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July 11th, 2005, 03:41 PM
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Sheppard and his team attempt to locate Lieutenant Ford, only to find themselves captives of a former soldier who is being hunted by the Wraith.

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briguy213
July 29th, 2005, 06:56 PM
YAY... Ford is back. I cant wait to see what happens with the runner.

Bobthespirit
July 29th, 2005, 07:01 PM
Things are looking up for season two. Ronon is a cool character (Though maybe a little too deliberately so). And, it takes damn good acting to make a cliche not look like one.

I also find it interesting to see Ford balance his clear instability with his wish to prove his worth to Atlantis. He feels nigh-invincible at the moment and probably thinks he can kill all the wraithe singlehandedly.

It'll be interesting to see how both plotlines play out.

My only criticism of this episode is that the whole setup to bring Ronon to Atlantis seemed a tad too deliberate. But it hasn't got me constantly eye-rolling like the Ori.

IMForeman
July 29th, 2005, 07:04 PM
Another fantastic episode this night. Stargate goodness abounds.

-IMF

kharn the betrayer
July 29th, 2005, 07:07 PM
OMG I love Ford in this episode

great from beggining to end



I cant make a desision on Ronon though...... he seems cool but i will wait a few episodes

woodsie22
July 29th, 2005, 07:09 PM
Another good episode - I liked that some of Ford's personality showed through his instability.

I'm really looking forward to next week's episode - but the choice of clips in the promos/previews so far has been... interesting - brief and not very comprehensive (actually, this is probably good, as it gives nothing away).

Lt. Elliot
July 29th, 2005, 07:09 PM
Runner was awesome. Another hit for Atlantis!

*Ford was back! Still the same little kid from Season 1, except for the violent outbusts.
*Major Lorne and Rodney...Lorne could be a good character
*JM did a good job as Ronan Dex, I like the character a lot and the glimpse into his past
*I MISS FORD! ANd seeing him cracking jokes and still worrying about Atlantis makes me happy!!

This episode just rocked! Totally 9/10. BUT I cannot wait for Duet, which could be SGA's Window of Opportunity.

SciFiGeek
July 29th, 2005, 07:09 PM
I almost hate to say this, since I think, 9 times out of 10, a show's creator usually writes some of a series best episodes; but if this is how he's going to write McKay, I hope RCC doesn't do anymore episodes.

I like the series overall, but if McKay is written poorly, I have a hard time with an episode. I think the characterization of McKay requires the careful toeing of a line that is far too easily crossed, as demonstrated both by this episode and Sanctuary (which also had the misfortune of complete miswriting the character of Sheppard, IMO). And this episode not only crossed the line, it barreled full-throttle out of sight, to the point that I was cringing at almost every one of his scenes. I think McKay is good when he's as endearing in his own respect as he is whiny, and that there's something to compensate for his overbearing personality. I felt the episode failed to acknowledge the character progression over the last year or so and regressed his back to his 48 Hours days.

Other than that, I thought it was fair; Ronen Dex has more potential for depth than Ford (no offense to RSF; I just think the character was never very strongly written or established). And I liked Beckett, at least... I was actually also enjoying Teyla practicing diplomacy with Ronen; I think it could be a good character trait exercised and developed for her.

But overall, I'm feeling to annoyed by the writing of McKay, so I intend to store this episode away along with Sanctuary in the "let us never speak of it again" category.

Did other McKay fans feel this way, or am I alone in my thinking?

Arative
July 29th, 2005, 07:12 PM
RSF was great in this episode, I mean you could see the conflict in Ford. One moment, this crazy, gung-ho solider that wants to take on the Wraith single handed and the next moment, you could see the happy go lucky Ford from last season. I think its a brilliant direction to take Ford and give him some depth that was sorely lacking last season.

I'm also interested in what they will do with Ronon. He seems to be a tough guy, basically a fighter but I hope the writers add some depth to him. Mckay seemed to whine too much this episode for my tastes about the only thing I didn't like about this episode.

DANIquinn
July 29th, 2005, 07:13 PM
I loved Ford in this episode. RSF is a great actor. I aslo liked Ronan, but I think I'll wait a few eps before making a definite decision. I'll agree though that McKay was poorly written, at least in the beginning. The second half of the ep he got better. Overall though, a great ep, which makes two for two this week.

smushybird
July 29th, 2005, 07:15 PM
Is Duet still next week? I couldn't tell anything from the preview.

Tonight's ep was lovely and funny. I was glad to see more of the snarky old McKay and his interactions with Ford were telling, sweet, and amusing. He was less than brave tonight (as compared with how he dealt with Kolya) but under the circumstances, I don't blame him. Exhausted, scared, and he didn't really want to shoot Ford....

I like Dex for now...as long as he doesn't take too much screen time away from Sheppard and McKay.

I did miss the Sheppard and McKay banter tonight. :(

Excali5033
July 29th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Did other McKay fans feel this way, or am I alone in my thinking?

To an extent. The whole radiation suit was a bit much, but I didn't think he was as bad in this one as when he hit the magazine eject in Seige III. Point and click interface, Rodney, you should have the hang of that at least. :b

Sindet
July 29th, 2005, 07:27 PM
All I can say is, what the hell are they doing to McKay's character? Was it really necessary to turn him into some sort of clownish comic relief? I'm incredibly disappointed. He's my favorite character, and his development in S1 was wonderful. Now he's just a cartoon caricature, whiny and hapless. I just don't get it.

Dave'sFan
July 29th, 2005, 07:28 PM
I don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but did anyone notice when McKay had the radiation suite on he complained that he was hot, but when he removed the helmet you could see his breath? (newbie here, please be kind)

Sindet
July 29th, 2005, 07:30 PM
I almost hate to say this, since I think, 9 times out of 10, a show's creator usually writes some of a series best episodes; but if this is how he's going to write McKay, I hope RCC doesn't do anymore episodes.

I like the series overall, but if McKay is written poorly, I have a hard time with an episode. I think the characterization of McKay requires the careful toeing of a line that is far too easily crossed, as demonstrated both by this episode and Sanctuary (which also had the misfortune of complete miswriting the character of Sheppard, IMO). And this episode not only crossed the line, it barreled full-throttle out of sight, to the point that I was cringing at almost every one of his scenes. I think McKay is good when he's as endearing in his own respect as he is whiny, and that there's something to compensate for his overbearing personality. I felt the episode failed to acknowledge the character progression over the last year or so and regressed his back to his 48 Hours days.

[snippage]

But overall, I'm feeling to annoyed by the writing of McKay, so I intend to store this episode away along with Sanctuary in the "let us never speak of it again" category.

Did other McKay fans feel this way, or am I alone in my thinking?

I agree with you whole-heartedly. The broad slapstick is stupid, it's making McKay look stupid, and I hate it.

McKay is hilarious when he's not being used as comic relief. The comic relief thing is just painful. I wish they would stop it. I cringed with the clip-ejecting moment in "Siege III", and with the transporter moment in "Intruder", and now, practically with this entire episode. What happened to the McKay from "Brotherhood" or even "38 Minutes"?

The rest of the ep was okay, but it was completely overshadowed by my disappointment.

Sindet

not so ancient
July 29th, 2005, 07:32 PM
I also find it interesting to see Ford balance his clear instability with his wish to prove his worth to Atlantis. He feels nigh-invincible at the moment and probably thinks he can kill all the wraithe singlehandedly.

This is an excellent observation.

My heart breaks for Ford: he's himself one minute, and he's homicidal the next. He's joking with McKay but shooting Atlantis troopers. Rainbow has this wonderfully expressive face and sometimes the horror of what he does goes right across his features.

I think Ford really believes he can kill Wraith and save Atlantis. But then, he's not really...Ford... anymore, so he seems to just enjoy killing.

I like Dex.

I thought this episode felt a bit choppy. It just didn't quite hang together right.

I also think they're playing McKay's whinging up to the detriment of the character.

I wonder what the point of next week's episode is besides "Dex gets settled into Atlantis." The previews didn't seem to reveal much of a plotline besides that, and a character story is just a vignette, not a story, not an episode. It was not the best preview.

Merlin7
July 29th, 2005, 07:33 PM
So so ep for me.
Rainbow did a great job. I like Ronon other than the obligatory Teyla/Ronon momets. Their chat, which I knew was coming and practically recited before them. Her ripping open his shirt so to speak. ::eye roll::. Ronon being so tough he doesn't need to be knocked out and then he can get up and kick butt against Ford. Meh moments. But I liked him and his backstory otherwise.

Laughed at the way too few McShep moments.

I liked the Caldwell and Shep interaction. Caldwell was cold, but it was good character moments for Shep.

Liked Shep's NON reassurances to Carson.

Liked Ford and Rodney interaction.

Did not like the Major dude. He was tyring to hard to be Shep and play the lines like Joe does. Wrong. Hated his scenes with Rodney.

This ep finally DID cross the line with Rodney. I found it amusing in SIEGE and even INTRUDER. The moments were brief. But Rodney's characterization was all over the map. So far his only recognizable moments this ep were the brief interactions with Shep and a few of his moments with Ford. I am HOPING, and I'm not even a Rodney fan, that TPTB are setting up that Rodney is having a REACTION TO CERTAIN DEATH situations. Post traumatic stress type reactions that they actually acknowlege on the show at some point. Soon.

I laughed at the Shep and Teyla moment with.

"What are you doing?
Freeing my hand.
Doesn't feel like that's what you're doing.

Or however that went.

Liked the confrontation with Shep and Ford at the end. Made me feel sad for both of them.

MarshAngel
July 29th, 2005, 07:36 PM
I forget the name of the officer they left to babysit Mckay and the jumper but I really hope he gets to stick around. I really liked him. He was a nice contrast to Mckays crazy antics and his mocking of Mckay doesn't sound like it took effort. It really does take effort to keep from shooting him or at the very least duct taping his trap shut.

Gate Trippin'
July 29th, 2005, 07:36 PM
And this episode not only crossed the line, it barreled full-throttle out of sight, to the point that I was cringing at almost every one of his scenes. I think McKay is good when he's as endearing in his own respect as he is whiny, and that there's something to compensate for his overbearing personality. I felt the episode failed to acknowledge the character progression over the last year or so and regressed his back to his 48 Hours days.Did other McKay fans feel this way, or am I alone in my thinking? *waves* HUGE McKay fan here and I have to concur with you on this episode. Why, oh, why was he constantly griping about everything, along with the running away and screaming like it was the first time he was on a mission and had been faced with issues like these? I couldn't agree more that he seems to have regressed, at least temporarily, especially when you consider his experience and behavior in episodes like Defiant One or The Eye.

There has been talk and worry that McKay has been too much the comic relief lately. He's definately at his best when we are glimpsing the man beneath the snark, but tonight didn't scratch that suface at all. I hope he continues to progress as he was in S1 and not the opposite:)

AGateFan
July 29th, 2005, 07:45 PM
I forget the name of the officer they left to babysit Mckay and the jumper but I really hope he gets to stick around. I really liked him. He was a nice contrast to Mckays crazy antics and his mocking of Mckay doesn't sound like it took effort. It really does take effort to keep from shooting him or at the very least duct taping his trap shut.

Guys name was Major Lorne and isnt he the same guy that though Daniel was whiny in the ep ENEMY MINE?

I like this ep overall. Ford was awesome, Dex has good potetnial. Shep was good, Carson was good and yes Telya was good. Rodney notsomuch.

ToasterOnFire
July 29th, 2005, 07:46 PM
I wonder what the point of next week's episode is besides "Dex gets settled into Atlantis." The previews didn't seem to reveal much of a plotline besides that, and a character story is just a vignette, not a story, not an episode. It was not the best preview.
Isn't next week "Duet"? Guess TPTB didn't want to give too much away.

Mwahaha! :D


I liked Rodney when he was bantering with Shep early on (Aqua Velvet! HA!), I liked Rodney when he was talking with Ford, but I didn't care that much for the OTT complaining. Yes he would complain about getting exposed to the sun and radiation. But complaining all the time was too much for me.

I was wondering why the two guys in the beginning of the ep were dumb enough to go looking for plants at night. Kinda like how Mulder and Scully always look for the bad guy in the dark with flashlights. At least there was an explanation. Nice to see that the two guys didn't end up as redshirts as I expected.

not so ancient
July 29th, 2005, 07:56 PM
Isn't next week "Duet"? Guess TPTB didn't want to give too much away.

Mwahaha! :D

If it is Duet, then the main plotline of the story will be a complete departure from what we saw in the preview tonight. It would be a surprise to me if those scenes were from Duet. There was not even one glimpse of McKay.

My guess is they switched the order of episodes.

Lida
July 29th, 2005, 08:01 PM
Well, I guess I must have stumbled onto the wrong thread. I thought it was called Runner, not the let's gripe about the way McKay was written thread.

Get real people! You complained when McKay was being too comical, well, tonight he went back to his roots, a sniveling coward. I LOVE McKay, but you didn't want him "likeable", you wanted the old McKay and he was the old McKay tonight. :D ;) I like him that way, it makes him believable and DIFFERENT from the other characters. I want McKay to stand alone. His arrogance is a part of him, as is his cowardice. Love McKay, you have to accept all of it!

As for the rest of the episode, it clearly belonged to Jason Momoa. His acting was more than superb, he WAS Ronon Dex. I have NO complaints about how his character was written, the small number of flashbacks (which were necessary to the plot), the "costuming", the set prep, the lighting, and most especially, his acting. It was more than I had expected. As the old saying goes "less is more" and he under played the part to perfection.

As for his conversation with Teyla, you are reading more into than was there. She was his hostage, period. No looks, no sighs, nada. As for her "removing" his shirt, Dr. Beckett asked for her assistance with that.

And as for Dex refusing anesthesia, if, in his place, would you have accepted it from total strangers? I think not.

If you want to dissect and review an episode, make certain you do it without preconceived ideas.

Well, enough. I'm certain I've now stepped on hundreds of toes, but hey, we are all entitled to an opinion, right?

Just remember one thing.....I like SGA, I adore most of the characters and if I don't have anything nice to say about one or two, I don't say anything at all. ;)

This is not to imply I didn't like everyone in Runner, just that I need to log off. I'll continue.....just not at this moment.

Have a great night and stay safe!

Lord You
July 29th, 2005, 08:03 PM
Even if it was zero degrees a rubber radiation/isolation suit would be very very hot. It traps the person's heat in it. After wearing it for a while and hiking through a forest, McKay would definitely be extremely hot.

Erik Pasternak
July 29th, 2005, 08:04 PM
If it is Duet, then the main plotline of the story will be a complete departure from what we saw in the preview tonight. It would be a surprise to me if those scenes were from Duet. There was not even one glimpse of McKay.

My guess is they switched the order of episodes.


"Duet" Part of "Duet" is about Ronon getting used to Atlantis, although the primary story is about McKay's "mishap." Most likely, the trailer focused on Ronon's part as it appeared more "exciting."

Overall, yeah, this was a good episode. I can't wait for find out more about Ronon. As for the McKay thing, hm, I don't know. The line was being toed, at the very least.

PsychoPenguin
July 29th, 2005, 08:13 PM
Hmmm...how to address this ep? The last two weeks have been easy for me because by and large, I've liked them and only had one or two things to nitpick. This episode, however, took a little while to build, resulting in my looking at it as containing a "so-so" first half and a "good" second half.

Why do I think this is so?

First half:

--Contained way too much McKay whining. I had no problems with this character in the first two eps of this season, but this time, they definitely went over the top with it.

--Introduced a character I already knew was coming. See, this is why I'm beginning to doubt the wisdom of reading previews and spoilers. I think I would have enjoyed this episode more if I didn't already know about Dex. Since I did, I was almost like, "Okay, we know this. Let's move on already."

The second half, however:

--Contained some great McKay/Ford interactions. Both actors did wonderfully here and it was nice to see Ford's change through the eyes of someone who knew him well, yet was not as close to him as Sheppard.

--Good dialogue between Sheppard and Carson. Made me turn to hubby and say, "Shep's just as much of a people person as you are." He just shrugged and said, "Hey, we try..." :)

--Nice knife fight between Dex and Ford, even though I could see it coming. Action was blocked out very nicely! (Real knife fighting's a lot nastier though...)

--Finally, glad to see more Shep/Ford interaction and Shep/Caldwell. Considering I spent an afternoon listening to a group of military officers bemoan the new direction of their command, I was feeling some deja vu watching Caldwell slap Shep down for doing the right thing.

So, a decent ep, if not an overall great one. I do like the character arcs of all of the characters thus far though--with the possible exception of McKay. Hopefully, that will be resolved soon and we'll get back to the banter I love rather than the slapstick.

the fifth man
July 29th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Gotta say, I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. McKay was awesome, as usual, Ronan seemed pretty cool, and Ford, don't get me started. Love where his character has gone (you gotta feel kind of sorry for the guy). Hope tptb don't squander the opportunity to explore the new Ford as this series progresses.

not so ancient
July 29th, 2005, 08:28 PM
Well, I guess I must have stumbled onto the wrong thread. I thought it was called Runner, not the let's gripe about the way McKay was written thread.

Get real people! You complained when McKay was being too comical, well, tonight he went back to his roots, a sniveling coward. I LOVE McKay, but you didn't want him "likeable", you wanted the old McKay and he was the old McKay tonight. :D ;) I like him that way, it makes him believable and DIFFERENT from the other characters. I want McKay to stand alone. His arrogance is a part of him, as is his cowardice. Love McKay, you have to accept all of it!

Um, when did God die and leave you in charge? I don't have to accept your interpretation.

I love McKay and I see him as a character with two sides: whiny and a PITA on one side, and strong and rising to the occassion, even if it's difficult for him, on the other side. When McKay is written way out of balance, it's just bad characterization and it is detrimental to the plots and the story arcs as a whole. If McKay is written just comic, it will be hard to take him as a scientist, and a team member, which is exactly what he is.


Well, enough. I'm certain I've now stepped on hundreds of toes, but hey, we are all entitled to an opinion, right?

Yes, since you clearly realize that we are all entitled to an opinion, you would think you would know better than to tell people to 'get real' or how they must view a character. We aren't here to be told what to think to be 'real'. Our opinions are, as you said, our right.


Just remember one thing.....I like SGA, I adore most of the characters and if I don't have anything nice to say about one or two, I don't say anything at all. ;)

Why do you need to tell us that you like SGA?

ShadowMaat
July 29th, 2005, 08:38 PM
OK, I really liked Runner. Good (if slightly cliched) intro to Ronon, who shows a lot of potential and could prove to be a very interesting character who hopefully won't get turned into a one-dimensional Fighting Machine with the token angst about those he's lost. :rolleyes:

Ford was terrific. I love him, I really do. One minute he's a happy puppy catching up on the gossip and the next he's gnawing your arm off. Love it! :D The scattered thinking, the paranoia, the manic need to prove himself... all great things. But if he can't even hold it together long enough to find the cave ("we're walking in circles!"), how did he manage to track down the Wraith? Or was that different because he was hunting the enzyme? :) Anyway, Rainbow did a brilliant job. I can't wait until we see Ford again! Poor rabid little puppy...

Not everything was happy and shiny about this ep, though. Once Beckett buckled down to do his job, he was great, but did we really need YET ANOTHER stupid scene of him going, "OMG, WHAT?? You want me to go WHERE?? And do WHAT??!! Are you NUTS??!!" He should be used to this by now and he's survived a hell of a lot worse than this. He's a better man than this and once he got on planet and was dealing with Ronon, he proved it. Enough with the wide-eyed panic BS. Please.

Likewise, can we stop turning McKay into a useless little prick? We GET the concern about the radiation. We don't need to be beaten constantly over the head with it. Yes, McKay does tend to stick to a subject and go on at length, but I think it went on a little TOO far. Major, MAJOR kudos to him actually managing to shoot Ford, but running through the woods shooting his gun and screaming like a girl was, frankly, embarrassing. Once again, it was pushed just a little TOO far. McKay might seem like a token obnoxious scientist, but there's a very fine balance to his character and so far this season the writers have been tipping him too far in the wrong directions. I realize that there is darker, deeper stuff planned for him later in the season, but turning him into a buffoon now isn't going to balance it then. If anything, you run the risk of discrediting the later darkness because right now he's acting like too much of an idiot to believeably pull off what's going to happen. DON'T TURN McKAY INTO FELGER!!!! Please, dear gods, no! Give him a little more backbone! Like Beckett, McKay is better than this petty, silly nonsense. And most of his interactions with Ford were dead-on. Great stuff.

