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July 11th, 2005, 03:18 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 901</FONT>
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An Air Force pilot attempts to reassemble SG-1 after they have gone their separate ways. An old "friend" arrives on Earth asking for Daniel's help in finding an ancient treasure -- and she won't take no for an answer.

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Manic
July 15th, 2005, 06:20 PM
Well well well. First reply. :)

:) Claudia is still as sexy as ever.

:) Cameron looks like a fun character. I was afraid he'd be a hard-***, but he's essentially a kid in a candy store.

:( SG-1 split up to do other things.

:( Daniel's beard. Good thing it's temporary.

:D Vala's comment that Cameron and Daneil look alike.

:) Sam's brief cameo.

:rolleyes: Teal'c has yet another hairstyle.

:) Daniel clarifying that Arthur, in fact, pulled another sword from the stone that was later replaced by excalibur.

:D Gen. Landry's lack of patience for Daniel's lengthy explanations.

:) Jack's brief cameo.

:( Remembering that Jack won't be back as a regular.

:D Pretty much everything Vala-related.

:) Cameron's flashbacks.

:) Audition montage

This episode would've felt like an all-filler, comedy episode if they hadn't added all of Cameron's flashbacks. It was actually a little sad to see him try and fail to reunite the team, but the auditions of new members was almost fun enough to make up for it. General Landry seems like an okay guy, if not wound a little too tight. I've never seen anyone tell Daniel to get to the point like that.

Good, stargatey fun. Nice to see Browder and Black back together, by the way.

Ironman1957
July 15th, 2005, 06:36 PM
Ben Browder I can deal with but Vala? Her character has to be refined! For a person who gave Daniel Jackson such grief in last season & as a person who you know can't be trusted they allow her into SG Command and what does she do? She screws Daniel again. Her character alone is aggravating & idiotic! Where are these writers brains at? I'm sorry but once Jack O'neil left the show that's a negative. I know it's only the first episode but if this is what you can look forward to then the show is doomed.

MarshAngel
July 15th, 2005, 06:39 PM
Why do I have the feeling you joined for the sole person of complaining? You might want to try saying something positive for a change.

Vyse
July 15th, 2005, 06:39 PM
Well that was horrorible. BB was acting like a big baby, the "flashback" scenes were horrorible, the story was dumb, not much of a plot either. Vey very bad.

Bobthespirit
July 15th, 2005, 06:41 PM
Hmm..overall, I'm pretty pleased with the direction SG1 is headed in.

I like General Landry and Cameron Mitchell. The interchange at the start was really well done. And I like the 'okay, this is where we go from here' feeling.

But the whole Merlin thing is a bit cheesy. I kept expecting that hologram to say "What is your name? What is your quest? What...is the flight speed of an unladen swallow?" And Vala is...well, she's written a bit over the top.

Red_Rabbit
July 15th, 2005, 06:42 PM
Man that was great, first off the flashbacks were great, the added f302 battles were good and the part with him in the hospital was great. I loved with the war won everyone was going there seperate ways where they thought they could do the most work. And with BB coming in him having to try to get each of them to come back, thought i felt that the ep did leave something to be desired i think that will be solved by part 2 of the 2 parter.

spg_1983
July 15th, 2005, 06:43 PM
well i wasnt particularly impressed and the whole, "booby trapped temple looking for buried treasure" thing is just pure frakking crap, but im willing to see it through and hold out hope they are building towards something better.

GateTraveler
July 15th, 2005, 06:44 PM
I enjoy humor in the eps and I did think there was good humor in this ep. However, I found it very hard to take the new "mythology" seriously since it was intermixed with the intentionally humorous Vala subplot. The decision to have Vala in the ep was a bad one IMO. The situation Daniel was in made it very hard to take anything he was saying seriously.

I thought they were supposed to be toning down the humor. They should have. The episode came off as too campy IMO. I did like Mitchell though and Landry wasn't bad.

Switch42
July 15th, 2005, 06:46 PM
OK. I am totally loving the new SG-1. Mitchell is really awesome. Yes, I do miss Jack. But they're really not trying to replace him, which is good. Beau Bridges is really great as Gen Landry. Completely different from Hammond and Jack. I loved the exchange between him and Daniel in the briefing room when they were trying to figure out where the Ancient treasure was. Daniel was rambling as he usually does and Landry kept trying to get him to the point and talking over him. It was a really nice exchange between the two of them.

Vala. How much do I love her. She just totally rocks. I want to be her. I love the interaction between her Daniel. Him throwing the pillow at her in the infirmary was classic! "Let's make babies!" *G*

The one big downside - the shortened opening sequence. Totally sucks. I mean, it's just really lame. 10 seconds is so not enough of the fabulous theme song that they have. But hopefully, Atlantis' Emmy nomination for best theme song will help change that and they'll bring it back. It also had the Atlantis wormhole for some reason. Just weird.

But, all in all, I would say it was a great start to the new season and I can't wait to see the rest!

Kerri

DANIquinn
July 15th, 2005, 06:48 PM
I actually really like Landry and Mitchell. I loved the humor in the ep, especially with Vala. She is a bit over the top, but CB plays it so well, that its perfectly forgivable. I like Danny's beard. :) The plot was kinda slow, but I really loved the flashbacks. All in all, I felt like it was a good setup for what should be a very good season. I have high hopes for the future. Can't wait till next week.

ChillinTheMost
July 15th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Well, I guess I'll use my first post to offer the somewhat dissenting opinion that I loved it! It entertained and amused me and that's what I want. I can't wait to watch it again... and next week!

Loved the shout-out to everyone that said Ben and Michael looked alike (even though I still don't see it other than basic coloring). Limited gene pool on Earth. LOL. Loved the look they gave each other.

(By the time I typed this a few more positive reviews were posted. Excellent!)

keppiezbt
July 15th, 2005, 06:51 PM
summary anyone?

Mongo's Girl
July 15th, 2005, 06:54 PM
I thought it was a good beginning. I think they handled Mitchell's intro well, as well as his backstory. I was thrilled to see Sam, as I wasn't expecting to see her for awhile. :)

I like Gen Landry. I think he's gonna be a pistol. Loved Walter as Radar.
Loved Teal'c and Mitchell's interactions. Teal'c is not impressed. :)

I think the season has great potential.

Lieut-Col. P@rick Durden
July 15th, 2005, 06:56 PM
I thought that it was a decent ep yea vala was annoying but thats the way it had to be. other then that I like the direction that they are taking it in.



once carter comes in it will improve.

mcpickles
July 15th, 2005, 07:08 PM
I didn't expect to like it, but I really did. Except for the opening credits(or lack thereof) and Vala's outfit (or lack thereof).

Mio
July 15th, 2005, 07:09 PM
Ugh. I hate Mitchell. People complain about Vala, but shes much less annoying than Mitchell was. He's like Sheppard, but not in a good way.


summary anyone?

Daniel has a beard, Mitchell is a moron, Vala has a tight outfit, we get to see Merlin, ceilings start to slowly descend on everyone. To be continued.


I liked the whole key and desk thing, though!

briguy213
July 15th, 2005, 07:09 PM
I appologize to BB. I didnt think that he would be that good. Although he could loosen up. Like when he walks through Daniel and vala rudley calling them kids. He could have made a dumb remark and went around... But it was a good ep.

JanusAncient
July 15th, 2005, 07:15 PM
First off, I loved the new direction it seems that Sg-1 is headed in, and the Da'kara was fantastic, appealing, and cenimatically capturing. It was good to see Rak'nor once again, and Vala was a bit on the sketchy side, but she has a part to play, and will most likely develop as a character in a good way. Ben Browder, was great, he was like a kid, having his first taste of ice cream.

Orce
July 15th, 2005, 07:16 PM
I enjoyed the episode. Cameron wasn't as bad as I feared he would be. Funniest moment in the episode has got to be when Teal'c shoots the stone covering and Cameron yells "Woah! Woah! Woah! Bullets bounce!"

Aadizookaan
July 15th, 2005, 07:17 PM
summary anyone?

I second that motion!

(chanting to self) SUMMARY, SUMMARY, SUMMARY....

Sam & Jack Shipper
July 15th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Ugh. I hate Mitchell. People complain about Vala, but shes much less annoying than Mitchell was. He's like Sheppard, but not in a good way.



Daniel has a beard, Mitchell is a moron, Vala has a tight outfit, we get to see Merlin, ceilings start to slowly descend on everyone. To be continued.


I liked the whole key and desk thing, though!

I so agree. Mitchell was a Jack wanabee and a very poor imitation at that.

DANIquinn
July 15th, 2005, 07:20 PM
I enjoyed the episode. Cameron wasn't as bad as I feared he would be. Funniest moment in the episode has got to be when Teal'c shoots the stone covering and Cameron yells "Woah! Woah! Woah! Bullets bounce!"
ABSOLUTELY!

Ace
July 15th, 2005, 07:23 PM
Well that was horrorible. BB was acting like a big baby, the "flashback" scenes were horrorible, the story was dumb, not much of a plot either. Vey very bad.

I have to COMPLETELY disagree with you on the "flashback" scenes. I loved them... the certainly made me feel like the rest of SG-1 had already known Mitchell and this wasn't forced. Well done to the Special Effects department!!

The story I thought was entertaining... the only thing I didn't really like was that it was a "To Be Continued" episode. I hate those... But I can't wait till next week to see the conclusion.

Ohh and regarding the Congressional Medal of Honor given to Mitchell... I think I will take a line from O'Neill and say "Nice...."

Ace

lord-anubis
July 15th, 2005, 07:24 PM
this was better then i thought it would be i loved the f-302 parts were cool and i loved the daniela and vala stuff and i like the whole thing with Ben Browder trying to get sg1 back together. my fave line of the whole thing is when he asked were the stargate was and when he said soon daniel well find some thing inproent out and we well be off on a adventer or some thing like that

The_Werewolf
July 15th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Funniest moment in the episode has got to be when Teal'c shoots the stone covering and Cameron yells "Woah! Woah! Woah! Bullets bounce!"

Ha ha!

I had a strange feeling that the new episodes would suck without O'Neill and Carter, and it may pan out but for the moment, that feeling was wrong.

Sure, it's not the same, but at least Daniel and Teal'c are still there. Browder is a good SciFi actor, and I think he did a good job. I just find it weird that he's now in another show (the 1st one being Farscape) with the actress who plays Vala...don't know her name...

I'm just glad that not too much else changed. I can deal with cast changes. Hell, Gen. Hammond was one of my favorite characters, and I missed him during the start of Season 8, but I got over it. There's always the hope of guest appearances.

I'm just so happy that it didn't suck ass. Waiting for next week will drive me nuts. (More so for Atlantis)

kharn the betrayer
July 15th, 2005, 07:26 PM
poor BB

He was like a kid in a candy store, and yet got screwed over as Sg1 was disbanded XD.


Vala is Vala, I hope she get more developed and I'm wonder how Sam would react to her. Also liked her comment about BB and MS looking alike.


Like Teal'c and his new hairstyle.


Daniel with a beard........


And the new General.....not realy shure but at least he isnt as stuck up as Hammond was in S1.



IMO this episode was decent I just hope the next one is better.

Vyse
July 15th, 2005, 07:28 PM
I have to COMPLETELY disagree with you on the "flashback" scenes. I loved them... the certainly made me feel like the rest of SG-1 had already known Mitchell and this wasn't forced. Well done to the Special Effects department!!

The story I thought was entertaining... the only thing I didn't really like was that it was a "To Be Continued" episode. I hate those... But I can't wait till next week to see the conclusion.

Ace

They didn't make any sense in the context of Lost City, Carter did NOT have time to advise Mitchell about ships coming, they were too busy beaming down to the outpost to save Earth!

Orce
July 15th, 2005, 07:37 PM
They didn't make any sense in the context of Lost City, Carter did NOT have time to advise Mitchell about ships coming, they were too busy beaming down to the outpost to save Earth!

You do realize that in a TV show time is compressed, so there is definitely a possibilty that Carter and Mitchell communicated with each other, it just wasn't shown. It's only logical. Besides, I seriously doubt that at the time that episode was finished, that TPTB hadn't given any thought to BB being apart of Stargate.

briguy213
July 15th, 2005, 07:40 PM
I enjoyed the episode. Cameron wasn't as bad as I feared he would be. Funniest moment in the episode has got to be when Teal'c shoots the stone covering and Cameron yells "Woah! Woah! Woah! Bullets bounce!"

The only thing that would make that part funnier was if cameron got hit in the... anus. Not penitrating his skin though, just a nice sting that sends him to the floor.

briguy213
July 15th, 2005, 07:43 PM
Well that was horrorible. BB was acting like a big baby, the "flashback" scenes were horrorible, the story was dumb, not much of a plot either. Vey very bad.

I do not agree with them having flash backs, but I'm not gonna be a baby and cry about them.

Daniel's_twin
July 15th, 2005, 07:43 PM
On a first note, loved the flashback scenes. The way they spliced together the new stuff with the old stuff from the spectacular "Lost City" was superb. The way they explained how SG-1 disbanded was excellent as well as bringing in the new personalities of Gen. Bridges and Colonel Mitchell. I was pleasantly surprised by the small appearances by AT. And the humor of this episode was excellent. Between that and the personality of the ep, it was excellent. My favorite scenes were the Daniel/Vala scenes. When she whipped out the bracelets and Teal'c explained them to Daniel in the infirmary (bring in the pillow fight) it was excellent (it's gonna be a word I use a lot in this post) Vala's "Let's make babies" quote was hilarious. But my favorite scene had to be when she said "I don't know very much about your planet, except that it has a very small gene pool" and then Daniel and Cameron look at each other. The way they made fun of the fact that they look kinda alike, very, very good. This episode did not disappoint IN THE LEAST!!! Except for the fact that now I have to wait until next week to see the continuation! You shoulda seen me and my sister. Our mouths dropped open. We could not believe that time was up. It was so amazing. Now, I go in search of another image since my sig obviously won't work anymore.

Thank you for putting up with my ranting. :cool:

Ace
July 15th, 2005, 07:43 PM
They didn't make any sense in the context of Lost City, Carter did NOT have time to advise Mitchell about ships coming, they were too busy beaming down to the outpost to save Earth!

I'll grant you that one scene... I thought the same thing. It probably would have been better if it was Bra'tac that said it. However your criticizing all of the flashbacks because of that one scene? Now that doesn't make sense...

Ace

Gaterholic
July 15th, 2005, 07:44 PM
The episode itself was a little slow. But i am ok with that. They had a lot of ground to cover. Had to introduce 3 characters, say goodbye to one, and explain what had happened since. Doing all that and still having a plat is impressive.
Give them time, the characters will develop. it looks like the new general is going to be a hammond type. on the outside making the decisions, but not on the team. it looks like they are going to try to throw it back to season 3-4 times.

Although the episode in itself was very lacking, it leaves me excited for the season.

Sela
July 15th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Over all I enjoyed the show. I thought the way they handled the back story on Mitchell was very well done. It moved a little fast at the beginning but it was ok. If they had done this in a 90 minutes show, I think we could have had a chance to savor it a little more. Ben played Mitchell as very low key in the beginning (which I thought was good) and I am glad to see how he interacted with the others. His disappointment at finding out that SG-1 had disbanded and how he was not able to pull them back together was always right there beneath the surface and Ben played it very well. He’s a very good actor. I would have like to have seen more about Mitchell settling in, but again, they were putting a lot into an hour.

As for Landry, I think I’ll like him once Beau Bridges settles down into the character. He was just a bit too….much, but he’s a good actor and I’m sure it’ll even out. Everyone is like that with a new character. Looking at some of the first season of SG-1 you can see the same type of thing going on with the actors.

Vala, on the other hand, was definitely over the top and just a bit too “cutesy pie”, which was very disappointing. I think Claudia could have been just as sexy and a lot more intriguing if her characterization of Vala was not so obvious. The constant linking of every thing she said to some type of sexual comment got real old, real fast. I wish the dialog had been toned done a lot. I like the way Claudia played Vala last season a lot better.

Daniel needs to go shave. Now. Scruffy does not work for him. It just makes him look scruffy. If you’re going to wear a beard at least trim the darn thing. Ugh. Still, he was Daniel and it was good to see him again. I loved the comment about killing Vala when he was in the infirmary - it was pure Daniel. The gene pool line from Vala was funny even though I still don't know how anyone could confuse the two of them. Ben and Michael don't look alike at all.

I have nothing but good things to say about Teal’c. He looked great, sounded great and he played well off of Mitchell. I think that’s a good fit there. Looking forward to seeing more of the two of them together.

Loved seeing Sam. She looked happy.

Hated not seeing more of Jack.

Looking forward to next week.

MasySyma
July 15th, 2005, 07:47 PM
I enjoyed the episode.

I like the way Mitchell's character was introduced, and the Vala/Daniel interaction was priceless. I enjoyed that the writers of SG-1 cared enough to look up Arthurian mythology and not make up crap as most shows who borrow the legend do. Admittedly, it wasn't the most dramatic two-parter, but most two part episodes get better in the second half. It was funny, touching, and entertaining. If this is where season 9 is starting, I look forward to the next few weeks.

My only complaints:

1. I would have liked to see Jack's promotion and an explanation for the new general.

2. Daniel's beard.

GateTraveler
July 15th, 2005, 07:50 PM
I have to COMPLETELY disagree with you on the "flashback" scenes. I loved them... the certainly made me feel like the rest of SG-1 had already known Mitchell and this wasn't forced. Well done to the Special Effects department!!
Ace

Agreed! The flashbacks were the best part of the show. I think they did an excellent job of bringing Mitchell in. That is the part I really, REALLY liked. After that intro I was sold on Mitchell. I don't think they could have done that any better. I believe Mitchell is a very good addition.

On the other hand, the jury is still out on Vala. She says some really funny things but is too much over the top and I could do without all the overt sexual humor. I can see where she is going to be a love her or hate her character.

So far I am a little concerned. I hope they follow this up with a serious episode that really sells the Arthurian legend. If they keep playing it for laughs then the show will become a joke. Fingers crossed...

Ace
July 15th, 2005, 07:54 PM
Agreed! The flashbacks were the best part of the show. I think they did an excellent job of bringing Mitchell in. That is the part I really, REALLY liked. After that intro I was sold on Mitchell. I don't think they could have done that any better. I believe Mitchell is a very good addition.

Yeah... :D And I'm really happy that they finally decided that somebody should receive the Medal of Honor after saving the planet. After years of saving the planet the only awards we have only seen anybody get is either the Air Medal or a promotion.

Ace

Erik Pasternak
July 15th, 2005, 07:56 PM
Rocket's Review:

I truly loved how they started off the episode, I can see someone who's been through what Cameron has doing just that.

Vala was back--and just as hilarious as ever. Both her comparison of Cameron and Daniel and the "Let's make babies" was excellent.

As I'm sure many others were, I was pleasantly suprised seeing Sam appear, even if it was just in those brief cameos. I would have taken anything.

I was a little perturbed over the timeline of events though. The Daedalus just leaving does perhaps explain why "THE SEIGE"the letter Everett gave Weir was signed by O'Neill, not Hammond, but it does mean that this episode took part before "The Seige," Part Two, which contradicts the fact that Sam called a PJ a jumper in "Moebius," Part One. Had they not recieved Atlantis's transmission, it would not have been called that. Basically, Teal'c should not have been gone for a month, according to that figure. But this is a minor thing that I can live with.

Overall, this episode was good.


Rocket's Rating: A-

Vyse
July 15th, 2005, 08:00 PM
I do not agree with them having flash backs, but I'm not gonna be a baby and cry about them.

I am NOT crying about it, that is simply my OPINION!

the dancer of spaz
July 15th, 2005, 08:01 PM
I think I'm gonna have to talk about the new characters more than anything, because while Daniel and Teal'c were great, we all expect them to be so, and it's nothing new.

First of all, I really don't think Mitchell was a Jack wannabe at all, but I guess it's just perspective.

For one, Cameron is WAAAY more humble than Jack was. I mean, Jack's hilarious and witty, but he KNOWS he's funny and he tends to not care about the consequences. To me, Mitchell was funny without trying to be, like when he was looking for people to join SG-1 and no one was working for him, or when he was getting frustrated with Vala and Daniel's antics. As much as I love Jack, he acted way more... I guess superior than Cameron, who clearly came into the game behaving subservient.

I like the idea of Cam and Sam having a friendship. It's also good to know that Mitchell actually REALLY wanted Sam, Teal'c and Daniel on the team. He never stopped bugging these guys, and he was always trying to begin some kind of convo with Teal'c. And I agree that the part where he freaked out at Teal'c was HILARIOUS! And you could tell that Teal'c was definitely amused. The fact that Cam's trying so hard is rather endearing to me. Ben Browder definitely won me over for Mitchell, in the sense that he passed the "Jerk or no jerk" test. Next week will probably decide whether he can help carry the series.

Landry... meh. I'll have to see. When he first approached Vala, I started to lean towards liking her. Also... I'm intrigued by the fact that he mentioned his daughter, as we all know who that will be.. But other than that, I think I'm gonna need to watch the ep again to see whether or not I'm gonna like this guy. Though I'm definitely glad that he's more acerbic than Hammond and Jack in a different way.

Vala. Vala, Vala, Vala. I wondered if I was gonna like her. I thought I might, then I thought I might despise her, and it's a dang good thing that Claudia Black is playing her. CB's comedic timing is great, and I laughed at more of her lines than I thought I would. Her costume was still way too tight, and they forced the Daniel/Vala attraction just a LITTLE too much, but beyond that, I really think that I can get to like her. I even watched the infirmary scene over again (sans "Let's make babies," of course). She's over the top, but so is McKay, and DH is brilliant so... I think Vala will work.

I'm looking forward to the next episode, but I hope they pick up the pace a little bit. Atlantis was much faster in pacing, and we all can assume that BSG is gonna be dizzyingly "exciting." :rolleyes: I just hope SG-1 can keep up! :)

LurkerLa
July 15th, 2005, 08:01 PM
I admit to being a bit wary about how this season would play out, but after this episode, my hopes are up.

I generally have to view an episode twice before I can give a coherent opinion on the details of it, so for now I'll just say that I was pretty happy with the episode, with the characters (all of them), and I have hopes for the rest of the season.

Perhaps I'll venture a more detailed analysis of what I liked (and didn't, because there were a few things) after I've had a chance to really digest it. But overall - me likey! And it made me laugh, which I always like. :)

briguy213
July 15th, 2005, 08:02 PM
YAY... Im watching it again.

Daniel's_twin
July 15th, 2005, 08:03 PM
YAY... Im watching it again.

No, you're not! You're here! :D :cool:

Vyse
July 15th, 2005, 08:06 PM
You do realize that in a TV show time is compressed, so there is definitely a possibilty that Carter and Mitchell communicated with each other, it just wasn't shown. It's only logical. Besides, I seriously doubt that at the time that episode was finished, that TPTB hadn't given any thought to BB being apart of Stargate.

I'm sorry, but it isn't logical. It would have made perfect sence if it was Bra'tac, but as soon as the Prometheus arrivs on the scene Carter is way too busy getting ready to beam down to the outpost to talk about battle startegy. Other stuff like him in the hospital makes sense but, that scene doesn't make any logical sense.

briguy213
July 15th, 2005, 08:07 PM
Im on my computer chair doing both.

jree
July 15th, 2005, 08:07 PM
In my humble opinion I liked this show.

It was slow but it was the first part in a three parter and it had to be slow. Mitchell at first was low key confident and then his bubble burst SG-1 was empty. Then a kind of sadness and disappointment set in the character. Then he accepted it and the auditions were funny. When Daniel and Teal'c stayed it is as if the Mitchell character came alive. Kid in a candy store is right.

Teal'c is funny, it's like he has seen better men and he is not impressed.

I have to say when Vala was talking I put the tv on mute and read the closed captioning at first but I eventually got used to it. It was not as bad as PU in IMO. Other than that I like her for what it is worth.

Ace
July 15th, 2005, 08:07 PM
I am NOT crying about it, that is simply my OPINION!

And it's a valid opinion... nobody should say otherwise!

Ace

Daniel's_twin
July 15th, 2005, 08:09 PM
Im on my computer chair doing both.

You clever dog, you. :D :cool:

Lt. Elliot
July 15th, 2005, 08:09 PM
WOW! Amazing!! So many things to say, huh?

*The flashbacks were excellent...all very well placed and gave a good background of Mitchell
*SG-1 split up, kinda sad "I didn't want two letters, a dash, and a number"
*SAM! Yay! At least we got to "see" her
*Dakara was amazing "I guess politics suck everywhere"
*Chess scene between O'Neill/Landry
*Vala! "Let's make babies!"
*The hospital scene where Mitchell is flashing in and out...well-done!!
*Cliffhanger ending! Too bad Season 9 Premiers could not have been 2 hours like last year!!

I think BB brought a lot to the episode - humor and his character. "Limited genepool" comes to mind thanks to Vala. Similarities yes, but I really didn't notice the lack of RDA sadly. BB did an excellent job "replacing" Jack as he did. Though RDA will surely be missed, I, PERSONALLY, will not be as affected because I like what BB brings to the table!

Vyse
July 15th, 2005, 08:10 PM
And it's a valid opinion... nobody should say otherwise!

