Cameron - Discussion and Appreciation

[Neelan_Liquor]

From what I remember, throughout the majority of the movie, the O'Neil character also referred to Daniel as Jackson in the same military manner as Mitchell.

You are absolutely right about that. I'd completely forgotten it, but as soon as I read that, I could totally hear Kurt Russell saying "Jackson". Good call.

It is a military thing, (as well as a P.E. teacher thing ) to call people you don't know well or only have a working relationship with by their last names. It's not at all disrespectful, and I think if they were in a more formal situation, say in D.C. with senators and such, Cam would probably call him Dr. Jackson... 'cause it's appropriate. That's just the way he is.

I found it kind of jarring to hear him call Daniel by his last name, but I'm getting used to it quickly, and never had a "problem" with it. It was just unexpected at first.

And I think he calls Sam Sam because she probably told him to call her that... she usually tells EVERYONE to call her that... when she visited him in his hospital room. They may have socialized a bit since then, but I doubt it was more than once or twice, or he woulda known that she was being transfered out of the SGC. Don't want to ramble on about the possible extent of their "relationship" at this point, so I'll just leave it at that.

[greytop]

I believe that Cameron has know Sam longer than any of the others on the team. They both look around the same age and they could have gone to the Academy together.

[Kas]

Yes, absolutely both scenarios are possible...but at least we know that Cameron and Sam are aquaintainces to an extent that they can use first names. What they call each other in the field, we don't yet know as we only saw a friendly phone call.

And I agree, I would expect that Mitchell would probably use Daniel's full professional title in a more formal setting which is why I'm pleased that he's not using it now.

PS:

OT: Whoo hoo, for those ratings!

[Kas]

How about our new Lt Col's sense of fun?... Did you see the reaction Mitchell gave to Vala's 'Miss Me' to Daniel? Daniel turned to stare, Lam did not look very amused and Mitchell just cracked up - and that's after he keeps teasing Daniel by calling Vala his 'girlfriend'. I reckon our Mitch is really pleased that these two are still tied by the bracelets... it gives him more time to work on Daniel rejoining his team!

Thoughts?

[ChillinTheMost]

How have I missed this thread until now???

Mitchell is my favorite character, but then, I knew that before he hit my screen as Mitchell. I used to watch Stargate, enjoyed it, but for some reason, lost touch. When I heard that Ben Browder was joining the cast, I jumped back in, all the way into the deep end. I've been catching up on episodes [and rewatching the ones I saw many years ago], and I've been anxiously awaiting Season 9. I have to say, that I am not disappointed.

So far, they have made Cameron Mitchell everything I could have hoped for. A little more screen time would be nice, but I can understand that they don't want to shove the new guy into the face of faithful fans that are more tentative in their enthusiasm for the changes. [Nothing wrong with that, big changes to a beloved series can involve an adjustment period.]

As to the man that is Mitchell: First and foremost, he has my favorite character trait: a good sense of humor. He also seems noble, strong, caring, honorable, all those good things.

As to the leader that is Mitchell: I like the way he leads this group [not that they are a "team" yet, but...] The individuals are self-motivated and don't need a leader that orders, but one that can put together their individual talents and come up with the big picture for the solution. He also may need to rein them in when they tend to stray. He's already told Daniel to focus, and he said it firmly, but not condescendingly. He has great respect for the members of what he hopes will be his team. They have been doing this for 8 years and they are experts in their fields. He knows and respects this and is willing to learn from them.

Mitchell is different from O'Neill in the ways he reacts to each of the team. So far, I've noticed the biggest difference in how he treats Daniel. O'Neill saw Daniel as somewhat of an innocent; someone to be protected, maybe someone who sometimes needed his enthusiasm reined in. Not that there was anything wrong with this, and it was necessary in the beginning, but I'm not sure O'Neill has noticed how Daniel has changed over the years. He might never become the soldier that O'Neill or Teal'c are, but he can take care of himself. And Mitchell expects Daniel to take care of himself. He sees the "grown up" Daniel. Mitchell also takes an interest in Daniel's specialty. He asks questions and wants to learn. This will help him be a good leader.

I also think this means that Mitchell will pay more attention to Sam's technobabble and try to understand it. We haven't seen much interaction between them, but it was Sam that cut off her own technobabble, not Mitchell, when they were talking.

We know that Teal'c and O'Neill had a great friendship. I don't know if Mitchell and Teal'c will have that, but I think they will have respect. They'll probably be friends, but Teal'c and O'Neill had something special, somewhat due to how O'Neill changed Teal'c life.