And for someone who's very claustrophobic, he seemed to have no trouble at all with the hazmat suit, other than being hot. I'm surprised he didn't give up and abandon the rest of it when he lost the helmet. TPTB really like making Hewlett suffer. Poor thing. If he didn't have a girlfriend... *sigh* hehe

Seeing him get snared and hauled upside down was funny, though. And yay to Ronon for coming to the rescue. :) Good fight sequence. Predictible, but still very nice.

Best line, "95% of deadly is still deadly!"

Oh and helloooooo Major Lorne! And welcome to my Cabana Boy List. :D LOVE him. Must find out more about him. McKay's overboard complaining was almost worth it just for Lorne's reactions. :)

Mio
July 29th, 2005, 08:47 PM
McKay is incredible. He made his own SPF 100 sunblock!!

Lets see, I think that this is good for the Ford character, before he was like an annoying puppy, now he seems to actually serve an important purpose, rather than be there just for the sake of being there.

It wasn't the greatest episode, I mean, Its no The Siege, but It was good.

Osiris-RA
July 29th, 2005, 08:47 PM
OK, gotta admit, this is my first Atlantis review cause this is pretty much the first time I've watched SGA all the way through AND I only did so cause I wanted to see what was happening with this Ronan Dex guy.

So, I missed the actual part when they introduced him but I saw the rest. Shep is ...shep. Mckay, hahaha...Col. Caldwell...far far cry from my beloved Skinner! :eek: I hate this guy! Teyla could get a new wardrobe instead of this new I dream of Jeannie-ish look with the belly button and everything. She looks cooler in the uniform IMO.

Um...Dex was ok, he seemed a tad over dressed with the bike elbow pads and stuff :rolleyes: The whole micro-backstory they had when he told about how the Wraith grabbed him and stuff...not buyin it. I mean, it's a good story, but he didn't tell it in a way that interested me oodles. I mean, 'Well, I'm a runner, the wraith tried to feed on me, couldn't so stuck me on a lab table cackling manicaly and stuck a chip in my back then let me out and started hunting me so I hunted them back and I've been running since" doesn't really do it for me. Runner is a cute title, sure, but ... I dunno, there's just a big 'but' here.

I don't like they way they wrote Ford. What's he whining for?? He's too nice! If it'd been me, I'd have creamed Mckay *and is it my imagination or is he trying to buff up? :eek: * grabbed all the ammo I could, hunted down the PJ, creamed the whole crew, stolen the PJ and flown outta there - shooting down the Wraith Darts just for good friendly-ish measure. :D I mean, what is this whinin', "You guys don't looooooooooooooooove me!! You betraaaaaaaaaaaaayed me! Well I'ma show you ALL!! You're gonna wish you'd have been a little NICER to me you big bully!! How 'bout I blow your brains out Mckay???"

Geez, blow your own brains out if you're gonna act weird like that man! :rolleyes: This is not what I'd call Ford taking control, this is a doofus with one black - seriously black eye who happens to be able to throw people a mile. *snore* THAT could have been done, IMO a WHOLE lot better! Then giving himself to a Wraith ship??? Where's your strategy!! Sure, you can take them out, but really, a PJ jacking would have been cooler. The Dex/Ford fight was nice and whumpy but still....ach, I dunno...They seem to be wasting RSF's acting skills on a wimpily written character.

So...um...that's about it...I whined mostly about Ford...Dex was ok, y'know. Nothing spectacular. And I was right, nothing like Tyr. Tyr could flick him back to the land of the people who need dread growing tips. :rolleyes:

BUT, besides that...cool.

NightGloom
July 29th, 2005, 08:50 PM
Hey... it's Eomer!

((Sorry, but Ronon does kinda look like Eomer))

SuperFord- I can see why RSF enjoyed playing the character moreso this season. And I think his portrayal was right on the money, like he was borderline paranoid insanity, but he also had the whole addict thing going. Hopefully we haven't seen the last of him.

-The knife fight between Ronan and Ford was superb. Fight choreography can be hard to do, but this was a pretty realistic fight.

- McKay- So, maybe he overdid it a little, but I laughed. Especially when he was running through the wood screaming "Help me!" and then let out a very girly scream.

- Just out of curiousity, did anyone else find Ronon's flashback of the wraith chasing him funny? For some reason, seeing that wraith run was hilarious to me.... maybe I just need sleep.

-Ronon... mmmmmm... :p

I definitely need to watch the episode again. Especially since for some unknown reason I took to drawing the picture on my book cover...

Excali5033
July 29th, 2005, 08:52 PM
Ford can't fly a Jumper, or else he'd still use the one he stole to begin with. And the duality is supposed to show how the enzyme is screwing with his head. I dunno if you've seen a real junkie or someone that's bipolar, but the characterization is spot on. Rational thought is not high on the list.

Osiris-RA
July 29th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Ford can't fly a Jumper, or else he'd still use the one he stole to begin with. And the duality is supposed to show how the enzyme is screwing with his head. I dunno if you've seen a real junkie or someone that's bipolar, but the characterization is spot on. Rational thought is not high on the list.
Oh, yeah, I forgot he couldn't fly a jumper...That sucks..:(

Still, IMO, they could have made him a little less 'bipolar' or whatever. I don't really like the way 'SuperFord' is going. Why's he gotta be the one that gets sick??

*grumbles*

Hatcheter
July 29th, 2005, 08:56 PM
Get real people! You complained when McKay was being too comical, well, tonight he went back to his roots, a sniveling coward. I LOVE McKay, but you didn't want him "likeable", you wanted the old McKay and he was the old McKay tonight. :D ;) I like him that way, it makes him believable and DIFFERENT from the other characters. I want McKay to stand alone. His arrogance is a part of him, as is his cowardice. Love McKay, you have to accept all of it!

"Sniveling coward". You beat me to it, I was gonna say that!

I enjoyed McKay in this episode. It's entirely in character that he would be keeping a running tally on his lifetime radiation exposure, and have formulated his own SPF 100 sunblock. Not to mention wearing a bulking hazmat suit on a forest manhunt.

Rodney does have courage and compasion, burried deep down, but those take extreme circumstances to bring them out. Physical discomfort is a big thing for him, though, and always brings out the worst in him. He did show sympathy for Ford, and tried hard to get him to see reason and come back to Atlantis.

I was surprised that he managed to screw up all his courage and pull the trigger. I wasn't surprised that that was all he had in him, and he then ran for his life. :D My big question there is whether he was trying to kill Ford, or if he was trying to fire a warning shot? ;)


As for the rest of the ep, Major Lorne was amusing, I'm hoping he's replacing Bates as the regular background soldier. Is he USAF or USMC?

Caldwell is proving to be a nice antagonist for Sheppard and Weir, I'm certainly looking forward to what he'll be up to over the course of the season.

Dex is hardcore! It may be early, but he just might bring an edge to the show that will really lift it up. His back stroy was filled in nicely, and he interacted very well with the other characters. I like the way Sheppard still seems a little unsure around him at the end of the ep.

As for the scene where Teyla removed his shirt, I'd like to point out that she was likely reacting to the faint scars across his chest from the Wraith's attempt to feed off of him. Consider that the shot of his chest was quickly folled by a shot of the scars across his back.

Ford was great in this ep. RSF didi really well, dancing between youthful enthusiasm, crazed paranoia, and regret for what he's doing. I'm certainly looking forward to his next return to the show.


Next week's episode will be Duet. All the scenes they showed in the comercial are in the images from the Gateworld file on that ep. I suppose that they cose that plot thread since it was most naturally connected to the way this episode ended.

Excali5033
July 29th, 2005, 09:05 PM
Next week's episode will be Duet. All the scenes they showed in the comercial are in the images from the Gateworld file on that ep. I suppose that they cose that plot thread since it was most naturally connected to the way this episode ended.
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Or they're trying to throw us off.


--Introduced a character I already knew was coming. See, this is why I'm beginning to doubt the wisdom of reading previews and spoilers. I think I would have enjoyed this episode more if I didn't already know about Dex. Since I did, I was almost like, "Okay, we know this. Let's move on already."

Just the opposite for me. I didn't know Ford was going to be in the episode.

Blue007
July 29th, 2005, 09:55 PM
LOVED IT!!! Momoa you rocked!!!!
Super Ford you were amazing and Shep...you made me smile!!!
Can't wait for the rest of the season. Momoa ~~bravo~~!!!
To all at Atlantis great job!!!

Amakusa
July 29th, 2005, 10:07 PM
Caldwell is a jerk; it's as if the writers want to set him up like the marine guy from the end of last season except with more staying power. Carbon-copy jerk.

I don't like this Ronan Dex guy. He seems cut of the same mold as Teyla, in that he's the 'outsider' 'alien' who's supposed to bring this 'new' perspective at how things go in the Pegasus galaxy. Only it's round two with a macho man. If they don't play him in some way other than his 'seven ways to kill you' attitude, he will wear out his welcome quick.

Which is ironic, where Ford is much more interesting to watch. The fact that he had a whole season set up with this nice kid fall so suddenly is all the more engaging than Ronan's sob story.




Yes, since you clearly realize that we are all entitled to an opinion, you would think you would know better than to tell people to 'get real' or how they must view a character. We aren't here to be told what to think to be 'real'. Our opinions are, as you said, our right.


That also means I can have the opinion that you're wrong, not 'we' or 'our'. You only speak for yourself; remember that.

Hyperspace
July 29th, 2005, 10:17 PM
This episode was choppy for me, but I still liked it. The BEST part was Rainbow Sun Franks as Ford...his character is bad yet good, the duality at first seems inconsistent yet adds unique layering to him. I was far more interested in the Super-Ford story than Ronan.

Glad to see the 'Redshirts' survive this ep, and liked the Lt. May he stay on Atlantis for a long time!!!

As for Ronan, I wish they'd get rid of the Battlefield Earth look. His character seems ok.

And the planet-setting was filmed nicely---did not look like, as someone said, "P3X-Vancouver"!!!

As for McKay, I think his characterization was off. He IS back to the 'sniveling idiot' of the past, which made me dislike him intensely in the first few episodes of Atlantis. I feel that the use of him as comic relief should not have come at the expense of his newfound growth as a character since 'The Eye' and 'Siege'...he has reverted.

And, can RSF return to full-cast status? Why not bring him on Atlantis in S3 as a half-Wraith?

Major Tyler
July 29th, 2005, 10:26 PM
I'd like to jump on the "piss on Rodney" bandwagon for a moment...

I was shocked at how willing Ford's "friends" were to shoot him. I understand that they thought it was for his own good, but the fact remains that they shot him. Sheppard I could understand better because he fired a shot, carefully aimed at the legs, with a round that pierces flesh and bone cleanly; John could be fairly certain that the shot wouldn't kill Aiden or cause permanent damage. Rodney, on the other hand, fires a shot haphazardly aimed at Ford's central mass, with a round that causes a great deal of tissue damage. I'm sure Rodney was aiming for the shoulder, but he is a poor shot (especially with a pistol) and there is no way he could be sure he would only wound Ford and not kill him.

Another thing...aside from the shooting, Rodney seemed to take little regard in Ford in general. For one, he suggested to Lorne that he and Ford weren't friends at all and that Aiden would have nothing better to talk with him about than weapons and killing! What a pal! Major Lorne seemed like he cared more about Aiden than Rodney did!

Other than McKay intermitantly being taken over by a 12 year old girl, this episode was great! Rainbow did a wonderful job, Ronon was intriguing and well-played by Jason Momoa, and we got to see how the new dynamic on Atlantis is starting to take shape. I'm very glad that Sheppard doesn't have to take orders from Caldwell (at least explicitly) when it come to Atlantis matters. If Caldwell wants my main man killed, he's going to have to come through me! :mad: ;)

Lord You
July 29th, 2005, 10:27 PM
Good episode. I think the writer spends too much time reading Gateworld tho! ;-) Did anyone else think the fight between SuperFord and Jason Momoa was actually for their spot on Atlantis rather than who got to kill McKay? :-))

Good: The later stuff with McKay and his interaction with Ford was great! I also liked the concept of the planet and the way Jason's character was written. Almost everyone had something to contribute to the episode and the dialog was inspired without sounding fake. It was also nice to see Ford try that flying armbar again (if I saw correctly), and nicer to see Jason Momoa escape it! That's one tough cookie; I wonder if he was genetically altered by the Wraith.

Bad: McKay at the beginning was a little over-the-top with the whole SPF 1000 thing, and he really should have been a tad more enthusiastic to go after Ford. There's a fine line that I think the writers went beyond. I also didn't really like knife fighting. It just seemed too rehearsed and matrix-like. Finally, you never try to shoot the leg or the arm; chances are you'll miss! It would have been more realistic for Sheppard to shoot Ford with either the Wraith stunner he left with his fight with Jason or Jason's weapon (and have no effect).

All in all, my favorite of the season! My rankings:

Runner
Intruder
The Siege Part Three

asher_cross
July 29th, 2005, 10:35 PM
I liked Runner; it wasn't perfect, but it was better than The Intruder, which I didn't like that much at all.

PROS:

- Ford storyline is getting better and better. Maybe it's just the better material they're giving him, but RSF is stretching and bettering himself as an actor. (EDIT: Did I mention it was better?)

- the action was good in this one, from Ronon's effortless gun-twirling in his half-fight with Shep to his knife-fight with Ford, it was very cool to watch.

- I'm warming to Ronon; he could be an interesting character. Noticed how all the other characters seemed extremely clean-cut compared to him.

CONS:

- I'm typically a huge Rodney fan, and he's my favorite character. But why, why why make him so ungodly whiny? Sure he was whiny before, but at least it was humorous, and he was using it to be condescending and make a point to the others; now he's just doing it to feed his own sudden case of hypochondria. He had some good moments with Ford though.

- I am looking forward to Ronon, only as long as he gets rid of that monotone "tough guy" voice. At least put some inflection into it, Momoa.

- Caldwell, like the poster said above, is a jerk. It just seems like he's there to diss Shep. Weir as always never gets a lot of screen time, and Carson at least got to go out into the field, but it would be nice to see him be part of the offworld team.

Welp, those are my thoughts, likely already repeated a dozen times before I said them, but there they are.

Hyperspace
July 29th, 2005, 10:51 PM
I also didn't really like knife fighting. It just seemed too rehearsed and matrix-like.

I felt that too. It seemed that Ford would shoot his hand out, and Ronan would match it, as if it was all expected.

I wonder if there was any tension there between the actors? After all, the replacement is fighting the original.

Ford's character has received a much-needed infusion of 'interestingness' which IMO could allow him to return to the cast as a full-fledged member...in S3 hopefully.

Edit: oh BTW, is Mitch Pileggi's character a replacement for the Sgt. Bates? We haven't seen Bates since "Siege, pt 1" and I'd like to see him back as the 'overly protective' military guy.

warmbeachbrat
July 29th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Good grief! What's up with Teyla this season? She does NOT seem to be the competent, interesting, well-rounded character that she was last season. She was a vital part to Atlantis last season. She was a liason between Atlantis and the various peoples that they met; she was a skilled fighter and very few got the better of her; she had depth and strength that I just haven't seen this season.

Oh well, other than that, I really enjoyed the episode. What they've done with Ford's character was great and I also find Ronon's character interesting. I thought Shep and Caldwell's interaction was great. I've been waiting for Caldwell's character to make an impact, and I think he really did that tonight. All of the supporting players were great, also. Although, I've got to agree with most of the others that Rodney was a bit over the top.

If I had to rate the episodes so far (out of 10 points), I think I'd give Siege, part 3 a 10; Intruder an 8, and Runner a 7.

CYBEREAGLE19
July 29th, 2005, 10:59 PM
great episode overall, loved seeing ford again, still havent mentioned if theay got that PJ jumper back that ford took, also didnt like how beckets scanner was vert star trek next gen with its lil hand sensor, and I'm so sick of them always bringing up colonol sumer, hes dead get over it

bravesmom63
July 29th, 2005, 11:05 PM
I enjoyed this ep.

I agree with those of you who say that TPTB are writing McKay a bit too goofy and whiny. They need to tone it down-he's experienced a lot in the past year and SOME of that should show, don'tcha think?

I liked the way Ford was written. I think someone used the phrase "happy puppy" or something to describe his initial interaction with McKay. The mood swings that followed were a good way to show how messed up he is. RSF did an awesome job. I hope to see him again SOON.

LOL at Shep's "What the hell are you doing?" and the look on his face when Teyla was trying to get her hands untied. I like the bits of humor they drop in even in tense situations. That's one of the reasons I like both shows.

Next week-the Kissing Bandit ep. I can't wait. ;)

Hatcheter
July 29th, 2005, 11:47 PM
I rewatched the second-half of the episode on the second Skiffy broadcast, and noticed something I had previously missed when Rodney shot Ford: Ford was raising his gun toward McKay! Rodney was just reacting automatically to defend himself. Not surprisingly, he lost all nerve after that, and took off running. Which is good, I'm not sure I'd really enjoy the character arc that would result if Rodney was forced to kill a friend, no matter how interesting the story might be. Leave that burden to Sheppard.

derrickh
July 30th, 2005, 12:02 AM
I think Teyla was a battered wife/girlfriend before she joined up with Atlantis. (which would explain why she was so quick to want to get away from her people).

Why? Check it out. Here comes big strong Ronan Dax. He shoots her in the back. Ties her up. Spends 95% of his time with her pointing a gun at her head. But there's like 20 seconds when he opens up and tells a sad story about not being able to settle down. Awwww.

So Teyla spends the whole time giving him 'I'm hot for you' looks and is quick to obey when he tells her to rip off his shirt. The woman has issues. She should be feeling a lot of things toward Ronan. Fear, distrust, defensiveness, etc, but pity and lust shouldn't be on the list.

D

Lord You
July 30th, 2005, 12:19 AM
That is probably the worst idea I have ever read. Sorry. :-/

Carbito
July 30th, 2005, 12:26 AM
Brilliant episode, this Dex character is certainly going to be very interesting. What race was Ronan Dex from because they certainly seem to have some slightly more advanced technology and I'm sure there would be at least a few survivors left.

woodsie22
July 30th, 2005, 12:30 AM
Perhaps its because I'm fairer skinned than even McKay, but I really liked the whole SPF and sunblock stuff. And his running list of radiation exposure amused me, because I remember reading (I think in the Intruder thread) someone here saying that the team should all get cancer from all the radiation exposure.

The whining, meanwhile, I thought was merited. Rodney really had no reason to be on this particular mission, other than yelling for Ford. I mean, I'm a huge DH fan & I liked his part, but realistically, there's really no reason for non-military to track down Ford here. In fact, that's why I was originally wondering if he'd be in the episode much.

Blue007
July 30th, 2005, 12:31 AM
Yes, me again...LOL.. Could some of you that enjoyed Ronon Dex/Momoa post somethings on his Ronon Dex/Momoa threads. That would be so great if you would thanks a bunch. :D
A great weekend to all!!

Hyperspace
July 30th, 2005, 12:39 AM
I think Teyla was a battered wife/girlfriend before she joined up with Atlantis. (which would explain why she was so quick to want to get away from her people).

Why? Check it out. Here comes big strong Ronan Dax. He shoots her in the back. Ties her up. Spends 95% of his time with her pointing a gun at her head. But there's like 20 seconds when he opens up and tells a sad story about not being able to settle down. Awwww.

So Teyla spends the whole time giving him 'I'm hot for you' looks and is quick to obey when he tells her to rip off his shirt. The woman has issues. She should be feeling a lot of things toward Ronan. Fear, distrust, defensiveness, etc, but pity and lust shouldn't be on the list.

D

I don't think Teyla has battered woman's syndrome, but I do think that the way Teyla has been written (weakly) allows interpretations of her in such a manner, particularly if she ends up romantically involved with Ronan.

morjana
July 30th, 2005, 12:51 AM
Stargate Atlantis' "The Runner" introduced the series' new character, Ronon Dex (Jason Momoa), and we got to see Aiden Ford again. I thought Rainbow Sun Francks did an excellent job portraying Ford going through a metamorphosis from the sweet young man he was into the super Wraith killing machine he's becoming. It was interesting to see him swiftly transform from his intense SuperFord persona to his joyful, eager Lt. Ford persona. He was so happy to hear that Sheppard had been promoted to Lt. Colonel.