Ace

You didn't, but briguy213 did, saying I was being a baby and crying about it.

zats
July 15th, 2005, 08:11 PM
Well. I honestly can't say I'm disappointed. I honestly can say that I now HATE two-parters.

So it wasn't the same SG1 that we've all known & loved. It was irreverent. It was a bit of a weirdish plot. There wasn't much action. Teal'c's eyebrow was doing overtime.

I loved it anyway.

What was good:
a. I [heart] Vala. She brings a certain levity that I admire. It's a little like Jack's humor, but a bit more, um...yeah. And I can even forgiven the shirt (or lack thereof).
b. Browder's character--Cameron. He's a nice cross between Daniel and Sheppard. Not Jack...but next best, I guess.
c. Plot. Arthurian legend's a nice change. Love the idea of Merlin being an Ancient. This certainly puts the Green Knight's wife in a different light.
d. Dialogue. Quick, snappy, and again, with irreverence, and the best part of the show. I believe I had tea out my nose at one point. I've got to stop laughing while ingesting.
e. Walter! The Chevron Guy is psychic! Whee!

What wasn't good:
a. For God's sake, give us a *little* more RDA! I don't care if he's technically a guest star, last we saw he was still ranking officer at the SGC.
b. Am I the only one who thought that this "months have passed" deal was a cop-out? Have they been peaceful? Did anyone actually take reassignment gracefully (come ON--didn't they do something like that in 'Chain Reaction'?) What the hell's been going on lately? How're the Asgaard? What's this about the Jaffa nation not going too well? Have we heard from the Tok'ra? And what exactly prompted the breaking up of the flagship team?
c. Wish they'd stuck all the flashbacks at the beginning instead of intermittently throughout. Choppy. Grrr.
d. When I am off the PC, I am going to voodoo the SciFi execs. I don't like this new 10-second deal. There's no suspension time between the start of the show and the start of the episode. I don't feel like the ep's started for a few minutes in, and now you expect me to adapt to *this*?! Double grrr.
e. This isn't a bad point, (thought certainly not good), couldn't be helped..but I'm missing Sam already.

Despite my grousing, I'm excited. Can't wait for this season.

sharky277
July 15th, 2005, 11:24 PM
Rocket's Review:

I was a little perturbed over the timeline of events though. The Daedalus just leaving does perhaps explain why "THE SEIGE"the letter Everett gave Weir was signed by O'Neill, not Hammond, but it does mean that this episode took part before "The Seige," Part Two, which contradicts the fact that Sam called a PJ a jumper in "Moebius," Part One. Had they not recieved Atlantis's transmission, it would not have been called that. Basically, Teal'c should not have been gone for a month, according to that figure. But this is a minor thing that I can live with.


Rocket's Rating: A-

When Daniel wakes up in the Infirmary they tell him the Daedalus has been gone for 3 days, so I'm guessing he was out for that long. So part of the episode deals before, and part during.

Erik Pasternak
July 15th, 2005, 11:27 PM
When Daniel wakes up in the Infirmary they tell him the Daedalus has been gone for 3 days, so I'm guessing he was out for that long. So part of the episode deals before, and part during.
They actually said two hours ago, not three days.

deathbed1983
July 15th, 2005, 11:27 PM
When Daniel wakes up in the Infirmary they tell him the Daedalus has been gone for 3 days, so I'm guessing he was out for that long. So part of the episode deals before, and part during.


correct me if im wrong but i think it was only 2 hours it was gone if im correct

majorsal
July 15th, 2005, 11:29 PM
I have to COMPLETELY disagree with you on the "flashback" scenes. I loved them... the certainly made me feel like the rest of SG-1 had already known Mitchell and this wasn't forced. Well done to the Special Effects department!!

The story I thought was entertaining... the only thing I didn't really like was that it was a "To Be Continued" episode. I hate those... But I can't wait till next week to see the conclusion.

Ohh and regarding the Congressional Medal of Honor given to Mitchell... I think I will take a line from O'Neill and say "Nice...."

Ace

i *really* liked mitchell. i connected with him and felt for him.

i was VERY happy to see sam in the ep, even though she wasn't actually 'there'. :D

i liked landry a lot too.

(((jack)))

vala. i couldn't bring myself to watch her. i already had doubts about watching anymore stuff with her because of prometheus unbound, but monday's scifi special made me *really* not want to watch her stuff. so, i fast-forwarded (recored it first) through stargate the moment vala came through the gate.

what i saw looked good, but i only saw the first few minutes of mitchell and landry's introductions.

i'm a huge sam fan, so this is hard for me to watch stargate without my fave character. but i wanted to see what mitchell and landry were about, so i'm glad i gave them a chance (and i'm not disappointed). i'll be returning to stargate when sam/amanda returns.


sally :)

ravinia
July 15th, 2005, 11:29 PM
Pleasantly surprised - was prepared to hate it. It was a little fluffy but a good intro to the new team.

They introduced Mitchell perfectly - they had to make him a hero, who helped save SG-1 (and it's fine that they "doctored" the flashbacks to make it Sam who talked to him during the battle) - all ways to help us accept him as a new character and not see him as a threat to our "old" team. BB did a good job.

Liked Beau Bridges too - he came across as a good guy who is a good leader.

Vala - I like the actress but I do find the character annoying. oh well.

Was totally surprised to see Sam, in not one but two scenes! Even reading lots of spoilers here on GW, and had no idea she'd be in this episode. Keeps her part of the team even though she won't be back full time until Beach Head.

Wonder why they did not give us a clue why O'Neill was no longer running the SGC. Fans know the backstory from GW and elsewhere, but wonder how/when they are going to explain it on the show.

I will spend my evening thinking shippy thoughts about what Sam meant when she said "I have my reasons for wanting this job!"

Ravinia

TheObiJuan
July 15th, 2005, 11:31 PM
what an odd way to transition bw s8 and s9. From fishing, to being completely disbanded. ... ???
I dunno, I was just expecting more details to be filled in.

Daniel acts so week around vala. Her sexual prowess belittles him.
I hope the next episode makes up for this one.

The opening credits make me happy I have replay tv with commercial skip. The show just starts and skips the intro. I used to disable it, I loved the macro shots of the eqyption statue!

Hyperspace
July 15th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Did anyone think the flashback scenes were a la "The Empire Strikes Back"? I thought that was an apt analogy, of course I was expecting the copilot to get zapped, wished it wouldn't happen but it did, I'd like to think he lived but prolly not.

Anyhow, the episode was an interesting start, its promising but since we got just a taste, I'll have to tune in next week to find out more...

shw77
July 15th, 2005, 11:40 PM
The funniest line I have ever heard on Stargate was by Vala, after they ringed into the hidden chamber in England "i havent been this disappointed since i had sex with daniel" teal'c gives daniel a look hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

Yashiv
July 15th, 2005, 11:43 PM
I thought this episode was allright. Lt. Colonel Mitchell was great however I think Vala was a bit too annoying and quirky for me. Teal'c has another different hairstyle which makes it even wierder than S8 but other than that, the episode was good. Also the flashbacks were amazing and well done IMO.

Mira
July 15th, 2005, 11:45 PM
I was umm underwhelmed. I didn't mind bb as much as I thought that I would but I think that is just because I was so absolutely disgusted with Vala. I mean didn't we try the sexy alien evil chick with Freya/Anise? That never worked for me. And did the bracelets look like fancy snap bracelets to anyone else? I felt that the way they kept Daniel off the Daedelus was a bit of a cop out. It was irritating. I'm still going to give it a shot but I'm wary, very wary.

Shipperahoy
July 15th, 2005, 11:45 PM
For me it wasn't great but it wasn't horrible either. That's not necessarily a bad thing though because I figure that, with the new characters and new storylines, that it's basically a new show so there will have to be a lot of exposition so it may take a few episodes to really hit it's stride. I miss Sam but it was a pleasant surprise to see her, even briefly, in the episodes as I wasn't expecting it. I also didn't expect the seemingly close and friendly relationship between Mitchell and Sam. I knew that SG-1 knew of him beforehand but they seemed to share a nice repertoire which hopefully bodes well for future episodes.

I had some reservations about Vala but, needlessly cleavagey outside, she was actually quite enjoyable. The banter between her and Daniel was actually a high point of the episode for me. It seemed more kid-like than the ultra sexual back and forth of PU which I feel is a good thing. I liked the way Mitchell just sort of stood back and let them go at it.

Teal'c, unfortunately, wasn't given much to do but hopefully that is just in this instance. He got in a few "Indeed"s of course and was quite Teal'cly stoic but that could be that they're just playing it up that he's going to take a while to get used to Mitchell.

There were, of course, the obligatory nods to Farscape. I kind of wish that they wouldn't play up the Farscape angle so that SG-1 could sink or swim on its own merit but they weren't too campy. I actually laughed quite a bit at Vala's remark about the 1 in 10 chance of the "baby" being Daniel's then her nod and wink towards Mitchell. It's something that only a Farscape fan would get.

I haven't really gotten any impression of Landry yet. He's very dry and so different from Hammond or Jack that I think it will take longer to get a read on his character. Though his impatience with Daniel's mythology babble seemed oddly familiar. :D

All in all it was pretty decent, if perhaps a bit slow, but as I said I think that once they get into the action (now that they've gotten most of the back stories out of the way) it will pick up speed.

CKO
July 16th, 2005, 12:02 AM
i think i may have thunked too hard already.... *snicker* didnt take that long, course i just have to get used to the fact, not seein' ben in all those leathers... oh gods... if he would be... hot as hell to watch...

loved the banter between him (mitchell) and vala... good chem. as only ben and claud can do. (silly scaper me... )

the flashbacks were very interstin' to watch. i enjoyed them :)

c'mon.. i want pt2 already.

eve11
July 16th, 2005, 12:03 AM
I liked it for the most part :) (Oh, I'm watching it again now too!) It had me smiling, and also the flashback scenes were quite poignant at times. For the most part I liked Vala but I think there was just one time where her humor was a little too forced (the "I haven't been this disappointed..." line). I liked Mitchell, too, though I thought his transition from stoic to "kid in a candy store" was a little too abrupt. It's hard not to compare Mitchell and Crichton just because I'm so used to seeing Ben Browder as Crichton. But I think he was different -- especially from later-season Crichton. Gotta say, I haven't heard that low, calm voice since Farscape season 1 :)

I liked Landry for the most part except I thought he played it a little too thick in the board room scene. And jeez, Daniel, I realize we've only got 42 minutes but yipes, I think every season his explanations get faster and faster.

I loved the medbay scene!
I loved the Merlin cave! (Yes, I also loved the Thor's Chariot ep too ;) )
Teal'c! Bullets bounce!!! (That was the closest BB came to a Jack-ism there)
My favorite Vala line... oh goodness, lots of them :) I did like her "One thing I hate is a bald-faced lie"

Amakusa
July 16th, 2005, 12:12 AM
Well to be honest I forgot Crichton's name while I was watching, which is pretty good for Mitchell.

Laughed at the part where the tech was staring at Vala's cleavage and then jerked his eyes away.

CeeKay Sheppard
July 16th, 2005, 12:27 AM
•MEAN ROTTEN NASTY EVIL CLIFFHANGER!!

•Season 9 is definitely looking up. I think Vala and Mitchell are going to put a lot of much-needed life back into SG-1. This afternoon, I couldn't even remember where Season 8 left off! (I missed the marathon last week :o ) Daniel and Vala, though... they were too much. :D Her response to Mitchell's "Ladies first" was hilarious!

•Speaking of Mitchell: "WHOA! WHOA! WHOA, MAN! Bullets bounce!" I nearly choked to death on my laughter, trying not to wake up my baby brother.

•As for Daniel, I'm really, really glad that beard is temporary. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.

•First impression: I don't like Landry, either. But I'm keeping an open mind.

•I loved the bits of Arthurian legend. I'm something of a mythology buff myself... actually, Stargate is what got me hooked on Egyptian myth, and I've been going from there ever since. So now, as I'm really starting to look into Celtic mythology, we meet again, so to speak.

If the rest of the season lives up to the premier, I can definitely see SG-1 going for a tenth year – or more.

Hyperspace
July 16th, 2005, 01:24 AM
I too think the Celtic mythology bit is an inspired choice. I remember the Indiana Jones novels ranged from Egyptology (SG-1--done) to Amazonian (SG-1 done) to Celtic (SG-1 is now taking up...)

LoneStar1836
July 16th, 2005, 01:29 AM
Started off pretty good and kind of went downhill from there, imo. Lay off the comedy, please.

Ben Browder did a fine job, I thought, though he’s practically the only reason I’m willing to give this season a chance. Could really see Mitchell’s disappointment with not getting to be with “the” SG-1. Though there are some things I still think they could tweak about the character’s behavior that I didn’t like. I much rather like the low-key approach. I'm glad he's excited to get to go on these adventures as long as that is not played up in every episode, but this is the first so......... I am not going to label him as a Jack-wannabe. I didn’t see any resemblance. Course that’s just my opinion, and it's still early, but I think tptb will try to avoid any glaring similarities.

I might even have to give BB as Landry a chance. I’m not totally embracing his character, but at least he’s not some stiff suit that I thought he was going to be.

As I suspected Vala is still there for the cheap laugh or sex joke, but the character was somewhat of an improvement over PU, my most despised episode of the entire series. And WOo hoo…. they made reference to my “favorite” bit in PU. Something to do with a fire extinguisher.;) *Yes, I refuse to let it go and will mention it anytime I can.* CB gives a nice performance though. Did we honestly need the stupid joke about Cam and Danny being so-called “twins” with their looks. Where in the frak did tptb ever come up with that idea? Do they honestly think I’m that stupid and that blind that I can’t tell MS and BB apart. Jeez. Daniel wears glasses. Enough said. Didn’t need that unnecessary beard. Gah. I still can’t get over that they thought I was that stupid. :rolleyes:

I like Teal’c’s new hair style. He doesn’t seem too impressed with Mitchell yet though.

So I will say this episode was not quite the cringe fest that I was expecting, but it still had the flaws that I was expecting such as the cheap humor. Oh how I yearn for the intelligent humor that once was Stargate……….


*TPTB reading list of homages to incorporate before SG-1 is tossed by Sci-Fi*

Entry: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom homage. *minus the spikes but that option is still open* TPTB, “Check. That’s one more down guys. Let's see what else is on this list..........”

Beal
July 16th, 2005, 01:31 AM
Great episode. Loved every second of it. I damn near pissed myself when the scientists wanted to put an android on SG-1 XD

The whole booby trapped temple thing also leaves me feeling like I just watched an episode from season 1 or 2. There's no mother ships, no super soldiers, just puzzles and caving in rooms. That's old school Stargate right there, ladies and gentlemen.

vikingjedi
July 16th, 2005, 01:44 AM
I came into this not expecting anything. I figured that was the best way to approach it. As a result I was able to leave the past behind and move on with the new characters.

Quick review:

Mitchell - He's the new leader of SG-1 but it has been disbanded and he has to pull everything back together. Understanding his situation makes it easier for the fans to accept his character.

The New Commander - Didn't really care for him too much. Hopefully he doesn't get a lot of air time. I would rather see General Hammond return.

Vala - She's interesting. Would be better if her character wasn't portrayed that dark. Could be cool if she changes her ways and joins SG-1. I wouldn't have a problem with 5 members on the team.

King Arthur legend - Makes a lot of sense. Good way to bring the characters together.

Overall I thought it was a solid show with a good future.

Sivok
July 16th, 2005, 01:51 AM
Lt. Col Mitchell to Teal'c:

"Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey! Bullets Bounce...." *points in different directions*

best line yet this season...isn't saying much yet, but it will hold true!

Hatcheter
July 16th, 2005, 02:08 AM
For me it wasn't great but it wasn't horrible either. That's not necessarily a bad thing though because I figure that, with the new characters and new storylines, that it's basically a new show so there will have to be a lot of exposition so it may take a few episodes to really hit it's stride. I miss Sam but it was a pleasant surprise to see her, even briefly, in the episodes as I wasn't expecting it. I also didn't expect the seemingly close and friendly relationship between Mitchell and Sam. I knew that SG-1 knew of him beforehand but they seemed to share a nice repertoire which hopefully bodes well for future episodes.
I'll play off your reply, since you covered a lot of the same ground I want to. ;)

The pacing of the episode felt like a pilot episode to me, rather like the first hour of SGA's 'Rising'. It was building on a familiar foundation, while introducing new characters and situations. But with so much familiar material remaining, they were able to jump into the real story about half way through the ep.



I had some reservations about Vala but, needlessly cleavagey outside, she was actually quite enjoyable. The banter between her and Daniel was actually a high point of the episode for me. It seemed more kid-like than the ultra sexual back and forth of PU which I feel is a good thing. I liked the way Mitchell just sort of stood back and let them go at it.
She's like an annoying little sister, saying exactly what has the greatest effect to her chosen target. I've got two younger sisters, so I had plenty of that when we were kids. It's miserable when you're the victim of it, but funny as hell when youget to see someone else suffer the same thing. I'm looking forward to five more episodes of this. :)



There were, of course, the obligatory nods to Farscape. I kind of wish that they wouldn't play up the Farscape angle so that SG-1 could sink or swim on its own merit but they weren't too campy. I actually laughed quite a bit at Vala's remark about the 1 in 10 chance of the "baby" being Daniel's then her nod and wink towards Mitchell. It's something that only a Farscape fan would get.
I've watched the first three seasons of Farscape in recent weeks, which I had never seen before. I think both actors from that show have done well in establishing new characters in SG-1. We'll need to see more of Mitchell to see how differently Ben Browder plays him, but he already seems to be a little more...stable than Chriton.



I haven't really gotten any impression of Landry yet. He's very dry and so different from Hammond or Jack that I think it will take longer to get a read on his character. Though his impatience with Daniel's mythology babble seemed oddly familiar. :D

All in all it was pretty decent, if perhaps a bit slow, but as I said I think that once they get into the action (now that they've gotten most of the back stories out of the way) it will pick up speed.
This was just part 1 of 2. I almost wish they could have aired both together, so we could get the full effect of the new characters and story. We haven't even met the Ori yet! (My only significant disappointment with the episode.)

greytop
July 16th, 2005, 03:06 AM
I agree with most of what the majority of the poster have said. It was a great start to Season 9.

Liked the scene between Walter and Landry, it was funny.

Daniel can do without the beard.

Liked the flashbacks. It was a good introduction to Mitchell. Found out that his mother was still living.

Iris
July 16th, 2005, 03:20 AM
Argh, *so* jealous..I wanna see too =[ Season 8 hasn't even showed on television yet O_O I'm incredibly PRO-season-9 - basically pro-continuation-of-stargateSG1

GateTraveler
July 16th, 2005, 04:44 AM
I know I'm showing my age here but did anyone else notice that a portion of the flashback with Mitchell (when the ship went down) is almost shot for shot from the opening of The Six Million Dollar Man TV show? I wonder if that was an intentional homage since Browder played Lee Majors on that TV movie?

...I could be wrong but it looked exactly like when Major's ship goes down in the show's opening credits.

Hatcheter
July 16th, 2005, 04:52 AM
I know I'm showing my age here but did anyone else notice that a portion of the flashback with Mitchell (when the ship went down) is almost shot for shot from the opening of The Six Million Dollar Man TV show? I wonder if that was an intentional homage since Browder played Lee Majors on that TV movie?

...I could be wrong but it looked exactly like when Major's ship goes down in the show's opening credits.

I vaguely remember that show from when I was a kid, so I can't verify that, but I certainly wouldn't put it past TPTB. :cool:

ChevronSeven
July 16th, 2005, 04:57 AM
I'm sad about this episode. Vala was too over-the-top. There was some parts that could've been funny, but it didn't work. I thought BB was still trying to find his character. I hope that he can soon, because it looks like he'll be good. Landry was good, I think I'll like him. And it was nice seeing Sam - I really wasn't expecting to see her.

This reminded me of just how much I'm missing Jack. He seemed so sad - selling everything and moving somewhere - it never really was explained just where he went. I know where he went because I've read the spoilers, but I thought that it would've at least been mentioned what happened to his character in the 1st part. Technically, we don't know where he went or why. I just think that something could've been done to ease this. I feel like Sam from "Point of View" - I miss Jack.

elhSG1
July 16th, 2005, 05:21 AM
I liked it and I like Mitchell and Landry. As time goes, I think their characters will develop and I'll like them even more. I admit, I was a sceptic who didn't know how the show was going to be. But, I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised even if this is the first episode of the new season. I may be the only to say this, but I thought Vala was hilarious, I like the character.

Nee
July 16th, 2005, 05:36 AM
i thought the season opener was great, it is alot better than season 8's first episode.

keppiezbt
July 16th, 2005, 05:48 AM
this was def a funny episode.

i liked it when bean was at the temple and the jaff woman walked by and he is like hey how you doin

chocdoc
July 16th, 2005, 05:51 AM
I give this season opener a 6 out of a 10. There were some very strong points, but it was a bit underwhelming for a season opener---a little boring.

I thought Ben Browder did a good job for his first episode, and I was impressed by how they introduced him. I think Mitchell has great potential. He really admires Carter, Daniel, and Teal'c and wants to work with them.

I was very pleasantly surprised to see Sam in this episode. Very good relationship between Sam and Mitchell. Smart move by the writers to see her in the first episode. Carter's return will be a big plus, as others have said.

I already like Teal'c and Mitchell's interaction as well. I like that Teal'c is a little leary of him, yet seems to like him. Christopher Judge did a great job---I wanted to see a bit more of Teal'c last night, but we do know that Teal'c will have more in the story when Lou Gossett Jr.'s character comes on board.

Like many others have stated, I found Vala a bit annoying, but it wasn't terrible. I find the Vala/Daniel interaction okay in small doses, but I couldn't take it for too long. Claudia Black is a wonderful actress---Vala though is good in small doses. Her humor would get old after awhile, but is fine for a few episodes, and perhaps every so often. It was difficult to take Daniel seriously with the comical aspect of the show. I agree with other posters---lay off the comedy a bit. It is taking away from the story.

Finally, the story itself was okay. I found myself wandering off a bit when Daniel was explaining things. Actually, it was a bit cheesy for me, but I think the story could get better in part II.

I kind of liked Beau Bridge's character---he is not Hammond or Jack---it will be interesting to see how his character develops.

Overall, not a bad start---but no wow factor either. But I'm glad I like Mitchell because he is an important element to ensuring the continued success of the show.

Erin
July 16th, 2005, 05:56 AM
I'm sorry but I don't think what Vala said to Daniel was funny at all. It's just me, but I thought it was very degrading and very distasteful and respectful

keppiezbt
July 16th, 2005, 05:57 AM
mixed opinion about the show it seems.

it's true its not the same. That has to be expected but I thought it was a decent start to a season in which so much change would occur. I mean they have a lot of ground to cover. I liked BB character. he was funny and i thought this episode was funny in general. "i havent been this dissapointed since i had sex with daniel" "lets make babies." "bb to jaffa woman- how you are?" funny.

i thought the episode plot was alittle weak. I'll cut them a break since they had so much to cover but they better make up for it in pt. 2!!!

As for the flashback scenes, they were great!!!!! Great special effects. go cgi department!

overall, I give this a C rating. BB and Daniel were great, Tealc kinda was just there, and Vala got kinda old quickly.

SGalisa
July 16th, 2005, 05:58 AM
Well, I liked it... ;)
Daniel was in tip-top, spunky form (including the pillow toss!)... along with Cameron (Ben Browder) and Vala (Claudia Black). Ben settled into his new character part quite nicely (I thought!) ...he certainly did his SG viewing homework (all 7 or 8 SG-1 seasons)! Glad Teal'c decided to tag along, but *what* a cliffhanger!!

Before saying any more, I thought ( Lt. Col. Mitchell's) interview segment reminded me of those
"Get in the GATE" stargate commercials when Sam and Sheppard were interviewing. Classic *reactions* in there!

One more item: SG-1's resident scientist guy... reminds me of Zelenka on SGA! :)


Beyond that: The baton has been passed... New dynamics being developed. Glad to see Lt. Col.Cameron Mitchell's character has a touch of John Crichton (of Farscape) peeking thru! Different (as in not psychotic!), but similar in how they verbalize things. That was always a snarky favorite of mine... Also enjoyed how Daniel's mind got decided upon for sticking around for a while longer. (Poor guy!)

Also, *Love* what Claudia has done to her hair since Farscape (adding the blonde streak)... and yes, I do think there was a subtle hint of connecting her and Ben to Farscape at least 3 different times....

"I'm certain we haven't met before." (liar, liar!) :D
How to do those scenes with totally straight faces...!
When Vala announced she was pregnant from one of them guys and winked directly at Cameron (Ben... Farscape!), like he had anything to do with her past!

Oh yeah, and Vala's limited *gene* pool comment, directed at both Cameron and Daniel. Loved the way they both looked at each other, after that! :p

As for connecting the King Arthur legend into SG, I had a feeling TPTB might do something similar to how they integrated the lost city of the ancients: Atlantis, and how it sank into the sea, etc... my premonitions about this particular story have proven true! :)

Oh, and Daniel finally mentions about the *Wraith* (now) in his Ancient studies...

Erin
July 16th, 2005, 05:59 AM
I give this episode a about an 8!

