Rodney McKay/John Sheppard Friendship Thread [Archive]

SaharaGate

April 29th, 2005, 04:43 PM

Ok so on the Rodney discussion thread and the Shep discussion thread there often seems to be *shock horror* discussion about their interaction with each other. ;)

Since this dynamic is my personal favourite on the show, I thought it warranted a thread unto itself :).

I realise there is already a Shep/Mckay ship thread, but this thread is not intended to be ship (or slash), just a place to discuss their interactions and the evolution of their friendship.

Though, of course, that discussion can definitely include ship and slash.

Ok, so to get the ball rolling, I move a motion that Shep and Rodney are much more alike than either of them would ever likely admit. :p

I mean there is the whole mensa, smart maths thing, their geeky glee at all shiny new technology (so long as it goes really fast and has potentially cool weapons) and their stunning inability to admit their own shortcomings or *gasp* that they may in fact be wrong (note Shep in Hot Zone and McKay...well McKay in every episode).

So. What do YOU think? :p :D

Girl Clone

April 29th, 2005, 04:55 PM

I really like the whole Sheppard/McKay dynamic. Their bickering with each other makes me laugh. The way they'll get sidetracked from things just to snipe at each other (Before I Sleep)...

I haven't watched the episodes enough to get past the sheer delight in their interaction, and instead concentrate on the social dynamics, but the whole friendship thing between McKay and Sheppard is a major part of what makes this show so enjoyable for me.

Of course, I'm very new to being a fan, so perhaps this discussion has been done several times before, but I'm still interested to see what other people have to say.

SaharaGate

April 29th, 2005, 05:10 PM

I really like the whole Sheppard/McKay dynamic. Their bickering with each other makes me laugh. The way they'll get sidetracked from things just to snipe at each other (Before I Sleep)...
Yes and in Brotherhood...'Give me the gun I'll shoot him myself!' and the way McKay can still focus on the most inconsequential details (the Mensa thing) even in the face of certain death heh

I haven't watched the episodes enough to get past the sheer delight in their interaction, and instead concentrate on the social dynamics, but the whole friendship thing between McKay and Sheppard is a major part of what makes this show so enjoyable for me.
I've watched and re-watched them all and I'm *still* not past it ;):D

Of course, I'm very new to being a fan, so perhaps this discussion has been done several times before, but I'm still interested to see what other people have to say.
Well strangely enough, it seems to me this discussion has only been done in a disjointed sort of way, not in the one place, even though lots of people seem to love their interaction.
And if you're still fairly new to the fandom then welcome :) I think these boys are a wonderful place to start an obsession heh

Easter Lily

April 29th, 2005, 08:04 PM

Lida

April 29th, 2005, 08:48 PM

I hate to bring this up, BUT, as Rodney has a "thing for dumb blondes", I don't think Elizabeth Weir fits the bill. I love their verbal interaction, but I seriously doubt any social relaionship is in their futures, at least, not with each other. But that's just my opinion...... :rolleyes:

Porthos1013

April 29th, 2005, 09:00 PM

Girl Clone

April 29th, 2005, 10:49 PM

...I therefore won't have my Jack-Daniel banter, Rodney-John banter is just as good!

I haven't seen any SG1 episodes, but perhaps I'll have to give them a go if there's good banter ;)

I just watched Hide And Seek again and that whole "I shot him." interaction with McKay and Sheppard (and Weir) just made me giggle like a 12 year old girl.

I am hoping TPTB keep away from the whole romance angle on this show (barring babe/boy of the week types) for the lead characters and just develop the working relationship and friendship dynamics. Especially that of McKay and Sheppard. They're just far funnier and cuter together than they are apart.

Also - did I use the spoiler tags correctly up there? And were they necessary or could I have gotten away without them?

Easter Lily

April 30th, 2005, 03:46 AM

From the bits that I've read, I think we'll be seeing a lot more the Rodney/Sheppard banter in Season 2... Joe Flanigan has mentioned in recent interviews about doing the Hope/Crosby thing. In my mind they've already started on that road (no pun intended) in Season 1. My favourite Rodney/Sheppard moment is the opening sequence of The Defiant One... Admittedly it isn't one of my favourite episodes but the entire exchange in that sequence cracks me up everytime. I think it highlights the dynamic of their relationship so well. Sometimes it's like a parent-child scenario and at other times it's a bit of sibling rivalry. Stargate does the male to male banter dynamic so well. :D

Girl Clone

April 30th, 2005, 04:43 AM

From the bits that I've read, I think we'll be seeing a lot more the Rodney/Sheppard banter in Season 2...

I'll keep my fingers crossed that you are right. Which will make it difficult to type, but still... ;)

My favourite Rodney/Sheppard moment is the opening sequence of The Defiant One... Admittedly it isn't one of my favourite episodes but the entire exchange in that sequence cracks me up everytime.

I love that scene. I rewound and watched it at least 4 times before going on to the rest of the episode.

I can't be the only one who did that, surely?

SaharaGate

April 30th, 2005, 07:46 AM

Whoohoo... my favourite Stargate twosome...

Yes... this is the best Stargate dynamic IMVHO... together they are magic... but I do beg to differ, SaharaGate, about why the banter between the two are fantastic... I don't think it is because they are similar BUT it is because they have opposite personalities... And because they are opposites, they are a wonderful foil for one another. Shep always feels like he has something to hide but Rodney has a serious case of verbal diarrhoea... put them together and there's sparks and bickering... = chemistry... a great formula
However, I can see where there might some similarity... because when those two men get together, it seems like they're a couple of kids dancing around the playground calling each other names, going "neener, neneer"... :p

Hmm yes there is that whole opposites attract thing....but that's the thing. They THINK they are opposites, but in actual fact they share quite a lot of similarities (I'd go into more detail but it's close to 2am lol). And THAT'S why they find each other so annoying heh...nobody is more annoying than somebody just like you heh.

I mean they're not identical, by any means, but I do think they share some of the same character flaws, some of the same drives, shortcomings and strengths...they just manifest themselves in very different ways.

Therein lies one problem I had with Sanctuary... TPTB made them hostile towards each other... it was all wrong. Hostility is so un-Rodney like... :eek:
See now I loved their face-off in Sanctuary because it complicated their relationship for me - nothing worse than one-dimensional characters in a one-dimensional relationship. But these guys are multi dimensional...and they don't always get along.

That's something that Atlantis does well in general...the characters make mistakes, they change their minds, act 'out of character', because they are in situations that are so unusual, so challenging emotionally/physicall/mentally that there are going to be a variety of reactions...and not always consistent ones either.

The fact that Rodney over-reacted so much to Sheppard's relationship with Chaya and that Sheppard got so very defensive about his personal life (and showed signs of being uncomfortable talking about it wiht anyone...even Teyla) really adds depth to their interactions. It's like there's something else going on there...it's more than them pushing each other's buttons or getting on each other's nerves. There was real anger there and, imho, Rodney looked pretty hurt by it in that final shot - though whether he was hurt/disappointed with himself or Shep is a matter of opinion.

SaharaGate

April 30th, 2005, 07:56 AM

I haven't seen any SG1 episodes, but perhaps I'll have to give them a go if there's good banter ;)

Oh yes, the banter is exquisite. :D

Where do you think TPTB learned everything they apply to Atlantis? ;)

SNIP

I am hoping TPTB keep away from the whole romance angle on this show (barring babe/boy of the week types) for the lead characters and just develop the working relationship and friendship dynamics. Especially that of McKay and Sheppard. They're just far funnier and cuter together than they are apart.

So agree with you there...I hope they stay away from the OTP's and ship in general. The fans are more than capable of filling in the blanks, reading between teh lines...and creating whole new ones heh.

But I don't really go for the 'cute alien priestess of the week' scenario either. It usually makes for very one-dimensional, boring one-off characters. It takes away from their role in the story, their only function becoming that of making X Character look more attractive/desirable.

Sure they can be great foils (like Vala in SG), but in the case of Rodney and Shep...they have each other to gripe at.

There's enough banter there for 10 seasons...

Also - did I use the spoiler tags correctly up there? And were they necessary or could I have gotten away without them?

Indeed you did, and yes you probably could have got away without them because it is an early episode, but it never hurts to be cautious (and some forum members haven't seen much of Atlantis yet). And since this is a character thread, not a spoiler thread or a thread discussing certain episodes, it's not a bad thing to give people the extra warning if you want to.

And woo! My 500th post! :D

Lida

April 30th, 2005, 08:00 AM

My thanks to whoever red dinged me for going off the thread. It was an honest mistake on my part. I posted late and was tired. I hope someone does the same to you someday. I was just a few points away from my next level. I NEVER red ding for little things, but I do give out lots of green, esp to newbies (which I still am) and to great posts.

Thank you again, next time have the guts to sign your ding! I won't post here again, thanks to you. I wouldn't want to break the thread. Horrors!

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

SaharaGate

April 30th, 2005, 08:00 AM

I love that scene. I rewound and watched it at least 4 times before going on to the rest of the episode.

I can't be the only one who did that, surely?

Nope, you most certainly weren't the only one ;):D

Great, great scene. So funny and so very classic Shep-Mckay. :o :D

SaharaGate

April 30th, 2005, 08:07 AM

I won't post here again, thanks to you. I wouldn't want to break the thread. Horrors!

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

C'mon now, McKay and Shep would want you to stay. :p :D :p

You know how much they love the attention. ;)

Lida

April 30th, 2005, 08:11 AM

C'mon now, McKay and Shep would want you to stay. :p :D :p

You know how much they love the attention. ;)

I adore McKay/Hewlett and Sheppard/Flanigan, but I can't risk mis-posting if a coward on this thread takes this so seriously. Thanks for caring. :o

SaharaGate

April 30th, 2005, 08:31 AM

I adore McKay/Hewlett and Sheppard/Flanigan, but I can't risk mis-posting if a coward on this thread takes this so seriously. Thanks for caring. :o

Well, not to be a downer or anything, but I think you'll find red-reps are a risk no matter where you post.

Up to you though ;)

And to keep this on topic...

Fav (for the current moment) Shep-Mckay scene: in Suspicion, when Ford is about to show them the weapons and John looks at the way Rodney is wringing his hands:

>>SHEPPARD: You seem nervous…

MCKAY: No…I'm part of this team I'm doing this.

SHEPPARD: Yes you are. I just said you seemed nervous.

MCKAY: Oh really…I thought you said Rodney you don't have to do this…

SHEPPARD: Yes you do

MCKAY: Damn right I'm doing this…despite the fact the feeling has not completely returned to my extremities…<<

I just love that little exchange! :)

And it seems John knows what the rest of us do: that anything Rodney's mouth doesn't blurt out, his hands will ;)

Easter Lily

April 30th, 2005, 01:33 PM

My thanks to whoever red dinged me for going off the thread. It was an honest mistake on my part. I posted late and was tired. I hope someone does the same to you someday. (

Don't worry about it Lida... it probably isn't any of the active posters here... You make a lot of sense as far as I'm concerned.

Now... back to talking about our favourite twosome... ;)

Easter Lily

May 1st, 2005, 01:56 PM

Hmm yes there is that whole opposites attract thing....but that's the thing. They THINK they are opposites, but in actual fact they share quite a lot of similarities (I'd go into more detail but it's close to 2am lol). And THAT'S why they find each other so annoying heh...nobody is more annoying than somebody just like you heh.

I mean they're not identical, by any means, but I do think they share some of the same character flaws, some of the same drives, shortcomings and strengths...they just manifest themselves in very different ways.

I do think that they are opposites in more ways than they are similar... Obviously they are both very intelligent guys but even the way they demonstrate their intelligence is very different. Rodney is the intellectual whereas Shep is much more intuitive and streetwise... perhaps it is just the scientist vs military thing. Nonetheless, it amuses me no end to see Rodney surprised by Sheppard the closet mathematical genius... that Sheppard is not the stereotypical military flyboy...
But I do like it that they look out for each other and there's a great deal of respect between the two men. I do appreciate that Shep doesn't feel the need to rely on Rodney to solve all their problems.

SaharaGate

May 1st, 2005, 06:55 PM

I do think that they are opposites in more ways than they are similar... Obviously they are both very intelligent guys but even the way they demonstrate their intelligence is very different.
Yes well there probably are more differences than similarities...but I still think there are more smiliarities than it would at first appear. Something about their childishness when they're together...they're like two naughty children getting into strife - best of friends one minute then arguing the next.

Rodney is the intellectual whereas Shep is much more intuitive and streetwise... perhaps it is just the scientist vs military thing.
Actually that's something I believe Rodney is learning.

When he called Sam an 'artist', I think he was basically saying that she has the confidence (or stupidity ;)) to rely on intuition, to just take a chance and try something because her instincts say it will work.

Rodney however has always relied on calculations, on numbers and on proven precedents. Now that he's in Pegasus, he's learning how to problem solve in an entirely different way.

In 38 Minutes, Weir had to tell him to stop being so methodical, and I think that applies to everything. By being in all these 'certain doom' situations, he's learning to try anything and everything.

Shep, however, already relies on intuition (probably too much lol). So Rodney probably both admires his 'hail mary' approach and scoffs at it.

Love that Shep is full of surprises.

That's kind of what I mean about them being similar enough not to let each other get away with anything.

Shep is smart enough to 'call' McKay when he's bluffing with big numbers and techno-speak and McKay isn't afraid to 'call' Shep when he's letting his ego make the decisions, or getting them lost heh.

[quote] But I do like it that they look out for each other and there's a great deal of respect between the two men. I do appreciate that Shep doesn't feel the need to rely on Rodney to solve all their problems.

Agreed :)

There isn't the whole 'Oh Rodney will think of something' the way there is on SG with Sam.

Shep's a different kind of leader to O'Neill. He seems less experienced and becuse there is less of a military command structure, he can be questioned a lot more openly and a lot more frequently than was possible at the SGC.

Girl Clone

May 3rd, 2005, 12:21 AM

Oh yes, the banter is exquisite. :D

Where do you think TPTB learned everything they apply to Atlantis? ;)
If my friend A ever hears about this he'll gloat. He's been trying to pimp me into SG for years...

So agree with you there...I hope they stay away from the OTP's and ship in general. The fans are more than capable of filling in the blanks, reading between teh lines...and creating whole new ones heh.
Indeed. And if they do go there, I hope it's not Sheppard/Teyla. Not because I dislike Teyla (I don't, actually, I think she's cool), but because it seems like that's what they are setting up for - pretty leading woman and handsome leading man. I'd hope for something a little different here. I guess Sheppard/McKay is too much to ask for, despite the sheer amount of glee it'd bring me ;)

But I don't really go for the 'cute alien priestess of the week' scenario either. It usually makes for very one-dimensional, boring one-off characters. It takes away from their role in the story, their only function becoming that of making X Character look more attractive/desirable.
I'll defer to your superior SF watching skills here. You are probably right. I was just thinking of our boys (and the others) and hoping that they'd at least get a little romance ;) but not enough to actually impact their characters or their interaction with each other.

Sure they can be great foils (like Vala in SG), but in the case of Rodney and Shep...they have each other to gripe at.

There's enough banter there for 10 seasons...
One can only hope ;)

And woo! My 500th post! :D
Congratulations. I think I've only got about 485 to go to get there ;)

SaharaGate

May 3rd, 2005, 07:21 AM

If my friend A ever hears about this he'll gloat. He's been trying to pimp me into SG for years...

Why fight the inevitable heh :p

Indeed. And if they do go there, I hope it's not Sheppard/Teyla. Not because I dislike Teyla (I don't, actually, I think she's cool), but because it seems like that's what they are setting up for - pretty leading woman and handsome leading man. I'd hope for something a little different here.

I feel the same way about any potential ship with Teyla. While she's a cool character unto herself, pairing her off with Shep (to me) would take away from her charcter.

I guess Sheppard/McKay is too much to ask for, despite the sheer amount of glee it'd bring me ;)

Hmm can't see tptb obliging for that one.

Oddly enough, I get the impression that this is one of the most dominant pairings on SGA. For some reason, this pairing isn't as popular on Gateworld, and while I don't wander from Gaterworld all that often, when I do, it seems like McShep is everywhere. At least it seems to have a more than healthy dose of fanfic devoted to it on all the SGA archives I've checked out.

Wraithbait for example is bursting at the seams with McShep even though it doesn't appear to deliberately favour slash in any way and has plenty of gen and ship categories.

And some of the best vids (editing and concept wise) I've seen coming from this fandom (and i'm a little addicted to vids...I'll watch almost anything heh) have *all* been McShep friendship or slash.

I'll defer to your superior SF watching skills here. You are probably right. I was just thinking of our boys (and the others) and hoping that they'd at least get a little romance ;) but not enough to actually impact their characters or their interaction with each other.

My SF watching skills are actually quite inferior so feel free to completely disagree with my opinion lol.

I haven't even seen all the Starwars or Dr Who or even Star Trek.

My main dose of Sci Fi has always been Stargate, since it first started airing, and while I enjoy Sci Fi as a genre, I watch and read fairly widely...somehow I have managed to skip over the usual Sci Fi stuff (but will get there eventually).

As for our boys and romance...I suppose they deserve some now and then *grumble grumble*. :rolleyes:

As long as it's done well and is written to serve the story, not a story written to serve hte romance.

Congratulations. I think I've only got about 485 to go to get there ;)

Well it took me long enough ;)...I've been posting on this forum since the day Gateworld moved from the old forum and I'm *still* only just over 500.

No doubt you'll overtake me like all the other 'new' forum members heh.

SaharaGate

May 3rd, 2005, 07:36 AM

I agree, I love the Sheppard-McKay dynamic! I think their interaction is one of the main reasons I love the show! I love the banter, the love-hate relationship, and I think that since RDA is leaving next season and I therefore won't have my Jack-Daniel banter, Rodney-John banter is just as good!

Rodney-John banter is the core of the show for me :D

And yes, it's a nice substitute for Jack-Daniel (although substitute doesn't quite do them justice...they are an amazing pair unto themselves and can rival the Jack-Daniel banter dynamic any day).

So....*looks around the thread and realises it's quiet...too quiet*

Tell us your fav John-Rodney scenes/eps... :p

Just cause Gateworld has been down is no excuse people ;)

Easter Lily

May 4th, 2005, 01:49 AM

I don't mind a little romance for our boys... The Rodney-Allina thing was quite cute but I didn't buy the Sheppard-Chaya angle in any shape or form... Ship in Stargate worries me. It's pretty much hit and miss as far as I can tell. I can see some potential with regard to a couple of main cast members but I don't know how they are going to develop that relationship. I won't extrapolate... I'm not interested in starting ship wars anywhere. :D
I think the intention was for Shep to get all cozy with Teyla... at least that was my impression reading the Gateworld promos. But I really haven't seen even the slightest bit of UST between the aforementioned duo... If TPTB are thinking of going down that road, they will have to work extremely hard to be convincing. Or hire Joss Whedon... :p
As you've all said, I would hate to have any girly interference in their sparkling dynamic. It would be naive to think that adorable men such as Sheppard and Rodney will remain female free the entire time they roam the Pegasus galaxy. I doubt that a monastic life would suit either. ;)

What I think Stargate does very well though is male to male dynamic... I don't have anything slashy in mind... just the garden variety banter and mutual insults. That's why Shep and Rodney as a team is fabulous. However, I do think that the humour in Atlantis is somewhat different. I know someone made a comment earlier about the writers having had 7 years of experience with SG-1. That may be... but I still think that Shep and Rodney's relationship is quite different to that of Jack and Daniel or Jack and Teal'c or Daniel or Teal'c for that matter. The characters are different and the way they respond to each is quite different. Sheppard may be military but he is also a closet mathematical genius and also at least 15 years younger than Jack. So his response to Rodney is different. Shep and Rodney are peers... Shep doesn't put on the dumb act quite as much although I do think he is playful in his own way.

Easter Lily

May 4th, 2005, 02:24 AM

There's been a bit of discussion in the Sheppard discussion thread about Shep's initiation into the Stargate programme in Rising which reminded me of one of my favourite moments in the pilot. Ah the chair scene... love the control chair... I loved the look on Rodney's face when Shep intuitively enabled the constellation maps to appear overhead. "Did I do that?" Hehe... didn't Rodney look like a mixture of dismay, incredulity and envy?! The look said it all: Who was this upstart... who didn't know the first thing about the Stargate and yet could activate Ancient technology with such ease? Life is seriously unfair.

Here we have two guys who in many ways inhabit two different worlds. In the normal course of things they would probably never have met. But due to unusual circumstances, they are thrown together. It fascinates me that they go from little interaction to sibling rivalry. That gradual development is one of the most striking things about the first season.

aaobuttons

May 4th, 2005, 02:31 AM

One of my favorite moments is the Mensa bantering, especially the part at the end where Rodney invites Sheppard into the Atlantis branch of Mensa!

Easter Lily

May 4th, 2005, 02:36 AM

I love the Mensa moment too... It tickles the funny bone when Shep surprises Rodney... Hehe...

"Do you want to discuss this now?!"

Easter Lily

May 4th, 2005, 02:46 AM

My SF watching skills are actually quite inferior so feel free to completely disagree with my opinion lol.

I haven't even seen all the Starwars or Dr Who or even Star Trek.

My main dose of Sci Fi has always been Stargate, since it first started airing, and while I enjoy Sci Fi as a genre, I watch and read fairly widely...somehow I have managed to skip over the usual Sci Fi stuff (but will get there eventually).

You sound very *in hushed tones*.... young... ;)

I've even watched a few episodes of Blake's 7... :eek: But I'm not that old ;) ... My husband is a fan and we have the box set. I also have vague memories of Space 1999.
I grew up on scifi tv... thanks to my very radical father who still watches late night episodes of Star Trek and Dr Who reruns ... I've recently converted him to Firefly. :D

With my "vast" experience with scifi :p I can say that ship and scifi don't often go hand in hand... I'm not sure if it's just the writing or the fact that the genre doesn't lend itself to romantic fripperies... Firefly is a rare thing in that regard.

