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Kas
August 4th, 2005, 11:44 AM
A Cameron friendly thread... for the discussion of Cameron as opposed to the 'thunking'... much as I really enjoy a good *thunk* :D

What do you like about the character? What did you think the first time you saw Cameron? How do you think the integration of Mitchell into the SG Verse has been handled?

Dani347
August 4th, 2005, 11:53 AM
Well, I can't say I know the character too well, which makes sense seeing as it's only been 3 episodes, but I like him so far. It's just a general impression right now. He's friendly, respectful, caring, brave, has a sense of adventure. But, these traits haven't really gotten into what makes Mitchell (it'll take hearing more characters actually call him Cameron before I start thinking of him as that instead of Mitchell) Mitchell as opposed to anyone else who might have those same traits. The most distinctive characterization about him so far is his southern background. I'm interested in seeing more of the little quirks, and yes, the flaws, that are distinct to him.

CKO
August 4th, 2005, 12:01 PM
i think i thunked to hard when i first saw his char. what do i think of him... mmmmmmm i love.. er.. like him so far. i cant wait for more of him.

Kas
August 4th, 2005, 12:25 PM
but I like him so far. It's just a general impression right now. He's friendly, respectful, caring, brave, has a sense of adventure. But, these traits haven't really gotten into what makes Mitchell, Mitchell as opposed to anyone else who might have those same traits.

You're so right... TPTB have done an excellent piece of work in making CM real and likeable. He has those strong character traits but then so do many... he's off to a good start and they are being quite prudent in letting us get to know the character slowly.



The most distinctive characterization about him so far is his southern background. I'm interested in seeing more of the little quirks, and yes, the flaws, that are distinct to him.

Me too. I'm enjoying seeing him slowly unfold and I really enjoyed those references to his Southern upbringing. I've enjoyed what I've seen and am also interested to get to see what really makes him tick... Like Landry, I want to discover his kryptonite as opposed to the A+ on paper.

Cathain Nottingham
August 4th, 2005, 01:14 PM
I really enjoy him thus far. From what we've seen he's been through hardship and I think in the future that will give him a deep depth as to how he handles certain situations.

He's funny and a realistic military man, his reaction to finally being at the SGC was dead on for someone who wanted the position.

In fact I enjoy him so much that I'm developing a series based on his life away from the SGC.

lily
August 4th, 2005, 01:51 PM
I replied to another thread (the one with the poll about liking or not Cameron Mitchell), so I'm not going to say again the same. You can go here (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4406345&postcount=54) and read my comments.

I like the character so much that for the first time I created a Yahoo group dedicated to him, a family friendly list (i.e: suitable for all ages). :D

I'm sooooo looking forward to getting to know him more!

Emily
August 4th, 2005, 02:12 PM
I like him!!!!! And I think Ben Browder plays him very well!

The first time I saw him, I thought he was fun!

I love his "jokes" and when I was watching "Avalon" I had the impression that sometimes it was Jack O'neill who was talking... :rolleyes:

greytop
August 4th, 2005, 02:25 PM
*waves to Kas and CKO*

I do like the character. Most people may at first think he is a Jack clone. That is the same thing they said about Sheppard but Sheppard is nowhere like Jack and the fans now know that. Watching the first three episodes, here's what I thought about Cam.

Avalon, Pt 1--I did see a lot of Jack in him and what Jack would have said in those situations.

Avalon Pt. 2--Found out that Cam took fencing in college. The rest of the epsiode was more on Daniel and Vala, IMO.

Origin--I still seen a lot of Jack but more of Cam in this episode than the other two.

Some times it takes a whole season for a new character to come into his own. IHMO. This maybe what is happening to Cameron, like it did Sheppard on Atlantis.

Kas
August 4th, 2005, 03:41 PM
I really enjoy him thus far. From what we've seen he's been through hardship and I think in the future that will give him a deep depth as to how he handles certain situations. .

I, too, really think that his experiences will have a large effect on how he leads.


He's funny and a realistic military man, his reaction to finally being at the SGC was dead on for someone who wanted the position..

As Landry said to Jack - "You should have seen his face"... I loved the emotion Ben gave CM here... he'd really built himself up to join the team/assignment of his dreams - kept himself going - and it was all being shattered. Also, his reactions as the others at least came to be working 'together' with him...


In fact I enjoy him so much that I'm developing a series based on his life away from the SGC.

Is this the first Cam fiction? I look forward to it.


Some times it takes a whole season for a new character to come into his own. IHMO. This maybe what is happening to Cameron, like it did Sheppard on Atlantis.

Hi Grey *waves back*
Very true... and they are definitely giving him the 'slow burn' as Claudia Black said in an interview. Hopefully, this means there will be much to talk about each week. :)

Kas
August 4th, 2005, 04:03 PM
I replied to another thread (the one with the poll about liking or not Cameron Mitchell), so I'm not going to say again the same. You can go here (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4406345&postcount=54) and read my comments.

I like the character so much that for the first time I created a Yahoo group dedicated to him, a family friendly list (i.e: suitable for all ages). :D

I'm sooooo looking forward to getting to know him more!

Hey Lily, it was really great to read your comments as a newbie to the actor as well as to the character. It's a tribute to the actor that he was able to make you like and feel for his character from the start.


- I love his sense of humor. One of the things that got me hooked on Stargate years ago was Jack's sense of humor, and the show's sense of humor in general. One of the things I love in real life is that: sense of humor. And I find that in Cameron. His is different from Jack's, but lovable anyway.

I actually found his humour different from Jack too. I know many see similarities, but to me - Cam's is not so drily cynical.


- - the background we saw through the flashbacks. Some people hate it. I absolutely LOVED it. We see his sense of sacrifice, honor and camaderie..

And I so agree with you on this. I LOVED the flashbacks as grounding for Cam, sensing the same values as you did... didn't find them too long or unnecessary.


- - he's a team player..

I really like the way he's reacting to Daniel and Teal'c - he's not pushing it but earning their respect just by actions. He's really enjoying actually learning the mythology from Daniel and respects him (and all of SG1) - A real fan boy :)

Cathain Nottingham
August 4th, 2005, 10:08 PM
Is this the first Cam fiction? I look forward to it.


I finished the first chapter which goes with "Avalon I" today - I'm not sure about it though...I figured I'd do a chapter per episode, so there are moments that link directly into the show.

Also in my studies for the chapter I noticed - how long was Cameron out after the crash? Because when Jack shows up to tell him after he's healed he'll get any post he wants? He's already a General! The crash happened over two years ago! So was Cameron in a coma the entire time?

Kas
August 4th, 2005, 11:25 PM
I figured I'd do a chapter per episode, so there are moments that link directly into the show.

That sounds like an idea...especially as his character is so new. It'll be in keeping with character canon that is known so far. I'll go and read this PM after work.


Also in my studies for the chapter I noticed - how long was Cameron out after the crash? Because when Jack shows up to tell him after he's healed he'll get any post he wants? He's already a General! The crash happened over two years ago! So was Cameron in a coma the entire time?

Very good point. I believe he was definitely in and out of subconciousness for a while and then in a *painkiller* haze for some time - I don't think he was comatose though or else they probably wouldn't have had Sam and Entourage 'officially' turn up to advise/award the CMOH (IMO - it was to advise as I would have though any award presentation would be given when he was up and well).

Given the extent of his injuries - internal damage - damage that led to him most likely never walking again etc, it would have taken a great deal of time to first heal and then reach 100% fitness.

Kas
August 5th, 2005, 09:38 PM
I haven't been able to see this episode yet... Any other aspects of Cam's character revealed? Relationships to cast members etc?

greytop
August 7th, 2005, 01:27 AM
I don't think that Daniel and Teal'c have complete accept him as of yet, especially Teal'c. In The Ties that Bind, Teal'c said to Cameron that he reminded him of O'Neill and Cam took that as a complinment from Teal'c. I think Teal'c will accepts him in the episode, Babylon, where Cameron fights the Kel Shak Lo, because he had spilled Solan blood.

Kas
August 7th, 2005, 03:33 AM
I don't think that Daniel and Teal'c have complete accept him as of yet, especially Teal'c. In The Ties that Bind, Teal'c said to Cameron that he reminded him of O'Neill and Cam took that as a complinment from Teal'c. I think Teal'c will accepts him in the episode, Babylon, where Cameron fights the Kel Shak Lo, because he had spilled Solan blood.

I think you are spot on here. Mitchell has to prove himself with a warrior like Teal'c for whom actions speak louder than words. I had hoped that after events of Origin that Teal'c was starting to really respect Mitchell and likes his 'never say die' attitude... Hmmm, maybe that comparison comment was meant that way although, why did Teal'c come back with that look and 'As you wish' comment? Did he find some actions of Jack less than admirable?


I really loved all the Mitchell and Danny scenes together this week...These two are already working well together and 'in tune'... just wish that Danny would make his participation 'official' but obviously TPTB are waiting for AT's return.

I really enjoy Ben & Michael's play off each other and like the two men have stated, join them in wanting to see their characters let loose on each other... see where it takes them. :)

Alaskhah
August 7th, 2005, 04:30 AM
I think you are spot on here. Mitchell has to prove himself with a warrior like Teal'c for whom actions speak louder than words. I had hoped that after events of Origin that Teal'c was starting to really respect Mitchell and likes his 'never say die' attitude... Hmmm, maybe that comparison comment was meant that way although, why did Teal'c come back with that look and 'As you wish' comment? Did he find some actions of Jack less than admirable?

Yeah, I noticed that, too. My thought is that while Teal'c definitely respects O'Neill, there are still some aspects of him (for example, the brash, in your face sense of humor and the heart first into everything, sometimes at the risk of forgetting to think) that Teal'c just doesn't quite "get" sometimes. I also think that, while he still has a way to go, he's developing a sense of humor of his own, that is still *VERY* subtle. PLUS, Teal'c's mind is still very much still with the newly formed Jaffa nation, which is having some serious growing pains. In other words, yeah, I think that the respect is coming. It was just a bit much for him to "switch allegiances" (as far as CO's) so fast, particularly considering all that has happened lately.

Sorry if this didn't make sense... I'm almost asleep! :P

Kas
August 7th, 2005, 06:38 AM
Yeah, I noticed that, too. My thought is that while Teal'c definitely respects O'Neill, there are still some aspects of him (for example, the brash, in your face sense of humor and the heart first into everything, sometimes at the risk of forgetting to think) that Teal'c just doesn't quite "get" sometimes. I also think that, while he still has a way to go, he's developing a sense of humor of his own, that is still *VERY* subtle. PLUS, Teal'c's mind is still very much still with the newly formed Jaffa nation, which is having some serious growing pains. In other words, yeah, I think that the respect is coming. It was just a bit much for him to "switch allegiances" (as far as CO's) so fast, particularly considering all that has happened lately.

Sorry if this didn't make sense... I'm almost asleep! :P

Makes perfect sense. It's so true that the human humour is completely alien to Teal'c way of thinking and it's taken him the best part of 8 years to understand it :D ... along with the react to the situation blind occurance that occurs. Just as he's become used to one human like that, another has come along. Good call Alaskah.

BritAngie
August 7th, 2005, 09:17 AM
I'm really happy with the way they have eased in Mitchell over the eps. Casting our minds back to before Season 9 aired alot of folks were worried that it would be the Mitchell show and that we'd have our faces rubbed in him to the extent it would mean the others were pushed out. Instead they have worked him in gently and left most the drama and scene stealing to Vala in the main. It's a great way of him getting under everyones skin. Also he's still finding his feet and rhythm (both Ben, the writers and Mitchell himself!) but considering we are only 4 eps in I think once the Vala arc is over and SG1 reform er formally ( :D ) we may see more meat on Mitchell's character bones. I'm looking forward to see Ben flex those acting muscles the way we know he can and look forward to seeing how the writers get to play with him once the team are back.. :)

greytop
August 7th, 2005, 10:07 AM
Another part of his personality came out in TTTB episode. Cameron asked Daniel who a certain person/god was. He replied "Thank You" when Daniel answered him. It took me a coouple time of watching the show to noticed that.

Neelan_Liquor
August 7th, 2005, 07:03 PM
Yeah, that's one of the things I like most about Cam. He's so genuinely interested in the mythology and pretty much everything Daniel can tell him... and he appreciates getting the info. :D It's pretty unique, especially from a SG team leader, especially after Jack. ;)

Kas
August 7th, 2005, 11:27 PM
Absolutely one of my fav. pieces of info about his character... He is genuinely interested, continuously wanting to learn and really appreciates receiving the knowledge. This alone completely distinguishes his character in my eyes.

Didn't Mitchell say to the Prior in Origin that he is really into History?

greytop
August 8th, 2005, 12:42 AM
Didn't Mitchell say to the Prior in Origin that he is really into History?He did and it didn't help him with the lotto numbers either. :)

Kas
August 8th, 2005, 01:02 AM
He did and it didn't help him with the lotto numbers either. :)

Ahhh, that's right... thanks Greytop. How could I have forgotten the lotto numbers? LOL!

greytop
August 8th, 2005, 01:13 AM
The exact quote is MITCHELL: I'm a bit of a history buff myself. Doesn't help me pick the lotto numbers, though. So. Where you from?

Alaskhah
August 8th, 2005, 01:53 AM
Absolutely one of my fav. pieces of info about his character... He is genuinely interested, continuously wanting to learn and really appreciates receiving the knowledge. This alone completely distinguishes his character in my eyes.
And not only his interest, but his enthusiasm. This is another thing that I think sets him apart from Jack from what we've seen so far. Jack is pretty cynical, and has a pretty narrow view. Mitchell is still wide-eyed and actually excited about working with the scientists. Instead of shutting Daniel down in his rambling narratives (which appears now to be Landry's job) he appears to be encouraging them. I'm interested to see if/how the dynamic will change once Sam gets back.

Kas
August 8th, 2005, 02:55 AM
I'm interested to see if/how the dynamic will change once Sam gets back.

I honestly don't think it will do...What's the betting that Mitchell is just as interested in Science & Technology as Mythology & History? He seems a very well-educated man...probably in background as well as continuing self-education through 'on the job' learning. :)

The writers have done incredibly well in establishing Cameron's own character IMHO, especially as we are all appreciating and recognising traits which Mallozzi wrote about before S9 even started airing:


"Mitchell is a military guy's military guy, whereas Jack was a loose cannon of sorts. O'Neill was sarcastic and animated -- Cameron more low-key and offhand in his humor. Whereas O'Neill was occasionally abrasive and in-your-face, Mitchell prefers to let his Southern charm work its magic. Unlike O'Neill, who was often guarded, Mitchell has no compunctions about opening up. Jack was always a tough person to read, a tough nut to crack. And whereas O'Neill was sometimes, well, shall we say 'out of the loop' at times when it came to the more technical side of things, often happily so, Mitchell does his damndest to inform himself and stay informed."
(Executive producer Joseph Mallozzi, in a message at GateWorld Forum)

Kas
August 8th, 2005, 06:31 AM
Saw this question posted on the JMallozzi thread:


Is there any reason that Mitchell calls Daniel "Jackson"? It doesn't seem to be a military thing, since he called Sam, who actually is in the military by her first name, instead of Carter. And, when they met in Daniel's lab, Daniel introduced himself as Daniel.

which reminded me of posts I've seen around the boards. Some fans (not all by any means) are not liking the fact that Mitchell calls Daniel by his surname, thinking it's rude and disrespectful. I can't see the problem at all as we have seen that Mitchell is by the book military man and this is the norm amongst military personnel, at least whilst on duty. It seems to fit his character. When CM introduced himself, he called himself Cameron whilst Daniel repeated his first name. However, he said 'my friends call me Cameron' and Daniel has not made any response to calling Mitchell anything yet or real overtures of friendship. I believe that Mitchell is giving Daniel his own time to accept him as a friend and once Daniel makes that move he will respond to it. A case of not forcing the issue. Of course, under duty conditions, he may still refer to him as Jackson. As for Sam, they are both Lt Cols in the Airforce... they know each other - perhaps been socialising at the Officers' Mess - being of the sam rank, it is acceptable to call each other on a first name basis. Once again though, being strictly military - that may change on the field.

What do you all think? IMO, it's neither rude or disrespectful, in keeping with character and also a tad more less formal than Dr. Jackson.

lily
August 8th, 2005, 07:32 AM
Saw this question posted on the JMallozzi thread:



which reminded me of posts I've seen around the boards. Some fans (not all by any means) are not liking the fact that Mitchell calls Daniel by his surname, thinking it's rude and disrespectful. I can't see the problem at all as we have seen that Mitchell is by the book military man and this is the norm amongst military personnel, at least whilst on duty. It seems to fit his character. When CM introduced himself, he called himself Cameron whilst Daniel repeated his first name. However, he said 'my friends call me Cameron' and Daniel has not made any response to calling Mitchell anything yet or real overtures of friendship. I believe that Mitchell is giving Daniel his own time to accept him as a friend and once Daniel makes that move he will respond to it. A case of not forcing the issue. Of course, under duty conditions, he may still refer to him as Jackson. As for Sam, they are both Lt Cols in the Airforce... they know each other - perhaps been socialising at the Officers' Mess - being of the sam rank, it is acceptable to call each other on a first name basis. Once again though, being strictly military - that may change on the field.

What do you all think? IMO, it's neither rude or disrespectful, in keeping with character and also a tad more less formal than Dr. Jackson.

I completely agree with you.
Besides, I think it's another way of establishing a difference in the dynamics. Had Cameron started calling him Daniel, at least 50% of the fandom would be crying "Jack clone!" :D

Kas
August 8th, 2005, 12:53 PM
Besides, I think it's another way of establishing a difference in the dynamics. Had Cameron started calling him Daniel, at least 50% of the fandom would be crying "Jack clone!" :D

LOL! You are probably right.

Mind you the Jack O'Neill character of SG-1 had the benefit of already having the character dynamic in place. The characters were already familiar with each other from the movie and established a tentative friendship at the end of the film. From what I remember, throughout the majority of the movie, the O'Neil character also referred to Daniel as Jackson in the same military manner as Mitchell.

the fifth man
August 8th, 2005, 01:45 PM
Yeah, that's right. That is how O'Neill referred to him. Can't wait to see how Mitchell fits in once sg-1 is back together. Hope to learn a lot more about him this season.

Neelan_Liquor
August 8th, 2005, 08:22 PM
From what I remember, throughout the majority of the movie, the O'Neil character also referred to Daniel as Jackson in the same military manner as Mitchell.
You are absolutely right about that. I'd completely forgotten it, but as soon as I read that, I could totally hear Kurt Russell saying "Jackson". Good call.

It is a military thing, (as well as a P.E. teacher thing ;)) to call people you don't know well or only have a working relationship with by their last names. It's not at all disrespectful, and I think if they were in a more formal situation, say in D.C. with senators and such, Cam would probably call him Dr. Jackson... 'cause it's appropriate. That's just the way he is.

I found it kind of jarring to hear him call Daniel by his last name, but I'm getting used to it quickly, and never had a "problem" with it. It was just unexpected at first. ;)

And I think he calls Sam Sam because she probably told him to call her that... she usually tells EVERYONE to call her that... when she visited him in his hospital room. They may have socialized a bit since then, but I doubt it was more than once or twice, or he woulda known that she was being transfered out of the SGC. Don't want to ramble on about the possible extent of their "relationship" at this point, so I'll just leave it at that. ;)

greytop
August 9th, 2005, 12:19 AM
I believe that Cameron has know Sam longer than any of the others on the team. They both look around the same age and they could have gone to the Academy together.

Kas
August 9th, 2005, 01:52 AM
Yes, absolutely both scenarios are possible...but at least we know that Cameron and Sam are aquaintainces to an extent that they can use first names. What they call each other in the field, we don't yet know as we only saw a friendly phone call.

And I agree, I would expect that Mitchell would probably use Daniel's full professional title in a more formal setting which is why I'm pleased that he's not using it now.

PS:

OT: Whoo hoo, for those ratings!

Kas
August 9th, 2005, 10:29 AM
How about our new Lt Col's sense of fun?... Did you see the reaction Mitchell gave to Vala's 'Miss Me' to Daniel? Daniel turned to stare, Lam did not look very amused and Mitchell just cracked up - and that's after he keeps teasing Daniel by calling Vala his 'girlfriend'. I reckon our Mitch is really pleased that these two are still tied by the bracelets... it gives him more time to work on Daniel rejoining his team!

Thoughts?

ChillinTheMost
August 9th, 2005, 11:08 AM
How have I missed this thread until now???

Mitchell is my favorite character, but then, I knew that before he hit my screen as Mitchell. I used to watch Stargate, enjoyed it, but for some reason, lost touch. When I heard that Ben Browder was joining the cast, I jumped back in, all the way into the deep end. I've been catching up on episodes [and rewatching the ones I saw many years ago], and I've been anxiously awaiting Season 9. I have to say, that I am not disappointed.

So far, they have made Cameron Mitchell everything I could have hoped for. A little more screen time would be nice, but I can understand that they don't want to shove the new guy into the face of faithful fans that are more tentative in their enthusiasm for the changes. [Nothing wrong with that, big changes to a beloved series can involve an adjustment period.]

As to the man that is Mitchell: First and foremost, he has my favorite character trait: a good sense of humor. He also seems noble, strong, caring, honorable, all those good things.

As to the leader that is Mitchell: I like the way he leads this group [not that they are a "team" yet, but...] The individuals are self-motivated and don't need a leader that orders, but one that can put together their individual talents and come up with the big picture for the solution. He also may need to rein them in when they tend to stray. He's already told Daniel to focus, and he said it firmly, but not condescendingly. He has great respect for the members of what he hopes will be his team. They have been doing this for 8 years and they are experts in their fields. He knows and respects this and is willing to learn from them.