I really love Cameron now. I think he'll be a great addiction to Stargate. I love his lines and he's kinda goofy, yet professional.

I like the General. I dont know why nobody else does. He seems upbeat and not boring like Hammons sometimes was.

I don't like Vala that much. She'd be so funny if they just would keep her mouth clean.

Carter and Cameron seem to be buddy buddy. That's kinda cute. I hope they'll keep their relationship friendly, "buy you breakfast." That was cute.

Poor Teal'c, it seems to me that he would want to come back to the SGC. And was there a part that I missed where he said for sure that he was going to come back?

keppiezbt
July 16th, 2005, 05:59 AM
I give this season opener a 6 out of a 10. There were some very strong points, but it was a bit underwhelming for a season opener---a little boring.

I thought Ben Browder did a good job for his first episode, and I was impressed by how they introduced him. I think Mitchell has great potential. He really admires Carter, Daniel, and Teal'c and wants to work with them.

I was very pleasantly surprised to see Sam in this episode. Very good relationship between Sam and Mitchell. Smart move by the writers to see her in the first episode. Carter's return will be a big plus, as others have said.

I already like Teal'c and Mitchell's interaction as well. I like that Teal'c is a little leary of him, yet seems to like him. Christopher Judge did a great job---I wanted to see a bit more of Teal'c last night, but we do know that Teal'c will have more in the story when Lou Gossett Jr.'s character comes on board.

Like many others have stated, I found Vala a bit annoying, but it wasn't terrible. I find the Vala/Daniel interaction okay in small doses, but I couldn't take it for too long. Claudia Black is a wonderful actress---Vala though is good in small doses. Her humor would get old after awhile, but is fine for a few episodes, and perhaps every so often. It was difficult to take Daniel seriously with the comical aspect of the show. I agree with other posters---lay off the comedy a bit. It is taking away from the story.

Finally, the story itself was okay. I found myself wandering off a bit when Daniel was explaining things. Actually, it was a bit cheesy for me, but I think the story could get better in part II.

I kind of liked Beau Bridge's character---he is not Hammond or Jack---it will be interesting to see how his character develops.

Overall, not a bad start---but no wow factor either. But I'm glad I like Mitchell because he is an important element to ensuring the continued success of the show.

i just posted, read your review, and thought- exactly how i feel

badblu
July 16th, 2005, 06:02 AM
For a totally new direction it wasn't too bad :)

all you have to do is go back to S1 and compare this season to season 1 because in a sense it a total reboot to SG1.
(Weather it works only time will tell will it last another 9 seasons who knows)

Jace021903
July 16th, 2005, 06:18 AM
I enjoyed it.

I like Mitchell. He is not Jack and didn't try to be. He didn't come barging to take over; he came to learn. He gets extra points from me for the respect he showed for our team.

I think Vala is a hoot, but I can see how see would wear on the nerves after a while. Poor Daniel. I was intriged by her remark to Daniel that he didn't know anything about her. It makes me wonder if we will get to find out what makes her tick.

I am glad that Jack and Sam were in the opener, even briefly.

I like Landry. He is a different kind of general than Hammond or Jack so it will be interesting to see how he interacts with the team.

Daniel and Teal'c were great. I loved that Teal'c was in the infirmary when Daniel woke up. I also like that Teal'c isn't quite sure what to make of Mitchell.

This has a bit of a different feel than the SG-1 that we have watched for 8 years, but I liked it enough to keep tuning in. I think the mix of the old and new characters worked really well.

kazzyk
July 16th, 2005, 06:21 AM
Oh where to begin? I can not put my finger on it but something was missing and I dont mean RDA or Sam--it is just the lack of any connection from 8 to 9. I know they say this is like a total new show but hey--it is still Stargate and a bit more time spent on transition than on BB artic heroics might have helped.

I did not expect much but have to say it was worse than my expectations had been prepared for. It is the opener of a new season and Daniel seemed angry and could not wait to leave SG1? The Teal'c and Jaffa politics bit --sound familiar? I really do not like when shows try to send a message about current events.

I wish they would not have played off on Farscape. It is bad enough the Stargate we know is done but I had (maybe still have) hope they could run with the new and create a good show.
But Merlin? an ancient? please.................
Laundry--he is ok--he can say "I will call the president" as well as any General.
BB--maybe he will figure out what he is suppose to be--I hope so.
Valla--over the top but there is some light there--I like a little comedic relief.
Teal'c--the only constant.

The opener did not live up to the hype and I really think the writers had plenty of time to pull it together. I mean SG1 spent 8 yrs together as a team and yet there did not seem to be the least bit of mourning ( for lack of a better word)--you would not soend that much time together and not SEE some feelings from Sam, Daniel and Teal'c--it was the new guy who was sad the team was disbanded----something wrong there.

I really hope it gets better--I will watch because I wont be able to help myself but watching a show each week with an attitude of "Please dont be to lame", is depressing lol.
Oh well--I own all the boxed sets currently out--i can get my SG-1 fix that way if need be.

Merlin??? geez

kazzyk
July 16th, 2005, 06:27 AM
One more thing--I love Jack/RDA but goodness---he was so--bored? How many words did he have to choke out?
I dont know--sometimes I wish I was a fly on the wall of TPTB---meetings :)

tfalls1
July 16th, 2005, 06:34 AM
What did everyone think about the whole Merlin storyline... Doesn't it seem way too similar to Thor's challenges...and does anyone else think Merlin's staff looks very similar to the staffs the Ori Priors carry (from the pics posted on Gateworld)????

kadosho
July 16th, 2005, 06:37 AM
For a starter in a new season =excellent
Ben's character really brings something different to the table.
In a way, he adds a bit of his character from Farscape into this one.
Its felt, with energy, the attitude, the spunk.

Plus seeing old friends again, even though the team went seperate ways.
Some odd reason, it reminded me of the Blues Brothers. But in a good way.

On a side, it felt like Indiana Jones (-the roller ball)
Its great to see this season unfolding in a different way.
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AGateFan
July 16th, 2005, 06:40 AM
I was pleasantly suprised and like the show well enough. Not the best ever, but no where near the worst ever.

Characters.

Tea'lc - Season 1 Tea'lc except with hair and no staff weapon (P90 looks so small in his hands). He was all nice and stoic except for the little Tea'lc smile he gave to Cam after the bouncing bullets line. (on the shallow - side I really liked the T-Shirt, no tank top)

Daniel - People said he was weak around Vala but I did not get that impression at all. I thought it was just pefect Daniel. He was much better then in PU. He wasnt drooling all over Vala. In fact he seemed quite annoyed with her and the entire situation. He was also very excited when he got to do his arceology stuff.

Sam - Yay! we got to see Sam. I didnt expect it. She is head of R&D at area 51 which makes since. Why would she stay on SG-1 and be forced to pick a whole new team as that seems like a pain. Tea'lc had to leave for his people and Daniels been wanting to go to Atlantis since they found the place. So Sams re-assignment makes since. And I am SO happy they left her in the Air Force. (Although it does appear Cam outranks her as I assume he was a Lt Col during the battle).

Oneill - I want a better send off...

Walter - I have high hopes, but wheres his buddy Siler (moving to wash with jack)???

Cam - I liked him. I liked how he looked like a hurt little kid when he found out he got to play just when all the cool kids left. I like how he looked like a "kid in a candy store" when he found out the cool kids were comming back and then sad again when he found out Sam wasnt going to play (I was waiting for him to stomp his feet and say wwwhhhyyyy)... Anyway he is not a mini-jack, I would say he is closer to a Sheppard except not a rebel like Sheppard and way more in the loop. I like how he kept trying to talk to Tea'lc only to face the Season 1 Jaffa silence.

Landry - Didnt think I would like him but he seems ok. He is NOT the complete hardaz I thought he would be. He is not Hammond or Oneil either. Its hard to put my finger on what he is, will definitly need to see more.

Vala - not as annoying as I thought she would be. Only one really (in context) cringworthy line - the one after the ring down to the planet. The other lines that were cringworthy during Sci Fi Inside were just fine when in context. In fact her clothing wasnt even so bad when in context and in fact when she had the jacket on she was actually quite stylish. The best thing about her character however was the fact that the other peoples reactions were more real then I thought they would write. I thought they would have all the guys drooling over her and she getting her way with sex... however thats not the case. Mostly everyone looked quite annoyed with her, from the gaurds that brought her through the gate to daniel asking Tea'lc about the consequences of killing her. The picture in the sci fi inside which seemed to show her hitting on Landry and him being about the cave was not that at all. That scene was about Landry treating her like the little spoiled child she was acting like. As long as everyone treats her like she is as annoying as she is I think her character will work out fine. But she definitly should get less screen time unless they add some depth to her character... there is only so much of this childish behavior one can take. and yes, lets tone down the potty humor.

Over all I liked it. I didnt think it was campy, andromeda was campy, this was just a more light hearted action adventure. I like the humor just dont want every single show to be all humor all the time and I dont like potty humor too much. I like the mix of shows, I think thats what makes SG-1 wo great... but definitly a fan of the happy endings and no character deaths. Merlin hologram was just as good as Thors hologram in Thors Chariot and the testing just as good too lets hope the payoff is just as good. I loved Thors Chariot.

What I didnt like too much
I HATE 2 parters unless I have the DVDs and can watch them all in a row.
I hate the fact that no matter how much you help people they never appreciate it.. now the jaffa hate us too? Looks like our only friends are the Asgard and from the SG-A premier it looks like some of them may be annoyed with us too. ;)

Give this ep a B+

keshou
July 16th, 2005, 06:42 AM
Some good, some bad for me.

The good news is I was entertained. I watched the whole thing, didn't wander off from the set. Was curious to see the new characters and new dynamics. The exposition made it drag in spots but as far as setting up the "new" SG-1 it did a decent job.

I thought BB did just fine as Mitchell. I like the way they used the flashbacks to introduce his character and give him that "connection" to SG-1 from the Lost City battle. He's enthusiastic, wants to fit in and seems to have a good sense of humor. "SG-ME" was a great line. :D But otherwise I feel like it's going to take awhile to find out who Mitchell really is.

I didn't really see "Crichton" except in a couple of scenes. The "nice outfit" crack to Vala. And I thought the "whoa, man, ....bullets bounce" was just like seeing Crichton and D'Argo together. :D I liked Teal'c and Mitchell's interaction, btw. It's nice to see Teal'c being rather reserved and slow to embrace Mitchell. And he was more serious than the smiley Teal'c we've gotten the last couple of seasons.

Vala. Okay. Hated the outfit - just thought I'd get that out of the way. ;) :) But I do like some of the elements she brings to the show. She's a live wire and you never know what's coming out of her mouth (except there's usually sex involved :p ) so that makes her unpredictable and interesting.

I liked her a LOT better in Avalon than I did in PU (without the silly cat fight) and if they flesh out her backstory and give her some depth I think she COULD be a really good recurring character for the show.

Daniel/Vala are an odd couple but it's a rather amusing dynamic. Vala is a hoot at times. The "ladies first" and then Vala pointing Daniel towards the doorway made me LOL. :D And Daniel's exasperation with her was quite funny at times - particularly the pillow scene. And her "give it a try muscles - I'll give you half" to Teal'c made me laugh. :D :D . But by the time we got to "just like sex with Daniel" or whatever that line was it was a little too much with the sex stuff. The OTT sex jokes get a little old -- so I hope that's not all she's bringing to the table for 6 episodes. Surely not. :rolleyes:

One good thing is that I felt like I was seeing "Daniel" interacting with Vala this time around. The Daniel in PU seemed out of character. This Daniel was snarky and pissy but it was "Daniel" - not eye-rolling, Crichton!Daniel. Vala sure knows how to push his buttons and it's a lot of fun to see Daniel having to deal with her. "Give me a minute"....."Not a minute"......."Still not a minute". Hee.

Landry. Jury is still out for me. I like his bluntness and he certainly has a different style than Hammond or Jack. That's good. But I'm not quite sure I LIKE him. I do like him quoting all the old military generals though. Good on Beau for doing all that research and the writers for picking that up.

I think I enjoyed the references to Jack more than actually SEEING Jack. It was funny to hear Landry talking about Jack never opening the desk drawer. But Jack's conversation with Landry about packing up was kind of a sad scene for me. It made me miss the Jack we used to have. I hope the few remaining scenes we get for Jack are a little more upbeat. :(

The Ancients/Merlin story was a little bit cheesy. *sigh* I like that they're trying to bring back a sense of adventure to the show but the adventure didn't have a lot of depth to it. I'm hoping once we get to the Orii I'll feel differently.

So mixed bag. I was entertained and certainly want to see what they're going to do with Vala, Mitchell, et al. Daniel and Teal'c were great. It was nice to see the little clips of Sam so she still feels like part of the show. There just didn't seem to be a lot of substance to this episode but maybe that's because it's just setup. It's kind of like junk food. Fun when you're eating it but nothing terribly memorable.

I'm willing to give it some time and see what they do. I think they have some good characters to work with and I can see that the chemistry might end up being really good. I liked Mitchell so that's a good start. But I want it all. Good stories, good characters, interesting dynamics, meaty story arcs, etc. :D

sg1 volgman
July 16th, 2005, 06:50 AM
I liked the atlantis one better, but this one had its moments too.

Vala's still a hilarious character, I love her humor that nobody else on the base would dare show. "Let's make babies", "I haven't had this dissapointed since Daniel and I had sex", "There's nothing I hate more than a bold-faced lie".

The fact that Teal'c left Earth upsets me. It was always good having him around. I really hope Sg1 gets back together.

Mitchell I think is a good addition to the show. His character is funny and is not the serious, 'do your job, no questions asked' kind of guy. The writers can do a lot with him.

Daniel's still as cool as ever. Throwing the pillow at Vala, staying calm in the face of danger, and humorously bad-tempered, "i can't believe i missed the daedalus for this", he's still a great guy.

And as Keshou said, the thing with Merlin being an ancient, I find that rather hard to believe. Firstly, Merlin was a myth, and probably didn't exist at all, and if he did, he came way after the ancient's time. I guess maybe if the ancient got sent back the way daniel did and helped arthur ascend... but that's all too weird for me. Better to leave Merlin out of this.

LurkerLa
July 16th, 2005, 07:06 AM
After sitting back and thinking about this ep for a bit, I just have two things I wanted to say:

1. I really liked the Cameron/Teal'c interaction. Teal'c conveys so much with just facial expression!

2. Walter, Walter, Walter - you are quickly becoming my favorite SG-1 character!

oragans
July 16th, 2005, 07:17 AM
that sounds hilarous lol - Vala is so cool.

Hazzerd
July 16th, 2005, 07:18 AM
I thought some of the funniest parts between Daniel and Vala where when they both woke up after having passed out and she made a smart remark and he threw a pillow at her. Don't remember the exact line but i was def. laughing.

I also like the part when they were in the room with the two pots and Vala was like "can you read that" and daniel is like "yes" she like so whats it say he said something to the effect that the univers is vast. Then vala was said something like what about this one. Daniel is like "The Treasure is in this pot" makes u see that even the ancients had a sense of humor.

FoolishPleasure
July 16th, 2005, 07:35 AM
My quick take on "Avalon" (I'll try to analyze it a bit more later. .after I deal with RL stuff ;) ).

I really liked Mitchell. Browder was totally different than Creighton in Farscape, and actually felt sorry for him when no one seemed to want to be on his team, but bits of humor were peeking out, which I'm sure we'll see more of. He sure looks good in a uniform. :D

Vala. .I just love Vala. She wears weird clothes, but they made fun of that. Her comment about the "llimited gene pool" when looking at Browder and Shanks was hysterical - TPTB have obviously been listening to our comparisons. :D Every time Claudia opened her mouth, I was laughing. I don't know if I could take Vala every week, but she would be a hoot to have pop in every so often after she does her 5-6 week stint.

Gen. Landry - at first I though Beau B. was overacting a bit, but I was actually starting to like him by the end. Will have to see how he works out in the next few weeks.

Good to see Daniel and Teal'c, though Chris Judge didn't get a whole lot to do. But I did like the end when he shot the wall and Mitchell freaked out. Teal'c turned around with that sly smile of his, as if to say, "This guy is all right."

This had to be a tough episode for TPTB to write and for the actors to do, but overall I give it a "thumbs up". Bring on next week!

Bandersnatch
July 16th, 2005, 07:38 AM
Well, as far as I'm concerned, SG-1 ended last season. I can't watch the new shows -- it's just not the same. I was so bored through last night's airing -- it was almost like "Is it over yet?" Yes, the graphics for the fight sequence were good and the tie in with season 7 was creatively done, but the enjoyment really stops there. Beau Bridges is arrogant, Ben Browder seems fake, and Claudia Black...well, I never liked her or her character anyway. I loved seeing Mr. A -- they left his hair fairly long (thank you!) and it makes him look really cute. The whole idea of trying to regroup SG-1 is kind of flat. It seems like the show has been struggling to "put the team back together again" since season 7. I don't know. I guess if Mr. A is scheduled to guest on it, I'll tune in. Otherwise, I'm sorry. They were right about it being a different show, and it's one that I don't really want to watch.

They said this is the make or break season -- I still think season 7 should have been -- or even 6 -- and then they should have done movies or DVD movies. Or books -- even books written by the writers of the show would have been more satisfying. Yes, change is good, but why change something that's already great?

Jack

Sue_Jackson
July 16th, 2005, 07:40 AM
It was sooooo cool seeing Ben Browder on SG-1!! I tell you, I love Cameron Mitchell! He's adorable! :D

I love how Cameron wanted to join SG-1 because we wanted to work with the "best" aka Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c. Y'know the beard on Michael does look kinda weird to me. I dunno. I love Chris' hair! It looks really good! I also loved the whole thing where Cameron was interviewing all these applicants for SG-1! Very funny! LOL! :D

Then, Vala came through the Stargate, and it was great seeing Ben and Claudia back together (sort of speak). And, yes, there was a tiny reference to Farscape, very subtle but I believe Scapers can pick up on it. ;) Cameron just says, "I don't believe we've met." Or, something like that. I love Vala. I think she's great. She's such a beetch though, but in a funny way. LOL! :D I love how she keeps going after Daniel. :D :p For instance, when she comes down the ramp she like, "Where's my Daniel?" I just loved that! Also, I loved how she said she's pregnant and that it might be Daniel's. LMAO!! :D :D I laughed so loud I thought the neighbors could hear me! LOL! And, in the infirmary when Cameron tells Daniel he may stuck with Vala. Vala goes, "Let's make babies!" :D Then, when they get on the Prometheus Vala tries to remember her and Daniel's little brawl, and he...uh...doesn't. Vala so wants have sex with Daniel. LOL! Actually, Vala sound like some Hussies I know! LOL! :D Just kiddin'! ;) :p :D And, i loved the joke where Vala says something about limited gene-pool, and then Cameron and Daniel look at each other. (As MS put it, "We're a couple of 6-foot tall white guys with blue eyes and brown hair.") LMAO!!! That was classic! :D

Oh.....and Gen. Landry is wonderful. Yes, I do miss Jack and Hammond. Nothing can ever replace those two ever. In fact, I still miss Hammond as Cmdr of SGC. I still feel he was the best. But, I feel I will like Landry I like his attitude. It's that don't-give-me-any-crap kinda attitude, and I like it. I like how he says to Cameron, "What's wrond with ya?" Just cutting to the chase of his flaws. :)

Chief Master Sgt. Walter Harriman! Yay! After eight years, we finally know the full name AND rank of the "Chevron Guy". :) ;)

Ronja
July 16th, 2005, 07:40 AM
OMG I was laughing my ass of the entire episode! From the moment Cameron walking into the gateroom till the very last scene! This is a absolutely fantastic season opener! :D

And Ben, Claudia and Beau were amazing! :D

I love love LOVE Daniel and Vala! Haha they were exactly like I hoped they would be! I mean the lines between these guys were the funniest I've ever heard on Stargate!!!

""I haven't been this disappointed since i had sex with Daniel" awww poor Danny boy hehe ;) :P :D And the pillow fight and oh everything!:D

But oh crap I knew I should have waited until next week to see this ep. Althou I know what's gonna happened I still wanna see it... and now!


I just know I'm gonna love season 9! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Can u see that I'm happy??? ;) :P

mtee1958
July 16th, 2005, 07:46 AM
I so agree. Mitchell was a Jack wanabee and a very poor imitation at that.

See, this is what I knew would happen, let Mitchell make a few sarcastic remarks, and the comparisons to Jack would ensue. Jack is not the only person who can be sarcastic. I don't believe in any way shape or form he was a Jack wanabee. It's only natural for the intense Jack fans to watch and compare (and human nature being what it is - compare unfavorably 99% of the time). Heck, when Daniel left I thought Jonas was trying to be like him at first - and I thought he failed miserably.

If every time Mitchell makes a sarcastic remark you feel he's a Jack wanabee then the season is going to be very long for you.

I loved the ep -- I like Vala - she's supposed to be over the top and she is -- they did a nice job pulling it all together. They had a big job to do and I think they did it very admirably. You knew there would be lots of people unhappy no matter what they did - with RDA gone. I liked Jack alot but he's gone so you have to give the show a break and watch with fresh eyes. I think it's going to be a great season. :)

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July 16th, 2005, 07:48 AM
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It was sooooo cool seeing Ben Browder on SG-1!! I tell you, I love Cameron Mitchell! He's adorable! :D

I love how Cameron wanted to join SG-1 because we wanted to work with the "best" aka Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c. Y'know the beard on Michael does look kinda weird to me. I dunno. I love Chris' hair! It looks really good! I also loved the whole thing where Cameron was interviewing all these applicants for SG-1! Very funny! LOL! :D

Then, Vala came through the Stargate, and it was great seeing Ben and Claudia back together (sort of speak). And, yes, there was a tiny reference to Farscape, very subtle but I believe Scapers can pick up on it. ;) Cameron just says, "I don't believe we've met." Or, something like that. I love Vala. I think she's great. She's such a beetch though, but in a funny way. LOL! :D I love how she keeps going after Daniel. :D :p For instance, when she comes down the ramp she like, "Where's my Daniel?" I just loved that! Also, I loved how she said she's pregnant and that it might be Daniel's. LMAO!! :D :D I laughed so loud I thought the neighbors could hear me! LOL! And, in the infirmary when Cameron tells Daniel he may stuck with Vala. Vala goes, "Let's make babies!" :D Then, when they get on the Prometheus Vala tries to remember her and Daniel's little brawl, and he...uh...doesn't. Vala so wants have sex with Daniel. LOL! Actually, Vala sound like some Hussies I know! LOL! :D Just kiddin'! ;) :p :D And, i loved the joke where Vala says something about limited gene-pool, and then Cameron and Daniel look at each other. (As MS put it, "We're a couple of 6-foot tall white guys with blue eyes and brown hair.") LMAO!!! That was classic! :D

Yes exactly Sue!!! :D:D:D:D LMAO!!

mtee1958
July 16th, 2005, 07:56 AM
I did not expect much but have to say it was worse than my expectations had been prepared for. It is the opener of a new season and Daniel seemed angry and could not wait to leave SG1? The Teal'c and Jaffa politics bit --sound familiar? I really do not like when shows try to send a message about current events.

I wish they would not have played off on Farscape.
Laundry--he is ok--he can say "I will call the president" as well as any General.



..... I did not see that Daniel was angry. It actually tied in to past eps. Daniel wanted to go to Atlantis from the very beginning. The pilot for Atlantis had him asking Jack twice if he could go -- as they went through the wormhole. And then again with Prometheus Unbound. Now he FINALLY gets to go. I didn't sense anger only -- "it's about time!" in his attitude

I loved Farscape and watched every ep -- how do you think they played off it? A few remarks in the very begining when BB meets Vala? How many McGyver remarks did we get throughout the seasons?? It's only normal to poke fun at something like that. Everyone knows they were both on Farscape for years - so it got a little humor -- the writers brought in all the hype about MS and BB looking similar. Stargate has been doing this for years -- so you see -- it hasn't changed all that much.

As I said before - the writers had alot to accomplish in this -- establish Mitchell and his relationship with the team and his attempt to put it together again. There wasn't time to go through the emotions of the team deciding to go their separate ways. Would have been nice -- but no time. That's an ep all to itself.

If you've read any of the upcoming ep spoilers - then you know Merlin isn't around long and the other eps look really good.

Merlin??? geez[/QUOTE]

brihana25
July 16th, 2005, 08:08 AM
...I could be wrong but it looked exactly like when Major's ship goes down in the show's opening credits.

I saw a combination of Six Million Dollar Man and the Battle of Hoth from The Empire Strikes Back. Right down to Dack... I mean Mitchell's gunner... dying for no discernible reason and blood running down his face from under his helmet.

Frostfox
July 16th, 2005, 08:12 AM
I have only one thing to add.
And I hope TPTB are listening.


THAT WAS BLOODY BRILLIANT!
MORE PLEASE!

FF, chuffed to little mintballs by season nine episode one.
edited to add - and I want the DVD for this NOW, I so want to listen to the commentary for this one!