And so terrific to see how sincere and earnest Sheppard is with Ronon
Dex, and in his efforts to try and save Ford. Joe really has his
character firmly defined, and he's working on the nuances now. Good
work, Joe.

Very nice to see Major Lorne, last seen in SG1's season seven episode, "Enemy Mine." And the actor behind SG1's SuperSoldier, Dan Payne, portrayed Lt. Reed in tonight's episode. What a cutie! Hope we get to see both of them again in SGA.

So...what is Ford going to do now that he's been scooped up by the Wraith? What is Atlantis going to do? Is Teyla going to fall for the charms of Ronon Dex? What is about Ronon Dex that caused the Wraith to stop feeding from him? Is his race going to turn out to be like Aris Boch's people -- the Wraith can't feed off of them, like the Goa'uld couldn't process Aris' people?


Morjana

Hatcheter
July 30th, 2005, 01:10 AM
And in an intersting production note, the cave Ronan was hiding in was the same cave set as was used in SG-1's 'Avalon' for Glastonbury Tor(?). IMO, they did a great job re-dressing the set to make it look entirely different. Rocks and gravel and plants replaced the smooth sandy floors, along with "sunlight" giving a completely different feel to the environment.

Hopefully they'll pull off reusing the standing village set just as well. It was pretty easy to see the recycling of the castle/temple/ruins set last season between the two shows.

Krissy Mae Anderson
July 30th, 2005, 01:33 AM
This ep finally DID cross the line with Rodney. I found it amusing in SIEGE and even INTRUDER. The moments were brief. But Rodney's characterization was all over the map. So far his only recognizable moments this ep were the brief interactions with Shep and a few of his moments with Ford. I am HOPING, and I'm not even a Rodney fan, that TPTB are setting up that Rodney is having a REACTION TO CERTAIN DEATH situations. Post traumatic stress type reactions that they actually acknowlege on the show at some point. Soon.

I'm starting to feel like I am the only person who is more annoyed with people not liking Rodney's characterization than with the characterization itself. (Not directed at specifically you, Merlin7, but just in general... I understand their reasons for not liking it, and I know they are valid, but I am just starting to feel like this is taking all the fun out of the series for me.) After I watched this eppy, I've gotten to thinking if Rodney's got the same thing as I have, namely thanatophobia, fear of death, which seems to manifest as extreme anxiety. I've never really had it in a public place, but when I do get thanatophobic at home, I can barely keep things in my hands, hit the wrong keys on the computer, babble, can't breathe, and just generally freak out and act somewhat hysterical. Anyways, this is my 2 cents, which is probably wrong anyways...

LoveYouBaby
July 30th, 2005, 03:42 AM
In my view, I thought this episode was alright. It's not the best, sorta stuck between OK and good.

So we get to see Ford again, he looks rather cool, an one man army - go FORD! :)

But seriously, I thought this episode was kinda weak overall. It's nice that we get a new replacement, Ronan, but I doubt he wants to be Sheppard's new "buddy" aka "side-kick" in the adventures to be had on Stargate Atlantis, and I don't see him letting go off his past and struggles at a click of a switch.

The man's been on the run for 7 years, if the writers make him all goodie in one episode, I'll be on a killing-spree myself. I find McKay gone from serious, to well a clown. This is not the McKay we knew in season 1, there's a difference between "is funny" and "trying to be funny".

Well it's not a bad episode I suppose but it could have been better.

I'll give this one... a 6.5 out of 10

LORD MONK
July 30th, 2005, 03:48 AM
Loved It!!! Way better then I thought.

Easter Lily
July 30th, 2005, 05:15 AM
So Runner has a double entendre... two men on the run... Ronon Dex and Lt Aiden Ford... One runs toward and the other runs away. Both have been touched by the Wraith. Interesting juxtaposition.

Ronon Dex is a Runner... the hunted turned hunter... Ford also a Runner becomes the hunter and the hunted... Both are homeless to some degree. Dex was on the run... no place to call home... The place he once called home is no more. Ford, on the other hand, has abandoned the home he once knew because he is not the man he once was. The former accepts the help of strangers and the latter rejects the help of those he once called "friends".

There's a lot of running in the episode. Extensive amounts of vegetation gives the impression of great distances that must be covered. But there is a lot of movement... on legs... of individuals hiding, searching, hunting, fighting and confronting.

Friendship and trust are the key ideas in the episodes. Does friendship lead to trust or does trust lead to an uneasy alliance?

Surrounding these two men are others who will determine their fate... will they help or hinder? Some show their fear plainly (Caldwell, McKay and Beckett), while others fear for them (Sheppard and Teyla). The two men have an encounter at the end... at which their places are changed... for now...

An interesting episode (with a better than expected introduction of Dex and an all too brief reunion with Ford)... with Stargate trying new things... not sure if it succeeds on every level but I applaud them for taking the plunge.

Merlin7
July 30th, 2005, 05:51 AM
I'm starting to feel like I am the only person who is more annoyed with people not liking Rodney's characterization than with the characterization itself. (Not directed at specifically you, Merlin7, but just in general... I understand their reasons for not liking it, and I know they are valid, but I am just starting to feel like this is taking all the fun out of the series for me.) After I watched this eppy, I've gotten to thinking if Rodney's got the same thing as I have, namely thanatophobia, fear of death, which seems to manifest as extreme anxiety. I've never really had it in a public place, but when I do get thanatophobic at home, I can barely keep things in my hands, hit the wrong keys on the computer, babble, can't breathe, and just generally freak out and act somewhat hysterical. Anyways, this is my 2 cents, which is probably wrong anyways...


IF it's a phobia and they address it on the show. Not a problem. But he's faced Death over and over last year and didn't react like this. I understood and it was in character for Rodney not to want to be there. For him to complain about alot of stuff. But this was just too much and too OOC from what I saw last year. It takes alot to make me cringe and I'm not a big Rodney fan and have always liked him best at his most acerbic. I loved him on SG1 being a total A$$. Loved it. But this was different. If there's a reason for it. Cool. If it's just for comedy. Not as cool.

I mean..I thought it was totally realistic for him to eject the gun clip in SIEGE and to make himself small in INTRUDER. And there were quite a few moments in RUNNER that were realistic for him. To a point.

keshou
July 30th, 2005, 06:40 AM
So Runner has a double entendre... two men on the run... Ronon Dex and Lt Aiden Ford... One runs toward and the other runs away. Both have been touched by the Wraith. Interesting juxtaposition.

Ronon Dex is a Runner... the hunted turned hunter... Ford also a Runner becomes the hunter and the hunted... Both are homeless to some degree. Dex was on the run... no place to call home... The place he once called home is no more. Ford, on the other hand, has abandoned the home he once knew because he is not the man he once was. The former accepts the help of strangers and the latter rejects the help of those he once called "friends".

There's a lot of running in the episode. Extensive amounts of vegetation gives the impression of great distances that must be covered. But there is a lot of movement... on legs... of individuals hiding, searching, hunting, fighting and confronting.

Friendship and trust are the key ideas in the episodes. Does friendship lead to trust or does trust lead to an uneasy alliance?

Surrounding these two men are others who will determine their fate... will they help or hinder? Some show their fear plainly (Caldwell, McKay and Beckett), while others fear for them (Sheppard and Teyla). The two men have an encounter at the end... at which their places are changed... for now...

An interesting episode (with a better than expected introduction of Dex and an all too brief reunion with Ford)... with Stargate trying new things... not sure if it succeeds on every level but I applaud them for taking the plunge.
*applause* Wonderful analysis of the episode.

A few quick comments...

*I liked Ronon Dex a lot - I was surprised actually. I think he could be a really good addition to the show. I'm interested in his story and seeing how they work him into the group.

* It was bittersweet to see Ford again and I worry about him. Rainbow really seems to be enjoying playing this development and I hope this storyline continues to be followed.

*Mckay. Again I'm a little disturbed that he's reverting a little too much to the comic relief side. His character really grew a lot last year and they seem to be regressing him. The whole whining about the sun and the rubber suit got old. Although I enjoyed his encounters with Ford quite a bit.

*Shep was great. Really like Joe's performance this year. McKay has always been my favorite character but Shep may be taking his place. :)

*Teyla. Just not much there. I am *so* hoping that the addition of Dex will also bring some *good* character developement for her. :(

MarshAngel
July 30th, 2005, 07:51 AM
Am I the only who doesn't think Teyla was giving Ronon heated looks of desire? I actually thought her staring was directed at his necklace not his chest. It seemed she recognized it as having some meaning of some sort.
If those were looks of desire for his manly chest hairs, then she really needs to work on the heat and come hither look.

Calicto
July 30th, 2005, 08:02 AM
Calicto's Review

Episode: Runner [SGA 203]

Good Performances: Ronan, Ford, McKay, Major Lorne
Bad Performances: Dead Wraith dude.

Noteworthy Scenes: Ronan/Ford fight, Most of the Ronan fight scenes, Ford getting shot by McKay

Advantages:

Ronan = very good addition to show
Super Ford = excellent. just excellent.
Ronan versus Super ford fight
Ford & McKay interaction
Shepperd's personal dilemma with dealing with Ford
Forest setting adds creepiness
McKay-isms
Ronan flash backs
Ford instability


Disadvantages:

Needed more fighting between Ronan and Wraith or Ronan and Ford


Comments: I really liked both Ford and Ronan. Ronan has become the "Blade" of SGA except that he's not half Wraith. But he's almost as cool in his suave nature and his great fighting ability. I love the idea that Ronan and Ford literally switched places after their amazing fight.

Story: 8.0
Plot Direction: 9.0
Acting/Characters: 9.5
Action/Adventure: 8.5
Background Info: 9.0
Dramatic Feel: 9.5
Scenes/Settings: 9.0
Special Effect: 9.0
Realism Factor: 8.0
Overall Feel: 8.0
Rating: 87.5 (B+)

AGateFan
July 30th, 2005, 08:04 AM
Am I the only who doesn't think Teyla was giving Ronon heated looks of desire? I actually thought her staring was directed at his necklace not his chest. It seemed she recognized it as having some meaning of some sort.
If those were looks of desire for his manly chest hairs, then she really needs to work on the heat and come hither look.

I thought her stairing was directed at the scar on his chest from when the wraith attempted to feed on him. (First I thought the neckless then I saw the scar. The scar was under the neckless.).

not so ancient
July 30th, 2005, 08:33 AM
Caldwell is a jerk; it's as if the writers want to set him up like the marine guy from the end of last season except with more staying power. Carbon-copy jerk.

Caldwell has a point about Ford being a possible threat. It's not a point that Sheppard likes, but it's a valid point.


I don't like this Ronan Dex guy. He seems cut of the same mold as Teyla, in that he's the 'outsider' 'alien' who's supposed to bring this 'new' perspective at how things go in the Pegasus galaxy. Only it's round two with a macho man. If they don't play him in some way other than his 'seven ways to kill you' attitude, he will wear out his welcome quick.

'Welcome'? This is welcome?


That also means I can have the opinion that you're wrong, not 'we' or 'our'. You only speak for yourself; remember that.

I never attempted to say I was speaking for anyone. I was merely pointing out that the right to an opinion is universal. I was expressing the idea that Lida cannot dictate what is merely her opinion as 'fact' that we 'have to accept' to me, or to any of us here. Which unfortunately includes you.

Gross misinterpretation on your part.

Nothing to see here. I'm moving right along.

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2005, 08:52 AM
Major Lorne is portrayed by Kavan Smith. Looks like I've seen him in a few other places, too. Hmm...

As for Teyla... can't say I saw her being particularly sultry towards ANYONE in this ep and yeah, I think the look she threw at his bared chest had more to do with something ON his chest than with the chest itself. ;)

Ace
July 30th, 2005, 08:56 AM
Ford was the best part of this episode... too many good parts, I'm going to have to watch it a couple more times but Ford was the best part of it.

I loved the scene when he shot Major Lourne and McKay goes crazy thinking it's a Wraith attack only to have Ford step out of the treeline and tell him to cool it. And then give him a little punch on the shoulder...

That was great! I can't wait to see more Ford... hopefully the TPTB keep him around.

Ace

aAnubiSs
July 30th, 2005, 09:15 AM
Loved the whole episode. However I hope McKay will calm down a little slowly over the seasons

Ace
July 30th, 2005, 09:22 AM
Just figured out why Major Lorne looked so familiar!! Kavan Smith played Major Lorne in "Enemy Mine" on SG-1

So it turns out he's a reoccuring character that was transferred to Atlantis, with the increased military personnel that the Daedelus brought...

What a great idea!

Ace

Sela
July 30th, 2005, 09:51 AM
I enjoyed this episode. RSF knocked my socks off again in his portrayal of Ford! Watching him switch back and forth between wraith insanity and lucidity was fasinating. One minute he was Ford, happy about Sheppard's promotion and the next he was - "Super Ford" ready to blow Rodney's head off. I liked the fact that Rodney kept fixed on the Ford he knew instead of the insanity. I give him credit for not letting Aiden go off alone and saving himself. Good for you, Rodney. :)

Ronan Dex was very cool. I think he'd be a good addition to the team, but I really hope TPTB don't want to trade out Ford for Dex. I think having both would serve the show well. The fight between the two of them was incredible. Having them fight side by side would be unbelievable!

I'd give it a 9 out of ten. Liked this week's Atlantis far better than this week's SG-1.

TheCorpulent1
July 30th, 2005, 10:00 AM
I really, really enjoyed "Runner." I'm more of an SG-1 fan than Atlantis, but damn, Atlantis really blew SG-1 out of the water this week. The main thing was, of course, Ford. Ford, Ford, Ford. Rainbow Francks did an absolutely spectacular job of portraying Ford exactly how I'd expect someone in his position to be: brusque, scary, forceful, but also very vulnerable and scared at the core, AND we even got to see some of the old Ford's optimistic naivete shine through in his excitement when McKay tells him that Beckett might be able to find a way to cure him and let him keep his new powers. Wonderfully multi-faceted performance from Rainbow. His attempts to bond with McKay like nothing had happened were great and his complete 180 in demeanor after McKay shot him was even better. Normally I just kind of dismiss things that the people behind the scenes of anything hype up, but TPTB really nailed it on this one. That enzyme was definitely the best thing to ever happen to Ford.

As far as other characters, Dex turned out to be a lot more interesting than I would've given him credit for. McKay and Lorne were fun. Beckett was hilarious as always. Sheppard was funny in the cave scene, trying to talk to Dex. :D

The new, inverted shirts were pretty sweet. McKay's was black with a blew strip on the sides instead of the other way around and Beckett sported a black shirt with a white strip when he went off-world.

Hmm... there's really nothing I didn't like about this episode. I'm kind of curious about why the Wraith got a funny look and stopped feeding on Dex in the flashback, but otherwise I thought the episode was excellent. Great way to really jump-start the new season.

Jace021903
July 30th, 2005, 10:21 AM
I liked the episode.

The cast did a great job especially RSF. Poor Ford.

Ronan seems like an interesting character.

The one thing that I had an issue with is McKay's characterization last night. He was way over the top and only played for laughs. David Hewlett is very funny, but he also does a good job of giving McKay some depth--when they let him play it.

A big part of McKay's appeal for me is that he has some sensitivity underneath the obnoxious exterior. I hope future episodes serve him better.

Overall, though, a good episode.

Jace

TheCorpulent1
July 30th, 2005, 10:27 AM
I thought McKay's scenes with Ford were pretty good, actually. I didn't feel like he was played exclusively for laughs, though there were certainly some over-the-top scenes. You can see him visibly struggling to rectify this new, dangerous man before him with the naive, boyish Ford he once knew every time he tries to convince Ford that the Atlantis crew just wants to help him. I really thought Hewlett and Francks played off each other well in the episode.

ShadowMaat
July 30th, 2005, 11:05 AM
Oh yeah, the McKay-Ford dynamic was terrific, but I still felt that McKay's whining was a little too overboard and the screaming like a girl thing was embarrassing. And I don't particularly care to be embarrassed by/for one of my favorite characters on the show.

And for someone who couldn't even keep his ammo clip in his gun in Siege 3, McKay managed to shoot Ford just fine in Runner.

Incidentally, did anyone else find it a little incongruous that Beckett, who's always scared and whiney about having to go out in the field and who professes to know almost as little (or less) about weapons than McKay, seemed to handle an assault rifle just fine? Even McKay sticks to handguns.

SGalisa
July 30th, 2005, 11:30 AM
haven't read anything above this yet... posting review comments first.

about Ronon Dex's dreadlocks... gosh, he must have a dozen or more knots when brushing out those hairs! (yikes!) Tyr in Andromeda had the better looking hair style... Must admit that when you focus on Jason's (Dex) eyes and ignore his wild hair, he does have rather handsome facial features. :)

As contrasting balance to the seriousness of what a "Runner" is and must endure emotionally and physically, McKay's comic relief side-stories were a (movie) classic evil. Lest things got too dark. (The first "Star Wars" trilogy impressively balanced its humor out nicely between what was totally dark and what could be considered as semi-normal.) David Hewlett must have gone thru a whole bag of cough drops to keep his voice in this episode! :p

some memorable and favorite moments...
McKay: "...you see my complexion?! It's fair. *Very* fair."
...{pause... he gets some rather nasty stares...}
McKay: "Oh *this* isn't FAIR!" :D

yup, I can sympathize with the fair complexion problem, but with him going overboard on this subject, was just too *funny* (still has me laughing my sides silly!) ...here's some more...

McKay: {bragging} "...try some SPF 100. Made it myself." :D

People keep teasing me about using SPF 50 (that I need it for myself ...one level away from being Albino!), which I often think is pushing things to the limit, because SPF 35 should be sufficient enough... but SPF 100? Rodney's such an extremist when he goes into worry-wart overdrive mode... :p (and I thought I was bad at exaggerating such things...)

Ford Question... so, is his facial disfigurement due to the grenade melting part of his face during the blast, or what? It seemed that the blast went off closer to his right side than his left... and that it would have affected his lower body first and foremost before reaching any part of his head.

more Ford... when he's sane, at least he hasn't lost his sense of giddy wonder from enjoying hearing about pleasant news. But when he's psychotic... look out! Somehow I expected all those verbal daggers (little nitpicks and other irritants) from the past to eventually boil over if not someday explode to the surface -wonder if Ford and McKay covered them all.

And McKay ...finally getting a grip after possibly learning his lesson about not losing the gun clip (from "Siege"). ...He's getting rather daring, too! But after shooting Ford, and suddenly realizing what he actually did after doing it, his bad day suddenly got a whole ton worse!

Ooooh gosh! If some viewers thought McKay's screaming fall in "Siege" was worthy of replaying, how many times are they going to replay the tree incident in "Runner"...? (It's tempting to peek at those ..*whump!*.. topics) :D

David Hewlett just poured his ALL {heart and soul} into those running and screaming banshee scenes... but oh, give him some cough drops for that sore hoarse throat! :p

Dr. Beckett... enjoyed seeing him get some great lines; and with his accent (and the actual actor's delivery of those words), those things just get more amplified. :)
...did wonder about his gun training, too, but passed that off as waiting for his real reactions until after he *actually* had to use it...

Col. Caldwell... somehow I think he'd rather see Lt. Aiden Ford dead, than brought back alive, and I think that's what Sheppard is thinking, too.

I'm also inclined to believe Sheppard about Ford keeping his thoughts quiet -not giving the SGA teams away to the Wraith, because that's what Ford was trained to do as a soldier. Of course, on the one hand, Ford was all gun-ho prepared to save Teyla and Shep; but especially after how bullistic Ford wanted to get with Rodney -since Shep shot Ford does that now change any future encounters?

And the episode itself had one of those very dark endings. A deep *think about it* moment.

TheCorpulent1
July 30th, 2005, 11:59 AM
Oh yeah, the McKay-Ford dynamic was terrific, but I still felt that McKay's whining was a little too overboard and the screaming like a girl thing was embarrassing. And I don't particularly care to be embarrassed by/for one of my favorite characters on the show.

And for someone who couldn't even keep his ammo clip in his gun in Siege 3, McKay managed to shoot Ford just fine in Runner.