Mitchell is different from O'Neill in the ways he reacts to each of the team. So far, I've noticed the biggest difference in how he treats Daniel. O'Neill saw Daniel as somewhat of an innocent; someone to be protected, maybe someone who sometimes needed his enthusiasm reined in. Not that there was anything wrong with this, and it was necessary in the beginning, but I'm not sure O'Neill has noticed how Daniel has changed over the years. He might never become the soldier that O'Neill or Teal'c are, but he can take care of himself. And Mitchell expects Daniel to take care of himself. He sees the "grown up" Daniel. Mitchell also takes an interest in Daniel's specialty. He asks questions and wants to learn. This will help him be a good leader.

I also think this means that Mitchell will pay more attention to Sam's technobabble and try to understand it. We haven't seen much interaction between them, but it was Sam that cut off her own technobabble, not Mitchell, when they were talking.

We know that Teal'c and O'Neill had a great friendship. I don't know if Mitchell and Teal'c will have that, but I think they will have respect. They'll probably be friends, but Teal'c and O'Neill had something special, somewhat due to how O'Neill changed Teal'c life.

[Comparisons to O'Neill are in no way meant to be negatives; but just to point out that they are different.]

Mitchell has a great enthusiasm and respect for the SGC and SG-1. But he also has a lot to offer them. I look forward to watching his character develop.

---Now, see, if y'all had pointed me to this thread a few weeks ago, I could have broken that up into a few posts and not bored those of you that dredged through it!

ChillinTheMost
August 9th, 2005, 11:13 AM
How about our new Lt Col's sense of fun?... Did you see the reaction Mitchell gave to Vala's 'Miss Me' to Daniel? Daniel turned to stare, Lam did not look very amused and Mitchell just cracked up - and that's after he keeps teasing Daniel by calling Vala his 'girlfriend'. I reckon our Mitch is really pleased that these two are still tied by the bracelets... it gives him more time to work on Daniel rejoining his team!

Thoughts?
I think that now that Daniel's missed the boat, so to speak. there isn't much problem with him rejoining SG-1. This is giving him a chance to check out the new "boss", however, so it could be helpful.

But, yes, as I mentioned in my verbose post above, I love a man with a sense of humor. And leather pants, but that's for another post. I loved when he stopped Vala's past love interest [whatever his name was] with "Thanks, we get the picture. A very vivid, very disturbing, picture." Hee.

I love Ben Browder's comedic delivery.

ChillinTheMost
August 9th, 2005, 11:25 AM
Oh, yeah, I also wanted to talk about Mitchell calling Daniel, "Jackson". I think it is perfectly normal for him to be doing that. It all goes back to what I said earlier about Mitchell seeing Daniel as someone who can take care of himself. I think O'Neill almost saw Daniel like a son, someone to be protected, someone to be prodded in the right direction. And he called him Daniel. Partly because he saw him as a friend, and partly because he saw him as someone to be coddled.

Mitchell isn't his friend yet and he sees him as an equal in regards to self-reliance. Mitchell and Sam must have been good friends previously and not just worked together somehow, because he calls her Sam, but Daniel, he sees as one of the guys, one of the members of a military team, so he calls him Jackson.

I don't know if I'm wording this right. Some times when I say it, it sounds like I'm saying O'Neill looked down on Daniel, while Mitchell sees him as an equal and that's not what I'm trying to say, but it sort of is - if you take the O'Neill part as "fatherly". Or maybe "big brother" is better. Yeah, I like that better.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

Although.... did someone mention a Mitchell fanfic???

Kas
August 9th, 2005, 11:34 AM
Loved all your post... glad to see that you've found the thread... it's only been going a few days really. Thought that Mitchell deserved one now that we're seeing his character beginning to be fleshed out. Although to be honest, it's amazing how much we know in such a short space of time, thanks to Ben's body language and fabulous delivery.

I loved this part of your analysis as I realised just how spot-on it is:



O'Neill saw Daniel as somewhat of an innocent; someone to be protected, maybe someone who sometimes needed his enthusiasm reined in. Not that there was anything wrong with this, and it was necessary in the beginning, but I'm not sure O'Neill has noticed how Daniel has changed over the years. He might never become the soldier that O'Neill or Teal'c are, but he can take care of himself. And Mitchell expects Daniel to take care of himself. He sees the "grown up" Daniel. Mitchell also takes an interest in Daniel's specialty. He asks questions and wants to learn. This will help him be a good leader.


Mitchell is coming in knowing of all Daniel's successes and regards him as an equal on the field as well as enjoying his expertise in his specialist areas. Mitch is a definite 'fan boy'. Jack, as you pointed out, is still viewing him as he really first knew him... an innocent, someone who needs constant protection. Great post Chillin' .

Kas
August 9th, 2005, 11:40 AM
And leather pants, but that's for another post. I loved when he stopped Vala's past love interest [whatever his name was] with "Thanks, we get the picture. A very vivid, very disturbing, picture." Hee.

I love Ben Browder's comedic delivery.

Don't forget to join us in the Ben THUNK thread... leather pants for viewing galore there. :D

Oh, that scene... I just about died. Everyone was so good...LOL! at Wallace Shawn and as for the looks on Mitchell and Daniel's faces! Ben's body acting and language in stopping the guy from continuing was just wonderful delivery.

ChillinTheMost
August 9th, 2005, 01:28 PM
So, I thought I'd use this thread, if I may, to kind of catalog what we learn about Mitchell. Unfortunately, the only transcript I found was for Origins and he wasn't in it that much, so... not much to learn, but easy to catalog! I hope to do this with all episodes, depending on transcripts found, time I can devote to it, and if there is any interest. Any help is appreciated. Sometimes this may be my interpretation to what happened, so discussion and debating is encouraged.

903 - Origins

Tangibles

A bit of a history buff

Spent long Sundays at his grandma’s church: St. Hilda's Church of the Grand Epiphany

Intangibles

Mitchell’s character: devotion to his team – in his spare time he watches over Daniel and Vala in the infirmary

Leadership: Take charge kind of guy, part I. When the prior was in the briefing room and when Landry and Mitchell return, Mitchell draws his gun and takes over. I don’t think Landry had time to lay out what needed to be done [taking the prior’s staff, etc], Mitchell just acted.
Take charge kind of guy, part II. When Teal’c and Mitchell get rid of the communication device.

Mitchell has the confidence of his superior officer:
HARRIMAN: Chevron three, encoded!
LANDRY: Walter ...
HARRIMAN: Orders from Colonel Mitchell, sir.
LANDRY: Proceed.

And...

When this plan works, Mitchell gains some respect from Teal’c.

I think the scene with O'Neill and Mitchell showed that he has a lot of exuberance and that he is a little unsure of how well he'll do as leader of SG-1, or, at least, unsure that others have confidence in him. Hence, the appreciation when O'Neill told him that Landry said he'd do fine.

Quotes:
"Oh, I get ya. 'Wherever you go, there you are.' ...I think that's Buckaroo Banzai."


Wow, there really wasn't much in this episode. :(

ChillinTheMost
August 9th, 2005, 01:32 PM
Don't forget to join us in the Ben THUNK thread... leather pants for viewing galore there. :D

Thanks for the invitation. I've visited a few times, and will go back again, but prefer this type of thread where we can talk about the character. Not that I don't enjoy a juicy picture now and then...

Kas
August 9th, 2005, 02:39 PM
So, I thought I'd use this thread, if I may, to kind of catalog what we learn about Mitchell. Unfortunately, the only transcript I found was for Origins and he wasn't in it that much, so... not much to learn, but easy to catalog! I hope to do this with all episodes, depending on transcripts found, time I can devote to it, and if there is any interest. Any help is appreciated. Sometimes this may be my interpretation to what happened, so discussion and debating is encouraged.


Wow, there really wasn't much in this episode. :(

Great idea... I really think you have it ALL for this episode though...:( I've been trying to think of anything extra and all I can come up with is is the obvious signs of his quick intelligence from things he's learnt and not really experienced.. in this case, when Teal'c suggested sending the object through the stargate but Lee saying they could still be linked, Mitchell came up with the idea of using the 'whoosh' to destroy the object without any explosion... must have been in those files!

ChillinTheMost
August 9th, 2005, 02:53 PM
Yeah, Mitchell was about 10 steps ahead of me on that one! I didn't even catch it until the second time watching. I was thinking it was Teal'c's plan and maybe they'll still be linked and what if... When I watched it again, I saw/heard that Dr Lee had already said they might still be linked and Mitchell had already revised the plan! Smart man, that. :D

Hurley
August 9th, 2005, 03:51 PM
So, I thought I'd use this thread, if I may, to kind of catalog what we learn about Mitchell. Unfortunately, the only transcript I found was for Origins and he wasn't in it that much, so... not much to learn, but easy to catalog! I hope to do this with all episodes, depending on transcripts found, time I can devote to it, and if there is any interest. Any help is appreciated. Sometimes this may be my interpretation to what happened, so discussion and debating is encouraged.:(

You can find the transcripts on : scifigate.net

Kas
August 9th, 2005, 11:13 PM
You can find the transcripts on : scifigate.net

Thanks Hurley... that's really good to know.

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Going back to the Mitchell calling Daniel Jackson issue for the moment, the more I think about it, I forgot to mention the trigger.

Mitchell went into see Daniel introducing himself on a more casual first-name basis as did Daniel. It wasn't until Daniel said, "I know we owe you one..." that Mitchell had a flashback and changed his demeanor. "Listen Jackson, I don't want you to stay because you think you owe me one." Mitchell's tone snapped into officer mode at this point. Then he says, "Unless of course, you're considering it." Giving a slightly lighter tone but a way out none-the-less.

This was a really fantastic scene acted by the two men... Watch Daniel's indecision - written all over his face - as he reflects on the debt. It was Mitchell's intent to extend a little distance between them, to give Daniel the choice. He wants a team that wishes to work with him and not from any sense of obligation. Ben's switch in tone and manner here were fantastic. From this, I feel that Mitchell's definitely waiting for Daniel to offer to take it to a more informal level again when he's ready and of his own free will. (Fits right in with this season's theme! :D ).

BritAngie
August 10th, 2005, 12:20 AM
Thanks Hurley... that's really good to know.

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Going back to the Mitchell calling Daniel Jackson issue for the moment, the more I think about it, I forgot to mention the trigger.

Mitchell went into see Daniel introducing himself on a more casual first-name basis as did Daniel. It wasn't until Daniel said, "I know we owe you one..." that Mitchell had a flashback and changed his demeanor. "Listen Jackson, I don't want you to stay because you think you owe me one." Mitchell's tone snapped into officer mode at this point. Then he says, "Unless of course, you're considering it." Giving a slightly lighter tone but a way out none-the-less.

This was a really fantastic scene acted by the two men... Watch Daniel's indecision - written all over his face - as he reflects on the debt. It was Mitchell's intent to extend a little distance between them, to give Daniel the choice. He wants a team that wishes to work with him and not from any sense of obligation. Ben's switch in tone and manner here were fantastic. From this, I feel that Mitchell's definitely waiting for Daniel to offer to take it to a more informal level again when he's ready and of his own free will. (Fits right in with this season's theme! :D ).


Wow good catch!Will have to go back and rewatch but that's very subtle but also very logical!

greytop
August 10th, 2005, 12:28 AM
A thought.......

Jack always said, "Sweet."
Teal'c always says, "Indeed."
Cameron will always say, "Wicked."

What do you think?

Kas
August 10th, 2005, 12:45 AM
Wow good catch!Will have to go back and rewatch but that's very subtle but also very logical!

Thanks Angie, it was subtle and beautifully acted. Let me know your impression when you've rewatched it.

Greytop: I agree, that seems to be Cameron's catch phrase - also, a generational thing...giving him the more appropriate slang for his age?
Along with the "THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!" :D

greytop
August 10th, 2005, 01:23 AM
Along with the "THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!" :DI thought Jack also said that.

Kas
August 10th, 2005, 02:00 AM
I thought Jack also said that.

I've heard that said by people, but for the life of me, I can't recall him using that phrase or emphasis. Jack would more likely say "see!" etc... I would like examples of where Jack actually used this phrase because I really don't remember him having done so.

Of course it's been a while since I've seen some seasons. :)

ShardsofGlass
August 10th, 2005, 04:18 AM
I have a question. Is anyone else bothered by the way Mitchell has had hardly anything to do since the first episode? And that this Friday's ep is another Vala ep, which probably means he won't have anything to do yet again? I'm starting to wonder why they hired this guy if they're not going to put him to work. Why is his name first in the credits? Doesn't that signify the person with the biggest role? So far, his role has not been very big. I'm confused and not a happy camper. Anyone else?

Kas
August 10th, 2005, 04:35 AM
I have a question. Is anyone else bothered by the way Mitchell has had hardly anything to do since the first episode? And that this Friday's ep is another Vala ep, which probably means he won't have anything to do yet again? I'm starting to wonder why they hired this guy if they're not going to put him to work. Why is his name first in the credits? Doesn't that signify the person with the biggest role? So far, his role has not been very big. I'm confused and not a happy camper. Anyone else?

I just think that they are being diplomatic and introducing the character into the show carefully. This is a long established show with many differing fanbases... taking over the lead was a very big step. They are wanting us to grow into the character as they do (they'd already had their fingers burned when they tried to incorporate Jonas) ... I have personally loved the way we have got to know more about Cameron Mitchell each episode. Yes, we have reached the stage now where we want to know more...want to see him have more airtime to develop the character...and we will. The team will be reformed soon and from spoilers, some big episodes are coming up for Ben as CM soon. I wouldn't have said that he's had nothing to do exactly... he was around quite a bit in TTTB... We will see him come into his own once he's successfully 'Got the Band back together'.

I think this was the correct way to introduce his character. The poll on this site bears that out... he's been successfully incorporated into the show and this is the important thing with such a long-running show with massive fanbases. He's liked and accepted. We'll definitely see more of him over this season, never fear! :)

ChillinTheMost
August 10th, 2005, 04:53 AM
You can find the transcripts on : scifigate.net

Thanks, Hurley! I'll be checking it out today!

BTW, tell your friends to stay out of the metal alien thingy!

[and if your forum name isn't from Lost, boy, do I look stupid! :o ]

ChillinTheMost
August 10th, 2005, 05:00 AM
Going back to the Mitchell calling Daniel Jackson issue for the moment, the more I think about it, I forgot to mention the trigger.

Mitchell went into see Daniel introducing himself on a more casual first-name basis as did Daniel. It wasn't until Daniel said, "I know we owe you one..." that Mitchell had a flashback and changed his demeanor. "Listen Jackson, I don't want you to stay because you think you owe me one." Mitchell's tone snapped into officer mode at this point. Then he says, "Unless of course, you're considering it." Giving a slightly lighter tone but a way out none-the-less.

This was a really fantastic scene acted by the two men... Watch Daniel's indecision - written all over his face - as he reflects on the debt. It was Mitchell's intent to extend a little distance between them, to give Daniel the choice. He wants a team that wishes to work with him and not from any sense of obligation. Ben's switch in tone and manner here were fantastic. From this, I feel that Mitchell's definitely waiting for Daniel to offer to take it to a more informal level again when he's ready and of his own free will. (Fits right in with this season's theme! :D ).
Excellent catch! And to take it a step further... I bet Mitchell had a lot of sympathy when he was injured and I don't see him as a man that wallows in self-pity. When he saw that Daniel might give in because he thought he owed Mitchell, well, Mitchell didn't want the pity vote. So, besides wanting to give Daniel free will, he didn't want to play the sympathy card.

However, he wanted this team together so bad, that he did give it a fleeting thought when he said, "Unless..."

ChillinTheMost
August 10th, 2005, 05:02 AM
A thought.......

Jack always said, "Sweet."
Teal'c always says, "Indeed."
Cameron will always say, "Wicked."

What do you think?

I think it's wicked! I hope you're right!!!
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But he can let go with the "THAT'S what I'm talking about" any time now. I realize it shows his enthusiasm, but it could get annoying. I think it's okay unitl he gets the team together, but once they are together, that WILL be what he's talking about and he can move on. Hopefully.

Kas
August 10th, 2005, 05:44 AM
I don't see him as a man that wallows in self-pity. When he saw that Daniel might give in because he thought he owed Mitchell, well, Mitchell didn't want the pity vote. So, besides wanting to give Daniel free will, he didn't want to play the sympathy card.


Absolutely agree. I doubt that Mitchell would have been up, fit and walking let alone ready to lead an elite team, if he had the self-pitying type of personality. Reminds me of reading the Real Life Air-Force Ace, Douglas Bader's, biography... overcoming the loss of his legs, fighting to survive, learning to walk again and then being accepted back into the RAF, let alone keep escaping POW camps!

Mitchell has this same type of character and you're spot-on, he doesn't want anyone joining him purely from sympathy.

Wow, I think it's amazing the amount of character depth they've managed thus far... really looking forward to seeing Mitchell rounded out and where they take him... We still don't know his kryptonite! ;)

ChillinTheMost
August 10th, 2005, 07:21 AM
Chronicling Mitchell:

901 – Avalon, Pt I

Tangibles:

Background – Lt. Colonel Cameron Mitchell.
...In dog fight over Antarctica, he helped take out Anubis’ fleet.
...Impeccable service record; outstanding leadership skills
...Wanted to join SG-1, under direction of Lt. Col Carter; wanted to work with the best and learn from them [of all possible posts open to him, he chose SG-1]
...Was ordered to create new SG-1 under his own leadership

Receives the Medal of Honor: Carter: The Congressional Medal Of Honor is the highest award for valor in action against an enemy force that can be bestowed upon an individual serving in the armed services of the United States Of America. On behalf of the President...

Family Background: Has an Uncle Marvin – unless he was just saying that for effect


Intangibles:

Has respect and awe for SGC and SG-1: the way he touches the Stargate when he first sees it; his orders to protect SG-1 at all costs during battle

A little self-doubt at being suddenly put in charge of a team that doesn’t have the best players on it: from his conversation with Sam: “What if the world needs saving ‘cos I screwed up ‘cos you weren't here in the first place?”

Some type of earlier relationship with Sam Carter.

Some people see a physical likeness between Mitchell and Daniel Jackson: Vala: “…I know nothing about your fair planet, other than it seems to have a rather interesting, if somewhat limited, gene pool.”

Is enthusiastic when working with Jackson and Teal’c.

Leadership skills: Keeping the team focused: Aboard Prometheus: “Alright! Excuse me kids.”
In the caves: “Don't make me separate you two.” [Of course, these could also be frustration at the bickering of Vala and Daniel.]

Wry sense of humor: To Teal’c, who doesn’t respond to Mitchell’s joke: “Maybe it's just me, but I'm digging this rapport we've got going between the two of us.”

What the others think of him: After the “Bullets bounce!” Teal’c smiles. Hazing the newbie or approval of his reaction? Or merely laughing at the reaction? When the roof starts lowering, Teal’c asks, “Are you still having fun, Colonel Mitchell?” I think Teal’c is amused by Mitchell’s enthusiasm. It’s been a while since this team has felt that, I think.


Quotes: sometimes, it's just the delivery...

“Actually, it's still kinda SG-Me”

"Wow! Politics really does suck everywhere you go."

"Oh Walter. Doesn't look like we're getting the band back together."

Dave: "People call me Dave." Mitchell: "It say's here, that's your name."

“Whoa! Whoa! Whoa, man!! Bullets bounce!” [the delivery and hand motions of bullets ricocheting made this quote funny.]

Hurley
August 10th, 2005, 07:33 AM
Thanks, Hurley! I'll be checking it out today!

BTW, tell your friends to stay out of the metal alien thingy!

[and if your forum name isn't from Lost, boy, do I look stupid! :o ]
You don't look stupid! :) I will transmit the message ( and it's a wise advice) :D
I'm not able to make a long speech about Mitchell because of my pathetic english (it's not my first language) but I do appreciate to read all your posts.
Considering the lack of sreen time and the fact that TPTB doesn't seem to know yet who is exactly Mtichell, I think B.Browder do a really fine job.
Perhaps, I will be able to say more later (if I find a good dictionary.) ;)

greytop
August 10th, 2005, 07:42 AM
Family Background: Has an Uncle Marvin – unless he was just saying that for effectThere was an older lady in his flashbacks in the hospital that I believe may have been his mother. And I do believe that he has an Uncle Marvin because of that.

ChillinTheMost
August 10th, 2005, 08:44 AM
You don't look stupid! :) I will transmit the message ( and it's a wise advice) :D
I'm not able to make a long speech about Mitchell because of my pathetic english (it's not my first language) but I do appreciate to read all your posts.
Considering the lack of sreen time and the fact that TPTB doesn't seem to know yet who is exactly Mtichell, I think B.Browder do a really fine job.
Perhaps, I can say more later (if I find a good dictionary.) ;)

You're doing fine, Hurley! Speak out about anything, we'll figure it out. Heck, I've had a harder time trying to figure out the posts of some people that I assume English is their first language! :D


Yikes, Greytop, I forgot to mention his Mom!!! Thanks for adding that. I wonder if we can assume that since his dad wasn't there that he has died? [I know there could be tons of other reasons, too.]

As for his uncle, I don't doubt that he probably has uncles, but I'm not sure if he threw in that comment to make his point. I can see making it up, but he probably didn't. I think there is a slight possiblility that it's like his comment that he flunked fencing, which I seriously doubt happened.

ChillinTheMost
August 10th, 2005, 09:01 AM
Chronicling Mitchell:

902 – Avalon, Pt II

Tangibles:

Took a little fencing in college. Later says he flunked fencing, but I think he was joking since he was doing so poorly.

Saw the movie, Patton.


Intangibles:

The sword fight tells us a few things about Mitchell: He is willing to accept help and not be the hero: he tosses his sword to Teal’c to take over. When needed, he finds the inner reserves to overcome insurmountable odds*

[B]Leadership skills: Mitchell takes an interest in what his team’s specialties are. A different approach from O’Neill’s “Just give me the bottom line”; Mitchell wants to understand why his team will make the recommendations they do: “Room full of golden jewels and Dr Daniel Jackson finds the one book. So what's it about?” After his little joke about Daniel, Mitchell wants the details – and he sits down and listens to the answer.
Keeping the team focused on the goal: To Vala and Daniel [again! They’re like the naughty kids in class!] “Focus! Maybe we should focus on the task at hand.”