Lida
July 16th, 2005, 08:13 AM
Ben Browder was one of the only good things about the this opening episode, that was SO hyped by tptb. Beau Bridges was great as the irascible General Landry, BUT Vala was way over the top. A little sex and humor is fine, but the way she was written was embarrassing, esp. as Claudia Black is such a great actress. CJ looked bored and Michael Shanks, well, I won't say, as I'm not in the mood to get flamed.

I do have an observation.....didn't anyone else draw the comparison of this ridiculous plot and the Indiana Jones movies? It was like watching snippets of The Last Crusade and the The Temple of Doom, replete with descending cave ceilings and riddles, like "only the penitant man will pass". That's the best the writers could come up with? Re-cycled Speilberg?

Sorry, but I was disappointed in the Avalon, part 1. I can only hope things go UP ( like the ceilings) from here, as I love SG-1 and I did not love last night premiere.

Mr. Seven
July 16th, 2005, 08:30 AM
It wasn't a bad episode. Browder, Shanks and Bridges did a really good job. It seemed like that in this episode Teal'c really didn't have anything to do. I do agree that Vala was way over the top with her thing. I guess that's her though.

LMichelle
July 16th, 2005, 08:34 AM
Loved it! Amazing!

The Daniel/Vala banter was priceless. ROTFL!

The whole episode was very good. Seriously, I think I laughed more than I do watching Family Guy. :D

*bows down to writers*

Dr. Weir's Hair Gel
July 16th, 2005, 08:36 AM
Good episode... a little slow to start off, but I am sure that wasn't helped by the complete lack of opening credits...

The only thing I didn't like is that they spent too much time making sure that we, as fans, knew that the characters of SG-1 accepted Mitchell and thought of him as a righteous dude... perhaps thinking that fans would accept Mitchell if we knew that Carter and Daniel and Teal'c and O'Neill accepted him and thought he was a hero. I personally didn't need that connection so much, although it saves the whole "Jonas must prove himself worthy!!!" problem from the beginning of season 6... or does it?...

Despite their apparently positive view of Mitchell, Daniel and especially Teal'c don't seem to thrilled with the guy... so maybe there is some Jonas action going on anyways.

Regardless, BESIDES this problem, it was a good ep. Slow... but that is to be expected. I also expect things to really pick up next week. The feel of the show is so different now, but that is not really a bad thing.

[Also, the three Farscape jokes... not sure if I liked 'em or disliked 'em. I think at least one was the actors ad-libbing.]

Elwe Singollo
July 16th, 2005, 08:58 AM
In one word i can summarize the premiere. 'funny'

Past episodes of SG1 were funny, but this was a different funny, a different funny as in with BB! I was never a fan of Farscape, but i love Vala and Cameron, but i'll always love my originals. :rolleyes:

ToasterOnFire
July 16th, 2005, 09:00 AM
Thoughts:


-Wasn't that impressed with Cam so far. He just seemed awkward (perhaps intentionally?) and his flashbacks seemed out of place for some reason. I'm also neutral with Landry; he's no Hammond but maybe he'll fit into his niche later.

-Surprisingly, I actually liked Vala when she was serious and smart in this ep. Her cutesy sex humor throughout the ep and her childish impatience with Daniel in the tomb were absolutely grating though. Hopefully the later eps will have less of that and be better. And her outfit looked...uncomfortable at best.

-Disliked Daniel's beard (and TPTB couldn't have just used his glasses to tell those two apart??). I felt bad for him when he couldn't go to Atlantis. Worse, it was all Vala's fault and she didn't seem the least bit sorry. Their relationship looks more parent/child so far, and I'll be extremely worried if TPTB start making it into a ship.

-It didn't seem like much happened in this ep. Most of it was Cam flashbacks and him getting the team back together, coupled with this Merlin/sword in the stone arc that makes me a bit wary...

-Teal'c didn't do much, but I did appreciate his smirk at Cam after firing the bullets. :D

-Why on earth did Sam go to R&D instead of lead SG1??

VALAasg
July 16th, 2005, 09:01 AM
Overall, I liked the episode. Very entertaining - some great laugh-out-loud moments from Browder, Black and Shanks - and I look forward to watching next week.

Really enjoyed the interactions between the established characters and the new ones. Good cast chemistry. I think they have hit the ground running. One character I expected to take or leave was Landry but I liked the way he was written (especially the scene with Jack) and Bridges did a good job with him.

Jeff O'Connor
July 16th, 2005, 09:04 AM
Oh my, oh my, oh my. I don't... I wish I could get into the forum last night but alas, too crowded. I wish I was here to say some of things already said but alas, they've already been said! Or something. So I can just... wow. That was... absolutely awesome!

This episode felt like SG-1 meets National Treasure meets Farscape (I know, kill me, I made the reference) but really... it all worked so very well in my opinion. I am uberly, uberly impressed! MORE PLEASE!

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
July 16th, 2005, 09:06 AM
ROTFLMAO i was luaghing so hard when Vala said "i havent been this dissapointed since i had sex with Daniel"

a great charector and that smile she had when she knew she had definatly gotten daniel stuck with her...great episode and awsome start!!!

L1ssalaun
July 16th, 2005, 09:12 AM
I don't know, maybe it's just me but I thought it was funny when Vala said she's pregnant, didn't know who the father was and then winked at CM. Reference to Farscape? Sounds like it to me.

Jonisa
July 16th, 2005, 09:22 AM
I'm going to join those who absolutely loved it.

First of all, Cameron Mitchell is going to be great. I don't see him as a Jack wanna-be at all. Yes, he made some funny comments, but I don't see why he can't make some wisecracks just because Jack did. His whole demeanor and personality are different from Jack O'Neill. He looked so crestfallen when he found out that Sg-1 was disbanded. Awww. :D

And yes, Keshou, the "Woah, woah, woah...Bullets bounce!" was undeniably a Crichton/D'Argo moment. (Has a moment of silence for D'Argo. :( ) I also loved Cameron's interviews with possible candidates for the team. Hee.

I didn't have a problem with Vala's over the top behavior. I guess I just figure that's who she is, or who she presents herself as, anyway. I think Claudia said it herself, in the previews, "She's a survivor." I think she's been through a lot and managed to get through it behaving the way she does and she's not about to stop now. I'm hoping in the next five episodes that we have with her we find out more about why she acts the way she does. In the meantime, she cracks me up. :p

Didn't mind Daniel's beard all that much, perhaps because I know it's temporary. I loved him and Vala together, absolutely loved them. I know others have said it before, but she reminded me of a pesky kid sister.

Liked Landry, liked the little snippets of Sam.

Oh, and a shoutout to a friend who let me watch this at her house so I wouldn't miss it with my busted tv. :)

Dr. Weir's Hair Gel
July 16th, 2005, 09:35 AM
There were three, yes THREE Farscape jokes. Dunno if I like that... but 2 were subtle, including the one above. The one that wasn't subtle was, I am pretty sure, the actors ad-libbing, not the writers referencing.

kazbaby
July 16th, 2005, 09:40 AM
I haven't read through all of the pages yet, so I'll just post my impressions then go back and read through.

Mitchell is such a fanboy of SG-1 :p, but I liked it for the fact he'd built them up in his mind and it appears it kept him alive after the crash. And dude...what a crash!

The flashbacks were cool and not overdone, I enjoyed how they were slipped in pretty discreetly.

A lot have mentioned the humor. I giggled my butt off, but the two things that really got me was Teal'c reactions to Vala and Mitchell. Him throwing the flashlight beam in Daniel's face at Vala's comment on the sex she and Daniel supposedly had, and then when Cameron is trying to figure out the puzzle sequence he asks 'Are you still having fun, Col. Mitchell?" *snicker*

I missed Vala's wink to Cameron the first time around, and thought his double take was to her comment that the possible father of her 'child' could be one of TEN men. I about fell off the couch during the 2nd showing because I caught it then.

Another thing I really enjoyed was how they were able to still keep Sam part of the episode with the vid phone convo between her and Mitchell, and through the flashbacks. The impression I got from it was that she'd visited him quite a bit during his recovery and they've developed a nice relationship. Not in the least shippy, but a true friendship and respect one another. That's probably one of the reasons why he was looking forward to working with her.

The chessgame between Jack and Landry, very cool. Especially the end of the game with the quotes. I am going to miss Jack, but I have a feeling that they're going to explain his departure with a lot of emotion (i hope) on his next appearance in the 3rd episode.

I ended up yelling when 'To Be Continued' came up because the time flew by way too fast and I can't wait for next week's episode. :cool:

macktheknife
July 16th, 2005, 09:41 AM
Think I might try a summary:

Cameron is standing at the stargate, touching it like Picard touched the Phoenix in First Contact. A couple of SG people (inc Harriman) talk about him and name etc

*Flashback*
Antarctica - Giant spaceship fight. Dogfighting (rather unrealistically IMO) protecting SG1 in the cargo ship. Cameron Sounds more like a commercial 747 pilot talking, also their "radar" is pretty suss. But none-the-less it's a REALLY good battlescene, their F302 takes a hit, smoking engine, a wingman comes in to help him, then promptly gets blown away.

Back in gate room a few quick words and then the Intro. Not impressed with very brief intro. Perhaps they did not have a proper "character" intro ready. Seemed more like a Atlantis space born gate as well.

Shot of mountain entrance.

Inside General's Office.

*Flashback*
Assumably prometheus flight deck. Cameron talking to flight crews (probably as a squadron leader rather than total commander).

Back in General's room.
Cameron is impatiant. Walter O'Reilly has a comical moment. Everyone's good at their job according to the Gen, he likes yelling at people. Cameron makes a joke about himself. Gets given stack of personele files. Has to pick his team.
Cameron "is here to join SG-1", but Gen says Cameron is "there to lead".

Carter = R and D at Area 51.
Daniel = Leaving
Teal'c = Gone for a month.

Jack never used desk drawers. Cameron tries to explain he wanted to work with the "old" SG-1.

Daniels Room.
Cameron and Daniel meet. Make some small talk, Cameron wants Daniel to stay, Daniels is going to Atlantis. Cameron chose SG-1, which means the "old" crew not just the SG-1 unit name.

*Flashback*
Antarctica - Has a enemy on his six, yet somehow manages to help carter by taking out an alkesh, for some reason the Glider on his butt is gone.

Daniels Room
Daniel gives him his apartment key.

Temple at Dkarra (sp?)
Teal'c offers to give Cameron some names of good warriors, talks about his government plans, Teal'c is talking about problems. So Cameron does'nt even get to ask Teal'c to join before he leaves. Cameron gets a little "whacky" and mentions "he's on a mission from god" :D and tries to get directions to the stargate.

Cut shot of mountain.

It's SAM!!!!
Blah Blah Hyperdrive, Blah Blah Uplink, Cameron flat out asks for Sam to come back, joke about Dr Lee, tries to "sweet talk" Sam into coming back. Shows that "Self Depreciating" streak shown earlier. Sam has to leave. I suprised he did'nt ask Walter to join SG-1.

*Flashback*
Get's owned by a death glider, co-pilot dead, eject fails (dodgy parts), crashes.

Jack's house. Which is now (I think) the new General's house, Jack did'nt tell Cameron that Sg-1 was broken up. Some various quotes, and a chess game. Jack Wins.

Audition Montage.
A librarian type linguist (I've seen her somewhere before).
People call him dave. Which is his name.
Techno Geek.
Guy who likes pushups.
Crazy android scientist's (why they would be applying for SG-1 I don't know). Their thing sounds cool.

*Flashback*
Crashed in the snow, radio saying death of enemy fleet.
Very quick flashbacks.
Nurse.
Emergency.
Getting told co-pilot is dead.
Mother?
Docter, walking chances are slim.
Daniel giving praise.
Getting Congressional Medal Of Honour (I have a real problem with that.)
Jack tells him he can do anything he wants. Within Reason.

Gateroom.
DAMN. Vala. "Nice Outfit". She asks for Daniel straight away. She has brought a tablet of ancient treasure. Joke re pregnancy. Tablet is code. Vala knows the code. Danial is needed to "understand" the tablet. Joke about gene pool. Nice comedic touch with Daniel and Cameron. Vala bought tablet from Goauld.
Goauld bracelets, from the Sky Goddess. Daniel gets strapped into one. Vala gets the other one.

Braclets link the 2 people togther.

Mountain Shot.

Dr's Lab.
Can't cut through the bracelet, Dr thinks about cutting the hand, no chance. They don't know how it works, it has faint energy readings.

Daniel Faints.

Security room.
Vala and General, General talks about daughter a bit. A torture joke or 2. Camera is panning around. General gets through little speech.

Vala Faints.

Medical Room.

Teal'c is back. "Daniel Jackson" he says. Daniel seems fine. It's the bracelet. Kormac is what they are, used for prisoner transfer, if the 2 people get far from each other, they both die. Vala interjects. Vala stole it from someone who did'nt tell her about that. Danial gets a little angry and chucks a pillow.

Vala will remove the bracelet (if she can), after she gets the treasure. The Daedulus left 2 hours before he woke up. Cameron suggets getting the treasure, or Danial marrying the "chick". Vala is happy.

Daniel's artifact room. Teal'c does not need to return. Cameron and him have an pretty one sided exchange. Daniel figures out the "secret", and after a fashion reveals that the Ancient Treasure was hidding my Merlin, the Arthurian legend.

Cut to Briefing room. Long winded explation from Daniel about Arthur's times and myths. Blah Blah Blah, Ancients probably hid everything with their Tech.

Cameron is happy, but then Sam can't come. Cameron is less happy.

Space. The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Prometheus.
Daniel would be staying onboard, but then they realise the radio won't work, and then Vala reasons (after flirting a bit with Daniel) and some tech talk, that the rings will get them inside.

Beam Down with rings.
Empty Cavern. Joke about having sex. Oh look, it's the sword in the stone. Daniel get's all geeky and corrects Cameron about the sword itself not being Excalibur. Cameron can't pull it out.

Merlin hologram comes up "Only those with a wealth of knowledge and truth of spirit shall be given access to the underworld. Prove thee worthy and all will be revealed." Vala keeps her eyes on the prize. More flirting\jibing between the 2 kids.

Teal'C wants to explore some tunnels, Cameron goes with him, and the 2 lovebirds go together. Both happen upon rooms that light up with Flares\Fire when they go near, they both enter and get trapped. Radio don't work.

Daniel belives the room is a test. His room is a couple of pots, with some ancient underneath, Cameron's is some sort of number puzzle or word puzzle, too bad they can't read it. Teal'c shoots at the door. Cameron get's a bit of a strange moment, not happy about possible ricochets. Vala opens one of the pots, it's empty. She then tempts fate by exclaiming "How much worse could it get".

Promptly the celing starts to fall down. Teal'c does his iron man thing holding it up. The other pot is empty on Vala's side. Vala and Daniel look slightly concerned to say the least.

"To Be Continued".

L1ssalaun
July 16th, 2005, 09:45 AM
which are the other 2? I haven't noticed, but then again, I'm not that familiar with Farscape

macktheknife
July 16th, 2005, 09:52 AM
I liked the episode. It was a good intro to a couple of characters (and sort of to Vala as well, thanks to Channel 7, I have not seen Prometheus Unbound), and had good explanation for the new "mythos" of the Stargate Universe.

Vala and Daniel reminded me of another show, NCIS, and how Agent Kate and Agent Tony have a similar relationship, but theirs is slightly less "sexual" since they do work together. I don't mind it.

I did'nt like the Medal Of Honour being given. Somehow killing 2 alkesh's and a glider then getting shot down is worth a Medal Of Honour. I'm not american, so I can't "really" judge this, but I don't think those actions were worth the Medal Of Honour. Maybe a Air Force Award and a purple heart, but not the Medal Of Honour.

I think the "trap\puzzle" room has been well overused in Stargate. Maybe think of something else.

Other than that, I liked it much.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
July 16th, 2005, 09:53 AM
I don't know, maybe it's just me but I thought it was funny when Vala said she's pregnant, didn't know who the father was and then winked at CM. Reference to Farscape? Sounds like it to me.
It was a Farscape reference.

And you know what, an hour before the preimere, I completed a four day Farscape Marathon. I gathered all my DVDs and I didn't leave any out.

Hatusu
July 16th, 2005, 10:09 AM
I truly hate the new 10 second opening for the show. It was over so fast you hardly knew the show started.

I thought Beau Bridges was having a lot of fun. Michael Shanks seemed very relaxed. RDA and Christopher judge were as good as ever. I thought Ben Browder was uneven, but then, so was the writing for him. My friend didn't understand the excitement for Ben Browder after seeing the episode. I believe he was holding back for fear of being accused of bringing John Crichton to "Stargate SG1".

I was disturbed by that scene where Mitchell is trapped with Teal'c and Teal'c tries to shoot out the wall. Why did Browder go from under-playing to over-the-top? Why was Teal'c carrying a gun instead of a staff weapon? Why did that scene exist at all? It didn't seem to have any purpose.

And why did Browder get first billing?? I think my head snapped back like I'd been hit when I saw that.

That's not to disrespect Ben Browder. I think he's a fine actor.

And Vala.... I dislike the character even more. I never thought I'd see Claudia Black playing a gold digging ditz dressed as a dominatrix. It was especially startling as compared to the women on BSG who are getting juicy scenes and are treated with respect.

That said, I thought "Avalon part 1" was a good if confusing episode.The action, cinematography and special effects were impressive.

Jeff O'Connor
July 16th, 2005, 10:16 AM
I thought the Farscape references were hilarious. So long as they cut back a little on them over the course if the next five episodes, I won't feel anything but positive about them. And Vala in general is hilarious; love or hate is obviously how people are going to be about her.

esoap524
July 16th, 2005, 10:18 AM
How about Vala's line to Mitchell and Daniel, a direct shot at the fan rumbling about the similarity between Browder and Shanks. Can't remember it directly, but it was something along the lines of your dna, although 'interesting', seems somewhat limited.

I loved their double take at that moment, like they're thinking--could it be?!?!

Just about every line Vala had made me laugh. I don't know if it was the line or the delivery but she sure seemed to be having a damned good time at their expense.

Dr. Weir's Hair Gel
July 16th, 2005, 10:20 AM
#2

Vala: "Play hard to get!"
Mitchell: "That's funny, coming from you."


#3 I'm not so sure about anymore... actually, I'll just get rid of it. Only TWO Farscape references.

macktheknife
July 16th, 2005, 10:21 AM
Yeah, the writing was uneven, it was so quick to go from "stoic hard man of the air force" to "omg you shot the door oh noes!!!! teal'c..." with a very (don't flame me please) but seemed like his reaction was like a girl seeing a mouse.

Hatusu
July 16th, 2005, 10:30 AM
LOL! :D I wish I'd said that.

Sela
July 16th, 2005, 10:49 AM
Yeah, the writing was uneven, it was so quick to go from "stoic hard man of the air force" to "omg you shot the door oh noes!!!! teal'c..." with a very (don't flame me please) but seemed like his reaction was like a girl seeing a mouse.
I actually loved Mitchell's reaction to Teal'c shooting at the door. It caught him completely off guard. Of all the things he expected, Teal'c shooting at the wall wasn't one of them. It had to be the funniest scene in the show. His reaction was exactly like mine would have been. The only thing is I would have yelled a bit more and used a lot more profanity. :)

Skydiver
July 16th, 2005, 10:53 AM
it was middle of the road for me.

yes, it was blatant setup for the next 3-5 eps and as such, was such an info dump that it was rather slow

i do think that cam will do well. i like him, actually always have, and i think he'll be a fine addition

it was very nice of them to work to get sam's two cameos in there. it added a nice sense of continuity to it all

i kinda found the seemingly endless cam flashbacks to be rather annoying. they're working sooooo hard to sell cam to us. friends with sg1,hurt saving sg1, dreams of being on sg1....even the bedside visits. man, all we needed was naturally curly red hair and he'd be the perfect marty sue. :)

please, don't sell him to us, just put him there, justify his presence and let us accept him. i almost felt that i was watching a cameron mitchell infomercial

also, his medal??? a congressional medal of honor???? umm, they don't exactly hand those things out like they were candy and, usually, the president gets to hand them out, not some lowly lt colonel (not that i wasnt' glad to see sam)

vala...she'll be good for a laugh. and when she's not trying to be the super vixen she's not too bad. but her childish 'sexy' remarks get very old very fast. she makes me cringe. and when i cringe, i hit FF.

storywise, it was pretty slow. but like i said, it was all just set-up and as such, it will be slow. the 'goodness' of a part one usually isn't revealed until the final chapter airs and then you can see if the rest of the story elevates the first part

i give it a 3 of 5

Arative
July 16th, 2005, 11:20 AM
I thought it was a great episode, little disappointed that it was over so soon and nothing had been resolved but then I remembed that it was a two parter!

I like BB character, thought that he'd be more of a Jack clone for some reason but was glad when he wasn't throwing out Jack one liners. I really felt sorry for him when Landry told him that he'd be in charge of a new SG-1 and Sam, Daniel and Teal'c had all gone thier seperate ways. He wants to be with the best, and they are the best. Speaking of seperate ways, I thought it was fairly clear that Avalon is taking place months after Seige 3 and the Daedalus had already been to Atlantis and back again and thats why Daniel was going now. I mean why would they send Daniel to Atlantis in the middle of huge battle, that didn't make sense to me.

I like the charcter of Vala, little annoying at times but pretty funny. All the sex talk makes sense if you understand that shes just using what has to get ahead in the galaxy. Most men would be caught way off gaurd by the things she says, which makes it that much easier for her to take advantage of them. I think she's clearly a survivor and will do whatever she has too to survive.

I can't wait for the rest of the season.

L1ssalaun
July 16th, 2005, 11:39 AM
OK, I got it. "Limited Genetic pool", "Vala's pregnancy" and "Playing hard to get"...all Farscape.

Another thing that made me laugh was Teal'c's little evil sarcastic smile after he shot at the stone wall and BB freaked out as in "You want some fun and excitement, there you go!" Priceless

nfx
July 16th, 2005, 11:45 AM
Vala: Now i could've come by ship and looked for it myself but i know nothing about your fair planet. Other than it seems to have an interesting if somewhat limited gene pool.

Mitchell and Daniel look up, then look at each other.

Kalliope
July 16th, 2005, 11:52 AM
I've been just crying from laughing watching Avalon pt. 1, Vala is great! And it's so great to see Claudia's comedic site, she's really, really briliant actress :)

"limited genepool"
"I haven't been this disapointed since Daniel and I had sex."
"Let's make babies!" :D

and the pillow moment, that was really funny.

GLGusher
July 16th, 2005, 11:55 AM
I loved Avalon Part 1. It was realy funny. I also loved Daniel's beard. I loved the part where CM is interviewing new team members and they all suck.

Ace
July 16th, 2005, 12:16 PM
also, his medal??? a congressional medal of honor???? umm, they don't exactly hand those things out like they were candy and, usually, the president gets to hand them out, not some lowly lt colonel (not that i wasnt' glad to see sam)

True... a Medal of Honor is usually presented to the recipient by the President of the United States. However not always...

If I can recall the autobiography correctly... Lieutenant Audie Murphy (America's most decorated soldier) was given the Medal of Honor by General Patch, the 7th Army Commander. Murphy was obviously in the 7th Army...

EDIT: Ok I looked it up... and here is the exact quote from the official Auide Murphy website (http://www.audiemurphy.com/audie101.htm).

"On this day, Major General O'Daniel presented to 1st Lieutenant Murphy the Distinguished Service Cross and Silver Star. After Major General O'Daniel pinned the medals on Audie's uniform, he pulled out of his pocket a Medal of Honor. Without giving it to Audie, Major General O'Daniel showed the medal to him and stated that General Alexander Patch, the 7th Army Commander, would soon pin it on Audie during a different ceremony."

But to continue with the episode... I did not see Carter actually hand Mitchell the award. Nor did I even see it in the scene, I'll have to double check to be sure. But Carter may have just been there with her entourage to "formally" inform Mitchell that not only had he been put up for the award but had received it. So Carter may have been doing what General O'Daniel had been doing... kind of informing him of the medal that he would later receive when he was on his feet and not lying down in a hospital bed.

Ace

Kalliope
July 16th, 2005, 12:18 PM
I must admit that I didn't expect having so much fun watching SG-1. But the writers surprised me in a very positive way, congrats RCC and BW! Great job! :) I've been just crying from laughing watching Avalon pt. 1 and Vala is definitely my favourite character at the moment. It was also great to see Claudia's comedic site, she's really brilliant actress.

Poor Cameron, trying and failing to reunite SG-1 team... but auditioning new members was really funny, especially this last guy doing push-ups.

Daniel's beard - looks good :)

Teal's hair - looks great :)

Is it next Saturday yet? I can hardly wait to see the next part... :D

Spimman
July 16th, 2005, 12:18 PM
I loved Avalon Part I, but right when the action started to pick up it cut off...I'm looking forward to the conclusion being much better in terms of content and getting the SG-1 team back up and running...this episode had necessary set up to new characters that was getting me excited but I really can't wait until next Friday.

Spimman
July 16th, 2005, 12:22 PM
I liked it when they joked about having to get married and Vala said, "Oh fun, lets make babies" or something to that extent...she was pretty funny! Great beginning to two new seasons!