Dr Ingram

May 4th, 2005, 03:20 AM

Therein lies one problem I had with Sanctuary... TPTB made them hostile towards each other... it was all wrong. Hostility is so un-Rodney like... :eek:

I have to disagree i think the hostility between them was something that was inevitable. Yes their banter is humourious and genelrly their are just two big kids having a go at each other. But their is a potential for them to really butt heads.

It happened with Jack and Daniel for example in The Other Side in season four.

Personally them butting heads is something i would love to see more of and i don't think it would take anything away from the friendship that they have already established if anything i believe it will make it stronger.

But their relationship is by far the best on the show and it really makes me laugh when they get into their verbal matches. But i dod think they are more alike then they would like to believe. For example in Home when John's old friends turned up to me they didn't seem like the knid of people John would hang out with or get any real satisfaction from as friendship. John and Rodney are much more suited to each other as they are both smart people who want to get one over on each other but who are also really good friends. Like couples all good friends butt heads from time to time and if Rodney and John hadn't butted heads of Chya then it would have proven that neither of them did really care about the other one are what the other one thought of them.

Easter Lily

May 4th, 2005, 04:17 AM

I have to disagree i think the hostility between them was something that was inevitable. Yes their banter is humourious and genelrly their are just two big kids having a go at each other. But their is a potential for them to really butt heads.
It happened with Jack and Daniel for example in The Other Side in season four.
Personally them butting heads is something i would love to see more of and i don't think it would take anything away from the friendship that they have already established if anything i believe it will make it stronger.

Oh, I'm all for the butting of heads... if it doesn't end up in the cracking of skulls... :p Tension is okay but Rodney was downright hostile and I'm not for that. Rodney is too much of a pussy cat to be hostile... he is more bravado than anything else and for him to nag seems rather odd. He is irritable and irritating but to turn into the mother from hell was another thing.
Rodney and Sheppard can butt heads, lock horns or step on each others toes as much as they like but to see them becoming virulently condescending to each other... well, that's a whole different kettle of fish...

SaharaGate

May 4th, 2005, 09:18 AM

What I think Stargate does very well though is male to male dynamic... I don't have anything slashy in mind... just the garden variety banter and mutual insults. That's why Shep and Rodney as a team is fabulous. However, I do think that the humour in Atlantis is somewhat different. I know someone made a comment earlier about the writers having had 7 years of experience with SG-1. That may be... but I still think that Shep and Rodney's relationship is quite different to that of Jack and Daniel or Jack and Teal'c or Daniel or Teal'c for that matter. The characters are different and the way they respond to each is quite different. Sheppard may be military but he is also a closet mathematical genius and also at least 15 years younger than Jack. So his response to Rodney is different. Shep and Rodney are peers... Shep doesn't put on the dumb act quite as much although I do think he is playful in his own way.

I'm the one who made the comment about tptb having SG experience to draw from for the shep-mckay dynamic on SG...but I didn't mean that they were identical or anything.

I agree, Shep is a very, very different person to O'Neill. And Rodney isn't like Daniel at all. There is are similar 'sparks' though between them, and both pairs tend to irritate each other to no end.

But Rodney and Shep seem to have a lot more common ground than Jack and Daniel did in season 1.

Jack and Daniel had a shared traumatic experience from which to draw their friendship from.

Shep and Mckay are bonding in a more ordinary way (by playing in the sandpit ;))...sure they're in another galaxy and in constant peril, but it was an exciting mission, a choice, not etched with tragedy the way it was for Jack-Daniel (ie. the whole Sha'uri being taken as a host and Jack losing his son).

That alone makes for an entirely differnt dynamic between the two men.

But I do agree that the SG/A powers do male-male relationships really well. They are a joy to watch and intelligently written...I love that they aren't afriad to show geniuine affection between two 'confidently heterosexual' (allegedly :p ) men.

SaharaGate

May 4th, 2005, 09:25 AM

You sound very *in hushed tones*.... young... ;)

Well in Sci-fi watching terms I probably am and in real life...well yeah I turn 22 on Sunday :p

I've even watched a few episodes of Blake's 7... :eek: But I'm not that old ;) ... My husband is a fan and we have the box set. I also have vague memories of Space 1999.
I grew up on scifi tv... thanks to my very radical father who still watches late night episodes of Star Trek and Dr Who reruns ... I've recently converted him to Firefly. :D

With my "vast" experience with scifi :p I can say that ship and scifi don't often go hand in hand... I'm not sure if it's just the writing or the fact that the genre doesn't lend itself to romantic fripperies... Firefly is a rare thing in that regard.

See, one of the things I love about this fandom is that it's a catch-all for all ages and that you don't necessarily have to be a sci-fi buff to enjoy it.

With Atlantis has come an influx of new and younger fans and I think everyone is still testing the waters in this fandom...it helps to have wise leaders with creditable sci-fi obsession experience ;)

As far as romance goes...I tend to agree with u....it's not always appropriate in scifi.

But on the other hand, i like any c haracters i watch, sci fi or otherwise, to be fleshed out and to seem 'real'...and real people have relationships (romantic or otherwise), wants, needs, complications and are often inconsistent.

So i'm not against relationships in sci fi (after all, then we wouldn't have the lovely snarky dynamic between shep & mckay), i'm just a little wary of romance being done well...romance shouldn't be the focus but it also shouldn't be a sideline purely there for the thunk-value.

SaharaGate

May 4th, 2005, 09:31 AM

Oh, I'm all for the butting of heads... if it doesn't end up in the cracking of skulls... :p Tension is okay but Rodney was downright hostile and I'm not for that. Rodney is too much of a pussy cat to be hostile... he is more bravado than anything else and for him to nag seems rather odd. He is irritable and irritating but to turn into the mother from hell was another thing.
Rodney and Sheppard can butt heads, lock horns or step on each others toes as much as they like but to see them becoming virulently condescending to each other... well, that's a whole different kettle of fish...

Ahh but that's what made it so interesting - in fact that scene is what 'rescued' the ep for me overall.

The fact that Rodney was acting 'out of character' makes that scene all the more intriguing...it raises questions...why did he object to Chaya so much? Why did he care how Shep did or didn't feel for her? Didn't he trust Shep's judgement or his ability to keep the good of the city and the atlantis expedition at heart? Did he just mistrust Chaya's motives or was he resentful of Shep's easy acceptance of her?

I mean just cause she's hot doesn't mean she's nice :p

In real life, people act 'out of character' all the time and it usually points to something else going on underneath...

Now if only we could find out what was going through that genius head of his... :o

Easter Lily

May 4th, 2005, 07:40 PM

Ahh but that's what made it so interesting - in fact that scene is what 'rescued' the ep for me overall.

The fact that Rodney was acting 'out of character' makes that scene all the more intriguing...it raises questions...why did he object to Chaya so much? Why did he care how Shep did or didn't feel for her? Didn't he trust Shep's judgement or his ability to keep the good of the city and the atlantis expedition at heart? Did he just mistrust Chaya's motives or was he resentful of Shep's easy acceptance of her?

I mean just cause she's hot doesn't mean she's nice :p

In real life, people act 'out of character' all the time and it usually points to something else going on underneath...

Now if only we could find out what was going through that genius head of his... :o

To each their own... ;)
I didn't dislike Chaya but I didn't find her all that interesting either... Just a ship passing through the night... She wasn't blonde so I can't think it was jealousy. ;) I still think it was bizarre that Rodney was suddenly so intuitive about a female... that was really out of character... I thought one of the most lovable qualities about Rodney is that he is so dense about relationships and people... The brief flirtation with Allina was far more consistent with the Rodney that we know IMO.

Girl Clone

May 4th, 2005, 10:00 PM

I, too, thought Rodney's behaviour in "Sanctuary" was interesting. I think he was just really frustrated that Sheppard was not taking his concerns seriously. I mean, Chaya's weird energy readings and genetic perfection seemed to indicate she wasn't all that she appeared to be and Sheppard just seemed so unconcerned by that.

If I was Rodney I probably would've smacked him over the head ;) But I did love the whole Captain Kirk thing.

Dr Ingram

May 5th, 2005, 05:50 AM

Oh, I'm all for the butting of heads... if it doesn't end up in the cracking of skulls... :p Tension is okay but Rodney was downright hostile and I'm not for that. Rodney is too much of a pussy cat to be hostile... he is more bravado than anything else and for him to nag seems rather odd. He is irritable and irritating but to turn into the mother from hell was another thing.
Rodney and Sheppard can butt heads, lock horns or step on each others toes as much as they like but to see them becoming virulently condescending to each other... well, that's a whole different kettle of fish...

I here what your saying and yes Rodney was hostile, but he was angry that there was a potential to save lives and that Cheya was being completely unressionable. In his mind he never say it as something spiritual or religious that had saved them. To him it had to be an advanced weapon and when she wouldn't help that angered him. he had seen highlight spoiler Gaul killed by a Wraith and knew how horrible it could be and she refused to help save others.

When John was obvously in to her and trusting her I think it angered Rodney more because a) he wasn't taking Rodney's concerens seriously and b) that John was forgetting the fact that she could help people but wouldn't.

Easter Lily

May 6th, 2005, 03:33 PM

Oh I'm not saying that Rodney was not right to be angry... he was... In fact this episode illustrated to me what I detest about the Ascendants... Their whole non-interference policy has never sat well with me... but that's another story... :p

What I'm saying in effect is that the two men that we've come to respect and love turned into different creatures during this episode... all because of a woman who may or may not have malicious intent. Not only is it a tad cliched but cringeworthy. Sheppard lost all sense of military savvy and McKay turned into a nag...all in the space of 15 minutes. It was too much of a leap for me... Unless of course they were trying to suggest that she was some kind of enchantress... which is the grandmother and grandfather of all cliches. I accept the fact that she was lonely and in need of companionship but for Sheppard to throw all caution to the wind and then to require nursemaiding by Rodney is somewhat disturbing to my sensibilities. And strangely enough, :rolleyes: there was no explaination for it. My feeling about the episode is that it isn't meant to contribute to the Stargate universe but just one of the usual Star Trek tribute episodes... an excuse to throw in some Trek jokes. The fact that they have not revisited this scenario since or have no intention to do so in the near future strengthens my belief that this is just a once-off.

On the other hand, in The Defiant One, we see Rodney saving Sheppard's life because the moment required it. He did it reluctantly and was partly spurred on by Brendan's self-sacrificing gesture. It was a desperate moment. Rodney was still fearful but he knew he was the only one left to help. Yes, Rodney acted out of character in a desperate situation and we were shown why but fundamentally he acts out of fear. He is a reluctant hero and we see that time and time again.

watcher652

May 6th, 2005, 05:07 PM

Well, with GateWorld being up and down I just found this thread.

Therein lies one problem I had with Sanctuary... TPTB made them hostile towards each other... it was all wrong. Hostility is so un-Rodney like...I think hostility is very Rodney. He's just brimming with it. And he doesn't hide it. That's what makes him so fun to watch. You just wish you had the nerve to say what Rodney says all the time.

I really liked Sanctuary. I wasn't crazy about the actress who played Chaya, though. I think it would have had much more resonance if someone else played the character.

Well, I guess the rest of this has to be in spoilers.

I thought the episode was so much about Rodney. He's the ultimate scientist with the facts and figures. Everything can be explained. But with Chaya,
he didn't have any hard facts. He had intuition. He had a feeling something wasn't right. Having this feeling was so foreign to everyone's perception of Rodney, they wouldn't take him seriously. Having intuition was so foreign to Rodney, he couldn't explain it himself. He finally had to go and find some hard evidence to back himself up. But he wouldn't have gone after this evidence if he didn't feel so strongly about the unrightness of the situation in the first place.

Can you imagine the hurt and disappoinment Rodney felt? With John and Elizabeth, who only seemed to see the goodness in Chaya. With Chaya herself, someone who Rodney so wanted to learn from but who refused to tell them anything. Remember how excited he was in Hide and Seek when he was explaning Ascension to John? And there was all that knowledge that could potentially save Atlantis. Rodney was right, but he wishes he wasn't.

That argument between Rodney and John about Chaya was great for both their characters. Rodney learned to trust his feelings more. And maybe John learned that too.

The actual resolution was up to your imagination because the very next episode they semed back to their old selves again and we didn't see John and Rodney interact after John came back from Chaya's planet. (I swear the writers do that on purpose so we'd talk and think about the show after the episode airs).

Mistakes were made, but lessons were learned. Good friends can fight and have the friendship come out stronger. I love the bond that Rodney and John have developed.

SaharaGate

May 6th, 2005, 11:49 PM

What I'm saying in effect is that the two men that we've come to respect and love turned into different creatures during this episode... all because of a woman who may or may not have malicious intent. Not only is it a tad cliched but cringeworthy. Sheppard lost all sense of military savvy and McKay turned into a nag...all in the space of 15 minutes. It was too much of a leap for me...

I thought Shep's behaviour was rather cringe worthy too...he lost persepective.

Luckily, McKay was still on the ball ;) :p

I mean basically, Shep succumbed to a crush. Which isn't entirely out of character really, given his, um, appreciation of certain guest stars/extras.

He's a bit of a prat really (though a loveable one).

He flirts with just about anyone and everyone (not that the others don't, he just appears more practiced in the art). Seems he has a thing for nurses too. ;)

My feeling about the episode is that it isn't meant to contribute to the Stargate universe but just one of the usual Star Trek tribute episodes... an excuse to throw in some Trek jokes. The fact that they have not revisited this scenario since or have no intention to do so in the near future strengthens my belief that this is just a once-off.

I kinda got the same impression.

I think the purpose of the episode was to establish certain things about the Ancients for newcomers to the stargate universe. There really wasn't a whole lot of new information in it for those who have been watching SG.

What it does suggest though, is that Shep's ancient gene is a lot more 'developed' (lack of a better word) than any of the others. I thought it was interesting that Chaya said something along the lines of 'we are more alike than you think'.

I think we were supposed to feel that Shep has more of an affinity to the ancients than anybody we've met before in the SG/A universe, including Jack.

Unfortunately, the way it was done just made him out to be an incorrigible flirt...

On the other hand, in The Defiant One, we see Rodney saving Sheppard's life because the moment required it. He did it reluctantly and was partly spurred on by Brendan's self-sacrificing gesture. It was a desperate moment. Rodney was still fearful but he knew he was the only one left to help. Yes, Rodney acted out of character in a desperate situation and we were shown why but fundamentally he acts out of fear. He is a reluctant hero and we see that time and time again.

I think that's what made that moment so strong, and cemented their respect, admiration and affection for each other for me. Rodney, to me, is the biggest hero on Atlantis simply because it such an unaccostomed role for him.

He was afraid and unconfident in his own ability but he just couldn't let Shep face the Wraith alone without *doing* something, even if he thought he lacked the skills to make a difference.

It was also a very tragic episode, especially for Rodney. I think it really woke him up to the intensity of their situation and made him realise how much he cared about the people he now lives and works with.

I would have loved to know what the long jumper-ride home was like.

Easter Lily

May 6th, 2005, 11:58 PM

I just want to say how much I appreciate this thread... it's so nice to be able to disagree with people in a civilized manner.

*hugs thread*

SaharaGate

May 7th, 2005, 12:01 AM

Well, with GateWorld being up and down I just found this thread.

I think hostility is very Rodney. He's just brimming with it. And he doesn't hide it. That's what makes him so fun to watch. You just wish you had the nerve to say what Rodney says all the time.

I really liked Sanctuary. I wasn't crazy about the actress who played Chaya, though. I think it would have had much more resonance if someone else played the character.

Sanctuary isn't one of my fav episodes, but I do like it for the Rodney/Shep angst.

I agree about Chaya, except for me I don't think it was the actress, it was the whole concept of the character.

I thought the episode was so much about Rodney. He's the ultimate scientist with the facts and figures. Everything can be explained. But with Chaya,
he didn't have any hard facts. He had intuition. He had a feeling something wasn't right. Having this feeling was so foreign to everyone's perception of Rodney, they wouldn't take him seriously. Having intuition was so foreign to Rodney, he couldn't explain it himself. He finally had to go and find some hard evidence to back himself up. But he wouldn't have gone after this evidence if he didn't feel so strongly about the unrightness of the situation in the first place.

Can you imagine the hurt and disappoinment Rodney felt? With John and Elizabeth, who only seemed to see the goodness in Chaya. With Chaya herself, someone who Rodney so wanted to learn from but who refused to tell them anything. Remember how excited he was in Hide and Seek when he was explaning Ascension to John? And there was all that knowledge that could potentially save Atlantis. Rodney was right, but he wishes he wasn't.

That argument between Rodney and John about Chaya was great for both their characters. Rodney learned to trust his feelings more. And maybe John learned that too.

I think you really nailed it there. :D

The episode really was a a John-Rodney episode, about the chinks in their relationship.

Just the fact that we're all still discussing it speaks to the fact that it did interesting things with their interaction. I think this just makes them multi-dimensional...and it's only season 1. We don't know these men and women as well as we know 8th-season SG1.

Granted, many find it hard to resolve their behaviour in Sanctuary with our ideas of their characters so far.

Although for Slashers the reading is an easy one: Rodney was jealous :p

Personally, I'm hoping to see more of John and Rodney clashing because I don't feel I understand it enough. What exactly is it that makes them best of friends one minute, and ready to strangle (or shoot ;)) each other the next?

The actual resolution was up to your imagination because the very next episode they semed back to their old selves again and we didn't see John and Rodney interact after John came back from Chaya's planet. (I swear the writers do that on purpose so we'd talk and think about the show after the episode airs).

I felt so jipped by that. I wanted to know how they resolved it...though if I was writing it, I'd probably do exactly the same thing heh.

I can imagine only two ways it would have happened:

1. They blurt out a quick and painless apology (like tearing off a bandaid since neither of them do the 'I may, possibly, have not been entirely in the right' admission thing well) and promptly find some alien tech to play with.

2. No apologies, just an awkward, moody silence, then promptly finding some alien tech to play with :p

Easter Lily

May 7th, 2005, 12:10 AM

It was also a very tragic episode, especially for Rodney. I think it really woke him up to the intensity of their situation and made him realise how much he cared about the people he now lives and works with.

I would have loved to know what the long jumper-ride home was like.

That's something I have wondered about... how Rodney coped with Brendan's death and if Sheppard knew about it. I don't think I have liked Rodney more than at that moment when Brendan insists that he goes and helps Sheppard and Rodney adamantly persists on staying. It was very touching... Rodney pretending not to care and yet very concerned.

I like the title The Defiant One... it sort of begs the question doesn't it?... Who is the defiant one...? Evidently on one level, it refers to the Wraith... but then it could refer to Sheppard and even on a bizarre level, the episode could signal an initiation for Rodney as well.

SaharaGate

May 7th, 2005, 12:51 AM

That's something I have wondered about... how Rodney coped with Brendan's death and if Sheppard knew about it. I don't think I have liked Rodney more than at that moment when Brendan insists that he goes and helps Sheppard and Rodney adamantly persists on staying. It was very touching... Rodney pretending not to care and yet very concerned.

Well Sheppard would have to know about it, but I don't think Rodney would have told him.

At least not in the 'I just saw someone kill himself and I'm not sure how I'm feeling right now' way.

As much as Rodney is very self-indulgent when it comes to physical discomfort or trauma, I think he would shrink away from talking about emotional trauma with a friend, especially Shep.

He's slowly starting to let down those prickly defences we saw in his SG appearances, but talking about something like that is just a little more than I think he could handle.

Like somebody else said, Rodney is very emotionally transparent, but he doesn't really choose to be...he just isn't good at hiding his initial responses to things, or bluffing.

Talking about Brendan's death would probably scare the heck out of Rodney...it would be a very intimate, private thing.

All of which is just my long winded way of saying that I think Shep knows, in hindsight, from the reports, what happened to Brendan, but I don't think he's heard it from Rodney's lips.

I like the title The Defiant One... it sort of begs the question doesn't it?... Who is the defiant one...? Evidently on one level, it refers to the Wraith... but then it could refer to Sheppard and even on a bizarre level, the episode could signal an initiation for Rodney as well.

Hmm I've never thought of it that way...good point! :)

The title has always reminded me of the Goa'uld for some reason...you know, all the 'punish them for their insolence/impudence/defiance' etc.

But I like your interpretation...that was a huge episode for Rodney and Sheppard both.

SaharaGate

May 7th, 2005, 01:45 AM

I just want to say how much I appreciate this thread... it's so nice to be able to disagree with people in a civilized manner.

*hugs thread*

Heh, glad you're enjoying the thead.

And keep disagreeing with me...it's fun :D

Hmm..I think this thread is missing one thing though...pics of our boys!

*runs off to find Sanctuary caps*

SaharaGate

May 7th, 2005, 02:01 AM

Here we go, some Sanctuary caps.

They're kinda sad though :(

Poor Rodney :o

Shep doesn't look happy when Rodney catches up with him...wonder why?
http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/caps/1sanct.jpg

Shep's surprised and annoyed that Rodney is pushing the issue
http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/caps/6sanct.jpg

Rodney - gets angry and refuses to be brushed off
http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/caps/7sanct.jpg

Shep gets even angrier and steps in threateningly
http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/caps/3sanct.jpg

Rodney -'Uh oh...angry major in my personal space...how'd that happen?' :rolleyes:
http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/caps/5sanct.jpg

Rodney looking bereft and confused after Shep stalks off :(
http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/caps/2sanct.jpg

But by the time Brotherhood comes around, all is well again.

Rodney horrified at the thought of Shep's possible death and feeling powerless because he can't help. His 'I'm sorry' is so heartbreaking :o
http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/caps/Brotherhood.jpg

*See*

They DO care. :D

Later:

Rod: I can't believe you never mentioned the Mensa thing!
Shep: I took the test. I never joined
Rod: But you passed?
Shep: Yes
Rod: Well you know we have a chapter on atlantis...you could become an hon (sounds like he was gonna say 'honorary member' heh)
Shep: Rodney...Rodney, up the rope!

:D:D:D

Easter Lily

May 7th, 2005, 02:05 AM

SaharaGate

May 7th, 2005, 02:20 AM

Of course they do... :D
Because underneathe all the barbs... they have a lot of respect for each other.