Incidentally, did anyone else find it a little incongruous that Beckett, who's always scared and whiney about having to go out in the field and who professes to know almost as little (or less) about weapons than McKay, seemed to handle an assault rifle just fine? Even McKay sticks to handguns.
Yeah, I noticed those, too. I didn't really like McKay's ammo mishap in "The Siege III," myself. It seemed incongruous considering he handled himself just fine against the Wraith in "The Defiant One." TPTB do seem to be overplaying McKay's damsel-in-distress thing this season.

LoneStar1836
July 30th, 2005, 12:03 PM
Hmm, I actually think I liked this episode more than the first two of this season, of which I really wasn’t that impressed with. I think watching BSG has somewhat ruined my enjoyment of SGA.

Anyway. Really loved the Ford and McKay moments. Best parts of the ep. The serious discussion those two had was the best part for me. I think they can tone it down just a tad with Rodney as comic relief. Though I loved his concern about all the radiation. :D

I wasn’t very thrilled with what they had done to Ford in Seige III and what they had of SuperFord in Siege III wasn’t that great, imo, but it was the best part of this episode.

Shep/Ford moment at the end was another high point. SGA writers could end up turning this into a dark storyline and end up with Shep having to kill Ford, but I’m not sure if they are bold enough to take that step. It would work for me though, rather than have some nice, happy ending. And no I’m not advocating killing off Ford because I like the character, but the writers have chosen to go down this road, and I don’t really see them bring back RSF when they resolve this storyline. So I’d rather have his character go out with a bang (pardon the pun) than a whimper and be tossed to the sideline and forgotten. Have this storyline have some lasting impact.

I’m liking Caldwell. He may be riding Shep, who I admit is my favorite character, but he was right that Ford is a liability. Though his comment about Sumner was kind of cold.

Poor Teyla. Why even bother to create the character……… I hope the writers can give her some much needed substance this season, but it obviously didn’t start with this episode. And please loose that top. I think the Clothe Teyla Fund raised enough money to at least buy her something new. ;)

The introduction of Dex wasn’t half bad. Better than I thought it would be. I’m willing to give this character a chance. Now it’s in the hands of the writers.

Overall, pretty good episode, imo. I liked it. :)

SophieTucker
July 30th, 2005, 01:15 PM
Kudos to RSF - I actually felt sympathy for Ford in this ep. I'm sorry they canned (demoted) him but they are actually doing more with the character than they did last season.

Beckett was as enduring as ever.

Other than that I pretty much hated this episode.

Ronan, I still haven't figured out why they felt they needed a beefcake character - doesn't add anything to the series from my perspective.

I am glad to see others are as dishearted by the development of McKay this season as I am. Ironically, I was dubious when I first read they were including his character in the cast. But I quickly warmed up to him.

Now, they seem to have backtracked on all character development from last season and have reduced to him to nothing more than a comic buffoon. If I wanted to watch slapstick I'd watch some Stooges reruns. In episodes past McKay provided humor (it was sharp and pithy) - now he is merely the butt of the joke and the humor is just plain mean. Yes, he was whiny and annoying and he even snapped at children - but he also tried to hide those children from the wraith. As far as I can see season two's Rodney has no redeeming qualities. I didnt' care for the gun scene in Siege III, I was a little annoyed with the shrinking thing in The Intruder but Runner was abysmal as far as McKay's character was concerned.

I never understood why they felt they needed to mess things up this season - too many character changes. McKay isn't the only character in deterioration but is definitely the most obvious.

Sorry, but I am disturbed by what they're doing and I will not keep watching it if this trend continues. Unfortunately the season is probably nearing the end of filming so I'm not expecting any improvement. Hopefully for the sake of all the talented actors on this show - others don't feel as strongly as I do.

Sela
July 30th, 2005, 01:50 PM
I’m liking Caldwell. He may be riding Shep, who I admit is my favorite character, but he was right that Ford is a liability. Though his comment about Sumner was kind of cold.
I'm liking Caldwell a lot, too. He was exactly right about Ford. He's one my favorites on the show, but he could be a liability if caught by the wraith. And whoa- when Caldwell zinged Shep about Summner, I had to say ouch! It was cold, but it knocked Sheppard back in the frame of mind that he needed him to be in to understand what he was talking about it. In that moment I both hated Caldwell and loved him, and switched my vote to him being military commander on Atlantis. Sheppard is too close to the situation to be an effective commander. Better for Caldwell who knows no-one or has any history with anyone to be military head, than Shep who leads with his heart.

not so ancient
July 30th, 2005, 01:53 PM
Sorry, but I am disturbed by what they're doing and I will not keep watching it if this trend continues. Unfortunately the season is probably nearing the end of filming so I'm not expecting any improvement. Hopefully for the sake of all the talented actors on this show - others don't feel as strongly as I do.

You're assuming the characterization and story arcs have not progressed in a different, and more acceptable, direction as already written and filmed.

Steve_the_Wraith
July 30th, 2005, 02:16 PM
You're assuming the characterization and story arcs have not progressed in a different, and more acceptable, direction as already written and filmed.

God, I hope your right
crosses fingers (3 weeks till Trinity)

Easter Lily
July 30th, 2005, 02:36 PM
I must be one of the few people on this thread who didn't mind the double dose of Rodney goodness... :p I have always been of the opinion that Rodney teeters on the edge of annoyance anyway but without Sheppard to pull him into line... the one man show can obviously be quite trying. If anything, I think the episode proves to me quite clearly how well the two men bounce off each other and absorb one another's quirks.

During the last season, it was apparent that Rodney was gradually getting less whiny... but I still think we had glimpses of that side to his personality now and again but for the Wraith threat to keep him occupied. I don't Rodney is the kind of man who should be idle for too long... he thinks too much and doing so... he talks too much...

I found the sunblock angle quite amusing but maybe because I live in a part of the world which purportedly has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world. Everyone is paranoid about using sunscreen, hats and some kind of covering when going outdoors... ... children are sent off to school everyday covered with 30+ SPF sunscreen and floppy hats... something that is mandatory these days, I believe. To see that someone else that paranoid about skin cancer resonated with me, especially contrasted with all that over abundant gungho attitude that everyone else seems to have.

The most refreshing thing about Rodney (and to some extent, Beckett) is that he has personality traits different to most of the other characters in the show. He talks too much, not afraid to show his fears, whines (says what everyone is afraid to say) and pushes everyone's patience to untold limits. But that's who he is... It's a nice contrast to everyone's seeming lack of fear, stoicism and politeness. I rather liked what Major Lorne said to him about his "having to be some kind of genius because Col Sheppard hasn't shot you yet"... (which incidentally, evokes "I shot him" in Hide and Seek).

I think we were presented with the whole spectrum of the character in the episode... vanity, fearfulness, a man pushed to limits and even a little tendresse in his scenes with Ford.... No... I didn't mind Rodney at all... ;)
and hopefully we'll see more of that tendresse in later episodes.

Auralis
July 30th, 2005, 02:57 PM
Who else things that Ford is going to secure that wraith dart for himself?

AGateFan
July 30th, 2005, 03:01 PM
Who else things that Ford is going to secure that wraith dart for himself?

How, its not like they transported him into the Dart itself just into some type of transport buffer. Now once they take him out of the buffer on the mother ship I think the Wraith in the immediate vicinty are scrwd and Ford will be in enzyne heaven.

LoveYouBaby
July 30th, 2005, 03:01 PM
Who else things that Ford is going to secure that wraith dart for himself?

Me!

Did anyone else sorta laugh when Sheppard was telling Ronan that the Stargate is guarded and Ronan was like, "Stargate?" and Sheppard replied, "Stargate, big circle thing" moving his head in a circular motion?

lol :D

Flowerbud
July 30th, 2005, 03:44 PM
I enjoyed this episode a lot.

I can see how McKay could be reduced to comic foil without any of the depth. But, his scenes were so funny and I was laughing out loud.

Jason Momoa is a very good actor. He brought some depth to his role which I was afraid would just be a muscle man with a little angst. I like the character of Ronon. This one's a winner.

Rainbow Sun Francks did a fabulous job. It was heartbreaking seeing the sweet, joyful Ford popping up in between the crazed, maniacal freak. I wasn't a big fan of Ford, but I hope they find a way to keep him on the show after this arc is finished.

Caldwell was great. He just seems like such an adult among our crew. He brought up some very important points and it was nice to see Sheppard get confronted for some of his decisions although Caldwell was a little mean bringing up Sumner. ;)

Quinn Mallory
July 30th, 2005, 04:05 PM
I quite enjoyed this action packed episode. Love the interaction between McKay and Ford. In fact, I thought Rainbow Sun Franks was great in this episode. Now was Ford really about to shoot Sheppard before Ronan took him out? I can understand he really wanting to shoot McKay (since even saner character feel that way from time to time) but did the gun go off only after Ronan jumped on Ford or was Ford really nut enough to want to at least wound Sheppard?

Another minor thing, I don't know if it's just a issue of my tv (and/or video tape) but the fight between Ronan and Ford was a bit dark to see.

I hope it won't be too long until we see Ford again (Sheppard should have mentioned meeting his cousin...actually, McKay should have brought up the trip back to Earth).

prion
July 30th, 2005, 04:09 PM
I laughed myself silly at Rodney's suntan lotion (100 spf!) becuase... such a thing exists, in Canada, but it's banned in the USofA because it contains Mexoryl. Makes me wonder if that's not some kind of in=joke....

Recognized Major Lorne as soon as I saw him from that Unas SG1 ep. Interesting to see they're transferring some of the guest characters from SG1 to SGA. Just do NOT, repeat DO NOT, xfer Felger, not unless he vanishes in a transporter accident. Ack. Oh in fact, think that SG1 episode hits syndication next week (with Lorne)

Ford was great. Friend-pal-buddy one minute, "I'm going to kill you" the next. Definitely has some problems! ;) Can't wait to see him again. The scene with Shep was great; before he runs off into the beam he yells soemthing like I'll show you! Part of him doesn't mind killing McKay for defending himself (as Ford was about to aim his gun at McKay). Sorta of schizo to some degree but it sure seems like he's trying to prove himself to Shep to let him back on the team and back to Atlantis. Oh and the fight scene with Dex was good too.

McKay was overall good, especially when confronted with Ford, but dind't care for the screaming after he ran off shooting. It was so much like the Capital One tv ad that I keep seeing that I couldn't help associate it with it, and I'd like to think he wouldn't yell so much, not after a whole year in Pegasus.... But I don't mind McKay whining, but would rather him whine with purpose, not just to whine. When he put his foot down adn told Ford he was going off to the jumper by himself, THAT was McKay. Obnoxious, do what he wants.

Sheppard - quite enjoyed his scenes with Caldwell, who is shaping up to be a good characte.r He's not so much a jerk as insensitive in some respects. Geez, is every commander who visits Atlantis going to drag up Sumner and shove that in Sheppard's face? I mean, Everett acknowkedges what Shep did was correct, but along comes Caldwell to twist the knife in again.

I didn't consider this to be a great episode because it just didn't flow smoothly. I mean, Beckett is prepping for surgery in the broad daylight but doesn't get started till it's dark? Geez, was he making Dex fill out insurance forms or what? And no locals? No stitches? pick pick ;)

Dex was introduced well (considering how TPTB made the mistake of introducing Jonas - you NEVER kill off a character and introduce his replacement in teh same peisode and tell people to like him). Looks like the producers learned ;) Got an episode in between and Ford is still alive, if not somewhat psycho, and it seems that Dex is leery about the Atlantis folk, which make sense.

Hmm, McKay's got a new shirt. Wow! but he was back in blue at the end. Like all blue better than brown with a blue stripe. Brown & blue, eh, don't go together.

What I want to see in future eps is more Sheppard & McKay snark; it was missing as Mckay did most of his snarking to the replacement major....

More obnoxious McKay (but not just whining for the sake of it)

More Shep :)

Daniel's_twin
July 30th, 2005, 04:28 PM
Good episode. The introduction of Ronen Dex (sp?) was very well-done IMO. The parts with McKay were hilarious. Between his homemade sunscreen, listing off how much radiation he was exposed to, and then the scenes of him from after he shot Ford to when he got stuck up a tree were classic moments. The action was pretty sweet, especially Ronen vs. Super-Ford. I must admit, it was kinda nice to see Ford again, even if he is addicted to the Ensyme and now crazy. The showdown between him and Sheppard was very good. I did not expect him to run into the Wraith beam, so it took me by surprise.

I could continue to rant, but I doubt I could come up with anything different then what you guys already talked about. I enjoyed SG-1 better, but I still loved Atlantis. I give it ****1/2. :cool:

sparklegem
July 30th, 2005, 05:49 PM
Ford-Rainbow Sun Franks did an incredible job. It was heartwrenching to see the normally sunny Aiden shine through (He got promoted, good for him!), turn to desperation at trying to break through his alienation, his despair and then his his more aggressive and threatened moments. It was so smart to force Ford and McKay together, because they didn't have reason to be close and McKay would be the least threatening to him. I think it enabled Ford to interact much more freely with an Atlantis presence that wouldn't be so much of a grounded presence for Ford, if that makes any sense. On a more humorous note, I couldn't help but ask McKay, "You want to test SuperFord's prime prediction power?'

Ronan-I like Ronan. I can't imagine losing seven years of your life to his existance.

Sheppard and Caldwell-I really like the dynamic Caldwell brings, adding a more detached and cold but still valid point-of-view. I don't see him as ruthless as Maybourne wanting to imprison/kill Teal'c because he might be indirectly useful, but appreciate what he adds to the mix. Their clash adds more insight to the situation.

I found the Sheppard/Teyla scene in the cave amusing as the Atlantis rendition of the infamous "It's my sidearm, I swear."

MALP scene-Could someone help me with this?-I don't understand how you can assess the status of a planet from what's right next to the Stargate. I can't imagine the only place on the planet they occupied is right next to the Stargate. They could still be surviving somewhere else or underground like we've already seen with the Genii. I can accept the 'more exploring done offscreen' for other situations, and primitive cultures may not have expanded as much, but in this scenario it was plainly evident that everyone was telling Ronan his world was dead because of one MALP picture.

McKay
I've read many posts that express concerns of McKay being shown as a buffoon, and I do see where you're coming from, but I must disagree and hope that I'm not in an apparent minority. I didn't see McKay as over the top or out of character. And I especially enjoyed his interactions with Ford, from trying to mollify him to refusing to take another step to "When did this escalate to killing?!" while upside down.

I didn't see his behavior as any sort of contradiction to last season or in spite of any character development because this situation was very different from others. In this episode, Rodney was completely out of his element with no clear objective. He went to this planet because Ford was on it, not in any scientific capacity, no clear goal to invest his energy toward. His role, situation, and safety were all uncertain as he trailed around a forest soaked in radiation, completely out of place, with an off-balance Ford, who he was suppose to be psyching (because he has such good people skills). There was nothing straight forward or familiar; nothing down his alley to help him feel like he had some control. I mean, when Ford was pursuing him with a gun, Rodney was lost, running through a strange, dark forest by himself. That's why I think his whining and reactionary behaviors were amplified. In "The Defiant One" it was clear cut that Sheppard was battling a Wraith in order to regain the puddle jumper and needed help. In other situations like "The Storm" and "The Eye" Rodney's primary function was as a scientist, he was in familiar surroundings, and therefore probably felt less out of control. He had to deal with manipulating the city under Kolya's threat but with the outstanding objective of bringing up the shields for him to focus on. He could apply his aptitudes to the situation.

Last week I was bewildered how the radiation exposure was written off as a sunburn, when some side-effects could have been mentioned as a result of their endeavor, and considering that radiation poisoning took Daniel's life. So I was very pleased to see the concern revisited. I can understand McKay being even more sensitive about radiation after Intruder; Hermiod thought it was enough to kill them.

It's also possible he was additionally unnerved by Ford, because even though he's seen his colleagues die and been in dangerous situations himself, seeing Ford, someone he worked with, unhinged and lost part of his mind brings to light a different sort of threat, from Ford himself but also the notion of what happened to him.

I'm not saying his character should remain stagnant. I don't think a year ago he would have actually shot at Ford when threatened. I wonder what he was actually aiming for, because that was a good shot to the arm.

acdj31
July 30th, 2005, 06:09 PM
I really liked this ep. I loved that tptb had Major Lorne there. I like him in the SG-1 ep. in season 7. I was hoping he would come back in SG-1 but this is better than I thought.
I liked the scenes with Ford and McKay. McKay was being McKay in this ep. But at the end when McKay shot Ford and ran away, I didn't like. I hope that tptb develop McKay more in military things because after awhile it is not going to be funny any more.

Sela
July 30th, 2005, 06:14 PM
Sheppard - quite enjoyed his scenes with Caldwell, who is shaping up to be a good characte.r He's not so much a jerk as insensitive in some respects. Geez, is every commander who visits Atlantis going to drag up Sumner and shove that in Sheppard's face? I mean, Everett acknowkedges what Shep did was correct, but along comes Caldwell to twist the knife in again.
I don't think Caldwell brought up Sumner just to be a jerk, but to bring Sheppard back to the reality of the situation. To Caldwell, looking from the outside in on both situations, it was the same thing. It was a hard, cold thing to say, but IMHO, it was the exact thing to say to Sheppard to make him understand what exactly was going on. If he could get him, fine. If not -shoot him.

Interestingly enough, Everett was just like Sheppard is now when it came to Sumner. They've switched roles. Everett wanted Sumner saved and blamed Sheppard for shooting him. Sheppard did what he had to do reluctantly to keep Sumner's information out of enemy hands. Now, Shep feels like Everett did and Caldwell is saying, do what needs to be done to keep the information out of enemy hands.

Nice twist on that by the writers.

saxamoophone
July 30th, 2005, 08:18 PM
Not as good as last week, but, enjoyable.

I just don't like how Ford is a drug-addict and unable to control himself. Because the way it's being written right now, they seem to be keeping it safe, such that, they can rescue him one day and bring him right back to the good old ford (the one that didn't have any lines).

I would have liked it much better if ford WAS in control of himself, and, while still wanting to befriend the Atlantis crew, thinks that these superman abilities are too useful to risk loosing. Make him go on a one-man mission to destroy the wraith.

Physco Ford just seems like he'll getting boring soon. And, for Rainbow, i wanta make sure he gets a great character development if he's going to get booted from the main cast for this (although, it's nice to see he still gets a main cast credit, i wonder if that'll last?)

rhade
July 30th, 2005, 08:43 PM
I thought it was a good episode. It wasn't the best but I liked seeing the support characters get out of the city and it was fun. I thought Caldwell was good and had a point I think that he brings reality to Atlantis. Was Weir even in the episode beause I almost didn't notice at all. Mckay was a little to over the top but I did like his interaction with Ford. Is it me or do they forget that they barely made it out of of the seige alive. It was ok but it served its role in introducing new characters and showing that they Atlatnis is not in the clear and that it is only a matter of time until the Wraith realize that they are still there and that the City is too.

Shouldn't they try not attracting attension to themselves by being in uniform and all. I just think that the Wraith would of been all of the ruins of the city after the pretend explosion. Like was said last year the Wraith should of gone after the scraps of the city so they could get to Earth. Is it me or did they seem to forget that plot point so far.

sparklegem
July 30th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Shouldn't they try not attracting attension to themselves by being in uniform and all. I just think that the Wraith would of been all of the ruins of the city after the pretend explosion. Like was said last year the Wraith should of gone after the scraps of the city so they could get to Earth. Is it me or did they seem to forget that plot point so far.
That's what I thought at the end of Seige Pt. III. Such an elaborate self-destruct plan was necessary because the Ancients systems were really redundant and they were worried the Wraith would find what they needed among the pieces. But then they ended up going with a plan, out of desperation, that relied on the Wraith not investigating any remainders of the city. In the end, I guess the false self-destruct was their only option and they just got really, really lucky that the Wraith didn't investigate. I think they should be keeping somewhat of a low profile off-world, but they could also be refugees from Atlantis that were forced to relocate so their discovery doesn't necessarily give their secret away.

KayMan2k
July 30th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Overall, I felt that this was a very good episode and a strong introduction for Ronnon. The return of Ford was handled well; he still seemed to care for his friends on Atlantis but was clearly fighting with some level of mental instability. I really got the sense that Ford isn't out to hurt anyone, but is just really really confused. If he is ever 'cured' and returns to Atlantis he could teach us a lot about the Wraith.