ApophisLives
July 16th, 2005, 12:34 PM
At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, I absolutely loved this episode. Two thumbs up, four out of four stars, whatever you want. It took everything that made me worried about the new season and utterly demolished them. Even Daniel's beard didn't seem so bad, though I won't shed any tears if/when it goes. :)

First, Ben Browder/Cameron Mitchell. I have never seen Farscape, so I wasn't sure what I was going to get. I was worried that he wouldn't be a "friendly" character, that there'd be some animosity between him and the other SGCers, or that there just wouldn't be any chemistry. I thought he did a fantastic job, and am more excited than ever to see the rest of the season. I loved his humor; it didn't come off at all to me as trying to impersonate or replace Jack. He was a great blend of newbieness (to being on SG-1) and confidence (being a respected officer). I thought his reaction to the apparent disbanding of SG-1 was perfect; it's exactly how I would feel.

Second, Claudia Black/Vala. Prometheus Unbound was one of my favorite season 8 episodes. I thought the levity in her relationship with Daniel was fresh and entertaining. We really haven't had anything like it before. The closest thing would be Carter and McKay, but there's not really any sexual tension there; it's just McKay's crush and Carter's annoyance. :) That same levity was preserved well, and several times during the episode I was glad that I wasn't drinking anything at the time, or it would have ended up all over the place. She really just says what's on her mind, and has absolutely no regard for tact or protocol; I love it. :) When she said "Well, I haven't been this disappointed since Daniel and I had sex" was one of those potential spit-takes. It was so unexpected and blatant, plus Teal'c's reaction sold it.

Third, Beau Bridges/Hank Landry. I'm not as overly pleased with his character as I am with Mitchell or Vala, but I think I will like him more after a couple more episodes. Don't get me wrong, I liked his character here too, but some of his dialogue seemed a bit...off. Like reminiscing about Jack telling him about the SG program while they were playing chess. Regardless, the new General was one of my big worries, and suffice it to say that I am no longer worried.

Fourth, the opening. I was puzzled by the inclusion of the Atlantis-style gate. I prefer the older, longer opening, but I'm not too distraught over it. I often fast-forward the openings when I'm watching the DVDs anyway.

Fifth, the actual episode. I am really interested in the whole Merlin/Arthur mythology, so I definitely am looking forward to this arc. I thought the flashbacks were very well done, and familiarized us with Mitchell much more than saying "oh, he was at the battle over Antarctica, and he's...like...cool and stuff." Given the characters they had to introduce (and reintroduce), I thought they did a good job keeping the action going, thanks in part to the aforementioned flashbacks. They managed to get all that exposition done and still advance a storyline a good amount. Kudos to TPTB.

It was sort of funny, though...I sometimes turn on closed captioning, because sometimes some dialogue is hard to hear, while other dialogue is fine (I think it's my TV). If you turn them on during the last scene, where the ceiling is being lowered, and Teal'c is trying to hold it up, a la Chewbacca in the trash compacter, he yells out "Colonel Mitchell!" But the CC shows it as "uno momento!" There were a couple other errors, such as "IVC" instead of "IDC", but that one was the most hilarious.


And as Keshou said, the thing with Merlin being an ancient, I find that rather hard to believe. Firstly, Merlin was a myth, and probably didn't exist at all, and if he did, he came way after the ancient's time.
As opposed to Ra, Apophis, Thor, Anubis, etc.? That's kind of the fundamental core to SG-1: taking mythological figures and explaining how they came about; namely, because of Goa'ulds, Asguards, etc. taking on their personae.

They've done Egyptian mythology (Goa'uld), Roman mythology (Ares), Celtic mythology (Morrigan), Norse mythology (Asguard), Babylonian mythology (Baal, Nem/Omoroca), Aztec mythology (Quetlezcoatl from Crystal Skull), etc. I think The Merlin/King Arthur mythology is a fine extension.

KatG
July 16th, 2005, 12:36 PM
My comments before I read anyone else's.

I didn't hate it. I didn't love it either. It was an enjoyable way to spend an hour, had some funny lines, and the Daniel/Vala dynamic was much better than PU. Glad they found a way to have Sam be a part of the episode.

As for RDA's part, honestly I was disappointed. Not that it was a small part, but that he just didn't seem to be into it at all. When he was talking with Landry he seemed kind of wooden to me.

CovertOperative
July 16th, 2005, 12:40 PM
I liked the part where Mitchell was interviewing the possible SG1 candidates :D

DigiFluid
July 16th, 2005, 12:50 PM
OK, I got it. "Limited Genetic pool", "Vala's pregnancy" and "Playing hard to get"...all Farscape.

I never really watched Farscape....but the "limited genetic pool" thing seemed to me more like making fun of the fact that Shanks and Browder look alike.

NightGloom
July 16th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Is it bad to say that I liked this ep. better than some of the ones last season? Of course, there were some bad things, but I wasn't looking at the clock to see if it was almost time for Atlantis like I was some of the time last season *cough* Affinity *cough*

Good things...
-Vala's "limited genepool" comment to Daniel & Cameron
- "I'm pregnant, there's a 1 in 10 chance that it's your's" *wink to Ben Browder*- Yes, I actually liked the Farscape nods, I think it would have been slightly uncomfortable for Farscape fans to watch it without them there.

- Even though I don't really like Vala and I feel slightly uncomforable sitting there when my parents walk in and she's wearing that dominatrix outfit, I did like her and Daniel together... "still not a minute... still not a minute"

- The "crash" flashback... awesome!

- Cameron interviewing people was kind of amusing "People call me... Dave"

- Teal'c!

- Incorporation of Sam... even though it didn't explain why she went or why she wouldn't come back (well, we all know why AT can't be in the episodes, but it didn't explain why Sam wasn't there)

- Daniel's correction to CM that the "sword in the stone" wasn't actually Excalibur... I hate it when people mess that up (even Monty Python got it right...kinda)



Bad things...
- Too many CM flashbacks- just show they crash, I woulda been fine with that

- The whole "buried treasure" thing I found kind of cheesy. Please don't turn SG-1 into a children's show. "There are 10 Jaffa... 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10... 10, 10 Jaffa"
-also, this is not Indiana Jones... did anyone else get
the whole "Indiana Jones" feeling?

-Vala's outfit...

-Vala's comments about sex every 3 seconds

- No straight out explanation as to what happened to Jack... or anyone else really

- Daniel's beard

- Cameron is not exactly a character yet, more like a bunch of lines that aren't really tied together evenly. If they don't fix him soon, he's going to get really annoying. As long as it's not "John Crichton Goes Through the Stargate"

-Daniel's beard

- shortened intro

- Did I mention Daniel's beard?


So, all in all- SG-1 is going to need some fixing. However, I do think they may be headed in the right direction.

Croatoan
July 16th, 2005, 12:59 PM
Totally loved the first episode of the new season.

The new general seems to have some depth to his personality where Jack obviously was lacking as the general. The scene where they played chess was pretty interesting that Jack would beat someone at chess when he plays dumb oh so often was very nice touch.

So far mitchell is a golden find. There seems to be alot of discent about this on the board wiether hes good or bad for the show but in his first episode I think he brought back some of the early humor that Oniel usted to bring to the show.

Vala - I think its great how they used her. There was alot of sexual tension between her and daniel back in permetheus unbound and it makes sense that hed at least want to hear her out on his home turf if it remotly sounded like it would work. He heard her out was ready to send her packign and the new General made him look into what she had. It was ancient after all and in code - two things that are synonimous with potential new knowledge and weapons. Everything else about her was a piggy back of how her character acted before, which i totally felt appropriate.

The ongoing tension showed between her and daniel. Their little side squables - it all makes for good TV.


Bottom line over the course of 9 season of television there are many many many forks in the road where TPTB could go one way or the other. Fans are going to pout and cry if you dont go there way and with at least one fork each episode your bound to have bitter fans after 9 years - the fact that they watch the show to complain is just as good for the show as those who watch and love the show because it all comes down to ratings which are based on how many people tuned in!

Croataon

Kalinda
July 16th, 2005, 01:00 PM
So, let's see... it certainly lived up to my expectations :) I was afraid Mitchell would be lacking in the humour department, but I really like him and he had some amusing lines. I'm so glad he wasn't "the Jack-wannabe". Props to BB and the writers for making the character quite likeable; Stargate does indeed produce likeable characters.

I loved the flashbacks and how they were built into the episode, plus Mitchell's attempts to get the team together again. I was a little concerned about how the whole "Hey, SG1 split up" thing would work out, but it was done quite well in the end - people do move on, go to different places, etc. I, of course, can't wait to see Sam back again. Nice she had a cameo.

I also really liked Vala, the funniest moments with her were when she made the comment about Earth's gene pool and the way Mitchell and Daniel look at each other :D Also liked when Daniel threw the pillow at her when they were in the infirmary and "Let's make babies!"

And General Landry; I'm glad he was different then Hammond but still a good character. I did feel sorry for Daniel when Landry told him to get to the point, though.

The most amusing part of the episode had to be when Mitchell was interviewing various people in an attempt to decide who could join SG1.

My only complaint about it was that it felt like the episode took a bit too long to get going as far as the "finding treasure" plot was concerned, but it was also important to establish Mitchell's character (loved how they did that), so it's forgiveable.

Cliffhanger could've been more interesting, but I was still left with a slight sense of peril. I did see it coming, though, when the doors closed I figured there'd be some kind of boobie traps.

Great episode, I give it an Outstanding rating on the GW poll and a 9.5/10 :)

Oh and the opening credits suck :( I pray that the DVDs will have the full version. And also that SkyOne will show them.

Season 9 is off to an awesome start, can't wait for more :)

JJL
July 16th, 2005, 01:03 PM
Firstly, the decision to eliminate the full opening credits was disastrous. What an incredibly pathetic, myopic decision by SciFi. It was a blatant shameless money grab and illustrated their contempt for the fans of the show. Atlantis has an Emmy nod for their theme music - what the hell is going on in SciFi's mind? IMO they intentionally delayed the announcement of the 10-second P.O.S. intro they subbed in because they knew the fans wouldn't be happy. They seriously need to have their ears boxed. There are some very, very poor decision makers sitting in leather chairs at SciFi right about now. Keeping BSG's intro and eliminating BOTH Stargate intros was immeasurably stupid. I'll forgive them if they reverse this incredibly bad display of judgment ASAP.

Out of a scale of 100 I would have to give this episode a 90.

The way the episode unfolded seemed a little unnatural to me, but they are also trying to explain ALOT in only a short amount of time. We'll learn more as the season unfolds, which is exactly how I like it.

Ben didn't convince me with his character - now when I say that I do not mean it as a crticism. He is new to the series and is essentially replacing RDA. I could sense that he is feeling his way around and is trying to get comfortable with his new role - I know that after 5 EPs its going to be all good. We know about Lt. Mitchells achievements, what he did previously and how he came to the SGC... but its still very early and we don't know anything about WHO his character really is. People are comparing Mitchell and O'Neill... I don't think thats very wise. There are already startling differences - Mitchell's strength is leading by example whereas O'Neill's strength is leading by excelling in a commanders role. Mitchell is naturally funny and Jack is funny in a "yeah, I know I'm funny" way. Mitchell is very eager and wide-eyed, whereas Jack is hard-nosed and experienced almost to the point of being jaded. I think there is enormous potential for Ben's character and once he's comfortable with being in "the family" he will maximize that potential.

Claudia's character is a nutball. I love her. :) She should have never been allowed to come to Earth, but I can understand why Daniel ok'd it... he's freaking Daniel and is eternally willing to give people a chance. She is a bit of a hornball... and I am by no means a prude (gimme a break, I'm a 20-something guy that loves women) but they could probably dial back the sexual stuff a tad. We get it - hell we got it when she first appeared in SG-1. She is a sexual deviant and she in no circumstances should be trusted.

I wonder if this version of Teal'cs haircut is going to be his last. Hell, I bet Chris Judge is asking himself that question right now.

Teal'c and his interaction with Mitchell is odd but understandable. Teal'c sees O'Neill as a brother and they are extremely tight. I don't blame Teal'c for looking at Mitchell with a degree of skepticism. I sense that Mitchell's character is the type of guy who is a hard-nosed soldier and born leader, so eventually I think that Mitchell will do something very heroic that will earn the respect of Teal'c.

Carter - see you in a few episodes!

O'Neill - sad to see him go. Its RDA's life and if he wants to enjoy the spoils he has earned and be with his daughter who could blame him? Good luck and I hope you return on occasion RDA.

General Landry - No opinion yet really. I think Beau did a nice job. We haven't really seen him in the commander role yet. I trust that things will be fine and that fans will like the character.

Overall I thought the episode was a little bit too campy for my taste. I want to see how the characters interact when the shtuff really hits the fan. I respect Mitchell's determination to assemble the original SG-1... that guy doesn't take no for an answer and will basically do whatever he has to do in order to make it happen. I love seeing that in a military character. It feels like a completely new show to me. I have to see about 5 episodes or so to really know how I feel about where the direction of the show is going, but so far so good!

Nurgle
July 16th, 2005, 01:04 PM
Regarding the comment about getting a high medal for shooting down 2 alkesh... if the congressional medal of honour is anything like the victoria cross, then the award would have been for shooting down the two alkesh while flying a badly damaged starfighter (which was put into production after very few test flights [0]) while being persued by several highly advanced enemy fighters.

Sounds pretty damned heroic to me.

[0] It's stated in 'Fragile Balance' that o'niel has more flight experience in the 302 than anyone else, yet he's only been in it twice before this comment.

ApophisLives
July 16th, 2005, 01:06 PM
This episode had a lot of really funny moments.

Mitchell: I was hoping you could tell me something about yourself. Something...personal.
Interviewee: ...people call me Dave.
Mitchell: [Looks at folder] ...says here that's your name.
Interviewee: .......yes.

Vala: I haven't been this disappointed since Daniel and I had sex.
Teal'c: [Looks at Daniel]

Teal'c: [Fires at door]
Mitchell: Woah! Woah! Woah...man! Bullets bounce!
Teal'c: [Grins in amusement]

Vala: Okay, how about this: we open both of them, and whichever one the treasure's in is the right one.

Vala: How much worse can it get?
[Ceiling starts to rumble downwards]
Daniel: How about that much?
Vala: I knew it was a mistake the moment I said it. ...the moment.

Daniel: Well, there are a number of conflicting interpretations, but certain threads point to the Knights of the Round Table. Gathering great treasures from the far corners of Arthur's domain and hiding them in a magical stronghold at Avalon.
Mitchell: Including the Holy Grail.
Daniel: According to some.
Vala: So this Grail...what's that worth?
[Everyone looks at her]
Vala: ...what?

Vala: ...now I could have come by ship and looked for it myself, but I know nothing about your fair planet...other than it seems to have a rather interesting but somewhat limited gene pool.
[Daniel and Mitchell look up at Vala, then at each other, sort of recoil, then look back at Vala.]

TheGreatLordGeorge
July 16th, 2005, 01:09 PM
it was awesome!i totally think that bb and cb brought new life to the show.they should put cb on the show permanately! the funniest line in episode had to be when mitchell said to teal'c something like "o c'mon any minute now dr. jackson will come up with a beakthrough in the translation that will send us on another exciting adventure" then what ya know he does. i think it was the TPTB poking fun at themselves

Skydiver
July 16th, 2005, 01:13 PM
this is what i've dug up so far:

10. What are the guidelines for which the medal could be awarded?
10A. On July 25,1963 Congress established a set of guidelines under which the Medal of Honor could be awarded:
a.) while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States;
b.) while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or,
c.) while serving with friendly forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

11. What was the last action in which the Medal of Honor was awarded?
11A. The last action in which the Medal of Honor was awarded occurred at the Baghdad Airport, Iraq. Sgt. 1st Class Paul R. Smith was posthumously awarded for his actions on April 4, 2003.

3. How many Air Force Congressional Medal of Honor recipients are there?
3A. Since the formation of a separate Air Force in 1947 there have been seventeen recipients. Prior to 1963 members of the Army Air Corps and the Air Force were awarded the Army Medal. In 1963 the Air Force acquired its own MOH design.

http://www.cmohs.org/medal.htm

http://www.medalofhonor.com/MedalOfHonorBreakdown.htm

http://www.medalofhonor.com/Regulations.htm

http://www.medalofhonor.com/RecommendationProcess.htm

The following organizations and individuals play key roles in the Army Medal of Honor recommendation process:
• CHAIN OF COMMAND
Submits award recommendation that meets the two year submission time limit to Department of the Army Personnel Command
• MEMBER OF CONGRESS
Submits award recommendation that is outside the two year limit for submission to Department of the Army Personnel Command or the Secretary of the Army who forwards request to Personnel Command.
• DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY PERSONNEL COMMAND
Army Decoration Board - Merit Review, can disprove based on criteria (Cdr, HRC can overrule)
Senior Army Decorations Board - Recommends approval, disapproval, or downgrade.
• MANPOWER AND RESERVE AFFAIRS
Concurs or nonconcurs with Board recommendation
• CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE ARMY
Concurs or nonconcurs with Board recommendation
• SECRETARY OF THE ARMY
Recommends approval or can disapprove. Also forwards packet to Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff for comment.
• SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
Recommends approval or can disapprove.
• PRESIDENT
Approves or disapproves.



so in one way, sure cam could qualify. course they also said that approval takes around 18 months....which doesn't work in the timeline of the show. also the simple fact that they haven't handed one out since 2003 (there might have been a recent one, i seem to recall a snippit on the news)

they don't just hand them out to folks. also, and i'm not saying this to diss cam, if cam gets one for shooting down two alkash, well then so should many other folks that were in his wing, not to mention jack for sticking his head in the head sucker.

I'm glad he got a medal and all, i just think they might have chosen the wrong one. IMHO the Air Medal would have been far more plausible

Major Fischer
July 16th, 2005, 01:34 PM
I think my basic problem with Mitchell being awarded the medal is two fold...

A) By virtue of awarding it it threatens the program's secracy. It's a high profile award, usually given postumously and the air force gives them less than any other branch of service. If IRC most of the Air Force MOH from Vietnam for instance went to Wild Weasel crews. People who by virtue of where they were flying were virtual suicide missions to protect others. I did not see anything in the flashbacks that suggested that Mitchell was doing anything different than anyone else in that fight. Perhaps if he'd RAMMED one of the Alkesh...

B) Sam and Jack only got an air medal for saving the planet from Apophis. My grandfather had three air medals in World War II. It's a relatively low grade award as far as valor comes.

oragans
July 16th, 2005, 01:35 PM
ok just befor ei say anything i ordered Online television recently just incase you wondering cause im from the UK.

Im so glad i did - Beua bridges was the star of the show - ben browder was hilarious - Claudia was great - Teal'c was teal's - Daniel jackson enoyed me know, hopefully he will stop moaning.

Favourite moment - Camerons reaction to tealc firing at the wall/and him constantly following him.

I just cant wait for the next episode i am dying to see how they get out.

Acropolis
July 16th, 2005, 01:37 PM
vala beats out carters humor anyday love her the new team is just hilarious they are just missing RDA's humor

ApophisLives
July 16th, 2005, 01:40 PM
The only problems I had with it were very minor.

First, they didn't explain what was going on with O'Neill. I inferred that he had retired, but where, and why? (I would assume the why was from the last couple of episodes of S8, where he was encouraged to retire so military regulations wouldn't get in the way of love, but Jack's moved away and Carter's gone to Area 51, so...what's going on?)

Second, a few odd inconsistencies, like the following:

Tech: We were able to map around the energy distortion that would have normally fooled deep-ground sonar. It was able to define a large main cavern, a network of tunnels, and some smaller caves.
Mitchell: Well done, Lieutenant.
Vala: Can you see what's in there? Say, large piles of precious metals?
Tech: Like I said, we can only map the exterior of the structure.

Really, Lieutenant, when did you say you could only map the exterior? In fact, you just got done telling us about the interior of this hill, and pointing out that you had successfully penetrated the only sort of shielding present.

Just seemed kind of odd.

donniepw
July 16th, 2005, 02:42 PM
#2

Vala: "Play hard to get!"
Mitchell: "That's funny, coming from you."


#3 I'm not so sure about anymore... actually, I'll just get rid of it. Only TWO Farscape references.

The third reference to CB & BB on Farscape was after Vala came through the gate and said to BB's character "I know we've never met, that much I'm sure I'ld remember".

All in all the show had alot of funny moments. My favorite was the look Teal'c gave Daniel when Vala said they slept together. Classic.

Ace
July 16th, 2005, 02:45 PM
they don't just hand them out to folks. also, and i'm not saying this to diss cam, if cam gets one for shooting down two alkash, well then so should many other folks that were in his wing, not to mention jack for sticking his head in the head sucker.

I'm glad he got a medal and all, i just think they might have chosen the wrong one. IMHO the Air Medal would have been far more plausible

Ahh... well that's easier to explain! If we are to believe TPTB and Mitchell is the person who lead all of the F-302's into battle than as the person who was the commander and therefor had more responsiblity he would have received the higher award.

The other squadron commanders probably would have received the Air Force Cross and the individual pilots the Silver Star or something.

Unfortunatly that is how the military works... it's usually the officers who receive the "higher" award in a combat operation than the enlisted men. Why because they were the ones in command and in charge of seeing the enlisted men through the battle.

While it's not always the case... that's how it usually goes down. As the, I'm guessing here, Group Commander of the F-302's Mitchell is the one to receive the MOH.

Other pilots may have also recieved the MOH for blowing up 6 Alkesh and 20 Death gliders... we don't know it is never stated. But that is probably why he was awarded the MOH instead of an Air Medal like you stated.

Ace

TameFarrar
July 16th, 2005, 02:59 PM
Well I have read a smattering of posts both good and bad...and I guess i fall on the side of GOOD :D... I had a GREAT TIME watching this first episode... I had no expectations since the show had the onus of introducing new characters and exiting out one very beloved one....so I was VERY HAPPY with how things were done....

BEN .... I was completely entertained by his performance. He did a great job of showing me a charcter that had high hopes that seemed to have very little chance of being achieved. Ben has some very good comedic timing and he can pull off some of the dryer humor better then anyone I have ever seen on SG1

I look forward to watching him find the voice of *Cameron Mitchell*... and as that voice grows I expect we will all be pretty impressed with the range this man has :D

Teal'c and Daniel ...Chris and Micheal... seemed very *THERE* and that was a joy to watch.... Especially Micheal... he and Claudia have a great rapore and it is so wonderful to watch them react to each other. Chris and Ben just made me laugh continously... Chris has a great way of just using those facial expressions that you can't help but KNOW he is just thinking *Oh Please*...LOL Watching those two characters interact was yet another bonus!!

Vala... CLaudia... What a joy to watch her!!! :D :D I show love an actress that does NOT take this whole thing so freakin serious and really has fun ENTERTAINING people. It just comes across that she really is enjoying herself period...That in itself makes the show even better. I loved her last season and I know I am just going to love watching her this season. Who cares what she is wearing... the clothes aren't acting... ;) The character is an obnoxious, pain in the butt that says what is on her mind and she wants to shock people into revealing things... she suceeds more then not... AND does it in a humorous way... How can I not love this character.:D

Beau Bridges... He did a really good job ... I think starting out stuffy and a hard ass leaves this character many avenues to act in ways that are going to be interesting...Much like Hammond was in the beginning.... straight and narrow and hard-nosed but over time the focus began to change. I look forward to seeing what this Oscar award winning actor does with this character. "D


Overall I was just thouroughly entertained... I liked how the story was slowly unfolded and I had no expectations of some deep major plot... Heck this is SG1 FCOL.. it isn't a deep show... It had everything I expected and more. I had a great time watching it and came away looking forward to next week... that is all I ask from any TV show :D :D

Sam_o_Neill
July 16th, 2005, 03:03 PM
Just got to watch the ep, and made notes all the way through...

I thought this was a very funnny episode! It did feel wierd not having Jack and Sam but I love Colonel Mitchell and Vala and Daniel are just so great together! Actually Vala is great with everyone :)

The thing about this that annoyed me the most was the credits!!! I can't believe they shortened them that much! We don't even get the Stargate theme anymore! When I first started watching Stargate everytime I heard the theme song it got all excited and I would come running to the tv to watch! They've got to give us the longer credits back!!!

Anyways back to the good bits....
I think we had a few of the best lines of Stargate in this episode, especially Mitchell doing his funny pointing 'dance' while telling Teal'c that bullets bounce! That was FUNNY! :)

I'm glad they dropped in a few old faces for us to make coping without Jack and Sam a bit better even though I was surprised to see Sam on the computer screen :) I smiled when I saw Walter and Dr.Lee :) all i really needed was Siler then I would be over the moon!

I can't believe how easily SG-1 seemed to split up though but i guess they had to write it like that. I wish we had gotten a more detailed explanation of why Sam was away too..it seemed a bit vague to me :S

Can't wait for next week!!! :):) This is better than I ever expected it to be! :D:D:D

My Rating: 7/10 i was expecting <3 to be honest!

Feli
July 16th, 2005, 03:06 PM
I actually laughed quite a bit at Vala's remark about the 1 in 10 chance of the "baby" being Daniel's then her nod and wink towards Mitchell. It's something that only a Farscape fan would get.

Uhu. But can you imagine how absolutely senseless this remark seemed to someone who's never watched Farscape? Inside jokes are always problematic when they're not also a little bit funny for an outsider because then the outsider realizes that it was an inside joke and feels left out. Making parts of your audience feel left out is never a good thing.