But I'm glad that Sheppard got himself out of this one... that he's got the brains as well as the brawns... that he doesn't need to depend on Rodney for all the thinking the way another team leader seems to...

Yes, that's true.

Love that it's not that Shep doesn't have the smarts, it's just he doesn't have the kind of science/math training and experience that Rodney does.

Not that O'Neill was ever dumb...he just liked to play it that way.

Shep kinda does the same thing...he doesn't advertise the fact that he's brainy (he never even joined Mensa, or mentioned that he took the test) but people figure it out anyway.

But he never, ever, plays dumb or acts as if he doesn't understand something the way O'Neill does.

watcher652

May 7th, 2005, 11:03 AM

We really should move this discussion over to the Sanctuary episode thread, we're talking so much about it! :)

The actual resolution was up to your imagination because the very next episode they semed back to their old selves again and we didn't see John and Rodney interact after John came back from Chaya's planet. (I swear the writers do that on purpose so we'd talk and think about the show after the episode airs).
I felt so jipped by that. I wanted to know how they resolved it...though if I was writing it, I'd probably do exactly the same thing heh.

I can imagine only two ways it would have happened:

1. They blurt out a quick and painless apology (like tearing off a bandaid since neither of them do the 'I may, possibly, have not been entirely in the right' admission thing well) and promptly find some alien tech to play with.

2. No apologies, just an awkward, moody silence, then promptly finding some alien tech to play with :pHow about this?

John maneuvers the Puddle Jumper back thru the 'Gate. He docks the Jumper in the bay and slowly exits. Rodney is waiting, arms crossed over his chest, back stiff.

"Well?" Rodney demands, glaring at John.
"You were right." John gives Rodney a sideways look.
"I'm always right!" Rodney snaps back automatically. He pauses, uncrossing his arms. "Sometimes it sucks that I'm right, but that's just the way it is."
"Yeah, I guess I'll have to remember that."
"Don't worry, I'll alway be here to remind you when you forget."

The two men look at each other. A beat, then another.

John tilts his head toward the bay doors and Rodney nods once. They silently turn and walk out together.

Easter Lily

May 7th, 2005, 05:28 PM

As much as Rodney is very self-indulgent when it comes to physical discomfort or trauma, I think he would shrink away from talking about emotional trauma with a friend, especially Shep.

<snip>

Like somebody else said, Rodney is very emotionally transparent, but he doesn't really choose to be...he just isn't good at hiding his initial responses to things, or bluffing.

I can't disagree there ... RATS... :D

Yeah, I don't see Rodney spilling his guts to Shep or anyone about his emotional dramas... We saw in The Gift that he was quite embarassed about being in the resident shrinks office and tried to fudge his way through.
It's rather amusing seeing Rodney bemoaning impending death in Hide and Seek, looking for sympathy at every quarter. On the surface it's sympathy he wants but sharing his innermost thoughts is probably a tad too close to home.

But Shep (and perhaps Weir) seems to understand Rodney pretty well. Everyone gives him dirty looks or rolls his eyes after one of his bouts of boasting but Shep knows how to take him down a peg or two. :D We see that in Thirty-Eight Minutes Rodney shouting about being "screwed" and Shep, incapacitated yells out, "Don't talk to me about being screwed" and Rodney's demeanour changes to one of anger to one of shame in those few seconds. Another Rodney deflating moment is when our favourite science team leader complains that everyone expects him to be "superman" and then Shep says something to the effect of "Did we really think that?"

SaharaGate

May 9th, 2005, 02:55 AM

How about this?

John maneuvers the Puddle Jumper back thru the 'Gate. He docks the Jumper in the bay and slowly exits. Rodney is waiting, arms crossed over his chest, back stiff.

"Well?" Rodney demands, glaring at John.
"You were right." John gives Rodney a sideways look.
"I'm always right!" Rodney snaps back automatically. He pauses, uncrossing his arms. "Sometimes it sucks that I'm right, but that's just the way it is."
"Yeah, I guess I'll have to remember that."
"Don't worry, I'll alway be here to remind you when you forget."

The two men look at each other. A beat, then another.

John tilts his head toward the bay doors and Rodney nods once. They silently turn and walk out together.

Nicely done! :)

If only that happened on the show :rolleyes:.

There's a thought....do you suppose Rodney will be pissed at Shep for Siege the way he ran off in Siege to man the doomed Jumper? I mean 'So long Rodney' wasn't much of a goodbye and he barely gave Rodney a chance to fix the problem. I think Shep is very quick to risk his own life, even if he did say in Childhood's end that it would be 'really really necessary' before he'd give his life...not that it didn't seem necessary in Siege.

I wonder if there will be a 'yay! Shep's not dead!' scene?

Because I want one. I really, really want one. :o:p

SaharaGate

May 9th, 2005, 03:03 AM

I can't disagree there ... RATS... :D

lol!

That's ok

Everyone is entitled to my opinion :p

But Shep (and perhaps Weir) seems to understand Rodney pretty well. Everyone gives him dirty looks or rolls his eyes after one of his bouts of boasting but Shep knows how to take him down a peg or two. :D We see that in Thirty-Eight Minutes Rodney shouting about being "screwed" and Shep, incapacitated yells out, "Don't talk to me about being screwed" and Rodney's demeanour changes to one of anger to one of shame in those few seconds. Another Rodney deflating moment is when our favourite science team leader complains that everyone expects him to be "superman" and then Shep says something to the effect of "Did we really think that?"

Yes I *love* that about their relationship. It works both ways...neither of them fall for each other's crap and it just seems they know exactly how to take each other.

Shep has a great way of bolstering Rodney when he needs it (Suspcion) and deflating him like the times you mentioned.

And (sorry to go back to this ep yet again) even if their argument in Sanctuary seemed a bit off or wasn't quite pleasant to watch, it did at least show that Rodney is quite happy (ok not happy exactly, but u know what i mean) to tell Shep to his face when he thinks he's in the wrong and/or being a jerk.

Like you said (I think?), they are both intelligent men. They are both heros in their own way and while they depend on each other, they don't rely on each other to fill certain roles exclusively like on SG1 where Daniel only did culture, Sam only did technobabble, Jack always looked confused for a bit then made the tough decision and Teal'c either 'concured' or 'indeed'ed.

I think there is more room for these charactesr to grow than there was for early SG1...SG1 were already more than competent in their fields...there is more of a 'fish out of water' feel to Atlantis, especially with McKay and Shep.

John_Sheppard

May 9th, 2005, 03:19 AM

Awww, these 2 make such good mates don't they.

I'm gonna post some pics, onlu cause I've been doing it everywhere else tonight:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Padfoot_002/gift285.jpg

And my personal fav:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Padfoot_002/johnmckay4.jpg

does this mean I get green points Sahara?

Easter Lily

May 9th, 2005, 03:25 AM

I think there is more room for these charactesr to grow than there was for early SG1...SG1 were already more than competent in their fields...there is more of a 'fish out of water' feel to Atlantis, especially with McKay and Shep.

This is one of the reasons why I really like Atlantis... the characters are not as pigeonholed as they are in SG1... SG1 certainly is much more like Trek:TNG, where everyone has their designated role and can be relied on to fulfill those roles in every episode. But in Atlantis... everything's a little topsy turvy because the circumstances dictate what these roles should be... I notice in many of the threads posters saying that Weir, for instance, should don her negotiator hat more often... that perhaps Sheppard should do more military stuff, standback and let Weir do her stuff... While that might have been more neat and tidy... it certainly would not have given the characters the enormous learning curve that they have had to overcome. And it does add to the urgency of the whole situation too. I'm not against Sheppard being the military hotshot... I loved The Eye... but I think that his having to be that and do some wheeling and dealing has made his character much more interesting. The fact that he hasn't always done it perfectly... makes it twice as interesting. The same goes for Rodney... one minute he is prattling off some technobabble, the next he's having to use firearms and even saving Sheppard's life.

SaharaGate

May 9th, 2005, 04:30 AM

Awww, these 2 make such good mates don't they.

I'm gonna post some pics, onlu cause I've been doing it everywhere else tonight:

And my personal fav:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Padfoot_002/johnmckay4.jpg

Ooooh that's one of my favs too!

Isn't that when they are discussing living quarters??

Did anybody else wonder why they would be figuring out which part of the city they wanna live in?

Didn't they already have quarters by this stage?? :confused:

SaharaGate

May 9th, 2005, 04:39 AM

This is one of the reasons why I really like Atlantis... the characters are not as pigeonholed as they are in SG1...

SNIP

I notice in many of the threads posters saying that Weir, for instance, should don her negotiator hat more often... that perhaps Sheppard should do more military stuff, standback and let Weir do her stuff... While that might have been more neat and tidy... it certainly would not have given the characters the enormous learning curve that they have had to overcome. And it does add to the urgency of the whole situation too.

I agree, I'd rather have all the characters be a little off, to have them not quite live up to their role sometimes, yet excel in unexpected areas at others.

So far, that's exactly what we've got...Shep doesn't always make great leadership decisions. He is still struggling with the whole command thing, which is why in LFP he says that he wishes colonel sumner was still there...he never wanted this job, this responsibility, but will do it as best he can. But he's not perfect at it by a long, long shot.

I'm not against Sheppard being the military hotshot... I loved The Eye... but I think that his having to be that and do some wheeling and dealing has made his character much more interesting. The fact that he hasn't always done it perfectly... makes it twice as interesting. The same goes for Rodney... one minute he is prattling off some technobabble, the next he's having to use firearms and even saving Sheppard's life.

Agreed.

Shep has great instincts (and training) for that kind of thing, but not so much when it comes to people/negotiation.

Rodney certainly lacks some people skills too (another point in which they are similar :p).

Remember also that while Shep may be the military commander, Atlantis is a very unique mix of military and non-military. He doesn't have the strong command structure to fall back on that he would on earth - even if it was something he rebelled against. But in the close-knit Atlantis community, he (as well as Weir) has to earn respect for his leadership, even from his supposed subordinates (even Bates openly questions him).

He can't just assume that people will respect his position because of rank (and his rank isn't that high anyway).

Rodney is one of those people whose respect he has to earn and I think it's obvious he has...I think Rodney would always trust Shep's judgement, no matter how much they disgree and argue over the mundane.

But does Shep entirely trust in Rodney's abilities yet??

GatetheWay

May 9th, 2005, 08:37 AM

Merlin7

May 9th, 2005, 12:04 PM

Cory Holmes

May 9th, 2005, 03:57 PM

Sheppard doesn't really trust anyone to do their jobs properly, hence his behaviour in Hot Zone, where he did his thing instead of sitting back and letting the scientists and doctors do their thing.

SaharaGate

May 9th, 2005, 06:19 PM

I think Shep has total and complete respect for Rodney. He totally followed Rodney's calls in HOT ZONE. He and Rodney worked as a team in BROTHERHOOD. Rodney trusts Shep in the field, and Shep trust Rodney to FIX things. Like he said in STORM. He totally expected Rodney to come up with the answer.

In Siege it wasn't about trust. They were running out of time. Someone else can sit in the chair if neccessary, Rodney himself. But who else was going to fly that jumper in and Weir was asking where it was. Or was it Everett? Everett I think. Anyway..Time had run out.

I agree that in Siege, for Shep it was about a perceived lack of time. But he did seem awfully quick to risk his own skin, and like Rodney said, 'You let Sheppard fly that Jumper?'.

It's obvious Rodney didn't know (or didn't want to think about) where Shep was running off to and also obvious that if Shep risked his life and lost it, but in the process they lifted the siege, Atlantis would have lost one of the most vital people on the expedition - the way he can use his gene alone makes him invaluable, not to mention his overall awesomeness ;)

Sheppard doesn't really trust anyone to do their jobs properly, hence his behaviour in Hot Zone, where he did his thing instead of sitting back and letting the scientists and doctors do their thing.

That's probably true actually.

I think Shep is really still learning to trust his team. He seemed to trust Teyla straight away, but I would argue that he has shown a history of automatically trusting attractive women :p. But with Teyla too, he doesn't always trust her judgement at all - like in The Gift where they are basically at odds about the situation the whole time (love that Teyla, and everyone else, stands up to Shep...again it's cause his orders aren't always followed automatically).

He has certainly had a slow and hard time of learning to Trust in Weir's leadership abilities. Even though he balks at the military command structure sometimes, he also relies heavily on it.

Hmm maybe that's it. Sheppard is quick to trust people personally, quick to believe they have geniune and good intentions, but can't trust anybody to do the job except himself.

It's his way, or no way sometimes.

He does trust Rodney to do his job...but that's all. His job. Scientist. Figure things out. Numbers. Calculations. Probabilities.

And he's not afraid to have a crack at everybody else's job too, including Rodney's :p (which I love).

Merlin7

May 9th, 2005, 06:23 PM

Sheppard doesn't really trust anyone to do their jobs properly, hence his behaviour in Hot Zone, where he did his thing instead of sitting back and letting the scientists and doctors do their thing.

Actually..that's not true. Shep stayed in the gym until RODNEY said someone needs to stop PETERSON. THEN John overrode WEIR. He totally obeyed Rodney's decisions from that moment on That was the interesting thing about that ep. He obeyed RODNEY over worrying about Weir. Shep and Rodney figured out how to save the day together.

And Shep in STORM totally believed Rodney would save the day.
Did the same in SIEGE
Comments of the same in GIFT. Sheppard totally trusts in the scientists. That's one of the cool things about him.

SaharaGate

May 9th, 2005, 06:29 PM

McKay may trust in Sheppard's judgement but he also never hesitates to put forth his opinions as seen The Defiant One when he thought getting seperated was a bad idea.

But I think there is a question of if Shep entirely trust's McKays judgement. When has Sheppard given McKay the benifit of the doubt on some far out idea. In the Storm Sheppard seemed confident in McKay to coming up with a solution to saving the city. But then again in the Seige Sheppard didn't even wait for McKay to try to fix the problem and he instantly drew the conclusion that he couldn't do it. So what happened between the Storm and the Seige to make Sheppard loose faith in McKay. This questioning of McKay's abilities by Sheppard may come back into play in Season 2 or I may just be reading too much into it.

I don't think it's a case of Shep not trusting McKay, but of Shep wanting to take all responsibility onto himself - yet at the same time he's reluctant about his role :S.

He trusts in Mckay's abilities, but when it comes to real risk, to taking action, he wants to take on the task himself.

The only real time he completely railroaded Mckay's opinion was in Sanctuary (there's that ep again :rolleyes:). He didn't give McKay's misgivings the time of day.

But then again, McKay was being deliberately aggravating - to a degree more than his usual level of aggravating - and very culturally insensitive right from the beginning.

But until then, Shep seemed to be used to that from Rodney...

SaharaGate

May 9th, 2005, 06:33 PM

Actually..that's not true. Shep stayed in the gym until RODNEY said someone needs to stop PETERSON. THEN John overrode WEIR. He totally obeyed Rodney's decisions from that moment on That was the interesting thing about that ep. He obeyed RODNEY over worrying about Weir. Shep and Rodney figured out how to save the day together.

Hey that's true, I'd forgotten about that.

I think Shep was feeling really, really angsty about not being in the thick of the situation. He can't stand back, he has to take action - hence his dash for death in Siege.

And Shep in STORM totally believed Rodney would save the day.
Did the same in SIEGE
Comments of the same in GIFT. Sheppard totally trusts in the scientists. That's one of the cool things about him.

Agreed. He trusts in the scientist to be scientists. But he trusts in himself to take action when he decides science or negotiation or whatever has failed.

John_Sheppard

May 9th, 2005, 11:52 PM

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/Padfoot_002/pushsmall.jpg

Ahahahahahahahaha *wipes away a tear* Man I love that scene.

Best Shep and Kay buddy moment ever.

Easter Lily

May 10th, 2005, 03:20 AM

Ah... John... I love that pic... looks even better in slow mo...
*wipes tears from eyes*

Hide and Seek didn't have much in the way of action but we get to see glimpses of both characters and more interaction between the two men. My feeling about Rodney in this episode was that he was more worried about starving to death than actually dying and I suspect that Shep thought the same as well. Rodney did the petulant, sulking number to great effect and all his fears came to the fore. His primary concern, unsurprisingly, was for himself. We see Sheppard, on the other hand, interacting with various people... doing the rounds as babysitter, entertainer, football enthusiast, protector and ranking military officer. Again, his role as the man of action is being highlighted. He is, in short, extremely busy.
So when Rodney collapses the first time from "manly hunger", he suspects, as we do, that Rodney has fainted mostly from fear. He calls it as he sees it... but at the end when Rodney takes the uncharacteristically brave step of putting himself at risk, Shep demonstrates his new found respect for Rodney by saying that he "passed out" and his actions were the equivalent of a "hail Mary".

John_Sheppard

May 10th, 2005, 03:41 AM

Good to see somebody else appreciates fine scene work here. And yeah, it is good in slow-mo. That is definitelly the funniest Atlantis scene. Haven't seen many Sheppard Kay scenes lately. But I know theres a few coming up, will look for it!

watcher652

May 11th, 2005, 09:12 AM

Easter Lily

May 12th, 2005, 04:20 AM

Well, if we're talking about buddy moments...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0103%20Hide%20And%20Seek/0103HideAndSeek0320826edit.jpg

While these were separate shots, one after the other, in Hide and Seek, I put them side by side to show what Elizabeth was seeing when she looked at her head of sciences and her head of the military after that shield test. She must have been wondering what she got herself into.

Very cute... Watcher... entirely comical as well...

I think it speaks volumes about the character of these two men. With all the demands and stress of their respective roles, I suspect that they are grownup boys at heart. This is another reason why the dynamic works so beautifully because they do in effect enjoy one another's company. Of course the banter and the jocular facade do mask some hidden aspects of their personalities but it does remind us that in spite of the urgency of their situation, they still have time to bond through the trading of insults and other unexpected Pegasus galaxy style craziness.

Girl Clone

May 16th, 2005, 04:42 PM

Well, if we're talking about buddy moments...

That was a fabulous picture, Watcher, I might borrow it for my desktop.

And 4 days of no posts in this thread! I'm working like a mad thing at the moment people, I'm relying on you all to keep me entertained with McKay and Sheppard love and banter and pictures and reminders of their interaction.

I watched the first few minutes of The Defiant One again the other day, I just love Sheppard teaching McKay how to drive ;)

Porthos1013

May 16th, 2005, 07:46 PM

Well, if we're talking about buddy moments...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0103%20Hide%20And%20Seek/0103HideAndSeek0320826edit.jpg

While these were separate shots, one after the other, in Hide and Seek, I put them side by side to show what Elizabeth was seeing when she looked at her head of sciences and her head of the military after that shield test. She must have been wondering what she got herself into.

That's a great shot! I can almost hear Elizabeth's inner thoughts: "Dear Lord, give me strength to endure the trials I see ahead of me..."

I, too, am a fan of the Rodney-John buddy interactions. I think the ways they respond to each other highlights special parts of their personalities that we wouldn't normally see. I think John is probably Rodney's first real "friend" and I doubt John lets people get really close to him either. (After all, he did enjoy Antarctica because it was far away from people.) Anyway, I'm looking forward to some more John-Rodney friendship in Season 2! :D

SaharaGate

May 17th, 2005, 02:58 AM

And 4 days of no posts in this thread! I'm working like a mad thing at the moment people, I'm relying on you all to keep me entertained with McKay and Sheppard love and banter and pictures and reminders of their interaction.

I watched the first few minutes of The Defiant One again the other day, I just love Sheppard teaching McKay how to drive ;)

*looks guilty*

Damn RL getting in the way of Shep-Mckay appreciation.

I've had a horrible week at uni trying to sort out hard drive issues so we can finish our short film.

Had to recapture all of our shots last night thanks to the uni's spectacularly inadequate Lanshare drive - I mean really, 10GB...that's nowhere near enough.

And what kind of editing program doesn't let you reassign file paths?? Avid. that's what. :(

And I just got a phone call to say that it won't play the files even after recapturing. Grrrrr.

So I better say something about Shep and Rodney while I have the chance. Hmm....

Shep's hot!

Rodney's cute!

What more could we want in a show?

(Ok so I'm not feeling very eloquent today :o)

SaharaGate

May 17th, 2005, 03:02 AM

That's a great shot! I can almost hear Elizabeth's inner thoughts: "Dear Lord, give me strength to endure the trials I see ahead of me..."
It's a great shot! So cute, so very *them*.

*shouts* Thanks Watcher!

I, too, am a fan of the Rodney-John buddy interactions. I think the ways they respond to each other highlights special parts of their personalities that we wouldn't normally see. I think John is probably Rodney's first real "friend" and I doubt John lets people get really close to him either. (After all, he did enjoy Antarctica because it was far away from people.) Anyway, I'm looking forward to some more John-Rodney friendship in Season 2! :D

I agree about them not being particularly 'people' people. Hmm. That sounds very odd. But you know what I mean lol.

I'm as interested in the way they struggle to have a meaningful friendship as I am in their easy, antagonistic banter.

SaharaGate

May 17th, 2005, 03:24 AM

Very cute... Watcher... entirely comical as well...

I think it speaks volumes about the character of these two men. With all the demands and stress of their respective roles, I suspect that they are grownup boys at heart. This is another reason why the dynamic works so beautifully because they do in effect enjoy one another's company. Of course the banter and the jocular facade do mask some hidden aspects of their personalities but it does remind us that in spite of the urgency of their situation, they still have time to bond through the trading of insults and other unexpected Pegasus galaxy style craziness.

I'd say Rodney is a child genius who never grew up and Shep...Shep's just a child. A very intelligent, naughty child ;).

Who do you think ruled the sandpit in school? :p

I bet Rodney always used to cry to get his way and hogged all the toys. And Shep could probably pull off the most beastly pranks with a pixie-grin. I bet he was the naughty kid the teachers secretly adored ;)

Porthos1013

May 17th, 2005, 06:44 AM

I'd say Rodney is a child genius who never grew up and Shep...Shep's just a child. A very intelligent, naughty child ;).

Who do you think ruled the sandpit in school? :p

I bet Rodney always used to cry to get his way and hogged all the toys. And Shep could probably pull off the most beastly pranks with a pixie-grin. I bet he was the naughty kid the teachers secretly adored ;)

lol! Oh my goodness, I can totally see that! I can only imagine what parent-teacher conferences must have been like...Rodney McKay: does not play well with others. :p:D

Merlin7

May 17th, 2005, 12:00 PM

I'd say Rodney is a child genius who never grew up and Shep...Shep's just a child. A very intelligent, naughty child ;).

Who do you think ruled the sandpit in school? :p

I bet Rodney always used to cry to get his way and hogged all the toys. And Shep could probably pull off the most beastly pranks with a pixie-grin. I bet he was the naughty kid the teachers secretly adored ;)

I think you pegged them both right. Although as a kid I'm betting Rodney used his GENIUS to get what he wanted. Sneaky Bird. And Shep used his smarts too, then just smiled angelically and every female adult swooned and declared him too angelic to be naughty. They played to their strengths! LOL

ToasterOnFire

May 17th, 2005, 12:48 PM

I watched the first few minutes of The Defiant One again the other day, I just love Sheppard teaching McKay how to drive ;)
That scene always cracks me up:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/smart_p3anut/def.jpg
SHEPPARD: Try to fly the “baby” in a straight line.
McKAY: I am flying in a straight line.
SHEPPARD: Not so much.
:D

It was mentioned in Childhood's End that Rodney had a 5 minute lesson (presumably from Shep) on how to fly the PJ. I wonder if that scene was ever planned to be filmed or was and ended up on the cutting room floor. Funny, funny stuff there.

knocknashee

May 17th, 2005, 12:57 PM

That scene always cracks me up:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/smart_p3anut/def.jpg
SHEPPARD: Try to fly the “baby” in a straight line.
McKAY: I am flying in a straight line.
SHEPPARD: Not so much.
:D

It was mentioned in Childhood's End that Rodney had a 5 minute lesson (presumably from Shep) on how to fly the PJ. I wonder if that scene was ever planned to be filmed or was and ended up on the cutting room floor. Funny, funny stuff there.

That scene cracks me up big time as well. That and them both bouncing off each other when trying to convince Weir checking out the Wraith ship is a good idea.

Since we're into pics as well...here's a personal fave...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/Knocknashee/Atlantis/at064.jpg

Easter Lily

May 17th, 2005, 01:21 PM

killer_tinkerbell

May 17th, 2005, 01:54 PM

Easter Lily

May 17th, 2005, 02:18 PM

In short, I think he thought having a scientist on board would be a helpful addition seeing that their role was to find ZPMs. Rodney would have the technical know-how and could potentially play a significant role in tracking them down.
Of course... no scifi team is ever complete without a scientist... ;)

SaharaGate

May 17th, 2005, 05:42 PM

lol! Oh my goodness, I can totally see that! I can only imagine what parent-teacher conferences must have been like...Rodney McKay: does not play well with others. :p:D

LOL!

I bet the teachers were baffled when he got straight A's despite not being a 'team player' heh.

SaharaGate

May 17th, 2005, 05:44 PM

I think you pegged them both right. Although as a kid I'm betting Rodney used his GENIUS to get what he wanted. Sneaky Bird. And Shep used his smarts too, then just smiled angelically and every female adult swooned and declared him too angelic to be naughty. They played to their strengths! LOL

lol

I think you're right.

Now what would have happened if the naughty angel and the naughty genius were put in the same room :p

I bet Rodney would have made John cry and John would have been all like 'what the? *I'm* the king of the sandpit'...

SaharaGate

May 17th, 2005, 05:51 PM

SaharaGate

May 17th, 2005, 05:56 PM

What I don't get is why DID Sheppard choose McKay to be on his team? I understand why he picked Ford and Teyla he had freindly interations with them and was in battle with them in the pilot. But compared to Ford and Teyla there was very little interation between Sheppard and McKay in the begining.

The Rising ends with Weir telling Sheppard to choose his team and then next ep. McKay is suddenly on the team. Why? Was it just Sheppard needing to choose a sceintist and he happened to choose McKay or what? I'd really like to hear your theories. :)

Hmm there's probably a story in that (no doubt there are fics about it). I would love to see the 'missing scene' where Shep asks Rodney to be on the team.

I bet Rodney, on the surface, would have thought 'of *course* the military commander of Atlantis wants me on his team. I *am* a genius after all.'

But underneath, I bet he was very pleased to be asked to be on what basically amounts to the lead expedition team and I bet he was secretly surprised and/or humbled by it.

Not that humble is a word normally associated with Mckay but you get my drift heh.

Perhaps he even worried whether he would be adquate to the task.

Elinor

May 18th, 2005, 01:35 AM

That scene always cracks me up:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/smart_p3anut/def.jpg
SHEPPARD: Try to fly the “baby” in a straight line.
McKAY: I am flying in a straight line.
SHEPPARD: Not so much.
:D

My fave McKay/Shep scene too! Hope we have more like that in season 2!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-006.gif

Steve_the_Wraith

May 18th, 2005, 02:13 AM

The Rising ends with Weir telling Sheppard to choose his team and then next ep. McKay is suddenly on the team. Why? Was it just Sheppard needing to choose a sceintist and he happened to choose McKay or what? I'd really like to hear your theories.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but the next episode is Hide and Seek and Mckay isn't on the team then. I always thought he proved himself to Sheppard and everyone else in that episode

Wordsmit2

May 18th, 2005, 04:39 AM

I often wonder if both men weren't loners... which might explain why they connect so well in spite of the barbs... Many extremely intelligent people were/are social misfits... they don't see the world around them in quite the same light. Perhaps that is truer of Rodney than it is of Sheppard. It isn't too much of a leap to suggest that Rodney has adopted this abrasive personality in response to mistreatment as a child or to others shunning his company. With all our idealizations about children, I think we often forget that they are capable of great cruelty. Shep may have been a weedy, geeky mathematical genius for all we know.
I don't know that what they are now is necessarily an indication of what they were as children but in all probability that the experiences of life have moulded them into the men that they are now... for better or for worse.

I haven't seen enough of Sheppard to really say.

But McKay is easy. Seems to me (from observations now and in my own experience) Rodney would have been almost exactly the same as a child as he is now. He applies logic to everything. Being very intelligent, he would have done so from a very young age, so he would have had virtually no tolerance for impulsive behavior on the part of other children. In the occasional irrational disagreement, he'd have declared everyone stupid and walked off. (But as with all children, things would have been back to normal in a few hours.) In any major incident which would have gotten a teacher or other playground supervisor involved he'd have outlined what had happened in accurate detail while the other kids wouldn't have been quite sure what had happened. Teachers were probably quite fond of him in his single-digit years, because he was coherent and interested and asked questions.

In fact, young Rodney was probably great fun for kids to be around. Can you imagine (or remember) the elaborate play fantasies he'd have constructed?

As he got knowledgeable enough to get argumentative, of course, he'd have been more of a trial to his teachers. In his preteen years he'd have begun to get so busy reading and researching he'd have drawn away from his peers. He wouldn't have missed them as long as he was busy. Also, if there were any sports he was fond of, he'd have just been a regular kid in that.

If he was a real person, McKay's abrasiveness would have developed in his late teen years or even well into adulthood when he was treading in intellectual territory few understood. As a child he might have quoted catchy insults from the books he read, but he'd have started to *mean* them in his teen years, and invented his own as an exasperated adult.

Wordsmit2

May 18th, 2005, 05:16 AM

As somebody else somewhere (possibly here) has said, John didn't like Antarctica for the social life ;)

And yet I can't help seeing him as very friendly, outgoing and generally liked, especially when he was younger.

Which leads me to wonder if he isn't hiding something beneath that optimistic exterior.

His party of dead people in "Home" is probably a clue.

Porthos1013

May 18th, 2005, 08:28 AM

I bet Rodney would have made John cry and John would have been all like 'what the? *I'm* the king of the sandpit'...
lol! I can totally see this happening. Poor John. And poor Rodney after John figures out how to take revenge on the little twerp! (j/k, I really love Rodney, but he had to have been a handful as a child!)

And I agree with everything you say, Wordsmit. I especially like your comment:

In the occasional irrational disagreement, he'd have declared everyone stupid and walked off.

I could see him doing this even now, actually. ;)

Porthos1013

May 18th, 2005, 08:40 AM

Hmm there's probably a story in that (no doubt there are fics about it). I would love to see the 'missing scene' where Shep asks Rodney to be on the team.

I bet Rodney, on the surface, would have thought 'of *course* the military commander of Atlantis wants me on his team. I *am* a genius after all.'

But underneath, I bet he was very pleased to be asked to be on what basically amounts to the lead expedition team and I bet he was secretly surprised and/or humbled by it.

Not that humble is a word normally associated with Mckay but you get my drift heh.

Perhaps he even worried whether he would be adquate to the task.
I think you've got Rodney pegged pretty well. Sounds a lot like him. ;)

But what I also wonder about, along with killer_tinkerbell, is why did John want Rodney on his team? I suppose you could somewhat combine the two discussions we've been having here, and say that the two somehow sensed a bond with each other. In my opinion, they are both somewhat loners who cover their insecurities with a facade: a harsh facade in Rodney's case and a jovial, outgoing facade in John's case. I think they may have been able to sense this about each other, perhaps moreso in John's case since he seems less oblivious to people's feelings (like Rodney) so that might have given him the unique ability to see beyond Rodney's facade to the man beneath, and also allowed him to ignore the more abrasive side of McKay.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but the next episode is Hide and Seek and Mckay isn't on the team then. I always thought he proved himself to Sheppard and everyone else in that episode

I agree, I'm sure this had a lot to do with it. Probably moreso than what I just rambled about a minute ago. :P:D

Girl Clone

May 18th, 2005, 02:26 PM

But McKay is easy. Seems to me (from observations now and in my own experience) Rodney would have been almost exactly the same as a child as he is now. He applies logic to everything. Being very intelligent, he would have done so from a very young age, so he would have had virtually no tolerance for impulsive behavior on the part of other children. In the occasional irrational disagreement, he'd have declared everyone stupid and walked off.
[snipped]
If he was a real person, McKay's abrasiveness would have developed in his late teen years or even well into adulthood when he was treading in intellectual territory few understood. As a child he might have quoted catchy insults from the books he read, but he'd have started to *mean* them in his teen years, and invented his own as an exasperated adult.

It's also entirely possible that Rodney just didn't like the other kids because they weren't very interesting. I am nowhere near as smart as McKay (I actually relate much more to Sheppard because I, too, passed the Mensa test and then couldn't ever be bothered to join) but my parents remember me in first grade where I just would not associate with the other kids at all. My parents took me to a psychiatrist to see if there was something wrong with me. Turns out I was just bored ;)

So I can see Rodney being a loner for much of his childhood just as much as I can see him the way you've suggested.

watcher652

May 18th, 2005, 03:05 PM

What I find funny is that Rodney is so intelligent, his mind is flitting from topic to topic even while he's talking on a particular subject. Then he latches on to something miles away from the original subject. Elizabeth has more than once told Rodney to focus on the topic at hand.

John is usually quite focussed, unitl he's with McKay. Then, if John himself isn't telling Rodney to focus, John is getting distracted with Rodney's sidebar comments and Elizabeth has to tell the both of them to focus!

killer_tinkerbell

May 18th, 2005, 03:17 PM

Lol It's pretty funny when Rodney gets all side tracked like in the Brotherhood. :) I hope we see more of that in season two. I think that’s one aspect of his character that isn't touched upon very often in fan fic. They always show him totally absorbed in examining a new piece of ancient tech or something but hardly ever show him getting side tracked like he does on the show.

SaharaGate

May 18th, 2005, 06:09 PM

But what I also wonder about, along with killer_tinkerbell, is why did John want Rodney on his team?
Good point.

I think there was a practical side to it - John obviously realised he needed someone knowledable about gate travel, dhds, and - most importatnly - someone who can figure out Ancient tech.

But he would also have had to consider team dynamics and someone as abrasive as Rodney would probably be considered a risk in that department. So I'm thinking Shep had to have decided that 1. His genius was worth the attitude ;)and 2. He could learn to handle field situations.

Of course now, he's learned to enjoy Rodney's company in itself.

I suppose you could somewhat combine the two discussions we've been having here, and say that the two somehow sensed a bond with each other. In my opinion, they are both somewhat loners who cover their insecurities with a facade: a harsh facade in Rodney's case and a jovial, outgoing facade in John's case. I think they may have been able to sense this about each other, perhaps moreso in John's case since he seems less oblivious to people's feelings (like Rodney) so that might have given him the unique ability to see beyond Rodney's facade to the man beneath, and also allowed him to ignore the more abrasive side of McKay.

I like this theory. This is pretty much how I see Shep and I'd like to think its how tptb chose to characterise the John-Rodney relationship.

Because you're right, John is one of the few - one of the first really - to look past Rodney's antagonistic exterior and value him for who he is. Elizabeth does too, but she appears to have known Rodney before the expedition (in some capacity) and therfore has had more time to get past the abrasiveness.

At the same time of course, Shep can tell when Rodney's just being his ordinary abrasive self or actually has something going on...hence the arguing ;).

SaharaGate

May 18th, 2005, 06:13 PM

SaharaGate

May 18th, 2005, 06:16 PM

It's also entirely possible that Rodney just didn't like the other kids because they weren't very interesting. I am nowhere near as smart as McKay (I actually relate much more to Sheppard because I, too, passed the Mensa test and then couldn't ever be bothered to join) but my parents remember me in first grade where I just would not associate with the other kids at all. My parents took me to a psychiatrist to see if there was something wrong with me. Turns out I was just bored ;)

So I can see Rodney being a loner for much of his childhood just as much as I can see him the way you've suggested.
You passed Mensa? Wow. That's very cool.

I wouldn't even know how to go about getting tested, but even if I did, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't pass lol.

Language is much more my thing than Maths.

So if we're going with Shep as a loner and since he's got the whole Mensa thing going too, then I guess he was also probably bored out of his mind at a young age.

So if they'd met each other when they were kids, they probably would have gotten along really well.

Until April Bingham came between them that is :p

(and what's with all this AU discussion of them as kids...I don't even read AU's lol)

watcher652

May 18th, 2005, 06:23 PM

But what I also wonder about, along with killer_tinkerbell, is why did John want Rodney on his team? Who says it was John's idea?

Sure, John had to approve Rodney, but maybe Rodney approached John first. Rodney is familiar with the way things work at the SGC and with the SG1 team. It's all new to John. Rodney could have told John that the top people are on a team together. Since Rodney is the top scientist, and John is the top military person, then Rodney clearly is supposed to be on John's team.

After reviewing the other scientists, John probably shrugged and said, Sure, why not, we can try it out and see if it works.

And after shooting Rodney in the leg and pushing him off a balcony, the rest is history. Oh, yeah, and that little thing Rodney did about the Darkness probably swayed John, too.

Wordsmit2

May 19th, 2005, 12:55 AM

Until April Bingham came between them that is :p

Okay, this is one of several things I either haven't seen yet or didn't notice.

What's the April Bingham reference?

Also, I've encountered two fanfics that refer to Sheppard and some Mardis Gras incident. Is this canon or fanon?

SaharaGate

May 19th, 2005, 05:57 AM

Okay, this is one of several things I either haven't seen yet or didn't notice.

What's the April Bingham reference?

Also, I've encountered two fanfics that refer to Sheppard and some Mardis Gras incident. Is this canon or fanon?

I'm pretty sure the Mardis Gras incident is fanon not canon (surely I wouldnt' have missed that kind of comment :eek: ).

As for April Binham...Rodney mentions her in Letters from Pegasus when he's doing his spiel to the cameras.

Here's the quote from the Gateworld transcript:
McKAY: I almost caught mono kissing a girl in Algebra Club. Missed an entire month of school. (He Chuckles). Still, the kiss was, uh,, somthin', so it was, uh probably worth it. April Bingham -- cute blonde! God --- you see, I love blondes, especially with the, uh, the short hair. ( He smiles reflectively). Mmm. (He takes a breath and looks into the camera.) Samantha Carter -- if you're watching, (he puts his hand over his heart) the torch is still burning -- sadly, soon to be extinguished...

She crops up here and there in fanfic too.

Porthos1013

May 19th, 2005, 11:35 AM

Who says it was John's idea?

Sure, John had to approve Rodney, but maybe Rodney approached John first. Rodney is familiar with the way things work at the SGC and with the SG1 team. It's all new to John. Rodney could have told John that the top people are on a team together. Since Rodney is the top scientist, and John is the top military person, then Rodney clearly is supposed to be on John's team.

After reviewing the other scientists, John probably shrugged and said, Sure, why not, we can try it out and see if it works.
Oh, good point! I guess I didn't even think about it this way. That does seem to fit well with Rodney's personality, always demanding to be acknowledged for his genius. Nice thought! :D

And after shooting Rodney in the leg and pushing him off a balcony, the rest is history. Oh, yeah, and that little thing Rodney did about the Darkness probably swayed John, too.
lol! Very true. :p

Porthos1013

May 19th, 2005, 11:39 AM

Also, I've encountered two fanfics that refer to Sheppard and some Mardis Gras incident. Is this canon or fanon?
I think you're talking about Koschka's Geeks and Goons series (not sure if that's the real title, just what I call it. ;)) Here's the link to all the stories, beginning with Scientist, Wraith Killer, Space Pirate, and then work your way up. :D

Koschka's fic (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/738014/)

smushybird

May 19th, 2005, 08:06 PM

I think you're talking about Koschka's Geeks and Goons series (not sure if that's the real title, just what I call it. ;)) Here's the link to all the stories, beginning with Scientist, Wraith Killer, Space Pirate, and then work your way up. :D

Koschka's fic (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/738014/)

Here's a link to Koschka's fic that's pop-up free and ad free.

http://www.oplnk.net/~mara/home.htm

;)

Also, if you're attending MediaWest (or even if you're not), Koschka's fics will be available in a zine, all the fics she's written so far plus one brand new story that hasn't been posted anywhere. I beta'd it and it's verrry yummy.
Here's the info:

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Wordsmit2

May 21st, 2005, 02:19 AM

I think you're talking about Koschka's Geeks and Goons series (not sure if that's the real title, just what I call it. ;))

Nope, unless Koschka misspelled Mardi Gras worse than I did.

However, one of the fics I referred to *was* edited by Koschka. I can't remember which was the other one.

The Geeks and Goons series gets quite good starting with "Goonus Americanus". The earlier ones are pretty typical of fanfic.

To those who decide to read it: Watch out for chapter 1 (as posted on FanFiction.Net) of "The Once and Future Goon". It's nasty--as in "could be quite upsetting". But you can read just chapter 2 and still get a whole story.

aaobuttons

May 21st, 2005, 09:40 AM

Just throwing in here one of my favorite Shep/Mckay moments:
BIS Spoilers

McKAY: Well, a man wonders how he would choose to go out, given such dire circumstances. Now I know.
ALT-WEIR: Trying to save the lives of others.
SHEPPARD: But ultimately failing!
McKAY: I’m sure if I had a few more seconds, I ...

Then later...

McKAY: Ha! Ah, the bitter taste of ultimate failure, hmm?
SHEPPARD: Well, if you’d just figured out how to fix the damn shield in the first place, none of us would have died.
McKAY: I did everything I could, including valiantly attempting to save your sorry ...

watcher652

May 21st, 2005, 09:50 AM

I know this isn't a thunking thread, but here's a classic McKay/Sheppard moment from Before I Sleep.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0115%20Before%20I%20Sleep/0115BeforeISleep0645739.jpg

I love the facial expessions on this cap.

watcher652

May 21st, 2005, 10:03 AM

OK, one more from Before I Sleep

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0115%20Before%20I%20Sleep/0115BeforeISleep0656750.jpg

SGLAB

May 21st, 2005, 10:07 AM

Also, I've encountered two fanfics that refer to Sheppard and some Mardis Gras incident. Is this canon or fanon?

While I never watched Dawson's Creek when it was on and still don't watch the reruns, I read JF was in at least one episode of the show so I decided to watch it. His character was talking about being at Mardi Gras once and hit on a woman or something who turned out to be a cross dresser. :eek:

I've seen references in Atlantis fanfic too about him at Mardi Gras and it made me think of this episode of Dawson's Creek.

smushybird

May 21st, 2005, 10:16 AM

Just throwing in here one of my favorite Shep/Mckay moments:
BIS Spoilers

McKAY: Ha! Ah, the bitter taste of ultimate failure, hmm?
SHEPPARD: Well, if you’d just figured out how to fix the damn shield in the first place, none of us would have died.
McKAY: I did everything I could, including valiantly attempting to save your sorry ...

That's one of my favorite scenes in all the first season eps. I could've swatted Liz for interrupting them. :D
I watched The Storm again last night and really liked the moment when Liz and Rodney thought John might've been killed by Kolya's men, and then they hear John's voice and the first thing we get to see is Rodney's relief that he's still alive. I guess I'm so used to shows where it's all about developing the 'ship in scenes like that. It's nice to see the friendshippy (or slashy if you go there) moments between the guys, too. I'm so happy the Atlantis writers don't deprive us of that.

Wordsmit2

May 22nd, 2005, 02:50 AM

It's nice to see the friendshippy (or slashy if you go there) moments between the guys, too.

One thing I've noticed in fanfic is "friendshippy" can be sharper and deeper and wittier than "slashy" is able to be. (Koschka's fics being a good example) Slash fic can't achieve real intensity because it gets sidetracked into getting the characters laid.

'm so happy the Atlantis writers don't deprive us of that.

We seem to be rather fortunate. Stargate SG-1 has always had a certain lack of reaction shots. If the other person isn't in the same shot, you're out of luck. Sometimes it damages the story. (The climax of Season 2's "A Matter of Time" springs to mind.)

SallyLizzie

May 22nd, 2005, 06:06 AM

Howdy folks, don't have time right now to read through thread so don't know if this has been recommened before. Sorry if it has.
McKay-Sheppard vid (http://www6.streamload.com/Nodes/Node.asp?cxInstID=44259714&nodeID=981930892)
Scroll down to the bottom, it's called 'Tenacious Duo'.

smushybird

May 23rd, 2005, 04:14 PM

One thing I've noticed in fanfic is "friendshippy" can be sharper and deeper and wittier than "slashy" is able to be. (Koschka's fics being a good example) Slash fic can't achieve real intensity because it gets sidetracked into getting the characters laid..

When slashfic gets domestic is usually when I lose interest. I'm living domestic already. I want exciting. :D FT slash can be rather nicely intense, but the friendship fics always are (unless they're really badly written). M/M friendship fics are always interesting to me cuz guys are such prickly pears about intimacy...and Shep and McKay seem two of the prickliest. Writing a genuinely believable friendship between the two of them can't be easy. I do like Koschka's fics because she stays true to character and yet she still managed to get a hug out of those two. :D I never thought I'd see the day.

We seem to be rather fortunate. Stargate SG-1 has always had a certain lack of reaction shots. If the other person isn't in the same shot, you're out of luck. Sometimes it damages the story. (The climax of Season 2's "A Matter of Time" springs to mind.)

Oh man, I know! Ep after ep, that has always driven me nuts about SG-1. I used to attribute it to male writers caring more about fast-moving plot and cool effects than about character dev and interaction. But Atlantis gives us at least some reaction shots and their writers are all male, aren't they? :D

SGLAB

May 23rd, 2005, 06:35 PM

Oh, I like Koschka's fics too. To me I find her stories while true to the characters are more of what I think they will be further into their friendship. More of what they might be in the near future.

LurkerLa

May 23rd, 2005, 08:09 PM

Ooh... good thread!!!

Just throwing in a couple of thoughts that I'm left with after reading through everything that's been said. And I know little of it is new, but what the hey... :p

A while back y'all were talking about trust between Sheppard and McKay - I agree that Shep seems to only trust himself when it comes to action at times, but I think part of that arises from his desire to protect his friends and teammates - if there's something dangerous to be done, he wants to be the one doing it so they won't get hurt. That's not to say that he won't let the rest take risks, but he seems to keep the big ones for himself.

And regarding friendship - which really is harder to convincingly portray that romance sometimes, and something that is done very well on Atlantis - I think (whoever said it) is right. John really is Rodney's first real friend. We saw on SG-1 that Rodney wasn't very adept at dealing with people, but now that he's come to Atlantis he's discovered someone who can see through his facade. Weir does that too, to some extent, and I think we see friendship between her and McKay as well. But with Weir being the primary leader of the expedition they aren't able to be as casually friendly as McKay and Sheppard are. I think McKay might view his position relative to Weir as that of a scientific advisor first and friend second.

As has been pointed out, Sheppard's decisions can be (and quite frequently are) questioned by his teammates, and that allows McKay to be on equal footing with him. They can be more buddies than just work friends (the small social circle available on Atlantis probably helps there :) ).

I haven't given all of this too much thought yet, and I'm sure there are holes in it... also I can't give episodes to back it all up, as I haven't rewatched them recently. Sorry :o

And since, as usual, I've rambled on far too long (and in circles), I'll end by just saying that I ADORE the opening of "Hide and Seek" (and pretty much all the rest of their scenes together in the first season). :D

SaharaGate

May 24th, 2005, 05:33 PM

Ooh... good thread!!!

Just throwing in a couple of thoughts that I'm left with after reading through everything that's been said. And I know little of it is new, but what the hey... :p
Welcome to the thread. :)

A while back y'all were talking about trust between Sheppard and McKay - I agree that Shep seems to only trust himself when it comes to action at times, but I think part of that arises from his desire to protect his friends and teammates - if there's something dangerous to be done, he wants to be the one doing it so they won't get hurt. That's not to say that he won't let the rest take risks, but he seems to keep the big ones for himself.
Agreed.

He has a hero complex. :p

Always putting himself in peril to save the day, even whether or not others agree it is necessary.

And regarding friendship - which really is harder to convincingly portray that romance sometimes, and something that is done very well on Atlantis - I think (whoever said it) is right. John really is Rodney's first real friend.
Yes poor Rodney.

I'm sure he's had friends before, but they were probably other scientists or colleagues. He's never had that life or death bond with someone (unlike Shep) so learning to care about someone and then having them run off all the time to almost get killed...that's a first for him.

We saw on SG-1 that Rodney wasn't very adept at dealing with people, but now that he's come to Atlantis he's discovered someone who can see through his facade.

That's how I see their relationship too...they see past each other's outer shells (to an extent).

SNIP
As has been pointed out, Sheppard's decisions can be (and quite frequently are) questioned by his teammates, and that allows McKay to be on equal footing with him. They can be more buddies than just work friends (the small social circle available on Atlantis probably helps there :) ).

Well I'm sure McKay sees himself as more than everybody's equal ;). I think the trick is that he actually considers Shep *his* equal.

I haven't given all of this too much thought yet, and I'm sure there are holes in it... also I can't give episodes to back it all up, as I haven't rewatched them recently. Sorry :o
I thought u made perfect sense. Clearly you should reward yourself by sitting down to watch the entire season in one go ;)

SaharaGate

May 27th, 2005, 10:29 PM

Girl Clone

May 30th, 2005, 12:11 AM

Bring on the pics I say.

Your wish is my command. Or something...

http://www.girlclone.net/images/misc/38mins.jpg

SaharaGate

May 30th, 2005, 06:21 AM

Your wish is my command. Or something...

http://www.girlclone.net/images/misc/38mins.jpg

Woo for pics!

You know, I somehow managed to miss that moment in 38 minutes. I mean i remember them dragging Shep thru the event horizon and that Rodney was involved, but a still frame emphasises things.

Like Shep's tummy. ;)

Mmm.

But this isn't a thunk thread so I shall refrain heh.

Gotto love Teyla's face though heh :D

Elinor

May 30th, 2005, 07:04 AM

Woo for pics!

You know, I somehow managed to miss that moment in 38 minutes. I mean i remember them dragging Shep thru the event horizon and that Rodney was involved, but a still frame emphasises things.

Like Shep's tummy. ;)

Ha ha!! There is that!

Ah, Rodney's touching his hand as well! Sweet...!!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/grinser/grinning-smiley-021.gif

Porthos1013

May 30th, 2005, 07:39 AM

Ha ha!! There is that!

Ah, Rodney's touching his hand as well! Sweet...!!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/grinser/grinning-smiley-021.gif
Not so much touching his hand as latched onto his arm, methinks... :p
What is he doing, trying to support his weight and help Teyla? If that's the case, he's not really helping, how much can Shep's arm really weigh? Somehow, I can just picture Rodney doing this kind of work, and thinking, "Whew! That was tough!"

This reminds me of my mother. Yesterday, we were hauling in groceries, and she brought in a box of corn flakes and sat down at the kitchen table as if it was the hardest thing in the world to do, while my dad and I hauled in the rest of the car load of groceries. Pfff! Now everytime she does something like that, I'm going to be thinking of Rodney! My mind really works in odd ways, sometimes. :S

Girl Clone

June 3rd, 2005, 01:47 AM

watcher652

June 3rd, 2005, 01:13 PM

Bring on the pics I say.

Rodney's cute. Shep's cute.

They're only cuter when they're together ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0106%20Childhoods%20End/0106ChildhoodsEnd0531123.jpg

watcher652

June 3rd, 2005, 01:15 PM

Bring on the pics I say.

Rodney's cute. Shep's cute.

They're only cuter when they're together ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0108%20Underground/0108Underground1507074.jpg

watcher652

June 3rd, 2005, 01:21 PM

Bring on the pics I say.

Rodney's cute. Shep's cute.

They're only cuter when they're together ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0108%20Underground/0108Underground1256026.jpg

SaharaGate

June 3rd, 2005, 07:06 PM

Saw "The Defiant One" again last night. This exchange is soooo them.

McKAY: We’ll be fine.
WEIR: Major?
SHEPPARD: I agree with McKay.
WEIR: Of course you do! How could either of you resist exploring a crashed alien spaceship?!
SHEPPARD: Exactly.
McKAY: I assure you our interest is purely professional, Elizabeth.

LOL!

I adore that scene.

Actually, I watched the Defiant One the other night too and was remembering when I was first watching the series...

and this is the ep that hooked me. I mean I was watching Atlantis right from the beginning and fully expected it to be at least watchable, but after that ep, that's when I was decided this was an awesome show and had the potential to be better than SG1.

And it was largely because of the Shep and Mckay interaction, and Gaul's death . That and the fact that it came directly after The Storm/The Eye, which were also very, very cool episodes. So it was 3-for-3 at that point hehe.

This is the ep where they stopped being cool characters with a lot of potential and started to seem like 3-dimensional people. Both Shep & Rodney started to show us who they were...:)

SaharaGate

June 3rd, 2005, 07:36 PM

Ohhh! Love this pic :D

They're so cute ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0108%20Underground/0108Underground1507074.jpg

McKay: We're doomed! Whose bright idea was it to ARM the fans? This is so your fault Major.
Shep: My fault? They called us cute...I'm a badass Major in the airforce. I can't be cute!
McKay: I wouldn't worry Major. Clearly I'm the cute one....
Shep: What? Hey!

SaharaGate

June 3rd, 2005, 07:43 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0108%20Underground/0108Underground1256026.jpg

Shep: Look Rodney, don't take this the wrong way but...well...it's no secret that I'm good looking. You know it, I know it...I'm the cute one.
McKay: *snorts* I can think of several better descriptors...
Shep: You on the other hand...*shrugs* I guess they must just have a thing for geeks.
McKay: Who doesn't?
Shep: *looks thoughtful* Can't argue with that.

SaharaGate

June 3rd, 2005, 07:51 PM

OK, one more from Before I Sleep

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0115%20Before%20I%20Sleep/0115BeforeISleep0656750.jpg

McKay: This sucks.
Shep: I'm not talking to you.
McKay: You suck
Shep: I said I'm not talking to you.
McKay: Coulda fooled me.
Shep: Just stop sulking would you? Just cause they didn't think you were cute...
McKay: WE major. They didn't think WE were cute.
Shep: Well you know what they say...
McKay: No. What do they say?
Shep: Who?
Mckay: They.
Shep: I dunno. Who needs them anyway. I know I'm cute.
McKay: So do I.
Shep: You think I'm cute?
McKay: *snarkasmically* No. I meant me. I'm cute. Geek cute. You're just...hairy.
Shep: Says the balding man...
McKay: Says the hairy man with pixie ears.
Shep: McKay!
McKay: Shutup. I'm not talking to you.

Porthos1013

June 3rd, 2005, 07:58 PM

McKay: This sucks.
Shep: I'm not talking to you.
McKay: You suck
Shep: I said I'm not talking to you.
McKay: Coulda fooled me.
Shep: Just stop sulking would you? Just cause they didn't think you were cute...
McKay: WE major. They didn't think WE were cute.
Shep: Well you know what they say...
McKay: No. What do they say?
Shep: Who?
Mckay: They.
Shep: I dunno. Who needs them anyway. I know I'm cute.
McKay: So do I.
Shep: You think I'm cute?
McKay: *snarkasmically* No. I meant me. I'm cute. Geek cute. You're just...hairy.
Shep: Says the balding man...
McKay: Says the hairy man with pixie ears.
Shep: McKay!
McKay: Shutup. I'm not talking to you.
Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my goodness. Okay, breathe, remember to BREATHE................

<reads word *snarkasmically* again>

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Okay, seriously, you're getting jello. I don't care if I have to start giving it to strangers, green jello is coming your way! :D

SaharaGate

June 3rd, 2005, 08:33 PM

Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my goodness. Okay, breathe, remember to BREATHE................

<reads word *snarkasmically* again>

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Heeeeeeee!

Glad you enjoyed :D

Those boys could keep me amused for hours...and hours... ;)

Okay, seriously, you're getting jello. I don't care if I have to start giving it to strangers, green jello is coming your way! :D

Strangers?

Clearly anyone on the McShep thread is no stranger ;)

And actually I thin you might have given me jello recently in the Mckay thunk thread....not that I'm complaining ;) :D

strivaria

June 3rd, 2005, 08:47 PM

McKay: This sucks.
Shep: I'm not talking to you.
McKay: You suck
Shep: I said I'm not talking to you.

OMG! That was extremely funny.. and not just because I'm sleep deprived....

... now my ribs hurt from the laughter.... :D

Porthos1013

June 3rd, 2005, 10:17 PM

Heeeeeeee!

Glad you enjoyed :D

Those boys could keep me amused for hours...and hours... ;)

Strangers?

Clearly anyone on the McShep thread is no stranger ;)

And actually I thin you might have given me jello recently in the Mckay thunk thread....not that I'm complaining ;) :D
Yeah, I actually meant that I've given jello to everyone that I seem to talk to rather often, so I couldn't give you jello again until I gave it to other people. But then that plan backfired, because I gave so much away I couldn't give it to anyone anyway. :rolleyes:

watcher652

June 4th, 2005, 12:56 AM

From The Brotherhood

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/TheBrotherhood2024598.jpg

SaharaGate

June 4th, 2005, 06:44 AM

Yeah, I actually meant that I've given jello to everyone that I seem to talk to rather often, so I couldn't give you jello again until I gave it to other people. But then that plan backfired, because I gave so much away I couldn't give it to anyone anyway. :rolleyes:

Oops! :o

So not with it today.

But I shall enjoy my imaginary green jello ;).

And to keep this on topic...do you suppose jello will make an appearance on Atlantis? All the good friendship scenes on SG seem to have jello in them...I sense a trend.

I bet Shep loves jello.

But I bet it freaks Rodney out by jiggling so much. I could see him having a jelly phobia actually...

SaharaGate

June 4th, 2005, 06:46 AM

OMG! That was extremely funny.. and not just because I'm sleep deprived....

... now my ribs hurt from the laughter.... :D

Hehe.

I hear laughter is good exercise.

Almost as good as sit-ups.

Only much more fun :)

SaharaGate

June 4th, 2005, 06:48 AM

From The Brotherhood

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/TheBrotherhood2024598.jpg

So it would seem you have become the procurer of the pics :D You should get a badge or something...

I think I might have to sleep on this mighty fine pic before I cap it though. Andy by sleep on I mean sleep. On. :p

Unless someone else wants to put words in the boys' mouths? ;)

Elinor

June 4th, 2005, 07:04 AM

I bet Shep loves jello.

But I bet it freaks Rodney out by jiggling so much. I could see him having a jelly phobia actually...

Oh yeah! Shep and jello go together!!

I'm sure Rodney's got LOTS of phobias! We'll hear about them as the series continues!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/445.gif

Jafana

June 4th, 2005, 09:24 AM

From The Brotherhood

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/TheBrotherhood2024598.jpg

Sheppard: *mischievously* "Rodney? What is it?"
McKay: *thoughtfully* "It looks so..."
Sheppard: "Disturbing?"
McKay: "I was going to say appetising"
Sheppard: "You would"
McKay: "What's that supposed to mean? It's not like it's my appetites that run to the alien around here"
Sheppard: "McKay.... It's Jello. Just eat it!"

How's thems for words :D

VonKnibble

June 4th, 2005, 11:08 AM

LOL!

I adore that scene.

Actually, I watched the Defiant One the other night too and was remembering when I was first watching the series...

and this is the ep that hooked me. I mean I was watching Atlantis right from the beginning and fully expected it to be at least watchable, but after that ep, that's when I was decided this was an awesome show and had the potential to be better than SG1.

And it was largely because of the Shep and Mckay interaction, and Gaul's death . That and the fact that it came directly after The Storm/The Eye, which were also very, very cool episodes. So it was 3-for-3 at that point hehe.

This is the ep where they stopped being cool characters with a lot of potential and started to seem like 3-dimensional people. Both Shep & Rodney started to show us who they were...:)

Funny, but thats pretty much how I got hooked. I was just enjoying the show, minding my own, when suddenly (and seemingly post 'The Defiant One') I was totally hooked! couldn't (and still can't - roll on autumn) get enough!

I think with '38 minutes' I got all exited, cause i got whump and action/drama suspense thingy with good characterisation and great acting, hell there was even team bonding of sorts.

But then things kinda went back to good, as oppposed to the damn good i new they could do. So I went back to alternately picking holes in Sheppards' Military/Leadership skills, and just plain quality oogling time.

I am such an ass slut!

VK

SaharaGate

June 4th, 2005, 11:44 PM

Sheppard: *mischievously* "Rodney? What is it?"
McKay: *thoughtfully* "It looks so..."
Sheppard: "Disturbing?"
McKay: "I was going to say appetising"
Sheppard: "You would"
McKay: "What's that supposed to mean? It's not like it's my appetites that run to the alien around here"
Sheppard: "McKay.... It's Jello. Just eat it!"

How's thems for words :D

Lmao!

I like muchly :)

Poor Shep :(. He'll never live that whole Chaya thing down....

SaharaGate

June 4th, 2005, 11:57 PM

Funny, but thats pretty much how I got hooked. I was just enjoying the show, minding my own, when suddenly (and seemingly post 'The Defiant One') I was totally hooked! couldn't (and still can't - roll on autumn) get enough!

Well you're not alone there.

Is it July yet???

I think with '38 minutes' I got all exited, cause i got whump and action/drama suspense thingy with good characterisation and great acting, hell there was even team bonding of sorts.

I enjoyed 38 minutes but I wasn't quite into major fan-mode yet. I was enjoying the new series and excited about the possibilities but also a little bothered by a few of the characters.

Suspicion was great for Rodney's character (and since i loved him on SG i had high hopes for him) and established the Shep/Rodney dynamic early, but the rest of the episode didn't excite me.

I mean it was enjoyable, but I didn't care enough about the Athosians at that point for the episode to knock me flat or anything.

But then things kinda went back to good, as oppposed to the damn good i new they could do. So I went back to alternately picking holes in Sheppards' Military/Leadership skills, and just plain quality oogling time.

With you on that one.

I was all like 'that hair can't POSSIBLY be regulation standard'. And while I appreciated Shep's physical um, *presence*, it took a little longer to warm to him as a 3 dimensional character.

But I have warmed to him now.

Yep. Warm. Very warm. ;)

I am such an ass slut!

VK

Lol!

In my case, for shep, it's all about the smile....

For rodney, it's all about the snarl ;)

Girl Clone

June 5th, 2005, 02:16 AM

VonKnibble

June 5th, 2005, 02:36 AM

Suspicion was great for Rodney's character (and since i loved him on SG i had high hopes for him) and established the Shep/Rodney dynamic early, but the rest of the episode didn't excite me.

I mean it was enjoyable, but I didn't care enough about the Athosians at that point for the episode to knock me flat or anything.

I know! i'm so with you there! they'd been in atlantis for what? couple of weeks?, now i know Shep had a bit of a guilt trip thing going on over the Athosians having to abandon their homeworld, but jeez, can we spell over-reacting???????

The Way Shep acted in that ep was totally against common sense, let alone Military sense, as far as security goes. Whilst Bates was being just a bit of an evil rottweiler, Shep should have been with him on the main points, hell, he should have been the one picking up on the problem and suggesting this stuff in the first place!

In my case, for shep, it's all about the smile....

For rodney, it's all about the snarl ;)

Mmm, the smile, the snarl, and all the snarkage........what more could a girl possibly want?!

VK

Jafana

June 5th, 2005, 05:11 AM

Here is another pivotal moment in the McKay/Sheppard friendship...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/girlclone/johnrodneybums1sk.jpg

OK, you got me, it's actually just an excuse to post this pic of their butts ;)

Rodney: "They were the scariest things we've encountered in the Pegasus Galaxy!"
Shep: "You can say that again!
Rodney: "Keep running, they looked fast"
Shep: "What do you think they were?"
Rodney: "Well, the natives called them fangirls"

*squee!*

SaharaGate

June 5th, 2005, 05:24 AM

Here is another pivotal moment in the McKay/Sheppard friendship...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/girlclone/johnrodneybums1sk.jpg

OK, you got me, it's actually just an excuse to post this pic of their butts ;)

Yes. Pivotal. Absolutely.

Ooooh, bum shot (with boxer peekage!)

*Ahem*

(wonders when this went from an intellectual exchange of opinion about the McShep dynamic to a thunk/cap thread.....meh! :o;) )

Methinks we need SEASON 2!

Please.

SaharaGate

June 5th, 2005, 05:25 AM

Rodney: "They were the scariest things we've encountered in the Pegasus Galaxy!"
Shep: "You can say that again!
Rodney: "Keep running, they looked fast"
Shep: "What do you think they were?"
Rodney: "Well, the natives called them fangirls"

*squee!*

Lol!

nicely done :)

SaharaGate

June 5th, 2005, 05:32 AM

I know! i'm so with you there! they'd been in atlantis for what? couple of weeks?, now i know Shep had a bit of a guilt trip thing going on over the Athosians having to abandon their homeworld, but jeez, can we spell over-reacting???????

The Way Shep acted in that ep was totally against common sense, let alone Military sense, as far as security goes. Whilst Bates was being just a bit of an evil rottweiler, Shep should have been with him on the main points, hell, he should have been the one picking up on the problem and suggesting this stuff in the first place!

Yeah, I mean as much as I have come to like Teyla, the implicit trust Shep showed in her and her people just never rang true to me.

The implicit (or explicit really) schoolboy snark between Shep & Mckay however...that seemed ordained ;)

Mmm, the smile, the snarl, and all the snarkage........what more could a girl possibly want?!

2?

As in duo. Zwei. Shep. Rodney.

As in SEASON 2.

Not that I'm getting impatient or anything...

And not that I actually have room in my life for much Atlantis watching...bit late now tho heh.

VonKnibble

June 5th, 2005, 08:01 AM

2?

As in duo. Zwei. Shep. Rodney.

As in SEASON 2.

Not that I'm getting impatient or anything...

Yeah....me too, honey.

Tryin' not to think about it to much, seeing as i got to wait 'til OCTOBER to see it. But, like the murphy's, i'm not bitter........

Much.

Porthos1013

June 5th, 2005, 10:26 AM

Yeah....me too, honey.

Tryin' not to think about it to much, seeing as i got to wait 'til OCTOBER to see it. But, like the murphy's, i'm not bitter........

Much.
I know what you mean. I was hoping that by making my sig a countdown, it would make me feel better, because I could see myself getting closer by one day each time I uploaded a new one, but now it seems like I've been stuck in the forties for weeks, and I still have almost two more weeks to go before it'll be less than a month away! (Once we get inside a month, I think I'll start feeling better, but right now it just feels like we're crawling along at a snail's pace!)

And, since we're posting pics, here's a quick one:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/Porthos1013/104x053.jpg

Jafana

June 5th, 2005, 04:23 PM

I know what you mean. I was hoping that by making my sig a countdown, it would make me feel better, because I could see myself getting closer by one day each time I uploaded a new one, but now it seems like I've been stuck in the forties for weeks, and I still have almost two more weeks to go before it'll be less than a month away! (Once we get inside a month, I think I'll start feeling better, but right now it just feels like we're crawling along at a snail's pace!)

So you don't actually have a program to change the counter?
And here I thought you were all clever and stuff :p

I did wonder why it was wrong though - since I have a counter on my laptop. With the new release of the Tiger operating system on mac, they've got these things called widgets. And some bright spark decided to make a stargate countdown one :D

There are currently 38 days left.

Also, to be not so completely off topic, I was watching the Brotherhood the other night.
I didn't get into TDO as much as what you guys seem to have. I'd already grew to love it somehow, but it was TB that hooked me in forevermore. The Rodney/Shep interaction in this was... perfection.

The complete and utter horror on Rodney's face when he realised Shep had turned down joining mensa.
Gold! pure genius!

Porthos1013

June 5th, 2005, 05:37 PM

So you don't actually have a program to change the counter?
And here I thought you were all clever and stuff :p

I did wonder why it was wrong though - since I have a counter on my laptop. With the new release of the Tiger operating system on mac, they've got these things called widgets. And some bright spark decided to make a stargate countdown one :D

There are currently 38 days left.

Really? I realized I was off when you said that, but I did the math, and if I use the "one day left" to post on the 15th, that's 15 days plus the 25 we have left in June, so that's 40, right? Not 38.

And no, I'm no clever programmer. I leave that kind of stuff to McKay and Carter. ;) But it wasn't too hard to do, I just changed the text in my text layer on my photoshop program, the same as you would a word program. It didn't take me too long, and it was kind of like inputing values into a database, which I'm pretty used to doing, so it wasn't even all that boring. :rolleyes:

And to keep on topic, what is everyone's favorite McKay-Sheppard episode and/or fanfic?

watcher652

June 5th, 2005, 07:34 PM

Also, to be not so completely off topic, I was watching the Brotherhood the other night.
I didn't get into TDO as much as what you guys seem to have. I'd already grew to love it somehow, but it was TB that hooked me in forevermore. The Rodney/Shep interaction in this was... perfection.

The complete and utter horror on Rodney's face when he realised Shep had turned down joining mensa.
Gold! pure genius!You mean this face?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/0116TheBrotherhood3629729.jpg

Jafana

June 5th, 2005, 08:57 PM

You mean this face?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/0116TheBrotherhood3629729.jpg
Yes! that face! I love you! :D

watcher652

June 5th, 2005, 10:31 PM

John_Sheppard

June 6th, 2005, 01:37 AM

How funny was "The defiant one" these 2 got so cranky at each other. Never seen shep yell like that before!

Good episode for them but!

SaharaGate

June 6th, 2005, 06:27 AM

You mean this face?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/0116TheBrotherhood3629729.jpg

No no.

You're both wrong.

That's not the 'omg I can't believe you turned down Mensa' face.

That's the 'omg you could, like, die and omg I think that thought actually scares me' face.

The difference is subtle, but there all the same :p

SaharaGate

June 6th, 2005, 06:39 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0105%20Suspicion/0105Suspicion3716820.jpg

Shep: It's called a gun McKay.
McKay: I'm aware of that Major, thank you.
Shep: Good for shooting Wraiths.
McKay: So I hear.
Shep: The fans really like em.
McKay: The Wraith?? What are they sado-masochists??
Shep: No no. You're thinking of the Whumpers. Which are akin but not the same as the Thunkers, who are close cousins of the Shippers and only twice removed from the Slashers...
McKay: Did you have a point Major?
Shep: Guns. They're sexy.
McKay: You have this on good authority?
Shep: The best: Fangirl authority.
McKay: *snorts* Your fangirls don't look at your gun. They look at your underwear.
Shep: *grins* Really? Sweet!

Jafana

June 6th, 2005, 06:42 AM

Shonaille

June 6th, 2005, 08:13 AM

OOOh, I love the Brotherhood too. Did anyone else notice that Shep really didn't like Allina? I wonder if he had suspicions about her all along. And the wierd sideways glances, rolling his eyes and watching Allina and McKay constantly,telling him to wait until tomorrow to get back into his game, as if he was expecting her to try something. And she did :( I felt so bad for Rodney and I also felt that Shep wasn't too crazy about the mission in the first place.

Wordsmit2

June 6th, 2005, 11:03 AM

Shep: It's called a gun McKay.
McKay: I'm aware of that Major, thank you.
Shep: Good for shooting Wraiths.
McKay: So I hear.
Shep: The fans really like em.
McKay: The Wraith?? What are they sado-masochists??
Shep: No no. You're thinking of the Whumpers. Which are akin but not the same as the Thunkers, who are close cousins of the Shippers and only twice removed from the Slashers...
McKay: Did you have a point Major?
Shep: Guns. They're sexy.
McKay: You have this on good authority?
Shep: The best: Fangirl authority.
McKay: *snorts* Your fangirls don't look at your gun. They look at your underwear.
Shep: *grins* Really? Sweet!

Okay, *this* one made me laugh.

In that vein, someone here asked for fanfic. In Liketheriver's gen series "Tokens" through "Fall From Grace" (http://www.fanfiction.net/u/755674/), Sheppard and McKay know a bit about fandom, fanfic, and Atlantis pairings, which makes their banter all the more amusing. Pairings are specifically mentioned in "Tokens" through "Casting Stones".

I think the one I like best in this series, for entirely different reasons, is "Games". The author has Teyla's narrative voice down pat.

GatetheWay

June 6th, 2005, 11:28 AM

Oh I love Liketheriver! Her stories are soooo good! She's great at McKay/Shep friendship and she has a really talent for mixing angst and comedy which isn't easy.

Edit: You can never be too careful :)

Wordsmit2

June 6th, 2005, 11:52 AM

She.

watcher652

June 6th, 2005, 12:43 PM

No no.

You're both wrong.

That's not the 'omg I can't believe you turned down Mensa' face.

That's the 'omg you could, like, die and omg I think that thought actually scares me' face.

The difference is subtle, but there all the same :pYou've got to be kidding. I guess this is a joke, right? Because I was listening to the dialog when I capped this and I know this is the face requested.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/0116TheBrotherhood3629729.jpg

This is Rodney's "I'm sorry" face.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/0116TheBrotherhood3547646.jpg

I can't believe you questioned my screen cap. :(

SaharaGate

June 6th, 2005, 03:37 PM

You've got to be kidding. I guess this is a joke, right? Because I was listening to the dialog when I capped this and I know this is the face requested.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/0116TheBrotherhood3629729.jpg

Lol.

Point taken....but I could have sworn...I mean...because...

Oh bother.

Never mind.

This is Rodney's "I'm sorry" face.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/0116TheBrotherhood3547646.jpg

I can't believe you questioned my screen cap. :(

Lol...no offence intended. *grovels*.

Just don't stop posting the pics :p. They are muchly appreciated :D

And in that case........Rodney looks more upset about the Mensa thing than the possible impending death of his team leader and snarking buddy :D

Something tells me I should be more surprised. :rolleyes:

watcher652

June 8th, 2005, 11:04 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0118%20The%20Gift/0118TheGift2908538.jpg

McKay: I think I had a point here.
Sheppard: And what would that be?
McKay: Uh, I forget. Something to do with captioning caps.
Sheppard: You forget? What kind of genius are you?
McKay: I got distracted by the huge number of our fangirls. You've got fangirls, I've got fangirls, the two of us together have fangirls.
Sheppard: Oh, ok, then. Seeing them makes me forgetful, too.
McKay: Actually, I think the point is seeing US makes THEM forgetful. Of everything except us.
Sheppard: And that's a good thing, right?
McKay: Oh, sure!

Porthos1013

June 9th, 2005, 10:07 AM

GatetheWay

June 9th, 2005, 10:10 AM

I vote 'a good sock in the face' option :D

SaharaGate

June 9th, 2005, 10:12 AM

SaharaGate

June 9th, 2005, 10:15 AM

LOL...this has totally turned into a thunk thread...:p
Lol, you're very right.

But they're so cute...it's hard not to admire.

Also we are starved of new material.

We need antoher Sanctuary to get some controversy going again (not that I would really care for another Sanctuary, but there you go).

Okay, to spark a little discussion: What do you think Rodney's reaction will be when John comes back in Seige 3? (Spoiler tags just a formality, I figure pretty much everyone knows this, and if you don't then you should have guessed it, I should hope!)

Personally, I'm stuck between the "Oh, thank god!" reaction or a good sock in the face for being in such a hurry to go get himself killed and not waiting for McKay to come up with a viable solution. What are everyone else's thoughts?

Hmm I've been wondering the same thing.

I think his *true* reaction, will be 'oh thank god!', but most likely it will be stronger internally than it is manifested externally.

Externally he might go the sock in the face option (or at least the verbal equivalent) to deflect attention from the fact that he's relieved.

Then again I could also see him being totally and unabashedly gleeful that Shep's ok...

Hmm it's a tough one.

Maybe he'll be ultra-gleeful and sweep Shep into a bear hug, then recover his snarkibilities and sock him one?? :o;)

Porthos1013

June 9th, 2005, 10:19 AM

Hmm I've been wondering the same thing.

I think his *true* reaction, will be 'oh thank god!', but most likely it will be stronger internally than it is manifested externally.

Externally he might go the sock in the face option (or at least the verbal equivalent) to deflect attention from the fact that he's relieved.

Then again I could also see him being totally and unabashedly gleeful that Shep's ok...

Hmm it's a tough one.

Maybe he'll be ultra-gleeful and sweep Shep into a bear hug, then recover his snarkibilities and sock him one?? :o;)
LoL :D Now you see why I'm having such a difficult time predicting what he'll do! I can picture him doing either. ;)

Elinor

June 9th, 2005, 10:25 AM

LoL :D Now you see why I'm having such a difficult time predicting what he'll do! I can picture him doing either. ;)

Ooo...it is a tricky one!

He might just say "You OK?"......like he did in "The Defiant One".

I don't know.....can't wait to see!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/lachen/laughing-smiley-010.gif

strivaria

June 9th, 2005, 12:38 PM

Porthos1013

June 9th, 2005, 12:43 PM

He might do the "You OK?" thing, but he'll be really exhausted (I'm betting he's not going to be able to sleep until it's over.... if even then)... so I think usual snarky defenses are going to be a bit weak. I'm hoping we'll get a "spacemonkey" moment before he remembers he's mad and tears into him. :)
Oh, that would be so sweet! I'd like to see that.

Then again, we'll probably not see the actual reunion... just a shot of Rodney's reaction as part of the general control room collective sigh of relief.
Yeah, you're probably right. Oh, well, that just means we'll get to read about it in fanfic, which is sometimes more satisfying than whatever's on the show, anyway! ;)

Shonaille

June 9th, 2005, 03:11 PM

Oh, that would be so sweet! I'd like to see that.

Yeah, you're probably right. Oh, well, that just means we'll get to read about it in fanfic, which is sometimes more satisfying than whatever's on the show, anyway! ;)
I'd be really sad if we didn't get to see Rodney and John reunite bcse John taking the jumper with the nuclear bomb Rodney made had such an emotional impact on him I'd feel cheated if they didn't follow through. I've got faith in PTB, so far when it comes to these two they don't dissapoint.

Easter Lily

June 10th, 2005, 12:55 AM

My version of what happens Post Seige 3

R: Were you terrified at the prospect of not returning? Admit it... you were apprehensive at the thought that I was not by your side to get you out of this situation...
S: Not so much...
R: I don't believe it for one minute
S: Believe what you want... But contrary what you think, you're not superman... And you're certainly not indispensible...
R: I'm not?!!!... Since when...?!!! Who's been spreading unsubstantiated lies about me..
S: Since the time I saved the city from the Genii... :rolleyes: Since the time I solved the puzzle at Dagan, no thanks to you and saved your sorry, scientific a**... :rolleyes: Since I had to take the jumper out on my own because you couldn't figure how to work it by remote... No Rodney... I DIDN'T MISS YOU...
R: Sure you did... but are too embarrassed to say so...
S: Rodney... which part of DIDN'T don't you understand... Now I know why parents send their children to their room when they get on their nerves...
R: Ah ha... you did miss me...
S: Did not...
R: Did so...
Weir: Gentlemen... break this up now...

SaharaGate

June 10th, 2005, 04:53 AM

He might do the "You OK?" thing, but he'll be really exhausted (I'm betting he's not going to be able to sleep until it's over.... if even then)... so I think usual snarky defenses are going to be a bit weak. I'm hoping we'll get a "spacemonkey" moment before he remembers he's mad and tears into him.

That would be fantastic :D And I don't think it's too much to hope for at some stage...just not sure it will happen this time around.

But hey, i'm sure there'll be some life-threatening-omg-i-thought-you-were-dead situations just around the corner.

Plenty of opportunities ;)

:) Then again, we'll probably not see the actual reunion... just a shot of Rodney's reaction as part of the general control room collective sigh of relief.

Yes it would seem so.

I don't hold out a huge amount of hope :o

SaharaGate

June 10th, 2005, 04:58 AM

I'd be really sad if we didn't get to see Rodney and John reunite bcse John taking the jumper with the nuclear bomb Rodney made had such an emotional impact on him I'd feel cheated if they didn't follow through. I've got faith in PTB, so far when it comes to these two they don't dissapoint.

I wish I was as optimistic.

Not htat I don't have faith in PTB when it comes to Atlantis...they've done a great job so far, and that's the only reason I'm reserving judgement on the whole Ronan Dex thing....it does nothing for me atm, but in time he could be my fav character for all i know.

But I'm just not sure the Shep/Rodney dynamic is front-centre here.

Sometiems it feels like the Sheppard & McKay show (which is not a bad thing at all ;)), other times their dynamic is very much in the background.

I do, however, think that David Hewlett is likely to slip something in, regardless of whether an actual 'moment' is scripted.

Rodney's emotions are always so clearly visible, even when David's in the background and not involved much in a scene (see Sanctuary if you don't believe me heh).

Shep is more of a closed book, but Joe has a pretty fine repertoire of facial expressions too heh.

I'm banking on the collective gateroom scene, with Rodney in the background doing something to make himself and his reaction noticeable ;)

SaharaGate

June 10th, 2005, 05:01 AM

Porthos1013

June 10th, 2005, 09:12 AM

I wish I was as optimistic.

Not htat I don't have faith in PTB when it comes to Atlantis...they've done a great job so far, and that's the only reason I'm reserving judgement on the whole Ronan Dex thing....it does nothing for me atm, but in time he could be my fav character for all i know.

But I'm just not sure the Shep/Rodney dynamic is front-centre here.

Sometiems it feels like the Sheppard & McKay show (which is not a bad thing at all ;)), other times their dynamic is very much in the background.

I do, however, think that David Hewlett is likely to slip something in, regardless of whether an actual 'moment' is scripted.

Rodney's emotions are always so clearly visible, even when David's in the background and not involved much in a scene (see Sanctuary if you don't believe me heh).

Shep is more of a closed book, but Joe has a pretty fine repertoire of facial expressions too heh.

I'm banking on the collective gateroom scene, with Rodney in the background doing something to make himself and his reaction noticeable ;)
I never thought of that! Okay, you just gave me a glimmer of hope for some sort of reaction, even if it is only minor. I'll be watching for that in Seige 3! :D

Shonaille

June 10th, 2005, 09:23 AM

But I'm just not sure the Shep/Rodney dynamic is front-centre here.

Sometiems it feels like the Sheppard & McKay show (which is not a bad thing at all ;)), other times their dynamic is very much in the background.

;)

From what I've read in interviews for season 1, the PTB were not expecting the McShep interaction to be so essential to the show and were taken by surprise when Jf and DH had so much chemistry togethor. However, from more recent interviews with writers, they are very well aware of the McShep chemistry so Im hoping that puts it more front-centre for season 2.

Porthos1013

June 10th, 2005, 10:01 AM

From what I've read in interviews for season 1, the PTB were not expecting the McShep interaction to be so essential to the show and were taken by surprise when Jf and DH had so much chemistry togethor. However, from more recent interviews with writers, they are very well aware of the McShep chemistry so Im hoping that puts it more front-centre for season 2.
Oh, I hope so! I'd love to see more of it! To be honest, the Jack-Daniel interaction was the biggest draw for me on Stargate SG-1, so much so that I stopped watching in S6 when Danny was off being glowy somewhere. I'm seriously considering not watching S9, but I've heard such wonderful things from the actors in interviews that I'm going to give it a chance. So, it's easy for me to see JF and DH's interaction as one of the key elements to the success of Atlantis. It just wouldn't be the same show without a healthy dose of McShep squabble! ;) And I probably wouldn't be nearly as interested in it as I currently am! :D

SaharaGate

June 10th, 2005, 07:40 PM

SaharaGate

June 10th, 2005, 07:46 PM

So, it's easy for me to see JF and DH's interaction as one of the key elements to the success of Atlantis. It just wouldn't be the same show without a healthy dose of McShep squabble! ;) And I probably wouldn't be nearly as interested in it as I currently am! :D

Absolutely.

I'd still be watching the show because it has solid story lines, a great concept and because I like it's darker edge and the humour mixed in, but as far as feeling attached to the characters goes, it's John & Rodney all the way.

Not that I don't love the others too (especially Beckett hee).

But I think the McShep interaction sets the tone for the rest of the show.

Face it...when they're happy, everyone's happy. When they're pissy...well everyone is miserable.:D

Porthos1013

June 10th, 2005, 09:55 PM

Face it...when they're happy, everyone's happy. When they're pissy...well everyone is miserable.:D
Yeah, you're totally right...well, except for whumpers, little sadists that we are. We're happy when they're hurt and all woobie-ish. ;)

John_Sheppard

June 10th, 2005, 10:15 PM

I agree.

Still think its funny when they argue but. The beginning of "The Defiant One" where McKays flying the ship is priceless. Laughed so much I fell of my chair.

SaharaGate

June 10th, 2005, 10:44 PM

Yeah, you're totally right...well, except for whumpers, little sadists that we are. We're happy when they're hurt and all woobie-ish. ;)

See now the Shep-whumping I can understand. He takes it so well and looks so good (see Defiant One ;)) and people (like Rodney) get to be all concerned and try to save him and stuff ;) and Shep gets to do his stoic-hero-doesn't-know-the-meaning-of-the-words-danger-and-pain routine.

But with Rodney...I can't handle the whump I'm afraid.

Whenever someone hurts or threatens him (Storm/Eye) or whumps him emotionally (Sanctuary) or even just refuses to acknowledge his inherent genius (ehh...every ep) I feel all defensive.

*you leave Rodney alone!* has been known to pop out of my mouth...

SaharaGate

June 10th, 2005, 10:48 PM

I agree.

Still think its funny when they argue but. The beginning of "The Defiant One" where McKays flying the ship is priceless. Laughed so much I fell of my chair.

It's fun when they argue.

Even *THEY* look like they're having fun when they argue :p

Shonaille

June 10th, 2005, 10:49 PM

See now the Shep-whumping I can understand. He takes it so well and looks so good (see Defiant One ;)) and people (like Rodney) get to be all concerned and try to save him and stuff ;) and Shep gets to do his stoic-hero-doesn't-know-the-meaning-of-the-words-danger-and-pain routine.

But with Rodney...I can't handle the whump I'm afraid.

Whenever someone hurts or threatens him (Storm/Eye) or whumps him emotionally (Sanctuary) or even just refuses to acknowledge his inherent genius (ehh...every ep) I feel all defensive.

*you leave Rodney alone!* has been known to pop out of my mouth...

Yeah me too, I get the same way. I don't think I could ever handle an onscreen torture scene with McKay, it would be too traumatic, I mean those eyes :( it would be too much for me. It would hurt me to see Shep tortured or hurt badly but he's got more experience with that kinda thing, he's more hardened in a way. Also, I don't want to see McKay to get hardened as well, that would be too much even though it would give us some awesome McKay-Sheppard whump moments.

SaharaGate

June 10th, 2005, 11:05 PM

Yeah me too, I get the same way. I don't think I could ever handle an onscreen torture scene with McKay, it would be too traumatic, I mean those eyes :( it would be too much for me. It would hurt me to see Shep tortured or hurt badly but he's got more experience with that kinda thing, he's more hardened in a way. Also, I don't want to see McKay to get hardened as well, that would be too much even though it would give us some awesome McKay-Sheppard whump moments.

*nods*

Totally agree.

Rodney is actually a spectacularly vulnerable character.

Hurting him is like hurting a small kitten lol.

As much as it is wonderful seeing the changes in him (and I think Shep is encouraging those changes), I would be devastated if he changed too much or grew too accustomed with loss (because to lose someone means to care for someone in the first place).

What Rodney is to Atlantis is what Daniel was to SG in the early seasons: he brings the vulnerability, a certain innocence. Rodney, like Daniel, is all about the learning and the journey...though in a very different way. Rodney is learning to appreciate things in a way he never did before, and learning to approach problems in a very different way. Daniel was into learning for learning's sake.

Shep on the other hand, seems to already be accustomed to loss, to have already experienced tragedy (not that Rodney hasn't) and to have already created a hardened outer shell to deal with it (ie. that of the soldier).

Rodney has a rather prickly outer shell, one that keeps people out altogether.

Shep's shell keeps everybody at a friendly but comfortable distance.