I also thoroughly enjoyed seeing everyone's breath-frost appear on camera as they spoke on a supposidly very very hot planet. Guess they still can't escape Canada's cold weather. Lol....

FoolishPleasure
July 30th, 2005, 10:14 PM
My 2-cents worth:

Really liked this episode. Ronon is going to bring a nice, gritty edge to the show. . hopefully. Jason Momoa did a very good job in a tough situation as the "new guy on the block" and the fight scene with Ford was excellent.

Rainbow did another terrific job. Ford now has some "issues" that could get interesting in the future and I'm hoping we see him as a "regular recurring" character (is there such thing? ;) ).

Lots of discussion and ranting on McKay. He was "close" to over-the-top here, but I really like McKay, even when he is on caffeine overdose. One thing is certain - you never miss a word he says. :D

Caldwell - short screen time, but he was right in talking to Sheppard. The Wraith think Atlantis is GONE and bi-polar Super Ford is a danger to them. But we all knew Shep would go for the leg shot instead of a head shot. He tried to help retrieve his friend, but unfortunately it didn't work.

Weir - not much this week, but after two weeks of good character development, she had to take a back seat to introduce Ronon Dex. Happens sometimes. :D

Teyla - Still boring as ever. *shaking head* The only thing interesting that she did was stare at Ronon's chest (or was it the necklace he was wearing?).

tsaxlady
July 30th, 2005, 10:16 PM
Overall I really enjoyed this episode.

Like Ronon Dex and look forward to seeing how they develop this character more.

This is the best acting I've seen from RSF I really enjoyed watching his transformation of Ford from the gunho military kid to the drug controled agressive character.

Enjoyed what the character of Caldwell has to bring to the table. I look forward to seeing more of the interaction between him, Sheppard, and Weir.

I really did not like the whiny McKay though. I'm a big McKay/Hewlitt fan and he was just over the top whiny in my opinion this week.

Unamed
July 31st, 2005, 03:00 AM
Holy Sh*t! That episode was amazing! I just dont know what it is about the night based eps but the'r just great especially this one. The plot was good at introducing Dex and letting us get to know him- but not too much. He is a great charachter w/ lots of potential.
The ford arc was mind blowing, I love ford even more so now, his reaction unpon hearind Shep's promo was priceless and it shows us that ford isnt all that changed. He looked a bit like rambo with the heaband, but thats cool!! He even showed a bit of emotion, and we saw that he does want to be back with the team. I hope in the fucture when the Ford arc is over he will be brough back as a regular.
The new soldiers were really good too, and we actually got to know one a bit although (forgot his name!).
Sheppard was his usual self, clever funny and a good soldier which for me is great.
Teyla didnt annoy me!
I loved rodneys attempt to be "a hard man" when he shot Ford and then quickly returning to the lovable coward!
Caldwell is the new bates!! IMO he has the same views, he looks out for the good of the city and its people without letting emotions get in the way. This I think is a good thing to have in the city.
All in alll I loved this episode and dare i say i find myself liking Atlantis alot more than SG1......blasphemy I know!

QuiGonJohn
July 31st, 2005, 06:53 AM
Good episode. Major Lorne kinda reminds me of the chief from BSG.

I guess Ronan will stay with them to help fight the Wraith, who he also hates.

knowsfords
July 31st, 2005, 07:27 AM
Btw, at first I thought teyla was checking out his chest... just rewatched it and it was indeed the feeding scar she was looking at.

ShadowMaat
July 31st, 2005, 07:31 AM
I actually find it kinda funny that people thought Teyla was ogling Dex's chest. Because when they cut to a shot of his chest, I was staring at it trying to figure out what we were supposed to be looking at. ;) Me being me, I didn't notice the scars. ;) I got distracted by the pretty baubles around his neck. :D

It'd be funny if he had a necklace of Wraith teeth, but that's probably more along the lines of what Ford would do. lol

SGLAB
July 31st, 2005, 11:12 AM
Btw, at first I thought teyla was checking out his chest... just rewatched it and it was indeed the feeding scar she was looking at.

I also noticed a brief look between Ronon and Teyla at that point. He seemed to shake his head just a little as if telling her to be quiet about what she was noticing, whatever that was.

Shipperahoy
July 31st, 2005, 11:36 AM
I want to add to the very deserved props being given Rainbow. He did a completely fantastic job. It takes some talent to play boyish enthusiasm, manic excitement, and wounded puppy dog like that. The look on his face when he got shot, first by McKay and then by Shep, was heartbreaking. Poor Ford. Of course it also makes me miss Rainbow's presence on the show even more but I'm glad that he's finally been given a role that he can really sink his teeth into.

lord-anubis
July 31st, 2005, 11:36 AM
this ep is my fave so far makay was great in this ep. when talking about the radason and when he keep saying how did we get to shooting or killing and when he shot ford and did exactly what i would have done after that run lol and then he was scameing after he ran out of bulltes. i tihnk im going to keep this ep saved on my tvio for a while

impulsivelad
July 31st, 2005, 11:41 AM
Yeah, I really loved this episode. Mckay was fantastic with the running while shooting and screaming for help! And I love the new crackhead Ford. Sometimes you forget he's messed up and then things quickly turn scary.

CuJoX
July 31st, 2005, 12:50 PM
Great episode. McKay was hilarious. Loved SuperFord. Finally got to see Dex, great addition to the team.

spiceweasel
July 31st, 2005, 01:02 PM
I didnt really like this one as much as seige 3 and intruder. NEW GUY episode! :p

quarkscrews
July 31st, 2005, 01:16 PM
Great episode. The runner bares a resemblance to Billy Zane. I wonder if he'll be a regular on the show. Dude will be a nice addition.

It's a nice touch on the writing dat they didn't bring back Rainbow in one episode and extending his particular arc further.

Kudos as always for the cast doing what they do so well. McKay as always milking his phobias, funny as hell. Shepard with his sly sense of humor yet it doesn't overshadow a grounded seriousness to matters at hand.

Teyla disappointed me in the end of the other episode when she was handing out reports and acting like a love boat hostess though, writers need to give her more than that and i see a glimmer of it in this episode.

The doctor gets some time here and it's the same old song a la Bones except with a Scottish accent, dude deserves more and not stay 2 dimensional.

And last but not least, the leader, what's her name? Good as always being the leader, full of optimism, easy on the eyes.

coolove
July 31st, 2005, 01:47 PM
Runner was the first episode of this season that I didn't find boring and it's mostly due to the Ford storyline. I just can't believe how fabulous Rainbow has been handling the many complexities of this new darker character. Let's just hope the writers don't screw this up.

I tend to agree with some the opinions on the overdramatization of Mckay. He's been doing this for how long? He's acting like it's his first offworld mission. And while I found some humerous moments between him, Ford and Major Lorne, it was way over the top and a little unusual. This is why I think any non military personal on SGA who go offworld should be trained in weapons and military tactics.

I'm not impressed with Ronan at all. His backstory and reasoning for staying on Atlantis is too convenient and a bit obvious. He's just a glorified and a poorly written version of Teal'c. I do however like Jason Momao after seeing him in some other projects but it's going to take a lot to win me over on this character.

My favorite moments have to be the smackdown of Sheppard by Caldwell. Bless that man's heart. I love him. Shep needs to be put in his place every once in a while and realize that he can't base everything on his personal feelings.

GatetheWay
July 31st, 2005, 02:26 PM
How is Ronan ANYTHING like Teal'c apart from being an alien warrior tough guy.

Teal'c originaly was in an army fighting for the bad guys while Ronan was in an army fighting against the bad guys.

Teal'c's people were being enslaved by the goauld. Ronan's people were destroyed by the Wrath.

Ronan held Shep and Teyla hostage in order for then to help him remove the tracking device. Then he saved McKay from getting shot. He stayed in Atlantis because he is no longer running and he's home has been destroyed. He has no place to go. Teal'c turned against his 'gods' which resulted in the exile of his family and he stayed with SG-1 because he saw the Tauri as the best chance to defeat the goauld.

If I hadn't seen "Threshold" I'd find Teal'cs betrayl of his 'gods' less likely then Ronan staying with Atlantis.

ShadowMaat
July 31st, 2005, 02:33 PM
How are Ronon and Teal'c alike? They're both technically alien, they're both warriors, they're both big sexy brutes and they both have deep grumbly voices. :D But really? Not that similar.

As for Teyla, yeah, she continues to fail to impress. It's a shame she isn't given more to do. Maybe she can get possessed by a Wraith and be secretly working to undermine Atlantis and book passage to Earth for the Wraith fleet. Give her something a little more character building than a new top. ;)

coolove
July 31st, 2005, 02:45 PM
How is Ronan ANYTHING like Teal'c apart from being an alien warrior tough guy.


That's what I'm saying. In that respect they are alike. Been there done that. I was hoping there was something new to this character that we hadn't seen in others before. To me, Ronan thus far is much like a mixture of Teal'c and Teyla with a few bits of Tyr from Andromeda.

GhostPoet
July 31st, 2005, 02:47 PM
Man...I am so impressed. Atlantis is just getting better and better..I LOVE what they did to Ford..and the new guy is freakin awesome. Oh man..it's a good time to be a Gate fan!!

ShadowMaat
July 31st, 2005, 03:02 PM
That's what I'm saying. In that respect they are alike. Been there done that. I was hoping there was something new to this character that we hadn't seen in others before. To me, Ronan thus far is much like a mixture of Teal'c and Teyla with a few bits of Tyr from Andromeda.
I think Ronon is a little more high tech than Teal'c. To mince words, I'd call Teal'c a warrior, but I'd call Ronon a soldier. Maybe it's only semantics, but I have a feeling there's more to it than just that.

JanusAncient
July 31st, 2005, 03:20 PM
An improvement, this episode was. Although I have to say, that the craven Rodney, did annoy me immensely, it was such a slap in the face of what he had become, from "The Defiant One," up until "The Siege Part III."

Lt. Aiden Ford, Wraith enzyme addicted, paranoid schizophrenic, was amazing, hop along to the happy go lucky Ford, from season one, to the menacing contradictory Ford, capable of shooting his best friend, if rubbed the wrong way, FANTASTIC!

Ronon Dex, I was impressed, I had not judged the guy either way, upon seeing him in this episode, his capabilities as a fighter, his disheartened, I just want to be free from being hunted by the Wraith, I wish to return to my people sensibilities were well played, subtle, but definitely acted well. I do wish they could have kept him in the Wraith garb, he was in, when he stabbed the upside down Wraith through the chest, he looked better, and more of a threat in those, and of course immune to the Wraith, a bonus in my book.

Teyla, I like her, I do, but I really wish tptb would give her more to work with, she is capable of so much more than she has been offering. Her interactions with Ronon, were sentimental, and Ronon requested that she help him, to remove his shirt, I was looking at the Wraith bones, hanging from cords around his neck, and never noticed any scars on his chest.

Sheppard, I usually don't like the guy, except for "Rising," but in this episode he was on point, except when he left Rodney, with Dex, in order to chase after Ford, I would never trust the safety of a friend, in the company of a dangerous stranger, his confrontations with Caldwell, were well played, I am interested to see how this relationship will develope.

Puddle Jumper, I hadn't seen a Jumper constructed in such an odd fashion before, with a smooth top, and if I'm correct, the internal lights and controls weren't the same, as previously seen in Puddle Jumpters to date.

New people, you didn't die, well done, I mean seriously the new guys, are usually always targeted for interrogation, assassination, murder, or horrific life sucking death, so survive on, at least until the next episode.

coolove
July 31st, 2005, 03:21 PM
Maybe it's only semantics, but I have a feeling there's more to it than just that.

Let's hope that the writers don't turn Ronan's story into something cliche. I think that's the part I'm most concerned about.

Easter Lily
July 31st, 2005, 03:23 PM
I think Ronon and Teal'c are very different... particularly in personality...
Obviously the two men are trained killers but I think Ronon's age and life experience probably sets him apart. He is more of an orphan than Teal'c ever was. He's been on the run for seven years and has no more immediate ties (at least at this stage). That would probably distinguish him from Teal'c in the short-term...

Also... he's far more communicative than the early Teal'c... :p

At the end of the day... anybody can appear like anyone... if you find enough common ground between them...

SophieTucker
July 31st, 2005, 05:26 PM
Sheppard, I usually don't like the guy, except for "Rising," but in this episode he was on point, except when he left Rodney, with Dex, in order to chase after Ford, I would never trust the safety of a friend, in the company of a dangerous stranger, his confrontations with Caldwell, were well played, I am interested to see how this relationship will develope.

I noticed that - only I don't know why he would have thought Dex would have rescued Rodney - it looked like he just left Rodney as Wraith bait while he went after Ford. But then I don't really get the impression that Sheppard considers McKay a friend - with the possible exception of The Defiant One - but certainly not season three.

Merlin7
July 31st, 2005, 06:09 PM
I noticed that - only I don't know why he would have thought Dex would have rescued Rodney - it looked like he just left Rodney as Wraith bait while he went after Ford. But then I don't really get the impression that Sheppard considers McKay a friend - with the possible exception of The Defiant One - but certainly not season three.


I think that Sheppard is the guy who trusts his instincts. LIke he did in trusting Teyla he trusts Ronon. Plus he's kinda supposed to go after Ford. Rock and a hard place. He can't win, period.

And I think he's friends with McKay. He's the one that trusts McKay to always figure something out and he says as much. I think he also trusts him to be able to take care of himself. Shep can't stay with everyone all the time.

I like that Shep and McKay are friends in teh way guys are friends. It's an Odd couple friendship. They're as opposite as opposite can be but still manage to click together. It's their TEAMWORK that saves Atlantis over and over again.

Droops
July 31st, 2005, 06:59 PM
First, I think this was better than the SG-1 episode. I liked that one fine but found the plot to be clunky. Runner was good, entertaining, and I didn't find a lot of times where I was scratching my head and wondering WTF just happened.

Criticism: Okay, three wraith darts come through. They sweep with their beams but they couldn't pick up anyone until Ford jumped in. WTF? Those things are usually accurate but there they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn? Or pick up anyone else? And why did they leave when Ford was on board? Weren't they coming for Dex?

Caldwell. He's pounding on Sheppard about Summner. Sheppard was already forgiven for that. Give it up. Caldwell can hate Sheppard for other things, and give him grief for those, but let's leave the Sumner stuff behind now, shall we?

Praise: Absolutely LOVED what RSF did with Ford. If TPTB haven't signed RSF to some more episodes for next season, they should. That character needs to recur and be developed!

Love his interaction with McKay. It's nice to see the writers showing interaction with people you wouldn't expect.

Dex was fine. I thought that the introduction was good, it gave us what we needed and gives us a reason to keep watching.

Not much Weir, but that wasn't necessary this week.

Lorne was fun, hope that character recurs now and then as well.

I'm not much of a McKay fan so if I find it irritating I just dismiss it as being in character. His talks with Ford were great, his interactions with Ford were tops, and past that it was, IMO, McKay being McKay.

Sheppard was what I expected and he pulled it off just fine. Great job JF.

I actually liked Teyla this show. First, most of the show she was in uniform and not sporting a nothing outfit. Second, she had interaction with other characters that was useful. I agree that she needs more development, but I was actually encouraged just a tiny bit by this episode.

LOVED the fight scene between Dex and Ford. Great stuff.

All in all, I was entertained and found myself talking about this episode with my wife more than the SG-1 or even BSG.

Liam Kincaid
July 31st, 2005, 09:05 PM
I don't think that Ford will betray Atlantis on purpose, but don't the Wraith have telepathic powers, especially regarding someone in Ford's condition. By going aboard a Wraith ship won't he be letting the Wraith know that Atlantis was not really destroyed, even though he doesn't want to let them know this? Unless he somehow manages to kill every Wraith aboard the ship, which seems to me to be very unlikely. Won't the Wraith now soon attack Atlantis again?

Xanderic
July 31st, 2005, 09:22 PM
He was only on a Dart. I think he'll kill the Wraith(s) driving it.

rhade
July 31st, 2005, 09:29 PM
I gotta say that I enjoyed SG-1 much more than this episode. We have a new potentially multi-season bad guy, more burning cause that was fun in Avalon Pt. 2 and it creates a much bigger threat to the galaxy than even the Wraith currently possess. Runner was cool and all but it didn't have the atmosphere that Origin has and I think SG-1 just brought in a better bad guy. It will be interesting to see what they reveal about them. I guess it is that they are so different than the Wraith. The Wraith want a food supply. As there sole purpose is to have a stable feeding ground while the Ori believe themselves to be gods and in some way they are right with all the powers those Ascended folk have. You can see how over millions of years they would feel like they deserve to be worshipped.

Anyways about Runner

Runner was a good character episode for Ford and a good intro for Ron I look forward to how it develops. The fight scene was just cool and even after reading all the other views I still think that Mckay was too over the top. Well next week looks to be good and I for one can't wait.

I can't wait to see what happens with Ron though although I agree that his background fits a little to perfectly I hope that they will be able to make him unique. I think it would be better if they use him as a special forces person to go where they can't because it would reveal Atlantis has survived. I think he shouldn't come to Atlantis right away but want to remain independent and live with people he knows go on another planet for awhile and while he does he could act as a scout and intel guy, instead of just being apart of a team. But I look forward to whatever the writers do as long as it is done well.

derrickh
July 31st, 2005, 11:17 PM
Dex hasn't done anything that should cause anyone to trust him. Look at his actions. He attacked the group without provocation. He kidnapped 2 people to force safe passage to the gate. When he found out they had the ability to remove his chip, he still kept Teyla hostage (who seems to suffer from Stockholm syndrome). He went after Ford, and tried to kill him. (You don't get in a knife fight with someone unless you intend to do damage). Then, when he got back to Atlantis, he told Shepard that he could take out the guards whenever he felt like it. Thats called a threat.

So why is Dex getting cut so much slack? Judging from this ep, he should be in the brig.

Teyla should be screaming to put this guy in chains but she's too busy ogling his scars (chicks dig scars) and practicing light bondage acts with him. Listening to her talk about 'legends of Runners' like they're celebrities after Dex has physically abused her is disturbing. It's like she was saying 'Yeah, he shot me, and tied me up, and threatened to kill me, but it's ok, because he's a legend'.

D

watcher652
August 1st, 2005, 02:05 AM
Here’s my stream of conscious post about Runner. I'll read what every one else says about the episode after I post this.


- Nice new shirt, Rodney. Although I personally don’t like a style that draws attention to the sides of my stomach. Are you the only one who will be wearing this style, like your blue with black side panel shirt? Will Elizabeth have one with red panels?
- Rodney saying “Do you see my complexion? Yes, it’s very fair. Extremely fair. This isn’t fair.” Ha!
- Rodney has a point. Why does he need to go on the mission? He’s a scientist. They aren’t going to be using his skills here.
- Caldwell has a point. Ford is a significant threat. But just because Dr. Beckett thinks there may not be anything that can be done for Ford, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try. Caldwell seems to have written off Ford.
- Are we never going to hear the end about Sumner? Get over it. Everett has.
- Convenient that they can’t use the life signs detectors because of the radiation absorbing plants.
- Boy, is John cranky. He was pretty nice with Rodney last week.
- Rodney’s obsession with radiation makes me wonder about his grade six project. Was it the radiation that got him interested in nuclear bombs, or did his research on bombs make him more aware of the dangers of radiation?
- Given Rodney’s allergies, you’d think he’d go for an unscented sunscreen.
- Does John really use Aqua Velva or was that just a snide remark about whatever aftershave John uses?
- Love how Rodney points out that he should know more about radiation that a botanist.
- If McKay is on the mission so Ford would have a familiar face to talk to, then why are John and Teyla on a team and those two Marines on another? Wouldn’t it make more sense to split John and Teyla to be on a team with one of the Marines?
- I can see how freaked out Rodney was last week. Radiation, claustrophobia, and getting shot down by a computer virus controlled F-302 could cause a normal person to snap. Last week’s close encounter with a sun has brought his radiation obsession to the foreground.
- Rodney also is a chemist making his own sunscreen.
- Rodney has a new victim to complain to. So he’s probably going to whine more. John wouldn’t let him get away with it.
- Why are the Wraith grenades and the stunner still where the dead Wraith was found? The body has already been moved. Is someone going to retrieve the weapons at the end of the mission?
- Rodney seems more nervous this episode. Maybe because he was with this unfamiliar Major Lorne and not with his regular team? He’s so out of it he forgets the basic hand signals.
- Get the one guy who snarks at everybody to try and talk Ford into turning himself in.
- How many hours are in an Atlantis day? More than 26 since Major Lorne hasn’t heard from John and Teyla since 26:30.
- I don’t think I ever noticed that Teyla’s jacket has the command red panels. She usually has a vest over it.
- Damn, I was all set not to like Ronan but he’s good.

watcher652
August 1st, 2005, 02:07 AM
Wow, I hit the post word limit and had to make 2 posts.