Mitchell reacts to situations quickly, but will pause to listen to reason: He quickly calls for a med team when Daniel and Vala first collapse, and he quickly acts to shoot the communication device when things get worse, but does stop to listen to the input from Dr Lee before overreacting.


Quotes:

‘Reading’ ancient: “A U with a square over it. A chair with a square! Upside down backwards L, call that seven! Squares unevenly stacked. A chair and big N, um...”

After finishing the tests and the treasure is revealed, he whispers, “Worth it.”

Upon discovering the ancient device among the treasure: “Well, one of these things is not like the others.”

After Daniel uses that he missed the Daedalus as the excuse that he get to use the stones and communication device: “You gonna dine on that for a while?”
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*While I’m here, let me reiterate that the swordfight had nothing to do with how well the challenger could fight and beat the HoloKnight. The ancients could care in the least if anyone can handle a sword. After the HoloKnight beat the challenger down [and he was programmed to be slightly better than whoever the challenger was, so his skills weren’t much better than Mitchell’s], the test was whether the challenger could find the inner strength, the conviction of spirit, the ability to NOT give up. If the challenger got up and continued to fight the HoloKnight, he would let him/her win.

Kas
August 10th, 2005, 09:13 AM
You're doing fine, Hurley! Speak out about anything, we'll figure it out. Heck, I've had a harder time trying to figure out the posts of some people that I assume English is their first language! :D .

Absolutely! I'm just impressed that people can write/speak in a 2nd language. (Hey, I'm English...what more can I say?...except that we are generally totally HOPELESS!)



Yikes, Greytop, I forgot to mention his Mom!!!

Tut, tut... how could you forget MUM? With that one brief flashback we know more about Mitchell's background than virtually the rest of SG-1! We know he has a mom, a grandma, an uncle...probably more family too.

Another fine overview Chillin... just want to add in these quotes ... I found them funny anyway! :D

Channelling the Blues Brothers... Oh, and don't forget to add that our Mitchell is a big movie fan...

"Perhaps I should have just said I'm on a mission from God"
"doesn't look like we're getting the band back together"

He also guesses General Patton's quote that Landry quoted by saying "good movie" afterwards! (although on 2nd thoughts, I don't think that's Avalon 1)

ChillinTheMost
August 10th, 2005, 10:05 AM
Absolutely! I'm just impressed that people can write/speak in a 2nd language. (Hey, I'm English...what more can I say?...except that we are generally totally HOPELESS!)

So, so true.


Tut, tut... how could you forget MUM? With that one brief flashback we know more about Mitchell's background than virtually the rest of SG-1! We know he has a mom, a grandma, an uncle...probably more family too.

I'm so ashamed. :o

;)


Thanks for your comments and additions!

Kas
August 10th, 2005, 10:09 AM
What is this board playing at today? Keeps crashing on me and I've now only just seen your Avalon 2 synopsis, even though you posted it first!


*While I’m here, let me reiterate that the swordfight had nothing to do with how well the challenger could fight and beat the HoloKnight. The ancients could care in the least if anyone can handle a sword. After the HoloKnight beat the challenger down [and he was programmed to be slightly better than whoever the challenger was, so his skills weren’t much better than Mitchell’s], the test was whether the challenger could find the inner strength, the conviction of spirit, the ability to NOT give up. If the challenger got up and continued to fight the HoloKnight, he would let him/her win.
Absolutely... it was as the Merlin Hologram stated the priorities for proving worthy. It wasn't just a case of defeating the knight, thereby proving nothing but physical strength but another 'test' to find all the qualities you've stated. Mitchell could have just headed for the safety of the rings and out of there but he drew on greater qualities of inner strength and proved himself a worthy victor. I LOVED that whole scene because it gave us so much insight into the type of man Mitchell is... 'never say die' character.

His description of Ancient writing was hilarious...but once again very quick thinking when under pressure. Daniel did really well to visualise all that in his head and translate so quickly :)

And the 'going to dine on that for a while' comment was a real LOL! moment.

ChillinTheMost
August 10th, 2005, 12:55 PM
Chronicling Mitchell:

904 – The Ties That Bind

Tangibles:

Is still trying to get Daniel to re-commit to SG-1.

Costume change! Undercover rawhides!

[B]Intangibles:

Team dynamics: Calls Daniel Jackson, “Jackson”. Mitchell calls his fellow pilots and military friends by their surnames so, to me, this is more of a “buddy” thing

First sign of “something” between Mitchell and Dr. Lam, even if it’s only in Landry’s mind: Mitchell and Lam emerge from elevator, Mitchell fumbles with top button, probably just trying to be “official” for Landry. Landry gives the couple "knowing" looks.

Leadership: Mitchell informs Arlos that the team will be tracking down his mother’s necklace while others hesitate.

Teal'c: I am offering my assistance on this mission only to aid Daniel Jackson. My participation should not be construed as a desire to rejoin SG-1.
Mitchell: Right.
Teal'c: Colonel Mitchell, at times, you remind me of O'Neill.
Mitchell: Ah, I'll take that as a compliment.
Teal'c: As you wish.
This exchange shows that Mitchell hasn’t convinced Teal’c to rejoin SG-1, yet, but that Mitchell thinks it’s just a matter of time. When Teal’c compares Mitchell to O’Neill, and Mitchell decides it is a complement, Teal’c doesn’t dispute it. But I think the jury is still out as far as Teal’c is concerned, re: accepting Mitchell totally.

Calls himself “Cam” not “Cameron”: “Cam Mitchell, bounty hunter.”

Football fan.

Good team move: when Daniel and Mitchell simultaneously grab an arm of Vala’s to drag her away.

Isn’t giving up on Teal’c rejoining the team: “He'll be back.”

[B]Quotes:

As Daniel awakens: “Good morning, Sunshine!”

About the undercover rawhides: “You don't reckon Landry's gonna make us work them into the rotation, do you?“

After the description of Vala and Arlos “frolicking”: “It's ok! It's great, thanks. We got the picture. A very vivid, very disturbing picture.”

When Vala and Inago call each other not-so-nice names: “Obviously they used to date.”

“Cam Mitchell, bounty hunter.”

“So, who you like in the NFL this year? You kinda strike me as a Raiders fan.”

“Wicked.”

ChillinTheMost
August 10th, 2005, 01:00 PM
Ya know, I kind of thought I'd be better at this. Or it would have more zing. Or something. Frankly, I don't think I'm doing it justice. If anyone wants to take over, just let me know.

greytop
August 10th, 2005, 01:04 PM
I think Teal'c will accept Cameron more as an equal, after the episode Babylon.

ChillinTheMost
August 10th, 2005, 02:10 PM
Oh, I think that Teal'c will eventually accept Mitchell, and I'm glad that they are taking it slowly on that issue. It would be unrealistic for Teal'c to be all gung-ho and buddy-buddy with him. Besides, it's more fun this way, with Teal'c's sly aside gazes and sort of pretending that he doesn't like him. :p I don't know about the Babylon episode, so I can't comment on that.

Cathain Nottingham
August 10th, 2005, 02:52 PM
Ya know, I kind of thought I'd be better at this. Or it would have more zing. Or something. Frankly, I don't think I'm doing it justice. If anyone wants to take over, just let me know.

Actually just let me say that I'm loving what you've done. Especially since I'm trying to get Cameron's personality down for a possible new series surrounding him.

Kas
August 10th, 2005, 04:02 PM
Actually just let me say that I'm loving what you've done. Especially since I'm trying to get Cameron's personality down for a possible new series surrounding him.

Ditto... I've really loved reading these character analysis by episode. Really hope you'll feel like continuing...



First sign of “something” between Mitchell and Dr. Lam, even if it’s only in Landry’s mind: Mitchell and Lam emerge from elevator, Mitchell fumbles with top button, probably just trying to be “official” for Landry.


I believe he was just correcting his dress code in front of the General too...really fits in with his strict military sense. I can't believe either Mitchell or Lam would act like teenagers and have really actually made out in the elevator, as some seem to think. That would certainly knock his record sheet from A to Z- and doesn't really fit with the very proper military behavior we see CM display.

If it wasn't for spoilers though... you wouldn't think that CM and Lam knew each other at all from the way they interact before this point. I guess it's possible that once finding out they were both assigned in these positions that they'd privately agree to keep quiet about any prior aquaintance in case it jeopardised their postings?

Thoughts?

greytop
August 10th, 2005, 04:11 PM
Ya know, I kind of thought I'd be better at this. Or it would have more zing. Or something. Frankly, I don't think I'm doing it justice. If anyone wants to take over, just let me know.Let's see.....
Cathain Nottingham was first....
Kas was second.....
That makes me......THIRD.

Ditto to the above.

Hurley
August 11th, 2005, 03:15 AM
Let's see.....
Cathain Nottingham was first....
Kas was second.....
That makes me......THIRD.

Ditto to the above.

That makes me fourth!
Yeah, don't even think to stop your chronicles, Chillin the most, or you will cope with a massive uprising with petition on line! :D

ChillinTheMost
August 11th, 2005, 07:02 AM
Okay. I honestly thought they were lacking something when I would reread them, but I'll continue as long as I can. It's one of those labor's of love, but eventually, 'they' expect me to work at work. :D Shouldn't be any problem, though, since I only have to do one per week now.


If it wasn't for spoilers though... you wouldn't think that CM and Lam knew each other at all from the way they interact before this point. I guess it's possible that once finding out they were both assigned in these positions that they'd privately agree to keep quiet about any prior aquaintance in case it jeopardised their postings?
I thought TPTB had decided not to go that route when Mitchell and Lam didn't react to each other in the first 3 episodes. The only thing I really got this time was the way he was hovering over her when the elevator doors opened. Not exactly intimate, but familiar. If that makes sense. lot of floors in that place.] The other thing was the look she gave Mitchell after Landry left. Again, familiar, maybe a bit indulgent, but not intimate.

ChillinTheMost
August 11th, 2005, 07:09 AM
...Especially since I'm trying to get Cameron's personality down for a possible new series surrounding him.
Do you mean fanfic? I'm not big on reading fanfic, but I'd like to see what people are doing with Mitchell. Let us know where to find it when you've got something together for us!

Kas
August 11th, 2005, 08:29 AM
Okay. I honestly thought they were lacking something when I would reread them, but I'll continue as long as I can. It's one of those labor's of love, but eventually, 'they' expect me to work at work. :D Shouldn't be any problem, though, since I only have to do one per week now..

Can there be a better thing to love? ...Work...pfftt, what's that? :D
Seriously, that's wonderful. Glad you've decided to keep going for a while and look forward to your analysis each week! (only a few more and then the US goes on a 3 month hiatus! :( )



I thought TPTB had decided not to go that route when Mitchell and Lam didn't react to each other in the first 3 episodes. The only thing I really got this time was the way he was hovering over her when the elevator doors opened. Not exactly intimate, but familiar. If that makes sense. lot of floors in that place.] The other thing was the look she gave Mitchell after Landry left. Again, familiar, maybe a bit indulgent, but not intimate.

That was what I thought as surely we would have had some sort of acknowledgement that they knew each other like with Landry. They appeared to have been in deep conversation about something in the elevator...perhaps just the Daniel & Vala situation? I thought that the look Lam gave Mitchell after going through the stilted conversation with Landry (who the general audience still do not know is her father, although clues have been dropped) could be read as one as just finding the whole situation amusing like most daughters when they believe their parent is always suspecting something when they are accompanying an attractive male. In other words, if I hadn't read any spoilers from various places, I could still assume that they hadn't met until the sick bay with what we have seen presented on screen.

Hurley
August 11th, 2005, 11:42 AM
Chronicling Mitchell:

901 – Avalon, Pt I

Intangibles:

Has respect and awe for SGC and SG-1: the way he touches the Stargate when he first sees it; his orders to protect SG-1 at all costs during battle

A little self-doubt at being suddenly put in charge of a team that doesn’t have the best players on it: from his conversation with Sam: “What if the world needs saving ‘cos I screwed up ‘cos you weren't here in the first place?”

Some type of earlier relationship with Sam Carter.

Some people see a physical likeness between Mitchell and Daniel Jackson: Vala: “…I know nothing about your fair planet, other than it seems to have a rather interesting, if somewhat limited, gene pool.”

Is enthusiastic when working with Jackson and Teal’c.

Leadership skills: Keeping the team focused: Aboard Prometheus: “Alright! Excuse me kids.”
In the caves: “Don't make me separate you two.” [Of course, these could also be frustration at the bickering of Vala and Daniel.]

Wry sense of humor: To Teal’c, who doesn’t respond to Mitchell’s joke: “Maybe it's just me, but I'm digging this rapport we've got going between the two of us.”

In Avalon, Part 1, Landry says to Mitchell :"All pilots have type A personalities". If Landry is right, we can assume that Mitchell is probably someone of impulsive, impatient, inquiring and demanding (with himself and the others).
I remember dimly my psychology lessons, so if someone know more about this type of personalities... ;)

Kas
August 11th, 2005, 12:10 PM
In Avalon, Part 1, Landry says to Mitchell :"All pilots have type A personalities". If Landry is right, we can assume that Mitchell is probably someone of impulsive, impatient, inquiring and demanding (with himself and the others).
I remember dimly my psychology lessons, so if someone know more about this type of personalities... ;)

Hmmm, interesting point Hurley:

From http://nj.essortment.com/typeapersonali_rgcc.htm




Type A folks have major issues around three key areas: time, money and dirt.

Type A’s and Issues surrounding time.

Type A people have limitless problems with time. Type A’s need to be on time, they need to avoid running out of time, they need to have a watch or clock handy so they can measure time, they invest time, measure the value of time spent and time left available. These folks have issues with deadlines, as they are restricting, yet they feel they must have them and they must be met. Time is a tool for measuring and a means of limiting, confining and defining. As such, time is important to someone who has always had to meet standards and deadlines for acceptance.


In regards to Mitchell, I don't see him having a problem here. He seems to be incredibly patient, hanging on waiting for the team he wants to reform. Although, he was badgering Daniel to make it official in TTTB!


Issues with money.

Type A people have esteem issues, as they don’t base their value on solid ground but rather on meeting standards. As such, rather than by their inherent value as people, they value themselves and what they do by money. What’s it worth, what did it cost, how much do they earn, have and spend? They spend or give money as a way of showing love or affection. It is their empowerment and security. In relationships there is a medium of exchange and of acceptance with others and it is money.

Wow, Mitchell definitely seems to fit the opening sentence here. A slight lack of self-esteem in his phone call to Carter...wondering how he'd do and not wanting to mess things up. Didn't last long though...just a momentary reaction I feel, acknowledging his being thrust into leading the team although inexperienced of gate travel etc.


Issues with dirt.

As the type A individual is perfectionist and of low self esteem they don’t want to have any association with dirt. Getting dirty makes them feel cheap and worthless. They need neat surroundings.

Well, I wouldn't think he'd have any problem getting down and dirty...but it looks like he's a bit of a perfectionist and a little hard on himself.


Remission.

Something like remission or over compensation can occur in which the type A personality may swing to the extreme opposite to cope. They may give away money to show they can, get dirty or do dirty jobs to confront their fears and may throw caution about time to the wind to set themselves free. Still you can see that they still are tied heavily to these issues.


Emotions.

Type A personalities may deny emotion or not know they have any. They may feel guilty for having or showing emotions as this would take them away from the source of real value for them which is to meet standards like a perfectly performing machine.



Well, Mitchell certainly showed his feelings on the quiet in his reaction to finding out the team was disbanded and he made his concern for Daniel and Vala very clear...so no problems there. He did feel guilty displaying some self-doubt to Sam though, asking that they forget he ever said anything.

Overall though, I should imagine that like most people Mitchell would display some of each personality type, rather than rigidly falling into one or the other. I should think that Leaders of any kind have more of the type A general personality traits:


Type A personalities are work-aholics, always busy, driven, somewhat impatient, and so on. Type B personalities, on the other hand are laid back and easy going. "Type A personality" has found its way into general parlance.


Mitchell did tell Landry that sometimes he could be a little impatient! LOL!

Hurley
August 11th, 2005, 12:37 PM
work-aholics? Yeah, I think Mitchell is definitely a hard worker. The guy has probably read all the SGC files (several hours, days, weeks or perhaps months of reading!!)

greytop
August 11th, 2005, 12:39 PM
Genral Landry seems to me to have the Type A personality instead Cam.

ChillinTheMost
August 11th, 2005, 01:09 PM
Hmmm, I don't know about all that criteria, Kas, some of it seems extreme. Like not wanting to get dirty and wanting money to show their value. Maybe that's the definition, but then very few people would meet the criteria and I think of many people as being Type A. I don't think it's that exclusive a club.

I tend to go with the more-relaxed definition you gave:

Type A personalities are work-aholics, always busy, driven, somewhat impatient, and so on. Type B personalities, on the other hand are laid back and easy going. "Type A personality" has found its way into general parlance.

All the other stuff may be correct in psychology books, but in everday usage, I think this simpler definition is what people mean when they use the term. And I can see Mitchell as being like that.

As for him reading all the files, it just struck me... I'm sure you've all heard that Ben Browder had a marathon and watched every episode of Stargate after they hired him? [Previously, he had watched some episodes, mostly with his son, but he wanted to make sure that he saw them all before filming.] I wonder if they put in the part about Mitchell reading the files because of that? Cool. Or coincidence? But cool either way.

ChillinTheMost
August 11th, 2005, 01:11 PM
Genral Landry seems to me to have the Type A personality instead Cam.
Why do you think that, greytop? I think Landry probably is Type A, definitely with the more relaxed definition I mentioned above, but why do you think Landry instead of Cam?

greytop
August 11th, 2005, 01:17 PM
As for him reading all the files, it just struck me... I'm sure you've all heard that Ben Browder had a marathon and watched every episode of Stargate after they hired him? (Previously, he had watched some episodes, mostly with his son, but he wanted to make sure that he saw them all before filming.)I had read that in an interview somewhere he had watch all the shows.

I wonder if they put in the part about Mitchell reading the files because of that? Cool. Or coincidence? But cool either way.I agree ChillinTheMost. I think believe what he said about barber Joe was also what he thought of the guy.

I changed you brackets to () so I could split you quote, Chillin. (Only in my quote, that is.) It is still brackets in the original.

greytop
August 11th, 2005, 01:30 PM
Why do you think that, greytop? I think Landry probably is Type A, definitely with the more relaxed definition I mentioned above, but why do you think Landry instead of Cam?Cam may be a Type A when he a pilot, it just seems that pilots can also be just the opposite when they are not flying.

ChillinTheMost
August 11th, 2005, 02:06 PM
... I think believe what he said about barber Joe was also what he thought of the guy. Hmmm, I hadn't thought of that. I expect Ben to adlib a bit when he feels comfortable with the character, and it would be interesting to know which lines are scripted, which are adlibbed, and which are scripted because of Ben's input or conversations the writers have with him.


I changed you brackets to () so I could split you quote, Chillin. (Only in my quote, that is.) It is still brackets in the original. :p That's fine, I just use the square brackets so I don't have to hit the cap key and the 9 and 0 at the same time. I can type, but doing those fancy things can be challenging. :D :D :D

ChillinTheMost
August 11th, 2005, 02:08 PM
Cam may be a Type A when he a pilot, it just seems that pilots can also be just the opposite when they are not flying. I can see that. He can be very laid back. I think we saw some of this in The Ties That Bind. He took over when the situation needed it, but he was also fine at times sitting back and letting the others take the lead.

Kas
August 11th, 2005, 02:12 PM
Hmmm, I don't know about all that criteria, Kas, some of it seems extreme. Like not wanting to get dirty and wanting money to show their value. Maybe that's the definition, but then very few people would meet the criteria and I think of many people as being Type A. I don't think it's that exclusive a club.

It was rather extreme definition coming from the psychology viewpoint. Most people are probably are just composed of less rigid traits and have overall leanings to one type or another.


I tend to go with the more-relaxed definition you gave:

Me too... and I assume Landry as well. After all, the guy is not a psychologist and would be using it from a general everyday sense.


And I can see Mitchell as being like that
As for him reading all the files, it just struck me... I'm sure you've all heard that Ben Browder had a marathon and watched every episode of Stargate after they hired him? [Previously, he had watched some episodes, mostly with his son, but he wanted to make sure that he saw them all before filming.] I wonder if they put in the part about Mitchell reading the files because of that? Cool. Or coincidence? But cool either way.

Wouldn't surprise me if they did use it. It's not uncommon for a little of the actor's own personality to become incorporated into the characterisation and I would imagine that the writers may pick up certain aspects that they think fit and include it in their writing.

Neelan_Liquor
August 11th, 2005, 07:03 PM
A thought.......

Jack always said, "Sweet."
Teal'c always says, "Indeed."
Cameron will always say, "Wicked."

What do you think?

Awwww, there's a little Harry Potter in all of us. ;)

I'm sure Landry meant Type A Personality in the more colloquial sense... ie, the driven work-aholic who demand the best from themselves and those around them. Cam's crack about not being very patient sometimes totally fits into that more common usage.

And regarding the Cam/Lam/Landry scene... TOTALLY didn't see what some people seemed to have noticed with that damn button. I just figured that Cam only just noticed that it wasn't done up properly. Either I'm really dim (which I'm usually not) or some people are just reading WAY too much into ANY scene with Cam and Dr. Lam (jeez, I sure hope they don't end up together... just because of the name tongue twister... and wait until SAM gets back! :eek: )
I'm gettin' cofuzzled... night! :S

greytop
August 11th, 2005, 10:04 PM
With Cam being a pilot, more so than Jack, I was wondering if Cameron will being flying (or learning to fly) some of the alien craft on the show.

Kas
August 11th, 2005, 11:18 PM
With Cam being a pilot, more so than Jack, I was wondering if Cameron will being flying (or learning to fly) some of the alien craft on the show.

