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hooly
July 17th, 2005, 02:35 AM
I thought they've mentioned numerous times that a stargate provides [B}instantaneous[/B] travel through space. So that whole wormhole scene they show when they go through the stargate is not really what they're seeing, it's just for us to show us that their atoms are being transported across space. But whenever they send a probe through, they always have it tracking how long till it arrives and they have the diagram which shows its position as it gets closer to the planet. The probe should enter instantaneously, there should be no time between when they send it through and when it arrives.
Could anyone clear these up for me or is it just a contradiction?

thanks

jaden10
July 17th, 2005, 03:30 AM
As someone who is schooled in the finer details of Quantum Mechanics (I changed it to shut people the hell up, being my PhDs apparently offended the more insipid morons in this area)

The reason that the matter doesn't automatically reintegrate is because of one special reason. SUBSPACE. Just because subspace is VASTLY and EXTREMELY faster then normal space, there still is travel time. no matter where you gate to. Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit, but because we haven't advanced far enough to utilize it we do not know the maximum speed is.

Now what your thinking of is folding space which would allow matter to appear instantaneously from one gate to the next, but folding space required a massive amount of power, that on the likes of 2 of our suns. Not even a ZPM can supply that, even though it has enough explosive power to wipe a solar system out.

Not to mention one thing that has been discovered, Folding space also obviously generates a massive gravity well, so much so it has been theorized that is can obliterate matter by crushing it and distorting the molecules, as to where the artificial wormhole that the stargate creates doesn't create a gravity field, it doesn't warp space, it just send the object/person into subspace to the other gate.

I does get complicated but I will leave the basics here for now.

_Owen_
July 17th, 2005, 07:12 PM
Nice post jaden10! Congratgulations on the PHD Doctor.

In response to the original post, There is one thing that is instantaneous, the dematerialization and rematerialization of the matter traveling through the gate, the time it takes to dematerialize matter is instantaneous, but the travel is far from it.

Along those lines, The Stargate does not send your atoms through the artificialy created wormholes, it sends your dematerialized matter, or energy. Just to clear that up.

Owen Macri

briguy213
July 17th, 2005, 09:23 PM
Hey owen, how do you know so much? I would like to get a phd in quantum mechanics. I still have 4 more years to decide though. What is your proffession jaden?

_Owen_
July 17th, 2005, 10:44 PM
To tell you the truth, I have no idea how I know so much. I am very interested in science, among other things, my dad is very good with science, it was one of his majors. I watch tons of Stargate, but I don't really know, I learn a lot from my dad, and then some things, I just know. I would really like to give you an answer, but I don't know. Thank you very much for the compliment. You seem very knowledgable too.

You are deffinetly getting reputation for this.

Owen Macri

jaden10
July 17th, 2005, 11:51 PM
What is your proffession jaden?
I am currently a consultant for JPL.

_Owen_
July 17th, 2005, 11:56 PM
Ok, THAT IS PRETTY FREAKING COOL!!! You are so getting reputation for that!

Owen Macri

briguy213
July 18th, 2005, 12:01 AM
Whoah. You are so lucky. Where did you goto school?

_Owen_
July 18th, 2005, 12:06 AM
While you are answering questions, what kind of stuff do you do?

Owen Macri

jaden10
July 18th, 2005, 02:28 AM
Ok, THAT IS PRETTY FREAKING COOL!!! You are so getting reputation for that!

Owen Macri

To be honest when I was a younger all I wanted to do it be a minister (talk about a complete 180). But it is cool, especially when you see the end results. But also there is a flip side, Long nights up trying to figure out problems (like tonight :S) and making plans that WILL work (in theory at least). The one rather large pain in the arse, since September 11th security has gotten very, very tight (for obvious reasons). And because of the tight security it becomes a bit annoying to literally have someone up your arse checking you and your family our for questionable associates. But I feel it is worth it.

jaden10
July 18th, 2005, 02:32 AM
Whoah. You are so lucky. Where did you goto school?

Let me tell you something about being lucky, you make your own luck if you follow your passions with a vengence.

Here is the list of schools I went to.
MIT
UCLA
CalTech.

I got my PhD from MIT in Quantum Physics/Mechanics
I got my Associate in Computer science from UCLA
And I got my second PhD in Theoretical Quantum Physics

Yes, it is true that there actually IS a class in Theoretical QP.

But also I needed to talk classes in other subjects which got me Certificates in Computer Repair (MSCP, A+) and I also got a AA in Business Mangement (nothing else struck my fancy)

jaden10
July 18th, 2005, 02:36 AM
While you are answering questions, what kind of stuff do you do?

Owen Macri

In general, I am working with a team on the propulsion and artificial gravity technologies (propulsion for a speedy trip and artificial gravity so there is less of a chance that the crew doesn't loose bone and muscle mass in Zero G)
Also some of the computer hardware for the ship.

_Owen_
July 18th, 2005, 04:50 AM
Ya, I sort of figured that, but thank you very much.

Owen Macri

briguy213
July 18th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Is there a place I can read about the non classidified stuff? IS there any that has to do with the artificial gravity stuff?

jaden10
July 18th, 2005, 10:40 PM
Is there a place I can read about the non classidified stuff? IS there any that has to do with the artificial gravity stuff?

I can tell you right now, and it is pretty common knowledge, the stage that we are at with Artificial Gravity is this.
we put a centrifuge on the ship in the middle and we spin it up to about 80-110 feet per minute (and yes, feet per minute is currently use) and you have gravity. But I won't lie, that is expensive and bulky as hell to build, it would have to be built in space.

As for finding stuff out, goto Google and put in "Artificial Gravity" and it will come up with some good choices.

And yes for the wondering people out there, allot of the tech that we have going is Startrek inspired. And it is very true, if it wasn't for Trek, about 60-70% of the people in this field would not be in it. All bow in homage to the late great Gene Roddenburry

briguy213
July 18th, 2005, 11:01 PM
Thanks, Im gonna go check it out

briguy213
July 18th, 2005, 11:11 PM
How would artificial gravity work on say a goa'uld cargo ship?

jaden10
July 18th, 2005, 11:59 PM
Oh side note.

I just dug this back up from a DVD I made last year.

During my last year at CalTech I wrote a paper on Teleportation Physics.

Being none of this is classified, I am willing to share it with anyone who may be interested in the finer details of "transporter technology" and what would need to be done and so forth.

If you are interested PM me with your email addy.

hooly
July 19th, 2005, 05:25 AM
I understand the stuff about subspace (as it exists in the show), but I thought I've heard it mentioned that the stargate sends you instantaneously through space. I didn't realise the massive amounts of power involved in doing this (I'm sure the writers or whoever wouldn't have really cared though). Maybe I'm getting confused with other sci-fi or maybe they stopped saying it in the later seasons? If this goes on I'll try dig up some quotes.

briguy213
July 19th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Thank you very much for the information jaden

_Owen_
July 19th, 2005, 02:48 PM
I think I know what you where confused with. In Stargate "instantaneous" is a word used more than commonly, they reffer to the speed matter is de and re materialized as instantaneous, they reffer to the time the gate takes to activate, and for the event horizon, instantaneous. It is very probable that the way they stated something made it sound like the gate worked instantaneously.

Owen Macri

Chevron_nine
July 19th, 2005, 08:54 PM
As someone who has a PhD in Quantum Mechanics I can explain in detail.
The reason that the matter doesn't automaticly reintegrate is because of one special reason. SUBSPACE. Just because subspace is VASTLY and EXTREMELY faster then normal space, there still is travel time. no matter where you gate to. Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit, but because we haven't advanced far enough to utilize it we do not know the maximum speed is.


First of all let me state that it's late and I have nothing better to do. Another thing you should know about me is I can't stand people who BS.

A PhD in Quantum Mechanics? I'm no PhD in Quantum mechanics or anything, but I'm pretty sure subspace is a concept of scifi and not reality."Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit". For someone with a PhD:S I sure hope you used better grammar to write your Thesis.



Now what your thinking of is folding space which would allow matter to appear instantaniously from one gate to the next, but folding space required a massive amount of power, that on the likes of 2 of our suns. Not even a ZPM can supply that even thought it has enough explosive power to wipe a solar system out.
Not to mention one thing that has been discovered, Folding space also obviously generate a massive gravity well, so much so it has been theorised that is can obliterate matter by crushing it and distorting the DNA of matter, as to where the artifical wormhole that the stargate creates doesn't creat a gravity field, it doesn't warp space, it just send the object/person into subspace to the other gate.


There's just too much BS in here that I don't want to go into too much detail since there's more I want to rant about in your following posts.



It does get very complicated. So much so I don't think many people would have the patience to go through all the theoretical calculations.

An excellent excuse:rolleyes:



I am a consultant for JPL, I am one of the people who is helping design the ship that will carry the explorers to Mars.

You're a consultant for JPL which is based in California, yet you say you're from Largo, Florida? must be a long commute to work.



To be honest when I was a wee lad all I wanted to do it be a minister (talk about a complete 180). But it is cool, especially when you see the end results. But also there is a flip side, Long night up trying to figure out problems (like tonight :S) and making plans that WILL work (in theory at least). The one rather large pain in the arse, since September 11th security has gotten very very tight (for obvious reason, we don't want a potential terrorist getting plans on a orbiter or a space craft and build one that can be used for offensive reasons). And because of the tight security it becomes a bit annoying to literally have someone up your arse checking you and your family our for questionable associates. But I feel it is worth it.

I can understand increased security, but do you honestly think terrorists are going to build an offensive orbiter or space craft? There are much more efficient, and a hell of a lot easier ways to terrorise people.



Let me tell you something about being lucky, you make your own luck if you follow your passions with a vengence.


So you're saying you want to have revenge on your passions?



Here is the list of schools I went to.
MIT
UCLA
CalTech.

I got my PhD from MIT in Quantum Physics/Mechanics
I got my Associate in Computer science from UCLA
And I got my second PhD in Theoretical Quantum Physics

Yes, it is true that there actually IS a class in Theoretical QP.

But also I needed to talk classes in other subjects which got me Certificates in Computer Repair (MSCP, A+) and I also got a AA in Business Mangement (nothing else struck my fancy)

Are you sure you got your PhD in Quantum Physics from MIT, because last time I checked MIT was specialised in Information Technology, and Mechanical Engineering and only offered an Introductory course in Quantum Mechanics, although I could be wrong.


So now you don't only have one but two PhD's? I wouldn't have posted this reply if it wasn't for this specific post of yours. I could have let the first post slip, some people like to pretend to be someone they're not, but to go as so far as to say you have two PhD's and have people on the board believe you I think is taking it too far. There are people who go through hard work and stay in school for years to get a PhD and claiming to be a expert in Quantum Mechanics when you're clearly not is like spitting in the faces of those people who've actually gotten a PhD. I don't have a PhD, but I know people who do.



For obvious reasons I can't get into alot of detail because of Security reasons. Some of the things I am working on will also be used in Military Tech, so I have to tip toe.

In general, I am working with a team on the propulsion and artifical gravity technologies (propulsion for a speedy trip and artifical gravity so there is less of a chance that the crew doesn't loose bone and muscle mass in Zero G)
Also some of the computer hardware for the ship. But that is all I can say.
Actually no, what I can say is when all this stuff does come to the publics attention, it WILL revolutionize the computer and the travel industries.
But that is all I can get into.


So, they have you working on multiple unrelated projects, Military tech, propulsion and artificial gravity. Last time I checked most industries have workers who specialise in one specific field and don't go running all over working on unrelated projects. In fact most of the time they have multiple people working on each project, especially at the JPL. To me it seems like your TWO PhD's in Quantum Mechanics are going to waste at the jobs you're doing. They don't seem to be related to Quantum Mechanics at all.



I can tell you right now, and it is pretty common knowledge, the stage that we are at with Artifical Gravity is this.
we put a big cylinder on the ship somewhere, in the middle sounds about right and we spin it up to about 80-110 feet per minute and you have gravity. But I won't lie, that is expensive and bulky as hell to build, it would have to be done in space.

as for finding stuff out, goto google and put in "Artifical Gravity" and it will come up with some good choices.