- Even though Rodney didn’t seem to get along with children in Childhood’s End, he still has plans on having some. Can’t deprive the galaxy of his genius genes, I guess.
- “Stargate. Big circle thing.” That was funny how John moved his head in a circle to give a visual to his description.
- John’s learned his lesson somewhere. Let Teyla do the negotiating.
- That Wraith was still moving when Ford went over to get the enzyme. Did Ford shoot it some more first?
- The Wraith hand gun doesn’t seem to disable like the stunners do. Ronan go up pretty quickly after being hit. But isn’t that the same weapon that Ronan used on John and Teyla? It took them a bit to wake up from the effects.
- Rodney seems to be less concerned about his claustrophobia than his the fear of radiation over exposure in wearing that radiation suit.
- John: “What do hell are you’re doing?” Teyla: “ Getting my hand free.” John: “Doesn’t feel that way.” Cough!
- Hey, no snide remarks about the genius, Major Lorne!
- Psycho Ford! Hold a gun on Rodney but still want to catch up on what’s happening in Atlantis.
- What made that Wraith stop feeding on Ronan? More Wraith genetic tinkering?
- Loved the Teyla/Ronan moment. Nice way to get some backstory.
- Carson changed shirts from his white one to a black one.
- Ford has a gun on Rodney but when he hears something, he hands Rodney a gun.
- Did Carson at least give Ronan a local anesthetic?
- That Wraith tracking device looked alive, like a scorpion.
- When Rodney shows himself to 2 searching Marines, Ford shoots them, saying they can’t be trusted. Way to win Rodney’s trust, Ford.
- Rodney has had enough of this nonsense. He aims his gun at Ford, telling him he’s going to bring him in, it’s for his own good. Ford laughs, he doesn’t believe Rodney will shoot him. Ford starts to raise his own gun in his left hand. Rodney shoots and amazingly hits Ford in the left shoulder. Rodney then panics because he’s just shot Super-Ford and it can’t be good to have someone like that mad at you. So he turns tail and runs. So Rodney!
- Carson’s shirt is black with white panels. Must be the new style for department heads. I don’t recall Carson wearing a white shirt with black panels, but he usually had on a lab coat so maybe it did have the panels.
- Poor Rodney, so freaked out he’s firing his gun in the air so someone can find him. At least John knows where to look for him now.
- Rodney upside down in a snare trap. Gotta give David Hewlett credit for filming that.
- The fight between Ford and Ronan looked really good.
- Who would have thought Ford would jump into the beam? How was John supposed to know that? John didn’t have time to kill Ford if he wanted to.
- Rodney changed shirts before the briefing.
- Caldwell travels with an entourage. There were at least 4 men waiting for him outside the briefing room.
- Don’t the Wraith just beam up people when they cull? Why waste resources destroying a city? Maybe Ronan’s people were too far technologically for the Wraith and they made them an example.

This was a good intro to the new character and great job moving the Ford story along.

Rodney was great. Without John and Teyla there, he reverted back to his old frightened self that needs time to screw up enough courage to do what John or Teyla would do immediately.

I liked the new guy Ronan. I like how Rodney and Ford got a chance to interact. John is just racking up the negative points with Caldwell. At least Elizabeth, Rodney and Teyla understand what John is going through. I liked how Beckett showed a healthy amount of concern for the situation but still did what needed to be done. In the past, Beckett’s lines tended to be even more whiney than Rodney’s.

joasia
August 1st, 2005, 03:11 AM
He went after Ford, and tried to kill him. (You don't get in a knife fight with someone unless you intend to do damage).Didn't Ford reach for a knife first?

ShadowMaat
August 1st, 2005, 04:44 AM
So why is Dex getting cut so much slack? Judging from this ep, he should be in the brig.
Well, there were some token guards at the door, but basically everyone in Atlantis is an idiot and they never learn their lesson. They always trust random dangerous strangers and invite them back to see the city. :rolleyes:


- The Wraith hand gun doesn’t seem to disable like the stunners do. Ronan go up pretty quickly after being hit. But isn’t that the same weapon that Ronan used on John and Teyla? It took them a bit to wake up from the effects.
I think we're supposed to get the idea that Ronan is so super and strong and has probably been shot so many times that he can shake off the effects of the stunner.

And somewhere was a question about the Wraith still being alive as Ford moves toward it. I think that was kinda the point: Ford ripped the gland out of it while it was still alive.

joescookiem
August 1st, 2005, 07:50 AM
I liked this episode. I loved Shep's expression when Caldwell made the comment about Sumner [the muscle twitching in his cheek]. Great acting on Joe's part! Dr. McKay was hilarious. Going on about his skin and the sunscreen. I thought that Major Lorne {?was that his name?} was going to knock McKay upside the head after awhile. I thought the fight between Ford and Ronan was great. Kudos to RSF for his acting. He's been great as Super Ford.

wizzy502
August 1st, 2005, 10:31 AM
Jason "OWNS" Ronon Dex!!!

entil2001
August 1st, 2005, 10:31 AM
Robert C. Cooper is one busy guy. Not only did he completely revitalize “Stargate SG-1” (haters, look elsewhere) by steering a three-part epic, but he’s also been knee deep in giving Lt. Ford a makeover and a new motivation. Ford’s been begging for a reason to exist since the series began, thanks to a spare supporting role that even the writers knew didn’t have enough to it. So things had to change, and this is the episode where it comes together.

Rainbow might have been a little pissed when the initial idea came across the table, but he seems to have embraced the concept wholeheartedly since then. The fact is, the man is being replaced. The character of Ford is given an arc that ought to give the actor good material, but he’s been sidelined in favor of a more dynamic character. Given a choice between Ford and Ronon Dex, it’s not even a contest. Ronon gets one hell of an introduction in this episode, and for me, it works.

In a nice bit of continuity, Ronon’s introduction is directly tied to the ongoing search for Ford. Ford is running around a dangerous planet, and a team is dispatched. The team splits up almost instantly, but the writers let the story evolve organically. It doesn’t take long for Ronon to get a drop on Sheppard and Teyla (who are supposed to be rather good at this sort of thing), and in the process of gauging a potential enemy, Ronon demonstrates some serious warrior skills. The man is simply badass, and for the ladies, let’s just say my wife was paying a lot more attention once he was on-screen.

The writers do a nice job of giving Ronon a background that plays into the overall series arc. A couple of intriguing elements are introduced. Apparently, the Wraith have some interesting ideas about organized sports, because some of their prisoners are turned into “runners”, who the Wraith implant with tracking devices and then hunt down. Why the Wraith would do that is probably going to become important as the season marches on, but for now, it gives a solid reason for Ronon’s somewhat paranoid response to visitors.

Ford is a lot more fun with his neat personality shifts. He provides a nice counterpoint to Ronon’s paranoia. Ronon is paranoid because he has absolutely good reason for it; Ford is riding high on a chemical cocktail that keeps his judgment from kicking in. Ford seems to want to retain the confidence of his former friends, but his temper and paranoia keep getting in the way. In the name of proving that the “new man” he has become is a good thing, he keeps escalating an already very bad situation.

Prior to this episode, it looks like Ford was taking it to the Wraith, perhaps for the purposes of testing his worth. That’s what makes his decision to jump into the Wraith beam so disturbing. Does he think that he can take down a Wraith ship himself? Far more likely, he will be handing the Wraith a rather interesting biological experiment.

Early on in the episode, McKay gets to play the sarcastic and bumbling scientist again. Once Ford grabs him, however, McKay is locked in a duel of wits, and his desperation shines through. McKay seems to be the go-to character for that kind of material, but the writers need to be careful. Like Daniel Jackson before him, McKay needs to get character development to remain fresh. It doesn’t have to be much, especially since the seeds have already been planted in the first season.

I wasn’t thrilled with Teyla’s involvement in this episode, but the writers are letting her have a quick connection to Ronon. They probably have more in common than the rest of the characters, and Teyla is supposed to be quite the competent warrior herself. I say, “supposed to be”, because she’s not been utilized much this season at all. Since I enjoy the very sight of Rachel Luttrell on my television screen, I’d like it to include more of the fierce substance that marked her earlier appearances.

Going into this episode, I wasn’t sure how the new character introduction was going to go. It could have been a lot more heavy-handed. Instead, the transition was handled as elegantly as the more obvious transition on “SG-1”. Ending this episode with a nearly exact repeat of the confrontation from premiere was a stroke of genius by the actors (who demanded it be so, to hear tell). Add to that some great flashbacks to Ronon’s Wraith-repelling days and one damn fine fight scene, and this continues to keep the series moving in the right direction.

greytop
August 1st, 2005, 05:42 PM
A great way, IMO, to introduce Ronon Dex. I enjoyed the some of the lighter moments.

Shep: What are you doing?
Teyla: Trying to free my hand.
Shep: That's not what I thought it was.

The time McKay was upside down in a tree and Dex and Ford just finished fighting. It was the look Dex had when McKay asked him to free him.

Also the conversation that McKay had with the Major Lorne that ended in McKay not having kids.

SophieTucker
August 1st, 2005, 06:01 PM
It looks like some people were upset with this ep and others like it. Am I correct that the people that don't particularly like McKay were okay with this ep but those that like the character had trouble with it?

As for Ronan, he's no Tyr Anasazi.

Lida
August 1st, 2005, 06:05 PM
I think we're supposed to get the idea that Ronan is so super and strong and has probably been shot so many times that he can shake off the effects of the stunner.

Well, after being a runner for 7 years, during which time, he was probably shot innumerable times, I would think Dex has developed a combination of strength and a relative immunity to the effects of the Wraith energy weapon.

Guess we're supposed to believe Ford is so tuff (like the truck, maybe), that he'll just waltz away from being culled by the Wraith? Oh, I forgot, he's Super Ford now. LOL

It's a TV series, remember? ;) I could have sworn you didn't get emotionally involved with TV characters................... :S

ShadowMaat
August 1st, 2005, 06:19 PM
It looks like some people were upset with this ep and others like it. Am I correct that the people that don't particularly like McKay were okay with this ep but those that like the character had trouble with it?
Not across the board, no. I've heard some big-time McKay fans say they loved everything about McKay in this ep, but there are others (like myself) who think TPTB pushed him just a little too far in a couple of places. *shrug*

Likewise, I'm sure there are people who had issues with the ep which had nothing to do with McKay. :)

I thought it was a good ep, over-all. Brilliant stuff with Ford, good intro for Dex, and I am LOVING Lorne. :D I wish McKay had been toned down a notch, but I can still live with it. As long as I ignore the girly screaming...

Betcha they made Hewlett shoot that scene a million times, too, along with the upside down bit. hehe

sparklegem
August 1st, 2005, 06:19 PM
It looks like some people were upset with this ep and others like it. Am I correct that the people that don't particularly like McKay were okay with this ep but those that like the character had trouble with it?

In general, it seems that you're right, but I just want to make clear that I'm one of the people who hasn't had a problem with Rodney this season, and he's my favorite character. I care about him a lot.

Easter Lily
August 1st, 2005, 06:22 PM
It looks like some people were upset with this ep and others like it. Am I correct that the people that don't particularly like McKay were okay with this ep but those that like the character had trouble with it?

As for Ronan, he's no Tyr Anasazi.

Can't speak for everyone else...
But my enjoyment of the episode had little to do with McKay... but then I didn't have a huge problem with McKay's antics... I just shrug my shoulders and say... "ah... Rodney..." and smile knowingly...

I particularly liked the unfolding of the story and the use of the "Runner" motif...

warmbeachbrat
August 1st, 2005, 06:27 PM
I was watching Letters from Pegasus over the weekend and I must say that RSF's acting is really very good. In LFP he was kind of a gee-whiz, happy-go-lucky (well, as much as you could be in a foreign galaxy) especially when recording his message to his grandparents. To compare his character in that episode to his character in Runner is just amazing. Flashes of the old Ford with the new SuperFord and RSF making it seem seamless and believable. I am very impressed.

Blue007
August 1st, 2005, 07:07 PM
It looks like some people were upset with this ep and others like it. Am I correct that the people that don't particularly like McKay were okay with this ep but those that like the character had trouble with it?

As for Ronan, he's no Tyr Anasazi.
:p As for Ronon, he's no Tyr Anasazi....that's good. For that we are all greatful...two different roles, two seperate shows.

TheCorpulent1
August 1st, 2005, 08:33 PM
I like Dex a lot more than Tyr, myself. But I'm not a big fan of Andromeda in general and I don't want to turn this into a big SGA vs. Andromeda fiasco. ;)

Well, there were some token guards at the door, but basically everyone in Atlantis is an idiot and they never learn their lesson. They always trust random dangerous strangers and invite them back to see the city. :rolleyes:
Yeah, but I just take it with a grain of salt. They are explorers first and foremost, so it kind of makes sense that they'd be more willing to trust people, especially ones who hate the Wraith, than not. Out of all the planets they've visited so far, they've only really run across three bad apples: the Wraith, the Genii, and the Wraith bugs. Not a terrible record for trusting everyone willy-nilly, I'd say...

I think we're supposed to get the idea that Ronan is so super and strong and has probably been shot so many times that he can shake off the effects of the stunner.
See, that bugged me. I get that Dex is tough and all, but he shouldn't be shrugging stunners of any kind off like that. The hand-held stunners were enough to easily drop two beefcake guards in "The Siege III." Unless, of course, he builds up a resistance to it somehow, in which case I'd be the first one back at Atlantis getting other people to stun the hell out of me until I develop my own resistance. Stunners being ineffective against Super-Ford, fine. Stunners being ineffective against a normal--albeit quite large and strong, but still normal--guy like Dex? Makes me wonder why the Wraith even bother using their PoS weapons.

birdieey
August 2nd, 2005, 12:29 AM
Teyla should be screaming to put this guy in chains but she's too busy ogling his scars (chicks dig scars) and practicing light bondage acts with him. Listening to her talk about 'legends of Runners' like they're celebrities after Dex has physically abused her is disturbing. It's like she was saying 'Yeah, he shot me, and tied me up, and threatened to kill me, but it's ok, because he's a legend'.D

LOL! I don't necessarily agree, but I laughed my ass off when I read it.

As for the episode - Definitely better then the previous two, I can't believe how many posts I've read praising "The Intruder". (Don't worry I'll take this argument to the appropriate thread.)

Things they did well:

- Most of Rodney's babbling was pretty funny. (I think that if you're not getting annoyed you're missing the point)
- I really liked Major Lorne and hope he sticks around.
- Probably some of the best Lt. Ford scenes we've seen yet. Kudos!
- Cadwell telling it like it is.
- Limited Weir time.

Things that weren't so hot

- Did anyone else think it was kinda odd that Ford's team had absolutely no trouble shooting him? I mean he's supposed to be the homicidal maniac and all he did was stun a few people.
- For someone who was military, a runner for 7 years and kept asking "Why should I trust you" Dex certainly gave us a lot of his back story. I feel like I know more about him then I do about Teyla.
- Even though we got a lot of info on Dex, it felt rushed, like they just want to get him on the team instead of properly introducing his character. With all he's been through I think he totally could have used at least a full episode dedicated primarily if not solely to him. And the whole "I've heard of Runners" was a pretty weak way to sidestep the problem.
- McKay and Ford ran around for what seemed like all afternoon and all night without actually attempting to TRACK Teyla and Sheppard. Super-powers indeed?


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"Maybe I'm just not that different. Maybe it's just my hair".
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watcher652
August 2nd, 2005, 02:09 AM
Wow. I've managed to read most of the posts and I'm surprised at how many people thought McKay was out of character or over the top. I thought he was just right. Ok, maybe a little over the top. But it makes sense to me.

Remember, this is the guy who just last week had at least 6 opportunities to die on and off the Daedalus. Who just recently had 2 scientists die who didn't even make it to Atlantis. He watched as one scientist died and was helpless to do anything about it. Which probably brought back memories of Grodin and of the scientists who died of the nanovirus and of Gaul.

Snap! That's what I think.

Rodney always wavers between being scared out of his mind and being brave. Without his familiar team to bolster his backbone, I can see Rodney backsliding into someone running away from danger with a girly scream. Who harps on the personal effects of radiation because he can measure it and do something about it. Who is so nervous that is forgets the military hand signals that he should have learned from Sheppard by now.

Yeah. Snap!

quarkscrews
August 2nd, 2005, 06:16 AM
Agrees with Watcher. McKay was totally in character. Just McKay being McKay. U either like his antics or u don't but he was in character and just being McKay. It would be disturbing if he actually attempted to take on Ford and not complain about this or that, it would be out of character.

TheCorpulent1
August 2nd, 2005, 06:58 AM
Things that weren't so hot

- Did anyone else think it was kinda odd that Ford's team had absolutely no trouble shooting him? I mean he's supposed to be the homicidal maniac and all he did was stun a few people.
- For someone who was military, a runner for 7 years and kept asking "Why should I trust you" Dex certainly gave us a lot of his back story. I feel like I know more about him then I do about Teyla.
- Even though we got a lot of info on Dex, it felt rushed, like they just want to get him on the team instead of properly introducing his character. With all he's been through I think he totally could have used at least a full episode dedicated primarily if not solely to him. And the whole "I've heard of Runners" was a pretty weak way to sidestep the problem.
- McKay and Ford ran around for what seemed like all afternoon and all night without actually attempting to TRACK Teyla and Sheppard. Super-powers indeed?
- Non-lethal shots meant to incapacitate Ford (or lucky enough to just be a flesh wound, in McKay's case ;)). They wanted to bring him back in, even if they had to physically restrain him to do it, but it seems Ford can't be taken down by anything short of death at this point.

- Dex didn't tell them anything about where he was going or his tactics on eluding the Wraith. What harm is there in telling them where he comes from or some of the horrors he's experienced from the Wraith? What, is the Atlantis crew gonna turn the information over to the Wraith or something? Besides, he probably just appreciated a chance to talk to somebody without all the hostility he's been living with for 7 years. Teyla was kind to him and he opened up with personal information that couldn't come back to bite him in the ass--seems perfectly reasonable to me.

- I thought it was just sensible that Teyla would've heard of runners. Based on the preview for next week's episode, it seems like we'll be getting more on Dex as he acclimates to life on Atlantis, too. I didn't feel his introduction in this episode was rushed, myself, but to each his own.

- Yeah, I was kind of surprised that Ford, with all his military training, couldn't track people who were making no effort to hide themselves. But hey, he's screwed up in the head. ;)

GhostPoet
August 2nd, 2005, 12:16 PM
Wow. I've managed to read most of the posts and I'm surprised at how many people thought McKay was out of character or over the top. I thought he was just right. Ok, maybe a little over the top. But it makes sense to me.

Remember, this is the guy who just last week had at least 6 opportunities to die on and off the Daedalus. Who just recently had 2 scientists die who didn't even make it to Atlantis. He watched as one scientist died and was helpless to do anything about it. Which probably brought back memories of Grodin and of the scientists who died of the nanovirus and of Gaul.

Snap! That's what I think.

Rodney always wavers between being scared out of his mind and being brave. Without his familiar team to bolster his backbone, I can see Rodney backsliding into someone running away from danger with a girly scream. Who harps on the personal effects of radiation because he can measure it and do something about it. Who is so nervous that is forgets the military hand signals that he should have learned from Sheppard by now.

Yeah. Snap!

I think people are seeing what they want.:P (above)

Mckay was right on character. I loved the scenes with him and Ford...infact, it was some of my favorite of this season so far. :) ATlantis has just gotten so GREAT!!

SophieTucker
August 2nd, 2005, 05:00 PM
I think people are seeing what they want.:P (above)


I think that works both ways - people that don't like the character McKay probably thought that Runner was right on track.

My biggest complaint is that they backtracked - if all of Season One he'd been the McKay of 48 hours I'd be ready the Wraith to take him.