Good thinking Greytop... that could very well be a distinct possibility down the line. Wow, this is certainly opening up the whole SG1-verse... and did you see that?....:

Cam's a trader again down on the planet whilst the others are doing something else? Wonder if the Leather makes an appearance again as the new Undercover uniform... It seems like TPTB aren't going to miss the opportunity of putting Ben in leather any more than Claudia :D

greytop
August 11th, 2005, 11:27 PM
Good thinking Greytop... that could very well be a distinct possibility down the line. Wow, this is certainly opening up the whole SG1-verse... and did you see that?....:

Cam's a trader again down on the planet whilst the others are doing something else? Wonder if the Leather makes an appearance again as the new Undercover uniform... It seems like TPTB aren't going to miss the opportunity of putting Ben in leather any more than Claudia :D I sure did. :D I'm wondering if the TPTB have lurking our thunk threads at GW.

ChillinTheMost
August 12th, 2005, 06:32 AM
...And regarding the Cam/Lam/Landry scene... TOTALLY didn't see what some people seemed to have noticed with that damn button. I just figured that Cam only just noticed that it wasn't done up properly. Either I'm really dim (which I'm usually not) or some people are just reading WAY too much into ANY scene with Cam and Dr. Lam (jeez, I sure hope they don't end up together... just because of the name tongue twister... and wait until SAM gets back! :eek: )
I'm gettin' cofuzzled... night! :S
First, how did you ever get away with that screen name? ;) :D ;)

And, second, I'll let you in on a deep dark secret: Shhhhh... I think Cam and Sam would look great together as a couple. Shhhh, don't tell anybody I said that, 'kay? ;) I'm pretty sure I don't want the show to go there and I definitely don't want UST and angst and all the crap that comes with hooking up main characters, but when I think of them together, I just think they will look soooo good standing next to each other. Oh, the pretty!

But, yeah, people are definitely overreading that scene. [IMO] Not that it won't necessarily lead to something, but as it was, nothing much happening there.

ChillinTheMost
August 12th, 2005, 06:36 AM
With Cam being a pilot, more so than Jack, I was wondering if Cameron will being flying (or learning to fly) some of the alien craft on the show.
And maybe there will be more opportunity with that since it looks like there might be more planet hopping. In the past it was: go to a planet, go home, go to another planet, go home... There is the feel, now, that there might be more interplanetary travel, and maybe without the Stargate. Cool.

Hurley
August 12th, 2005, 07:44 AM
First, how did you ever get away with that screen name? ;) :D ;)

And, second, I'll let you in on a deep dark secret: Shhhhh... I think Cam and Sam would look great together as a couple. Shhhh, don't tell anybody I said that, 'kay? ;) I'm pretty sure I don't want the show to go there and I definitely don't want UST and angst and all the crap that comes with hooking up main characters, but when I think of them together, I just think they will look soooo good standing next to each other. Oh, the pretty!

But, yeah, people are definitely overreading that scene. [IMO] Not that it won't necessarily lead to something, but as it was, nothing much happening there.

A Cam/Sam ship? :eek: You should start to run... and run quickly! :D

I'm not sure either to want an intimate relation between Mitchell and one of the main character. The writers don't seem to have a real gift for this kind of stuff.

Another subject :What can we expect from the tonight episode ? A wallpaper Mitchell or a little character development? I know the writers have chosen to introduce Mitchell slowly (and I think it's a wise choice) but now, I'm ready to know more about him. And you, guys, are you ready? ;)

Kas
August 12th, 2005, 08:01 AM
A Cam/Sam ship? :eek: You should start to run... and run quickly! :D

LOL! :D
Chillin you are going to regret admitting that, but at least we don't have to have any ship to see them looking pretty standing next to each other! :) I really think he and Dr Lam look mighty pretty side by side too! If there will be any UST, it probably will be there as the character is a civilian (IMO). Not so restrictive on how the writers can play the card, so to speak. However, I really, really, really want to get to know the characters as individuals before they delve into any romantic entanglements.


Another subject :What can we expect from the tonight episode ? A wallpaper Mitchell or a little character development? I know the writers have chosen to introduce Mitchell slowly (and I think it's a wise choice) but now, I'm ready to know more about him. And you, guys, are you ready? ;)

Oh, I'm more than ready, but I don't think anything major tonight. However, we will be learning all about what makes Vala tick and I'm looking forward to that. Hopefully, we'll get some more little things to make us see the man Mitchell is as he goes about vouching for her?

ChillinTheMost
August 12th, 2005, 10:46 AM
Yeah, I'm ready for tonight! Can't wait. Unfortunately, I don't think there is going to be much Mitchell. But I always watch his parts 2 or 3 times, so it seems like more! :D

I like Vala, but I do think they've been concentrating on her too long. It was fun, and still is, but I do find myself anxious for the return of Sam.

And, don't worry, I don't really want a romance! I'll just look at them both together and enjoy the pretty!

Hurley
August 12th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Oh, I'm more than ready, but I don't think anything major tonight. However, we will be learning all about what makes Vala tick and I'm looking forward to that. Hopefully, we'll get some more little things to make us see the man Mitchell is as he goes about vouching for her?

I haven't any problem either with Vala being the focus of the six first episodes. I love C.B and I like Vala a lot. I just want to see her character interacting with Teal'c, Landry, Lam and of course Mitchell. For Vala and Mitchell, I know that TPTB don't want that because of Farscape and I think it's ridiculous. Two movie actors can play together prominent parts in different movies so why it's not possible for two t.v actors?
TBTP must believe that we are a bit stupid and not able to separate Aeryn & John from Mitchell & Vala. B.B and C.B are two great actors and I think it's a tremendous waste!
I just have to say that. Now, I feel better. Peace and love! :D

P.S : if you don't understand my message because my english sucks, it's not a big deal. I just explain that I love TPTB and the deep relation between Vala and Mitchell. ;)

Neelan_Liquor
August 12th, 2005, 01:30 PM
WAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa :( My previous post got lost in the GW time warp! :mad: I'm crossing my fingers that it'll pop up later....

Kas
August 12th, 2005, 01:43 PM
P.S : if you don't understand my message because my english sucks, it's not a big deal. I just explain that I love TPTB and the deep relation between Vala and Mitchell. ;)

I understood very well Hurley and I do agree with you... I personally have no problem with actors playing different roles - the characters are so different from their previous ones - along with the storylines. However, her story is mostly connected (literally!) to Daniel. It does seem a pity not to see the characters interact a little more as Ben & Claude do have tremendous chemistry but I can sympathise with TPTB as some viewers posting on various boards do seem to see their former show/work in everything they do. So, I guess overall, that it has been wise to play it the way they have.

Perhaps...
they will have more interaction with one another when Vala returns in the back half of the season, and Ben has had the chance to really establish Mitchell?

Question: Do we think that Cameron does use the shortened form of his name or was he just doing that for effect, to fit in with bounty hunter circles? I mean, his mother referred to him as Cameron on his hospital bed so she can't be calling him by a shortened form or she would have done it whilst he was so sick. He introduced himself as "my friends call me Cameron" ... so is Cam only going to be used on undercover ops?

Mongo's Girl
August 12th, 2005, 01:54 PM
Late to the party, as usual. Nice thread. :)

What can I say? I love Mitchell, and look forward to learning more about his personality. I'm sure he's a good guy and all, but I'm really interested in that kryptonite factor. It's those inner demons make us interesting. :)


For Vala and Mitchell, I know that TPTB don't want that because of Farscape and I think it's ridiculous. Two movie actors can play together prominent parts in different movies so why it's not possible for two t.v actors?
TBTP must believe that we are a bit stupid and not able to separate Aeryn & John from Mitchell & Vala. B.B and C.B are two great actors and I think it's a tremendous waste!


I don't know Hurley. I'm kinda glad they're keeping the distance between BB and CB. I loved them on Farscape, but I really want to distinguish them as separate beings, and although some fans may be able to separate the different parts, others won't. I also don't want to tempt fate, and not like them together, which I'm pretty certain wouldn't happen. I'm digging Vala and Daniel, so it's cool. :cool:

Kas
August 12th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Late to the party, as usual. Nice thread. :)

Hey, you know what they say... 'Better late than never' :)


I'm really interested in that kryptonite factor. It's those inner demons make us interesting. :)

That's what I want to learn about too. I agree, it's the depths beneath the surface that makes a person what they are and I've a feeling that we are going to really like 'Collateral Damage'.

Mongo's Girl
August 12th, 2005, 02:35 PM
I'm also hoping to get further scoop on what's up with Cam and Lam. Cameron buttoning up didn't really bother me, but Landry's reaction to them together is what I noticed. Maybe some unresolved past issues still lingering between them that Landry knows about. It's probably nothing though. After all the fuss over Sam and Jack, I doubt they'd throw any relationships in the SGC mix. I'd love a shakey past angle though. Maybe he broke her heart years ago, or vice versa. That'd be fun to play with. :)

Hurley
August 12th, 2005, 03:02 PM
Late to the party, as usual. Nice thread. :)
I don't know Hurley. I'm kinda glad they're keeping the distance between BB and CB. I loved them on Farscape, but I really want to distinguish them as separate beings, and although some fans may be able to separate the different parts, others won't. I also don't want to tempt fate, and not like them together, which I'm pretty certain wouldn't happen. I'm digging Vala and Daniel, so it's cool. :cool:

Hi, Mongo's girl !
I like "the Daniel-Vala show" too and I don't want a close relationship between Vala and Mitchell either. I just want to see them interacting normally.They are keeping distance like if they were afraid of catching a terrible disease. :D

Hurley
August 12th, 2005, 03:06 PM
That's what I want to learn about too. I agree, it's the depths beneath the surface that makes a person what they are and I've a feeling that we are going to really like 'Collateral Damage'.

Same here. Can't wait for "Collateral damage" ! :)

Neelan_Liquor
August 12th, 2005, 03:14 PM
I'm also hoping to get further scoop on what's up with Cam and Lam. Cameron buttoning up didn't really bother me, but Landry's reaction to them together is what I noticed. Maybe some unresolved past issues still lingering between them that Landry knows about. It's probably nothing though. After all the fuss over Sam and Jack, I doubt they'd throw any relationships in the SGC mix. I'd love a shakey past angle though. Maybe he broke her heart years ago, or vice versa. That'd be fun to play with. :)

I don't think that's the case either. When Landry first met Cameron in Avalon I, it sure sounded like it was for the very first time... not like he'd even heard of this kid before his posting. ;) If there had been any kind of past between Cam and Lam, I'm sure we woulda seen more of a reaction in that first scene between Landry and Cam. If you don't read spoilers at all, you probably won't understnd why. :rolleyes:

And since I think my earlier post has been lost in the GW wormhole, here's the gist of what I posted then:


First, how did you ever get away with that screen name? ;) :D ;)
It's a perfectly legitimate SG name... just ask Peter DeLuise! :p If it wasn't for him, I never would have noticed that name in the ep....

And I can't wait for tonight's ep!!! :D But I think Collateral Damage will be quite the Benathon! *thud*

Neelan_Liquor
August 12th, 2005, 03:17 PM
Hey! Just noticed... I'm a Super Soldier! :D How appropriate is it that I have a Vala avatar and she was introduced to us as... a Super Soldier?! :D Yeah, me. ;)

Kas
August 12th, 2005, 04:39 PM
I don't think that's the case either. When Landry first met Cameron in Avalon I, it sure sounded like it was for the very first time... not like he'd even heard of this kid before his posting. ;) If there had been any kind of past between Cam and Lam, I'm sure we woulda seen more of a reaction in that first scene between Landry and Cam. If you don't read spoilers at all, you probably won't understnd why. :rolleyes:


It was certainly their very first meeting... Landry said, "You must be Col. Mitchell?" and the reply was, "Yes Sir. It's good to be here Sir."
If Landry had any prior knowledge of Cameron, I'm sure he would have reacted, especially as Lam is the base Doctor. After all, Cameron Mitchell is hardly a common name and it'd stick in your mind because of that actor :) (As they're referencing other movies/shows, I'm sure they'd acknowledge there was a Cameron Mitchell, actor). So, if there is a past between Cam & Lam, and Landry knows of it, he's hiding it well.

His manner was a puzzle though... could it just have been one of amusement as they were talking about Daniel & Vala being tied by a more permanent bond... knowing how much Daniel would love that? Although their situation is rather more serious.
Why keep eyeing Mitchell whilst talking to Lam? Could he see the scenario of the TWO technologies being brought together somehow combining and creating a permanent bond as an analogy for Cam & Lam, if he does know something about a past history? It does seem to be at this sentence in the conversation that the covert glances at Mitchell keep occuring.

Mongo's Girl
August 12th, 2005, 04:53 PM
So, if there is a past between Cam & Lam, Landry can't have heard of it. If he has, he's hiding it well.

Didn't you hear that spoiler Kas, Landry has a theatre background. :)

Kas
August 12th, 2005, 04:58 PM
Didn't you hear that spoiler Kas, Landry has a theatre background. :)

Well, there we go... that explains everything! :D

Mongo's Girl
August 12th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Lots of good Cam/Vala interaction...finally. :)

He still didn't have enough to do, but I can't complain cause I loved the episode.

Kas
August 13th, 2005, 12:36 AM
Well, from the couple of pics I've seen, we know that CM likes red Jelly! LOL!Strawberry?

Haven't been able to see the eppy yet, but I'm looking forward to seeing how those characters react :)

Alaskhah
August 13th, 2005, 03:28 AM
Well, from the couple of pics I've seen, we know that CM likes red Jelly! LOL!Strawberry?

Haven't been able to see the eppy yet, but I'm looking forward to seeing how those characters react :)
Well, it's important to know that he likes Jello! Now we KNOW he'll fit in, right? :P


I don't think that's the case either. When Landry first met Cameron in Avalon I, it sure sounded like it was for the very first time... not like he'd even heard of this kid before his posting.
Yeah, I'd have to agree. With Landry & Lam, I picked up right away that there was something in the way of a history between them. Not so with Mitchell & Landry. Whereas Lam was more caught off guard by who was there (Landry), Mitchell was more surprised by who wasn't there (Sam, Daniel, Teal'c). Jack was obviously holding out on everyone... *sigh* that Jack...

SlytherinGal
August 13th, 2005, 03:38 AM
Well, it's important to know that he likes Jello! Now we KNOW he'll fit in, right? :P

Yes, we like seeing Cameron like Jello! Only prob is it's red jello...red jello bad here unless you are someone who likes red jello!

ChillinTheMost
August 13th, 2005, 07:09 AM
Mitchell got more screen time than I thought he would this ep. Not as much as I would like, but they're hardly going to let him play every role just because it would please me, are they?

Loved the look on his face after Vala gently grabbed his nose. Nothing really, but nice...

More later...

Cathain Nottingham
August 13th, 2005, 10:44 AM
I loved it when he and Teal'c were playing cards - they looked like a pair of bored four year olds while Daniel and Vala are having a heart to heart.

Alaskhah
August 13th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Yes, we like seeing Cameron like Jello! Only prob is it's red jello...red jello bad here unless you are someone who likes red jello!
He's new... maybe he doesn't know that it's bad... Sam will have to tell him when she gets back. :P

Hurley
August 13th, 2005, 01:08 PM
Lots of good Cam/Vala interaction...finally. :)

That's what I'm talkin' about !! :D Just two good actors in a good scene. Thanks, TPTB. I'm an happy girl!

Overall a very good episode. The best of this season so far. Not enough Mitchell but I didn't expected to see much of him so I'm not disappointed.
I loved Mitchell and Teal'c playing cards (so cute!), the opening sequence (just perfect), Mitchell sick (the guy know how to be sick and still sexy!) and I love, no, I adore the black tee. (Last week the leather and yesterday, the black tee, well done! :p )

Kas
August 13th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Eventually got to see this episode...

Excellent timing and performances by all concerned...loved it.

The scenes that Mitchell was in were still pretty telling to me. You could tell that he was sick as soon as he spoke to Lam when she arrived on the planet. He had all the sweaty fever and palor... He knew it - it was in his body language and effort of speaking, but he didn't complain and carried on with his duty, leading her to where she could set up and help the others. And this was just after witnessing the 'death' and giving his report to Landry at SGC, where he was more than aware of the progression of the illness and that the outcome was not good. It looks like Mitchell literally carried on until he dropped and that indicates great leadership qualities.

I really liked the carrying on slowly building his rapport with Teal'c and Daniel... loved the card playing. Loved how Daniel realised that Mitch was doing the best he could with staving off the execution, buying time and negotiating the right to put Vala's case. And still Mitchell watches and learns all he can from Daniel... you can see the way he's paying attention to all his explanations etc.

Really liked the opening tag... Mitchell really seems to understand Vala and has her number... they have a friendly rapport going as well. Perhaps there is some understanding between them as they are really in similar positions... having to build trust and acceptance. Of course, the chemistry between those two actors is as strong as ever! :)

Off to have a rewatch...

Kas
August 14th, 2005, 12:20 AM
Well, I've been reading some comments in the episode thread now that I've seen it and I must say that I'm amazed that many people are commenting on the fact that Mitchell was sick and that it was out of the blue with no indication... I can't understand this for, as I posted above, I knew he was effected from the moment he greeted Lam on her arrival. He was a sick man! Obviously, I knew he wasn't going to die, but then that isn't the Ori's aim - they want conversions, not deaths.

But I found his sickness another nice insight into the Mitchell character with his determination to continue and not let on. The big question is... how have Daniel, Teal'c and Vala's systems been altered to cause them to have immunity? Remnants of protection from the symbiotes? Exposure to similar virus? Ascension (in Daniel's case)? Every other human type was effected, except those who'd had some dealings with the Gou'ald.

Hurley
August 14th, 2005, 01:21 AM
Well, I've been reading some comments in the episode thread now that I've seen it and I must say that I'm amazed that many people are commenting on the fact that Mitchell was sick and that it was out of the blue with no indication... I can't understand this for, as I posted above, I knew he was effected from the moment he greeted Lam on her arrival. He was a sick man! Obviously, I knew he wasn't going to die, but then that isn't the Ori's aim - they want conversions, not deaths.

I think it's one of the consequences of the very slow and careful introduction of Mitchell by the writers. The viewers don't pay completely attention to him because of his lack of characterisation so far. They focus on Daniel and Vala. Period. On the contrary, the Browder's fans focus on Mitchell and they notice his body language, his facial expression,... ;)


But I found his sickness another nice insight into the Mitchell character with his determination to continue and not let on. The big question is... how have Daniel, Teal'c and Vala's systems been altered to cause them to have immunity? Remnants of protection from the symbiotes? Exposure to similar virus? Ascension (in Daniel's case)? Every other human type was effected, except those who'd had some dealings with the Gou'ald.

Perhaps, the Priors have the ability to choose who is going to fall ill and they chose Mitchell for some reason. I don't think it's the right explanation but who knows?

Neelan_Liquor
August 14th, 2005, 11:31 AM
But I found his sickness another nice insight into the Mitchell character with his determination to continue and not let on. The big question is... how have Daniel, Teal'c and Vala's systems been altered to cause them to have immunity? Remnants of protection from the symbiotes? Exposure to similar virus? Ascension (in Daniel's case)? Every other human type was effected, except those who'd had some dealings with the Gou'ald.

I agree with Hurley in that, being Ben Browder fans, we're more attuned to his performance than the average Joe (so to speak) and that's probably why we noticed him becoming ill. I actually started to believe that he was showing symptoms during his call to the SGC. It was just more obvious when Lam finally arrived.

And I've been thinking about Daniel's immunity, as well as Vala and Teal'c's, and I think they weren't affected because of an earlier exposure and CURE. If it is the same viurs that was decimating the Ancients on Earth, then Daniel and Teal'c were already exposed to it... and cured by an Ancient. Of course, Teal'c's symbiote helped A LOT back then, but I think it was the "being cured by an Ancient" that kept them from falling victim again. And Vala's past with a symbiote probably helped her stay heathy, too. Cameron's the new guy and hasn't had any exposure to the Goauld or this virus before. :( Boy I've never been happier to see those SG-1, eppy-ending "miracles"! :D

Kas
August 14th, 2005, 11:53 AM
I agree with Hurley in that, being Ben Browder fans, we're more attuned to his performance than the average Joe (so to speak) and that's probably why we noticed him becoming ill. I actually started to believe that he was showing symptoms during his call to the SGC. It was just more obvious when Lam finally arrived.


You are both probably quite right. Being used to Ben's work and subtle, natural acting makes us read his body language. Neelan, I'm totally with you on the having slight symptoms during the call and beginning to present (seemed distracted, slightly sweaty and just little things in the speech pattern when listing the symptoms and saying "we're all OK" ), but in that scene on Lam's arrival it was just so obvious and pronounced that you knew for certain. I'm just surprised that so many didn't see it, but I've read reports saying he didn't fall down, faint or be carried off, so perhaps some people have to visualise a more flamboyant style rather than the subtleties of someone becoming feverish, before absorbing the information?

Your theory on the immunity situation certainly makes a lot of sense, although Lam didn't know if it's the same virus. However, it had similar pattern of behavior etc, so it could be from a similar family and offer the immunity. However, I wondered about Vala as she wasn't exposed to that, but likewise assume the remains of the symbiote effect would have offered her protection, at least for a period of time.

greytop
August 15th, 2005, 10:52 AM
"Did I miss any thing?" Mitchell said (it could been what did I) at the end of the episode TPTB. It shows that he wants to know what in the loop.

Also this was at the bottom of Page 2. :)

Kas
August 15th, 2005, 11:04 AM
Page 2 - sacrilege! :)

That's a very good point Greytop. Wow, one little sentence gives us another character revelation. Good call.
Yes, as well as wanting to learn about everything as background etc, Mitchell wants to be fully informed and part of the loop when it comes to everything that is going on. He's certainly not going to be a passive force.