Uber
July 16th, 2005, 03:10 PM
My Feelings about Avalon...the Day After...

I confess I went into Avalon all ready to not like it...and so when I watched it the first time last night, I got exactly what I expected.

But then I realized I had been unfair to set such expectations on it...and watched it again. I liked it significantly better the second time. I haven't QUITE warmed to Cam just yet (which as a HUGE Ben Browder fan surprises me a lot)...but it is JUST the first episode...

First off, being that she is my favorite character, I was delighted to see ANY SAM at all.

Next, I love the fact that Cam and Sam seem to be genuine friends...like maybe more than just of a connection than we saw. And NO I don't mean a shippy kind of connection here folks :rolleyes: but I sense there's more to their friendship than just her showing up at his hospital. For instance, it's clear that he didn't know Daniel Jackson at all except by his name and face from a remembered visit at the hospital but with Sam and that conversation he had with her, I sensed more rapport. I mean he felt comfortable enough to share his insecurities with her and to practically BEG her to return...

>>On a side note, I'm guessing there will be Sam/Cam Shippers....LOL Funny thing is, they'll have the same problem Sam/Jack Shippers had except in reverse. THIS TIME SAM'S THE RANKING OFFICER IN THE COMMAND STRUCTURE. Isn't that a hoot? :D

Okay...back to my yammering.

I loved how he tried to get the "band back together"...but Sam has her Area 51 thing plus personal issues *cough*Cassandra AND I THINK JACK*cough* Daniel has his dreams of going to Atlantis and Teal'c's too busy dealing with politics on Dakara...and realized it ain't going to happen (well not for a while at least). So for the first few episodes, SG-1 is just going to be SG-Him. :D

Now I was alittle disappointed with how flat his jokes came off while on Dakara...asking every Jaffa in sight to join SG-1... :rolleyes:

As for Cam winning the medal, I know some who were upset by him winning something SG-1 never has...I didn't mind it at all. I could be wrong here, but my sense is that maybe they weren't quite sure he was going to make it for quite a long while...and primarily it's thanks to him and General Hammond that SG-1 was able to get to the chair in Antarctica. And it seems clear that Sam wasn't bothered by it...she was brimming with pride in awarding it to him on behalf of the President...who was perhaps unavailable because he still needed to fill his Vice Presidential slot... :cool:

>>On another side note, I sure hope we get to see Kinsey again...I mean come on...Kinsey as Goa'uld. You know you love it too...

What was I saying? Oh yeah...

The Teal'c/Cameron friendship...or lack thereof. I got quite a kick out of the fact that Teal'c doesn't seem to like Cam at all right now. I mean, he appreciates what Cam did in Antarctica...but personality-wise, think OIL and WATER. It'll be interesting to see how Cam wins his friendship.

Now for Vala. She served her purpose in annoying Daniel to no end and by preventing him from going to Atlantis...(sigh, I don't think he's ever going to go). Some of her quips were a LITTLE over the top for my taste but not enough to make me cringe and change the channel. I love how she kinda got caught in her own trap which made me laugh...:D We started to get a small sense near the end of Prometheus Unbound that she was really ready to tell Daniel the truth so I sense hope for her.

Plus, Vala is a survivor. We know she hosted a Goa'uld...but for how long? And we know that she was tortured because of what the snake did using her as a host...and I also wonder about how much psychological damage she suffered during that time. I think we also saw hints of this in Prometheus Unbound and it was interesting then to watch Daniel try to figure her out. And I know I'm in the minority, but in PU, I loved watching her beat the crap out of Jackson (who as some of you know isn't my favorite *cough*understatement*cough*) who she was clearly attracted to...but again, she's a survivor. And an opportunist. Kind of Ferengi-like in her approach to obtaining wealth. But as for Daniel, she had something to do and wasn't about to let a hunkahunka burnin love stop her...either in PU or in Avalon.

>>Okay yet another sidebar here...but in PU, did any of you catch Daniel doing the "I'm crushing your head" act on Vala? So in his spare time, he must watch old episodes of "Kids in the Hall"... :cool:

And now back to the review...

General Landry...hmm. I don't adore him yet...but I'll give it time. His relationship with Cam should be interesting...especially when the whole thing with his daughter develops. :D

I hated seeing so little of Jack...but then I already miss Jack and RDA. *sigh*

>>Hmmm...time for another sidebar. Since when does Jack have a motorcycle? I mean, we know Sam does...*thinks happy shippy thoughts*

Back to the show...

Cute acknowledgement about "not ever seeing Cameron before" kind of a nice wink and a nod to Farscape fans who enjoyed seeing them as John and Aeryn (like me) and of course the "limited gene pool" quip...again, just a cute way to acknowledge the similarities between their appearance (which I only kinda see...but then I know them both so well as separate personalities).

Here's a question for you all who have seen the episode...when Daniel and Vala are in the tunnel and she comments that she's a little afraid of whatever creature might have been left behind to guard the treasure, and Daniel said something like "it would be running from you when it gets to know you," was it just me or did you see kind of a hurt expression on her face? I saw that and it kinda told me that Daniel's judging her by the way she's acting/has treated him...but perhaps that's just a façade and he doesn't really know her at all. She seemed genuinely to have her feelings hurt...which tells me that there might be some more depth to her character and personality than maybe was first thought...

I still think it was a little slow...but sheesh, compared to SGA and BSG with MAJOR cliffhangers, there's no way this slower paced episode could compete with what happened in those two...and that kind of comparison isn't quite fair to Avalon. And I've decided to give SG-1 a fair chance to keep me as a fan...and that means probably at least the first half of the season.

All in all, right now I'll give Avalon a 3.5 out of 5 possible zats (originally it was a 3, but I upped it a half point for the inclusion of Sam clips and for the line by Cameron to a not very impressed Teal'c "I just love the rapport we're building between us..." :D

And this number could easily increase or decrease depending on the next few episodes and how Avalon served as a foundational, laying out the pieces kind of episode leading up for Sam's return.

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Kalliope
July 16th, 2005, 03:13 PM
Uhu. But can you imagine how absolutely senseless this remark seemed to someone who's never watched Farscape? Inside jokes are always problematic when they're not also a little bit funny for an outsider because then the outsider realizes that it was an inside joke and feels left out. Making parts of your audience feel left out is never a good thing.

It's also a kind of invitation to take a look at this other show... :)

Token
July 16th, 2005, 03:23 PM
As a Sam fan and a Sam/Jack shipper, I wasn't sure what Season 9 had in store for me. I wasn't a Farscape fan either. That being said... I am very excited about Season 9 now!!

I enjoyed Cameron Mitchell. I enjoyed the flashbacks. I was a little shocked he got the Medal of Honor, but maybe they will explain more of the reasons in later episodes. It was refreshing to see the "Stargate" universe through the fresh eyes of Cameron and Landry. I also like the fact that Cameron is not a cocky, self-assured leader.

Beau Bridges was delightful! For me, Beau being part of Stargate was a promising point for Season 9, and I'm glad I wasn't disappointed.

It was fantastic to see Sam!! I wasn't expecting to see her at all. I liked how Cameron is in awe of Sam in a "fan" way as he is with all of SG-1.

WELL DONE!!

DetriusXii
July 16th, 2005, 03:43 PM
When General Landry interrogates Vala.

Gen. Landry: How old are you?
Vala: Mental abuse won't work either.
Gen. Landry: I have a daughter abour your age. Hasn't listened to me since she was twelve. It doesn't matter what I say or do.
Vala: You're not going to bore me with your personal life are you? I have to admit, an hour or two of that might break me...

I liked that quick witted response. I didn't like Vala in Prometheus Unbound, but I liked her character in this episode. The sex jokes were wittier in this episode than they were in s8.

Faraway
July 16th, 2005, 03:56 PM
I got another Farscape refrence for you.

When Vala passed by Mitchell and Landry, after coming through the gate, she talks about how she should be having fun in a room with all this testosterone.

Claudia's other alter ego Aeryn from Farscape said "Oh, to be in the warm glow of all this testosterone," in a sarcastic manner in season one's Family Ties.

Ancient 1
July 16th, 2005, 04:06 PM
I thought the episode was okay; average considering what it had to accomplish, but does everything out of Vala's mouth have to be a smartass remark? If TPTB intend to kill her off, okay; but if not, the character needs some depth. She's just so one-dimensional at this point....She lies, she steals, she fights, and she has a smartass attitude. This will not have much appeal over time; IMHO, naturally.

Elizabeth Bartlett
July 16th, 2005, 04:08 PM
All the diolugue between Daniel and Vala is halarious. They are compleate opposites that they work well together. Plus there's the unresolved sexual tention between the two that makes even more funny to watch. And when they fight they act like five year olds.

*Daniel and Vala fighting*
Cameron: Do I have to seperate you two?

Cameron:"Or you could just marry the chick."
Vala:"YEA! Let's make babies!"
*Daniel throws a pillow at Vala*

Vala:"Ah, doesn't this bring back memories. Yeah, isn't this where I beat you up?"
Daniel:"No."
Vala:"Yeah this is where I crushed your-"
Daniel:"All right then."

ping-pong
July 16th, 2005, 04:09 PM
Loved Avalon part 1.

Impressed with Cameron Mitchell so far. For those who thought there were too many flashback scenes: it was only to delve into Mitchell's background regarding his credentials as Colonel as well as his connection with SG1.

General Landry is different from Hammond---and I like that. Not to slam Hammond because I loved him (and I still miss seeing him) but Landry's gruffness is something I like. Hammond had a stern, but loving fatherly personality towards SG1. Landry seems to have like a personality that is gritty and crochtety on the outside; but allows his warmth to show--on certain occasions. ;)

Loved seeing Jack again. I'm going to miss him. :(

I was also pleasantly surprised by Sam's brief appearance.

I like Vala's over the top personality. I love how she's such a pesky annoyance to Daniel---and perhaps to the rest of SG1 team. But I think there's more to Vala than being a scheming tart; and it will show through as more episodes follow.

Daniel's beard is not that bad. In fact, I think it's quite attractive. But don't get him started on the ancients!! Boy can that guy talk----and fast!! :p

Teal'c----that's my man!! Christopher Judge was right when he said in that Gate World interview that Teal'c doesn't know whether or not to like Mitchell. Their interactions are quite funny--especially that scene in the cave. I was impressed at how Dakara (the Jaffa holy city) has improved since "Reckonings" from season 8. I'm curious to see how the newly free Jaffa will create their own government and how their relationship with the Tauri will be affected. It already appears that Teal'c will find himself stuck in the middle between his loyalty to the Tauri (SG1 in particular) and loyalty to his people.

UNRE4L
July 16th, 2005, 04:11 PM
The part which really got me laughing was the mitchell's interview with the army people.

And where mitchell was trying to talk Daniel into staying with SGC because of his knowledge of the ancients. MS then said: Well thats why i am going to the "City of the Ancients". It was the Way he said it which got me laughing.

Kevin
July 16th, 2005, 04:22 PM
Overall I really liked the show. The pacing was fine, as they had to establish new things in a reasonable manner, and just jumping into it wasn't the way to go.

I really liked that they had the group disbanded. After taking out both the Gou'ald and the Replicators, it was almost like their "job was done". They had done all they could to save the world, and it seemed they no longer needed to. All their enemies were gone. Very realistic

The plot was a little slow at first, but it will sure pick up next week. Great idea to make Merlin an Ancient

Daniel has slowly evolved over the year. He's become much more cynical over the years....maybe it's from spending all that time with Jack. She's no longer the wimpy little archeologist.

Jack not opening the drawer.....classic.

I love Vala, she's great to watch. Her interaction with Daniel has been really well done. Their fun! And you could never go wrong with leather

Wasn't crazy about Mitchell. Hopefully it will change after this episode, but he felt like Crichton too much. That's my only real complaint though.

Dakara looked great

Solid episode overall

mtee1958
July 16th, 2005, 04:22 PM
I look forward to watching him find the voice of *Cameron Mitchell*... and as that voice grows I expect we will all be pretty impressed with the range this man has :D

Overall I was just thouroughly entertained... I liked how the story was slowly unfolded and I had no expectations of some deep major plot... Heck this is SG1 FCOL.. it isn't a deep show... It had everything I expected and more. I had a great time watching it and came away looking forward to next week... that is all I ask from any TV show :D :D


That is exactly it!!!!!!!!! It's a tv show -- lean back and enjoy! Sometimes I hate coming onto forums because people are going to blast it for not doing this or that. One question -- was it fun/exciting and/or heart pounding to watch. Did you spend an enjoyable hour watching? If yes, then it did it's job. Don't over analyze -- just watch and enjoy. If you hated watching, then stop - if you can't get over not having RDA on or somesuch -- then stop. I frankly couldn't watch Jonas, it bothered me and was no longer fun - so I stopped watching. It seemed crazy to me to sit there and complain yet continue watching every week. It's tv and that means it should entertain you in some way. I thought it was a good ep -- the time raced by -- I chuckled at times and I came away satisfied. I fully expect to have weeks where the writing is off and it's not as good -- show me a tv show that consistently delivered week after week, year after year. So for those off weeks, you shrug and go - there's always next week.

Dani347
July 16th, 2005, 04:58 PM
I liked it. There were a few problems, but overall I enjoyed it. I thought the pacing in the introduce Mitchell scenes was too slow. And, I really didn't care about the battle scenes. Not my thing. Liked it better when Mitchell was actually interacting with people. He seems more by the book military than Jack, but not in a hard*ss way.

I also had a hard time seeing Beau as Landry. He just never seemed to establish the character.

I liked how Mitchell really respected and almost hero worshiped each member of SG-1.

I think they did a good job of not making it Fargate. Unless the whole of it being that is simply having actors who used to work on that show. But, the interaction between Vala and Mitchell was nothing like between Aeryn and Crichton. Probably because Vala is nothing like Aeryn. And, if the wink to him when she said she was pregnant was supposed to be a nod to her having a baby of Farscape, it went over my head. I thought it was just her way of saying not believe her when she said she was pregnant this time.

I've read here and on other boards how Daniel seemed angry, and I didn't see it. Unless people mean angry with Vala, and yeah, but is that surprising? She ruined his chance to see Atlantis, and we know he's been gunning for it. But, I didn't see any anger from him when Mitchell came to talk him into staying. I saw distraction. I'm guessing every conversation he heard since he found out he was going to Atlantis probably filtered through his head as "Blah, blah, blah Atlantis, blah, Atlantis, blah, blah, Atlantis" And, I didn't see cyncism, except around Vala, and again who can blame him? But, when he was talking about Merlin, he seemed really excited and bouncy and can't believe it, and like Daniel of old. I liked that it never occured to him that no one would know who the heck this "Mergin" person was, because he was so caught up in the discovery. And, those quick nods when Mitchell was trying to wrap his head around it all. "Merlin?" Excited nod. "Yes!" "Was an Ancient?" Excited nod. "Yes!" He had excitement and wonder, and than of course he went into lecture mode. So, for me, he seemed like Daniel of old, which is how I like him. Except for the beard.

Teal'c didn't talk as much as last season, but more than earlier seasons I thought. And he had some nice reaction shots. I loved him keeping vigil in the infirmary. Plus his look when Daniel threw the pillow. I also thought his reaction to Mitchell was good. Mitchell was trying so hard to get him to say he was excited to be back, and he wouldn't humor him. And, "Are you still having fun, Colonel Mitchell?"

I understand why they did it, and I don't have a problem with the fact of it, but I hate hearing the name "Jackson" in reference to Daniel. Daniel is such a lovely name. I want to hear that as much as possible.

zuz
July 16th, 2005, 06:02 PM
Think I might try a summary:

Cameron is standing at the stargate, touching it like Picard touched the Phoenix in First Contact. A couple of SG people (inc Harriman) talk about him and name etc

*Flashback*
Antarctica - Giant spaceship fight. Dogfighting (rather unrealistically IMO) protecting SG1 in the cargo ship. Cameron Sounds more like a commercial 747 pilot talking, also their "radar" is pretty suss. But none-the-less it's a REALLY good battlescene, their F302 takes a hit, smoking engine, a wingman comes in to help him, then promptly gets blown away.

Back in gate room a few quick words and then the Intro. Not impressed with very brief intro. Perhaps they did not have a proper "character" intro ready. Seemed more like a Atlantis space born gate as well.

Shot of mountain entrance.

Inside General's Office.

*Flashback*
Assumably prometheus flight deck. Cameron talking to flight crews (probably as a squadron leader rather than total commander).

Back in General's room.
Cameron is impatiant. Walter O'Reilly has a comical moment. Everyone's good at their job according to the Gen, he likes yelling at people. Cameron makes a joke about himself. Gets given stack of personele files. Has to pick his team.
Cameron "is here to join SG-1", but Gen says Cameron is "there to lead".

Carter = R and D at Area 51.
Daniel = Leaving
Teal'c = Gone for a month.

Jack never used desk drawers. Cameron tries to explain he wanted to work with the "old" SG-1.

Daniels Room.
Cameron and Daniel meet. Make some small talk, Cameron wants Daniel to stay, Daniels is going to Atlantis. Cameron chose SG-1, which means the "old" crew not just the SG-1 unit name.

*Flashback*
Antarctica - Has a enemy on his six, yet somehow manages to help carter by taking out an alkesh, for some reason the Glider on his butt is gone.

Daniels Room
Daniel gives him his apartment key.

Temple at Dkarra (sp?)
Teal'c offers to give Cameron some names of good warriors, talks about his government plans, Teal'c is talking about problems. So Cameron does'nt even get to ask Teal'c to join before he leaves. Cameron gets a little "whacky" and mentions "he's on a mission from god" :D and tries to get directions to the stargate.

Cut shot of mountain.

It's SAM!!!!
Blah Blah Hyperdrive, Blah Blah Uplink, Cameron flat out asks for Sam to come back, joke about Dr Lee, tries to "sweet talk" Sam into coming back. Shows that "Self Depreciating" streak shown earlier. Sam has to leave. I suprised he did'nt ask Walter to join SG-1.

*Flashback*
Get's owned by a death glider, co-pilot dead, eject fails (dodgy parts), crashes.

Jack's house. Which is now (I think) the new General's house, Jack did'nt tell Cameron that Sg-1 was broken up. Some various quotes, and a chess game. Jack Wins.

Audition Montage.
A librarian type linguist (I've seen her somewhere before).
People call him dave. Which is his name.
Techno Geek.
Guy who likes pushups.
Crazy android scientist's (why they would be applying for SG-1 I don't know). Their thing sounds cool.

*Flashback*
Crashed in the snow, radio saying death of enemy fleet.
Very quick flashbacks.
Nurse.
Emergency.
Getting told co-pilot is dead.
Mother?
Docter, walking chances are slim.
Daniel giving praise.
Getting Congressional Medal Of Honour (I have a real problem with that.)
Jack tells him he can do anything he wants. Within Reason.

Gateroom.
DAMN. Vala. "Nice Outfit". She asks for Daniel straight away. She has brought a tablet of ancient treasure. Joke re pregnancy. Tablet is code. Vala knows the code. Danial is needed to "understand" the tablet. Joke about gene pool. Nice comedic touch with Daniel and Cameron. Vala bought tablet from Goauld.
Goauld bracelets, from the Sky Goddess. Daniel gets strapped into one. Vala gets the other one.

Braclets link the 2 people togther.

Mountain Shot.

Dr's Lab.
Can't cut through the bracelet, Dr thinks about cutting the hand, no chance. They don't know how it works, it has faint energy readings.

Daniel Faints.

Security room.
Vala and General, General talks about daughter a bit. A torture joke or 2. Camera is panning around. General gets through little speech.

Vala Faints.

Medical Room.

Teal'c is back. "Daniel Jackson" he says. Daniel seems fine. It's the bracelet. Kormac is what they are, used for prisoner transfer, if the 2 people get far from each other, they both die. Vala interjects. Vala stole it from someone who did'nt tell her about that. Danial gets a little angry and chucks a pillow.

Vala will remove the bracelet (if she can), after she gets the treasure. The Daedulus left 2 hours before he woke up. Cameron suggets getting the treasure, or Danial marrying the "chick". Vala is happy.

Daniel's artifact room. Teal'c does not need to return. Cameron and him have an pretty one sided exchange. Daniel figures out the "secret", and after a fashion reveals that the Ancient Treasure was hidding my Merlin, the Arthurian legend.

Cut to Briefing room. Long winded explation from Daniel about Arthur's times and myths. Blah Blah Blah, Ancients probably hid everything with their Tech.

Cameron is happy, but then Sam can't come. Cameron is less happy.

Space. The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Prometheus.
Daniel would be staying onboard, but then they realise the radio won't work, and then Vala reasons (after flirting a bit with Daniel) and some tech talk, that the rings will get them inside.

Beam Down with rings.
Empty Cavern. Joke about having sex. Oh look, it's the sword in the stone. Daniel get's all geeky and corrects Cameron about the sword itself not being Excalibur. Cameron can't pull it out.

Merlin hologram comes up "Only those with a wealth of knowledge and truth of spirit shall be given access to the underworld. Prove thee worthy and all will be revealed." Vala keeps her eyes on the prize. More flirting\jibing between the 2 kids.

Teal'C wants to explore some tunnels, Cameron goes with him, and the 2 lovebirds go together. Both happen upon rooms that light up with Flares\Fire when they go near, they both enter and get trapped. Radio don't work.

Daniel belives the room is a test. His room is a couple of pots, with some ancient underneath, Cameron's is some sort of number puzzle or word puzzle, too bad they can't read it. Teal'c shoots at the door. Cameron get's a bit of a strange moment, not happy about possible ricochets. Vala opens one of the pots, it's empty. She then tempts fate by exclaiming "How much worse could it get".

Promptly the celing starts to fall down. Teal'c does his iron man thing holding it up. The other pot is empty on Vala's side. Vala and Daniel look slightly concerned to say the least.

"To Be Continued".

Thanks for the summary, (((macktheknife))) You made my day. ;)

psumetguy2008
July 16th, 2005, 06:13 PM
I also loved the interview part.....especially the woman talking in ancient and apparently able to hold her breath for 30 minutes while talking 130 mph... ;)

the fifth man
July 16th, 2005, 06:14 PM
In my opinion, the first episode of season 9 definitely lived up to my expectations. Yeah, it may not have had as much action as in atlantis's premiere, but this is a different situation. Atlantis just picked up where it left off, SG-1 had to start fresh. The team is broken up, Mitchell desperately trying to get them back together. I know the action will pick up, so I can't wait for next week, and the week after....and so on. This should be a sweet season, for all three shows.

ApophisLives
July 16th, 2005, 06:34 PM
I actually laughed quite a bit at Vala's remark about the 1 in 10 chance of the "baby" being Daniel's then her nod and wink towards Mitchell. It's something that only a Farscape fan would get.Uhu. But can you imagine how absolutely senseless this remark seemed to someone who's never watched Farscape? Inside jokes are always problematic when they're not also a little bit funny for an outsider because then the outsider realizes that it was an inside joke and feels left out. Making parts of your audience feel left out is never a good thing.I actually thought the remark was funny, and I haven't seen a second of Farscape. She has this way of making everyone uncomfortable, or keeping everyone on edge. For example, look at the guard's reaction upon escorting Vala through the gate when she says, "We had a lot of fun searching each other, didn't we boys?" Not to mention her incessant jabs at Daniel. It just seemed like she was taking the opportunity to throw one at Mitchell while simultaneously kidding with Daniel. Notice his expression; he was taken totally by surprise.


The Teal'c/Cameron friendship...or lack thereof. I got quite a kick out of the fact that Teal'c doesn't seem to like Cam at all right now. I mean, he appreciates what Cam did in Antarctica...but personality-wise, think OIL and WATER. It'll be interesting to see how Cam wins his friendship.Interesting. I agree with 99.9% of your review, but I got the exact opposite impression here. I thought that while Teal'c obviously doesn't hold Cam in the same esteem that he hold Jack, he seems to acknowledge Mitchell's honor in his usual, wordless way. I think he trusts in Mitchell's abilities, and it will probably only get stronger.

I thought a good sign of their rapport was when Teal'c fired at the door, and as Mitchell is freaking out, he has this grin on his face, which seemed to be saying, "He has no idea what he's in for."


Here's a question for you all who have seen the episode...when Daniel and Vala are in the tunnel and she comments that she's a little afraid of whatever creature might have been left behind to guard the treasure, and Daniel said something like "it would be running from you when it gets to know you," was it just me or did you see kind of a hurt expression on her face? I saw that and it kinda told me that Daniel's judging her by the way she's acting/has treated him...but perhaps that's just a façade and he doesn't really know her at all. She seemed genuinely to have her feelings hurt...which tells me that there might be some more depth to her character and personality than maybe was first thought...I didn't see it as a real expression, more of an "okay, you got me." I think if it was supposed to be serious, it would have been a closer shot.

Avenger
July 16th, 2005, 06:47 PM
I really liked the Farscape references and the humor in the episode was great. The chemistry between Vala and Daniel is hilarious.

acdj31
July 16th, 2005, 06:48 PM
what an odd way to transition bw s8 and s9. From fishing, to being completely disbanded. ... ???
I dunno, I was just expecting more details to be filled in.