John_Sheppard

June 10th, 2005, 11:10 PM

Yeah I get angry when people hurt Rodney. Rodneys cool, and anyone who picks on him is uncool!

SaharaGate

June 10th, 2005, 11:13 PM

[afterthought to my last post]

I think Rodney's prickly shell is a bit of a bluff though. It doesn't take much to bring down his defenses.

One small display of kindness and I think he'd be your friend for life.

Shep's is a lot harder to dispell simply because it is less obvious. He keeps everyone at this safe distancce and it's much harder to reach beyond that.

I think it would take a lot more hard work to get past his barriers than Rodney's.

Unless you're Teyla :p (j/k...I don't think she has either. He just seemd to trust her rather quickly)

SaharaGate

June 11th, 2005, 12:12 AM

Jafana

June 11th, 2005, 02:32 AM

Just read this new interview (http://scifi.about.com/od/stargateatlantis/a/hewlett1.htm) with David Hewlett and HAD to come here and quote this bit:

>> DH: Flanigan is a lot of fun. It’s very nice to have our leading man so jocular. None of that highl-falutin’ stuff. Sheppard and McKay, we’re the glue, arguing the things that need to be debated. <<

Awww.

*sniff*.

That's so true :o

They're the two that come right out and say it when they disagree...they provide both sides of the argument - in the most snarktastic of ways :D
Can I just say, in that same interview, DH used the word Snark.
yay him

I love the way the mcshep dynamic has become more important to the writers
I'm also desperate to find out why rodney gets strung upside down in a tree..

is it july yet?

IWantToBelieve

June 11th, 2005, 05:45 AM

I'm a lurker on the boards, but I've got to say the McShep interaction is a main attraction for me with the show. The two together are awesome (and I'm not meaning slash either). They do have great online chemistry, and great interactions with each other.

I started watching just out of curiousity and because that cute man that played Sheppard looked fun in the commercials - and then I was hooked because of two major points. That 'cute leading man' is a brilliant actor, and the two main men have wonderful banter and interactions, and make for a very enjoyable show!

Now, of course, I enjoy the stories, and the graphics, and technology and all that other stuff - but you take away JF and DH, and I don't know if the magic would still be there.

smushybird

June 12th, 2005, 01:31 PM

LOL...this has totally turned into a thunk thread...:p

Okay, to spark a little discussion: What do you think Rodney's reaction will be when John comes back in Seige 3? (Spoiler tags just a formality, I figure pretty much everyone knows this, and if you don't then you should have guessed it, I should hope!)

Personally, I'm stuck between the "Oh, thank god!" reaction or a good sock in the face for being in such a hurry to go get himself killed and not waiting for McKay to come up with a viable solution. What are everyone else's thoughts?

That's what my girlfriend imagined, a sock in the nose scenario, but softy that I am, I envision more of a snarky relief. He's too pooped for much else.
I just hope we get *some* reaction, you know? Not just from Liz and Teyla, but from the guys, too.

Jafana

June 12th, 2005, 02:49 PM

That's what my girlfriend imagined, a sock in the nose scenario, but softy that I am, I envision more of a snarky relief. He's too pooped for much else.
I just hope we get *some* reaction, you know? Not just from Liz and Teyla, but from the guys, too.
I think, from history, we'll get the SaharaGate version. That one shot that speaks volumes.
TPTB love those shots, and they are so interpretable.
And, like you said, smushy, McKay is gonna be too pooped to do more than that. He's been awake for like, a week. He's not a well boy. Poor darlin'.

SaharaGate

June 12th, 2005, 06:19 PM

I'm a lurker on the boards, but I've got to say the McShep interaction is a main attraction for me with the show. The two together are awesome (and I'm not meaning slash either). They do have great online chemistry, and great interactions with each other.
Well welcome to the McShep thread then :)

And I agree...it's easy enough to read slash into their relationship if people want to, but fundamentally they just have great chemistry and are a blast to watch :)

I started watching just out of curiousity and because that cute man that played Sheppard looked fun in the commercials - and then I was hooked because of two major points. That 'cute leading man' is a brilliant actor, and the two main men have wonderful banter and interactions, and make for a very enjoyable show!

I started watching because it was SG and because the Wraith sounded cool. I had my reservations about the cast, until I heard that David Hewlett had joined and then I was really excited.
The other cast members grew on me and it was Shep's interactions with McKay that hooked me completely.

Now, of course, I enjoy the stories, and the graphics, and technology and all that other stuff - but you take away JF and DH, and I don't know if the magic would still be there.

I agree. I think those two really are the core of the show, the 'glue', as DH said, that holds it all together. Because they seem so real as characters, and because their interactions are just inane and petty enough to also seem very real, they also make the Atlantis universe seem more real.

That balance is really important in a show that touches on some really dark topics.

watcher652

June 12th, 2005, 06:37 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0108%20Underground/0108Underground1256026.jpg

Sheppard: Why are all these people talking about us?
McKay: How should I know? Who do you think I am, the Answer Man?
Sheppard: Well, McKay, you certainly act like the Answer Man. You keep telling us you're the genius here. You should know why these people are fixated on us.
McKay: Who cares? As long as they keep watching the show, I say let them stay in the dark. A little mystery will keep them coming back.
Sheppard: It's probably the chemistry.
McKay: I'm an astrophysicist, not a chemist.
Sheppard: No, I mean personal chemistry. Like Hope and Crosby, Martin and Lewis, you know.
McKay: Showing your age there, aren't you Major?
Sheppard: Classic is classic, McKay.
McKay: Hmm. McKay and Sheppard. I like that.
Sheppard: Hey! What's wrong with Sheppard and McKay?
McKay: I think you're a little late with that. The people have spoken. Haven't you heard of McShep? Nobody says ShepKay.
Sheppard: Who says?
McKay: I do. And you're right. I am the Answer Man.

SaharaGate

June 12th, 2005, 06:45 PM

John_Sheppard

June 12th, 2005, 06:51 PM

Lol. Very nice!

Wish I was good at captions, but I'm not! *sigh*

Porthos1013

June 12th, 2005, 08:39 PM

Watcher, that's great! :D I'd give you green, but it won't let me...:mad: will try again later.

SaharaGate

June 15th, 2005, 01:28 AM

Woo!

JM replied to my McShep related question:

Originally Posted by SaharaGate
Hi Joe,

SNIP
over on the Sheppard-Mckay discussion thread it was suggested that the chemistry between Shep and McKay, unlike the Jack-Daniel banter, kind of 'just happened' and wasn't originally scripted or intended to be front-centre of the show.

So is their snarktastic relationship a product of Joe & David, which the writers have picked up on, or something more deliberate?
It's a little more deliberate. As you may or may not know, the addition of Dr. McKay to Atlantis team was a last minute decision so, in that respect, the chemistry was not planned. However, it was something we were hoping to develop and David and Joe's ability to really convey that chemistry onscreen went a long way toward making it a staple of the show.

So I guess it's a bit of both...

Natural chemistry and hopefull ptb = McShep :D

Weir_D

June 15th, 2005, 02:54 AM

So ... just a question about this thread. Is it for McKay/Sheppard shippers? Or just about them being friends? Or both? Lol.

Just thought I'd check. I don't think I see them together, thats just me of course, lol, but I do think they're just TOO funny together. Sort of like Jack and Daniel, and they were very funny.

Again, would love more then anything to post a picture (I love pictures), but as you know, its just not happening tonight.

SaharaGate

June 15th, 2005, 03:13 AM

So ... just a question about this thread. Is it for McKay/Sheppard shippers? Or just about them being friends? Or both? Lol.
Lol!

This isn't intended as a ship/slash thread (I think there was one around here somewhere at some stage though...) just a discussion thread about the Shep-Mckay relationship (however you see it). Slashers, shippers and noromos and whumpers and whatever other category you can think of are all welcome though and valid topics.

So it's not suprising there is slash heh.

Just thought I'd check. I don't think I see them together, thats just me of course, lol, but I do think they're just TOO funny together. Sort of like Jack and Daniel, and they were very funny.

Lol, I can see why you might have been wondering ;)

WELCOME though to the thread :)

And I agree...they're the new Jack & Daniel.

Only much bettererer. :D

Again, would love more then anything to post a picture (I love pictures), but as you know, its just not happening tonight.

Wait long enough and Watcher is bound to pop up with a cap or 12 ;).

In the meantime...i'll see if i can't find one.

SaharaGate

June 15th, 2005, 03:24 AM

Here we go (not mine...don't remember where I got it. I just resized and hosted it)

http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/eww.jpg

McKay: Do you really think that's a good idea?
Shep: What?
McKay: Why do you always have to touch everything? What are you, 12?
Shep: Just cause I carry my years better than you...
McKay: It's not your years I'm worried you're carrying. What about DISEASES? Retroviruses? Nanites? God forbid...SPIDERS?
Shep: Eww!
McKay: You hate spiders too?
Shep:, No, it just...feels squishy.
McKay: Squishy...squishy is bad. Bad squishy!
Shep: Now who's 12!

Jafana

June 15th, 2005, 05:51 AM

Shep:, No, it just...feels squishy.
McKay: Squishy...squishy is bad. Bad squishy!
Shep: Now who's 12!
OH MY GOODNESS!!

LMAO

bad squishy!!!

so, so good.

and really thats all I have to say.

SGLAB

June 15th, 2005, 08:53 AM

watcher652

June 15th, 2005, 10:51 AM

So ... just a question about this thread. Is it for McKay/Sheppard shippers? Or just about them being friends? Or both? Lol.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0108%20Underground/0108Underground1414855.jpg

Rodney: What's with some of these people? Can't a couple of guys be friends without it being anything more than that?

John: Well, it's the times we live in, I suppose. We do have that banter thing going for us.

Rodney: So? You'd think that would make us buddies, not something more.

John: Well, as long as they keep watching the show, what they think in their down time is ok.

Rodney: Hey, that's what I said the last time!

smushybird

June 15th, 2005, 01:01 PM

Woo!

JM replied to my McShep related question:

So I guess it's a bit of both...

Natural chemistry and hopefull ptb = McShep :D

First, congrats on having your q answered. :) And a good q, too.

I still suspect it's mostly natural chemistry, tho'....99.9 percent of it.
I bet they were more concerned with hoping for good chemistry between Weir and McKay, Sheppard and Teyla. Funny, that the strongest, brightest chemistry (shippy or slashy) on the whole show is between McKay and Sheppard. :D

And utterly fantastic, if you ask me. :)

It's 99.9 percent of the reason I watch.

SaharaGate

June 16th, 2005, 04:14 AM

Rodney: What's with some of these people? Can't a couple of guys be friends without it being anything more than that?

John: Well, it's the times we live in, I suppose. We do have that banter thing going for us.

Rodney: So? You'd think that would make us buddies, not something more.

John: Well, as long as they keep watching the show, what they think in their down time is ok.

Rodney: Hey, that's what I said the last time!

Lol!

Well you see there are 2 schools of thought about any slash dynamic that may, or may not, or may, or may not exist between Shep & McKay. And they go something like this:

1. Shep & McKay? In lurve? No way! They're just good buddies. Look, I can prove it:

Exhibit A: Sanctuary....shep gets some het-loving. Obviously, Shep has no compunctions about consorting with (hot) aliens. But clearly he would draw the line at another man. Especially a scientist. Shep must be straight as an arrow.
Exhibit B: Samantha Carter. Need I say more? Ok I will. It was a night she would always remember...no matter how much she tried to forget ;)
Exhibit C: It cannot be so! Shep is destined to be with Teyla!
Exhibit D: It can't be true! Shep is destined to be with Liz!
Exhibit E: It can't be true! Shep is destined to remain available for Alien Bimbo Of The Week!
Exhibit F: It can't be true! Shep is destined to remain available for [insert own name here].
Exhibit G: It can't be true! Rodney is destined for Sam!
Exhibit H: It can't be so! Rodney is destined to be with Heightmeyer!
Exhibit I: It can't be true! Rodney is destined for Beckett! :p
Exhibit J: Are you kidding? There has never been anything remotely romantic about their interaction on the show whatsoever. Oh wait there was that...oh no, never mind. That incident was just the Athosian Moonshine talking (and if anybody finds my towel, PM me please...the galaxy is a big place. Thanks).

2. Shep and McKay are soooooooo doing it. I mean look at the hair...

Exhibit A: Sanctuary. Rodney was acting very odd in this episode. So odd in fact that there's only one conclusion: he was totally and spectacularly jealous of Chaya who was glowing herself at his man-crush like some kind of intergalactic trollop.
Exhibit B: Samantha Carter. Rodney was so crushed by his dream-woman that he took his misogyny to a whole nother level...:p
Exhibit C: It must be true! Why else wouldn't Shep be all over Teyla/Liz/[insert own name here] by now?
Exhibit D: It must be true! Shep spends almost as much time observing Rodney's hands as his fangirls do. Can we say hand-porn?
Exhibit E: It must be true! Shep's so hawt, nobody could resist him. Even another man! Not even another man who is a genius and has a thing for blondes, not brunettes. Everybody knows that. Snerk.:p
Exhibit F: Major John Sheppard of the United States Airforce: any seemingly available man who is that hawt (even if fictional) and has managed to remain seemingly available for his entire 30+ years and who has no other discernable flaws of character or person that would prevent him from engaging in a successful relationship with a member of the opposite sex, must therefore, as a direct result and in a stunning yet not entirely humourless display of spitefulness on behalf of the universe, be gay.

Take your pick ;) :p

SaharaGate

June 16th, 2005, 04:28 AM

First, congrats on having your q answered. :) And a good q, too.

Thankies :)

I was so glad he answered :D

I still suspect it's mostly natural chemistry, tho'....99.9 percent of it.
I bet they were more concerned with hoping for good chemistry between Weir and McKay, Sheppard and Teyla. Funny, that the strongest, brightest chemistry (shippy or slashy) on the whole show is between McKay and Sheppard. :D

And utterly fantastic, if you ask me. :)

It's 99.9 percent of the reason I watch.

Lol.

Oh yes, I agree. They are a lively duo. Keep everybody on their toes.

It's most of the reason I watch too.

Altho I do rather like the explosions too...;)

strivaria

June 16th, 2005, 04:36 AM

Exhibit J: Are you kidding? There has never been anything remotely romantic about their interaction on the show whatsoever. Oh wait there was that...oh no, never mind. That incident was just the Athosian Moonshine talking (and if anybody finds my towel, PM me please...the galaxy is a big place. Thanks).

Ahhh, but you see when it comes to these two, they've obviously not gone beyond the pig-tail pulling stage of romantic interaction and thus all their teasing/taunting/snarking is how they express their love for each other. :D ;)

So, uh... yeah, I'm a slasher, but I get that this is really just a good buddy relationship between Rodney and John. Like they've mentioned before, their's is the Hope/Crosby shtick and nothing more than that.

Elinor

June 16th, 2005, 09:05 AM

Lol!

Well you see there are 2 schools of thought about any slash dynamic that may, or may not, or may, or may not exist between Shep & McKay. And they go something like this:

1. Shep & McKay? In lurve? No way! They're just good buddies. Look, I can prove it:

Exhibit A: Sanctuary....shep gets some het-loving. Obviously, Shep has no compunctions about consorting with (hot) aliens. But clearly he would draw the line at another man. Especially a scientist. Shep must be straight as an arrow.
Exhibit B: Samantha Carter. Need I say more? Ok I will. It was a night she would always remember...no matter how much she tried to forget ;)
Exhibit C: It cannot be so! Shep is destined to be with Teyla!
Exhibit D: It can't be true! Shep is destined to be with Liz!
Exhibit E: It can't be true! Shep is destined to remain available for Alien Bimbo Of The Week!
Exhibit F: It can't be true! Shep is destined to remain available for [insert own name here].
Exhibit G: It can't be true! Rodney is destined for Sam!
Exhibit H: It can't be so! Rodney is destined to be with Heightmeyer!
Exhibit I: It can't be true! Rodney is destined for Beckett! :p
Exhibit J: Are you kidding? There has never been anything remotely romantic about their interaction on the show whatsoever. Oh wait there was that...oh no, never mind. That incident was just the Athosian Moonshine talking (and if anybody finds my towel, PM me please...the galaxy is a big place. Thanks).

2. Shep and McKay are soooooooo doing it. I mean look at the hair...

Exhibit A: Sanctuary. Rodney was acting very odd in this episode. So odd in fact that there's only one conclusion: he was totally and spectacularly jealous of Chaya who was glowing herself at his man-crush like some kind of intergalactic trollop.
Exhibit B: Samantha Carter. Rodney was so crushed by his dream-woman that he took his misogyny to a whole nother level...:p
Exhibit C: It must be true! Why else wouldn't Shep be all over Teyla/Liz/[insert own name here] by now?
Exhibit D: It must be true! Shep spends almost as much time observing Rodney's hands as his fangirls do. Can we say hand-porn?
Exhibit E: It must be true! Shep's so hawt, nobody could resist him. Even another man! Not even another man who is a genius and has a thing for blondes, not brunettes. Everybody knows that. Snerk.:p
Exhibit F: Major John Sheppard of the United States Airforce: any seemingly available man who is that hawt (even if fictional) and has managed to remain seemingly available for his entire 30+ years and who has no other discernable flaws of character or person that would prevent him from engaging in a successful relationship with a member of the opposite sex, must therefore, as a direct result and in a stunning yet not entirely humourless display of spitefulness on behalf of the universe, be gay.

Take your pick ;) :p

That is SO funny!! Brilliant!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/lachen/laughing-smiley-002.gif

SGLAB

June 16th, 2005, 09:39 AM

Lol!
Exhibit I: It can't be true! Rodney is destined for Beckett! :p

Okay, I admit, I like this one. :D

Wordsmit2

June 16th, 2005, 11:08 AM

It would hurt me to see Shep tortured or hurt badly but he's got more experience with that kinda thing, he's more hardened in a way.

The Canadian Air Force must be one hell of an organization...

This is something I don't get about Stargate Atlantis. Sheppard is a pilot. Worse, he's (U.S.) Air Force. Unless he got shot down and captured--which should have been mentioned by now--the most experience he has is in trying *not* to get shot down. As for being a squad leader, he might have had some training in how to be part of a squad during the period between Daniel's discovering Atlantis's address and the expedition actually dialing it, but I can't imagine why. He's an Air Force pilot seconded to a Marine detachment. He was expected to activate Ancient gadets and learn to fly any air or space craft the expedition happened to find. Yet Stargate Atlantis has him top dog among the military personnel and leader of the first contact team. In a pig's eye!

Shonaille

June 16th, 2005, 11:59 AM

The Canadian Air Force must be one hell of an organization...

This is something I don't get about Stargate Atlantis. Sheppard is a pilot. Worse, he's (U.S.) Air Force. Unless he got shot down and captured--which should have been mentioned by now--the most experience he has is in trying *not* to get shot down. As for being a squad leader, he might have had some training in how to be part of a squad during the period between Daniel's discovering Atlantis's address and the expedition actually dialing it, but I can't imagine why. He's an Air Force pilot seconded to a Marine detachment. He was expected to activate Ancient gadets and learn to fly any air or space craft the expedition happened to find. Yet Stargate Atlantis has him top dog among the military personnel and leader of the first contact team. In a pig's eye!

Excuse but what are you going on about? I was refering to who would be able to deal with life and death situations more, Rodney or Sheppard and I said due to the experiences Shep has had he would be better off. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should be a little more careful to what your replying to.

smushybird

June 16th, 2005, 12:05 PM

Ahhh, but you see when it comes to these two, they've obviously not gone beyond the pig-tail pulling stage of romantic interaction and thus all their teasing/taunting/snarking is how they express their love for each other. :D ;)

So, uh... yeah, I'm a slasher, but I get that this is really just a good buddy relationship between Rodney and John. Like they've mentioned before, their's is the Hope/Crosby shtick and nothing more than that.

Hmm. We might want to take into consideration that Hope and Crosby smooched each other at least twice in all their pictures together (ok, not deliberately) and furthermore engaged in a surprising amount of innuendo for the time period. Hell, in one movie, they were even (ok, accidentally) married to each other (and Hope made some comment along the lines of "one of us is going to have to go to Reno" :) ). I'm just saying. :D

Also I think a case could be made that JF and DH with some help from the writers are merely tormenting us for the fun of it (I mean, certainly with Sanctuary...c'mon!). In which case I say please continue to torment away. ;)

I'm a slasher too and I, too, get that it's a good buddy/snarky friendship thing with John and Rodney. But the subtext so far (hey, I look for it) has been very entertaining.

smushybird

June 16th, 2005, 12:21 PM

Sheppard is a pilot. Worse, he's (U.S.) Air Force. Unless he got shot down and captured--which should have been mentioned by now

Why should it have been mentioned by now, necessarily? They have been hugely secretive about Sheppard's past so far, leaving the impression (with me, anyway) that there are some interesting dark corners yet to be explored. Despite the easy-going guy he presents to the world, Sheppard is obviously a tough cookie and could probably bear up a whole lot better under torture than Rodney with his poor little leg cramps. :D (not that Rodney hasn't been a tough cookie at times - Go, Rodney!)
I'm very much looking forward to seeing more of Sheppard's personal history come out in Season 2. I just hope the writers give us some. I just get the sense there is a whole lot more to it than nice guy Air Force pilot.

Ashta

June 16th, 2005, 12:33 PM

lol... must remember to come to this thread more often! You guys are a hoot! :D

smushybird

June 16th, 2005, 12:43 PM

Exhibit D: It must be true! Shep spends almost as much time observing Rodney's hands as his fangirls do.

Yeah! :) I loved that one scene in Suspicion. That was one of my favorite McKay Sheppard moments. Rodney's nervousness was adorable and Sheppard noticing it...awww, just smushed my little heart (yeah, I'm easy :D ). Am so happy the writers think about and get in all those nice little friendshippy (or slashy, take your pick) moments. It never felt (to me) like there was quite enough of it in SG1 (maybe cuz I grew up on Starsky and Hutch :D ) but it's been fairly yummy so far on SGA. I hope they keep it up and do not let talk of slashiness deter them. Even the slashfans know it's not going to turn into a passionate love affair on screen (alas :D ). Friendship is good too...as long as we can see the friendshippy love once in a while. ;)

Ashta

June 16th, 2005, 12:59 PM

I must confess, even though I'm not much of a Shep gal myself, the banter and the friendship between Mckay and Shep has grown on me. :D

strivaria

June 16th, 2005, 01:52 PM

Hmm. We might want to take into consideration that Hope and Crosby smooched each other at least twice in all their pictures together (ok, not deliberately) and furthermore engaged in a surprising amount of innuendo for the time period. Hell, in one movie, they were even (ok, accidentally) married to each other (and Hope made some comment along the lines of "one of us is going to have to go to Reno" :) ). I'm just saying. :D

Ha! I must have missed those parts then... although... hm. Well, maybe there's hope for us poor slashers yet. :D I'd wonder if the writers and all are aware of the slashy subtext going on (in general), but I'm fairly certain they do know. Consider the joke told by both Martin Wood and Joe Flanigan about one scene in an upcoming S2 ep. Apparently Rodney comes to John's door and asks to come in. John looks over his shoulder then looks back to McKay and tells him no. The door closes, and a)Zelenka pops up from under the bed covers (Martin's version) or b)Martin Wood sneaks out of the bathroom in his boxers (Joe's version).

Ashta

June 16th, 2005, 02:02 PM

slashy-innuendos (even if they go no further than innuendos) are still awesome. Thank goodness todays society isn't so... closed minded!

Well, maybe there's hope for us poor slashers yet. I'd wonder if the writers and all are aware of the slashy subtext going on (in general), but I'm fairly certain they do know. Consider the joke told by both Martin Wood and Joe Flanigan about one scene in an upcoming S2 ep. Apparently Rodney comes to John's door and asks to come in. John looks over his shoulder then looks back to McKay and tells him no. The door closes, and a)Zelenka pops up from under the bed covers (Martin's version) or b)Martin Wood sneaks out of the bathroom in his boxers (Joe's version).

rotflmao

Porthos1013

June 16th, 2005, 03:41 PM

Wow, I must be the only non-slasher on this thread. :( I feel so lonely!

Personally, I don't have a problem with the slashy subtext, because I know it won't be canon. But I love the interaction between the two on any level, it is the major draw to the series for me, just as Jack-Daniel banter was for SG-1. It somehow makes it more real to me, because I feel like I'm not so much watching a cool sci-fi show (although it is!) as I am watching a show about a couple of guys and their friendship. I guess it's like a sci-fi tv version of a buddy movie for me...if that makes sense.

And SaharaGate, you should be ashamed! You forgot viewpoint #1, Exhibit K: It can't be true! McKay is destined to remain available for [insert own name here]! :D

strivaria

June 16th, 2005, 03:55 PM

Wow, I must be the only non-slasher on this thread. :( I feel so lonely!

And SaharaGate, you should be ashamed! You forgot viewpoint #1, Exhibit K: It can't be true! McKay is destined to remain available for [insert own name here]! :D

Oh, we're not that bad... quite a friendly bunch actually. :) Honestly though, I'd hope that TPTB leave the subtext as just that... subtext. I don't really want to see romantic relations made overt between any of the characters... leave that sort of thing for fanfic where it belongs. That way everyone can read into (or not) it what they like. After all, there are folks out there who have written McKay/Kavanaugh relationship into fic. :eek:

Ahhh yes, Point 1, Exhibit K... I'm all for that one. :D Where do we line up for that? ;)

Ashta

June 16th, 2005, 04:14 PM

Porthos, don't worry, I'm not particularly slashy!

And YES EXIBIT K! The most important one of them all, as I'm sure everyone on the mckay/DH thunk thread would advocate this exhibit and therefore squabble about whose name should be inserted....

*mind once again lolling in the gutter*

Excuse me

SaharaGate

June 16th, 2005, 05:09 PM

Wow, I must be the only non-slasher on this thread. :( I feel so lonely!

Now, now I'm pretty sure I have never stated categorically whether I am, or am not, a slasher (and if I have...oops!).

I prefer to maintain an air of mystery :p

And SaharaGate, you should be ashamed! You forgot viewpoint #1, Exhibit K: It can't be true! McKay is destined to remain available for [insert own name here]! :D

:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

Oh my goodness!

*hangs head in shame*

You're right.

That was a horrible oversight, and one I have absolutely no excuse for since I'm a McKay girl through and through.

The only defence I can muster is that I was subconciously keeping that option for myself only, and didn't want to draw too much attention to it in case I got comptetition :p

*snags mckay*

MINE :D

Ashta

June 16th, 2005, 05:14 PM

The only defence I can muster is that I was subconciously keeping that option for myself only, and didn't want to draw too much attention to it in case I got comptetition

*snags mckay*

MINE

You won't get away with him that easily girly! You have some pretty stiff competition... well.. there's me for one and I'm shocking for always saying 'my Mckay' (possessive pronouns, aren't they grand?)

Porthos1013

June 16th, 2005, 05:23 PM

Oh, I think it's safe to say there'll be more than one challenger. <signs name on Deed of McKay Ownership.> That's right, folks, I just made it official: Rodney is mine! ;)

Aaaaaannnndddd........(to make this on topic)

Any chance of getting some John/Rodney pics, with funny captions? I could really use some cheering up, I've had the lousiest of lousy days today. :(:(:(

SaharaGate

June 16th, 2005, 05:29 PM

Honestly though, I'd hope that TPTB leave the subtext as just that... subtext. I don't really want to see romantic relations made overt between any of the characters... leave that sort of thing for fanfic where it belongs. That way everyone can read into (or not) it what they like. After all, there are folks out there who have written McKay/Kavanaugh relationship into fic. :eek:

I agree totally.

No into canonising the romance too much.

In fact, I don't even discuss romantic pairing on the boards really. I was into the S/J for ages (up till last season when it went kinda blah), but very rarely mentioned the fact on Gateworld or posted about it.

Since I'm lucky enough to have a whole bunch of real life SG/A buddies, I can keep the squeeing for when we have our little gatherings.

Which isn't to say I don't have my favourite little paings... ;)

Ahhh yes, Point 1, Exhibit K... I'm all for that one. :D Where do we line up for that? ;)

Behind me :p

SaharaGate

June 16th, 2005, 05:46 PM

Oh, I think it's safe to say there'll be more than one challenger. <signs name on Deed of McKay Ownership.> That's right, folks, I just made it official: Rodney is mine! ;)

Heh.

Whatever helps you sleep at night ;)

Aaaaaannnndddd........(to make this on topic)

Any chance of getting some John/Rodney pics, with funny captions? I could really use some cheering up, I've had the lousiest of lousy days today. :(:(:(

Alright, here you go. Hope it brightens your day :D

http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/uhoh.jpg

McKay: Uh oh.
Shep: Uh oh?
McKay: It's the fangirls. They're turning on each other.
Shep: No!
McKay: Yes! And it's over me! *Grins*
Shep: *rolls eyes* Your ego aside for a moment, this is bad. Very bad! What if they injur themselves? It could hurt the ratings!
McKay: Don't worry. Got it covered. *Points at own chest* Genius here remember.
Shep: Like you'd let me forget.
McKay: There's only one logical approach to this problem.
Shep: Retain an air of singledom and availableness so they think they have a chance?
McKay: Where's the fun in that? No no. I'll just start please them all on a rotational basis. Shouldn't take long to work out a roster that's fair to all...
Shep: Fair to all meaning fair to you...
McKay: Of course. Don't worry Major. I'll save Tuesdays for our chess game.

And now, I'm running late for work.

So don't y'all say I never do nothin for u :p

Porthos1013

June 16th, 2005, 05:54 PM

Heh.

Whatever helps you sleep at night ;)
Oh yes, I sleep quite well, right next to my very own Rodney McKay. ;)
(C'mon, you knew I had to go there after leaving it wide open for me!)

http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/uhoh.jpg

McKay: Uh oh.
Shep: Uh oh?
McKay: It's the fangirls. They're turning on each other.
Shep: No!
McKay: Yes! And it's over me! *Grins*
Shep: *rolls eyes* Your ego aside for a moment, this is bad. Very bad! What if they injur themselves? It could hurt the ratings!
McKay: Don't worry. Got it covered. *Points at own chest* Genius here remember.
Shep: Like you'd let me forget.
McKay: There's only one logical approach to this problem.
Shep: Retain an air of singledom and availableness so they think they have a chance?
McKay: Where's the fun in that? No no. I'll just start please them all on a rotational basis. Shouldn't take long to work out a roster that's fair to all...
Shep: Fair to all meaning fair to you...
McKay: Of course. Don't worry Major. I'll save Tuesdays for our chess game.

Hee! :D:D:D I absolutely LOVE you for this! :D <squee!> This is hilarious, and exactly what I needed right now! :P I wish I could give you green for this! Oh, well, I'll try tomorrow. :rolleyes:

PS~Where do I sign up to be put on that roster? :o ;)

SGLAB

June 16th, 2005, 07:59 PM

Sneaks in while all eyes are on Rodney. Spots Shep all alone and snatches him. Sees everyone's still distracted with fighting over Rodney. Runs out. ;)

Ashta

June 16th, 2005, 08:29 PM

McKay: Uh oh.
Shep: Uh oh?
McKay: It's the fangirls. They're turning on each other.
Shep: No!
McKay: Yes! And it's over me! *Grins*
Shep: *rolls eyes* Your ego aside for a moment, this is bad. Very bad! What if they injur themselves? It could hurt the ratings!
McKay: Don't worry. Got it covered. *Points at own chest* Genius here remember.
Shep: Like you'd let me forget.
McKay: There's only one logical approach to this problem.
Shep: Retain an air of singledom and availableness so they think they have a chance?
McKay: Where's the fun in that? No no. I'll just start please them all on a rotational basis. Shouldn't take long to work out a roster that's fair to all...
Shep: Fair to all meaning fair to you...
McKay: Of course. Don't worry Major. I'll save Tuesdays for our chess game.

pml! Hehe!

*sprays pharemones over Mckay*
He's totally mine now ;)

watcher652

June 17th, 2005, 12:27 AM

Yeah! :) I loved that one scene in Suspicion. That was one of my favorite McKay Sheppard moments. Rodney's nervousness was adorable and Sheppard noticing it...awww, just smushed my little heart (yeah, I'm easy :D ).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0105%20Suspicion/0105Suspicion3531965.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0105%20Suspicion/0105Suspicion3534301.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0105%20Suspicion/0105Suspicion3543393.jpg

watcher652

June 17th, 2005, 12:33 AM

Exhibit A: Sanctuary....shep gets some het-loving. Obviously, Shep has no compunctions about consorting with (hot) aliens. But clearly he would draw the line at another man. Especially a scientist. Shep must be straight as an arrow.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/watcher652/Atlantis%20Episodes/0116%20The%20Brotherhood/TheBrotherhood1303157.jpg

Rodney: What? Why doesn't The Brotherhood and Allina get mentioned? Just because I yawned in her face. I was tired! I'm an astrophysicist, not an archeologist!

SaharaGate

June 17th, 2005, 04:21 AM

Oh yes, I sleep quite well, right next to my very own Rodney McKay. ;)
(C'mon, you knew I had to go there after leaving it wide open for me!)
Why am I not surprised :rolleyes:

:p

Hee! :D:D:D I absolutely LOVE you for this! :D <squee!> This is hilarious, and exactly what I needed right now! :P I wish I could give you green for this! Oh, well, I'll try tomorrow. :rolleyes:

PS~Where do I sign up to be put on that roster? :o ;)

Right here:................

At the moment, McKay's personal schedule is looking like this:

Monday:
10am-2pm: Find a ZPM. Somewhere.
2pm-Late: Watch bad movies with Porthos.

Tuesday:
10am-2pm: Trip to the infirmary. Injury as yet unidentified.
2pm-Late: Chess with Sheppard. I'll show him who the Alpha Genius is (!)

Wednesday:
8am-2pm: Procure Athosian cloth dye and make Alpha Genius shirt. This may take the duration of the day in order to let the coats of paint dry between application.
2pm-Late: Allow Ashta to observe me typing. Get a massage when the inevitable cramp sets in.

Thursday:
10am-2pm: Save Atlantis. Do laundry.
2pm-Late: Explain the universe to SaharaGate. Slowly. Using no more than three syllables at a time. Offer to watch bad movies when she doesn't understand. Let her play with my laptop.

Friday:
10am-2pm: Save the Galaxy (may go overtime on this). Take Sheppard to explore what I suspect is one of the Ancients' laboraties in an unexplored sector of the city. Make him go in first.
2-late: Spend quality time with Fangirls by letting them take me out to dinner on M3X229. (Note: don't order the Blackhole Supreme: suspected citrus content)

Saturday:
Spend quality time with fangirls by allowing them to fan me with palm leaves for the duration of the day. Also have them do my laundry which didn't get done on Thursday and is no doubt smelling like bad guacamole (note: check for missing undergarments immediately after) and pair my socks. Afterthought: Sheppard can come too. But he doesn't get palm leaves.

Sunday:
10am-2pm: Sleep.
2pm-late: Use ZPM procured on Monday to power the Sauna and Spa room found on Friday where the lab was supposed to be. What? A man can hope can't he? (Note: bring Wraith stunner in case of fan-girl attack. Better yet, bring two Wraith stunners and a Sheppard to operate them. He can't come in the spa though. That could be all kinds of bad :S).

*waits for the loud, ear-piercing wail of all fangirls not mentioned by name in the schedule*

Now, now, don't shoot the messenger.

Unless you requested a personal slot, how is Rodney to know you wanted personal, quality time with him?

What is he, a genius?? :rolleyes:

SaharaGate

June 17th, 2005, 04:45 AM

Rodney: What? Why doesn't The Brotherhood and Allina get mentioned? Just because I yawned in her face. I was tired! I'm an astrophysicist, not an archeologist!

Alright, alright.

Since you're all carrying on about the things I skipped, here is an updated version.

Feel free to add things...I'm sure there are an infinte no. of arguments for & against. ;)

1. Shep & McKay? In lurve? No way! They're just good buddies. Look, I can prove it:

Exhibit A: Sanctuary....shep gets some het-loving. Obviously, Shep has no compunctions about consorting with (hot) aliens. But clearly he would draw the line at another man. Especially a scientist. Shep must be straight as an arrow.
Exhibit B: Samantha Carter. Need I say more? Ok I will. It was a night she would always remember...no matter how much she tried to forget ;)
Exhibit C: It cannot be so! Shep is destined to be with Teyla!
Exhibit D: It can't be true! Shep is destined to be with Liz!
Exhibit E: It can't be true! Shep is destined to remain available for Alien Bimbo Of The Week!
Exhibit F: It can't be true! Shep is destined to remain available for [insert own name here].
Exhibit G: It can't be true! Rodney is destined for Sam!
Exhibit H: It can't be so! Rodney is destined to be with Heightmeyer!
Exhibit I: It can't be true! Rodney is destined for Beckett! :p
Exhibit J: Are you kidding? There has never been anything remotely romantic about their interaction on the show whatsoever. Oh wait there was that...oh no, never mind. That incident was just the Athosian Moonshine talking (and if anybody finds my towel, PM me please...the galaxy is a big place. Thanks).
Exhibit K: It can't be true! McKay is destined to remain available for [insert own name here]!
Exhibit L: Of COURSE they're not in lurve. Rodney had that thing with Allina in Brotherhood...if he'd been less tired, he clearly would have asserted his confident heterosexuality then and there.

2. Shep and McKay are soooooooo doing it. I mean look at the hair...

Exhibit A: Sanctuary. Rodney was acting very odd in this episode. So odd in fact that there's only one conclusion: he was totally and spectacularly jealous of Chaya who was glowing herself at his man-crush like some kind of intergalactic trollop.
Exhibit B: Samantha Carter. Rodney was so crushed by his dream-woman that he took his misogyny to a whole nother level...:p
Exhibit C: It must be true! Why else wouldn't Shep be all over Teyla/Liz/[insert own name here] by now?
Exhibit D: It must be true! Shep spends almost as much time observing Rodney's hands as his fangirls do. Can we say hand-porn?
Exhibit E: It must be true! Shep's so hawt, nobody could resist him. Even another man! Not even another man who is a genius and has a thing for blondes, not brunettes. Everybody knows that. Snerk.:p
Exhibit F: Major John Sheppard of the United States Airforce: any seemingly available man who is that hawt (even if fictional) and has managed to remain seemingly available for his entire 30+ years and who has no other discernable flaws of character or person that would prevent him from engaging in a successful relationship with a member of the opposite sex, must therefore, as a direct result and in a stunning yet not entirely humourless display of spitefulness on behalf of the universe, be gay.
Exhibit G: Of COURSE they're doing it. Didn't you notice Shep's attitude in Brotherhood? He was *so* jealous. I mean he told Rodney to 'sleep on it'. Aha. :p

Jafana

June 17th, 2005, 05:00 AM

SaharaGate

June 17th, 2005, 05:10 AM

http://tehvand.com/jafana/images/RodneySulk2.jpg
Rodney: It's not easy you know, being this wanted. Despite what you all may think I'm not superman. Not only am I expected to single handedly save Atlantis every week, I'm expected to entertain and make myself available to those, those,.... fangirls!
What's an astrophysicist to do?
http://www.susannkovacs.com/content/files/images/please.jpg

Shep: Oh please! You think *you* have problems. At least your fangirls are respectable. *My* fangirls look at my underwear. And my knife.

And besides. I save Atlantis *at least* as often as you. More even. And I don't even have a physics degree. All I need is a gene...

strivaria

June 17th, 2005, 05:13 AM

What's an astrophysicist to do?

Give in to the fangirls! Duh. ;) :D He's a genius after all, I'm sure he can work out a reasonable schedule, similar to the one Saharagate posted.. but with more time available for those of us who truly appreciate his brilliance. :)

Jafana

June 17th, 2005, 05:43 AM

Sneaks in while all eyes are on Rodney. Spots Shep all alone and snatches him. Sees everyone's still distracted with fighting over Rodney. Runs out. ;)
I don't think so buddy -
Nice try though

But you'll make poor Rodney cry. You wouldn't want to do that now, would you? Poor iddle Wodney...

*snatches Shep back when SGLab lets down guard in sympathy, pulls out Wraith stunner*

Ok, no sudden moves, and no one gets hurt! Shep stays in the thread, and we'll organise a Roster for him as well... based around Rodney's one of course. :cool:

Ashta

June 17th, 2005, 06:41 AM

I don't req. any Shep time, if that makes the equations any easier!
;)

SGLAB

June 17th, 2005, 07:46 AM

I don't think so buddy -
Nice try though

But you'll make poor Rodney cry. You wouldn't want to do that now, would you? Poor iddle Wodney...

*snatches Shep back when SGLab lets down guard in sympathy, pulls out Wraith stunner*

Ok, no sudden moves, and no one gets hurt! Shep stays in the thread, and we'll organise a Roster for him as well... based around Rodney's one of course. :cool:

Dang those Wraith stunners are nasty. Took me awhile to get all my appendiges moving. Heh, good thing I was smart enough to figure out how to make a holographic image of Shep. Better get going before Jafana figures out what I did. Luckily Shep's back where he belongs with Elizabeth. :D

ToasterOnFire

June 17th, 2005, 09:32 AM

Alright, alright.

Since you're all carrying on about the things I skipped, here is an updated version.

Feel free to add things...I'm sure there are an infinte no. of arguments for & against. ;)

1. Shep & McKay? In lurve? No way! They're just good buddies. Look, I can prove it:

Exhibit A: Sanctuary....shep gets some het-loving. Obviously, Shep has no compunctions about consorting with (hot) aliens. But clearly he would draw the line at another man. Especially a scientist. Shep must be straight as an arrow.
Exhibit B: Samantha Carter. Need I say more? Ok I will. It was a night she would always remember...no matter how much she tried to forget ;)
Exhibit C: It cannot be so! Shep is destined to be with Teyla!
Exhibit D: It can't be true! Shep is destined to be with Liz!
Exhibit E: It can't be true! Shep is destined to remain available for Alien Bimbo Of The Week!
Exhibit F: It can't be true! Shep is destined to remain available for [insert own name here].
Exhibit G: It can't be true! Rodney is destined for Sam!
Exhibit H: It can't be so! Rodney is destined to be with Heightmeyer!
Exhibit I: It can't be true! Rodney is destined for Beckett! :p
Exhibit J: Are you kidding? There has never been anything remotely romantic about their interaction on the show whatsoever. Oh wait there was that...oh no, never mind. That incident was just the Athosian Moonshine talking (and if anybody finds my towel, PM me please...the galaxy is a big place. Thanks).
[color=Blue]Exhibit K: It can't be true! McKay is destined to remain available for [insert own name here]!
Exhibit L: Of COURSE they're not in lurve. Rodney had that thing with Allina in Brotherhood...if he'd been less tired, he clearly would have asserted his confident heterosexuality then and there.

MWAHAHA! Too funny!!

BUT! TO COMPLICATE THE LIST FURTHER!!
There are those that think Rodney is destined for...someone else. Surely she should be mentioned as well?? I can't believe she was forgotten.
*has to go lie down for a bit*
It's Friday. Of course I'm overdramatic. :D

And regarding exhibit I...there's a bit of a rumor that Rodney smooches Carson in "Duet"...who knows whether it's true though...:D

VonKnibble

June 17th, 2005, 10:16 AM

Evenin' All.

I was happily lurking away and oogling yummy pic's, 'til this caught my eye and i kinda had to say something, that is - once i've stopped ROTFLMAO!

slight snippage here.. ;)

Exhibit F: Major John Sheppard of the United States Airforce: any seemingly available man who is that hawt (even if fictional) and has managed to remain seemingly available for his entire 30+ years and who has no other discernable flaws of character or person that would prevent him from engaging in a successful relationship with a member of the opposite sex, must therefore, as a direct result and in a stunning yet not entirely humourless display of spitefulness on behalf of the universe, be gay.

HA!

Not that i don't completely agree with you('cos i'm so with ya there honey)..but; Issues, much? :D

VK