Hurley
August 15th, 2005, 01:49 PM
Page 2 again. I have to do something.
I've just read the reply of Joe Malozzi to ShardsofGlass'post on the "Ask Joe Malozzi Thread". What can I say, exept :to have to wait until the 8th episode to see some character development for someone who is supposed to be the lead character, it's quite preposterous !

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 01:34 AM
Page 2 again. I have to do something.
I've just read the reply of Joe Malozzi to ShardsofGlass'post on the "Ask Joe Malozzi Thread". What can I say, exept :have to wait until the 8th episode to see some character development for someone who is supposed to be the character lead, it's quite preposterous !

I have been very patient, understanding their reasoning, but they are going overboard being too cautious. I was dismayed to read that from Mazzolli because you are virtually mid-season - due for the very long hiatus - and so many are still saying they don't know, this character...haven't seen him really lead etc... For a new, lead character this does seem a little extreme. Whereas Claudia, as Vala, has had a chance to demonstrate a Wow factor, Ben has not been able to do this. However, he does have 15 more episodes and a permanant integral character, so hopefully, now the new season set-up has been done, he'll get a chance to develop Cameron Mitchell.

There is a good discussion to understand viewers' viewpoints going on at this thread Hurley - if you want to take a gander:

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=15248

Hurley
August 16th, 2005, 03:32 AM
I have been very patient, understanding their reasoning, but they are going overboard being too cautious. I was dismayed to read that from Mazzolli because you are virtually mid-season - due for the very long hiatus - and so many are still saying they don't know, this character...haven't seen him really lead etc... For a new, lead character this does seem a little extreme. Whereas Claudia, as Vala, has had a chance to demonstrate a Wow factor, Ben has not been able to do this. However, he does have 15 more episodes and a permanant integral character, so hopefully, now the new season set-up has been done, he'll get a chance to develop Cameron Mitchell.
Yes, exactly what I think!

There is a good discussion to understand viewers' viewpoints going on at this thread Hurley - if you want to take a gander:

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=15248
Thanks. Interesting. Obviously, we aren't the only one to want more Mitchell. I also understand why some people believe this careful introduction is a good think, but it's just too excessive. THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS, GUYS!

P.S : I have to precise something : If I've written Joe Malozzi instead of Joe Mazzoli, it's not because I'm mad with the poor guy. Ok, perhaps a little, but it's totally unconsious, I swear! (cross my heart, smack me dead, stick a lobster on my head! :p )

Neelan_Liquor
August 16th, 2005, 04:17 AM
Yeah, it is a bit difficult to appreciate a character that hasn't been given much to do yet. I totally understand why Ben was frustrated with his lack of character development. Especially after doing a role like John Crichton which was ALL character develpment.

Good point on the other thread though, that this is the biggest difference between a plot-driven show like Stargate and a character-driven one like Farscape.

I think they actually try to put too much stuff into some of these SG eps, so we end up with eps feeling too short or cut off without appropriate epilogues. There's just so much stuff going on in some eps, that 44 minutes just isn't long enough, but making it a two-parter would be too much time, so we feel like something was left out at the end of the ep. :(

I think we'll see more Ben next week, with the band back together. :D And I think Joe's answer was just the short way of saying we'll be seeing more Ben in general, but in Babylon he'd be front and center. It's hard to wait for that, especially knowing that a lot of fans still don't know whether or not they even like the character just because they haven't seen him do enough to decide.

And page two is just... IMPOSSIBLE!!! ;)

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 04:53 AM
P.S : I have to precise something : If I've written Joe Malozzi instead of Joe Mazzoli, it's not because I'm mad with the poor guy. Ok, perhaps a little, but it's totally unconsious, I swear! (cross my heart, smack me dead, stick a lobster on my head! :p )

No, it's my bad Hurley... His name is Mallozzi... put it down to this thumping head I have today!


Good point on the other thread though, that this is the biggest difference between a plot-driven show like Stargate and a character-driven one like Farscape.

Very good point...and they've had a lot to do to kick-start this new set-up, so hopefully, the time is near for Mitchell to take up the military reigns... I mean, they now know, in no uncertain terms, the power and threat that the Ori can deliver.
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Bringing up another Cameron Mitchell saying:

"How about we pretend I didn't say that?" TPTB to Lam and the same "How about we pretend I didn't say that" in Avalon 1 to Sam.

Mitchell seems to be a guy who doesn't mind expressing his inner feelings, literally conveying his emotions, thoughts and fears even though he may instantly regret doing so! LOL!
I've a feeling that we may be seeing a lot more of this phrase as he appears to be a spontaneous soul, not only speaking whatever is on his mind but thinking quickly what to do and reacting to the situation as it presents itself. I like this, his being able to react quickly and intelligently to whatever presents. Looking forward to seeing a lot more of it... I also really like the aspect that he is able to speak of his emotions; his fears etc rather than doing the 'let's bottle everything in' type of personality.

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 05:09 AM
Well, I've been reading some comments in the episode thread now that I've seen it and I must say that I'm amazed that many people are commenting on the fact that Mitchell was sick and that it was out of the blue with no indication... I can't understand this for, as I posted above, I knew he was effected from the moment he greeted Lam on her arrival. He was a sick man! Obviously, I knew he wasn't going to die, but then that isn't the Ori's aim - they want conversions, not deaths....
Well, it went over my head and I stare at Mitchell whenever he's on the screen and replay all his scenes. I'll definitely be looking for it next time I watch, though! Good catch!

Hurley
August 16th, 2005, 05:18 AM
No, it's my bad Hurley... His name is Mallozzi... put it down to this thumping head I have today!
OK, just repeat after me : MALLOZZI, MALLOZZI, MALLOZZI, MALLOZZI, MALLOZZI, MALLOZZI ... :D


Bringing up another Cameron Mitchell saying:

"How about we pretend I didn't say that?" TPTB to Lam and the same "How about we pretend I didn't say that" in Avalon 1 to Sam.
I really love these scenes. So touching.


Mitchell seems to be a guy who doesn't mind expressing his inner feelings, literally conveying his emotions, thoughts and fears even though he may instantly regret doing so! LOL!
I've a feeling that we may be seeing a lot more of this phrase as he appears to be a spontaneous soul, not only speaking whatever is on his mind but thinking quickly what to do and reacting to the situation as it presents itself. I like this, his being able to react quickly and intelligently to whatever presents. Looking forward to seeing a lot more of it... I also really like the aspect that he is able to speak of his emotions; his fears etc rather than doing the 'let's bottle everything in' type of personality.
I think it's another big difference with Jack's character.

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 09:01 AM
Bringing up another Cameron Mitchell saying:

"How about we pretend I didn't say that?" TPTB to Lam and the same "How about we pretend I didn't say that" in Avalon 1 to Sam.

Mitchell seems to be a guy who doesn't mind expressing his inner feelings, literally conveying his emotions, thoughts and fears even though he may instantly regret doing so! LOL!
I've a feeling that we may be seeing a lot more of this phrase as he appears to be a spontaneous soul, not only speaking whatever is on his mind but thinking quickly what to do and reacting to the situation as it presents itself. I like this, his being able to react quickly and intelligently to whatever presents. Looking forward to seeing a lot more of it... I also really like the aspect that he is able to speak of his emotions; his fears etc rather than doing the 'let's bottle everything in' type of personality.

Interesting. Taking that a step further... Mitchell says what he is feeling, and then the line "How about we pretend I didn't say that?" is not so much regret that he said it, but a way to let the other person that they don't need to respond. Like, "There. I put it out there. But I don't want to put you in the uncomfortable position of having to respond." Like when he sort of told Sam that he was going to screw things up. I think he wanted her to know this, but if he hadn't added the "...I didn't say that" part, it would almost be incumbent upon Sam to build up his confidence or pay him compliments. And he wasn't fishing for compliments, he just wanted her to know how he felt.

And, of course, now I can't remember why he said that to Lam. I remember that he said it, but I can't remember why.

ShardsofGlass
August 16th, 2005, 09:35 AM
Well, didn't Lam as the doctor ask Cam how he was feeling? When she did, he said "tingly." I think he was embarassed to say he felt tingly because it's not very macho and it's a little weird, could be sexual, so he told her to pretend he hadn't said it.

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 09:39 AM
Ah, that's right, although it's weird that he said it there. I would think that "tingly" would be a good descriptive phrase to tell your doctor after an illness/injury/whatever. Unless, he was worried that she'd keep him in bed and he wanted to get up and get to work, but that does't really follow, I don't think.

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 10:08 AM
Interesting. Taking that a step further... Mitchell says what he is feeling, and then the line "How about we pretend I didn't say that?" is not so much regret that he said it, but a way to let the other person that they don't need to respond. Like, "There. I put it out there. But I don't want to put you in the uncomfortable position of having to respond." Like when he sort of told Sam that he was going to screw things up. I think he wanted her to know this, but if he hadn't added the "...I didn't say that" part, it would almost be incumbent upon Sam to build up his confidence or pay him compliments. And he wasn't fishing for compliments, he just wanted her to know how he felt.


Very, very good point. I like it... Definitely makes sense when you put it in that context. I notice they quickly said "OK" and knew that they didn't have to say anything further - you're spot on. :)


Well, didn't Lam as the doctor ask Cam how he was feeling? When she did, he said "tingly." I think he was embarassed to say he felt tingly because it's not very macho and it's a little weird, could be sexual, so he told her to pretend he hadn't said it.

This could also relate to those spoilers we've all seen had a past history or not! Perhaps, he thought she may read a sexual connotation into his description and her proximity. It goes full cycle with what Vala said to Daniel when she was 'cured' by the ORI. She felt all 'tingly' and said "don't worry, I'm sure it's not because of you" or something like that. LOL! So, I'm pretty sure that we can assume that the 'healing' power causes that - a sensation all in the nerves/electrical type stimulation...
Mitchell could just be trying to ease the situation which we would read as normal for someone coming round, but he may feel the need to make light of if those spoilers are true.

Thoughts?

Neelan_Liquor
August 16th, 2005, 10:42 AM
Forgot that Vala was tingly after she was "restored", but good point. It's gotta have something to do with how they were both healed/restored.


Mitchell could just be trying to ease the situation which we would read as normal for someone coming round, but he may feel the need to make light of if those spoilers are true.

Thoughts?

They're NOT spoilers... they're speculations! :rolleyes: As soon as Joe Malozzi (or another ptb) says there WAS history there, it's going to remain speculation. Can we get off of the wife-swapping? :eek: ;)

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 12:03 PM
They're NOT spoilers... they're speculations! :rolleyes: As soon as Joe Malozzi (or another ptb) says there WAS history there, it's going to remain speculation. Can we get off of the wife-swapping? :eek: ;)

Well, I included that as spoilers because I've seen it reported in more than one SciFi magazine, although I know they may not be accurate :).

Wife-swapping? Oh, because Lexa Doig is married to MS?... but they are all just actors doing a job... Although, I want to get to know the characters as individuals, it personally doesn't worry me if they decide to have some sort of interaction between the characters.

greytop
August 16th, 2005, 12:32 PM
In the last Stargate special (forgot the name), we saw them filming a scene where the group, with Vala, playing basketball. I was wonder what sport or sports Cameron like to play?

I figured that Landry was a basketball player because of the hoop in his office.

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 12:48 PM
In the last Stargate special (forgot the name), we saw them filming a scene where the group, with Vala, playing basketball. I was wonder what sport or sports Cameron like to play?

I figured that Landry was a basketball player because of the hoop in his office.

Hey, I had forgotten that scene Greytop... that must be in this week's episode. It's interesting because Sam wasn't present in the team basketball workout. She must come in later when they realise they need additional help.

It looks like Cameron was familiar with playing basketball in the clip... I guess the poor guy hasn't really had much time to play or resume any team sports for a while due to his accident. It definitely looks like Landry loves the sport and yes, we need a chance to see Mitchell's office (does he have one somewhere?) to see what personal touches he has.

greytop
August 16th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Remember that Jack didn't know he had a desk until Sam mention it.

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 12:56 PM
Hey, I had forgotten that scene Greytop... that must be in this week's episode. It's interesting because Sam wasn't present in the team basketball workout. She must come in later when they realise they need additional help...

Yeah, I heard she has a great outside shot.

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 12:59 PM
In the last Stargate special (forgot the name), we saw them filming a scene where the group, with Vala, playing basketball. I was wonder what sport or sports Cameron like to play?

I figured that Landry was a basketball player because of the hoop in his office.
If they play it close to Browder's history, then football.

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 01:00 PM
True... and come to think of it, Mitchell was at a general computer in control room with Walter and everyone else when wishing to communicate with Sam. Of course, that could be just for establishing communication links to Prometheus.

Second thoughts... duh! We have seen Mitchell's office when he was going through the files and interviewing the candidates for SG-1... no personal touches there yet though.

greytop
August 16th, 2005, 01:01 PM
If they play it close to Browder's history, then football.That's right. Now I remember, in TTTB, Cameron mentioned a pro football team. I believe it was the Raiders or the Eagles.

greytop
August 16th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Second thoughts... duh! We have seen Mitchell's office when he was going through the files and interviewing the candidates for SG-1... no personal touches there yet though.That was in the briefing room. Remember he got up when listening to the two sciencest and went to the window. Then the scene went into one of the flashbacks.

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 01:06 PM
If they play it close to Browder's history, then football.

Oh, that's right. I remember him saying that he played college football and did drama, so he managed to get the footballing team coming to watch the plays... slightly unusual, I gather! :D

They could play on Ben's interests because I remember Beau Bridges saying in interview that he really likes basketball and it was his idea to add the hoop as personal background for Landry.

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 01:09 PM
That's right. Now I remember, in TTTB, Cameron mentioned a pro football team. I believe it was the Raiders or the Eagles.

Good catch... it was the Raiders.

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 01:15 PM
Oh, that's right. I remember him saying that he played college football and did drama, so he managed to get the footballing team coming to watch the plays... slightly unusual, I gather! :D

They could play on Ben's interests because I remember Beau Bridges saying in interview that he really likes basketball and it was his idea to add the hoop as personal background for Landry.

I think he even got a football scholarship, so he was pretty good. He played defensive linebacker - a position for strong, quick players. And ones that can read the offense.

The play Ben specifically mentions is South Pacific, in which there is a play within the play, or a musical within the play, and the men wear grass skirts and coconut bras. Ben laughs about having his football buddies having seen him in a coconut bra!

I've also heard that Ben likes collegiate basketball. It may have been Duke that he liked?

Also his family is involved in NASCAR and he enjoys the races. If you can call that a sport. Some redneck guys we met in a bar said that it stood for Non-Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks. :D His father's business sponsors a call and one of his brothers is the driver. I think they've dropped down a level because they weren't doing real well, so I don't know if it's still NASCAR or something else. Or if NASCAR has levels.

Kas - the "footballing team"? Are you from the UK? I mostly hear that terminology from non-USA posters. Or maybe you're just not big into sports? Nothing wrong with any of that, it just struck me...

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 01:34 PM
I think he even got a football scholarship, so he was pretty good. He played defensive linebacker - a position for strong, quick players. And ones that can read the offense..

Wow, pretty good going. Does anyone know why he didn't pursue it professionally... was it due to injury?


The play Ben specifically mentions is South Pacific, in which there is a play within the play, or a musical within the play, and the men wear grass skirts and coconut bras. Ben laughs about having his football buddies having seen him in a coconut bra!..

LOL! That's brilliant... way to loose some cred Ben! I think he said they actually enjoyed it - for what reason though? Just to give him grief after? :D


I've also heard that Ben likes basketball. It may have been Duke that he liked?

Excuse my ignorance but is Duke a player or a team?


Also his family is involved in NASCAR and he enjoys the races. If you can call that a sport. Some redneck guys we met in a bar said that it stood for Non-Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks. :D His father's business sponsors a call and one of his brothers is the driver. I think they've dropped down a level because they weren't doing real well, so I don't know if it's still NASCAR or something else. Or if NASCAR has levels.

I did know about the NASCAR thing but he's said recently that his family are no longer own a NASCAR and were not involved in that form of racing. They are involved in ASA Racing - where Dan is Vice-President of Mark 111 Financial Group (his father's company) - and have car NO. 78 ...Ben is seen wearing their promotional T-shirt in the Behind Scenes special of The Peacekeeper Wars.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v679/Kas12/Misc/_061.jpg

He still enjoys going to see and following NASCAR racing though...

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Oops, back to Cameron... I'd love to see this incorporated into his storyline.


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PS:

Kas - the "footballing team"? Are you from the UK? I mostly hear that terminology from non-USA posters. Or maybe you're just not big into sports? Nothing wrong with any of that, it just struck me...

Yeppers... from the UK... I guess I should be saying SOCCOR team, right? :D

ShardsofGlass
August 16th, 2005, 01:44 PM
Interesting about the NASCAR stuff. I kind of wondered if his family was still involved in all that.

As far as football goes. In an interview on a late show a few years ago, he said he was quick but small, and that going pro was never an option. I also think he said professional football was too dangerous, but it might've just been a joke. Or maybe being too dangerous was partly the truth too!

BTW, did you know that CJ also played football in college? I dont' remember where he played but it was for a much larger school than Ben's and I think CJ went to a bowl game. Though I could be wrong. Now, he *looks* like a football player!

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Wow, pretty good going. Does anyone know why he didn't pursue it professionally... was it due to injury?
He probably wasn't pro caliber. Have you ever seen those guys? They are frelling HUGE!!! LOL. There are a lot more openings at the collegiate level than in the pros. Besides, I think the acting bug got him.


LOL! That's brilliant... way to loose some cred Ben! I think he said they actually enjoyed it - for what reason though? Just to give him grief after? :D

Yeah, I think he took a lot of good-natured ribbing. :D He seemed proud of getting a bunch of football players out to see the play, though!



Excuse my ignorance but is Duke a player or a team?
Duke is a college. I think they are the Duke Blue Devils.

Thanks for the NASCAR/notNASCAR update! I knew things had changed but didn't know the specifics. Nice pic!

greytop
August 16th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Excuse my ignorance but is Duke a player or a team?Duke is a university here in the US. They have a good basketball team that has won the NCAA Title.

ShardsofGlass, I believe that CJ played for Sanford.

Kes, Sanford is another university.

Sorry for those about the spelling for Sanford, I maybe wrong on it.

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 02:06 PM
As far as football goes. In an interview on a late show a few years ago, he said he was quick but small, and that going pro was never an option. I also think he said professional football was too dangerous, but it might've just been a joke. Or maybe being too dangerous was partly the truth too!!

Ben does look rather light compared to Pro US footballers, although that could be all that padding! Definitely looks dangerous, the little I've seen... I really like Rugby Union though.


BTW, did you know that CJ also played football in college? I dont' remember where he played but it was for a much larger school than Ben's and I think CJ went to a bowl game. Though I could be wrong. Now, he *looks* like a football player!

Didn't know that... interesting. I agree, that's what I imagine a US footballer to look like with height and build. Though I guess you could have quicker, less heavy people on the wings?? In Rugby Union, we have slighter, quicker guys on the wings.

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Yeppers... from the UK... I guess I should be saying SOCCOR team, right? :D
Haha. No, he played American football. Helmets, shoulder pads, the whole rigamorole. :D I love American football. Soccer, not so much! - But I think my nephews will be playing it when they grow up, because their father is a fanatic, so I'll learn to love it! At least, I'll love their games!

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 02:13 PM
Interesting about the NASCAR stuff. I kind of wondered if his family was still involved in all that.

As far as football goes. In an interview on a late show a few years ago, he said he was quick but small, and that going pro was never an option. I also think he said professional football was too dangerous, but it might've just been a joke. Or maybe being too dangerous was partly the truth too!

BTW, did you know that CJ also played football in college? I dont' remember where he played but it was for a much larger school than Ben's and I think CJ went to a bowl game. Though I could be wrong. Now, he *looks* like a football player!

Between working and the slowness of this forum right now, I feel like I'm in a timewarp. Sorry if my responses seem to ignore something someone else wrote.

I didn't know that CJ played football in college, but I had wondered. He definitely has the size factor over Ben. I wonder if they exchange stories? Does anybody know what college CJ played for?
eta: or I could have just read the next post...

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 02:23 PM
Ben does look rather light compared to Pro US footballers, although that could be all that padding! Definitely looks dangerous, the little I've seen... I really like Rugby Union though.

Didn't know that... interesting. I agree, that's what I imagine a US footballer to look like with height and build. Though I guess you could have quicker, less heavy people on the wings?? In Rugby Union, we have slighter, quicker guys on the wings.
There are lots and lots of colleges in the US playing at many levels, so many guys get to play college football. Ben is a solid guy, so at the level he played, he probably had the right build for a linebacker. I guess the quicker, less heavy guys would include the wide receivers and safeties. Sometimes the quarterback, too.

Enough of the football lesson! I love the sport, but I know it's boring to some people!

Kas
August 16th, 2005, 02:31 PM
Thanks guys for all the info... I've found it really interesting. I had wrote a longer post replying to various peeps but lost it when trying to post. That'll teach me to copy first :(

I see others are having problems with the posting too... it keeps slowing, and then just timed out altogether.

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I wonder if the idea of playing the card game in the foreground was adlibbed in or in the script at all?... wonderful bonding moment there for Mitchell and Teal'c.

ShardsofGlass
August 16th, 2005, 02:37 PM
There are lots and lots of colleges in the US playing at many levels, so many guys get to play college football. Ben is a solid guy, so at the level he played, he probably had the right build for a linebacker. I guess the quicker, less heavy guys would include the wide receivers and safeties. Sometimes the quarterback, too.

Enough of the football lesson! I love the sport, but I know it's boring to some people!

I'm not bored! In fact, I always kind of wondered which position Ben played and what kind of skills he would've needed for it. He mentioned he was quick, so I guess you have to be able to run fast to be a linebacker? Also, Ben is tall, but he's far from huge, so I'm guessing that you don't have to be big to be a linebacker? Or is it simply that Ben played at a smaller school that might not have the huge guys to play for them.