Me too!! Like what happened to Jack and Sam.
Also more about Mitchell. I wish they was more backstory about him.

Hopefully TPTB will tell us more in the second part of Avalon.

MartoufMarty
July 16th, 2005, 07:09 PM
I watched this episode on the computer before I went to work.

I love Mitchell lol.

The whole new plot... it's... okay so far. It's been one episode :P

I watched this episode again (and also watched new BSG and SGA - OMG! :P) later with my parents on the tele (don't ask how we got it there :P), and I liked it more.

Vala had me laughing more the second time around.

"Yes! I like that! Let's make babies!" Or when Daniel throws the pillow at her.

I may actually like this new direction.

Oh! I especially love it when Teal'c goes and shoots the wall and Mitchell just jumps around. "Bullets... BOUNCE!"

Teal'c smiled! :P

I actually can't wait until next week :D

But, Scifi channel sucks. The intro sucks. That's what makes me sad :(

Oh! And yes, Daniel needs to SHAVE!

Sue_Jackson
July 16th, 2005, 07:16 PM
The thing about this that annoyed me the most was the credits!!! I can't believe they shortened them that much! We don't even get the Stargate theme anymore! When I first started watching Stargate everytime I heard the theme song it got all excited and I would come running to the tv to watch! They've got to give us the longer credits back!!!



I too am peeved about the no opening theme for both SG1 and Atlantis! :mad: I can't believe SciFi is that cheap that they got to gut the opening themes to SG1 and Atlantis for more ads. Okay, then how come BSG got to keep their opening theme?! Huh? That doesn't seem fair. I love BSG, too. But, how come SciFi didn't make them cut down their opening theme, too? :confused:

eve11
July 16th, 2005, 07:19 PM
I'm guessing every conversation he heard since he found out he was going to Atlantis probably filtered through his head as "Blah, blah, blah Atlantis, blah, Atlantis, blah, blah, Atlantis"

lol!

Hmm.. do I have anything constructive to add? I do, two things:

1) I'm waving my hand at it, but Daniel, you trusting fool, why oh why would you approve of Vala to come through the gate? Sheesh. You so deserve the slap bracelet, for that alone ;)

2) I think that we will discover some depth to Vala's character in the next few episodes. The tell for me wasn't the hallway scene as UberSG-1 suggests, but later when they're locked in the room, the genuine hurt behind her "You don't know anything about me" line. Well, let's say, if TPTB don't flesh out Vala's character they will have missed a great opportunity.

lionel_pendergast_rocks
July 16th, 2005, 07:24 PM
i personally think "LETS MAKE BABIES!" was the best line.

i also agree with avenger, the chemistry is great.

lionel_pendergast_rocks
July 16th, 2005, 07:46 PM
i dont know if anyone else has mentioned this, because i didnt take time to read each and every post on this thread, but i do believe there was a nod to monty python in this episode. when vala and daniel were walking in that cave in england, vala started talking about a monster that the ancients could've left behind to guard the treasure. since this all has to do with king arthur and merlin, the first thing i thought of was the VORPAL BUNNY!!!!! (you know, from the CAVE OF CAERBANNORG!!!!!)

he's got fangs!!!

behind the rabbit!?
it IS the rabbit!!!!!

anyone else think of this?

Jeff O'Connor
July 16th, 2005, 07:49 PM
I did, too, but I'm not quite sure if that was an intentional anything, heh heh. By the way, just a completely random note -- Lionel is my 'nickname' virtually everywhere else on the internet -- MUDs, roleplaying sites, you name it. If it isn't here or Save Farscape or one other place, I'm Lionel.

Then again, that means nothing, because I'm not the true commander of the Pegasus... so ultimately, my making this comment is completely worthless.

Awesome. :D

MartoufMarty
July 16th, 2005, 07:51 PM
I too am peeved about the no opening theme for both SG1 and Atlantis! :mad: I can't believe SciFi is that cheap that they got to gut the opening themes to SG1 and Atlantis for more ads. Okay, then how come BSG got to keep their opening theme?! Huh? That doesn't seem fair. I love BSG, too. But, how come SciFi didn't make them cut down their opening theme, too? :confused:
Actually, from what I saw, they did cut down the BSG theme. Not as much as Atlantis and SG-1, yeah, but it was still cut down.

In Season 1 they had the bit after the main credits there with the fast pace music and the clips from the episode that was on.

They don't have that anymore... I really liked that... :(

GateTraveler
July 16th, 2005, 07:52 PM
I watched this episode again (and also watched new BSG and SGA - OMG! :P) later with my parents on the tele (don't ask how we got it there :P), and I liked it more.



Yes, I must admit, on a 2nd viewing I liked the ep more. On the 1st viewing I found it to be campy w/too much humor. After watching it again, I appreciated it more as an entertaining episode that had a purpose. The primary reason for the ep was to introduce Mitchell and endear him to the audience. This was a very important goal for the future of the series and they succeeded. I believe we will get more plot substance later so I will have patience.

Vala may be an acquired taste. I believe tptb plan more depth for the character in future episodes. I will keep an open mind.

donniepw
July 16th, 2005, 07:53 PM
I for one enjoyed this episode. I dis feel it should have been longer when you consider it is alomst as if they are comming back from a several year lay off as opposed to just over the summer. With so much having had changed I think to do it justice you would need more than just 42 minutes to teel the story and really help to get the seasons legs up under it. I for one think the season will gain momentum as it progresses. Once they can flesh out the characters a little more, Vala really comes to mind as a character that needs more depth. But I think once they explain a few things, like exactly why it is Jack isn't there, so far they haven't given on onscreen reason that fits into the storyline, and once we become better aquainted with the characters, then this could be a fun season.

emihaz5
July 16th, 2005, 08:11 PM
Teal'c Smiled!!! I loved the way he and BB interacted. That made the whole show for me. Teal'c rocked!! he said Indeed once and he smiled. For some reason I was really into him. It was really good much better than I thought it was going to be. I liked it too when BB said "this is what I'm talking about!" I felt the same way come on lets get the SG story started. Vala was distracting but it's fun to watch her needle Danial to death. I love the way she sets him off balance. Is he gonna hit her or kiss her? It would be great to see him go for the bling bling. The down side is RDA Boo hoo.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 16th, 2005, 08:24 PM
As is almost always the case, I enjoyed the whole show. Hank Landry is a wise-cracking, experienced son of a gun who puts me in mind of Jacob. :cool:

Cameron is gonna be okay in my books. I like that there is backstory between him and Sam and quite possibly, Jack as well. Cam was flying a modified death glider so, at the very least, he and Sam (and likely, Jack) developed a friendship during Sam (and Jack's) time coaching the pilots. Maybe as the season progresses we'll see other flashbacks, like one where Cam was present(off-camera) during Sam's attempt at briefing the hot-shot pilots in Fragile Balance.

I liked the backstory parts and the fact that SG-1 took the time to visit the airmen who were injured in the line of duty(and he has a mommy! :) No daddy? :( ), but I thought it was kinda wierd that Cam's medal ceremony was being held while he was in a semi-concious state.... Is that... normal? It was, like, "let's pin a medal on this guy before he croaks," or something. I was half expecting a priest to come in after Sam to give him last rites. :eek:

I liked seeing Teal'c in his new situation and I think he's quite relieved that he can escape the Jaffa politiking for a little adventure, even if it's not with his old buddy, Jack. And I think his grin in the trap room was a "You remind me of someone," type grin.

Great seeing Sam! Totally unexpected. A real treat! Thank you, PTB. :)

Vala was a little more OTT this time, compared to PU, but I do like the chemistry between her and Daniel - now, if Vala could just tone it down a notch or three....

The story was... I'm not really sure how I feel about the actual story line. :S I'll see how it plays out in the weeks ahead.

The ending.... It certainly had enough danger in it, but, I don't know, maybe it was the direction, but I thought it ended abruptly - kinda like the opening credits..... :rolleyes:

All in all, I'm happy with the episode. Kudos, and thank you, PTB, cast and crew. :)

Osiris-RA
July 16th, 2005, 08:30 PM
*ahem*

*shuffles through her unintelligable scrawl on notebook*

Ok! Avalon! We have arrived!! As per what I wrote down whilst watching, the below as you might know, shines some light on my reactions during certain scenes. :D

" Having weeded through all the boring Mitch flashbacks...."

1. Merlin as an ancient. Hold on...

*steps outside for a moment*

BA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*gasp*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

*steps back inside*

2. (during Danny's ramble about The myth of the Knights of the Round table :rolleyes: ) So, when does the Lady Of The Lake surge up from her watery abode and point dramatically in the direction of the legendary Fortress of Solitude where her Ancient Kryptonian brethren have somehow managed to survive in crystals waiting for some oblivous SGC official to stumble upon their buried Chapa'ai and rescue the Ancient to end all Ancients, Kal -El. ? :p

3. NO CARTER!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!! (it dawned on me at this point that our dear Tapping would for the remainder of the show be nowhere to be seen)

4. No way I'll confuse Mitchy and Danny. And please, someone shave The Brawny Man. :rolleyes:

5. (while they were heading to Avalon or whatever...) Wait - they're not taking the Stargate? They're gonna take that away from me too?? What is it now, a freaking LOGO?!?!? The show is called STARGATE because they go to other PLACES via STARGATE! Not PROMETHEUS!! If it was about going places in a stupid SHIP, the show'd be called PROMETHEUS!! AAAGGGHHH!!

6. I HATE VALA!!! (um ... she did something I disapproved of - and BTW, whose idea was it for her to show up blooping out of her outfit? I mean, if she's going for the alien floozy-ish look, can't she just jump into a vat of black paint and strut around? Oy. :rolleyes: :o )

7. Oh my god, the sword's ALL wrong. (what was with that sword? It's - my god - not even Excalibur! Wasn't anyone paying attention in Camelot?!)

8. Wait - shouldn't the buff person *cough* Teal'c *cough* be pulling the sword out? (Well I think it'd make more sense!)

9. *sings* In Cameloooooooooooooooooooooooot. (when they entered the Oh-so-mysterious red fire chamber. OooooooooooO. :rolleyes: )

10. *During Commercial break* I feel a need to say this - I have counted over 15 booze commercials - a whopping 2 in one commercial break. Is this some political subliminal manipulation?? Is SG-1 now pandering to the stay out late and party crowd instead of the crowd that just want's a nice Sci Fi show to watch? What's happening?? What's up with these sponsers?? And by the way, I don't wanna hear about no 'man problems'!! It's only 10 o clock!! The young'un's don't wanna know how the man made his wife so much more happier and pleasant gal by way of a hinky looking blue pill, they wanna see what happens to our intrepid ... uh ... well, the new two and Danny and T! LOSE THE FILTH COMMERCIALS ALREADY!!!!! And Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese stop 'subtly' advertising Bud Light on SG-1. I don't care HOW important beer culture is in Canada, I AM AN ARTIIIST. :p Do I not deserve to be given the least amount of a nod of sophisticration?!? :p Advertise Wine Spritzers for cryin' out loud!

11. Oh, gee, where have I seen this before? (ha ha, this was during the the roof coming down scene. Lets's see, one in Relic Hunter, one in Raiders of the Lost Ark, one in - too many shows. *sigh* where has the variety gone.)

Nice touch with T holding up the ceiling. :p :D

12. SISSY. (Ah, when Mitchy screamed like a schoolboy when T fired at the wall. Lol. )

13. Duex Idiota. (This when Vala lifted up the bowls (oh, that was bright and humourous) and Danny was sitting there looking like a pissed off deer in the headlights - or should that be pissed off deer looking up at landing airplane carrier... ? :S )

15. Let's see ... I wonder what happens when I press this symbol... (This when Mitchy was fooling around with the symbols on that thing. Lol!)

17.:eek: *GASP* :eek: T DOES NOT SAY "FUN"! HE SAYS In a strained, curt tone, "I hope you are being greatly entertained Cameron Mitchell." :eek: HELLO!!!!!!!

And that about wraps it up. Where are the cool days when I was left hanging on to the end of the ep breathlessly awaiting the exciting conclusion? I know what's gonna happen. My predictions:

They shall escape the vile chamber by way of some miraculous code the wither Mitchy or Danny figures out - that or they get beamed out at the last second by the Asgard. Then Mithy will find the sword, yadda yadda, fight the holographic Silver Knight, blah blah, catching on? Good.

Update since yesterday: Okay, well, I've thought about it. I KIND of like the Danny Vala interaction, they might have a Jason/Carly thing going on. (GH fans will understand. :D ;) ) and ... I dunno, maybe....

BUT I WILL NEVER, EVER, TRUST A PSUEDO JACK!!!

:D

Mongo's Girl
July 16th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Mitchell is such a fanboy of SG-1 :p, but I liked it for the fact he'd built them up in his mind and it appears it kept him alive after the crash. And dude...what a crash!


He is a big ole' fanboy ain't he. :)

I'm sure joining the team was his main motivation while going thru the long, and probably quite painful, physical therapy process. He came a long way from possibly not walking again, to full speed ahead. He must have been majorly stoked when he reported to SGC...his dream about to be a reality, only to have his bubble busted. Bummer... :(

I'm glad he's coming off as a reluctant leader, with his own doubts about his abilities. In a way, he's proving to himself, and the audience, that he's worthy. I like that. :)

Teal'c smiled! Always great to see.

Vala's line "You don't know anything about me" tells me there's much more to her than meets the eye. Can't wait to find out more.

I liked Gen Landry's line about finding Mitchell's cryptonite. I wonder what it might be...

L1ssalaun
July 16th, 2005, 08:53 PM
I never really watched Farscape....but the "limited genetic pool" thing seemed to me more like making fun of the fact that Shanks and Browder look alike.

Well, yes, but it's also aimed at Farscape fans who think those two guys look alike and were very excited to see Daniel and Vala together last season

ForeverSg1
July 16th, 2005, 09:09 PM
vala beats out carters humor anyday love her the new team is just hilarious they are just missing RDA's humor

Perhaps true, but seeing as Stargate is a SCIFI show and not a comedy, I think I would prefer to keep Carter around.

It was nice that they managed to deal with the loss of RDA's humorous one-liners and I think CB did a good job overall. But personally I wouldn't want to see an entire season of episodes like this. A few episodes is fine, but after awhile it would really begin to get on my nerves.

mjj1993
July 16th, 2005, 09:11 PM
i think i may have thunked too hard already.... *snicker* didnt take that long, course i just have to get used to the fact, not seein' ben in all those leathers... oh gods... if he would be... hot as hell to watch...

loved the banter between him (mitchell) and vala... good chem. as only ben and claud can do. (silly scaper me... )

c'mon.. i want pt2 already.


I couldn't agree with you more!!! I love Ben Browder, loved the banter, the chemistry as only they have.

Miss Sam and Jack but I can live with Mitchell and Vala.

gwangung
July 16th, 2005, 09:22 PM
I thought the episode was okay; average considering what it had to accomplish, but does everything out of Vala's mouth have to be a smartass remark?

Yes. As other people have figured out, it's a deliberate character ploy on her part. It keeps other people off balance, and even when people figure it out as a ploy, it's deliberately annoying enough that it makes her true purposes hard to figure out.

JanusAncient
July 16th, 2005, 09:24 PM
This episode had a lot of really funny moments.

Mitchell: I was hoping you could tell me something about yourself. Something...personal.
Interviewee: ...people call me Dave.
Mitchell: [Looks at folder] ...says here that's your name.
Interviewee: .......yes.

Vala: I haven't been this disappointed since Daniel and I had sex.
Teal'c: [Looks at Daniel]

Teal'c: [Fires at door]
Mitchell: Woah! Woah! Woah...man! Bullets bounce!
Teal'c: [Grins in amusement]

Vala: Okay, how about this: we open both of them, and whichever one the treasure's in is the right one.

Vala: How much worse can it get?
[Ceiling starts to rumble downwards]
Daniel: How about that much?
Vala: I knew it was a mistake the moment I said it. ...the moment.

Daniel: Well, there are a number of conflicting interpretations, but certain threads point to the Knights of the Round Table. Gathering great treasures from the far corners of Arthur's domain and hiding them in a magical stronghold at Avalon.
Mitchell: Including the Holy Grail.
Daniel: According to some.
Vala: So this Grail...what's that worth?
[Everyone looks at her]
Vala: ...what?

Vala: ...now I could have come by ship and looked for it myself, but I know nothing about your fair planet...other than it seems to have a rather interesting but somewhat limited gene pool.
[Daniel and Mitchell look up at Vala, then at each other, sort of recoil, then look back at Vala.]


I also liked this one...

Vala: Go ahead muscles.
Teal'c looks at her with inquiring mind.
Vala: I'll give you half. :D :D

sg-1fanintn
July 16th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Perhaps true, but seeing as Stargate is a SCIFI show and not a comedy, I think I would prefer to keep Carter around.

It was nice that they managed to deal with the loss of RDA's humorous one-liners and I think CB did a good job overall. But personally I wouldn't want to see an entire season of episodes like this. A few episodes is fine, but after awhile it would really begin to get on my nerves.

Just what I was thinking, ForeverSg1! A few eps like this are fine, but the whole season would be out of character for SG-1. I too am looking forward to Sam's full-time return!

binkpmmc
July 16th, 2005, 09:46 PM
this is what i've dug up so far:

10. What are the guidelines for which the medal could be awarded?
10A. On July 25,1963 Congress established a set of guidelines under which the Medal of Honor could be awarded:
a.) while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States;
b.) while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or,
c.) while serving with friendly forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

11. What was the last action in which the Medal of Honor was awarded?
11A. The last action in which the Medal of Honor was awarded occurred at the Baghdad Airport, Iraq. Sgt. 1st Class Paul R. Smith was posthumously awarded for his actions on April 4, 2003.

3. How many Air Force Congressional Medal of Honor recipients are there?
3A. Since the formation of a separate Air Force in 1947 there have been seventeen recipients. Prior to 1963 members of the Army Air Corps and the Air Force were awarded the Army Medal. In 1963 the Air Force acquired its own MOH design.

http://www.cmohs.org/medal.htm

http://www.medalofhonor.com/MedalOfHonorBreakdown.htm

http://www.medalofhonor.com/Regulations.htm

http://www.medalofhonor.com/RecommendationProcess.htm

The following organizations and individuals play key roles in the Army Medal of Honor recommendation process:
• CHAIN OF COMMAND
Submits award recommendation that meets the two year submission time limit to Department of the Army Personnel Command
• MEMBER OF CONGRESS
Submits award recommendation that is outside the two year limit for submission to Department of the Army Personnel Command or the Secretary of the Army who forwards request to Personnel Command.
• DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY PERSONNEL COMMAND
Army Decoration Board - Merit Review, can disprove based on criteria (Cdr, HRC can overrule)
Senior Army Decorations Board - Recommends approval, disapproval, or downgrade.
• MANPOWER AND RESERVE AFFAIRS
Concurs or nonconcurs with Board recommendation
• CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE ARMY
Concurs or nonconcurs with Board recommendation
• SECRETARY OF THE ARMY
Recommends approval or can disapprove. Also forwards packet to Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff for comment.
• SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
Recommends approval or can disapprove.
• PRESIDENT
Approves or disapproves.



so in one way, sure cam could qualify. course they also said that approval takes around 18 months....which doesn't work in the timeline of the show. also the simple fact that they haven't handed one out since 2003 (there might have been a recent one, i seem to recall a snippit on the news)

they don't just hand them out to folks. also, and i'm not saying this to diss cam, if cam gets one for shooting down two alkash, well then so should many other folks that were in his wing, not to mention jack for sticking his head in the head sucker.

I'm glad he got a medal and all, i just think they might have chosen the wrong one. IMHO the Air Medal would have been far more plausible

Thanks very much for posting this info, Skydiver.

greytop
July 16th, 2005, 11:12 PM
3. How many Air Force Congressional Medal of Honor recipients are there?
3A. Since the formation of a separate Air Force in 1947 there have been seventeen recipients. Prior to 1963 members of the Army Air Corps and the Air Force were awarded the Army Medal. In 1963 the Air Force acquired its own MOH design.I know one of the recipents from the Air Force personally. He was stationed at the local Air Force Base when he recieved it (he went to the same church I did and I babysitted for his family while in high school).

Now back on subject:

It seemed like Teal'c sort of keeps Mitchell at bay for now. He seemed to me to be slowly accepting him. I think that will change in a furture episode.

Ancient 1
July 16th, 2005, 11:39 PM
Beau Bridges was delightful! For me, Beau being part of Stargate was a promising point for Season 9, and I'm glad I wasn't disappointed.
Yes, Bridges managed quite well to hold his own; even the tiem he spent on the screen with RDA. Of course O'neill had to win the chess game, but it was taken in stride by the new General. That might have been the best writing in the entire episode. All the Daniel/Vala dialog sounded so "canned." Nothing but sound bites...:rolleyes:

Agent_Dark
July 17th, 2005, 12:52 AM
this is what i've dug up so far:

10. What are the guidelines for which the medal could be awarded?
10A. On July 25,1963 Congress established a set of guidelines under which the Medal of Honor could be awarded:
a.) while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States;
b.) while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or,
c.) while serving with friendly forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

11. What was the last action in which the Medal of Honor was awarded?
11A. The last action in which the Medal of Honor was awarded occurred at the Baghdad Airport, Iraq. Sgt. 1st Class Paul R. Smith was posthumously awarded for his actions on April 4, 2003.

3. How many Air Force Congressional Medal of Honor recipients are there?
3A. Since the formation of a separate Air Force in 1947 there have been seventeen recipients. Prior to 1963 members of the Army Air Corps and the Air Force were awarded the Army Medal. In 1963 the Air Force acquired its own MOH design.

http://www.cmohs.org/medal.htm

http://www.medalofhonor.com/MedalOfHonorBreakdown.htm

http://www.medalofhonor.com/Regulations.htm

http://www.medalofhonor.com/RecommendationProcess.htm

The following organizations and individuals play key roles in the Army Medal of Honor recommendation process:
• CHAIN OF COMMAND
Submits award recommendation that meets the two year submission time limit to Department of the Army Personnel Command
• MEMBER OF CONGRESS
Submits award recommendation that is outside the two year limit for submission to Department of the Army Personnel Command or the Secretary of the Army who forwards request to Personnel Command.
• DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY PERSONNEL COMMAND
Army Decoration Board - Merit Review, can disprove based on criteria (Cdr, HRC can overrule)
Senior Army Decorations Board - Recommends approval, disapproval, or downgrade.
• MANPOWER AND RESERVE AFFAIRS
Concurs or nonconcurs with Board recommendation
• CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE ARMY
Concurs or nonconcurs with Board recommendation
• SECRETARY OF THE ARMY
Recommends approval or can disapprove. Also forwards packet to Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff for comment.
• SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
Recommends approval or can disapprove.
• PRESIDENT
Approves or disapproves.



so in one way, sure cam could qualify. course they also said that approval takes around 18 months....which doesn't work in the timeline of the show. also the simple fact that they haven't handed one out since 2003 (there might have been a recent one, i seem to recall a snippit on the news)

they don't just hand them out to folks. also, and i'm not saying this to diss cam, if cam gets one for shooting down two alkash, well then so should many other folks that were in his wing, not to mention jack for sticking his head in the head sucker.

I'm glad he got a medal and all, i just think they might have chosen the wrong one. IMHO the Air Medal would have been far more plausible

Yep I defiantely agree there.
Also take a look at all the people the MoH submission needs to go thru (read Members of Congress). Don't you think they would get a little suspicious that this guy is getting a MoH for action in Antartica??? What kind of cover story could they use? It doesn't add up to me. But oh well.

Wyrminarrd
July 17th, 2005, 01:31 AM
Good episode and a promising start to the new season. I liked Beau as the new base commander and I´m sure he will prove a good replacement for Jack.

Having Ben Browder in the show was also great but then I´m a huge Farscape fan :)

Caro
July 17th, 2005, 01:32 AM
I just saw Avalon, and I loved it !!!! I wasn't expecting too much from the episode, but... wow !

Cameron Mitchell is a very promising character, I loved the way he tried to reunite the team, and he and Daniel have a great chemistry.
He definitly reminded me of O'neill. Same gesture, same lame jokes... I hope the writers won't make Cameron a "Jack clone", he needs to have his own personnality, different from Jack.
Loved Landry too, he seems to be a good person, and a good leader.
Vala was making me laughing out loud every time she spoke ("let's make babies !" and the "limited gene-pool" line)... the only thing I don't like about her is her outfit... iurk... Stargate doesn't need to be sexed-up like that :(

It was very good to see our dear Sam as I was expecting not to see her at all :D I can't wait to see her and Cam working together.
In fact, I'm looking forward to seeing the first episode where all the team will be reunited and working together :D

shw77
July 17th, 2005, 02:45 AM
Thank you everyone who responsed with what they thought was the funniest line, i agree this episode was very funny, i cant wait for the next episode to find another funny line

greytop
July 17th, 2005, 03:24 AM
Seeing Sam there and talking to Mitchell. I was just wondering if they were friend at the Academy together. By the way they sounded talking to each, they have been friends a long time.

