because I don't want to read 30 pages of your speculation just so I can have a conversation with you? Please. Look at the number of responses you've gotten. You like talking to yourself more than anything. Discussing hypothetical applications of technology for a fictional TV show might be fun, but not if we have to read 30 pages first.
I agree with you...
I read the first post...scrolled down to see who was into the topic and decided to not bother reading any further, a discussion is interaction, not a lecture or one persons lifetime theories.
Take all the swipes you wish at my short attention span aironeous, my life is just a little too busy.

aironoeus
November 1st, 2005, 08:52 AM
Nobody is twisting anybodys arm to post in this thread here.
Scroll down and you'll see it's page 2 not 30.

Also the items are different and separated by number so that you can just pick one if you so choose.

Those are very obvious facts, so saying that you have to read through 30 pages just to have a discussion with me is a lie.

I'm not neccessarily interested in you having a discussion with me escpecially since it's clear that you're not willing or wanting to. There are other threads where things are being discussed.
If you don't want to post or read this one then don't.

I'm not lecturing, I'm offering individual items. I have no degrees, I am not a professor or teacher of any kind. I've discussed various detailed science topics on other websites with guys that are a lot smarter or knowledgable than I am in a specific subject. It's all done in a postive tone as we are all pretty much interested in improving peoples lives with technology.

I appreciate when someone else posts something that Enlightens me.... that I didn't know about before.
Most of the time there is no need to respond to it. That's just the way that enlightenment works. But yet it is interactive because I viewed that persons post. It just expands your knowledge of what's possible.

I'm not talking to myself because there are 5 hundred and something views on this thread.

"Look at the number of responses I've gotten?"

So what? That's not neccessarily important.
Look at the amount of activity in this forum since I started posting in it i.e., number of threads and replies before and after the first date I started posting.

aironoeus
November 1st, 2005, 09:11 AM
#46
The Real world Science item:
Cold energy

Details
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This is a new way of generating energy. It is very simple. It is a large diameter of pipe strung over a couple hundred miles. The small difference in atmospheric pressure between the 2 locations at the pipe ends causes extremely high speed wind (above the speed of sound) to flow through the pipe.
http://www.coldenergyllc.com/technology.htm

How it could be used on SG1
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SG1 could encounter an off-world society that uses this system extensively. It could be owned by the government and the pipes can include an interior tube that is used to transport paper mail (or anything else that will survive the G forces) for their post office.