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airam
July 26th, 2005, 09:45 PM
Has anyone been able to piece together Earth's gate address?

_Owen_
July 26th, 2005, 10:01 PM
Lol, that is a good question, I have never really thought about it. I will check around.

Owen Macri

Erik Pasternak
July 26th, 2005, 10:14 PM
http://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph28.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph26.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph05.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph36.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph11.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph29.gif

Information courtesy of the Stargate Section (http://rdanderson.com/stargate/stargate.htm) at the Richard Dean Anderson Web Site (http://rdanderson.com/).

_Owen_
July 26th, 2005, 11:19 PM
Thank you rocket, actually that is where I was going to check but I have been busy, oh well, I will just add the adress in here.


http://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph28.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph26.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph05.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph36.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph11.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyph29.gifhttp://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/questin2.gif

There is the adress, minus, of course the point of origin, so the question mark represents that.

Owen Macri

EDIT: Oh sorry, the first time I saw your post when I typed this my browser didn't display the images. If you want I will delete them.

Owen Macri

Erik Pasternak
July 27th, 2005, 12:50 AM
EDIT: Oh sorry, the first time I saw your post when I typed this my browser didn't display the images. If you want I will delete them.

Owen MacriThe more symbols, the merrier. :D

_Owen_
July 27th, 2005, 01:38 PM
Lol, thank you.

Owen Macri

airam
July 27th, 2005, 06:34 PM
Rocket thanks for the info and redirect, I really appreciate it. That site seems to be quite comprehensive and good source for some info when writing fanfic that aims to be true to the world of SG1! Thanks again.

Jarnin
July 27th, 2005, 08:01 PM
Chevron 26 (http://www.chevron26.com/estart1.html) has quite a few Altantis addresses, as well as a breakdown on the Pegasus symbols, and dialing computers for Atlantis and the Puddlejumpers.

Click planets from the menu.

_Owen_
July 27th, 2005, 09:51 PM
Lol, Chevron 26?!? You would need aprroximatley 2.89 gates for that lock!

lol.

Owen Macri

mightydefiant
July 28th, 2005, 11:42 AM
Lol, Chevron 26?!? You would need aprroximatley 2.89 gates for that lock!

lol.

Owen Macri
Ok, no more happy pills for you.

On http://rdanderson.com/stargate/glyphs/glyphs.htm the gate has Earth poo but the dhd has abydos poo, isn't this odd?

_Owen_
July 28th, 2005, 08:41 PM
Lol. You are right that is strange, I wonder why they did that?

By the way nice sugnature.

lol.

Owen Macri

mightydefiant
July 29th, 2005, 11:22 AM
Thanks! And so you know, I didn't notice that I spelled it wrong at frist...

_Owen_
August 1st, 2005, 08:00 PM
Sorry, what did you spell wrong?

Oh well it doesn't matter, everyone makes mistakes, and spelling ones are not the worst possible.

Owen Macri

mightydefiant
August 2nd, 2005, 02:54 PM
sugnature signature, what did I spell wrong?

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 2nd, 2005, 03:18 PM
Mmm... I wonder what the Earth Gate Address in 9 chevrons :cool:

Panther
August 2nd, 2005, 04:41 PM
That's odd. Earth's address should be different for each stargate. There should be no "one address".

_Owen_
August 2nd, 2005, 05:53 PM
sugnature signature, what did I spell wrong?
Oh, I'm an idiot, I forgot I even posted that, lol, oh well, I already killed the joke, I tend to do that, I hate that! lol. Ya, I thought your signature was funny.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
August 2nd, 2005, 05:58 PM
No, Earths' adress should be the same from everywhere, seeing as each Stargate uses the same symbols, the only diffrent symbol would be the point of origin. If I haven't understood correctly pleade explain, I appoligize.

Owen Macri

Panther
August 2nd, 2005, 07:51 PM
The stargate co-ordinates work by using the constellations and/or planets to define a point in three space (the chevrons are 6 faces of an imaginary cube if you like). Finally to make a line you use define a point of origin. No seeing as everyone is going to have a different night sky it follows that the co-ordinates from each point of origin are going to be different.

_Owen_
August 2nd, 2005, 08:07 PM
No, the symbols are not actually constellations, they respresent points in space, an adress has six of them, you may then connect them and where they intersect is where the Stargate will aim the wormhole.