And yes for the wondering people out there, alot of the tech that we have going is Startrek inspired. And it is very true, if it wasn't for Trek, about 60-70% of the people in this field would not be in it. HAIL GENE RODDENBERRY


Well it looks like you finally decided to cite your source of information:S

_Owen_
July 19th, 2005, 09:14 PM
Well, it looks like you have some evidence here, but I personally don't know so, I can't argue for jaden.

Personally, I don't care if he has PHds, I don't care if every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie, I don't care why he would want to lie, I don't care if he lied or not. Jaden is a really nice guy, he knows his stuff, whether he has phds or not.

Personally, if you have a problem, you should have taken it up with him in private, there is a private message system that gateworld uses, there is no reason to pull the thread off topic because you decided to attack him because of some things he posted, personally, I don't know why you had to attack him, who does he hurt by saying he has phds, whether it is the truth or not. If everyone in the world let things go, our world would be a lot better.

Owen Macri

hooly
July 30th, 2005, 12:51 AM
I think I know what you where confused with. In Stargate "instantaneous" is a word used more than commonly, they reffer to the speed matter is de and re materialized as instantaneous, they reffer to the time the gate takes to activate, and for the event horizon, instantaneous. It is very probable that the way they stated something made it sound like the gate worked instantaneously.

Owen Macri

That's a very good point, Owen. I think that's cleared it up for me but I'll be listening like a hawk if they say anything. cheers.

BTW, don't you like it when you think you've finished your cup of tea, but when you look in there is still a good amount left?

jaden10
July 30th, 2005, 01:44 AM
Before I begin I am going to apologize to anyone who takes offense to what i am to say. First though, Thank you Owen.

Chevron nine, you say BS, now while you didn't out and out call me a liar, I am going to assume your talking to me.

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First of all let me state that it's late and I have nothing better to do. Another thing you should know about me is I can't stand people who BS.

A PhD in Quantum Mechanics? I'm no PhD in Quantum mechanics or anything, but I'm pretty sure subspace is a concept of scifi and not reality."Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit". For someone with a PhD I sure hope you used better grammar to write your Thesis.
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I don't bull****, I can't afford to. As for my grammar, I don't care what you think, if you look carefully at the time of posting it is late at night, and unless you are cranked up on energy pills, one would belive that one would be tired.
As for subspace, you saying that from your limited understanding of not only space, but science. We honestly do not have any proof of such a dimention, IT HAS ONLY BE THEORISED (I know my spelling sucks, it's 430 in the am)

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The comment of folding space, read up on that subject, be it Sci-fi or even books on physics.

excellent excuse? Apparently you didn't read my paper of teleportation. So unless you feel the need to match brain power, I suggest you stop before you get behind the 8 ball with your mouth

As for JPL being based in California, your correct, but there are 2 JPL "offices" here in Florida, One in the cape, and one here in Clearwater florida.
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I can understand increased security, but do you honestly think terrorists are going to build an offensive orbiter or space craft? There are much more efficient, and a hell of a lot easier ways to terrorise people.

Personally I don't think they would, but look at the US government, if they had it there way we would all have transmitters rammed up our ass.
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So you're saying you want to have revenge on your passions?
Well I can see that someone didn't pay attention in english class.

In the sense I was saying it, Vengence means to go after it and let nothing get in your way.
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Are you sure you got your PhD in Quantum Physics from MIT, because last time I checked MIT was specialised in Information Technology, and Mechanical Engineering and only offered an Introductory course in Quantum Mechanics, although I could be wrong.

Look deeper in there website, and one of the courses I had to take was Mechanical Engineering.
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So now you don't only have one but two PhD's? I wouldn't have posted this reply if it wasn't for this specific post of yours. I could have let the first post slip, some people like to pretend to be someone they're not, but to go as so far as to say you have two PhD's and have people on the board believe you I think is taking it too far. There are people who go through hard work and stay in school for years to get a PhD and claiming to be a expert in Quantum Mechanics when you're clearly not is like spitting in the faces of those people who've actually gotten a PhD. I don't have a PhD, but I know people who do.

Yeah I have 2 PhD's, it isn't unheard of, there are people out there with 5 PhD's. and yes it took me years to work on them, and if your wondering I am 31, I was done HS at 16. That gave me some time to study.
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So, they have you working on multiple unrelated projects, Military tech, propulsion and artificial gravity. Last time I checked most industries have workers who specialise in one specific field and don't go running all over working on unrelated projects. In fact most of the time they have multiple people working on each project, especially at the JPL. To me it seems like your TWO PhD's in Quantum Mechanics are going to waste at the jobs you're doing. They don't seem to be related to Quantum Mechanics at all.


Apparently someone doesn't understand technology.
THEY ALL GO HAND IN HAND, If you remember correctly from the news or evene reading it, The US is aiming to put people back on the moon and mars.
Don't you think that they are trying to cut down on the travel time it will take to get to Mars? And something else you apparently don't know, Lack of gravity will reduce the strength of the bones. The ony way to keep it up during a long flight in space is GRAVITY.
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Well it looks like you finally decided to cite your source of information

As for that, ummm no. I get my information by doing something you are apparently ignorant to, I READ BOOKS, I EXPEREMENT, I ATTEND THOSE GOD AWEFUL SIMPOSIUMS, AND WE WRITE OUT THE EQUATIONS.-
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So in short, If you don't know what your talking about, shut the hell up. cause you just made yourself look like a bonafied ******* with no concept of knowledge. And as far as my qulifications, It is not your place to judge, I busted my ass to get where I am at today, and I will be damned if some snot nose punk challenges me and disrespects me in a open forum.
So go talk your trash to someone who gives 2 ****s.

Loaf
July 30th, 2005, 05:25 AM
PHD :eek: an 2 of them *faints*
JPL :eek:
quantum mechanics makes my head hurt

dosn't that meen your Dr jaden

if you 2 must fight try not to destroy the entire space time continum in the process

nicedog
July 30th, 2005, 08:19 PM
As someone who has a PhD in Quantum Mechanics I can explain in detail.
The reason that the matter doesn't automaticly reintegrate is because of one special reason. SUBSPACE. Just because subspace is VASTLY and EXTREMELY faster then normal space, there still is travel time. no matter where you gate to. Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit, but because we haven't advanced far enough to utilize it we do not know the maximum speed is.

Now what your thinking of is folding space which would allow matter to appear instantaniously from one gate to the next, but folding space required a massive amount of power, that on the likes of 2 of our suns. Not even a ZPM can supply that even thought it has enough explosive power to wipe a solar system out.
Not to mention one thing that has been discovered, Folding space also obviously generate a massive gravity well, so much so it has been theorised that is can obliterate matter by crushing it and distorting the DNA of matter, as to where the artifical wormhole that the stargate creates doesn't creat a gravity field, it doesn't warp space, it just send the object/person into subspace to the other gate.

It does get very complicated. So much so I don't think many people would have the patience to go through all the theoretical calculations.


As someone who has a PHD in mechanics i find it disturbing that you've replied such non-sense. You have not even tried to back it up.

jaden10
July 31st, 2005, 12:27 AM
As someone who has a PHD in mechanics i find it disturbing that you've replied such non-sense. You have not even tried to back it up.

Why should I prove to you anything when you already have it made up in your mind that I am not telling the truth, One thing we learn while going for a PhD, is that no ones opinion matters until it is a proven fact that has been tested. So take your small opinion (which is how I feel) and go do something constructive with it. I refuse to have a battle of the wits with a unarmed person.. Thank you and good night.

jaden10
July 31st, 2005, 04:01 AM
PHD :eek: an 2 of them *faints*
JPL :eek:
quantum mechanics makes my head hurt

dosn't that meen your Dr jaden

if you 2 must fight try not to destroy the entire space time continum in the process


Na I have no reason to detroy anything. I just find it annoying that I busted my arse for over 10 years to get this far, and perhaps farther to have someone who apparently has no grasp or concept of what I do for a living day in and day out come along and try to belittle what I love to do for a living. It's actually a insult. Now if he has a PhD or even a Masters in what I do, I have no problems swapping ideas or even concepts, cause every ounce of posative input is welcome to the nth degree, cause it is because of ideas that technology is where it is at.

And honestly people I am not here to make anyone feel stupid, I find this area of the message board highly intellegent and I will be honest some of the ideas I see being kicked around are brilliant, because it is those ideas that will push us as a race into space and beyond, I can honestly see people like Marci go into the same field that I am in and be quite successful if he chooses to be. I mean there is absolutly no limit what-so-ever with any idea I have seen.
But there is ALWAYS one person who either by jealousy or whatever that tries to ruin it for all of us. Now if it is envy, then here is my suggestion, and your NEVER too old to do it, goto Collage or a Uni, or even a tech school and go from there. I have one person who I work with who is in his mid 50's who just got his PhD and he is working on Propultion for jets, there is a kid (early 20's) who is working on next gen computers for the successor to the shuttle. Come on, where else can you have so much fun doing what you love and make a ton of money and going home feeling you did something great? Unless you love Fast Food or being a sales men, I can't see it.

But I digress, If he wants to go head to head fine, If he wants proof of whatever papers I have written, No problem (it will be in secure PDF though). I have no problem what-so-ever showing people the papers that I worked on (well at least papers that I can share).

Loaf
July 31st, 2005, 07:08 AM
you do classified work :eek:

are you sure the CIA won't have you wacked when you retire just to make sure, an just out of curisoity what do you work on

nicedog
July 31st, 2005, 01:22 PM
Why should I prove to you anything when you already have it made up in your mind that I am not telling the truth, One thing we learn while going for a PhD, is that no ones opinion matters until it is a proven fact that has been tested. So take your small opinion (which is how I feel) and go do something constructive with it. I refuse to have a battle of the wits with a unarmed person.. Thank you and good night.

perchance I was a bit impolite when making my point. I wanted to make clear that having a PHD does not make you any more qualified to analyze some situations which in my mind are still science-fiction. I must acknowledge anything is possible when it comes to space and beyond. I apologize. I never went to school in the USA, I had to settle at Oxford which is fantastic but not Harvard or Princeton

Secondly at the university where I use to work Before quitting to continue my research I heard someone say that a wormhole is perfectly possible and it does not defy the laws of kinematics for that matter , it is just the fastest rout, for instance take a A4 put your finger at the bottom and move it in a straight line to the top, it would take 3 seconds depending on how fast you're moving, okay here is the wormhole theory of the person x, now fold the paper in halve, take a lighter and burn a hole between the point of origin and the end (where you stopped your finger) and move your finger trough the hole, you have reached point b without the going trough the previous longer rout, I had many questions which I am not going to bore you with for this person.

One of the questions was how much energy would need to be released, he had no answer.

How fast would to be, he had no answer.

How can you pinpoint your destination, he had no answer.

But if I take this for true I would have to say that it would take no time whatsoever, to get to point B using a wormhole. If this is correct that can mean all places are connected which seems implausible yet not impossible.

Thirdly, how will we be able to obtain such an energy source, I am new to the stargate program but how much energy does the gate take to dial a local address, for example the alpha site or somewhere farther or nearer.

Loaf
July 31st, 2005, 01:26 PM
maybey a stragate makes a micro wormhole which dosn't require bucket loads of energy maybey the wormhole itself is only a few nano meters across

jaden10
August 1st, 2005, 12:49 AM
you do classified work :eek:

are you sure the CIA won't have you wacked when you retire just to make sure, an just out of curisoity what do you work on

Ok honestly, Everything I have spoken about on this board isn't classified by any extent of the imagination. Do I work on projects that are considered "Classified"? Yeah, Will I talk about them no. Why? Because of a few things. One of which they are just that classified and because of the state this world is in. And to me most importantly, I have this issue with a stint in a Federal Prison.

What am I working on, Just to clear things up. As I said before I am a consultant which in the field I work in. Which in short is a idea man.


What am I working on. As I said before. In general we are working on designs on a few design on the ship that will bring the first people to Mars. And let me tell you, there are NO shortange of ideas for this ship, apparently NASA gets thousands of ideas, drawings and what not a week on what they ship should look like.
And also right now we are kicking around ideas on gravity enerators for such a ship. Which includes the ever evasive Artifical Gravity that doesn't require a centrafuge. But honestly I don't see that happening, Centrafuge gravity is about the best we can do. And we are also working on the computers for that trip.