[Comparisons to O'Neill are in no way meant to be negatives; but just to point out that they are different.]

Mitchell has a great enthusiasm and respect for the SGC and SG-1. But he also has a lot to offer them. I look forward to watching his character develop.

---Now, see, if y'all had pointed me to this thread a few weeks ago, I could have broken that up into a few posts and not bored those of you that dredged through it!

[ChillinTheMost]

How about our new Lt Col's sense of fun?... Did you see the reaction Mitchell gave to Vala's 'Miss Me' to Daniel? Daniel turned to stare, Lam did not look very amused and Mitchell just cracked up - and that's after he keeps teasing Daniel by calling Vala his 'girlfriend'. I reckon our Mitch is really pleased that these two are still tied by the bracelets... it gives him more time to work on Daniel rejoining his team!

Thoughts?

I think that now that Daniel's missed the boat, so to speak. there isn't much problem with him rejoining SG-1. This is giving him a chance to check out the new "boss", however, so it could be helpful.

But, yes, as I mentioned in my verbose post above, I love a man with a sense of humor. And leather pants, but that's for another post. I loved when he stopped Vala's past love interest [whatever his name was] with "Thanks, we get the picture. A very vivid, very disturbing, picture." Hee.

I love Ben Browder's comedic delivery.

[ChillinTheMost]

Oh, yeah, I also wanted to talk about Mitchell calling Daniel, "Jackson". I think it is perfectly normal for him to be doing that. It all goes back to what I said earlier about Mitchell seeing Daniel as someone who can take care of himself. I think O'Neill almost saw Daniel like a son, someone to be protected, someone to be prodded in the right direction. And he called him Daniel. Partly because he saw him as a friend, and partly because he saw him as someone to be coddled.

Mitchell isn't his friend yet and he sees him as an equal in regards to self-reliance. Mitchell and Sam must have been good friends previously and not just worked together somehow, because he calls her Sam, but Daniel, he sees as one of the guys, one of the members of a military team, so he calls him Jackson.

I don't know if I'm wording this right. Some times when I say it, it sounds like I'm saying O'Neill looked down on Daniel, while Mitchell sees him as an equal and that's not what I'm trying to say, but it sort of is - if you take the O'Neill part as "fatherly". Or maybe "big brother" is better. Yeah, I like that better.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

Although.... did someone mention a Mitchell fanfic???

[Kas]

Loved all your post... glad to see that you've found the thread... it's only been going a few days really. Thought that Mitchell deserved one now that we're seeing his character beginning to be fleshed out. Although to be honest, it's amazing how much we know in such a short space of time, thanks to Ben's body language and fabulous delivery.

I loved this part of your analysis as I realised just how spot-on it is:

O'Neill saw Daniel as somewhat of an innocent; someone to be protected, maybe someone who sometimes needed his enthusiasm reined in. Not that there was anything wrong with this, and it was necessary in the beginning, but I'm not sure O'Neill has noticed how Daniel has changed over the years. He might never become the soldier that O'Neill or Teal'c are, but he can take care of himself. And Mitchell expects Daniel to take care of himself. He sees the "grown up" Daniel. Mitchell also takes an interest in Daniel's specialty. He asks questions and wants to learn. This will help him be a good leader.

Mitchell is coming in knowing of all Daniel's successes and regards him as an equal on the field as well as enjoying his expertise in his specialist areas. Mitch is a definite 'fan boy'. Jack, as you pointed out, is still viewing him as he really first knew him... an innocent, someone who needs constant protection. Great post Chillin' .

[Kas]

And leather pants, but that's for another post. I loved when he stopped Vala's past love interest [whatever his name was] with "Thanks, we get the picture. A very vivid, very disturbing, picture." Hee.

I love Ben Browder's comedic delivery.

Don't forget to join us in the Ben THUNK thread... leather pants for viewing galore there.

Oh, that scene... I just about died. Everyone was so good...LOL! at Wallace Shawn and as for the looks on Mitchell and Daniel's faces! Ben's body acting and language in stopping the guy from continuing was just wonderful delivery.

[ChillinTheMost]

So, I thought I'd use this thread, if I may, to kind of catalog what we learn about Mitchell. Unfortunately, the only transcript I found was for Origins and he wasn't in it that much, so... not much to learn, but easy to catalog! I hope to do this with all episodes, depending on transcripts found, time I can devote to it, and if there is any interest. Any help is appreciated. Sometimes this may be my interpretation to what happened, so discussion and debating is encouraged.

903 - Origins

Tangibles

A bit of a history buff

Spent long Sundays at his grandma’s church: St. Hilda's Church of the Grand Epiphany

Intangibles

Mitchell’s character: devotion to his team – in his spare time he watches over Daniel and Vala in the infirmary

Leadership: Take charge kind of guy, part I. When the prior was in the briefing room and when Landry and Mitchell return, Mitchell draws his gun and takes over. I don’t think Landry had time to lay out what needed to be done [taking the prior’s staff, etc], Mitchell just acted.
Take charge kind of guy, part II. When Teal’c and Mitchell get rid of the communication device.

Mitchell has the confidence of his superior officer:
HARRIMAN: Chevron three, encoded!
LANDRY: Walter ...
HARRIMAN: Orders from Colonel Mitchell, sir.
LANDRY: Proceed.

And...

When this plan works, Mitchell gains some respect from Teal’c.

I think the scene with O'Neill and Mitchell showed that he has a lot of exuberance and that he is a little unsure of how well he'll do as leader of SG-1, or, at least, unsure that others have confidence in him. Hence, the appreciation when O'Neill told him that Landry said he'd do fine.

Quotes:
"Oh, I get ya. 'Wherever you go, there you are.' ...I think that's Buckaroo Banzai."


Wow, there really wasn't much in this episode.

[ChillinTheMost]

Don't forget to join us in the Ben THUNK thread... leather pants for viewing galore there.

Thanks for the invitation. I've visited a few times, and will go back again, but prefer this type of thread where we can talk about the character. Not that I don't enjoy a juicy picture now and then...

[Kas]

So, I thought I'd use this thread, if I may, to kind of catalog what we learn about Mitchell. Unfortunately, the only transcript I found was for Origins and he wasn't in it that much, so... not much to learn, but easy to catalog! I hope to do this with all episodes, depending on transcripts found, time I can devote to it, and if there is any interest. Any help is appreciated. Sometimes this may be my interpretation to what happened, so discussion and debating is encouraged.


Wow, there really wasn't much in this episode.

Great idea... I really think you have it ALL for this episode though... I've been trying to think of anything extra and all I can come up with is is the obvious signs of his quick intelligence from things he's learnt and not really experienced.. in this case, when Teal'c suggested sending the object through the stargate but Lee saying they could still be linked, Mitchell came up with the idea of using the 'whoosh' to destroy the object without any explosion... must have been in those files!

[ChillinTheMost]

Yeah, Mitchell was about 10 steps ahead of me on that one! I didn't even catch it until the second time watching. I was thinking it was Teal'c's plan and maybe they'll still be linked and what if... When I watched it again, I saw/heard that Dr Lee had already said they might still be linked and Mitchell had already revised the plan! Smart man, that.

[Hurley]

So, I thought I'd use this thread, if I may, to kind of catalog what we learn about Mitchell. Unfortunately, the only transcript I found was for Origins and he wasn't in it that much, so... not much to learn, but easy to catalog! I hope to do this with all episodes, depending on transcripts found, time I can devote to it, and if there is any interest. Any help is appreciated. Sometimes this may be my interpretation to what happened, so discussion and debating is encouraged.

You can find the transcripts on : scifigate.net

[Kas]

You can find the transcripts on : scifigate.net

Thanks Hurley... that's really good to know.

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Going back to the Mitchell calling Daniel Jackson issue for the moment, the more I think about it, I forgot to mention the trigger.

Mitchell went into see Daniel introducing himself on a more casual first-name basis as did Daniel. It wasn't until Daniel said, "I know we owe you one..." that Mitchell had a flashback and changed his demeanor. "Listen Jackson, I don't want you to stay because you think you owe me one." Mitchell's tone snapped into officer mode at this point. Then he says, "Unless of course, you're considering it." Giving a slightly lighter tone but a way out none-the-less.

This was a really fantastic scene acted by the two men... Watch Daniel's indecision - written all over his face - as he reflects on the debt. It was Mitchell's intent to extend a little distance between them, to give Daniel the choice. He wants a team that wishes to work with him and not from any sense of obligation. Ben's switch in tone and manner here were fantastic. From this, I feel that Mitchell's definitely waiting for Daniel to offer to take it to a more informal level again when he's ready and of his own free will. (Fits right in with this season's theme! ).