Owen Macri

Panther
August 2nd, 2005, 11:08 PM
"...A massive, circular ring with an inner track of 39 symbols representing star constellations..." (Omnipedia, Gateworld).
Why are they limited to to 39? Secondly, you forget that only Abydos could be dialed at first. It was later discovered due to planetary drift all other addresses wouldn't work. Again the solution was to find the six constellations where straight lines between them would intersect to a Stargate.

Aris Boch
August 3rd, 2005, 12:29 AM
I'm going to have to agree with Panther. It just dosen't make sense. I sure can't think of an explanation.

mightydefiant
August 3rd, 2005, 09:29 AM
you forget that only Abydos could be dialed at first.
It's like knowing only one phone number.

Why are they limited to to 39
There has to be a limit, you want 5000? How would they all fit on the gate?

the symbols are not actually constellations, they respresent points in space
True, or all symbols would be differnt on every gate as the movie had it(and the movie only had 2 stargates)

Earths' adress should be the same from everywhere, seeing as each Stargate uses the same symbols, the only diffrent symbol would be the point of origin
True, or they would have to find the symbols for Earth every time they go somewhere.
Think of it as a phone number, it stays the same as you move to place to place.

_Owen_
August 3rd, 2005, 12:28 PM
I think what they are talking about is, in the movie, and apparently the show as well as we see in the season eight finale, the symbols represent constellations you are right, but they aren't physically constellations, they just appear to look the same as constellations, Orion, for example, a symbol on the Stargate looks like the constellation, but the constellation orion, is not actually the side of one of the imaginary boxes.

Owen Macri

mightydefiant
August 3rd, 2005, 12:58 PM
I wounldn't know about season 8, I'm stuck in sydication. And I have dail-up for downloading(illegal!)

_Owen_
August 3rd, 2005, 01:14 PM
Oh all that happens is they mention that the symbols look like constellations nothing special. I hope you get the episodes soon, they are good.

Owen Macri

mightydefiant
August 3rd, 2005, 01:19 PM
I know, I can't wait for season 8 to start in the fall! But I'm worried that will they show atlantis too, because they will have to move or take off a show or ad-shows.

Panther
August 3rd, 2005, 05:19 PM
Sam also mentioned that they tried a number of combinations, and they didn't work. There are after all 2,349,088,560 posible combinations from each Stargate.



DANIEL
All of the symbols are on the Stargate in the Abydos chamber. I've also managed to chart some of them in the Abydos night sky, or at least pretty close. Jack I think that this is a map of a vast network of Stargates, Stargates that are…are all over the galaxy.

CARTER
Uh, I don't think that can be, Doctor.

CARTER
Well, because after Colonel O'Neill and his team came back my team tried hundreds of symbol permutations using Earth as the point of origin and it never worked.

DANIEL
I tried the same here and it didn't work either but I figured the destinations I tried were either destroyed or buried, but, um, I mean some of them somewhere must still exist.

CARTER
I don't think so.

CARTER
Then where did your Ra lookalike come from?

CARTER
Uh…

DANIEL
Look I don't pretend to know anything about Astrophysics but couldn't the planets change? I mean, uh, drift apart or something like that, to throw this map off?

CARTER
I knew I'd like you.

DANIEL
You mean I'm right?

CARTER
According to the expanding universe model all bodies in the universe are constantly moving further apart…

DANIEL
So I the thousands of years since the Stargate was built…

CARTER
All the coordinates could have changed.

DANIEL
But why does it still work between Abydos and Earth?

CARTER
Abydos is probably the closest planet in the network to Earth, I mean the closer they are the less the difference in relative position due to expansion—the further away the greater the difference. In a few thousand more years it won't work between Earth and Abydos either.

DANIEL
Unless you can adjust for the displacement.

CARTER
Right, now with this map as a base that should be easy. All we have to do is correct for Doppler's Shift, then I should be able to arrive at a computer model that can predict the adjustments necessary to get the Gate working again.

KAWALSKI
Okay, so what did we just figure out?

CARTER
Any civilisation advanced enough to build this Gate network would be able to compensate for 50,000 years of stellar drift.