So to quite a certain person that fired the first volly I am not working on a bunch of programs that have nothing to do with each other, we have 5 teams working on this project and all of the teams have multiple projects going at the same time.

jaden10
August 1st, 2005, 12:54 AM
perchance I was a bit impolite when making my point. I wanted to make clear that having a PHD does not make you any more qualified to analyze some situations which in my mind are still science-fiction. I must acknowledge anything is possible when it comes to space and beyond. I apologize. I never went to school in the USA, I had to settle at Oxford which is fantastic but not Harvard or Princeton

Secondly at the university where I use to work Before quitting to continue my research I heard someone say that a wormhole is perfectly possible and it does not defy the laws of kinematics for that matter , it is just the fastest rout, for instance take a A4 put your finger at the bottom and move it in a straight line to the top, it would take 3 seconds depending on how fast you're moving, okay here is the wormhole theory of the person x, now fold the paper in halve, take a lighter and burn a hole between the point of origin and the end (where you stopped your finger) and move your finger trough the hole, you have reached point b without the going trough the previous longer rout, I had many questions which I am not going to bore you with for this person.

One of the questions was how much energy would need to be released, he had no answer.

How fast would to be, he had no answer.

How can you pinpoint your destination, he had no answer.

But if I take this for true I would have to say that it would take no time whatsoever, to get to point B using a wormhole. If this is correct that can mean all places are connected which seems implausible yet not impossible.

Thirdly, how will we be able to obtain such an energy source, I am new to the stargate program but how much energy does the gate take to dial a local address, for example the alpha site or somewhere farther or nearer.

While 10 years ago that would have been my answer as well, we have gained better understanding of space and the theories that have come forth seem plausable. And the one thing that has seriously helped us in understanding space better has been: Hubble Telescope, the Chandra x-ray obervitory. Not to metion (Belive it or not) that science experiment going on in Europe with Anti-Matter.
Science Fiction has pushed more then clarified but it is still a driving force that shouldn't be messed with.

jaden10
August 1st, 2005, 12:56 AM
maybey a stragate makes a micro wormhole which dosn't require bucket loads of energy maybey the wormhole itself is only a few nano meters across

That can be very plausable, going by Stargate physics, the Stargate compressed the molicules into a data stream and trasmits it across subspace, there is no rule saying that the worm home has to be such and such a size for it to work.

Loaf
August 1st, 2005, 04:47 AM
i thought centrifuge gravity had been abandoned becasue it made people quesy and that the mission would be a death sentence for who ever went becasue thye couldn't sheild the entire craft from cosmic radiation

I wonder wether the mars astronaughts will wear omega watches to mars

_Owen_
August 1st, 2005, 08:33 PM
perchance I was a bit impolite when making my point.

A BIT?!? You were down right, insulting and disrespectful, whether someone has a phd or not, does not give you the right to insult them. I know you don't know jaden10, but if you read his posts, you would know he is very intelligent, phd, or not, that deserves respect. Perhaps an apology is in order?

Owen Macri

jaden10
August 2nd, 2005, 01:51 AM
i thought centrifuge gravity had been abandoned becasue it made people quesy and that the mission would be a death sentence for who ever went becasue thye couldn't sheild the entire craft from cosmic radiation

I wonder wether the mars astronaughts will wear omega watches to mars

It hasn't been abandoned, Just scaled back and re-examined.
The way the ships are being designed, all of the ship is shielded against radiation, they have to be, even the windows. The centrifuge, is also made out the same way, as for it being quesy. Doubtful in space, cause there is NO gravity in space. And there really isn't a point of referance to look at except the hatch, but that can be easily fixed by starting the enterance far enough into the tube so no one can see it and it moves right along with the rest of the structure.

as for the watches that is anyones guess, i am sure NASA has a team of 100 working on that.

jaden10
August 2nd, 2005, 01:59 AM
A BIT?!? You were down right, insulting and disrespectful, whether someone has a phd or not, does not give you the right to insult them. I know you don't know jaden10, but if you read his posts, you would know he is very intelligent, phd, or not, that deserves respect. Perhaps an apology is in order?

Owen Macri

I don't want to sound like a ass, but I really don't want a apology. Everyone has a right to there opinion. My problem was out and out way someone said I didn't have a PhD when NO ONE knows me from Adam.

Yes my answer may have seem off, but if you studied what I have studied and done the jobs I have done and had to do, you would understand it better.

Being this is a SG forum, let me say this, (and I know this may not seem right but it is apt). Why did the primative humans worship Ra? Cause he had technology they didn't understand and it seemed god like. Just because my answers don't see "normal" doesn't mean they aren't correct. It just means that there is a bit of learning required for people to understand. I am no greater then anyone on here, and just like everyone else in the world, we all possess different levels of knowledge in different fields.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to go up against a professional internal designer, cause I don't know jack when it comes to color matching or even clashing, that is why I prefer the Country style, it is straight forward and to the point. Just like I don't know jack compaired to Bill Gates about the finer details of computer programming and distribution.

The last thing I am going to say is this. I like everyone else in these forums are contributing to the whole when it comes to this site. And perhaps with all that collective knowledge we can all come to some sort of agreement in how all the gate tech works.. (Sounds borgish if you ask me, but apt)

Oh side note, how does someone put a picture at the end of there post like so many people do on this site? Please PM me.

Loaf
August 2nd, 2005, 07:16 AM
Knowledge dosn't equel power then

jaden10
August 2nd, 2005, 12:08 PM
Knowledge dosn't equel power then

No it doesn't. You have to understand that knowledge to use that knowledge.

_Owen_
August 2nd, 2005, 01:43 PM
You are right, knowledge=knowledge, knowledge used to gain power=power. A tree is just a tree until a logger cuts it down and a carpenter turns it into a desk.

Owen Macri

Lord §okar
August 3rd, 2005, 01:52 AM
As someone who has a PhD in Quantum Mechanics I can explain in detail.
The reason that the matter doesn't automaticly reintegrate is because of one special reason. SUBSPACE. Just because subspace is VASTLY and EXTREMELY faster then normal space, there still is travel time. no matter where you gate to. Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit, but because we haven't advanced far enough to utilize it we do not know the maximum speed is.
By "subspace" what are you referring to, by "faster" than normal space, what are you referring to?

Doubtful in space, cause there is NO gravity in space.
I'll take that statement as it was intended rather than literally.

Three PhDs
August 3rd, 2005, 06:16 AM
jaden10 can you demonstrate to me just one little tiny thing that you learned on any one of your two PhDs. I don't know what it is, but you seem to come across like a 14 year old kid. I'm not even university trained myself, I got my PhDs in a cereal box, but a lot of what you're posting is utter faff.

Allow me to expand upon my prior statemet:


For obvious reasons I can't get into alot of detail because of Security reasons. Some of the things I am working on will also be used in Military Tech, so I have to tip toe.You've already broken enough security regulations to get you put in prison. I'll be emailing your employers to let them know.


Also some of the computer hardware for the ship. But that is all I can say.NASA uses off the shelf components. There'd be a lowly engineer working on the "ship's systems"


I can tell you right now, and it is pretty common knowledge, the stage that we are at with Artifical Gravity is this.
we put a big cylinder on the ship somewhere, in the middle sounds about right and we spin it up to about 80-110 feet per minute and you have gravity. But I won't lie, that is expensive and bulky as hell to build, it would have to be done in space.A big cylinder somewhere about the middle and spin it a number of feet per minute? Well, seeing as feet isn't actually a measure of rotation... I was left somewhat in doubt as to the validity of your claim. To reassure myself I built one myself. What you were trying to describe was a gyroscope. Not an aritificial gravity generator, though not having a PhD in Mechanical Engineering I can see why you might mistake the two.

Loaf
August 3rd, 2005, 08:32 AM
what is your problem

An how are you going to tell his employer you don't have his name i'm sure he works with hundreds of people so why don't you take your grey cloud or what evers makeing you miserable an diserper into quantum oblivion

Three PhDs
August 3rd, 2005, 10:28 AM
what is your problem

An how are you going to tell his employer you don't have his name i'm sure he works with hundreds of people so why don't you take your grey cloud or what evers makeing you miserable an diserper into quantum oblivionMy problem? Fourteen year old kids making a horrendously poor attempt to pass themselves off as someone working on a top secret spacecraft in possesion of two PhDs.

Three PhDs
August 3rd, 2005, 10:41 AM
As someone who has a PhD in Quantum Mechanics I can explain in detail.Yet you never actually do.


The reason that the matter doesn't automaticly reintegrate is because of one special reason. SUBSPACE.A term made up by science-fiction writers. Or maybe Sci-Fi is taught on PhD courses these days? :rolleyes:


Just because subspace is VASTLY and EXTREMELY faster then normal space, there still is travel time. no matter where you gate to. Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit, but because we haven't advanced far enough to utilize it we do not know the maximum speed is.Erm, dude... spacetime doesn't have a speed. It's like saying time has a temperature. You're just making this up as you go along, and making a terrible job of it too.


Not to mention one thing that has been discovered, Folding space also obviously generate a massive gravity well, so much so it has been theorised that is can obliterate matter by crushing it and distorting the DNA of matter, as to where the artifical wormhole that the stargate creates doesn't creat a gravity field, it doesn't warp space, it just send the object/person into subspace to the other gate.A wormhole with no gravitational field, and no distortions in spacetime? BAHAHAHAhaadhasdajkd! A wormhole by definition is a gravitational construct! You're making as much sense as talking about building a mudbrick house with no mudbricks!


It does get very complicated. So much so I don't think many people would have the patience to go through all the theoretical calculations.I have the patience. Please go through them with me.

_Owen_
August 3rd, 2005, 01:14 PM
You know, I don't normally post like this, but I hate people like you. Please explain to me where you find amusment in insulting every last whim of a person. You don't even know Jaden, you don't know if he has phds, or not, I would be inclined to believe that he does, after viewing several of his posts, and observing the way he speaks, as well, he does not come across as a fourteen-year-old kid.

What security regulations has he broken, do you work for JPL? Do you know what their security procedures are? Do you have anything intelligent to say, or are you just going to continue your childish, immature, spamming of this forum. Apparently no one cares that you are going to e-mail his supperiors, we have gotten to know him and he is a very nice guy. Your first immpression has been significantly diffrent.

You know, I am not even going to respond to your post, if you would like to appoligize, not just to Jaden but to the forum for this slander, then I would be happy to have an intelligent disscusion with you, until then...

Owen Macri

nicedog
August 3rd, 2005, 01:32 PM
2 PHD's is nothing , I have 5 , prove me wrong,

Guess what, you can't, you can only judge me on my posts and that's what we are doing.

nicedog
August 3rd, 2005, 01:39 PM
In Kaluza-Klein theory the metric tensor is the potential for other fields in nature besides the gravitational field. How is the relation between the electromagnetic field and the metric tensor different in Einstein's unification theory?

_Owen_
August 3rd, 2005, 01:41 PM
Ok, before I say thank you, I want to make sure, which side are you on? Lol, I don't want to say thank you and sound like an idiot.

Owen Macri

Loaf
August 3rd, 2005, 01:50 PM
we should find this 3 PHD's jerk an send him back to the dark ages so he gets burn't to the stake or some other horrible an grousum death

an by the way -

5 PHDs what drugs did you take to get that smart its a shame knowledge dosn't equal power

Three PhDs
August 3rd, 2005, 02:23 PM
You know, I don't normally post like this, but I hate people like you. Please explain to me where you find amusment in insulting every last whim of a person.I take offence at people who lie and continue to lie about themselves on public forums. Jaden does not have the PhDs he claims and does not work in the job he claims. Every single post he's made I have read and laughed at for how wrong he's been. Don't take my word for it though. Go look at where I've corrected him and if you need to, go Google to check the facts. Now, I've never had any University level Physics education, but I'm still able to run rings round him. What does that tell you? He's lying to you and he's lying to everyong else. I'm doing you a favour by exposing him.