And if you don't mind me asking a million questions. Just what is a linebacker and what does he do?

ChillinTheMost
August 16th, 2005, 02:48 PM
I would expect a linebacker to be bigger than Ben if he played in a larger college and definitely larger in the pros. The linebacker plays defense behind the linemen. The linemen are the really big guys. They don't have to run much, but they should have quick reflexes and be able to stop anyone running with the ball past the line of scrimmage [where the ball starts on that play].

The linebackers are the second line of defense, i.e., the secondary. If the guy carrying the ball gets past the linemen, it is hoped that the secondary will take care of it. But, more importantly, the secondary is responsible for not allowing the other team to complete a short pass, or not to gain much yardage if they do. Also, the secondary does a lot of blitzing, so they have to know when is the best time for that and to cover for each other if one is blitzing. Blitzing is when the defense just runs hell-bent for the quarterback or whoever has the ball. It is decided before the ball is in play and it leaves your original coverage area open, so your teammates have to be quick enough to cover that area for you, plus their own, depending on where the ball goes.

The safeties play behind the linebackers. They are the last line of defense and pick up what gets past the linebackers and they guard against the longer passes.

I think I got that, I'm rushing because I'm off work! Seeya tomorrow!

Neelan_Liquor
August 16th, 2005, 08:11 PM
Very good, Chill! GREAT football lesson... and that's AMERICAN football, guys! :D NOT soccer... or what almost everyone else in the world calls football. I like the Aussie's version myself. ;)

I loved John Crichton's line is FS season one about linebackers. Aeryn asked him if there were no force on Earth as lethal and ruthless as Peacekeeper Commandos (Exodus from Genesis) and he said, Yeah, but they're called serial killers or linebackers. hehehe :D

Ben's only 6'3", and of pretty average build, and therefore pretty small for American football. Most guys his size in the pros are tight ends (ahhhhh, what an image!), quarter backs, or wide receivers... all offense. Most defensive players tend to be a bit bulkier... like Chris! :D

Now, Cameron? I could see him playing football for the Air Force Academy. :D

ShardsofGlass
August 16th, 2005, 08:47 PM
Ben's only 6'3", and of pretty average build, and therefore pretty small for American football. Most guys his size in the pros are tight ends (ahhhhh, what an image!), quarter backs, or wide receivers... all offense. Most defensive players tend to be a bit bulkier... like Chris! :D

Now, Cameron? I could see him playing football for the Air Force Academy. :D

Actually, Ben is 6'1", which is still pretty tall. If he wanted to play football, I'm sure he could bulk up and get more muscely if he wanted, but right now he's pretty slim.

BritAngie
August 17th, 2005, 01:54 AM
Just to add - Ben's brother Neil (who I think was their main driver) now works heaps up in Canada these days. Hence why in TwoBam's logs he mentioned Ben and hsi Brother visiting the set of Atlantis. Also Neil is as sweet and kind as Ben is. :D

Kas
August 17th, 2005, 02:29 AM
Just to add - Ben's brother Neil (who I think was their main driver) now works heaps up in Canada these days. Hence why in TwoBam's logs he mentioned Ben and hsi Brother visiting the set of Atlantis. Also Neil is as sweet and kind as Ben is. :D

You've met the brother as well Angie? Did he accompany him to some of the conventions? Must be great for him to be able to have frequent visitors to Vancouver... they probably didn't make it quite so often to Australia!

Actually, 6' 1" seems fairly average height nowadays... Even my son hit 6' (don't know where he got those genes!) and his mates (18-20yrs) all tower at 1 to 4 inches taller than he is... younger generations are certainly a lot taller.

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Now, Cameron? I could see him playing football for the Air Force Academy. :D

So could I. Cameron definitely looks like a very fit and active guy, both before the accident and now. He seems to be a 'team' kind of person, so team sports would probably appeal... and he's mentioned the Raiders, so I can quite see him as having played this particular game.

Hurley
August 17th, 2005, 05:11 AM
Some people, who have access to extensive spoilers for "Off the grid", think (it's more a deduction than a fact)Sam and Mitchell are going to share command.
A good or a bad thing?

Kas
August 17th, 2005, 05:27 AM
Some people, who have access to extensive spoilers for "Off the grid", think (it's more a deduction than a fact)Sam and Mitchell are going to share command.
A good or a bad thing?

Hmmm, can't quite see it. Doesn't really fit in with their sticking to military protocol and I would think would be very bad for a 4-man unit. You need someone totally in charge... they may listen to advice but would make the final decision. I think there is no doubt that this is Mitchell's team... he has spent all this time getting the team he wants back together... he could have chosen other candidates that would have formed SG-1 but this is what he wanted. They are not just going to take that away from him. I see various episodes where they are deliberately splitting the units and believe that this is why they seemingly keep partnering Mitchell with either Teal'c or Daniel and Sam with either Teal'c, Daniel or back on base... Obviously, they will then both have command of that particular mission as the military person... but as to overall command of SG-1... it's Mitchell!

Neelan_Liquor
August 17th, 2005, 09:53 AM
...Doesn't really fit in with their sticking to military protocol and I would think would be very bad for a 4-man unit. ... I see various episodes where they are deliberately splitting the units and believe that this is why they seemingly keep partnering Mitchell with either Teal'c or Daniel and Sam with either Teal'c, Daniel or back on base... Obviously, they will then both have command of that particular mission as the military person... but as to overall command of SG-1... it's Mitchell!

I have to agree with Kas, here. Definately! Guess we'll see in two more days. ;)

Oh, and I did ask JM straight out about Cameron's leadership... cross your fingers that he'll answer. :D

Hurley
August 17th, 2005, 10:50 AM
I have to agree with Kas, here. Definately! Guess we'll see in two more days. ;)
I hope you 're both right. But see this thread on the FORUM (S9 spoilers : Off the Grid) on : http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/

And during the comic con convention, about this subject, a Scifi VP, said that all the fans will be happy. Do you think the Carter fans will be happy with Mitchell in charge of SG1?


Oh, and I did ask JM straight out about Cameron's leadership... cross your fingers that he'll answer.
Very good question, Neelan Liquor! ;)

Kas
August 17th, 2005, 11:54 AM
I hope you 're both right. But see this thread (S9 spoilers : Off the Grid) on : http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/
And during the comic con convention, about this subject, a Scifi VP, said that all the fans will be happy. Do you think the Carter fans will be happy with Mitchell in charge of SG1?


I can't really see anything in their spoilers that indicate Mitchell isn't the leader here... in fact, given that he has elected to take himself undercover, I assume he is.

As for the Con, when a VP is approached they are bound to say anything. Of course, it depends how it is written and to what explanation they give. I think this is when we learn about her commitment to Cassie and her needing to spend time with her. Could be they think that will satisfy Sam fans as it negates the callousness she displayed for Cassie earlier that so many hated. ... Perhaps, she remains head of R & D ... anything. Amanda also said in interview that 'they become SG-1 during Deux-Ex Machina when Mitchell says something really sweet' (whatever that means? - presumably about how much he wanted to work with the best and have her on his team)... I honestly don't see why Sam should come in (from voluntarily leaving) and assume command... leaving Cameron Mitchell with nothing to do. Besides, judging by his uniform patches, he outranks her as he was already a Lt Col during the flashbacks at the Lost City Battle.

Every Sci-Fi magazine coverage over here (UK) that I've seen... SFX, Dreamwatch, TV Zone... you name it, has Mitchell as the Leader of SG-1.

Hurley
August 17th, 2005, 12:08 PM
I can't really see anything in their spoilers that indicate Mitchell isn't the leader here... in fact, given that he has elected to take himself undercover, I assume he is.
I was talking about the spoilers indicated in the forum and not in the news. (they have access to several pages of the script).

ChillinTheMost
August 17th, 2005, 12:10 PM
I don't see anything in the write up or spoilers that says that anybody is in charge other than the guy that is in charge of the ship that rescues them. Maybe it was there and they removed it because it wasn't confirmed, and therefore, just somebody's guess [or hope] and/or totally false.

Also, like Kas mentioned about the con, anytime someone says that "the fans will be happy", you have to take it with a grain of salt. A large grain of salt. With a side of margarita. TPTB think Vala is a huge success and everybody loves her. While I think she is generally popular, there is a substantial faction that don't like her at all. They also said a "beloved" character will return. Beloved to whom? Them, most likely. Somebody that is popular on the set is not necessarily popular with the fans, or at least, not as popular.

So, "the fans will be happy" because ...they like the final choice? or because they are going to frame an unpopular choice in a way that they think the fans will accept? I think that Mitchell is going to be the leader, but apparently he is going to say something "sweet" like, "I really wanted to learn under your command, Sam" and Sam is going to say, "I think you'll make a great leader and I can concentrate on my tech stuff." TPTB think this will mollify those that are angry that Sam is getting the command taken away from her, but bottom line is that some will still be angry because Amanda, if not Sam, has earned it. I'm not debating that point here, I'm just saying that just because TPTB say the fans will be happy, well, doesn't really mean anything. Except that they tried to appease.

ChillinTheMost
August 17th, 2005, 12:14 PM
I was talking about the spoilers indicated in the forum and not in the news. (they have access to several pages of the script).

You posted this while I was typing my lengthy reply. :p I'd like to see the exact wording of the script. As we know, interpretations are varied. It could also be that Landry says that Mitchell is the leader, but Mitchell's "very sweet statement" could be that he tells Sam that he sees her as a co-leader. So, it wouldn't be official, just Mitchell wanting to work with Sam as equals.

Or I could be completely wrong.

Kas
August 17th, 2005, 12:18 PM
I was talking about the spoilers indicated in the forum and not in the news. (they have access to several pages of the script).

Ok, I found where you meant now :)

I have to say that I agree with the posters there. I would find it to be a total cop-out and bad planning if they don't make a firm commitment as to who is leading out in the field. I have not heard of any instances where military missions do not have a well-defined leader in command. I truly hope that they don't try and go that route, which would go against trying to keep to any military protocol.

Of course, there are always loads of missing pages from the sides and the comment that they quote about agreeing upon a certain action does not point to Mitchell not leading either. There have been plenty of times in the past when Carter has disagreed with Jack and he has deferred although obviously leader or else they agree upon a course of action... however, final decision comes down to the commander.

Sorry, that's rather long-winded :) Basically, I think the comment can be interpreted all sorts of ways and it doesn't really have to suggest there is joint command.

ShardsofGlass
August 17th, 2005, 12:24 PM
I agree with those who don't think there will be a shared command. However, I could see Cam and Sam discussing something and coming to a silent agreement. But then Mitchell would still be in charge, imo.

My main concern right now is that I want to see Mitchell have some significant screen time, and I don't think we should have to wait until Babylon for it! Mitchell is a significant character, and it's time to let him be in charge for real and to let him lead. I feel like Ben has these chains around him. There are moments where it seems like he's going to break out and show us his stuff, but then he stops himself, and it's very frustrating to watch. Does anyone else see that?

Kas
August 17th, 2005, 12:46 PM
There are moments where it seems like he's going to break out and show us his stuff, but then he stops himself, and it's very frustrating to watch. Does anyone else see that?

I can't honestly say that I see that Shards. I feel Ben has done very well with what he's been given to do. It's just not been of real 'driving the storyline forward' stuff yet. That's been Daniel and Vala's job. Ben has managed to bring little quirks and nuances to the character, but even he keeps saying that he's not sure about where he's taking the character yet and that's in interview during filming 'Powers that Be' and 'Beachead'. I think, like the rest of us, Ben will be happy to get more screentime and development so that he can really come to grips with the character and get some meat onto the barebones.


As he said in Dreamwatch 131.

Browder refuses to divulge how his character is introduced, whether it ruffles any SG-team feathers, or how prominently he will be featured.
"There's a legitimate concern about not stuffing my character down the audience's throat" he reveals, "There are a lot of changes on the show that don't have anything to do with me. We're adding Beau Bridges and RDA is not around."

So, it's definitely been the plan of TPTB to hold back on Ben from the word go. It must be frustrating but he was aware of how this would play out from the beginning and it won't be long now before we see Cameron Mitchell in real action - Hopefully!

Hurley
August 17th, 2005, 12:47 PM
Ok, I found where you meant now :)
Sorry for the confusion. :S The direct link to the forum didn't work.


I have to say that I agree with the posters there. I would find it to be a total cop-out and bad planning if they don't make a firm commitment as to who is leading out in the field. I have not heard of any instances where military missions do not have a well-defined leader in command. I truly hope that they don't try and go that route, which would go against trying to keep to any military protocol.
I agree too. And I don't want to see Mitchell suffering from the "Ford syndrome" ( if you have watched the season 1 of SGA, you know what I mean).

ChillinTheMost
August 17th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Ok, I found where you meant now :)
...Sorry, that's rather long-winded :) Basically, I think the comment can be interpreted all sorts of ways and it doesn't really have to suggest there is joint command. Could somebody give me the exact quote and who says it? I can't find it. Thanks.

ChillinTheMost
August 17th, 2005, 12:55 PM
...My main concern right now is that I want to see Mitchell have some significant screen time, and I don't think we should have to wait until Babylon for it! Mitchell is a significant character, and it's time to let him be in charge for real and to let him lead. I feel like Ben has these chains around him. There are moments where it seems like he's going to break out and show us his stuff, but then he stops himself, and it's very frustrating to watch. Does anyone else see that?
I definitely want Mitchell to have more screen time. All Mitchell, All the time!

I understand why they are slowing integrating him into the mix and if it works and it means more Stargate [with Ben] in the future, then I agree with it, but I really want to see more Ben.

Kas
August 17th, 2005, 01:06 PM
Chillin, it's comments in the forum from people who have access to further pages of sides:



I have to say having read more extensive spoilers that it's not real clear who is in charge of SG-1. At one point Carter and Mitchell stop to agree on something before they go through with it. This worries me. There's no way a military unit would have any ambiguity about leadership. And of course I don't want it to be Sam in charge in any way. I hope I'm reading too much into it...
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I noticed that, too. And, it certainly seems like a major cop-out if they are truly sharing command. Blah!

But, that particular scene leads me to believe that Carter was in charge of the second mission after they escaped from the planet. It was a technical mission, if you know what I mean. So, maybe Mitchell deferred to her because she was in charge of doing the tech stuff. But, that "Carter and Mitchell exchange a look" and "both agree in a moment" scene is definitely bothersome. And Carter's, "SG-1 out" with Mitchell right there does look suspicious. But, he is giving her cover fire, along with Daniel and Teal'c, while she does her technical thing.

I honestly believe all this to be open to interpretation as always though. I agree though, I don't want them nodding and agreeing all the time... definitely need a definitive leader in Mitchell.

ChillinTheMost
August 17th, 2005, 01:45 PM
Frankly, I don't think this even qualifies as a spoiler because it seems status-quo for any team that works together, but, I'll spoiler it...

I'm not sure "They stop and agree on something before going through with it" is even a spoiler, much less indication that they have co-leadership. O'Neill would ask for the input of the team many times. I expect there will be much stopping and agreeing with all members and it doesn't mean that they are having quad-leadership. Seriously, that's what they're getting worked up over?

I'm not saying it won't happen, although I don't think it will, but I have yet to read one thing that can be even remotely translated to mean it will happen.

As for saying, "SG-1 out" what else is she going to say? "Carter out" I suppose, but for some reason she was the one communicating with the base or whoever, so why should Mitchell have to chime in his "SG-1 out". As for why she was the one communicating, maybe she had to explain something technically and instead of relaying through Mitchell, she talked directly to whoever. It would be silly to do otherwise. Especially if, as mentioned, he was laying down cover fire.

Would this be the first time Carter, or anyone, contacted the base directly? Of course not. It would be silly for everyone to have to tell O'Neill or Mitchell, "Hey, call base and tell them that the froonium fictum has indirectly cauterized the hizinna coil while the..."

I'm sorry for the rant, but it drives me crazy when somebody interprets a totally inoccuous statement into something to rile up the fans. This is not against you, Hurley, you're just asking opinions, but to those that started this ruckus.

Chillin out.

Hey! That means I'm in command! WooHoo!

Neelan_Liquor
August 17th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Not to mention the fact that Ben's been trying like hell to give away lines! :S

I think Mitchell will be in command, but he'll be deferring to the others in their areas of expertise when necessary. That's it.

And people who start conflicts for the pleasure of seeing people IN conflict bother me, too, Chillin. *high fives Chillin*

greytop
August 17th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Not to mention the fact that Ben's been trying like hell to give away lines! :S

I think Mitchell will be in command, but he'll be deferring to the others in their areas of expertise when necessary. That's it.

And people who start conflicts for the pleasure of seeing people IN conflict bother me, too, Chillin. *high fives Chillin*Ditto. As in Avalon, Pt. 1, Cameron is leader of SG-1. He wants the old team back and that's what he'll get. He lucky in that respect. A lot of teams, in RL, you don't get to pick your own team.

Hurley
August 17th, 2005, 03:02 PM
Frankly, I don't think this even qualifies as a spoiler because it seems status-quo for any team that works together, but, I'll spoiler it...

I'm not sure "They stop and agree on something before going through with it" is even a spoiler, much less indication that they have co-leadership. O'Neill would ask for the input of the team many times. I expect there will be much stopping and agreeing with all members and it doesn't mean that they are having quad-leadership. Seriously, that's what they're getting worked up over?

I'm not saying it won't happen, although I don't think it will, but I have yet to read one thing that can be even remotely translated to mean it will happen.

As for saying, "SG-1 out" what else is she going to say? "Carter out" I suppose, but for some reason she was the one communicating with the base or whoever, so why should Mitchell have to chime in his "SG-1 out". As for why she was the one communicating, maybe she had to explain something technically and instead of relaying through Mitchell, she talked directly to whoever. It would be silly to do otherwise. Especially if, as mentioned, he was laying down cover fire.

Would this be the first time Carter, or anyone, contacted the base directly? Of course not. It would be silly for everyone to have to tell O'Neill or Mitchell, "Hey, call base and tell them that the froonium fictum has indirectly cauterized the hizinna coil while the..."

I'm sorry for the rant, but it drives me crazy when somebody interprets a totally inoccuous statement into something to rile up the fans. This is not against you, Hurley, you're just asking opinions, but to those that started this ruckus.

No offense taken, Chillin ! I believe that I just wanted to be reassured and you do a fine job. ;) But you know, I don't think these guys want to "start a ruckus" because on this particular forum, everyone is on the same side : they are all crazy about Daniel, so they don't like Carter (I don't really understand why but it's like that) and don't want to see her in charge of SG1.
Another spoiler from "Off the grid" . A more comforting one : Carter and Teal'c are about to get killed before Daniel and Mitchell's eyes. The mercenaries intend to take Mitchell so he can witness the death of his team. Mitchell shows some desperation when the two men point their weapons at Carter and Teal'c when they've decided to kill them. Mitchell has pleaded with them to take only him and release the rest of the team. When he see that Carter and Teal'c are about to be killed, Mitchell yells at the captors to delay it.
In this scene, I think Mitchell really act like the team leader.

ChillinTheMost
August 18th, 2005, 05:18 AM
...But you know, I don't think these guys want to "start a ruckus" because on this particular forum, everyone is on the same side ...
I hope you're right, because it is just so petty otherwise. If you're right, then my apologies to them. Maybe, like you, they just wanted someone to contradict what they were thinking so they could be reassured. No harm in that.

As to your new spoiler: I can't wait to see this. Ben can do angst like nobody's business. [If they play it that way.]

Kas
August 18th, 2005, 08:03 AM
As to your new spoiler: I can't wait to see this. Ben can do angst like nobody's business. [If they play it that way]

He sure can and I'm liking the sound of that spoiler too Hurley. I really hope they let Ben have full reign to do the scene how he desires here. His acting choices have always been so right. Unfortunately we have to wait until around MARCH?!? as it's the last quarter of the season and we get that annoying 3-4 month break!

Hurley
August 18th, 2005, 08:44 AM
I hope you're right, because it is just so petty otherwise. If you're right, then my apologies to them. Maybe, like you, they just wanted someone to contradict what they were thinking so they could be reassured. No harm in that.
I understand your reaction. I don't post in a thread like "Mitchell should outrank Carter" just because I have the feeling that some people (not in most cases, fortunately) answer to another poster like if this guy had eaten their dog. :eek:


As to your new spoiler: I can't wait to see this. Ben can do angst like nobody's business. [If they play it that way.]
Yeah, I agree with you and Kas on this ! ;)


ANOTHER SUBJECT :
In an interview (Cult Times), Michael Shanks said :"Mitchell and Daniel have been carrying different storyline as the year's progressed".
What storyline for Mitchell? I was thinking about the Jaffa rebellion (the Sodan warriors) because of the Babylon spoilers. What do you think?

ChillinTheMost
August 18th, 2005, 10:19 AM
ANOTHER SUBJECT :
In an interview (Cult Times), Michael Shanks said :"Mitchell and Daniel have been carrying different storyline as the year's progressed".
What storyline for Mitchell? I was thinking about the Jaffa rebellion (the Sodan warriors) because of the Babylon spoilers. What do you think?
It's definitely a possibility, but I'm not sure I want that. I just don't find the storyline that intriguing. Like Mitchell said, politics suck everywhere. In order for it not to bore me, they have to not delve it into that much, and that means less Mitchell. --And we know that I don't want that!

I'm hoping the "different" storyline is that Daniel is going to try to talk sense into people the Priors are visiting, while Mitchell will be looking for ways to beat the Orii. Sort of same storyline, but a little different? I might be pushing it, but I'd prefer that.

The upside of Mitchell with the Jaffa storyline? I love the way he works with Teal'c! I know they've had hardly any interaction, but what's been there has been golden! Did Teal'c already know how to play War, or did Mitchell teach him, ya think?

Of course, the perfect solution? Mitchell in both storylines. Mitchell in ALL storylines. :cool:

ChillinTheMost
August 18th, 2005, 12:45 PM
Chronicling Mitchell:

905 – The Powers That Be

Tangibles:

Costume change: Sort of. When Mitchell is sick, he is stripped down to a black tank top.

Intangibles:

The opening scene: How I read this scene is that Mitchell must have been given the authority to decide the order of the planets to visit or to propose how to handle the Orii problem. He is reading a file about what planets the Priors have contacted [a duplicate of the file Vala brings in] when Vala’s interference gave him a starting point.

Boredom release: Playing card game “War” with Teal’c.

Leadership: Mitchell admits when he needs help. When many villagers fall sick, Mitchell tells SGC that they need backup.

Leadership: While Mitchell has kept it low key, the others know that he is in command:
Mitchell radios Daniel: “Jackson, we’ve got a problem, here.”
Daniel: “Give me a minute.”
Mitchell: “Now, please.” Daniel sighs and goes.
Mitchell doesn’t pull rank needlessly, so Daniel knows it must be something important. Nice interaction that says a lot, especially since Daniel isn’t officially a part of the team, so it shows respect.

While Mitchell is the only one on the SG-1 team to fall ill, there are indications that he continues to work until he drops. After he feels better, the first thing he wants is to be briefed. “Hey, what did I miss?”

Quotes:

“…we do not want to get into a god-off.”

Local: “You want to hold a Mal Duran.”
Mitchell: “Ain’t that her name?”
Later:
Vala: “I like my plan better.”
Mitchell: “It kind of is your plan. It’s named after you.”


Wow, for an episode that I felt had a fair amount of Eye-Candy Mitchell, he really didn't do much.
Oh, well, sitting around and looking pretty is nice, too. :p

Kas
August 18th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Thanks Chillin... once again can I just say I really love reading your synopsis.


The opening scene: How I read this scene is that Mitchell must have been given the authority to decide the order of the planets to visit or to propose how to handle the Orii problem. He is reading a file about what planets the Priors have contacted [a duplicate of the file Vala brings in] when Vala’s interference gave him a starting point.

I really, really liked the whole opening scene... once again the chemistry between the actors leaps off the screen but I must stress that I only see these characters, Mitchell and Vala... a testament to the actors bringing the new characters to life.

So, so funny that Mitchell immediately realises that this planet was so obviously in danger from the Ori if they'd trusted Vala :D ... They'd so easily fall for the persuasions of the Ori then. Really like the quickness of Cameron.



Leadership: Mitchell admits when he needs help. When many villagers fall sick, Mitchell tells SGC that they need backup.

Leadership: While Mitchell has kept it low key, the others know that he is in command:
Mitchell radios Daniel: “Jackson, we’ve got a problem, here.”
Daniel: “Give me a minute.”
Mitchell: “Now, please.” Daniel sighs and goes.
Mitchell doesn’t pull rank needlessly, so Daniel knows it must be something important. Nice interaction that says a lot, especially since Daniel isn’t officially a part of the team, so it shows respect.

Liked all the subtle indications of the leading abilities that CM has. As you say, it has been kept low-key but when it comes down to the decisions, Mitchell is right there and commands instant obedience and respect. Very nice interaction. And, I really like the acknowledging of needing back-up so quickly... a real leader with no false pride.


Costume change: Sort of. When Mitchell is sick, he is stripped down to a black tank top.

Hmmm, they can strip him down to the black vests anytime. No complaints here :p :D

greytop
August 18th, 2005, 01:30 PM
Hmmm, they can strip him down to the black vests anytime. No complaints here :p :DSame here. Ooooops. wrong thread. thoughts belong in another thread. ;)

ChillinTheMost
August 19th, 2005, 07:20 AM
Tonight, hopefully, we'll get to see the start of the interaction between Mitchell and Samantha! Yeah, we had a little in the season premiere, but I'm hoping for more here.

--yeah, not a very deep post, but this thread was at the bottom of page 2 and nobody makes Baby sit in the corner!

Kas
August 19th, 2005, 08:40 AM
I agree though Chillin... I really want to see this interaction as they seem good friends. We've seen him building gradually towards a respectful relationship with Teal'c and Daniel... and now I want to see him react with Sam, whom he knows already. However, I really, really want him to eventually establish a real friendship with the others although I understand it may take most of this season as I heard that Michael said at a con that this season was about TEAM as well as the fight against the Ori.

It'll be around Sat Evening before I eventually get to watch though ;)

ShardsofGlass
August 19th, 2005, 10:41 AM
I'm curious to see what his relationship with Sam is too. And I'd like to see the focus of the show change from Daniel/Vala to something else, ideally a team focus with Mitchell as a strong leader. Well, actually, ideally, it would be all Mitchell all the time, but I have a feeling that's not going to happen. :)

Hey, does anyone remember that basketball game they were filming in that Inside Scifi Friday special? Do you think that'll be in this ep? Or was that something they were doing for fun and not part of a real ep?

Kas
August 19th, 2005, 01:09 PM
I think it may be in this episode Shards... (at least I'm really hoping to see it there) I'm sure it'd be something that Landry may suggest as he's into Basketball. Be a good bonding experience.

greytop
August 19th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Just finished watching 'Beachhead." We found out what Cameron call sign is. It's Stalker. :)

ShardsofGlass
August 19th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Just finished watching 'Beachhead." We found out what Cameron call sign is. It's Stalker. :)

Stalker? No, it's Shaft, as in Camshaft. Kind of lame, but cute. :p

greytop
August 19th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Stalker? No, it's Shaft, as in Camshaft. Kind of lame, but cute. :pI just rewatched the tape I made and noticed my mistake. I was going to correct myself but you beat me to it, ShardsofGlass. ;)

Kas
August 20th, 2005, 01:54 AM
Uh Oh, I can just see all the jokes and Shaft pics coming now! :D Trying to keep the non-PG thoughts for the THUNK thread. ;)

Back later when I have had a chance to view the eppy and hopefully can make a contribution.

How was the interaction between Mitchell and Daniel, Teal'c and Sam? Did we learn anymore character quirks?

Kas
August 20th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Well, I'm about to watch the eppy at last :)

I have just seen the Basketball match... loved it! :D Poor Cameron, every time he passed Teal'c the Jaffa kept knocking him off balance...then he'd lift his team member up to score... the big cheat! LOL!

Yep, Teal'c and Mitchell are going to end up best of friends. They are all really bonding here... I notice how Mitchell is still snapping right to attention even in an off-duty sort of capacity. I'm not sure he has to, does he?... I wonder if he'll ever loosen from the rigid military breeding?

Cathain Nottingham
August 20th, 2005, 12:35 PM
Well, I'm about to watch the eppy at last :)

I have just seen the Basketball match... loved it! :D Poor Cameron, every time he passed Teal'c the Jaffa kept knocking him off balance...then he'd lift his team member up to score... the big cheat! LOL!

Yep, Teal'c and Mitchell are going to end up best of friends. They are all really bonding here... I notice how Mitchell is still snapping right to attention even in an off-duty sort of capacity. I'm not sure he has to, does he?... I wonder if he'll ever loosen from the rigid military breeding?

I agree about Teal'c, first the cards, now baskeball...:D

greytop
August 20th, 2005, 02:26 PM
I believe that Teal'c and Cam will bond more in the episode, Babylon. (Two weeks from last night.) I am wondering if humans can become honorary Jaffa.

EDIT: Babylon will be shown on 9/05 in three weeks instead of two weeks. Reason: A holiday weekend (US).

Kas
August 21st, 2005, 02:58 AM
The little I've allowed myself to read, I'm so looking forward to Babylon... in fact, this is the first season in ages that I am excited about... the always looking forward to the next episode and not wanting to miss it feeling.

Tonight, I loved the feeling of team (except for poor Vala... made to feel her opinions suddenly don't feature as she's not military! :( )... but everyone on the team, connected with the mission had their expertise acknowledged and deferred to... Loved that Mitchell was recognised by all as the overall Mission Leader and came to make the decisions... As Carter said at one point, after giving the techno side, "It's your call". And so, it was. :)

I really liked how Mitchell was reading all he could before climbing into the spacesuit... he was poured all over the nuke and given his thirst for knowledge, I believe it to be a manual covering all things about the Mk 9.

:D "wanting to have a nuke-free career" - this could also have been a shout-out to Ben's previous show LOL! What is it with Ben & nuclear weapons?

Loved the giving of "30 earth minutes" after having sat-in and listened to Daniel's expositions... and for once he was done in seconds! :)

ChillinTheMost
August 22nd, 2005, 04:54 AM
Well, I'm about to watch the eppy at last :)

I have just seen the Basketball match... loved it! :D Poor Cameron, every time he passed Teal'c the Jaffa kept knocking him off balance...then he'd lift his team member up to score... the big cheat! LOL!

Yep, Teal'c and Mitchell are going to end up best of friends. They are all really bonding here... I notice how Mitchell is still snapping right to attention even in an off-duty sort of capacity. I'm not sure he has to, does he?... I wonder if he'll ever loosen from the rigid military breeding?

During the basketball scene, I realize [think?] that it was supposed to look like Teal'c knocked him down and ruined that last shot, but it just looked like Mitchell was trying a weird pass that failed miserably. I'm not sure what happened there, it looked like Teal'c barely touched him, if at all. I replayed it a few times to see if maybe Mitchell stopped his lay-up because he saw Landry walk into the room, but I'm sure regulations allow him to finish his lay-up before he snaps to attention. :p Anyway, I'm not sure they achieved whatever it was they were going for in that lay-up. I actually thought he looked like he wasn't totally rehabilitated from the crash and his legs gave out or something. The rest was good. "You need a new wingman." haha.

But about Mitchell and Teal'c - Wow, more comparisons to FarScape! I hope his relationship with Teal'c becomes the buddy-buddy relationship it was with D'Argo. When he starts calling Teal'c, Big T, I'll fall off my sofa laughing. :p This really has me excited! I hope they develop it well!

Oh, by the way, THIRD PAGE, PEOPLE!
Obviously, there is a lot of love on this board, but... THIRD PAGE!!! :p

Kas
August 22nd, 2005, 06:31 AM
Hi Chillin... missed you here :)

I thought that it was meant to be a 'friendly' workout and that Teal'c and Vala were just having a little fun making sure that the boys were beaten at their own game...:D

Teal'c definitely pushed Mitchell both times... I guess that he couldn't really push the actor too hard but then again, you make an excellent point about the fact that perhaps Mitchell isn't absolutely fully recovered and perhaps his balance is effected still... a teensy bit still unsteady? Considering that he wasn't ever expected to walk again, he's come a long way but it would be interesting to see that he still has some little way to go and to see this incorporated into his initial storyline.

Need to know more about Mitchell... NOW! LOL!
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But about Mitchell and Teal'c - Wow, more comparisons to FarScape! I hope his relationship with Teal'c becomes the buddy-buddy relationship it was with D'Argo. When he starts calling Teal'c, Big T, I'll fall off my sofa laughing. :p This really has me excited! I hope they develop it well!

LOL! .... Big T, that'd be the ultimate! ;) I really want to see real team/Mitchell bonding character moments.


Oh, by the way, THIRD PAGE, PEOPLE!
Obviously, there is a lot of love on this board, but... THIRD PAGE!!! :p

Yeppers, C'mon Mitchell lovers... join us. :)

lt. Matt Baker
August 22nd, 2005, 10:38 AM
Loving Mitchell so far. But hey he is a pilot which is a huge plus. Looking forward to more of him in the coming episodes.

Kas
August 22nd, 2005, 11:57 AM
Loving Mitchell so far. But hey he is a pilot which is a huge plus. Looking forward to more of him in the coming episodes.

Hi Matt,

I agree and now that O'Neill has got him back in the saddle by taking him up in the fighter plane (wise move there, as he might have felt some residual fear), I hope to see that skill find some use, especially with the potential Air Armada threat from the Ori and the new aircraft available to the SGC.

Hurley
August 23rd, 2005, 05:09 AM
Page 3 : :eek: not good!
I've just watched Beachhead (difficult to obtain this episode, my computer seems to have his own life and don't care about what I want!).
I like this episode but I have mixed feelings about Mitchell. He was more in charge, a little more screen time, some good lines and some enjoyable scenes (I love basketball ! :D ) But I've always the feeling that the writers take a defensive stance with the character.

ChillinTheMost
August 23rd, 2005, 08:12 AM
If by "defensive", you mean that they are afraid to put him out there in front of the group leading, I agree with you. I partially blame the early media blitz that focused on Ben and pissed off a bunch of fans. I can understand how they feel, though, because they were making it look like Ben was going to save this crumbling series. Problem was, the series wasn't crumbling and Ben is only as good as the scripts [so that even if they were that bad last year, adding Ben wouldn't have been a cure-all]. The show didn't need fixing, but they made it sound that way, instead of just focusing on the new and returniing actors.

Now it almost seems like they are backpeddling so fast [as far as Ben/Mitchell] is concerned that they are afraid to have him to anything. I think that, and the fact that they are so enamored of Vala, has kept Mitchell in the background. [I loved Vala, but it turned into the Vala Show for six weeks.]

Hopefully, things will settle down now and more emphasis can be put on the TEAM and Mitchell will get his fair share of screen time and character exposition.

Not that I'd complain if Mitchell got a bit more than his fair share. He can have Landry's time. And the doc's. And those guys that run in with their guns pointed whenever there is "Unscheduled Offworld Activation!" :p

Kas
August 23rd, 2005, 10:17 AM
This is an excert of the Mazzolli & Gero interview in the Official Stargate Mag #6 - words by Darren Summer of this site. (Full article at Terra Firma Site: http://terrafirmascapers.com/index.php?topic=3074.0 )

I've just included the Words concerning Cameron Mitchell and just have to say that I find this whole thing quite alarming!


Gero: It's funny ... I remember when we were breaking Ties That Bind. We had buried Mitchell's character to reduce his days. Rob [Cooper] came in and looked over the board and was like, "You know, we don't have to write around him. We can use him in every scene if we want to." Oh, yeah! How wonderful is that! That definitely is freeing.

Mallozzi: On the other hand, I know he is the hero. I wouldn't think he's a replacement for Rick, but I mean he is the team leader at least for the first couple of episodes. But I still think the show is more about the team than a lead.

Gero: More than the sum of its parts.

Mallozzi: I guess what I'm tying to say is that I don't want the fans or anyone else to think that it's going to be the same old 'Cameron Mitchell Show.' We're always going to try to include all four of team members in any episode.


It seems to me that Mallozzi has been hanging out online a little too much. This is proof that they have been over cautious in their approach... No-one expects the story to be all about Cameron Mitchell but to virtually admit that they've been inclined to shove his character in the background is not good. I had hoped that while respecting fans that they wouldn't let a few dictate the storylines. I wonder how Mallozzi & Co are responding to reading that so many want to see Cameron Mitchell as a character...want him to have time and character development and expect him to have a fair amount of screentime as the new lead?

As to forgetting about having Ben there when breaking the 4th episode and how they don't need to write around the character tends to suggest that they really don't know what to do with the character or how to write him... what a waste of the talent they had available! I'm really hoping that they've got their act together now... Mitchell, with Ben as his player, has fantastic potential to be another military presence and hero, just write him as such - and stop walking on eggshells guys! The show was never just ONE man (good though RDA was) - get over it already. People do respond to well-written characters.

OK... rant over! :D This interview just annoyed me somewhat... I really want to see Cameron Mitchell expand and Ben really getting some meaty chances in a show he likes!

Hurley
August 23rd, 2005, 12:23 PM
It seems to me that Mallozzi has been hanging out online a little too much. This is proof that they have been over cautious in their approach...
And when you know that online fandom is less than 1% of the total viewers...


As to forgetting about having Ben there when breaking the 4th episode and how they don't need to write around the character tends to suggest that they really don't know what to do with the character or how to write him....
It's quite distressing! My only hope is that, maybe, they were just kidding.


Malozzi : He (Mitchell) is the team leader at least for the first couple episodes"
Mitchell wasn't the team leader, there was no team! He was the SG-Me leader, that means that he had nothing to do, except to get up from bed and to go to the SGC. Very interesting! Thanks, TPTB!

Kas
August 23rd, 2005, 01:41 PM
Going back to Mitchell's call sign of 'Shaft'... did you see the real look of mischief that Claude as Vala gave Ben? Just after saying to Carter that his explanation connected to Camshaft of an engine was disappointing? :D I couldn't help but laugh. Cute moment!

I also liked the way that Carter and Vala shared a moment here - girls together contemplating ;) . You know, I actually believe that they could actually have been friends - opposites attract sort of friendship. I would have loved to see more interaction between those two over a period of time.

So, I see that Col. Pendergast makes a point of calling Mitchell by his call sign still. Is that the norm?

RikTikTavi
August 23rd, 2005, 06:08 PM
Greetings! I am new to Gateworld.net and this forum. I have been reading posts for about 15 minutes now. I am really enjoying the actual talk about Mitchell's character and not just how hot he is (and make no mistake, he is hot). I can't wait to get a little more information on just what it is that makes this guy tick! I think Ben Browder is at his best when he is acting for highly emotional situations.

Well, that's all for now. Great forum!

greytop
August 23rd, 2005, 06:43 PM
Greetings! I am new to Gateworld.net and this forum. I have been reading posts for about 15 minutes now. I am rally enjoying the actual talk about Mitchell's character and not just how hot he is (and make no mistake, he is hot). I can't wait to get a little more information on just what it is that makes this guy tick! I think Ben Browder is at his best when he is acting for highly emotional situations.

Well, that's all for now. Great forum!Welcome to the thread, Rik Tik Tavi. The forum does have a CM/BB Thunk Thread (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=6831&page=1&pp=20). Hope to see you there also.

Kas
August 23rd, 2005, 08:51 PM
Welcome to the Forum Boards RikTikTavi *waves* ... I hope that you come and join us in discussion of Ben and Mitchell often :)


I think Ben Browder is at his best when he is acting for highly emotional situations.

He can certainly do the drama and angst very well and I'm hoping he'll get a real chance to do so very soon.

Seeing this character grow and emerge from nothing has been so very enjoyable.

ChillinTheMost
August 24th, 2005, 06:10 AM
Greetings! I am new to Gateworld.net and this forum. I have been reading posts for about 15 minutes now. I am really enjoying the actual talk about Mitchell's character and not just how hot he is (and make no mistake, he is hot). I can't wait to get a little more information on just what it is that makes this guy tick! I think Ben Browder is at his best when he is acting for highly emotional situations.

Well, that's all for now. Great forum!

Welcome and I totally agree! You can't imagine how excited I was to find this thread. There is so much behind the man that I'd rather discuss him than just look at pictures. Not that I don't visit that thread often, :p but I prefer this one. It just doesn't move as fast. And I don't really have anything to offer in the picture thread other than sighing over the pretty pictures. :cool:

Anyway, jump right in and enjoy the conversation! If you have any particular Mitchell topic you want to discuss, we're open to it here. Whether it's something that happened on the show, something you want to happen, or, well, anything!

ChillinTheMost
August 24th, 2005, 06:13 AM
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I am really waiting for a teeny, tiny Mitchell face to click on.

Maybe if we took the glasses off of Daniel?

Cathain Nottingham
August 24th, 2005, 08:25 AM
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I am really waiting for a teeny, tiny Mitchell face to click on.

Maybe if we took the glasses off of Daniel?

No I agree, in the fan fiction section there isn't even a "Cameron Mitchell" character to click on in case you write a Cam story.

Kas
August 24th, 2005, 09:02 AM
I think that many posters here still have to become really involved with Cameron character/Ben before joining in... the other characters have all had 8 years of backstory. Many fans of Ben and his work are still staying mainly on the Farscape Boards, where they are discussing his Stargate role & character. This is a pity because I would like to see him gain a real presence on the 'almost official' largest Stargate site. And besides it's fun to talk about this character and read everyone's opinions. :)

Take the glasses off mini-Daniel. LOL! Good one Chillin.
We do need some icons and avatars of Shaft though!

Does anyone think we'll get to meet some more of Cam's family...or hear about them? He doesn't seem adverse to talking about details of his life (another thing that distinguishes him character-wise)... so any father? Brothers/sisters? Cousins from Uncle Marvin?

I like the way he has such an open personality.

ChillinTheMost
August 24th, 2005, 02:36 PM
Speaking of cousins...

So, this is what I've been doing most of today. I think you all might enjoy it. Or, at least, it might kill a few minutes until quitting time while you read it.

http://www.gateworld.net/fanfic/archive/39/summerweekends.html

It's okay to link to that from here, right?

jckfan55
August 24th, 2005, 02:53 PM
This is an excert of the Mazzolli & Gero interview in the Official Stargate Mag #6 - words by Darren Summer of this site. (Full article at Terra Firma Site: http://terrafirmascapers.com/index.php?topic=3074.0 )

I've just included the Words concerning Cameron Mitchell and just have to say that I find this whole thing quite alarming!



It seems to me that Mallozzi has been hanging out online a little too much. This is proof that they have been over cautious in their approach... No-one expects the story to be all about Cameron Mitchell but to virtually admit that they've been inclined to shove his character in the background is not good. I had hoped that while respecting fans that they wouldn't let a few dictate the storylines. I wonder how Mallozzi & Co are responding to reading that so many want to see Cameron Mitchell as a character...want him to have time and character development and expect him to have a fair amount of screentime as the new lead?

As to forgetting about having Ben there when breaking the 4th episode and how they don't need to write around the character tends to suggest that they really don't know what to do with the character or how to write him... what a waste of the talent they had available! I'm really hoping that they've got their act together now... Mitchell, with Ben as his player, has fantastic potential to be another military presence and hero, just write him as such - and stop walking on eggshells guys! The show was never just ONE man (good though RDA was) - get over it already. People do respond to well-written characters.

OK... rant over! :D This interview just annoyed me somewhat... I really want to see Cameron Mitchell expand and Ben really getting some meaty chances in a show he likes!
Yes. I didn't want it to turn into the Ben Browder show (as much as I like him), but I don't think we've seen enough of Mitchell yet. I want to like him, but he hasn't had much to do so far.

gbbarb
August 24th, 2005, 03:53 PM
http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s9/graphics/907_08.jpg

So do you think this is a picture of Mitchell, Daniel or some one else?

I was hoping for some Mitchell whumping in these episodes :D

RikTikTavi
August 24th, 2005, 03:54 PM
First, thank you for the warm welcomes from Greytop, Kas, and Chillinthemost. ::practically bursts with the warm, fuzzy feeling:: I can already tell I'm gonna like it here!

Second, I do feel like they have not elaborated on Mitchell's character enough in this season. They have alluded several times to his having regained his mobility after crashing during the Antarctica showdown, but we have no information on how he did it... Was he defeatist at first but then overcame his negative attitude? Was there another person who really inspired him to keep going? Exactly how hurt was he? I mean the list is endless, I wish they would give us some more information.

Kas wrote:

"Does anyone think we'll get to meet some more of Cam's family...or hear about them?"

Oh, I hope so. I used to live in the south (Alabama and Louisiana), and if there's one good aspect to Dixieland its the extremely colorful individuals who inhabit the area. He's got to have at least one crazy uncle who used to swear that he once met a group of E.T.s (who looked suspiciously like the Asgaard, maybe Loki?) while he was out shooting opossums. And who was his biggest influence? Was his family military or not? What's his cover-story for working at the SGA? AAAAAAAAAAAAA... I could keep going...

Well, that's it for now. I gotta run.

Cathain Nottingham
August 24th, 2005, 04:57 PM
http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s9/graphics/907_08.jpg

So do you think this is a picture of Mitchell, Daniel or some one else?

I was hoping for some Mitchell whumping in these episodes :D

*laughs* That's too funny, I guess one really can't tell the two apart from behind.

And concerning the "Cameron family" question - I think the fact that TPTB have given us this many hits already - that means he'll probably tell more again.

Kas
August 24th, 2005, 05:10 PM
So do you think this is a picture of Mitchell, Daniel or some one else?


That pic is definitely there to throw us... I think that it may be Baal. Don't quote me on that though! :D


They have alluded several times to his having regained his mobility after crashing during the Antarctica showdown, but we have no information on how he did it... Was he defeatist at first but then overcame his negative attitude? Was there another person who really inspired him to keep going? Exactly how hurt was he? I mean the list is endless, I wish they would give us some more information.

Really good points Rik. I tend to think that as Mitchell came back to walking and fighting fitness this quickly - which it was in terms of being severly injured, having internal bleeding and not being expected to walk, demonstrates a very strong and determined attitude rather like his not going to let Anubis defeat them and protect SG1 at all costs, so I can't see him as ever giving up. I believe that Jack helped to speed his recovery by promising him any posting he desired... so he kept in his mind the fact of joining this elite team, he sees as the best of the best... so perhaps we could say that it was Jack who inspired him by giving him something to fight to recover for. He drew on this, just as he drew on his recovery to defeat the knight. I believe this was to show Mitchell's determined, never say die personality and can't really see Mitchell as ever allowing events to beat him without putting every effort in. <JMO>

I hope we get further little clues to this part of his story as well...

gbbarb
August 24th, 2005, 05:32 PM
[QUOTE=Kas]That pic is definitely there to throw us... I think that it may be Baal. Don't quote me on that though! :D

Don't know Baal well enough to know for sure but isn't his hair darker?

If the shot was a lower I could tell because I would recognize Ben's butt anywhere :p

Kas
August 24th, 2005, 05:43 PM
If the shot was a lower I could tell because I would recognize Ben's butt anywhere :p

Ditto! :D

If it is Mitchell or Daniel, I would have to go for Mitch, as Ben has the longer oval head... Michael's is more round. However, I'll probably be totally wrong! :)

gbbarb
August 24th, 2005, 06:01 PM
Ditto! :D

If it is Mitchell or Daniel, I would have to go for Mitch, as Ben has the longer oval head... Michael's is more round. However, I'll probably be totally wrong! :)

He is wearing a white tee and Mitchell usually wears a black tee.

Maybe the white tee is an indication that it's a MITCHELL THUMPING EP :eek:

Kinda like black tee was for Chricton, that would be highly amusing :)

greytop
August 24th, 2005, 06:34 PM
I believe it is someone entirely else. Most likely someone who works for, and doesn't know it, Baal.

Kas
August 25th, 2005, 02:17 AM
From the Amanda Tapping interview in the new Dreamwatch #133.


"Because she was so close to General Hammond and Jack O'Neill, Beau and I are still trying to figure out what kind of relationship Carter and Landry have," explains Tapping. "It is interesting because General Hammond was basically like a godfather to her. He knew her Dad and watched Carter grow up so he's very much part of her family. Landry is a bit reserved and removed and she has more to prove to him. They have an amiable relationship, but I don't know the depths of it."

Her take on new leading man Ben Browder's role of Lt. [Col. - they missed the Col...:( ] Mitchell is very different.

"As for Mitchell, he's been around the whole time, basically part of the SGC since the inception, and saved us in Antartica. We have a very friendly relationship. The audience has just never seen him before."

So, Sam and Mitchell know each other through being Officers of the same rank at SGC... Probably through Military Meetings as part of the Airforce Units though as he had never really had the opportunity to meet and befriend Teal'c and Daniel. He was known to Carter and Jack O'Neill. SG1 is absolutely legendary at SGC, so it's no wonder he wanted to join this team.


Amanda also says:"There's this really cute scene where we all decide to put on all our SG-1 badges."

That's this week guys! :)
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Off Topic, but I'll post it for those interested as I'm typing quotes:


Does Tapping imagine the lovebirds (Sam & Jack) living happily ever after?

"I've thought about that and I don't have an answer for you. Ultimately, there has been too much notice on these two and it is too much of a qualifier for this character. It would be amazing if something happened and they went 'Oh, we're better off as friends." If they could get it on just once, have a great little time, and then go 'We got that out of our system. Now let's go fishing!" I just can't see Carter and O'Neill having a long term functioning relationship though."

Amanda also says that the relationship to Pete was important because it opened up Sam Carter but now, the character's coming back "more focused with her work and more connected to herself."

ChillinTheMost
August 25th, 2005, 04:33 AM
So do you think this is a picture of Mitchell, Daniel or some one else?

I was hoping for some Mitchell whumping in these episodes :D

LOL. I don't think it's either of our heroes, though. Look at his left upper arm and shoulder. Not enough muscle definition, I think.

And if you go here [which is where I think you got the pic] and look at the picture above it, it looks like it could be that guy further in the torture process. That would be my guess.

http://www.stargate-project.de/stargate/index.php?seite=episodenguide&aktion=showfolge&ID=181

ChillinTheMost
August 25th, 2005, 04:44 AM
From the Amanda Tapping interview in the new Dreamwatch #133.

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So, Sam and Mitchell know each other through being Officers of the same rank at SGC... Probably through Military Meetings as part of the Airforce Units though as he had never really had the opportunity to meet and befriend Teal'c and Daniel. He was known to Carter and Jack O'Neill. SG1 is absolutely legendary at SGC, so it's no wonder he wanted to join this team.



That's this week guys! :)
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Amanda also says that the relationship to Pete was important because it opened up Sam Carter but now, the character's coming back "more focused with her work and more connected to herself."

Hmm, I never got the impression that Mitchell was at the SGC all the time, just that Sam and him were friends from something previous. He couldn't have been there because, as of AvalonI, he had never seen the Stargate before. But she said "basically a part of the SGC", not that he was stationed there, so, who knows what that means? Quite confusing. I hope it's addressed in the show. Amanda may have placed a little more emphasis on something she had been told.

They all put on their SG-1 badges this week??? I CAN'T WAIT!!! WooHoo!

Kas
August 25th, 2005, 05:34 AM
Hmm, I never got the impression that Mitchell was at the SGC all the time, just that Sam and him were friends from something previous. He couldn't have been there because, as of AvalonI, he had never seen the Stargate before. But she said "basically a part of the SGC", not that he was stationed there, so, who knows what that means? Quite confusing. I hope it's addressed in the show.

I hope it's addressed too, but it is possible that even though being part of SGC (perhaps just the fighter pilot side), that certain areas would be off-limits except to certain personnel. Just like on some military bases you have an inner clearance and outer clearance depending on unit and need to know etc?

Gaterelle
August 25th, 2005, 06:02 AM
I like Cameron, he seems like a good character.
I don't think his intro was handled well because it was just so...bland.
Yeah, he's everyone's friend and he saved SG1 etc.
I hate that sort of cliche intro. It would've been better if it hadn't had any or less connections with SG1 because that would make it more natural, if you understand what I mean...
But I think he has good chemistry with the others, he seems good natured and friendly. I like him. :)

ChillinTheMost
August 25th, 2005, 07:19 AM
I like Cameron, he seems like a good character.
I don't think his intro was handled well because it was just so...bland.
Yeah, he's everyone's friend and he saved SG1 etc.
I hate that sort of cliche intro. It would've been better if it hadn't had any or less connections with SG1 because that would make it more natural, if you understand what I mean...
But I think he has good chemistry with the others, he seems good natured and friendly. I like him. :)
Yeah, I have mixed feelings about Mitchell's introduction into the show. On the one hand, I agree with you. "Hmmm, new character, let's kind of grandfather him in and pretend he's been there all along." Kind of a cheat.

But on the other hand, I'm just happy that he's there!

:D

I can understand why they did it. They hoped the hesitant fans would accept him more easily if the SG-1 returnees welcomed him with open arms, but it also made some fans shake their heads at the cheat. I think it basically worked, though. I also like that they didn't make the SG-1 returnees, especially Teal'c, over-enthusiastic about having him there. I think that would have been unreal. And overkill.

I'm glad you like Cameron. I think he's going to be even more fun when he settles in! :p

ChillinTheMost
August 25th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Chronicling Mitchell:

906 – Beachhead


Tangibles:

Air Force call sign: Shaft, as in camshaft

Costume change: Informal basketball attire: Air Force T-shirt with sleeves torn off, cargo pants, boots


Intangibles:

Calls his pick-up basketball partner [Daniel] his wingman.

This whole conversation is fun and it shows that Mitchell may be succeeding in getting SG-1 back together, and also shows that they banter well together, feeding off the verbal leads of others:
Mitchell: How good is this? We’ve got the band back together.
Sam: Uh, sir, what’s with the extra backup singer?
Mitchell: Ah, she’s good fun. Plus, we figured if Jackson were to…
Teal’c: Die.
Mitchell: Yeah, that’s the word. It would jeopardize the mission.

The Mark 9 warhead seems to have been a secret project, but Mitchell seems to know quite a bit about it rather quickly, considering the speech that he gives the prior and that the “Mark 9’s fuse in mode 2 is a wee bit twitchy.”

Sam, and everyone else on the Prometheus, defers to Mitchell for the decision on whether to join the Jaffa in firing on the force field. He orders the attack, but as soon as Sam tells him to stop, he orders the cease fire without question. I think this shows trust and respect between the two, which will be needed if they are going to be working together having the same rank, even if one is clearly designated the leader.

Mitchell tries again to get Samantha to join SG-1 permanently.


Quotes:


Upon hearing of others’ perception of SG-1 because of their victories: “Wow. We look cool.”


“Oh, boy. And here I was trying to have a nuke-free career.”


“All right, let’s do this.” “Thanks. Let’s do this.”


“…Earth minutes…” complete with finger quotes
Good Mitchell/Daniel banter:
Mitchell: I just gave him 30 minutes. [pause] 29 minutes.
Daniel: ‘Earth’ minutes?
Mitchell: “Yeah, I’ve always wanted to say that.”
--and--
Mitchell: Detonating the largest warhead ever built by man is not exactly the historical footbump that I had in mind.
Daniel: Not to mention the guilt you’re gonna feel for vaporizing a perfectly good Stargate.
Mitchell: And that guy.

gbbarb
August 25th, 2005, 02:10 PM
LOL. I don't think it's either of our heroes, though. Look at his left upper arm and shoulder. Not enough muscle definition, I think.

And if you go here [which is where I think you got the pic] and look at the picture above it, it looks like it could be that guy further in the torture process. That would be my guess.

http://www.stargate-project.de/stargate/index.php?seite=episodenguide&aktion=showfolge&ID=181

I'm sure you are right, Ben has much better guns than that picture :)

I see I will get my Mitchell whumping in Bablyon ep, I guess I can wait.

Kas
August 26th, 2005, 02:36 AM
Thanks Chillin for the overview. Can I just say that I loved this scene:


“…Earth minutes…” complete with finger quotes
Good Mitchell/Daniel banter:
Mitchell: I just gave him 30 minutes. [pause] 29 minutes.
Daniel: ‘Earth’ minutes?
Mitchell: “Yeah, I’ve always wanted to say that.”
Ben and Michael played that so well... And poor old Mitchell thought he had plenty of time due to rapidly learning that Daniel does tend to enthusiastically wax on! :D

Hurley
August 26th, 2005, 02:56 AM
Speaking of cousins...

So, this is what I've been doing most of today. I think you all might enjoy it. Or, at least, it might kill a few minutes until quitting time while you read it.

http://www.gateworld.net/fanfic/archive/39/summerweekends.html

It's okay to link to that from here, right?
I love your fanfic, Chillin! VERY, VERY CUTE ! :)

ChillinTheMost
August 26th, 2005, 04:58 AM
Thanks Chillin for the overview. Can I just say that I loved this scene:
[the 'earth minutes' scene]

Ben and Michael played that so well... And poor old Mitchell thought he had plenty of time due to rapidly learning that Daniel does tend to enthusiastically wax on! :D

I know! I really wanted to include that scene even though I think Daniel had the best line, and his delivery was great. But I do think it showed how they are getting along and unafraid of a little teasing banter between themselves. It also shows that Mitchell can take a little teasing unabashedly.

ChillinTheMost
August 26th, 2005, 04:59 AM
I love your fanfic, Chillin! VERY, VERY CUTE ! :)
Thank you, Hurley!

greytop
August 27th, 2005, 06:53 AM
Found out this week that Cam know when to except advice. When he and Teal'c were with the Jaffa council. Cam started speaking and Teal'c told him that outsiders do not speak before the high council, he shutup and when he was with Teal'c the other times he didn't say a word while before the Jaffa High Council.

Kas
August 27th, 2005, 11:24 AM
I really like that about Cameron too Greytop. He has a lot to learn about other races and cultures but he knows it and is prepared to listen to advice and let others expertise take over when necessary. I love the fact that he doesn't flinch when he has to make a tough decision.

I really liked the scene where Mitchell reforms his team. I didn't know what to expect but this really worked... no gushing and no words necessary. I loved how he feels that he has got to know Daniel and his views that he felt he could 'enlist' him first. He didn't need to ask him because I think they've built some rapport that he knows Daniel will not turn away from this threat. I think that he knows that Sam would not be able to resist too, although there was some relief there, I'm certain - Just by the way Cameron put his hand back on her shoulder to acknowledge her acceptance of being on a team of his making. I assume he left Teal'c until last as he was still not certain whether the Jaffa would accept him... loved the long pause and then the slight smile and nod. Wasn't Mitchell a very happy bunny?

Cathain Nottingham
August 27th, 2005, 01:09 PM
I really like that about Cameron too Greytop. He has a lot to learn about other races and cultures but he knows it and is prepared to listen to advice and let others expertise take over when necessary. I love the fact that he doesn't flinch when he has to make a tough decision.

I really liked the scene where Mitchell reforms his team. I didn't know what to expect but this really worked... no gushing and no words necessary. I loved how he feels that he has got to know Daniel and his views that he felt he could 'enlist' him first. He didn't need to ask him because I think they've built some rapport that he knows Daniel will not turn away from this threat. I think that he knows that Sam would not be able to resist too, although there was some relief there, I'm certain - Just by the way Cameron put his hand back on her shoulder to acknowledge her acceptance of being on a team of his making. I assume he left Teal'c until last as he was still not certain whether the Jaffa would accept him... loved the long pause and then the slight smile and nod. Wasn't Mitchell a very happy bunny?

Yep! He was so cute in that scene! Very happy Mitchell :D

greytop
August 27th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Does anyone think that Cam always had those patches in his pockets? It would make sense that he happen to have them at that time.

Cathain Nottingham
August 27th, 2005, 03:15 PM
Does anyone think that Cam always had those patches in his pockets? It would make sense that he happen to have them at that time.

Maybe he did, he really *REALLY* wanted the band back together so he wanted to be prepared. :D

Neelan_Liquor
August 27th, 2005, 06:00 PM
I'm finally back from Vancouver (no, I didn't see Ben ;)) and just got caught up with the posts. Way to go in keeping our boy on page one! :D

Welcome aboard to the newbies! *waves* Hope to see you guys at one of the cons! Ben's gonna be at Burbank this November! :D

Loved the character interactions in this week's ep! And it never occured to me that the patches would just rip off like that (though is should have, I suppose :p) but I love that Mitchell had the SG-1 patches in his pocket all ready for his team.

And we've established the fact that Mitchell's a wonderful student, always learning from others, so taking that "hint" from Teal'c was a no brainer. ;) Want more Mitchell/Daniel banter!!! :D

Jeez, it's gonna be sooooo hard to catch up on the BB thunk thread... but I'll do it! ;)

Kas
August 28th, 2005, 01:57 AM
Welcome back Neelan!

(I'm having trouble posting with the quote feature, so I'm not using it)

Neelan wrote:And we've established the fact that Mitchell's a wonderful student, always learning from others, so taking that "hint" from Teal'c was a no brainer. ;) Want more Mitchell/Daniel banter!!! :D

I'm so wanting to get to know more about Mitchell pronto. Definitely want more play between those guys. And also Colonel Pendergast.

Did you notice that the full-bird Colonel called Mitchell 'Cam' this episode? It looks like they built quite a rapport during the time 'Shaft' was on Prometheus. Judging by Mitchell saying that 'My friends call me Cameron' and Pendergast using the shortened form, they must be FIRM friends. I'd like to see that explored as they appear to be using Prometheus a fair bit this season and I want to see Mitchell's flying abilities brought into play.

Neelan_Liquor
August 28th, 2005, 07:52 AM
(Sometimes, the quote feature gets twitchy around here, so I usually do the manual quote thing....)


Did you notice that the full-bird Colonel called Mitchell 'Cam' this episode? It looks like they built quite a rapport during the time 'Shaft' was on Prometheus. Judging by Mitchell saying that 'My friends call me Cameron' and Pendergast using the shortened form, they must be FIRM friends. I'd like to see that explored as they appear to be using Prometheus a fair bit this season and I want to see Mitchell's flying abilities brought into play.

I did. So to Pendergast, he's either Cam or Shaft, eh? ;) LOVE IT! I think it's an indication of how personable Cameron really is. To get to know the commander of Prometheus so readily. And Pendergast was smiling when he saw Cam, too. :D Hmmm, wonder if that means that Cam has a public "persona" he assumes, or if he really is that likable! (I opt for the latter, of course!) :cool:

Mongo's Girl
August 28th, 2005, 12:41 PM
Why do I keep forgetting about this thread! I'm truly pathetic. :(



I did. So to Pendergast, he's either Cam or Shaft, eh? ;) LOVE IT! I think it's an indication of how personable Cameron really is. To get to know the commander of Prometheus so readily. And Pendergast was smiling when he saw Cam, too. :D Hmmm, wonder if that means that Cam has a public "persona" he assumes, or if he really is that likable! (I opt for the latter, of course!) :cool:
They probably know each other quite well. The flying world within the SGC is pretty small, so they've likely been to a lot of briefings and training type stuff together for a long while now.

But you're right, he is very likable. :)

Kas
August 28th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Neelan: (Sometimes, the quote feature gets twitchy around here, so I usually do the manual quote thing....)


So it isn't just my computer playing up and freezing? That's a relief! :)


Originally posted by Neelan:
And Pendergast was smiling when he saw Cam, too. :D Hmmm, wonder if that means that Cam has a public "persona" he assumes, or if he really is that likable! (I opt for the latter, of course!) :cool:

He was - a lot. And I'm with you on the latter :D . He comes across as a real genuine person. I really like seeing someone else Mitchell relates naturally and well to on equal friendly terms. This counteracts the fact that he's not yet on that absolute footing with SG-1 yet... I'm certain that they are on the way but with Mitchell's interaction with Pendergast we see the equal respect and familiarity of close friends as well as military colleagues. Hopefully this is how it will be with all of SG-1 eventually.


Originally posted by Mongo's Girl:
They probably know each other quite well. The flying world within the SGC is pretty small, so they've likely been to a lot of briefings and training type stuff together for a long while now.


Very true... same field, same turf.

Neelan_Liquor
August 28th, 2005, 05:29 PM
I just love seeing all the warm-fuzzies regarding Cameron. :D I think Ben's still at odds with this job, because it's NOT Farscape (which was SO collaborative and fun for him) and he's still the new kid on the block... and everyone knows it! As cool as Chris is, and friendly as I'm sure Amanda and Michael are, this is still Ben's first experience as a show's "star" (or one of 'em) where he's not the "big fish", ya know? It's not "his show" in any sense, but I sure hope he's having fun by now.

*sigh* Waiting for new eps sucks! Especially when you know you have nearly TWO WEEKS! :eek:

Kas
August 29th, 2005, 12:45 AM
I'm sure he is. Reading Alex Levine's blog on scifi website where Ben and his brother paid a visit to Atlantis set, it seems he's really having a ball. Also, the way he is just loving performing as many stunts as he can (can't wait to see those eps - esp 4th Horseman) which we just know is so Ben. :D I believe he's having a great time and has already said in interview that he'd love to continue this role as long as they want him and to develop the Mitchell character.


*sigh* Waiting for new eps sucks! Especially when you know you have nearly TWO WEEKS! :eek:
Being in the UK... I can tell you my Family are so pleased! It takes me hours to be able to see the eppy :( so this they see as a welcome break. Naturally, I think the same as you do...it sure sucks!