Easter Lily
August 2nd, 2005, 05:39 PM
I think that works both ways - people that don't like the character McKay probably thought that Runner was right on track.

My biggest complaint is that they backtracked - if all of Season One he'd been the McKay of 48 hours I'd be ready the Wraith to take him.

See... I don't see it as backtracking (yet! More needs to happen before I see it as backtracking)... I see it more as lapsing... a character lapse... People do that in real life... Rodney's made strides in many areas but he's still a jittery bunny... but a lovable one... It works for me because everyone is so uber gungho... running around with guns without sunscreen and here is Rodney McKay openly and refreshingly vain, silly and scared... and strangely enough I kinda respect him for it. :D

Maybe because I'm not that gungho myself... ;)

watcher652
August 3rd, 2005, 12:43 AM
I think that works both ways - people that don't like the character McKay probably thought that Runner was right on track.

My biggest complaint is that they backtracked - if all of Season One he'd been the McKay of 48 hours I'd be ready the Wraith to take him.Wait, I love McKay and I think Runner was right on track with McKay's behavior.

And I also don't see that they've backtracked. I think McKay behaved just as he would. Sometimes you're brave enough to empty your gun into a Wraith. You know what the Wraith want. Sometimes you freak out when you don't know what the hell Psycho Super-Ford has in his head after you shoot him in the shoulder.

jyh
August 3rd, 2005, 01:01 PM
Very good episode. ;) I didn't think the McKay scenes crossed the line with regard to his character (and I too noticed his breath being visible after he took off his helmet)... I just thought it was typical Rodney. Yes, I know his character has 'grown' over the past year, and he's a bit more disciplined and capable in the field as a makeshift soldier. But please, he's still McKay... he's a scientist, not a soldier or a military mind. Have we forgotten the scene just one or two episodes ago when he said "Your primary mission is to protect me. And the ZPM. And me." (Or whatever his words were.)

I thought RSF was very good in this ep... hard to control his 'new' character traits sometimes. And Ronon was good too. I think this is a very good start for Atlantis!!!

(I'm conflicted that Atlantis will so soon surpass it's parent in enjoyment & watchability, but so far, the way these shows are shaping up, that's what it looks like!)

ShadowMaat
August 3rd, 2005, 01:17 PM
Haven't TPTB learned the ice water trick? Make your actors drink ice water before a scene so it lowers the temp in their mouth and makes 'em less prone to fogging up. :D Although I suppose Hewlett/McKay is so full of hot air that all the ice water in the world wouldn't have helped. :P

Taonas
August 3rd, 2005, 03:06 PM
I found that this was a pretty good episode. As for McKay, I realize that it was slightly over-the-top... But you also have to look at what he has dealt with recently. I'd find it somewhat more annoying if he WASN'T acting the way he was... It adds a sense of realism, I mean few people (who I know) could deal with what he's seen/experience and not have some sort of effect on one's personality.

Anyway, just my two cents.

TheCorpulent1
August 3rd, 2005, 06:12 PM
Although I suppose Hewlett/McKay is so full of hot air that all the ice water in the world wouldn't have helped. :P
ZING! :D

watcher652
August 4th, 2005, 01:17 AM
Haven't TPTB learned the ice water trick? Make your actors drink ice water before a scene so it lowers the temp in their mouth and makes 'em less prone to fogging up. :D Although I suppose Hewlett/McKay is so full of hot air that all the ice water in the world wouldn't have helped. :PHey! I take exception to that remark! You may think McKay is full of hot air, but do you really think David Hewlett is?

Besides, who says the temperature on the planet was warm? We only know it was high in solar radiation. I'm not a physicist (where's Rodney when you need him?) but I personally don't equate high solar radiation with high temperatures. Sure, it has to be warm enough for Williamsonia sewardianas to grow, but I'm sure it can tolerate a little cold.

SophieTucker
August 4th, 2005, 03:01 AM
Agreed if you want to insult the character McKay - go for it - but DH doesn't deserve that.

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2005, 04:42 AM
Oh please. I was kidding. DH has admitted he's a bit like McKay and I decided to take advantage of that. He happens to be my favorite actor on the series and I love him dearly, but if it's easier for you to be grossly offended, then go right ahead.

TheCorpulent1
August 4th, 2005, 07:22 AM
Wow, it's incredible how easily offended some people are. It was a joke! Relax, everybody.

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2005, 07:22 AM
And now for something on topic...

Does anyone know how the Wraith culling beams work? Furling God made a good point in his thread about getting rid of the Wraith: shouldn't they (or don't they) have the means of knowing where people are so that they don't wind up sweeping random empty stretches of ground?

And sending THREE DARTS for ONE guy on an empty planet seems a little excessive, especially since they SHOULD be able to tell exactly where he is with that tracking device.

Did Beckett crush the tracking device when he removed it from Dex? I can't remember. Because if he didn't, then the darts should bloody well have honed in on HIM instead.

Or is the radiation interfering with the signal? Funny that it interferes with a superior tech tracking device, but not with the Atlantis team radios (the cave did, but only inside).

SierraGulf1
August 4th, 2005, 08:52 AM
And sending THREE DARTS for ONE guy on an empty planet seems a little excessive, especially since they SHOULD be able to tell exactly where he is with that tracking device.

Did Beckett crush the tracking device when he removed it from Dex? I can't remember. Because if he didn't, then the darts should bloody well have honed in on HIM instead.

Or is the radiation interfering with the signal? Funny that it interferes with a superior tech tracking device, but not with the Atlantis team radios (the cave did, but only inside).

As for the first point, perhaps the radiation did indeed interfere with the tracking. Though, how could the Wraith have known this? Not sure, but the honest answer is that TPTB wanted to create some dramtic tension, though I think one would have worked jsut fine.

Beckett said something along the lines of "I turned it off," so that explains that. Whether this means he destroyed it, I don't know, but he was undetectable.

As for the third point, Super-Anti Radiation Batteries? :S

TheCorpulent1
August 4th, 2005, 09:10 AM
BECKETT: I'm quite sure it's been disabled.

I just watched that scene a few times for another thread. :)

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2005, 09:39 AM
BECKETT: I'm quite sure it's been disabled.
Well, "quite sure" and "definitely" are worlds apart, but OK. ;)

It's a pity, though. It might have been interesting if the Wraith had targeted Beckett. But then, that would take attention away from Ronon's ep and Ford's storyline. *sigh* Ah well. Maybe someone will adopt it as a plot bunny. ;)

SierraGulf1
August 4th, 2005, 12:33 PM
That would've been a nice touch, though it might have taken some screen time away, and the only thing they could subtract from would be the fight. I think he put it somewhere anyway, perhaps in his medical box. Heheh.

WRAITH 1: We've got him!
WRAITH 2: Fool, that's jsut a box of surgical implements!

TheCorpulent1
August 4th, 2005, 04:21 PM
Well, "quite sure" and "definitely" are worlds apart, but OK. ;)
I think the intent behind the line was to establish that the device was off. That's just how Beckett phrases things with his uber-cool Scottish accent. :)

Lida
August 4th, 2005, 04:28 PM
I think the intent behind the line was to establish that the device was off. That's just how Beckett phrases things with his uber-cool Scottish accent. :)

I quite agree, but many here love to pick apart every line. :D

ShadowMaat
August 4th, 2005, 05:33 PM
I think the intent behind the line was to establish that the device was off. That's just how Beckett phrases things with his uber-cool Scottish accent. :)
I know, I know, but I still think it would have been interesting if Beckett had been mistaken. *sigh* Ah well.

And any good doctor wouldn't leave his kit behind. :P

SophieTucker
August 4th, 2005, 07:17 PM
Oh please. I was kidding. DH has admitted he's a bit like McKay and I decided to take advantage of that. He happens to be my favorite actor on the series and I love him dearly, but if it's easier for you to be grossly offended, then go right ahead.

Well, I left my mind reading device at home otherwise I might have known you kidding. You stated an opinion - I disagreed with you - sorry that offended you; but if makes you feel better to project - go for it.

*AtlantisFan*
August 9th, 2005, 11:49 AM
Runner was a great episode. I thought the best scenes were the ones with McKay and Ford. I like what they have done with Ford's character. McKay was funny in this episode. Only a person like McKay would keep track of all the Radiation that he has been exposed to. McKay makes his own sunscreen 100 SPF :) Ronon seems like a good addition to the Atlantis expedition. I can't wait for the rest of the season 2 episodes to air.

Elite Anubis Guard
August 21st, 2005, 03:42 AM
I have read the transcript for this one -still gotta wait 2 more months- and really enjoyed this. The interaction between ford and mckay was funny and seems we're gonna have some interesting storys about Ford.
Dex appears to be an interesting character with an actual past and feelings who's going to be liked.

Dr Weir
August 22nd, 2005, 07:43 PM
I thought it was a good ep and it introduced Dex really well. I loved the flashbacks, they were very well done. Rodney with that stupid suit was really funny, but done abit over the top. I felt sorry for Ford, it's not his fault that he's that way and he's so loney, I wish TPTB wouldn't change him so much. I only thing I didn't like about the ep was that it was quite slow alot of the time, it had some action but I would have prefered more. There was too wondering around and talking.

mgbland
October 8th, 2005, 06:52 AM
Do you think Caldwell will say "I told you so," to Sheppard upon returning to Atlantis after "The Hive?"

Edited to add:

I figure that Caldwell being in his mid 50s probably has 15-20 years experience on Sheppard (35-40). He kept referring to "rookie mistakes" in "Conversion." If Caldwell's in his mid-50s, he should be a general by now. Why isn't he?

SnoggingPicard
October 8th, 2005, 08:28 AM
Do you think Caldwell will say "I told you so," to Sheppard upon returning to Atlantis after "The Hive?"

I hope he doesn't take this attitude. I like Caldwell a lot, and I don't want him to turn into just another pain-in-the-butt villain like Kinsey (whom I adored). I think that a lot of fans are judging him very quickly and trying to pin a motivation on the way he's acting. I guess I just have faith that he's a lot more complex than a guy gunning for Shep's job, so I really would not like him to assume that sort of attitude upon their return.

mgbland
October 8th, 2005, 11:56 AM
Caldwell did seem rather relieved in Intruder when he worried about Sheppard and McKay in that hanger bay with the doors opening. I noticed a rather relieved expression on his face when he realized Hermiad had put up that force field.

Sha're
November 2nd, 2005, 04:49 PM
Great episode. Dex looks like he's going to be an interesting character. His background was incorporated well. I found myself mourning the loss of Ford - I really think this is an interesting twist. Rodney again adds some comic relief - brilliantly of course.

Stricken
November 3rd, 2005, 02:41 AM
Stargate Atlantis continues its great start to the season with Runner, with Ford back and a new character in the form of Ronan Dex what more could we want. Mckay was on fine form with the factor 100 sun cream, hazord suit, shooting Ford and Runing away and then getting caught by Dex's trap, some more classic moments to be taken away from this episode. I get the feeling that there are tow factions forming in Atlantis Weir and her crew made up of Sheppard and Co and Caldwells Deadalus posse it was the meeting at the begining and when he left the Deadalus crew were there in waiting for him. Other than that a great episode!!!!

Runner recieves a S.G.C rating of 8 out 9 Chevrons
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Linzi
November 3rd, 2005, 08:53 AM
I really enjoyed Runner. I like Dex, he's a very promising character, and will add a little action and danger to the team dynamic, I think. Liked Ford, but not as much as in Siege III. I hope Super Ford doesn't get 'old' as the series continues, already I'm wondering how long psyco Ford's character can be further developed. Loved the fight between Ford and Dex though, very impressive. Liked Sheppard in this, I know I always do!, and thought Caldwell was suitably blunt with Sheppard: I like the conflict between them.
Liked Lorne, he seems a good character.
All in all an exciting episode introducing a character who will admirably fill the void left by Ford.



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Hulabaloo
November 3rd, 2005, 09:16 AM
I throughly enjoyed 'Runner' it was a fantastic episode. Ronon Dex is an interesting character and i hope to see more of him.

Elinor
November 3rd, 2005, 10:13 AM
Another entertaining episode!

I like Lorne. I like Dex, though he did speak very quietly at times and I couldn't catch what he was saying! I thought 'Fiercey Ford' was great and that fight he had with Dex was really well put together.

I loved the scene with Shep and Caldwell. Sumner was brought up again! Come on 'top brass', give the guy a break!! My 'laugh out loud' moment was Shep's comments and the look on his face when Teyla was trying to free her hands!

Again, the cast were excellent, (I love 'em all!) but I was really impressed with Rainbow. He's really thrown himself into this part!

Yep, season 2 is shaping up well so far!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/1306.gif

Major Clanger
November 3rd, 2005, 11:56 AM
Nice ep, but oh man I wish they would leave off with the "narky old-school grumpy old git Colonel who has to be proved wrong by the near perfect Shepherd" every week.

Yawn.

Someone up there in the thread asked why he's not a general by now: not everyone can be a general. Heck, not everyone can be a colonel - and he's old enough to have come up from the ranks (his attitude makes me think that)

But I have to say: Yaaay for Atlantis. I'm enjoying it a lot.

Matt G
November 3rd, 2005, 03:11 PM
1. A good job was done on Ford.

2. First impressions of Dex? Ice cold. Both he and addict-Ford came accross as cocky guys but Dex was ice-cool with it while Ford was completely the oppisite.

3. Caldwell just came accross as professional but cold here.

Best wishes on the Wraith ship Aiden.

Elite Anubis Guard
November 5th, 2005, 07:22 AM
Quite liked this episode, really interesting developement with Ford. He almost seems like a child. Ronan was cool, looking forward to seeing more of him. McKay was funny...as always. Good episode. Nice to see Atlantis has been keeping a constant pace.

bcfc
November 8th, 2005, 10:05 AM
A good episode, There were quite a few funny scenes involving Mckay and it looks like Ronan Dex will be a good edition.
:) :D :) :D

andrelage
December 28th, 2005, 07:55 AM
i liked this episode especially Ronan. Cos i think with his military background he would be great against the wraith. I also love Ronan's gun, it has everything in it.
i loved watching Ronan kicking Ford's ass but i wished that they would have brought Ford back to Atlantis.

Major Tyler
December 28th, 2005, 06:03 PM
i loved watching Ronan kicking Ford's ass...Whoa, now! Aiden was just about to waste Ronon before John showed up. ;)

alfirin_kirinki
December 28th, 2005, 07:06 PM
Whoa, now! Aiden was just about to waste Ronon before John showed up. ;)

Quite. And he got his own back later, didn't he? :D

Annie Sheppard
January 24th, 2006, 02:52 PM
i like this episode. i think it's one of my favourite from this season. i like the situatioun between Lorne and McKay LOL. i like Lorne:D i think he's a funny guy. McKay sometimes makes me crazy but here he was more than ok. the scene when Lorne ran through the forest was cool. Ford played very good. it's a pity that he's gone. i think it was a good way to introduce Dex. my favourite moment was when Teyla tried to free her hands. Sheps look was...*speechless*LOL

John W
April 11th, 2006, 01:28 PM
I've just watched this episode on DVD and it really made me LOL when McKay's running away from Ford, shooting his gun. When the clip runs out, he lets out this really girly scream!:mckay: :D

That's gotta rank up high with his reaction to the similar situation in "The Siege Part 3", which also left me in hysterics.:p

captain jake
May 8th, 2006, 08:03 PM
That was a hilarious sight to see.

Catsitter
May 20th, 2006, 06:14 AM
I think as somebody said near the beginning of this thread, there is really no reason why they needed to send Rodney on this mission, so either I have to question Weir and Sheppard's judgement or just treat it as a bit of fun. I guess Robert Cooper wanted to put him in for some laughs, but I think it would have been better if he had given Rodney a sub-plot back on Atlantis, perhaps investigating one of the things Zelenka discovered while he was away?
I do like the listing of previous exposures to radiation (and I especially like that "last week"!) because that is one thing that always annoys me in other series, when people will be seconds away from a lethal dose of radiation time after time with no lasting effects. Radiation exposure is cumulative!
I also like the redshirts at the beginning not dying. A nice touch.

Serenity228
June 28th, 2006, 04:55 PM
My favorite moments have to be the smackdown of Sheppard by Caldwell. Bless that man's heart. I love him. Shep needs to be put in his place every once in a while and realize that he can't base everything on his personal feelings.

I agree that in a real military situation that one needs to be very objective and worry about prisoners passing on information etc., but I find myself appaulding Sheppard's quest to rescue Ford and I think it fits in very well with the story line. In Rising, Sheppard stresses that no one gets left behind. He tried his best, even with his own life in jeopardy, to save Sumner, but as we know he couldn't. I think Sheppard is trying to right what he considered a personal failure with Sumner by saving Ford under any circumstance. From a buddy or team show perspective I think it's a great camaraderie angle.

On a very personal note, when Caldwell said snippily that he would be sure to include Sheppard's feelings in his report, well, I was a wee bit ticked at Caldwell! He had made his point that Sheppard might be putting Atlantis at risk by trying to bring back Ford in one piece, no need to snark at Sheppard in front of everyone. Uff da.:) :ford: :sheppard: :)

Serenity228
June 28th, 2006, 05:41 PM
[QUOTE=watcher652]Wow, I hit the post word limit and had to make 2 posts.

Rodney was great. Without John and Teyla there, he reverted back to his old frightened self that needs time to screw up enough courage to do what John or Teyla would do immediately.

I thought this was a great point. I know several posters were disappointed that Rodney had reverted back to being too timid after finding so much mojo in The Defiant One. But honestly, wouldn't everyone feel braver with Sheppard and/or Teyla backing them up? Absolutely no slight against Rodney. His is trained as a scientist and does his job remarkably well. And to his credit, he can also fire a gun with some proficiency. How many scientists can say that? Besides, I can only imagine being confronted with SuperFord, high levels of radiation on fair skin, and some Wraith bone wearing uber soldier would be enough to shake even the bravest of souls! So let Rodney scream a little, I have to admit, it is fun to hear him. :) :mckay: :)

meredithchandler73
December 14th, 2006, 12:56 PM
Well, I liked this episode, though it didn't have me at the edge of my seat. (I guess after several episodes in a row with such high tension, I was starting to get used to *huge* things happening in every ep.)

I really liked Ford in this. As others have said, it's great to see him going back and forth between being the Ford we know - just wanting to prove himself and get back to Atlantis - and being crazy "I'm-invincible-dude-don't-mess-with-me." I'm very interested to see how things will play out with Ford.

I liked Ronan. I'm looking forward to finding out more about him. And, uh, he's pretty easy on the eyes. ;)

I wasn't as bothered by McKay's behavior in this ep as others were. And a couple of things - such as the his emptying his gun of bullets followed by a girly scream - were priceless.

lunapasa
March 27th, 2007, 11:22 AM
Am I the only one that thinks :ford: looked very strange in this episode?
I really like the:
:mckay: I shot him too.
comment

garhkal
March 27th, 2007, 10:23 PM
My fave part, was rodney going on about how much radiation he has been exposed to, and saying he might have to forego reproduction.. and that mil guy (cannot remember his name to save my life) saying he was just thinking of that.

Trek_Girl42
March 28th, 2007, 12:53 AM
My fave part, was rodney going on about how much radiation he has been exposed to, and saying he might have to forego reproduction.. and that mil guy (cannot remember his name to save my life) saying he was just thinking of that.
Major Lorne- and yup......so priceless. Poor Mckay. :mckay:

Naomi
May 8th, 2007, 07:58 AM
At the beginning of Runner, Lorne is bending down to look at something on the ground, and the botanist cries out after discovering the Wraith body. The camera snaps up to the botanist too fast for me to tell what on the ground grabbed Lorne's attention. Lorne is attentive to his duties, so I have a hard time believing that Lorne would bend down to look at something that he did not think was potentially important. Does any know what Lorne was looking at on the ground?

Not knowing what Lorne was looking at bugs me everytime I view this episode.

queen_hathor
September 9th, 2008, 01:34 PM
At the beginning of Runner, Lorne is bending down to look at something on the ground, and the botanist cries out after discovering the Wraith body. The camera snaps up to the botanist too fast for me to tell what on the ground grabbed Lorne's attention. Lorne is attentive to his duties, so I have a hard time believing that Lorne would bend down to look at something that he did not think was potentially important. Does any know what Lorne was looking at on the ground?

Not knowing what Lorne was looking at bugs me everytime I view this episode.
I watched it yesterday and didn't notice. It's still in the player, I'll see if I can spot it. It may be worth asking in the Lorne thunk thread too, there are some eagle eyes over there!! :p

naamiaiset
September 9th, 2008, 08:00 PM
At the beginning of Runner, Lorne is bending down to look at something on the ground, and the botanist cries out after discovering the Wraith body. The camera snaps up to the botanist too fast for me to tell what on the ground grabbed Lorne's attention. Lorne is attentive to his duties, so I have a hard time believing that Lorne would bend down to look at something that he did not think was potentially important. Does any know what Lorne was looking at on the ground?

Not knowing what Lorne was looking at bugs me everytime I view this episode.
http://www.macsyourman.com/atlantis/screencaps/season2/203dvd/caps/sga-2x03_2034.html

it doesn't really show what lorne is looking at, perhaps blood from the wraith?

queen_hathor
September 10th, 2008, 02:22 AM
^^^ More than likely tbh...it's too dark to tell :(

Save Carson
September 12th, 2008, 02:54 PM
I live this one simply because Ronon is awesome

queen_hathor
September 13th, 2008, 05:43 AM
I think it's a great episode all round as many of the characters get a good run out. I love that Lorne gets such a big part in the ep, and the banter between him & Rodney is great! :D

Ronon is great, liked him from the outset...such a presence on-screen before he'd even spoken. Of course the camera angle in the cave making him look even taller was a great move by the director (was it Brad Wright, not sure. Anyway doesn't really matter lol).

I also thought it was a good episode for Carson because it shows his concerns etc, but the fact that despite all the issues - and danger - he's committed to his profession and goes and does his job! :D

Jeff O'Connor
September 14th, 2008, 01:19 AM
Carson in particular was excellent in this episode. Other highlights were the Ford/McKay scenes and the overall atmosphere. McLorne was practically born here, too. I was recently reviewing 'Search and Rescue' and reminded myself that there were earlier McKay/Lorne scenes, and the dialogue between the two characters always makes me laugh.

I actually wasn't that big a fan of Ronon in his first appearance. Don't get me wrong, I didn't outright dislike him. It just took me a little bit for him to grow on me, and his personification here was just too... caveman-esque. Literally and figuratively. I realize that a chunk of this is because he didn't know or trust the team in the least, yet, but it just rubbed me the wrong way initially.

Save Carson
September 16th, 2008, 01:35 PM
Carson in particular was excellent in this episode. Other highlights were the Ford/McKay scenes and the overall atmosphere. McLorne was practically born here, too. I was recently reviewing 'Search and Rescue' and reminded myself that there were earlier McKay/Lorne scenes, and the dialogue between the two characters always makes me laugh.

I actually wasn't that big a fan of Ronon in his first appearance. Don't get me wrong, I didn't outright dislike him. It just took me a little bit for him to grow on me, and his personification here was just too... caveman-esque. Literally and figuratively. I realize that a chunk of this is because he didn't know or trust the team in the least, yet, but it just rubbed me the wrong way initially.

I agree, Carson kicked ass. My favorite part was when they found out Ronon had ran off, he picked up the M16 and was prepared to fight to the death

RononXSpecialist
November 6th, 2008, 03:22 AM
LMAO yea i have to agree with Save_Carson that was helariouse he was like OMG HES GONE WTF?!? and yea Hurray FOR RONON best Charactor in the whole stargate series in my opinion hes so bad@$$

gateship15
November 8th, 2008, 08:09 PM
great episode i love the introduction of ronon

Geneva
November 13th, 2008, 06:10 PM
Carson in particular was excellent in this episode. Other highlights were the Ford/McKay scenes and the overall atmosphere. McLorne was practically born here, too. I was recently reviewing 'Search and Rescue' and reminded myself that there were earlier McKay/Lorne scenes, and the dialogue between the two characters always makes me laugh.

I actually wasn't that big a fan of Ronon in his first appearance. Don't get me wrong, I didn't outright dislike him. It just took me a little bit for him to grow on me, and his personification here was just too... caveman-esque. Literally and figuratively. I realize that a chunk of this is because he didn't know or trust the team in the least, yet, but it just rubbed me the wrong way initially.

I thought the same thing about McLorne when I watched S&R. This was my favorite episode in S2.

In Runner, I especially got a kick out of Rodney's sun anxieties :).

Hong3103
January 16th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Goodbye Ford.... Hello Ronon.

Ronon FTW!!!

gateship15
January 27th, 2009, 12:52 AM
it took me awile to like ronon but he won me over in the end

Ziel
January 27th, 2009, 02:38 AM
In Runner, I especially got a kick out of Rodney's sun anxieties :).
Lol. Brillant


great episode i love the introduction of ronon
Indeed!!


Goodbye Ford.... Hello Ronon.

Ronon FTW!!!
Can't really add to that, lol!

gateship15
January 27th, 2009, 10:38 PM
i know i was also stumped i had to think of something lol. but i now like ronon better the ford

Hong3103
January 27th, 2009, 10:47 PM
In Runner, I especially got a kick out of Rodney's sun anxieties :).
His character has definitely come along way since season 1-2... heck he's come a long way since SG1.


Can't really add to that, lol!
It's aite. Not everyone like Ronon. TPTB definitely could've done more to develop him but I can't say I miss Ford. :D

gateship15
January 27th, 2009, 11:02 PM
i agree with Rodney change he was a jerk in stargate well the episodes he was in i like his change and the fact u see him forming relationships with other characters this is one of the episodes that shows that change

Butlersgate
March 1st, 2009, 08:37 AM
i don't think they could of come up with a better alien character than ronan, without copying teal'c and his raised eyebrow effect on people. and his sense of humour ;)

jelgate
March 1st, 2009, 08:42 AM
i don't think they could of come up with a better alien character than ronan, without copying teal'c and his raised eyebrow effect on people. and his sense of humour ;)

Teyla:P

Butlersgate
March 1st, 2009, 08:45 AM
Teyla:P

i am not a big fan of teyla, compared to teal'c n ronan anyway.

escyos
June 5th, 2009, 01:09 AM
that botanist comes back in season 5

Lord Zedd
June 23rd, 2009, 10:45 AM
In this episode when McKay is with Ford, you can see some black wires set up! Looks like some trap set by Ronan but you can clearly see it.

gateship15
June 24th, 2009, 07:31 AM
lol this is another i must watch again

fazza92
July 25th, 2009, 02:14 AM
"McKay, stop drinking the wine, you'll get drunk!...
actually, you need it to loosen up, finish it off!... ohh, good boy!"

haha, great episode!

Matt G
July 29th, 2009, 02:24 PM
No, that was Duet! :P

fazza92
July 30th, 2009, 02:58 AM
No, that was Duet! :P
Oh wow, can't believe I posted that in the wrong thread, lol
=S

Dr. Selene Ankarres
October 27th, 2009, 12:10 PM
i'm slightly confused about the scars ronon has on his back. did he do them him-self to try and get the track out, or are they scars from fighting the wraith during his runner years ?

Hong3103
November 1st, 2009, 09:16 AM
i'm slightly confused about the scars ronon has on his back. did he do them him-self to try and get the track out, or are they scars from fighting the wraith during his runner years ?
Probably a little of both...

ktebid
February 23rd, 2010, 06:11 PM
A good introduction to Ronan. I don't like Enzyme Ford, and felt perhaps Sheppard could have done a bit more to stop him, though I thought he portrayed the difficult decision very well.

mrscopterdoc
August 29th, 2010, 01:20 PM
Great introduction for Ronon, and Lorne to Atlantis also.

JadedWraith
August 29th, 2010, 01:31 PM
That's one my favourite eppies, since I love Ronon ( and Lorne) but I hate seeing Lt. Ford go. Honestly, I think his character deserved another storyline. E.g. why not lead an SG team in the Milky Way and becoming a recurring character.

*Kiwi*
October 9th, 2010, 11:58 PM
This was the episode that made me love SGA. I watched the whole of season 1 and enjoyed the season well enough, but I never found a character that I really loved. The moment Ronon burst onto the scene in Runner I knew I was hooked. Love his character, love his back story, love his interaction with the others from Atlantis.

Rodney was hilarious in this ep- if just a tad annoying. Loved the sunblock scenes.

maneth
November 26th, 2010, 10:48 AM
Yeah, the sunblock scenes were funny. And yeah, Ronon Dex is my favorite character of the show.

mathpiglet
April 22nd, 2011, 05:15 PM
I liked the interaction between the military types and the non-military folks. The differences make for some excellent scenes.

I too like Ronon and I didn't particularly like Ford, so this episode works for me.

caribsci
April 22nd, 2011, 08:52 PM
Ronon in this episode ,so similar to Greer .both refused to b put under for their surgeries.

robina852
September 4th, 2011, 10:50 PM
I keep rewatching the beginning part with Lorne and Parrish. I find it really funny.:valaanime06:

garhkal
September 5th, 2011, 04:02 PM
Ronon did it cause he didn't want to lose any consiousness (and give up his control), greer did it cause he is a bad ass.

Lunaeclipse
January 15th, 2012, 02:42 PM
i'm slightly confused about the scars ronon has on his back. did he do them him-self to try and get the track out, or are they scars from fighting the wraith during his runner years ?

I thought Ronon mentioned that he had tried to get the device out when he was talking to Carson...

Lunaeclipse
January 15th, 2012, 02:48 PM
Loved this ep. Interesting introduction to Ronon. I admire the fact that he waited to the end of the 'operation' before he passed out. It's one of the things that endeared me to the man. :)

Yay for the mention of Firefly in the commentary. One of my favourite episodes.

JASBIRSINGH
February 24th, 2012, 02:22 AM
hello guys..............
My only criticism of this episode is that the whole setup to bring Ronon to Atlantis seemed a tad too deliberate. But it hasn't got me constantly eye-rolling like the Ori.

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The Urban Spaceman
February 27th, 2012, 02:47 PM
I thought Ronon mentioned that he had tried to get the device out when he was talking to Carson...

That's right.

Ronon says that he made one attempt at getting the tracking device out himself using a mirror -- but couldn't quite reach. The rest he says are attempts by doctors to remove it (much to Beckett's disgust).

Though the rest of his scars undoubtedly came from his time as a Runner, the ones on his back were from attempts at removing the tracker.

Lythisrose
June 29th, 2012, 04:00 AM
Joe Mallozzi's Blog:
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/june-27-2012-days-of-stargate-atlantis-past-runner-duet/
RUNNER (203)

Exit Lieutenant Ford. Enter Ronon Dex. Although that wasn’t exactly the plan, that’s the way it turned out. Yes, Ronon was intended to assume the newly vacated position on the away team, but the intention was to make Dark Ford a recurring character along the lines of a Todd or a Michael. For various reasons, it didn’t work out. However, what did work out was Jason Momoa as Ronon! And as much as I can’t imagine anyone else in the role, the casting process was a hell of a challenge. As I said in a previous entry, the more people involved, the more choices, the slower the process. And, whenever casting is up for discussion, EVERYONE has an opinion.

From the get-go, Robert Cooper envisioned Ronon as a rough-and-tumble outdoorsman/warrior. His template was the affable mountain man, Rupert, who’d enjoyed, if not success, then certainly popularity as a contestant on two seasons of Survivor. Ronon had to be brash, colorful, and larger than life. Unfortunately, some of the contenders put forth by…err…other parties…were all wrong. I’m talking skinny, soft-spoken soap opera actor wrong. And then, one day, we got Jason Momoa’s casting tape. Rob took one look at him and declared we had found our Ronon. Then, it was simply a matter of convincing everyone else of the fact.

Anyway, loved the introduction of the character in this episode, and also loved his interactions with Dark Ford.

If there is one question that almost always comes up after this episode airs, it’s “Why did the wraith stop feeding on Ronon?”. In the flashback, we see the wraith place its feeding hand on a defiant Ronon, then suddenly pause and draw back. It LOOKS like something has prevented it from feeding. In fact, it is merely pausing, amazed by Ronon’s defiance in the face of certain death. Its internal monologue isn’t “Why the hell can’t I feed on this guy?” but rather “This guy’s got balls. He’d make a simply splendid runner!”.

mathpiglet
July 3rd, 2012, 10:50 AM
Ronon!

:ronan:

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
July 4th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Good episode.

Both Ford and Ronon are really badass. I love Ronon's weapon.

Tomorrow, a body swap.

Krisz
July 5th, 2012, 04:16 PM
For me Ronon was just 'there', I wasn't really that bothered with what he did or didn't do. I just see this episode as the farewell to Ford. Since I'd come to like Ford with this re-watch I found it quite frustrating to watch, seeing the moments of the Ford we knew coming out and really hoping he would accept help and stay.

Lunaeclipse
July 5th, 2012, 04:30 PM
The intro to Ronon, for me, was interesting. The wraith didn't kill him, instead they made him into a game or experiment... He is someone who is effected by the wraith on a deeper level than most of the people on the show... and he adds something to the show that I felt was lacking in the first season...

hlndncr
July 6th, 2012, 11:24 AM
I'm not a Ronan fan and I don't generally care for Ronan episodes. I will say that on this rewatching I enjoyed this episode more than I have in the past.

This is Maj. Lorne's first appearance on SGA. I really like Lorne. Kavan Smith likes to say he had no character, and I'll admit we don't get anything much in the way of a backstory, but I disagree that he's a totally empty shell. Lorne seems like a good man to have around in a fight or off duty. And with the exit of Bates and Ford we really did need some other military personnel we could recognize or it would seem like Shep was the commander of no one.

And speaking of so long Ford, yeah don't let the iris hit your butt on the way out. We have a cooler kid in town now to take your place. Too bad. The writers finally started giving him something to do and then dropped him like a hot potato. Personally, I think they were lazy and didn't want to try and make Ford someone to hang on too. (They were too busy going for the lame jokes with McKay.)

Ronan gets more backstory in the first five minutes of his introduction than Ford got after an entire year. If I were being generous I'd say they learned from their mistakes. However, after this he just becomes the big dumb muscle and all further character development is off the table.

Matt G
July 6th, 2012, 02:32 PM
At some point...another ep of Atlantis.

1. The laugh is, back in '05 we assumed that Enzyme-Ford would be a recurring char. For whatever reason it didn't happen.

2. Also we took Ronon's presence for granted in the later season but to start with, any unspoilered viewer would not be sure if he could be trusted.

3. Androcles and the Lion. Have to read up on that.

4. Ford was just nuts here.

Solid stuff.

Lunaeclipse
July 6th, 2012, 05:24 PM
I'm not a Ronan fan and I don't generally care for Ronan episodes. I will say that on this rewatching I enjoyed this episode more than I have in the past.

This is Maj. Lorne's first appearance on SGA. I really like Lorne. Kavan Smith likes to say he had no character, and I'll admit we don't get anything much in the way of a backstory, but I disagree that he's a totally empty shell. Lorne seems like a good man to have around in a fight or off duty. And with the exit of Bates and Ford we really did need some other military personnel we could recognize or it would seem like Shep was the commander of no one.

And speaking of so long Ford, yeah don't let the iris hit your butt on the way out. We have a cooler kid in town now to take your place. Too bad. The writers finally started giving him something to do and then dropped him like a hot potato. Personally, I think they were lazy and didn't want to try and make Ford someone to hang on too. (They were too busy going for the lame jokes with McKay.)

Ronan gets more backstory in the first five minutes of his introduction than Ford got after an entire year. If I were being generous I'd say they learned from their mistakes. However, after this he just becomes the big dumb muscle and all further character development is off the table.

I also like Lorne as a character. He makes a good second in command in a combat kind of sense and I think he is loyal which I like too. As for Ford, I liked his character to a point too, although I think he made a more interesting villain than a member of the team.

I disagree about Ronon being "big dumb muscle". He may not have a science brain (that's what Rodney's for), but usually he's keeping an eye on the things that the others aren't - like what lurking when they don't know it's there... it's a different kind of smart... and he seemed to balance Sheppard out...

hlndncr
July 6th, 2012, 10:06 PM
I also like Lorne as a character. He makes a good second in command in a combat kind of sense and I think he is loyal which I like too. As for Ford, I liked his character to a point too, although I think he made a more interesting villain than a member of the team.

I disagree about Ronon being "big dumb muscle". He may not have a science brain (that's what Rodney's for), but usually he's keeping an eye on the things that the others aren't - like what lurking when they don't know it's there... it's a different kind of smart... and he seemed to balance Sheppard out...

I agree Ford was written better as a villian but I think that's just because Ford was written better period. They let RSF put more of himself into it and they actually made an effort to give him something to work with. If they had done that with Ford as a member of the team he would have been more interesting and might have lasted longer.

As for Ronan, I believe he had the potential to be more. In this episode we establish he's a soldier from a very advanced society and he's been able to allude the wraith for seven years. But in the next episode he's chowing down on a pile of meat and potatoes with his hands and shootin' things. In a much later ep he basically walks out when the team is trying to figure out a mystery saying something like when you have something for me to shoot at let me know. And the PTB have even said that what Ronan brings to the team was a big dangerous presence. So no matter what he could have been he was basically written off as big dumb muscle early on and that's what he stayed.

Matt G
July 7th, 2012, 01:07 AM
Looking back, Ronon certainly comes accross as damaged goods but also, Teal'c in SG1 never knew that much science. How many elite military personel have that sort of brain?

hlndncr
July 7th, 2012, 07:31 AM
Looking back, Ronon certainly comes accross as damaged goods but also, Teal'c in SG1 never knew that much science. How many elite military personel have that sort of brain?

I'm not suggesting that smarts = science. Or that a deep character has to be a genius. I think Teal'c became something more because he had a cause. He became a leader of his people in their fight for freedom. Ronan was meant to be the Teal'c of SGA. RCC has said as much. But IMO he was a pale immitation.

Lunaeclipse
July 7th, 2012, 03:05 PM
I agree Ford was written better as a villian but I think that's just because Ford was written better period. They let RSF put more of himself into it and they actually made an effort to give him something to work with. If they had done that with Ford as a member of the team he would have been more interesting and might have lasted longer.

As for Ronan, I believe he had the potential to be more. In this episode we establish he's a soldier from a very advanced society and he's been able to allude the wraith for seven years. But in the next episode he's chowing down on a pile of meat and potatoes with his hands and shootin' things. In a much later ep he basically walks out when the team is trying to figure out a mystery saying something like when you have something for me to shoot at let me know. And the PTB have even said that what Ronan brings to the team was a big dangerous presence. So no matter what he could have been he was basically written off as big dumb muscle early on and that's what he stayed.

Ronon was a member of a seemingly advance society, but he had been living like a caveman for awhile, so I would expect him to act kinda that way - at least for awhile. I'm actually surprised he talked as much as he did. He would've been without anyone to talk to often enough...in my opinion he, should've been used to not saying anything at all. I give Sheppard much respect for earning Ronon's trust so quickly...

hedwig
July 7th, 2012, 03:53 PM
Looking back, Ronon certainly comes accross as damaged goods but also, Teal'c in SG1 never knew that much science. How many elite military personel have that sort of brain?

Teal'c learned quite a lot when joining the SGC. We saw him frequently using computers for various things. He also sat in the navigator's seat on the "Prometheus" in Season 6 - though he was knowledgeable about flying stuff given his experience in flying death gliders. I imagine once he was living at the SGC, he was fairly eager to learn all he could about things related to the SGC.

Ronon didn't want to learn any of those things. By Season 5, he still hadn't learned much about how to run things, while Teyla had asked Major Marks to give her lessons on how to use the computers aboard the Daedelus in order to be able to do more than run and shoot a gun on missions. Ronon was always pretty clueless when it came to science or mechanical things - other than how to shoot his own gun and some of the earth weapons.

Matt G
July 8th, 2012, 03:11 AM
Well as LunaEclipse just the reminded me, the guy had been living rather primitively for the past seven years - not surprised that some of the damage was long term, he couldn't fully get out of survival mode.

Lieutenant Sparrow
July 8th, 2012, 06:34 AM
Hey look it's Tesla. Just minus his vampire side.

Ronan! I love Ronan. Jason is such a good actor. So glad they chose him to play Conan the Barbarian, and Khal Drogo from Game of Thrones.

I love his back story. It makes for a great ep later on. And his gun is still awesome.

Our first run in with crazy Ford. Talk about nuts.

Solid ep.