You don't even know Jaden, you don't know if he has phds, or not, I would be inclined to believe that he does, after viewing several of his posts, and observing the way he speaks, as well, he does not come across as a fourteen-year-old kid. How old are you personally, and how can you tell when someone has a PhD or not, no offence. You seem to be amazed by the littlest things he says.


What security regulations has he broken, do you work for JPL? Do you know what their security procedures are?No, but I was brought up in a military background and still have military connections to this day. Rule number one of any classified project is don't tell anyone about it. Especially don't mention it on a public internet forum. Use your brain.


Do you have anything intelligent to say, or are you just going to continue your childish, immature, spamming of this forum. Apparently no one cares that you are going to e-mail his supperiors, we have gotten to know him and he is a very nice guy. Your first immpression has been significantly diffrent.I've probably said some of the most intelligent things this forum has ever seen and I've only been here a day. Seriously, the guy is the most obvious fraud I've ever come across.


You know, I am not even going to respond to your post, if you would like to appoligize, not just to Jaden but to the forum for this slander, then I would be happy to have an intelligent disscusion with you, until then...I have no beef with you Owen, you seem like a nice enough guy. I came here because Jaden was a complete fake who crossed a friend of mine and when my friend mentioned him I thought "Haha, this ought to be fun."


Owen MacriYeah, it says at the top of every one of your posts.


we should find this 3 PHD's jerk an send him back to the dark ages so he gets burn't to the stake or some other horrible an grousum death
They were famous in the dark ages for burning anyone who disagreed with them, even if those being burned were right.

nicedog
August 3rd, 2005, 02:47 PM
Enough with this childish and pointless dispute, back to the topic about wormholes

Please someone ,answer my question, what is the difference

Three PhDs
August 3rd, 2005, 03:07 PM
Enough with this childish and pointless dispute, back to the topic about wormholes

Please someone ,answer my question, what is the differenceI didn't quite understand the question as you asked it. Are you saying what's the difference when looking at the unification of gravity and electromagnetism in Kaluza-Klein theory as opposed to how Einstein looked at it?

lethalfang
August 3rd, 2005, 04:39 PM
You know, I don't normally post like this, but I hate people like you. Please explain to me where you find amusment in insulting every last whim of a person. You don't even know Jaden, you don't know if he has phds, or not, I would be inclined to believe that he does, after viewing several of his posts, and observing the way he speaks, as well, he does not come across as a fourteen-year-old kid.

What security regulations has he broken, do you work for JPL? Do you know what their security procedures are? Do you have anything intelligent to say, or are you just going to continue your childish, immature, spamming of this forum. Apparently no one cares that you are going to e-mail his supperiors, we have gotten to know him and he is a very nice guy. Your first immpression has been significantly diffrent.

You know, I am not even going to respond to your post, if you would like to appoligize, not just to Jaden but to the forum for this slander, then I would be happy to have an intelligent disscusion with you, until then...

Owen Macri
It's quite clear to me "3-PHD" is just here to stir things up. He has no agenda or purpose, but he or she just pokes at some people, hoping that they will be upset enough to give him some attention and response.
By the way, his "check google for scientific facts" is but one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard regarding learning science. Google is fine if you have an idea what the answer should be, so you can pick and choose the more credible websites Google has located. However, for most of the cutting edge science, more than half of these random websites pointed to by Google are utter non-sense. Some claims blatantly violate the most fundamental laws of physics (don't get me started on these perpetual motion motor and oil company conspiracy again).

Three PhDs
August 3rd, 2005, 04:43 PM
It's quite clear to me "3-PHD" is just here to stir things up. He has no agenda or purpose, but he or she just pokes at some people, hoping that they will be upset enough to give him some attention and response.
By the way, his "check google for scientific facts" is but one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard regarding learning science. Google is fine if you have an idea what the answer should be, so you can pick and choose the more credible websites Google has located. However, for most of the cutting edge science, more than half of these random websites pointed to by Google are utter non-sense. Some claims blatantly violate the most fundamental laws of physics (don't get me started on these perpetual motion motor and oil company conspiracy again).I've already stated why I'm here, so it's quite clear to me that you're wrong. I'll state it again though. I'm here to correct those people here who are talking with authority when they really shouldn't be. Especialy those who claim to work for JPL and have two PhDs when they don't. As to checking Google, a quick search on anything in Google when it comes to scientific matters will bring up relevant links to Wikipedia and Answers.com - both authoratitive and well informed sites that you would do well to read.

lethalfang
August 3rd, 2005, 04:47 PM
I've already stated why I'm here, so it's quite clear to me that you're wrong. I'll state it again though. I'm here to correct those people here who are talking with authority when they really shouldn't be. Especialy those who claim to work for JPL and have two PhDs when they don't. As to checking Google, a quick search on anything in Google when it comes to scientific matters will bring up relevant links to Wikipedia and Answers.com - both authoratitive and well informed sites that you would do well to read.
Wikipedia has many enthusiastic people supporting and thus has a lot of useful information right now. However, if I didn't have any prior knowledge regarding the topic I am interested in, I would be careful what is posted in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative source, as anyone can post anything there.

lethalfang
August 3rd, 2005, 04:48 PM
I would trust it on something I know nothing about, as even although anyone can post anything there, if it is found to be unproven or misleading it is removed.
As it is the case that anyone can post anything, anyone can remove anything as well. It is most useful when you want a comprehensive overview and do not want the details, as is mostly the case. However, I still wouldn't trust it if I didn't know anything about it at first.

Three PhDs
August 3rd, 2005, 04:50 PM
Wikipedia has many enthusiastic people supporting and thus has a lot of useful information right now. However, if I didn't have any prior knowledge regarding the topic I am interested in, I would be careful what is posted in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative source, as anyone can post anything there.I would trust it on something I know nothing about, as even although anyone can post anything there, if it is found to be unproven or misleading it is removed.

nicedog
August 3rd, 2005, 05:03 PM
I believe we decided to end this futile discussion.

3Phd , My retort is yes, that's what I want to know, I have the answer, obviously, I just want to see what Intelligent replies will be posted.

Three PhDs
August 3rd, 2005, 05:08 PM
I believe we decided to end this futile discussion.

3Phd , My retort is yes, that's what I want to know, I have the answer, obviously, I just want to see what Intelligent replies will be posted.Oh, well, in the simplest terms I'd say probably that Einstein wanted to make everything join up in a lovely harmonious matter into a nice simple equation like Relativity itself, without the need for all that "messy" quantum mechanics. Kaluza-Klein on the other hand has Quantum Mechanics bound to it intrinsically, owing to the microscopic nature of the implied additional dimensions of spacetime that would be required in order to unify all the fundamental forces. Or am I still missing your meaning? :\

Lord §okar
August 3rd, 2005, 06:05 PM
You don't even know Jaden, you don't know if he has phds, or not,
He doesn't, we've been having a big 'ol chat about him on one of my other fora, populated by other educated people.

It's quite clear to me "3-PHD" is just here to stir things up. He has no agenda or purpose, but he or she just pokes at some people, hoping that they will be upset enough to give him some attention and response.
He's also the possibly most scientifically capable person here and has obviously come for the same reason I have; I see technobabble used to explain things in the same form and format as real science would and people misrepresenting themselves, overblowing their educations and I find them equally offensive.

hooly
August 3rd, 2005, 06:14 PM
After 63 posts Jaden10 is the only one who has bothered to answer my question. How about people throw around some other ideas instead of paying each other out? When I get some time I'm gonna look for quotes that says the stargate provides instantaneous travel from one gate to the next. I'll let you know how I go, I'm ready to be shot down in flames though.

Lord §okar
August 3rd, 2005, 06:17 PM
Could you post it again (and/or provide a link to it)?

_Owen_
August 3rd, 2005, 06:54 PM
What is wrong with you guys, are you stupid? You are ruining this whole forum with your nonsense, WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER TO YOU WHETHER JADEN HAS PHDS OR NOT! It does not effect you at all. It seems to me, that you have created this account for nothing but insulting Jaden and possibly immhotep. Personally, I find quoting a private message, so as to use it as ammunition against some one you may not like is despicable. I don't think I have ever said this to any forum member ever before, but we don't want you here, please leave. Don't leave because I have asked you to, leave because you are ruining this forum, you have done nothing but post insulting slanderous remarks. I really can't believe that anyone would do this, yet you are.

Please, if you are not going to appoligize, or post anything of general intrest AND STOP YOUR MINDLESS BANTER! Then LEAVE. It is people like you who ruin forums. jaden10 has done nothing to you, nor does the state of his educational achievments.

As for insulting the way I sign my name at the bottom of my posts, they are my posts and I choose to type my name, I don't care if you can see it at the begining, it is my way of finishing a post.

Owen Macri

Lord §okar
August 3rd, 2005, 10:41 PM
I thought they've mentioned numerous times that a stargate provides [B}instantaneous[/B] travel through space. So that whole wormhole scene they show when they go through the stargate is not really what they're seeing, it's just for us to show us that their atoms are being transported across space. But whenever they send a probe through, they always have it tracking how long till it arrives and they have the diagram which shows its position as it gets closer to the planet. The probe should enter instantaneously, there should be no time between when they send it through and when it arrives.
Could anyone clear these up for me or is it just a contradiction?
It's a contradiction, people going through the gate are supposed to be converted into energy, too, but they're obviously intact since they can see the wormhole and MALPs can allow their position to be tracked (though how is a mystery since they lose the frame of reference).

Real wormholes are theorized to provide instantaneous transportation since the length of the "throat" is zero, but the stargate one does not.


What is wrong with you guys, are you stupid? You are ruining this whole forum with your nonsense, WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER TO YOU WHETHER JADEN HAS PHDS OR NOT! It does not effect you at all. It seems to me, that you have created this account for nothing but insulting Jaden and possibly immhotep. Personally, I find quoting a private message, so as to use it as ammunition against some one you may not like is despicable. I don't think I have ever said this to any forum member ever before, but we don't want you here, please leave. Don't leave because I have asked you to, leave because you are ruining this forum, you have done nothing but post insulting slanderous remarks. I really can't believe that anyone would do this, yet you are.

Please, if you are not going to appoligize, or post anything of general intrest AND STOP YOUR MINDLESS BANTER! Then LEAVE. It is people like you who ruin forums. jaden10 has done nothing to you, nor does the state of his educational achievments.

As for insulting the way I sign my name at the bottom of my posts, they are my posts and I choose to type my name, I don't care if you can see it at the begining, it is my way of finishing a post.

Owen Macri
1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10

It does not effect you at all.
It does when he uses them as proof of his ideas!

jaden10
August 4th, 2005, 01:42 AM
My problem? Fourteen year old kids making a horrendously poor attempt to pass themselves off as someone working on a top secret spacecraft in possesion of two PhDs.

Actually the space craft isn't top secret, it just hasn't be told to the public yet, and as far as "classified" stuff, I can hint all I want. And for the record I really don't care if you want to mail or call JPL, everything I have said for one hasn't been a breach in any security, and 2, if NASA used off the shelf products, they most likely wouldn't be blowing up shuttles (sorry I needed to say that, it has been my opinion for a while). And if you remember that Faster, Cheaper, quicker crap they were saying, what do you think they used? It wasn't off the shelf products, It was stuff that was built with cheap ass products... And just to let you know, Intel and AMD have been bugging them as well as Microsoft, IBM, Cisco systems and a few other that I honestly don't remember, NASA's response. We have to design equipment that is far above and beyond anything you can make, but here is my question. If that was the case then why the hell are they using a Pentium chip for hubble (Pentium 233).

As for the other mindless banter, I am not going to dignify it with a response.

And why should you care if I have a PhD or not, it was asked by a couple of people, I answered honestly. So being that no matter what I say and what I do, you are going to resort to attacking me no matter what. As I said before it is only proving one thing, a serious lack of maturity.

On a side note. I am going to sandbag for a while, only because I have had my fill of this, and I am choosing to ignore it from here on out, I suggest everyone the same. And you can talk about me in other forums until the cows come home, it makes not a damned bit of difference to me. Caio

Lord §okar
August 4th, 2005, 01:57 AM
And why should you care if I have a PhD or not, it was asked by a couple of people
You've forgotten? I was originally disinterested but then you posted this to me:

And I assume your a expert in wormhole mechanics? Or even so much as someone with a PhD in Quantum Theory?
If you are a expert in wormhole mechanics please let me know where you went to school and experienced your wormhole travels, I want to sign up.
...and used that Quantum Theory PhD to, no less, mock me. I found this extremely vexatious and retaliated. You made it my concern where I initially had none.

EDIT:

It wasn't off the shelf products, It was stuff that was built with cheap ass products... And just to let you know, Intel and AMD have been bugging them as well as Microsoft, IBM, Cisco systems and a few other that I honestly don't remember, NASA's response. We have to design equipment that is far above and beyond anything you can make, but here is my question. If that was the case then why the hell are they using a Pentium chip for hubble (Pentium 233).
That's incongruent. You just said that off-the-shelf products are not used but that a P233 processor is in the Hubble telescope.


Please, if you are not going to appoligize, or post anything of general intrest AND STOP YOUR MINDLESS BANTER! Then LEAVE. It is people like you who ruin forums. jaden10 has done nothing to you, nor does the state of his educational achievments.
We've done nothing but post about the topic, you've done nothing but whinge about things that are not of your concern. How dare you presume to order me to "STOP [my] MINDLESS BANTER". Let me be as clear as possible, post about the topic or be quiet.

jaden10
August 4th, 2005, 02:09 AM
You've forgotten? I was originally disinterested but then you posted this to me:

...and used that Quantum Theory PhD to, no less, mock me. I found this extremely vexatious and retaliated. You made it my concern where I initially had none.

EDIT:

That's incongruent. You just said that off-the-shelf products are not used but that a P233 processor is in the Hubble telescope.

But if you remember, Hubble was NOT a NASA Project.

Lord §okar
August 4th, 2005, 02:19 AM
Yes it was, it was designed, developed and constructed by the Marshall Space Flight centre (NASA) while the electronics and instruments were selected by the Goddard Space Flight centre (NASA) and was commisioned, constructed and owned by NASA (and the ESA through NASA).

jaden10
August 4th, 2005, 02:23 AM
Ah yes you just said it, ESA, European Space Adminastration. People well know for using "Off the shelf" Tech.


But on a different subject, being you have no problems bashing someone for a pointless reason. I figured I would join in.

So your one of those uptight low life Aussies that have nothing better to do then to suck on Prozac and be a ignorant fool.

The reason I dipped that low is because you feel the need to do the same.

Lord §okar
August 4th, 2005, 02:34 AM
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough:

Designed, developed and constructed by: Marshall Space Flight centre (NASA)

Electronics and instruments selected by: Goddard Space Flight centre (NASA)

Commisioned by: NASA

Constructed by: NASA

Owned by: NASA (and the ESA through NASA).

The ESA had no hand is its construction, design, design or development.

So your one of those uptight low life Aussies that have nothing better to do then to suck on Prozac and be a ignorant fool.
Actually I'm Canadian, nice try at a racial slur, though. Just when I thought my opinion of you couldn't possibly get any lower you come through with the goods and shock me further. You definitely deserve an (honourary) doctorate for that.

The reason I dipped that low is because you feel the need to do the same.
That hurts, I'm not a pigheaded, bigoted racist whose insecurity forces me to lie to complete strangers to make them think I'm intelligent.

But on a different subject, being you have no problems bashing someone for a pointless reason.
Far from pointless really, I bashed you because you mocked me. It was just convenient that you gave me plenty of ammunition.

jaden10
August 4th, 2005, 02:38 AM
You say that hurt, fine. But think about it, how does it feel to be judged when I don't know you? I was just going by something you said in another thread. How do I know your a 18 year old male from Australia? I don't, i have to go by what you said. And what also hurt is the fact that I busted my ass for over 10 years to get those pieces of paper. I don't really care for judging with out knowing someone. So I hope you now understand my attack on you.

Lord §okar
August 4th, 2005, 02:41 AM
Lol, I was being fecetious.

EDIT:
Here it is again:

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough:

Designed, developed and constructed by: Marshall Space Flight centre (NASA)

Electronics and instruments selected by: Goddard Space Flight centre (NASA)

Commisioned by: NASA

Constructed by: NASA

Owned by: NASA (and the ESA through NASA).

The ESA had no hand is its construction, design, design or development.

jaden10
August 4th, 2005, 02:50 AM
Yes sarcasim, I know it well.

Lord §okar
August 4th, 2005, 02:51 AM
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough:

Designed, developed and constructed by: Marshall Space Flight centre (NASA)

Electronics and instruments selected by: Goddard Space Flight centre (NASA)

Commisioned by: NASA

Constructed by: NASA

Owned by: NASA (and the ESA through NASA).

The ESA had no hand is its construction, design, design or development.
Stop evading.

jaden10
August 4th, 2005, 03:21 AM
Evading what? Your childish attempts of getting my Goat?
Sad thing is this, I won't let you get anywhere with me, think what you want, do what you want, say what you want, your nothing to me.

Lord §okar
August 4th, 2005, 03:29 AM
No, evading argument.

Let me racap;

You: Off the shelf products are not used by NASA, the Hubble Space Telescope contains a standard P233 processor.
Me: That's incongruent.
You: The Hubble was not made by NASA
Me: Yes it was, here's a mountain of proof.
You: Evasion followed by personal attack.
Me: Here's the proof again in case you didn't see it, going to reply yet?
You: Evasion.

You've made a contention, I'm arguing it and now the ball's back in your court, that's how it works. There's not a person here who can't see you're trying to avoid a debate with me, so how 'bout it?


Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough:

Designed, developed and constructed by: Marshall Space Flight centre (NASA)

Electronics and instruments selected by: Goddard Space Flight centre (NASA)

Commisioned by: NASA

Constructed by: NASA

Owned by: NASA (and the ESA through NASA).

The ESA had no hand is its construction, design, design or development.

By the way, the Hubble Space Telescope is operated by a 486 type processor from my research, a completely different architecture to the later Pentium and whose maximum clock was 66MHz (I used to own one).

jaden10
August 4th, 2005, 03:44 AM
You know what, I could offer you proof that would convince the most strict antanist, I could give you URLS and scans, Word DOC's and what not. But because you continue to attack me, I refuse to give you the pleasure of obviously stating that I either got it online, edited it and put my name on it, stole a copy of a PhD and edited it and typed me name or whatever. Your sole goal here it to make yourself feel bigger and better then anyone else. So what should I give you the pleasure? I won't. And you know what, if you feel the need to be a cad and a bragget, so be it, I won't feed into your delusions anymore. To everyone else, It's been a pleasure. Catch you all on the flip side.

Loaf
August 4th, 2005, 03:58 AM
You relay are a jerk 3 PHD's

you make smart people unpopular, why don't you crawl back to what ever deep hole or spacial rift you've come from an leave us all in peace

Lord §okar
August 4th, 2005, 04:07 AM
You know what, I could offer you proof that would convince the most strict antanist, I could give you URLS and scans, Word DOC's and what not. But because you continue to attack me, I refuse to give you the pleasure of obviously stating that I either got it online, edited it and put my name on it, stole a copy of a PhD and edited it and typed me name or whatever. Your sole goal here it to make yourself feel bigger and better then anyone else. So what should I give you the pleasure? I won't. And you know what, if you feel the need to be a cad and a bragget, so be it, I won't feed into your delusions anymore. To everyone else, It's been a pleasure. Catch you all on the flip side.
Utterly incredible. You'll do anything to avoid confronting me, won't you, including filling this thread with spurious nonsense escape attempts.

You relay are a jerk 3 PHD's
I've been posting here, not Three PhDs, apparently reading isn't your strong suit, either.

See here, Owen? I was attacked. I'll retaliate.
you make smart people unpopular, why don't you crawl back to what ever deep hole or spacial rift you've come from an leave us all in peace
From the sounds of you I doubt you've ever come into contact with any intelligent people. "Spacial rift", eh? Well done, go away.

Loaf
August 4th, 2005, 04:19 AM
i'm causeing as much greif as possible because i am :D

*various chokeing an evil laughs*

curse my idiotic up bringing (those are my last words)

nicedog
August 4th, 2005, 05:52 AM
Okay, we can settle this once and for all, Jarden,

What is your name , full out
Where did you get your PHD,
It would help to provide your residents as well but it's not crucial


I'll make some phone calls and we can fix this once and for all, as it comes with the top secret issue, that's not a problem,

If you can tell me which department you are working at, it would help too.

Lord §okar
August 4th, 2005, 06:09 AM
Not that I'd not like to know, but that doesn't matter anymore, I'd simply like to debate jaden about the empirical content of his messages (as, indeed, I did from the beginning).

Three PhDs
August 4th, 2005, 06:14 AM
What is wrong with you guys, are you stupid? You are ruining this whole forum with your nonsense, WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER TO YOU WHETHER JADEN HAS PHDS OR NOT! It does not effect you at all. It seems to me, that you have created this account for nothing but insulting Jaden and possibly immhotep. Personally, I find quoting a private message, so as to use it as ammunition against some one you may not like is despicable. I don't think I have ever said this to any forum member ever before, but we don't want you here, please leave. Don't leave because I have asked you to, leave because you are ruining this forum, you have done nothing but post insulting slanderous remarks. I really can't believe that anyone would do this, yet you are.

Please, if you are not going to appoligize, or post anything of general intrest AND STOP YOUR MINDLESS BANTER! Then LEAVE. It is people like you who ruin forums. jaden10 has done nothing to you, nor does the state of his educational achievments.

As for insulting the way I sign my name at the bottom of my posts, they are my posts and I choose to type my name, I don't care if you can see it at the begining, it is my way of finishing a post.

Owen Macri
Jaden10 is a fake. I take offence at fakes. Especially really bad ones that insult my friends. I do not call asking Jaden10 questions mindless banter. All of the things I've had to say in this forum have been inquisitive and high-brow. I've asked serious questions about the scientific aspects of Jaden10s posts, and I'm just waiting on serious scientific answers.

Three PhDs
August 4th, 2005, 06:29 AM
Actually the space craft isn't top secret, it just hasn't be told to the public yet, and as far as "classified" stuff, I can hint all I want.I doubt that very much, having had a military background having had to have signed the official secrets act and nondisclosure agreements for the tiniest of things, never mind secret spacecraft development. :rolleyes:


and 2, if NASA used off the shelf products, they most likely wouldn't be blowing up shuttles (sorry I needed to say that, it has been my opinion for a while). And if you remember that Faster, Cheaper, quicker crap they were saying, what do you think they used? It wasn't off the shelf products, It was stuff that was built with cheap ass products... And just to let you know, Intel and AMD have been bugging them as well as Microsoft, IBM, Cisco systems and a few other that I honestly don't remember, NASA's response. We have to design equipment that is far above and beyond anything you can make, but here is my question. If that was the case then why the hell are they using a Pentium chip for hubble (Pentium 233).A quick search of my own leads to countless pages detailing manufacturers providing off the shelf components to NASA for its many different projects.


But if you remember, Hubble was NOT a NASA Project.Yes it was. Working for them, I thought you'd at least get that right. Also, I mean... if it wasn't, why would you get so worked up in your previous post about asking them why a P233 was in it? You're not making any sense.


And why should you care if I have a PhD or not, it was asked by a couple of people, I answered honestly. So being that no matter what I say and what I do, you are going to resort to attacking me no matter what. As I said before it is only proving one thing, a serious lack of maturity.That's entirely not the case, as both myself and Lord Sokar have said. You go on and on about how qualified you are, but us two with our limited knowledge keep finding errors and inconsitencies in every post you make. We ask and ask and ask for you to go into more details about these great technologies you keep hinting at, or these "complex equations", but you always without fail sidestep the matter.


On a side note. I am going to sandbag for a while, only because I have had my fill of this, and I am choosing to ignore it from here on out, I suggest everyone the same. And you can talk about me in other forums until the cows come home, it makes not a damned bit of difference to me. CaioYou're doing what all fakers do when they get found out and confronted: "I've had enough of this, I'm leaving..." rather than just present a teensy bit of evidence in support of your original claim.


You know what, I could offer you proof that would convince the most strict antanist, I could give you URLS and scans, Word DOC's and what not. But because you continue to attack me, I refuse to give you the pleasure of obviously stating that I either got it online, edited it and put my name on it, stole a copy of a PhD and edited it and typed me name or whatever. Your sole goal here it to make yourself feel bigger and better then anyone else. So what should I give you the pleasure? I won't. And you know what, if you feel the need to be a cad and a bragget, so be it, I won't feed into your delusions anymore. To everyone else, It's been a pleasure. Catch you all on the flip side.

Yep, definitely running for the hills now he's been found out.

_Owen_
August 4th, 2005, 01:28 PM
Ok, just so you know all of your behaviour is against the forum rules I have tried to tell you, yet you do not listen, so I have alerted the forum managment (moderators, etc.). Please cease and desist this behaviour immediatly.

Owen Macri

David
August 4th, 2005, 02:24 PM
Let's keep from being snotty and condescending or those who are will be disciplined.

Clear?

_Owen_
August 4th, 2005, 03:00 PM
Thank you David. This fourm is for discussions of Stargate, not personal attacks, and it seems that that is what this thread has turned into.

Owen Macri

Three PhDs
August 4th, 2005, 03:09 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I haven't made personal attacks. All I have done is ask difficult questions, and asked them again if the person being asked avoids answering them. That, surely, is not a crime?

_Owen_
August 4th, 2005, 03:14 PM
The way you have gone about asking the questions, has been incredibly rude, and mean. If you must, you should ask these questions using the private messaging system, or e-mail, it says so in the forum rules. You have pulled several threads off topic already, that is also covered in the forum rules. Please if you must go about this bussiness, do it politley, no one should ever have to feel upset about anything.

Owen Macri

immhotep
August 4th, 2005, 03:35 PM
Ok i have been reading through some of the other posts in this section and 3PHD's post history and from what i can tell you have made absolutly no possitive impact on this forum whatsoever; you have gone from mindless insult to mindless insult regardless of what people have said or the way they have said it/misspelt it, you may be smart and have PHD's of a kellogs box but that doesnt mean that your right in making snide remarks about the posting style of members( a style many people use) or the way people on this forum react or respect those members.

in the thread i created you stated that owen technolbables to hide that he is incorrect, however no one is correct or incorrect, everyone on this forum has opinions, he agreed with me and so did others, you did not, i accept that, but that doesnt mean that you have the right to judge how we choose to ally ourselves in the forum;
for example while your sig quotes me in a bad light( i was tired and you were being irritating for lack of a better word), i stand by it, Owen is somebody who i respect when i come to this section of the forum as well as a friend and because he has proven that he is of good judgement when it come to theorys of his own and the judgement of others own theorys he is somebody who would be a good bet when it comes to deciding where one should agree/disagree, im not saying we shouldnt make him exepmt from mistake, and that we shouldnt debate, but if somebody want to agree with another person they should not be insulted publicly in a signiture for it.

david the opinion in the sig is open to judgement but the way it is displayed publicly to discredit me and owen is unjust, at the very least it should be reworded or edited.

3PHD, you have made it a crusade to impose your opinions or the knowledge of what those opinions are of this area of the forum, that is wrong from the outset IMO. i am foreign to yours and jaden10's personal quarells whatever they may be, but to keep making a fool out of this forums member to get back at them is not right, we all have a right to be here, have opinions and make freinds and stick by those friends where we see fit, owen and others have gain my respect over months of posting and some have taken that long to become people to dislike( no names) but you have apparently made many poeple unhappy and turn usually a fair minded and civil
forum in to a quagmire of hatered and retaliation against you.

all i ask is that your vendetta agianst poeple who your opinions differ from ends, so that this forum can return to the great place of knowledge sharing and discusion of the technolgy of stargate it has always been.
i have no actual power in the forum whatsoever, but the fact that you have attracted a mod mean that something has been done wrong on you part( but not only you) you must see that at least and it probebly mean you have been warned by PM or other mean,all i hope it that the peace returns soon......either by you realising that your doing wrong or by other means.
thank you for listening

immhotep

_Owen_
August 4th, 2005, 03:53 PM
Immhotep has said in a very long post, which was very well written by the way, what I have been trying to say, ever since this started, please, can you not, just end this and let this forum return to its' eternal glory. This should have been dealt with in private.

Thank you very much immhotep for all the wonderful things that you said about me.

Owen Macri

nicedog
August 4th, 2005, 04:54 PM
Hopefully yet doubtfully this discussion will discontinue.

3phd gave me a outlandish answer when I asked the difference but he admitted not being university schooled so I can live with that.

Now, this question is directed at others , What is the difference?

_Owen_
August 4th, 2005, 06:16 PM
Sorry, diffrence between what?

Owen Macri

Lord §okar
August 4th, 2005, 06:31 PM
3phd gave me a outlandish answer when I asked the difference but he admitted not being university schooled so I can live with that.
His answer sounded just right to me.

Immhotep has said in a very long post, which was very well written by the way, what I have been trying to say, ever since this started, please, can you not, just end this and let this forum return to its' eternal glory. This should have been dealt with in private.
This will be laid to rest as soon as jaden10 is ready. I and Three PhDs have made every attempt to engage him in discussion of his statements which he consistenly and not so masterfully weasels out from on every single occassion. You and immothep fail to see this, no doubt because you're stuck up on that high horse of interminable self riteousness.

_Owen_
August 4th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Would somebody please explain to me! The diffrence between what?!

Owen Macri

jaden10
August 4th, 2005, 10:17 PM
Thank you David, and Immhotep, Owen and everyone who has been witness to this display of immature behaviour. I know I didn't help, and for that It am deeply sorry for being a part of this display of 'stupidity'. Because I usually do not like being 'dogged' I usually shut up. If anyone wants my explaination as to who I am, where I work, what department and so on, Please as me in PM, I have never been too fond of giving that info in a public forum, only because I know there are low lives out there just waiting for information of that sort.

However there are certain things I CANNOT say, and will not say no matter what anyone does, I do have to limit certain things. As for 3phd's and Sokar I have half a mind to completely ignore you until the end of time because of your relentless 'attacks' and display of utter disrespect to this forum and the people who are trying to enjoy this forum.

To reinterate something that was said, no one is right or wrong about there theories in this thread, because of just that, they are theories, and theories are meant to be tested, and unless someone has hard proof of any theory being correct or incorrect we just have to go on that, Do I regret saying where I work and what I do? No, cause I am proud of it. Do I regret in responding to certain unnamed people, yeah. Cause I feel this whole flipping mess could have been avoided. But if anyone has ANYTHING to say to me on a personal level, please by all means pm me, so if this happens again I will NOT disrupt anymore threads. Thank you and good night.

_Owen_
August 5th, 2005, 05:49 PM
No problem Jaden, anytime.

Owen Macri

Three PhDs
August 6th, 2005, 01:00 PM
in the thread i created you stated that owen technolbables to hide that he is incorrect, however no one is correct or incorrect, everyone on this forum has opinions, he agreed with me and so did others, you did not, i accept that, but that doesnt mean that you have the right to judge how we choose to ally ourselves in the forumI already made it very clear in PM to you. I did not state that owen technobabbles to hide the fact that he is incorrect. I said that one of his posts was complete technobabble and that the way he was going about it suggested he was confident in his knowledge of something that was just being made up on the spot.

Please don't get that wrong again. This is why people think I'm rude and insulting, because they're reading something I see and taking a different meaning out of it.

jaden10
August 6th, 2005, 01:15 PM
So in short, the way you come off as being arrogent is pretty much the misunderstanding of how Owen comes off. OIC <mumbles under breath>

_Owen_
August 6th, 2005, 01:34 PM
Ok, for the very last time, technobabble is only technobabble to those who do not understand it. What I said actually means something, and believe it or not, I do know what I am talking about.

I would have to dissagree with you the reason people think you are rude and insulting is because you are.

Owen Macri

Three PhDs
August 6th, 2005, 02:34 PM
Ok, for the very last time, technobabble is only technobabble to those who do not understand it. What I said actually means something, and believe it or not, I do know what I am talking about.You were talking about improving the efficiency of some Atlantis tech through "rewriting subroutines" or something else like that when in truth it is a made up tech, with no grounding in modern or existing real life technology. With no training or experience on anything like the technology in question you went on to make some pretty specific statements about it.

If you don't believe me, have a look at the original post. (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=4404397#post4404397)

Your response was:

The basic subroutines controling power transfer and extraction from the zero point module throughout the city.Which is so vague it's pretty much meaningless. I mean, without intentionally trying to ridicule you, you've essentially said "We can make it more efficient by... making it more efficient." You haven't actually identified any problems and presented solutions, you've just thrown an obvious statement into the mix.


Custom crystiline strucures so we don't have a hundred of the big crystals they use in Goa'uld ships taking up a ton of room for no reason, by custom I mean in the shape of a wire or something like that.You haven't established why hundreds of crystals are a bad idea, or that they're even terribly inefficient. Nor have you established that wire shaped is the best shape for things to be, or why.

I don't mean to be rude, believe me I don't, it's just that when I read posts like that I see them for what they are... something Carter might say but something which doesn't really hold water on close inspection.

No offence mate, I do think you're very smart for your age but things like that post... I just say what I see.

_Owen_
August 6th, 2005, 03:38 PM
Actually everything I said makes perfect sense.

I will explain.


The basic subroutines controling power transfer and extraction from the zero point module throughout the city.

By this, I mean we will have to alter settings, programs of the computer. The computer controls the energy flow from the Zero Point Module to Atlantis' power grid. Normally it is set to extract, a significant amount of energy, seeing as the ZPM can provide a significant amount of energy. However a naquadah generator cannot provide as much so we would have to alter the program that controls the energy flow, so it extracts less energy, otherwise, it will be trying to extract energy faster than the naquadah generator can produce it. Is that understandable?


Custom crystiline strucures so we don't have a hundred of the big crystals they use in Goa'uld ships taking up a ton of room for no reason, by custom I mean in the shape of a wire or something like that.

Here I am saying if we made our own shaped crystals, we can have less excess crystal that is not taking up to much space rather than very large crystals, just stuck together, that take up extraspace and are not needed.

Is this also understandable? If not I will have to make a picture, because I am not sure how to explain it in more detail.

I guarantee you it makes sense, and is not "technobabble" as you would consider it, meaning nothing.

Owen Macri

Three PhDs
August 6th, 2005, 04:23 PM
By this, I mean we will have to alter settings, programs of the computer. The computer controls the energy flow from the Zero Point Module to Atlantis' power grid. Normally it is set to extract, a significant amount of energy, seeing as the ZPM can provide a significant amount of energy. However a naquadah generator cannot provide as much so we would have to alter the program that controls the energy flow, so it extracts less energy, otherwise, it will be trying to extract energy faster than the naquadah generator can produce it. Is that understandable?Fair enough, but I don't see how it will change anything. It's like having a computer with a slow PCI bus and a fast processor. Slowing down the processor won't make the machine more efficient.


Here I am saying if we made our own shaped crystals, we can have less excess crystal that is not taking up to much space rather than very large crystals, just stuck together, that take up extraspace and are not needed.

Is this also understandable? If not I will have to make a picture, because I am not sure how to explain it in more detail.How do we know any of the crystal is excess? If it is, why haven't the Goa'uld or anyone else using the technology not realised this and reduced the amount used?


I guarantee you it makes sense, and is not "technobabble" as you would consider it, meaning nothing.

Owen MacriAye, mebbe, but see the questions I've asked.

_Owen_
August 6th, 2005, 04:28 PM
Ok, we should really be disscussion this in the appropriate thread, so I am just going to continue over there because we are way off topic.

Owen Macri

Three PhDs
August 6th, 2005, 04:49 PM
Oh, my apologies, I didn't realise this was the wrong thread. Perhaps a mod could move the appropriate posts over (and delete this one when they're done?)

_Owen_
August 6th, 2005, 05:45 PM
Yes, that is alright, I didn't notice either!

Owen Macri

jaden10
August 6th, 2005, 07:05 PM
I am going to say something and it isn't taking sides.

Before I start, Technobabble is just technology talk that people don't understand, Look at when you get a bunch of Computer Techs together, you have someone who is either a mac user (no offence mac lovers, I own one) or someone who just doesn't know anything, and they say "what is this technobabble?" or you see them getting a headache.
While I won't say that all of it means something, most of it to the enlightened means alot. However I will be the first to say, some words are just unnecessaraly long.
Now on to the rest.

I do agree with Marci about changing subroutines, it has been proven that changing subroutines on dynamic hardware can increase efficency or decrease. Be it crystals or silcon, and it is also evident with todays CPU's (CPU,s GPU's, Chipsets and so on) you need specific subroutines to access the power saving features, hyperthreading, MMX, 3DNOW, SSE, SSE 2 and so on.

As in terms of doing it with Crystals, I have no clue, unless it is a deep dark secret in a hidden division of this world, there are no known application in computers systems (the whole array) with crystals except for setting a frequency and the quarts used in clocks.

And it is resonable to surmise that the Atlantias forsaw the possability of a ZPM running low on power and I would also surmise that they would have some sort of power saving mode to reduce power usage, Do we know for sure? Nope, it is ok to surmise? Sure, cause it would make sense.
Look at Atlantis when the expadition team arrived, yes Weir put the city to sleep and janus set it up to come back to life when they arrived, but that right there is a demonstration of power saving via subroutines.

And I agree (for once) with 3phds, How do we know any of the crystal is excess? We don't. Do we know how they work? I can only guess holographic cause that is what alot of storage companies are working on, it is incredibly fast and the possability of size is larger then anything I can think of..

But it stands to reason that a race as advanced at both the Goa'uld and Atlantians would use some sort of compression or high density storage that all the information that can be stored can be done on a smaller crystal unless they use the entire crystal to store data (which would hold a ungodly amount of data by our standards) or use it as come sort of translation matrix (I am grabbing for straws here) or even have a built in redundency on the same crystal. It's anyones guess.


I am no expert in crystal growth, short of putting a stick in sugar water and making my own sugary treats, but you may run into a issue with making crystals in the shape of a wire may prove to be more trouble then it is worth. Crystals by nature are fragile, yes some can take a beating, but something that small could conceivably shatter or fracture with little or no help, it's own weight could fracture it, I think that is why when you see all the crystals on a Goa'uld ship or something made by the Atlantians they are thick long crystals so they can endure there own weight. And I would hope that they would be intellegent enough to use all that excess space for data storage.

(You haven't established why hundreds of crystals are a bad idea, or that they're even terribly inefficient.)

Marci, I don't think having a lot of crystals are a bad idea, one thing it was said in one of the last episodes of season 1 of Atlantis, that those computers are incredibly redundant, it a sense it is a massive Raid 0 setup where each drive stores the same thing incase one drive fails, that will prevent any data loss. I would belive that being the Goa'uld are nothing but theives that they used that same premise, back it up.

And efficientcy isn't a issue, as I mentioned before, Crystals used with holographic storage (no we don't know if that is how they use them, I am going on with what I have read in the past about what the drive industry is going for) is insanly fast by todays standards, and incredibly dense with how much you can store. I personally think that storing on Crystals is the best thing do to if you want speed and storage capability, however they can break easier then normal chip/platter storage.

Three PhDs
August 6th, 2005, 07:25 PM
I am going to say something and it isn't taking sides.

Before I start, Technobabble is just technology talk that people don't understand, Look at when you get a bunch of Computer Techs together, you have someone who is either a mac user (no offence mac lovers, I own one) or someone who just doesn't know anything, and they say "what is this technobabble?" or you see them getting a headache.
While I won't say that all of it means something, most of it to the enlightened means alot. However I will be the first to say, some words are just unnecessaraly long.
Now on to the rest.

I do agree with Marci about changing subroutines, it has been proven that changing subroutines on dynamic hardware can increase efficency or decrease. Be it crystals or silcon, and it is also evident with todays CPU's (CPU,s GPU's, Chipsets and so on) you need specific subroutines to access the power saving features, hyperthreading, MMX, 3DNOW, SSE, SSE 2 and so on.I think I now realise my point of contention, and it's that "Changing the subroutines" is so general it can mean anything. Seriously. It's like if I was to say I was going to "Performance tune my car". That could mean anything depending on what make, model etc... it could also mean that I'm simply gonna take some of the crap out of the boot (trunk for you Americans) of my car to decrease its mass and hence improve my acceleration.

jaden10
August 6th, 2005, 07:36 PM
Yes changing the subroutines is very general. But it is typically used in computer terms.

Three PhDs
August 6th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Yes changing the subroutines is very general. But it is typically used in computer terms.Fair enough, I just prefer when discussing a specific subject or matter to use specific terms. Discussing something in detail using general and vague terms... kinda defeats the point of doing so.

jaden10
August 6th, 2005, 07:57 PM
While I do agree with that statement, cause with science you have to be specific, HOWEVER not everyone subscribes to that way of thinking. And that is where a problem comes in. I *try* to be as specific as possable, but as some have recently seen, my way of being specific is either not good enough or too much. Since then I have learned that I need to 'throttle down' from what I say and how I say it.

In Defense of Marci, for his age he is intellegent but also he isn't no where as experienced as some others, that comes with age.

But also there are people on here who knows Physics and Quantum physics, and then you have people who couldn't understand if it was explained to them like a 3 year old (no offense). And there are even issues between people who understand Physics and Quantum Physics, they are on completely different levels of understanding. So lets just say this, while it may cause issues, lets take the time to explain what we mean on the level of what someone who may not understand. While it does feel good to explain on the levels that *we* may understand without explaination, we have to remember that not everyone can or will comprehend what we are saying at times.

And none of what I just said is meant to demean or 'stupify' anyone. Nor was it meant to start a heated debate.

Three PhDs
August 6th, 2005, 08:26 PM
Well for the purposes of clarity I prefer my physics without any dumbing down and without any *unfounded* conjecture.

jaden10
August 6th, 2005, 09:55 PM
Well for the purposes of clarity I prefer my physics without any dumbing down and without any *unfounded* conjecture.

While I understand that. You may have to (or not if you prefer) understand that we have people visiting this thread who either are new to Stargate (or any other sci-fi for that matter) who may want to understand the technology the best they can, or someone who may be interested in the physics part of it but may not understand the language. For one I have no problem explaining in detail what a hyperdrive is and the theory behind it. And I know that not everyone may know what subspace or a hyperdrive generator is, or a ION generator, or beaming technology and numerious other things. And I have no intention of letting someone dangle when they want to honestly know what such and such is. If you want to talk with out "dumbing down with *unfounded* conjecture" that is your perogative, but I for one have no intention of letting someone who wants to know flop around like a fish in this thread area without helping them if they so choose. Call me what you want, but that is how I feel. And I think I am not the only one with that stance.

jaden10
August 6th, 2005, 10:24 PM
[QUOTE=Lord §okar]As someone who has a PhD in Quantum Mechanics I can explain in detail.
The reason that the matter doesn't automaticly reintegrate is because of one special reason. SUBSPACE. Just because subspace is VASTLY and EXTREMELY faster then normal space, there still is travel time. no matter where you gate to. Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit, but because we haven't advanced far enough to utilize it we do not know the maximum speed is.
By "subspace" what are you referring to, by "faster" than normal space, what are you referring to?

By subspace, I am referring to a theorized layer of space that is not in our dimension, by faster then normal space, I mean the speed of light is not the top speed. How fast are we talking, I have no clue. But as I just said before it is "Theorized" meaning we have NO PROOF of such a place.

_Owen_
August 6th, 2005, 11:06 PM
Subspace would not necesarily have to work this way. Instead of the speed of light not being the maximum veloctiy, subspace would just be faster than normal space, relative to speeds in normal space. Think, how do we measure speeds? We divide the distance by the amount of time elapsed during the journey, so one example would be Miles/Hour we can always reduce the fraction. so instead of 2000 lightyears per 30 seconds, we could say, four thousand lightyears per minute, or one thousand light years per second, etc. Ok, a little off topic.

So anyways, if one distance in subspace was equal to a larger distance in normal space, you would be able to acheive faster than light speeds relative to normal space. So 100 kiiometers in subspace might equal 1000 km in normal space, so if you travel at a constant speed of 100 km/h in subsapce, with is well below the speed of light, you would be traveling the equivilent of 1000 km/h even though you aren't actually.

This could be achieved if subspace was smaller than normal space, but stretched to fit the same outside dimensions of normal space. I actually made a picture to for another thread. (It is actually an example of hyperspace but theoretically in subspace, it is so small, subspace actually has to stretch to fit anything into it, therefore, you occupy every point in subspace at the same time, so therefore you are occupying every position in normal space, but not actually in normal space. Therefore you could enter and immediatly exit subspace, and travel to any point anywhere in the universe, instantaneously, if not instantly. So if you were to travel a billion lightyears through space, but go through subspace, you would be traveling at very near a billion lightyears a second, which is significantly faster than light, however you did not actually break the speed of light barrier because you were always moving at near zero km/h. So, relative to normal space you can travel faster than light. But the incredibly important word, is relative.

Here is the picture, click the thumbnail to enlarge it.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7783/hyper7ge.th.png (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hyper7ge.png)

Owen Macri

jaden10
August 6th, 2005, 11:17 PM
While yes that is a VERY plausible theory, I have to disagree on one point, there is no proof that subspace is smaller then normal space. Then again there is no proof that it isn't. But for arguments sake say this.
Space is infinite (to our knowledge of the expanding universe theory). So wouldn't it stand to reason that subspace is just the same size as normal space.

Here is my theory (tell me what you think).
Subspace isn't restrained by the "normal" laws of physics, where that ever so important drop of fuel is needed to pass light speed won't drop cause of the near stoppage of time. I am willing to say that if subspace does exist like stargate shows, then the laws of physics that we know of don't apply. And that speed doesn't have a terminal velocity as low as normal space. However I still apply to the warp field theory. (Really off topic, but relevent)

_Owen_
August 6th, 2005, 11:50 PM
That is also possible, however subspace must be goverened by some natural laws. Perhaps the speed of light barrier does not exist but that would require subspace to have absolutly no time, technically I am sitting is spacetime, and the technical term for subspace should be subspacetime, but for there to be no light barrier time would have to not exist. If time did not exist, well, it would be very likley nothing would be able to happen subspace would not be able to exist without time, I really don't know what would happen but I don't think subspace would be able to exist at all without time. Because truthfully, everything is time, I am able to type this message, and you are able to read it because of time.

I believe Albert Einstein said, time is the only thing that stops everything from happening all at once.

So bassically to break the lightspeed barrier you would need infinite energy, and for it not to exist time would also need to not exist.

I have changed my mind I don't believe that your theory could be possible.

Owen Macri

jaden10
August 6th, 2005, 11:59 PM
While I do know where your coming from and it is a arguement for the ages, there have been a few Scientists who have come up with a theory, thank to Startrek no less, about warp bubbles. Now I know warp bubbles and subspace are 2 different things, but they both are suppose to give you the same thing, however subspace travel is oh so much quicker. The scientists said that to beat the FTL issue with not being able to get that precious drop of fuel is to create a bubble of space time around the ship in question (which if you think about it, it's all too different then subspace travel) and that bubble would keep normal space near and around the ship while propelling the bubble and ship beyond the speed of light, now of course you would need a master of warp bubbles and/or space time and a very strong power sourse, but some scientists in europe kinda solves that by creating a billion anti hydrogen atoms and put them with some hydrogen atoms, and created (for 1/1 trillionth of a second) a matter anti-matter reactor. So creating the power source isn't the issue anymore, keeping the anti-hydrogen or whatever you chose to use stable enough to exist in some sort of containment pod for usage, now while this may seem to go in a different direction of subspace travel, it really isn't.



ALL BOW AND WORSHIP AT THE ALTER OF RODDENBERRY

_Owen_
August 7th, 2005, 12:54 AM
Yes, the Warp drive is quite diffrent, I had posted about it in another thread, here is the post.



The scientists name is Migel Alcubierre. The Alcubierre Drive is also known as the Warp Drive, and is a solution for Einsteins' equations to disallow faster than light speed travel.

This is the website: (It is actually a wikipedia article)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

and this is a picture of the Warp bubble, or Alcubierre bubble:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Warp_drive.jpg

As you can see, the space infront of the craft is condensed and the space behind the craft is streatched.

Owen Macri

It is commonly recognized as the Warp drive but is actually called the Alcubierre Drive. It was theorized by Migel Alcubierre. I works on the concept that you would not be moving faster than light, space would.

Owen Macri

jaden10
August 7th, 2005, 12:58 AM
Yes, and honestly from a scientific standpoint, it is more practicle and feesable then subspace, because we know we can create a warp bubble sooner or later, subspace (if it does exist) will be a bit harder.

Lord §okar
August 7th, 2005, 03:56 AM
As for 3phd's and Sokar I have half a mind to completely ignore you until the end of time because of your relentless 'attacks' and display of utter disrespect to this forum and the people who are trying to enjoy this forum.
What can I say, if you can't stand heat don't light fires. This glib retort applies to 99% of your statement but I will balk incredulously at this constant mention of "respect". You've demonstrated no quality deserving of respect.

But if anyone has ANYTHING to say to me on a personal level, please by all means pm me, so if this happens again I will NOT disrupt anymore threads. Thank you and good night.
I have nothing to say on a personal level. I'd like to pick up where we left off with our discussion.

At my last visit we were at your claim that the Hubble is not a NASA satellite, you were about to try your hand at rebutting this seemingly holeproof evidence to the contrary:


Designed, developed and constructed by: Marshall Space Flight centre (NASA)

Electronics and instruments selected by: Goddard Space Flight centre (NASA)

Commisioned by: NASA

Constructed by: NASA

Owned by: NASA (and the ESA through NASA).

The ESA had no hand is its construction, design, design or development.
As before, how 'bout it?

So in short, the way you come off as being arrogent is pretty much the misunderstanding of how Owen comes off. OIC
Unless you want further discrediting, ridicule and lambasting I suggest you refrain from comments like that.

Technobabble is just technology talk that people don't understand
No. Technobabble (pseudoscience for technology) is sciency sounding terms being used to describe thoroughly nonsense concepts, like subspace.

and then you have people who couldn't understand if it was explained to them like a 3 year old (no offense)
I'm curious, why should be take offense at that?

For one I have no problem explaining in detail what a hyperdrive is and the theory behind it.
I'd very much like to hear that, would you start a new thread about exactly how fictional technologies work?

[By subspace, I am referring to a theorized layer of space that is not in our dimension, by faster then normal space, I mean the speed of light is not the top speed. How fast are we talking, I have no clue. But as I just said before it is "Theorized" meaning we have NO PROOF of such a place.]
Really? To the best of my knowledge "subspace" is a nonsense term invented by Star Trek, could you point me in the direction of some references that mention it in a serious scientific context?

Speed of light does not change between dimensions. That's just ludicrous. Light is moving through extra spatial dimensions all the time and then back into our standard 3 and its velocity doesn't change.

While yes that is a VERY plausible theory, I have to disagree on one point, there is no proof that subspace is smaller then normal space.
Um, the extra spatial dimensions that you say "subspace" represents are also theorized to be curled up into a ball less than an angstrom in diameter.

Now I know warp bubbles and subspace are 2 different things, but they both are suppose to give you the same thing, however subspace travel is oh so much quicker.
Subspace is not "faster" than warp drive, nor vice versa. This is true because subspace is pure fiction. That you speak of it as a real, plausible concept is disturbing.

_Owen_
August 7th, 2005, 10:01 AM
Ok, Lord Sokar, this disscussion is over. Two moderators of this forum, have posted in this section to stop this nonsense, and BOTH have clearly stated that it is against the rules. Now if you wouldn't mind, please stop continuing this discussion or I will be forced to report you to the moderators.

Owen Macri

Three PhDs
August 7th, 2005, 12:02 PM
Ok, Lord Sokar, this disscussion is over. Two moderators of this forum, have posted in this section to stop this nonsense, and BOTH have clearly stated that it is against the rules. Now if you wouldn't mind, please stop continuing this discussion or I will be forced to report you to the moderators.

Owen MacriWould you mind if we started a new thread to discuss differences of opinion on technological matters?

jaden10
August 7th, 2005, 03:20 PM
I have no problem discussing differences in opinion when it come to technology, but there are a few ground rules, No belittling, no "cornering" to get a answer, no gloating if you feel you are correct. and ABSOLUTLY no out and out "picking on people". We are all mature people that should act as such, and I have no problems calling david up and going on a ***** fest if ANY of this starts.

_Owen_
August 7th, 2005, 05:49 PM
No, you may start a thread, but it must be in off-topic, seeing as it does not relate to Stargate Science and or Technology.

And please, no profanity, there are younger people who should be able to view this board too.

Owen Macri

jaden10
August 7th, 2005, 05:50 PM
Actually Owen I disagree.
1. If we keep the technologies limited to The Stargate Universe it can stay in this thread.

2.This site has profanity filters, so there isn't a worry about profanity. And anyways Owen, like you I bet most of the kids that view this site hear stuff 10x worse then any of us adults can come up with. And I seriously doubt you have virgin ears when it comes to that aspect... :p

_Owen_
August 7th, 2005, 06:03 PM
If the technologies stay limited to the Stargate universe, very well you may start a thread in this section.

I know, I hear stuff like that all of the time, I was just considering other younger members, that may be very offended.

Owen Macri

jaden10
August 7th, 2005, 06:42 PM
Owen, Not to come off as a prick, but when did you get to decide on what is talked about in this area?

_Owen_
August 7th, 2005, 06:44 PM
I didn't decide, this is the Science and Tech section, in the Stargate part of the forum. We are only supposed to discuss Science and Technology relating to Stargate.

Owen Macri

Lord §okar
August 7th, 2005, 06:59 PM
but there are a few ground rules, No belittling, no "cornering" to get a answer, no gloating if you feel you are correct.
Don't presume to impose rules on me, whether it comes to any of those ^^ is entirely up to you.

We are all mature people that should act as such, and I have no problems calling david up and going on a ***** fest if ANY of this starts.
Be still my heart.

No, you may start a thread, but it must be in off-topic, seeing as it does not relate to Stargate Science and or Technology.
It relates to stargate intrinsically and this forum is filled with things that have nothing to do with stargate:
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=15245
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=12799
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=15013
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=14910
...just in the time that I've been here. Well, this account's existed since the board first opened but I've only started using it when a Science section was created.

jaden10
August 7th, 2005, 07:06 PM
Talk about a arrogent Diety complex

Lord §okar
August 7th, 2005, 07:16 PM
Which part would that be, the rebuking of presumer number 1 or 2? For people on a discussion forum you're all frightfully long winded. I have been unable to get a decent debate out of anyone except Owen, the rest would rather lay down ground rules providing an easy escape clause from a doomed argument if things get too warm for your comfort, weasel out of an impending confrontation altogether or get pushed over in one post.

Where's the discussion, people? I'm rearing to go, won't anybody see me?

_Owen_
August 8th, 2005, 07:38 PM
Yes, I am aware of the other threads, and I have objected in one, however, at the thought of protesting in the rest, I thought, what good will it do, it is unlikley a moderator will move the threads seeing as they are still here. As well, the user cannot move the thread. As well, they aren't hurting anyone, I don't think, so since they are already there, just leave them in peace. However, what we should do is try to stop further off topic discussion from begining. If a man murders another man, and in turn is arested and sentenced to death, who does it help? The victim will still be dead, the victims' family will still be saddened, not to mention another life was taken, and that murderer has now become the victim. All that will come from this is more saddness and more loss of life. Oh, the irony.

The reason criminals are prosecuted are because most of the world cannot release their primitive instinct for revenge, what does revenge accomplish? I will answer for all those who cannot, nothing.

Owen Macri

jaden10
August 8th, 2005, 08:33 PM
I guess the reason I will no longer debate anything is for a few reasons that I have seen first hand.

1. No matter what proof, evidence or whatever, you don't accept it as the truth even if it is published and agreed on world wide.
2. You bring the debates to a personal level hoping to get a reaction from whom ever you single out. And honestly, I have no intentions of feeding into your ego or whatever you call it, and this also goes for anyone else who wants to try it.

If you don't agree with anyone's statement or what they believe to be the truth, fine. But don't turn it into a debate that you know may or will turn into a very heated discussion. I'm tired of it. I am 31 years old, I do NOT have time for this childish bullcrap. I know what the truth is, I work with the truth that I know, now if that doesn't "jive" with you, so be it, I am not here to make people happy, I am here to discuss STARGATE TECHNOLOGY which is SCIENCE FICTION which also means most of what you see in SG DOES NOT EXIST YET OR EVER. So getting into a argument over technology that doesn't exist yet or will never exist yet is pure insanity. We all have theories on how it works, and honestly some of the theories I have read and see, are damned good. But that is all it is. So instead of pissing people off and making possible enemies that I am sure you don't care about, why don't we just discuss in a peaceful way, cause any other way is just uncivilized.


And PS what I do for a living is not to be debated or argued about, I don't say anything about your vocation, so leave mine out of it, I was asked a question and I told the truth, as far as I am concerned it is a dead subject not be revisited, any revisitation will be met with utter silence and lack of acknowledgement. Any issues with this, all I can say is oh well, your problem not mine.

Lord §okar
August 8th, 2005, 09:06 PM
I guess the reason I will no longer debate anything is for a few reasons that I have seen first hand.
That implies you did in the first place.

1. No matter what proof, evidence or whatever, you don't accept it as the truth even if it is published and agreed on world wide
You wouldn't know.

2. You bring the debates to a personal level hoping to get a reaction from whom ever you single out. And honestly, I have no intentions of feeding into your ego or whatever you call it, and this also goes for anyone else who wants to try it.
Incorrect, you bring the debates to a personal level when you tell people they are unequipped to debate you because they have no PhDs. Shock horror, someone called your bluff and, worse, insulted you back.

And honestly, I have no intentions of feeding into your ego or whatever you call it,
Yes you do, every time you run away you flatter my ego because we both know you'll lose a confrontation just as we both know you don't have those PhDs nor any kind of physics education (being a proponent of toxic pseudoscience gives it away).

I am 31 years old, I do NOT have time for this childish bullcrap.
You seemed to have time before you were stripped of your credibility.

So instead of pissing people off and making possible enemies that I am sure you don't care about, why don't we just discuss in a peaceful way, cause any other way is just uncivilized.
Good thought, why ever didn't I think of that? Wait a tick, I did. I've been trying to have a debate about the empirical contant of your posts for almost a page now but you keep diverting the attention back to yourself!

Good heavens, the truth just hit me like a bolt of lightning; you're a troll (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/troller.htm). Yours is classic trolling behaviour mingled with blowhard (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/blowhard.htm) and a bit of ego (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/ego.htm).

The one way to deal with a troll is not to feed him and hope he'll go find a bridge to live under. You can keep all your thoughts to yourself unless you plan to respond on topic.

_Owen_
August 8th, 2005, 09:15 PM
HEY! No personal attacks, please edit your post to comply with forum rules.

Owen Macri

Lord §okar
August 8th, 2005, 09:19 PM
The post of his that started this mess was a putrid personal attack, where were you then? Praising him, that's where.

_Owen_
August 8th, 2005, 09:26 PM
I am talking to both of you, allthough jaden10s' post does not seemingly insult you in any way shape or form if I have missed something please correct me. As for where I was, I only entered the thread after you had posted too. Now please edit your posts to comply with forum rules.

Owen Macri

David
August 8th, 2005, 09:44 PM
Let's all take a time-out folks -- I suggest you take a break and visit the FAQ. If you can't obey forum rules about treatment to your fellow forum members then perhaps you shouldn't be here. There are plenty of other places on the Web where you can mistreat someone.

Madeleine
August 9th, 2005, 09:44 PM
Since David's last post there have been nine posts, all OT, all continuing the bickering. I've just discovered a way to delete multiple posts in the time it takes to delete a single one :D so I'm in a much better mood than I'd expected to be after so many deletions ;)

But the thread is closed as it seems that no one wants to use it for its original purpose.