Obviously, the positions of the constellations and planets matter. Of course now that I think about it could be possible that the 6 symbols could be the same. If for example the symbols are supposed to be groups of two then really the order of the three groups shouldn't matter. If you think about 3D space, the first of the two dictates the first constellation, and the second dictates the second constellation then one draws a straight line between the two points, then it really should matter which of the three lines you resolve first. Also it shouldn't matter which angle you view them on because a line between two points is always gonna be the same. I think the difference arises from what each planet uses as it's constellations. Maybe from another planet one can't see the Orion constellation, but it's stars are something else entirely. After all the symbols are based off the night sky.

_Owen_
August 3rd, 2005, 05:41 PM
Yes, the symbols are based on the night sky, either that, or the night sky is based on the symbols, think about it, the Stargate has been around for millenia, much longer in fact, constellations are just images found in the sky, mostly based on mythology, Ancient humans could have looked at the Stargate seen the symbols and put them together in the night sky, with as many stars as we can see, almost any image or symbol can be found, you just have to look.

I disagree that the symbols represnt actual constellations, the symbols represent points in space, they must be moving all of the time, every time someone moves a Stargate, for the coorelative updates, and we can't forget the symbols also represent a language allowing you to pronounce the names of each planet, etc. But I certainly do not believe that each symbol actually represents a constellation, they just represent points in space.

Owen Macri

Panther
August 4th, 2005, 03:52 PM
How would "points in space" work in 3D space. You'd be pretty limited in your vectors for a Stargate with so few symbols.

_Owen_
August 4th, 2005, 05:34 PM
Oh, umm there is another thread around here where I explained it, or maybe I just copied my post, well here is a picture anyways, does this help?

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2474/spacerep3zh.png

This is a very basic picture I have a more complicated one explaining my entire theory of how the Stargate identifies othey gate using tubular regions. (Seastallion doesn't like it. shh. lol)

Owen Macri

Panther
August 4th, 2005, 10:14 PM
Yes, but how are the 39 symbols distributed in 3D space? How do you know what is where?

cozzerob
August 5th, 2005, 01:58 AM
I disagree that the symbols represnt actual constellations, the symbols represent points in space, they must be moving all of the time, every time someone moves a Stargate, for the coorelative updates, and we can't forget the symbols also represent a language allowing you to pronounce the names of each planet, etc. But I certainly do not believe that each symbol actually represents a constellation, they just represent points in space.

Owen Macri

I would say that you are half right. I think that the symbols on the statgate represent constellations, which are really representative of points in space near these constellations. Obviously the constellations don't match on other planets because they see a different night sky, however, the symbols on the gate are still valid because they represent points in space close to that constellation you can see in earth's night sky.

This means two things - firstly, the ancients were very arrogant to impose their view of the galaxy on everyone else, and secondly, as the symbols don't link directly to the constellation but a point in space that was near at the time of building (the stargates), you can't use the constellations anymore to plot a course to a planet using the gate address unless you know inadvance what the points in space corresponding to each symbol are. these points in space are calculated and spread by the dhd's through correlative updates.

It also explains why our gate could only gate to abydos, the gates points in space were off, but abydos was near enough for it not to matter.

As for panther's question, Carter worked out some system to predict/extrapolate where to points were. This would then tell the dialling computer what each symbol means, and then the gate worked properly again.

Also, althought panther has a point about limited vectors, the gate adresses only work in one combination, even though you should be able to mix them up a little, ie, a gate address like:

a b c d e f [Point of origin]

is really meant to be groped like this: ab cd ef [POO]

there fore you could technically input it as: ba cd fe [POO], etc. However, this is never done is stargate, suggesting that the seguence of symbols only works one way. This is probably so that planets that can't be plotted by the conventional methods are given a special code which is more like a name for the planet, rather than an address. these 'named' planets are known to the dhd's and the route to take to them is in the dhd's too.

But that's just my theory. I think it works, but as SG is at the end of the day, a tv show, prone to plot holes and the like, you must work out what you think.

Ps: if you didn't understand any of that just say and I'll try to clear it up - i haven't explained all of it very well but I think you get the drift of what I'm saying. if not don't hesitate to ask (but be specific about what you don't understand).

_Owen_
August 5th, 2005, 04:39 PM
Yes, but how are the 39 symbols distributed in 3D space? How do you know what is where?
The points would likley be mapped, not actually, but by the Stargate. It is the same with a constellation, you are saying this constellation is located at this point in space. With my idea, it would just be like saying, this point in space. Just like you use latitude and longitude on Earth, you will have system devised for charting space.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
August 5th, 2005, 04:44 PM
About the possibility of limited vectors, I have come up with another solution, the Stargate has thirty eight symbols, and most likley, all of the symbols are a part of more than one adress, what if instead of only thirty eight points for the entire galaxy, each gate has its' own six. The gate would not know what point you are dialing until the entire sequence was in because the symbols may represent hundreds of points in space for each diffrent gate. This would also allow for many, many more gates.

Owen Macri

Panther
August 5th, 2005, 08:17 PM
I think it's implied in the series that each stargate has it's own unique six symbol identifier and the seven symbol address is not a vector. It's the only possible way it could work. There's just not enough accuracy with the 39 points in 3D space.

_Owen_
August 5th, 2005, 09:28 PM
You are right, there the accuracy would be very low, and may areas of the universe would be simply unusable. However I don't recall it being stated in the show...

Owen Macri

airam
August 7th, 2005, 12:49 PM
Back to that whole address stuff and not how it works... Anyone know the galaxy symbol that Atlantis uses to call up Earth in Letters from Pegasus? Also, what is the Point of Origin symbol for Atlantis itself?
Thanks

_Owen_
August 7th, 2005, 05:40 PM
I would like to know that too, maybe there is a screen shot.

Owen Macri

cozzerob
August 8th, 2005, 12:54 AM
I couldn't find the earth address from Atlantis, but I have the atlantis POO. Sadly I don't have time to get it, but you can find it at www.chevron26.com, under the bit about atlantis, Dhd and stargate. It's right at the bottom of the page.

_Owen_
August 8th, 2005, 05:41 PM
Oh, that is cool. It just came to me, seeing as the distance between Pegasus and the Milky Way and the Milky Way and Pegasus is the same, and the Atlantis Stargate has the same symbols as Milky Way gates, then likley the Distance modifier used to get to Pegasus from Earth will be the same as the one to get to Earth from Pegasus. However I still don't know what that is. lol.


Owen Macri

Jarnin
August 8th, 2005, 07:54 PM
I think that the symbols on the statgate represent constellations, which are really representative of points in space near these constellations.
I've heard this arguement before, and it doesn't float. The Antarctic gate was placed on Earth ~50 million years ago, and it uses the same "constellation" symbols as all the others. 50 MYA the constellations wouldn't look anything like they do now, since the stars they're represented by would have been in completely different locations.

The constellations are based off the symbols on the gate, not the other way around.


the Atlantis Stargate has the same symbols as Milky Way gates
Except the Pegasus stargates don't have the same symbols as the Milky Way gates, and they don't have as many symbols either; Milky Way has 39, Pegasus has 36.

As long as the symbol that they used from Earth has a counterpart on the Pegasus gate, they can dial home.
Since the "distance modifier" used to get to Pegasus was the 20th symbol on the gate (clockwise from the PoO) Pegasus gates also have that symbol, which means they can dial Earth, as we've seen in the series a couple times so far ;)

_Owen_
August 8th, 2005, 07:58 PM
That is why I said "if" but you cut it from the quote.

Owen Macri

Jarnin
August 8th, 2005, 10:13 PM
That is why I said "if" but you cut it from the quote.


Oh, that is cool. It just came to me, seeing as the distance between Pegasus and the Milky Way and the Milky Way and Pegasus is the same, and the Atlantis Stargate has the same symbols as Milky Way gates, then likley the Distance modifier used to get to Pegasus from Earth will be the same as the one to get to Earth from Pegasus. However I still don't know what that is. lol.


Owen Macri
No Cut, no paste, no "if".

Panther
August 9th, 2005, 02:52 PM
The constellations are based off the symbols on the gate, not the other way around.

Excuse me, but you've totally lost me here? What are you on about?

_Owen_
August 9th, 2005, 02:57 PM
Hmm, strange, I could swear I typed "if..." Well, anyways that is what I meant to say, if the symbols were the same.


Excuse me, but you've totally lost me here? What are you on about?

Jarnin is suggesting like I have previously, that the ancient humans saw that symbols on the stargate, and used them to form the constellations that we know today.

Owen Macri