Unamed
July 17th, 2005, 05:13 AM
After seening this ep I have lost all doubt, Mitchell feckin rocks!!! I though I wasnt going to be able to bare gs1 with a new charachter but he is great, fits in perfectly imo, job well done :)

White Knight
July 17th, 2005, 05:38 AM
On the topic of "why is Mitchell getting the Congressional medal...thing" (there are way too many posts to quote them all), perhaps Carter and the others were simply there to inform him that the Prez is going to give him the medal once he's feeling better.

As for the episode...fan-friggin'-tastic! Daniel and Teal'c were as entertaining as ever. Mitchell is the perfect blend of child-like enthusiasm and stoic militarism. Vala was a hoot. Landry reminded me of Hammond in the first few episodes of Season 1 - in a good way - in that he is both the stern military leader and the boss who looks out for his people. Seeing O'Neill was good, althouth too brief and without enough explanation to his departure from the SGC. Seeing Carter outside of flashback was good, mainly 'cause I didn't expect it. Seeing Walter was good, 'cause...he's Walter. The whole 'Merlin as an Ancient' was done better than I expected (It's good to see them referencing stuff from SGA), and for me, who's ben glancing at the spoilers, the team finding Avalon in the most obvious place - where a tablet in Latin says "Avalon is here" - was a nice little twist. All in all, a brilliant episode - and still with parts two and three on the way! (Yipee!)

Wass
July 17th, 2005, 06:30 AM
Seeing Sam there and talking to Mitchell. I was just wondering if they were friend at the Academy together. By the way they sounded talking to each, they have been friends a long time.
Well JM said we will learn more about Mitchell's background throughout the season. It was not bad I would give it 5 out of 10 hopefully it should improve not the best season premier but still pretty good.

rnwhocares
July 17th, 2005, 06:54 AM
I totally agree with you. I just hope when Vala said to Mitchell, " try playing hard to get" that we won't be seeing a Mitchell/Carter ship.--I couldn't stand that. I say give some of the ship to the boys!! As for hardly seeing Carter in the episode-thats fine by me, I think the cast is great the way they are!! I don't understand why daniel is taking Vala's s*** though. I mean come on "ladies first" and he GOES first-whats up with that!!

rnwhocares
July 17th, 2005, 07:05 AM
Oh and another thing, when BB and MS first introduced themselves, Mitchell said "my friends call me Cameron" and MS said "Daniel". Since Mitchell is calling MS -Jackson, are the not going to be friends then. I really liked the friendship between Jack and daniel that is something I'm going to MISS!!!

rnwhocares
July 17th, 2005, 07:10 AM
Thoughts:


-Wasn't that impressed with Cam so far. He just seemed awkward (perhaps intentionally?) and his flashbacks seemed out of place for some reason. I'm also neutral with Landry; he's no Hammond but maybe he'll fit into his niche later.

-Surprisingly, I actually liked Vala when she was serious and smart in this ep. Her cutesy sex humor throughout the ep and her childish impatience with Daniel in the tomb were absolutely grating though. Hopefully the later eps will have less of that and be better. And her outfit looked...uncomfortable at best.

-Disliked Daniel's beard (and TPTB couldn't have just used his glasses to tell those two apart??). I felt bad for him when he couldn't go to Atlantis. Worse, it was all Vala's fault and she didn't seem the least bit sorry. Their relationship looks more parent/child so far, and I'll be extremely worried if TPTB start making it into a ship.

-It didn't seem like much happened in this ep. Most of it was Cam flashbacks and him getting the team back together, coupled with this Merlin/sword in the stone arc that makes me a bit wary...

-Teal'c didn't do much, but I did appreciate his smirk at Cam after firing the bullets. :D

-Why on earth did Sam go to R&D instead of lead SG1??
Because sam and jack broke up?

rnwhocares
July 17th, 2005, 07:12 AM
Good episode... a little slow to start off, but I am sure that wasn't helped by the complete lack of opening credits...

The only thing I didn't like is that they spent too much time making sure that we, as fans, knew that the characters of SG-1 accepted Mitchell and thought of him as a righteous dude... perhaps thinking that fans would accept Mitchell if we knew that Carter and Daniel and Teal'c and O'Neill accepted him and thought he was a hero. I personally didn't need that connection so much, although it saves the whole "Jonas must prove himself worthy!!!" problem from the beginning of season 6... or does it?...

Despite their apparently positive view of Mitchell, Daniel and especially Teal'c don't seem to thrilled with the guy... so maybe there is some Jonas action going on anyways.

Regardless, BESIDES this problem, it was a good ep. Slow... but that is to be expected. I also expect things to really pick up next week. The feel of the show is so different now, but that is not really a bad thing.

[Also, the three Farscape jokes... not sure if I liked 'em or disliked 'em. I think at least one was the actors ad-libbing.]
Ok, what were the farscape jokes?

macktheknife
July 17th, 2005, 07:15 AM
I've read that they were:

1) I've never seen you before. Vala to Mitchel.
2) Vala Winks at Mitchell about the baby (I think their FS characters had a baby together).

I can't for the life of me remeber what the 3rd one was.

KatG
July 17th, 2005, 07:32 AM
It's also a kind of invitation to take a look at this other show... :)

But if you don't know what the joke is about or where it's from to start with, it's not much of an invitation is it?

KatG
July 17th, 2005, 07:48 AM
That is exactly it!!!!!!!!! It's a tv show -- lean back and enjoy! Sometimes I hate coming onto forums because people are going to blast it for not doing this or that. One question -- was it fun/exciting and/or heart pounding to watch. Did you spend an enjoyable hour watching? If yes, then it did it's job. Don't over analyze -- just watch and enjoy. If you hated watching, then stop - if you can't get over not having RDA on or somesuch -- then stop. I frankly couldn't watch Jonas, it bothered me and was no longer fun - so I stopped watching. It seemed crazy to me to sit there and complain yet continue watching every week. It's tv and that means it should entertain you in some way. I thought it was a good ep -- the time raced by -- I chuckled at times and I came away satisfied. I fully expect to have weeks where the writing is off and it's not as good -- show me a tv show that consistently delivered week after week, year after year. So for those off weeks, you shrug and go - there's always next week.

People keep watching because they hope that somehow the magic that they first noticed will be recaptured once again. And when it's not they're dissapointed and they want to express their disappointment. Last I checked this wasn't the "I love Stargate, it can do no wrong" forum. It was a discussion forum, for people to express their opinion good or bad as to how they feel about a certain episode or the way the show is going.

You say don't watch the show if you don't like it, I say, don't read the negative opinions if you don't like them. It's easy to do. People usually say right at the beginning of a post that they either loved it, hated it, or felt neutral about it. Just hit that down arrow key and skip the ones that said they hated it. Even the ones who feel neutral if that bothers you.

I know that I personally skimmed the ones that start out with "Awesome", "Fantastic Episode", "I loved it" etc., simply because I'm not in the mood to read a gush fest about an episode that I felt neutral about. Doesn't mean that I don't think that those who "loved it" shouldn't express their opinion and gush with others who also "loved it".

Jace021903
July 17th, 2005, 08:03 AM
When I watched this for the second time, I kind of got a "Children of the Gods" vibe. It is definately a transitional episode from the SG-1 of the past 8 years to the SG-1 of the next however many years. Old faces are still around, but new faces need to be introduced.

This has probably been mentioned before but I missed it the first time around. Carter was on the Dadelaus working on the hyperdrive and the some Asgard uplink thing. That's why she was called to the bridge and Cam said he'd buy her breakfast when she was back on solid ground. And why she was so busy since the ship was getting ready to leave.

Now it makes sense. :D

I liked the episode even better the second time around.

Favorite line of the night: SG-Me.

Jace

MartoufMarty
July 17th, 2005, 08:39 AM
Favorite line of the night: SG-Me.

Jace
Hehehehe.

When I told my sister that quote she said: "It gives a whole new meaning to 'SG-1'."

Dani347
July 17th, 2005, 08:45 AM
Last I checked this wasn't the "I love Stargate, it can do no wrong" forum. It was a discussion forum, for people to express their opinion good or bad as to how they feel about a certain episode or the way the show is going.


Emphasis mine, and A-the heck freaking-men! I'm always amazed that this "don't post anything bad" argument continuously pops up. I liked the episode. I liked it a lot, and have watched it 5 times at least. But, people who didn't like it have every right to post that they didn't, and heck, to post [I]why[I] they didn't.



rnwhocares: Oh and another thing, when BB and MS first introduced themselves, Mitchell said "my friends call me Cameron" and MS said "Daniel". Since Mitchell is calling MS -Jackson, are the not going to be friends then. I really liked the friendship between Jack and daniel that is something I'm going to MISS!!!

Well, I hate hearing "Jackson" in reference to Daniel. But, I don't get any indication that Mitchell said it to imply that he didn't want to be friends. He seemed to really respect Daniel, and like him as much as you can like someone after a brief aquaintance. Maybe he also doesn't feel right calling someone by their first name after a brief aquaintance, even if he did ask Daniel to call him Cameron. And, the very fact that he did says he wants to be friends, even if he does use the hated (to me) "Jackson"

Or, they could just be trying to establish that Mitchell's relationships with each member of SG-1 are not going to be cookie cutter forms of Jack's.

the daedalus project
July 17th, 2005, 09:15 AM
the biggest farscape related incident was one where vala first comes through the gate and says to cam that she cant have met him before, she'd surely recognise him, the look they give each other is priceless

AGateFan
July 17th, 2005, 09:38 AM
Well, I hate hearing "Jackson" in reference to Daniel. But, I don't get any indication that Mitchell said it to imply that he didn't want to be friends. He seemed to really respect Daniel, and like him as much as you can like someone after a brief aquaintance. Maybe he also doesn't feel right calling someone by their first name after a brief aquaintance, even if he did ask Daniel to call him Cameron. And, the very fact that he did says he wants to be friends, even if he does use the hated (to me) "Jackson"

Or, they could just be trying to establish that Mitchell's relationships with each member of SG-1 are not going to be cookie cutter forms of Jack's.

Also Cam is in the Military and some habits are hard to break. I still call everyone Sir and\or Ma'am which sometimes annoys people.

A little Cam military thing that I thought was funny was when Landry stood up to get in Daneils face at the breifing, Cam stood up to attention and Landry had to wave him off. Kind of like when Carter came to attention the first time GENERAL Oneil walked into the room ("I will say this once Carter, At Ease"). Never underestimated the power of Military indoctrination.

Skydiver
July 17th, 2005, 09:57 AM
it's very possible that cam will use first names off duty and last names on duty

keshou
July 17th, 2005, 10:26 AM
I actually laughed quite a bit at Vala's remark about the 1 in 10 chance of the "baby" being Daniel's then her nod and wink towards Mitchell. It's something that only a Farscape fan would get.
Uhu. But can you imagine how absolutely senseless this remark seemed to someone who's never watched Farscape? Inside jokes are always problematic when they're not also a little bit funny for an outsider because then the outsider realizes that it was an inside joke and feels left out. Making parts of your audience feel left out is never a good thing.
I feel like the worst Farscape fan ever. :rolleyes: I didn't even get this reference to Farscape. I just thought it was Vala enhancing her "I've got a guy in every port" image. And it worked for me in that context. But NOW I get it. Yay me. :)

I don't mind little nods and winks to Farscape as long as the scene still works without understanding the reference. As above, I didn't pick up the Farscape stuff but just went straight to Vala's nympho image. So I didn't feel left out at all.

I did think that the hammy (but slightly amusing) "WHOA......WHOA ....bullets bounce" scene seemed like a homage to Crichton and D'Argo. Ben seemed to be channeling Crichton in that scene. But I'm not sure non-Farscape fans would think it was out of place. Except that the characterization seemed uneven.

I feel like Mitchell is really a work in progress and that Ben is feeling his way with this character. Probably experimenting with a few different things. Makes me wonder how well this character's backstory and personality has been set down in the character "bible" by RCC. Maybe they're just seeing what works (personality-wise) as they go.

As far as the medal thing goes. Yeah, it seems a little much that Mitchell received the Congressional Medal of Honor. Especially now that I've seen all the info Skydiver posted. But frankly that just went over my head in first viewing as one of those "establish this guy as a true hero" scenes.

I think medal ceremonies are usually difficult for TV and movies to pull off without them being inevitably schmaltzy. I've never particularly enjoyed them on Stargate - whoever the recipient is. I always cringe when I hear fans calling for more medals for their favorite characters. I'm like "please, no, not another medal ceremony". LOL! But maybe I'm alone in that. :p :D Maybe that's why I just passed over that whole scene with Mitchell getting the medal. :rolleyes:

Hatusu
July 17th, 2005, 10:34 AM
Hmmmm....

Cameron - Gaelic, meaning "Bent nose"
Mitchell - Hebrew, meaning "Who is like God?"

Ooh, I see a good line coming out of this:

"I am Oba, beloved of nature. And you?"

"Cameron, uh... crooked of nose." :p Then, the locals all peer at his nose.
"Uh, not me! It was from one of my ancestors!"

Taonas
July 17th, 2005, 10:37 AM
I really liked this episode, great start for the new season... It feels like a spin-off inside the show, which is cool.

I must say that it starts off kinda slow (plot wise), but we all remember "Reckoning" right? :P

Hatusu
July 17th, 2005, 11:21 AM
That's how I feel, too. The show has changed so drastically, it feels like a spin-off. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just kind of sad, like graduating from high school. I'll miss the friends I won't see in college.

Dani347
July 17th, 2005, 11:36 AM
I Except that the characterization seemed uneven.


I didn't think it was so uneven. I think no matter what type of character a person has, they probably would react in a similar fashion to a totally unexpected rain of bullets in a closed in space.


AGateFan: A little Cam military thing that I thought was funny was when Landry stood up to get in Daneils face at the breifing, Cam stood up to attention and Landry had to wave him off.

I noticed that, too. Landry seemed to be thinking, "I don't have time for protocol, I have to strangle Dr. Jackson :D

GateTraveler
July 17th, 2005, 12:14 PM
When I watched this for the second time, I kind of got a "Children of the Gods" vibe.


My problem was that I didn't and I should have. This was the ep where they were beginning to set up the "new mythology" yet it was full of in-jokes and sexual inuendo. COTG was very sparing with the humor and the ep was better for it. It set up the egyption mythology with a very serious tone. You felt that the Goa'ulds were very menacing and a definite threat. Avalon's Merlin story came off as a bit hokey because of all the humor surrounding it. Hopefully when the Ori show up, they will not surround their appearance with a bunch of jokes.

Don't get me wrong, I like the humor of SG1. That is what sets it apart from other Sci-fi shows (namely the inferior Trek series). Usually the writers strike a good balance. This one was primarily a comedy ep while simultaneously trying to handle several serious subjects. It didn't work very well IMO but I have high hopes for the season none-the-less.

Dana_Jeanne
July 17th, 2005, 01:27 PM
On the whole I liked the episode a lot. It came very close to being OTT for me on the comedy bit with Vala, but stayed sane enough that I enjoyed the interaction between her and Daniel.

What's with "Jackson"? The man has two doctorates and three masters; he's DOCTOR Jackson. Show som respect.

When did Daniel's house turn into an apartment.

Didn't like the way Carter kept popping up in flashbacks, it was jarring. And what was she doing presenting Mitchell with his medal? That should have been his CO.

SO GLAD THE BEARD ISN'T PERMANENT!

Can do without the in jokes, although I thought Daniel and Mitchell's reaction to the gene pool comment was great.

So, was RDA really sitting with Bridges during his scene? Sounded more like one of his phoned-in performances.

Like Landry a lot. Totally a by-the-book general, I liked the way he SHOWED that he wanted Daniel to get to the point during the briefing. So THAT'S why Daniel talks so fast.

It was great to see Daniel doing the mythology thing and getting excited again. It was even nicer to see that Mitchell was actually interested.

I was very happy to see Teal'c doing something that wasn't related to the, what I find to be very boring, Jaffa story line and instead was part of the team. He had lines! However... the INDEED has gotten very old, can we please stop with that?

How did Mitchell know he was supposed to do something with the symbels on the table?

I was surprised when the episode was over and wanted it to be next week right then. It's been a long time since I've felt that way about the show.

Dana Jeanne

LoveYouBaby
July 17th, 2005, 02:14 PM
Like some people had said earlier, this episode begun quite slowly.

The new opening sequence sucks, wrong wormhole tunnel and the new theme tunes of both SG-1 and Atlantis were practically the same.

I like how Claudia Black would always glance at Ben Browder. Beau Browder is awesome, his character General Hank Landry is so cool. Chris Judge doesn't look too bad as that of his photo and well it's also nice to see the Prometheus again after seeing its sister, Daedalus.

Lt. Col. Mitchell is always so enthusiastic and Vala is so funny, the winking at Mitchell at the Conference Room, the "limited Gene Pool" comment, and by the sword talking to Teal'c,

"Give it ago muscles and I'll give you half"

Another hilarious scene was when Daniel was so angry, whilst getting the bracelet cut, and also when Teal'c start firing at the enclosed doorway with his P-90 and Lt. Col. Mitchell, start dancing around -

"WOO WOO WOO, bullets bounce!" *drawing a Z-shape in the air"

ROFL :D

GO Glastonbury! I can't wait to see the conclusion of this episode, slow at start but really got going towards the end.

Dani347
July 17th, 2005, 03:07 PM
SO GLAD THE BEARD ISN'T PERMANENT!

Sing it!





It was great to see Daniel doing the mythology thing and getting excited again.

That made the episode for me.




How did Mitchell know he was supposed to do something with the symbels on the table?

I think once you get the idea that it's a puzzle, the rest isn't hard to follow. And, since it didn't get them out, we don't really know that he was supposed to do anything with them ;)

DarkQuee1
July 17th, 2005, 03:32 PM
I'm afraid I had problems with this ep, not the least being Marty Sue Mitchell, beloved of all, hero to the world, respected by SG-1 who visit him in the hospital where he gets promised a place on the team--but who has never been even mentioned by anyone in eight years, including the last year when they were visiting him and promising him etc (You know: "Can't wait until Marty joins the team." And so forth).

And I had a major problem with his getting the Medal of Honor, if neither of the military members of SG-1 have deserved it in eight years of saving the world (and SG-1 still did more to save the Earth in TLC than Mitchell. Including Jack's deliberately doing the download knowing that it would kill him if left unchecked.). It's obvious that this is meant to please the Farscape fans (because it has ticked off some Stargate fans I've talked to): Crichton was a fish out of water for about 8 eps. Then the entire Farscape universe turned around him.

At this point, Mitchell is still sounding too much like Crichton and/or Jack. (Just write many of his lines down, and see if you can't picture Jack saying them.)

Vala remains a disaster, IMO. Hated her in PU and she hasn't improved any (and not being male, her costume represents a step back for Stargate as far as I'm concerned.) She represents Farscape at its lowest common denominator. The high school brand of humor and sexual innuendos that 16-year olds think are so clever. (Farscape could be witty and clever; it could also be crude and juvenile)

The rest of the story went for silly over solid, with nothing really new or groundbreaking. I'd like to say it has nowhere to go but up, but I've learned over the years of being a TV viewer that series can *always* find a way to go down! <<g>>

J.

briguy213
July 17th, 2005, 03:39 PM
I think avalon part one stood up to those anti niners.

Mio
July 17th, 2005, 03:51 PM
Oh man. I can't believe I forgot.

We all have to remember to keep this in the back of our heads as they continue on the King Arthur mythology:


We're Knights of the Round Table,
We dance when ere we're able,
We do routines and chorus scenes
With footwork impeccable.
We dine well here in Camelot,
We eat ham and jam and spam a lot.
We're Knights of the Round Table,
Our show are formidable,
But many times, we're given rhymes
That are quite unsingable.
We're Opera mad in Camelot,
We sing from the diaphragm
a looooooot.
In war we're tough and able,
Quite indefatigable,
Between our quests we sequin vests,
And impersonate Clark Gable.
It's a busy life in Camelot,
I have to push the pram a lot.

Jace021903
July 17th, 2005, 03:51 PM
I was surprised when the episode was over and wanted it to be next week right then. It's been a long time since I've felt that way about the show.

Dana Jeanne

It's been a long time for me too.

In fact, I haven't wanted to rewatch an episode immediately afterward for a long time either. I've watched Avalon three times already. :)

I wonder if Daniel's old neighbors voted him out of the neighborhood after the Osiris incident? ;)

majorsal
July 17th, 2005, 05:16 PM
Loved Landry too, he seems to be a good person, and a good leader.
Vala was making me laughing out loud every time she spoke ("let's make babies !" and the "limited gene-pool" line)... the only thing I don't like about her is her outfit... iurk... Stargate doesn't need to be sexed-up like that :(




speaking of vala...

i'd said in my first post here that i'd not watched any of vala's stuff (just fast forwarded through it from the moment she appeared on screen). well, after reading so many differing opinions, i decided i needed to 'really' judge her on my own in this ep. and you know what? she wasn't that bad. i was expecting the same stuff from prometheus unbound, where she was using her sex 'physically' - kick/kiss daniel. i really didn't like that stuff in the ep, so i was afraid it was going to happen again. i was also expecting literally every word out of her mouth to be sexual innuendo. so when i saw her, i was pleasantly surprised that she actually said a whole sentence without sexual intent. i still don't like the outfit, but i'm still happy she was more than sex kitten of 9.

believe it or not, there 'was' a compliment in there. :p


sally :D

the fifth man
July 17th, 2005, 05:23 PM
Gotta agree with you totally briguy213. Can't wait for part 2.

Jonzey
July 17th, 2005, 05:26 PM
The only one of Vala's lines I felt was too much was the one right after they ring down into the caves. The ''I've not been this disappointed since....'' line. Everything else she said was to make people around her uncomfortable and on-edge but I felt that line was OTT. The rest of the ep was great though.

Oh, Vala! What won't you say?!

majorsal
July 17th, 2005, 05:44 PM
The only one of Vala's lines I felt was too much was the one right after they ring down into the caves. The ''I've not been this disappointed since....'' line. Everything else she said was to make people around her uncomfortable and on-edge but I felt that line was OTT. The rest of the ep was great though.

Oh, Vala! What won't you say?!

hmm, i don't remember that line... okay, so maybe i fast forwarded through some of her scenes anyways (i couldn't help it. :p).

sally :D

Odens återkomst
July 17th, 2005, 05:50 PM
What did I think of Avalon part 1?
Very disapointing. I know they had to build up Ben's character, but it was so plain. Nothing happened. I hope part 2 makes up for this, with some seriously good story and action. I also have hated the Vala character. I don't like the whole criminal side-kick thing at all. Do a remake of her character or ditch her. I missed Carter in her normal place, but I know that wasn't Amanda's fault. She really helps make the series. And I just hope a season without RDA at the "helm" will be comparable to the previous seasons.

In short, I was disappointed, but I am still holding on to hope that it will get better.

Mongo's Girl
July 17th, 2005, 05:52 PM
The only one of Vala's lines I felt was too much was the one right after they ring down into the caves. The ''I've not been this disappointed since....'' line. Everything else she said was to make people around her uncomfortable and on-edge but I felt that line was OTT. The rest of the ep was great though.


I felt the same way about that line Jonzey, but the look Teal'c gives Daniel after hearing it, made it worthwhile. :)

gwangung
July 17th, 2005, 06:16 PM
Hm. I've never seen an episode of FARSCAPE, so the in-jokes weren't that noticeable to me...

The only one that stuck out was the "we haven't met" joke, and only because the press and fans have made so much noise about Browder moving from FARSCAPE to SG-1; you could hardly miss it metatexturally speaking because of the surrounding publicity.

GoldenSG-1
July 17th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Thank Goodness Mitchell has some sort of family member in that flashback we saw! After Jack and probably Sheppard its nice to know one of our lead characters has family. I was getting tired of Stargates lead character being loners with no family at all

not excluding Carter and Teal'c

CuJoX
July 17th, 2005, 06:46 PM
I loved the episode. Mitchell had his few bright spots, the part where he's alone in Dakara kinda cracked me up. Vala....what can I say about Vala...she was hilarious. Lets make babies! Teal'c's hair ain't bad on camera. Really liked the flashbacks, don't know how Mitchell could've survived that crash, but he did!

Nathan
July 17th, 2005, 06:49 PM
I'll give my review when it's shown here next year some time :(

QuiGonJohn
July 17th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Good start to the season. I think they will be able to maintain the atmosphere of SG-1. But, I also think it was most like "the old SG-1" during the scenes with Daniel doing a lot of the talking. I think the chemistry will be even better when Carter comes back.

kashi
July 17th, 2005, 08:16 PM
I have to say that this was in my opinion one of the worst episodes ever. Trapped in a dungeon with a collapsing ceiling...the knights of the round table...I mean seriously. What a load of utter crap! If this is a sign of things to come, then I hope the show gets axed sooner rather than later. I'll be eagerly awaiting the next episode of Atlantis.

Uber
July 17th, 2005, 08:51 PM
Did anyone else catch the quick mention of Major Davis?

When Cam was talking with Teal'c about the Jaffa government being formed, he says: "I understand Major Davis and SG-7 are trying to help out."

Could this be a sign that we might see Major Davis this year???

I sure hope so...although I must say I'm a bit disappointed he hasn't been promoted to Lt. Colonel yet...

:cool: