1969 (221)

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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 221</FONT>
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A cosmic accident causes SG-1 to be sent back 30 years into Earth's past, where they must locate the Stargate and find a way home.

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[David85]

I love this episode. Hippies are the best. :)

[aAnubiSs]

It's a cool episode. But I don't like time travel.

[Major Clanger]

It's an interesting spin on time travel though. And the casting for young Hammond was excellent

[Lugal]

It's an interesting spin on time travel though. And the casting for young Hammond was excellent

I agree about Lt. Hammond. All my friends wonder if Don Davis did a voiceover for it. (I don't think he did)

[elhSG1]

I agree with everyone else about the Lt. Hammond - great job by the casting crew (actually they do a great job all the time!).

[stax2001]

Must say, nice surprise...

[SGSlugger]

I enjoy time travel stuff, and this was very good. Especially the part at the end when Hammond tells O'neill how much he owes him with interest. :D

[angsty_otaku]

it was a great episode...it had some memoriable scenes...
some guard:*in russian* are you russian spies
daniel: niete
jack: daniel!
daniel: he just asked us if we were russian spies..and i said no...
jack gives this look
daniel: oh...
heh heh and the teal'c michael scenes...oh man. though we should find out what happens to jenny and michael...

[-Major Woody]

This episode is cool because it takes place in the very week in which I was born. :cool:

[Jeff O'Connor]

This was a very cool episode. Great characterization and an intriguing story concept too.

[Neon Rider]

I loved this episode it's one of my favorites besides Urgo, I loved how they went back in time. I'm just glad that they don't go back in time as much as Star Trek series does! :S A cute and funny episode and I probably seen it three our so times.

[SeaBee]

Loved the clothes. I was born in the sixties, so I missed the best part of it. And Teal'c as Jimmi Hendricks! LOL lots! :D

[Klems]

I just hope for the last episode of SG-1, they make it so Sam tells Cassandra what happened in 1969, and what she must do. That will complete the episode.

[greytop]

And Teal'c as Jimmi Hendricks! :D
Teal'c reminded me of Clacence Williams III of the show the MOD Squad.

[Roatbaum]

Teal'c reminded me of Clacence Williams III of the show the MOD Squad.
He did , but as one who used to watch the show, I think Teal'c talks more than ( I can't remember his name.) did.
But you have to love Daniel's German accent. That was some seriously German, German. I remember myself and some others talked about going to Woodstock, then we decided that it would be a 'hassle' . Maybe I'd have seen the guys on the way And everybody had a van like that.

[Selmak]

Another DHDless activation of the gate by Cassie.

[Selmak]

Always tricked the stoned hippies... man

[greytop]

Another DHDless activation of the gate by Cassie.
It was probably the Asgard who gave us the tech in the furture. When Thor came to earth via the stargate he use DHDless activation.

[Selmak]

yeah... it looked like one of those stone things that the Asgard use.

[Bagpuss]

I really enjoyed "1969".There was just so much to like about Michael and Jenny,the "Interrogation" scene,the Woodstock references,and everyone seemed to have great fun making the episode .
The strange thing is, that usually I don't really like "Time Travel" stories, as they usually contain paradoxes,but Cassandra not giving clues or letting SG-1 glimpse the "Future" SGC, neatly sidestepped any problems,IMO. :D

[Ancient]

yeah... it looked like one of those stone things that the Asgard use.
nah man its a gold thing on her hand with a emerald looking thing , it doesn t looke like the typical all controling asgard stone....

[VirtualCLD]

Some SPOILERS for later seasons





Wasn't there a scene where Daniel was pretending to be a German scientist... or something... and they were trying to track down where the stargate was? I believe they were making refferences to the DHD being uncoverred by the Germans, but I didn't think they knew about this yet, at least not untill they found out about Russia getting the stargate from Apophis's ship...

[Matt G]

Well maybe they did already know the Germans originally had the DHD - Catherine might have known.

[yenny8a]

It's a cool episode. But I don't like time travel.

I think the reason you don't like time travel is that it seems to mess up the harmony and sanctity of history and our actions, whatever that means. Bottom line, as O'Neill would like it, time travel complicates the hell out of everything, and people feel uncomfortable with it.

But I think time travel should always be part of sci-fi. After all, it's theoretically possible according to our present theories.

[Selmak]

I don't remember that scene in the pic being in the episode... it must have been a publicity shot.

[greytop]

Some SPOILERS for later seasons





Wasn't there a scene where Daniel was pretending to be a German scientist... or something... and they were trying to track down where the stargate was? I believe they were making refferences to the DHD being uncoverred by the Germans, but I didn't think they knew about this yet, at least not untill they found out about Russia getting the stargate from Apophis's ship...
There was a scene where Daniel was pretending to German. He was talking to Katherine about where the Stargate was stored. Sam was with him.

[Nolamom]

Fluffy got to travel to 1969 as well http://publish.hometown.aol.com/nolamom/images/fluffy%20in%201969.gif

[Ketari]

Fluffy is well transversed.

1969 is very amusing. Young Hammond is rather dashing.

[Anubis]

Awwwwwwwwwww, Fluffy looks so cute.

[Ketari]

isnt he?

He got to sit next to Sam and Jack. Lucky Fluffy.

[Anubis]

Such a lucky creature. Gets to do way too much! :D

[Whitster]

The thing that confuses me about this episode is if the stargate uses so much power and costs the US government so much to run, how the hell do they run it from a car battery?

[Anubis]

The thing that confuses me about this episode is if the stargate uses so much power and costs the US government so much to run, how the hell do they run it from a car battery?



lol I do agree. Mind you, I'm guessing it costs a lot of money to run, if it is kept open for a longer period of time because it requires more power. However, over a short period it may not require so much energy.

[Whitster]

But seriously they created a wormhole from the power of a damn caqr battery. :eek:

[cobraR478]

Apparently you can travel through time with the same battery you use to run your car's radio and lights :P Its not a hole!!!! It makes perfect sense.

[Erik Pasternak]

Actually, I think they used two car batteries, which makes it less nitpick-y.

[Donks]

Actually, they didn't use the car bateries per se. They had the engines running, using them as power generators. A car (or truck in this case) recharges the battery while running.

[Anubis]

Actually, they didn't use the car bateries per se. They had the engines running, using them as power generators. A car (or truck in this case) recharges the battery while running.



Certain? Obviously you know more about cars than I do, but however it was done, wasn't it just luck they had JUST enough power? lol

[Donks]

Certain? Obviously you know more about cars than I do, but however it was done, wasn't it just luck they had JUST enough power? lol

Well, I'm a guy. I'm required by law to pretend to know everything there is to know about engines, even if I can't change a spark plug to save my life
:D

Anyways, AFAIK the battery is used to start the engine, after that the combustion keeps it going, and the battery is recharged.

[Anubis]

Well, I'm a guy. I'm required by law to pretend to know everything there is to know about engines, even if I can't change a spark plug to save my life
:D

Anyways, AFAIK the battery is used to start the engine, after that the combustion keeps it going, and the battery is recharged.



Well, I'm a guy too but since you're older, I'll understand that comment, as I don't understand too much about every proportion of cars, yet! ;)

[Donks]

You don't HAVE to understand it, you just have to PRETEND like you do :D

[Anubis]

You don't HAVE to understand it, you just have to PRETEND like you do :D


Ah ha, I see. Understood loud and clear, my little servant you! ;)

[Asgard Buddy]

Fantastic episode. :)

It would be neat to know what happened to Michael and Jenny. Did he avoid the draft? Did he go to war?

[zats]

it was a great episode...it had some memoriable scenes...
some guard:*in russian* are you russian spies
daniel: niete
jack: daniel!
daniel: he just asked us if we were russian spies..and i said no...
jack gives this look
daniel: oh...
heh heh and the teal'c michael scenes...oh man. though we should find out what happens to jenny and michael...

Jenny and Michael would make a great episode: maybe another foothold-type situation and Jen and Mike just happen to be in the area and get mixed up somehow? Of course, they'd probably get killed off quite heroically...but it'd still be a cool ep.

[Spiderman]

Where would Micheal and Jenny be now?Are they happy?Maybe
Anyhow,I like the episode
O'Neill:I'll be honest with you.My name is not James T.Kirk
It's skywalker,Luke Skywalker :D :D FUNNY

[Major Fischer]

Where would Micheal and Jenny be now?

They could be almost anywhere. I'd love to have seen either one again, maybe as an aging UFOlogist, maybe after having seen Sam on TV during the Covenant denials tracking her down. But I doubt we have time.

[jyh]

This episode aired today... when Jack says they "owe" Michael & the girl, and they can't take them with them to their 'planet,' Michael says "But you owe us!" Jack should have told him: "Here's five bucks. Put it on the Mets for the World Series. If they win, we're square."

Of course, Michael would probably have been in Viet Nam by the end of October, so maybe that wouldn't work. But it would have made a great reference!

[Erik Pasternak]

This episode aired today... when Jack says they "owe" Michael & the girl, and they can't take them with them to their 'planet,' Michael says "But you owe us!" Jack should have told him: "Here's five bucks. Put it on the Mets for the World Series. If they win, we're square."

Of course, Michael would probably have been in Viet Nam by the end of October, so maybe that wouldn't work. But it would have made a great reference!
True, it would have. (I'm assuming that the Mets won the World Series that year, as you can see I'm not a big baseball fan)

[greytop]

True, it would have. (I'm assuming that the Mets won the World Series that year, as you can see I'm not a big baseball fan)
They did, I believe for the first time, too.

[Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman]

At first I didn't like this episode then I got to see it over again and now I'm addicted. Yesterday I saw it 4 times in a row. They just cracked me up!

I was awed at how much the guy who played Lt. Hammond looked and sounded like General Hammond! Wow! And Gen. Hammond was sweet :D He's a real teddy bear that guy. I lurve him :)

"Teal'c: This method is innefective. ((Walks right in the middle of the street))"

MS did a great job speaking German. Does he speak it in reality? I swear he didn't have an accent!

[Spiderman]

hihihi that was a great episode :D haha :D :D Teal'c with the hair and than Michael and his wife :D

[nos es antiquitas]

This is my favorite episode, so it seems like a good place to make my first post.

It had so much humor and somehow managed to stay serious. I loved Daniel's German accent. Michael Shanks did a wonderful job.

About the hippies:

Maybe in a future Episode we'll find out that Jenny and Micheal's son/daughter works at the SGC? That would be an interesting twist.

About the gate and the car batteries:

Doesn't the gate store enough energy to manually dial out once? I don't think I have the episode where they beamed the gate up and used it that way, so I can't check it to be sure. Since the gate had been in storage so long, maybe she only wanted to suppliment the energy? It could contradict 'Prisoners', so I apologize if I'm wrong.

[greytop]

Doesn't the gate store enough energy to manually dial out once? I don't think I have the episode where they beamed the gate up and used it that way, so I can't check it to be sure. Since the gate had been in storage so long, maybe she only wanted to suppliment the energy? It could contradict 'Prisoners', so I apologize if I'm wrong.
The gate had been in storage since 1945 and not used as with the stargate that was beamed up in Nemesis. So it probably had no stored energy what so ever.

[zats]

Maybe in a future Episode we'll find out that Jenny and Micheal's son/daughter works at the SGC? That would be an interesting twist.

I think I've had too much coffee today, but Janet could have been Jenny and Michael's daughter, theoretically speaking. Jenny was short, and Janet isn't (wasn't, grrr) exactly rivaling a basetball pole heightwise. And somehow I can see Janet growing up in such a wacky environment...hmm. Fic time!

[soma_momma]

Having been a teen in 1969, I think we aren't ever supposed to know what happens to Michael.
What I'm still wondering is what Jack was going to tell Michael when Sam interrupted to remind Jack that Michael had to make his own decision [so the timeline wouldn't change].

[zats]

Um...invest in the tech stocks???

[.:Lemon:.]

I liked this episode. Very funny and interesting. As people have said, it would be good to see Michael and Jenny again

[Ancient 1]

I liked this episode. Very funny and interesting. As people have said, it would be good to see Michael and Jenny again
This probably wouldn't be a good idea (for them to meet any of SG-1 again). They thought they were helping aliens to get back home. Now to see them again would raise a lot of questions, (like why they stayed on earth, or why did they come back, and why haven't they aged?) and no one wants to even try to explain time travel.

[Beatrice Otter]

lol I do agree. Mind you, I'm guessing it costs a lot of money to run, if it is kept open for a longer period of time because it requires more power. However, over a short period it may not require so much energy.
Well, haven't they said at least once that the Gate, being a superconductor, stores energy, and that it generally retains enough energy for one 'cold' dial? Remember how they were experimenting with the gate just 20 years earlier, in the 1940s. I don't think it's that incredible that the Gate could have stored some energy from then--maybe it just needed to be jump-started, or something.

[Beatrice Otter]

This probably wouldn't be a good idea (for them to meet any of SG-1 again). They thought they were helping aliens to get back home. Now to see them again would raise a lot of questions, (like why they stayed on earth, or why did they come back, and why haven't they aged?) and no one wants to even try to explain time travel.
Yeah, but Michael and Jenny believe they're aliens. Who knows if those are even their real bodies? Who knows how long their 'species' lives? What about suspended animation? Lots of sf-type stuff that could be happening. And I'll bet Jenny and Michael became big sf fans after their encounter with SG-1.

[Ancient 1]

Yeah, but Michael and Jenny believe they're aliens. Who knows if those are even their real bodies? Who knows how long their 'species' lives? What about suspended animation? Lots of sf-type stuff that could be happening. And I'll bet Jenny and Michael became big sf fans after their encounter with SG-1.
I'm just saying that for them to meet again would open up a can of worm(hole)s.

[Matt G]

In 1969, Michael and Jenny might have believed they were aliens, but who knows if over the decades they hadn't written off that assumption as these four people covering something up. And then deciding not to worry about it!

[Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman]

Probably not since they overheard Carter talking about establishing a wormhole to another planet when she wasn't aware that they could hear.

[Beatrice Otter]

Probably not since they overheard Carter talking about establishing a wormhole to another planet when she wasn't aware that they could hear.
Well, they could just have decided they were four escapees from the looney bin, I guess :).

[Gushi]

Well, they could just have decided they were four escapees from the looney bin, I guess :).

True enough...however I didn't see this in the episode guide or anything like that, so I need to ask (just because it bugs me)...

WHEN WAS THERE EVER A MISSILE IN CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN?

The place is a nerve center, not a launch point.

[Im_just_guessing]

It wasnt a real missile, they said that it was just a thing for training.

[Sunkissed_stargate_traveller]

I'm just saying that for them to meet again would open up a can of worm(hole)s.
LOL

I think time travel eps are always really hard to get ur head around :S ... the whole if u didnt go back this wouldnt have happened or if u do something back then it will change everything ...etc.
But the highlight for me was DJ's line "I speak 23 languages - pick one!!" :D and seeing MS trying to talk German :D it was sooo funny especially the stereotypical accent ... with the actual German he didnt do too bad imo.

[starfish]

LOL

I think time travel eps are always really hard to get ur head around :S ... the whole if u didnt go back this wouldnt have happened or if u do something back then it will change everything ...etc.

I am having a hard time reconciling time travel with Carter's comments in Season 6's prophecy *spoiler space* (is that still necesary?)

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If the future is not predetermined (as Carter says) then how does time travel into the past work if they return to the present? Because returning to the present would imply that the future was predetermined.


Ohhh so confusing. I think I must have missed something vitally important about the concept of time travel. lol.

[Egeria]

I watched this yesterday and one thing bugged me. The note that Hammond gives Carter has the date and time of the two solar flares. Why does he write the times in 12hr clock format and not 24hr. You would thing that being a military man it would have been in 24hr.:)

[greytop]

I watched this yesterday and one thing bugged me. The note that Hammond gives Carter has the date and time of the two solar flares. Why does he write the times in 12hr clock format and not 24hr. You would thing that being a military man it would have been in 24hr.:)
IMO, there could be two reason for this.

1) If Hammond copied the dates down, they would probably would be in the 12hr format.

2) If he use the military format, I have a hard time figuring out the pms quickly, although I know them, so would others in the US.

[Sunkissed_stargate_traveller]

If the future is not predetermined (as Carter says) then how does time travel into the past work if they return to the present? Because returning to the present would imply that the future was predetermined.

Ohhh so confusing. I think I must have missed something vitally important about the concept of time travel. lol.
LOL. Very true - if the future is not predetermined then there is nothing in the future yet?!?.. because back in time the present is in the future!! I give up - thankfully we cant time travel - its way too confusing!!

[Hex.FTB.enabled]

This ep has a special place in my heart, as it's the one that got me hooked. Wonderfully written. I loved the banter between the team members, and seeing everyone in vintage was great! Time travel eps can often fall into the traps of being cliche or just too confusing, and this one did neither. This kid who played young Hammond was perfect, and Teal'c learning to drive is hilarious. Oh I could go on and on....great ep!

[Sha're]

An all round great episode that still stands up - just watched it again for what must be the zillionth time and still enjoyed it .
I love the hitch-hiking bit where Teal'c steps out in front of the hippy bus - he is the star of this ep in my eyes. And Daniel's German accent - has me in stiches.
I try not to explore the issues raised about time travel, okay it has holes but then so does just about every sci-fi time travel story - and I think my head would explode if I did :(

[SilverRider]

Actully if one goes to the past from the future, they know the what has happened (ie. If they were from 1999 going to 1969; so it then for SG-1 the future is ploted, they know what has happened). But if they change one thing in the given timeline. that's when the whole timelife shifts.

Am I making sense???

[SmartFox]

The only problem i have with this ep is the whole time travel thing. Basically they use the theory that events that won't happen until some one from the past or future intervenes have already happend. For example Cassandra knows that they will come but for that to happen SG-1 would have to be sent back by Cassandra so that Sam can tell Cassandra to send them back. (A little confusing i know.)
My theory on how time travel would work is that things can't happen until the thing that pre-cursors it happens. Meaning that the loop that goes around and around must start at the beginning and that beginning for SG-1 going into the future is when SG-1 first steps into the future and there would be no one there. Why would anyone be there if SG-1 hasn't told Cassandra to be there.

The same would apply for SG-1 going back to 1969 and Hammond. This one is more complicated so i didn't want to type it out.

[Rant Off]

[GatetheWay]

In the begining after the soldier hit Jack full in the face with the but of a gun, we see a scratch on his eye-brow that steadily heals throughout the episode. Is this where Jack got his eye-brow scare that they were making fun of in Wormhole Ex-teme?

[fair_nymph]

I wasn't too crazy about this episode.

And I had serious issues with the logic of the whole time travel thing. SmartFox said it well -- it just doesn't pan out. And there was no 'point' in them going back in time. They went back in time to return to the future? Sounds pretty pointless to me.

[lordaraq]

There's a couple of things about the episode that have got me thinking...

The scene with Cassandra towards the end is a little odd. For one thing, the entire gate room looks to be moth-balled up, which is unlikely. Even if Earth develops reliable spaceships by this time period, certainly the gate would not be left to collect dust under a mountain. 2010 gives us a better idea about what would likely happen.

I know some people have suggested that maybe the people in the future knew what was coming and orchestrated the whole thing, but that seems a bit too contrived for me. Then the thought struck me, what if Cassandra was ascended and "magicked" the whole thing? Her attire gave me that ancient-esque feeling. It would easily explain a lot of things, including her mastery of using the stargate for time travel with relative ease.

I'm sure that wasn't a thought when the episode was made, but with hindsight it would seem plausible.

[line17]

I would like to see this episode remade, but from a 1969 perspective.

I would like to think that Lieutenant Hammond was either lying or mistaking when he said all the SG-1 equipment, was in those boxes, when they were destroyed. Maybe as a lieutenant he did not yet have clearance that he does have now. He was not there when the equipment was loaded onto the second truck. I like to think that Major Thornbird took one or two Zat guns and all the recorded tapes before the second truck left.

The tapes recorded SG-1's arrival. I wonder at what point they appear. It was suggested that they were in both time periods at the same time. Maybe the cameras picked up images of the stargate(2000) in action.

The holding cell, where SG-1 talked about traveling in time, could have been bugged.

I wonder what happened after the soldiers were found, knocked out and who found them.

The stargate in 1969: I wonder what happened after it was seen in operation.

[Iku Rex]

I had to register just to comment on this episode.

It's bad. It's really, really bad.

Why can't TV writers understand that time travel is stupid? It is absurd. It is impossible. <Sigh>.

The time travel rules in the Stargate SG-1 reality require a silly, predetermined universe with no free will, yet the main characters keep whining about how they shouldn't "change" anything (important). As if they could. :mad:

[jyh]

I would like to see this episode remade, but from a 1969 perspective.

The stargate in 1969: I wonder what happened after it was seen in operation.

Good point, what was the fallout after the "ancient artifact" (Stargate) was seen in operation in 1969? Must've made TPTB in the military wonder about what it was, and who the people were who fired on the guards, and used the 'device' and disappeared. All that MUST exist in some file or report SOMEWHERE. And coincidentally, Catherine picks just around that time to renew interest & study of the Stargate. I'm sure somebody would have put two and two together.

Like many others, I too have trouble with time-travel episodes, and 1969 is a perfect example of why: 1999: General Hammond gives Carter a note. 1969: Lt. Hammond reads the note & follows the directions. When Lt Hammond gets older, becomes general, and the year is once again 1999, does he write ANOTHER note to give to Carter? How many times does that particular loop occur? Boggles the mind.

Another things that bugs me about this episode is how easily things seem to fall into place. The hippie bus drives up to the local neighborhood observatory, and Jack & Teal'c go in. They just walk right in--no questions asked, no explanation given--and apparently have the whole place to themselves. No guards, no employees, no bothersome distractions. (For the record, Voyager had an almost identical scenario, but at least there were people there that Tom Paris had to do some fast talking to.)
Then, when they find the armory (and there are HOW MANY armories in Washington? Yet they manage to find the right one), the Stargate is conveniently stored on its end, and not piled behind a bunch of boxes and crates. It's too easily accessible. Oh, and there happen to be a number of large military vehicles within 20 yards to provide power to get the gate going.

i know I sound like I'm nitpicking & complaining, and I guess I am, but what's odd is that I actually LIKE this episode. I think it presents some great scenes and has some great fun. But the coincidences and glossing over of major details can't help but rankle.

To recap: HATE time-travel episodes (hint, hint), but LOVE the semi-comic episodes, and fish-out-of-water scenes can be a lot of fun.

[Lida]

Good point, what was the fallout after the "ancient artifact" (Stargate) was seen in operation in 1969? Must've made TPTB in the military wonder about what it was, and who the people were who fired on the guards, and used the 'device' and disappeared. All that MUST exist in some file or report SOMEWHERE. And coincidentally, Catherine picks just around that time to renew interest & study of the Stargate. I'm sure somebody would have put two and two together.

Like many others, I too have trouble with time-travel episodes, and 1969 is a perfect example of why: 1999: General Hammond gives Carter a note. 1969: Lt. Hammond reads the note & follows the directions. When Lt Hammond gets older, becomes general, and the year is once again 1999, does he write ANOTHER note to give to Carter? How many times does that particular loop occur? Boggles the mind.

Another things that bugs me about this episode is how easily things seem to fall into place. The hippie bus drives up to the local neighborhood observatory, and Jack & Teal'c go in. They just walk right in--no questions asked, no explanation given--and apparently have the whole place to themselves. No guards, no employees, no bothersome distractions. (For the record, Voyager had an almost identical scenario, but at least there were people there that Tom Paris had to do some fast talking to.)
Then, when they find the armory (and there are HOW MANY armories in Washington? Yet they manage to find the right one), the Stargate is conveniently stored on its end, and not piled behind a bunch of boxes and crates. It's too easily accessible. Oh, and there happen to be a number of large military vehicles within 20 yards to provide power to get the gate going.

i know I sound like I'm nitpicking & complaining, and I guess I am, but what's odd is that I actually LIKE this episode. I think it presents some great scenes and has some great fun. But the coincidences and glossing over of major details can't help but rankle.

To recap: HATE time-travel episodes (hint, hint), but LOVE the semi-comic episodes, and fish-out-of-water scenes can be a lot of fun.

OK, 1969 has never been one of my favorites, but it is enjoyable to watch...has some great lines in it and yes, I too hate time travel episodes.

However, even with the gaping plot holes, remember, it's just a TV show.....and with a limited number of minutes to present a cohesive story, sometimes you have to suspend belief, just a tad.

[QuiGonJohn]

I loved this episode, (faults and all). Loved Hammond at the end, asking for his money, with interest.

An interesting thing. I re-watched the pilot yesterday and when Hammond was contemplating whether to lock out the iris/codes, I wondered if he was remembering helping SG-1 in 1969.

[Beatrice Otter]

I loved this episode, (faults and all). Loved Hammond at the end, asking for his money, with interest.

An interesting thing. I re-watched the pilot yesterday and when Hammond was contemplating whether to lock out the iris/codes, I wondered if he was remembering helping SG-1 in 1969.
He had to have been. And I'm not just saying it because I love all those fanfics that deal with this stuff from his pov; 1969 was one hell of a weird thing in his early life. If it were me, I'd sure as hell be curious about it.

[twiggy]

i liked this ep even though time travel is impossible. it just made me laugh. i really loved all the clothes. they looked so groovy! hehe

[Egeria]

I had to register just to comment on this episode.

It's bad. It's really, really bad.

Why can't TV writers understand that time travel is stupid? It is absurd. It is impossible. <Sigh>.

The time travel rules in the Stargate SG-1 reality require a silly, predetermined universe with no free will, yet the main characters keep whining about how they shouldn't "change" anything (important). As if they could. :mad:

IMO if you joined GW just to slag off 1969 then that's just sad.:( This is far from the worst SG episode made (thinks 'lots of others'...maybe not lots, but you get my drift)

[QuiGonJohn]

Egeria, I don't think there are a lot of bad SG episodes. Even some of the 'worst' have their redeeming qualities.

[Lida]

Egeria, I don't think there are a lot of bad SG episodes. Even some of the 'worst' have their redeeming qualities.

I have to agree. I used to dislike 1969, but the more I watch it, the more things I see in it I missed. I've learned that even the episodes I thought were not up to SG-1's usual great quality, usually had redeeming moments in them, and were worth watching. But then I'm a fanantic, so what does my opinion count for? :D ;)

[Believer]

I had to register just to comment on this episode.

It's bad. It's really, really bad.

Why can't TV writers understand that time travel is stupid? It is absurd. It is impossible. <Sigh>.

The time travel rules in the Stargate SG-1 reality require a silly, predetermined universe with no free will, yet the main characters keep whining about how they shouldn't "change" anything (important). As if they could. :mad:

When it is finally proved to me that Time travel is impossible, and I mean PROVED, then I'll believe it. As for TV time travel, come on. It's been the basis for whole TV's series!

And if you think time travel is "stupid", you must really not like alot of the writers' storylines in SG-1. Where should I start? OK, I'll be VERY brief....how about Dr. Frasier, finding cures for everything????? Now that takes real suspension of belief! :eek:

I enjoyed watching the episode 1969, time travel and all.

[Beatrice Otter]

IMO if you joined GW just to slag off 1969 then that's just sad.:( This is far from the worst SG episode made (thinks 'lots of others')
I wouldn't say lots of others, but they do definitely exist. I've always enjoyed this one, personlly. And as someone else said, there are always good points even to bad eps. Well. Usually, there are. There's one ep in particular that has absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever, but I can't tell you which one because I've blocked it from my memory completely. ;)

[Iku Rex]

When it is finally proved to me that Time travel is impossible, and I mean PROVED, then I'll believe it. Ok. Can do.

Example 1: Killing your own grandfather, so that you're never born, meaning that you can't kill your grandfather, meaning that you're born, meaning that you kill your grandfather etc. (Mentioned in the episode IIRC and promptly ignored.)

Example 2: You find a way to send signals a few seconds back in time. You rig some C4 to the radio transceiver, and set it to explode as soon as the signal arrives. You wait a bit and send the signal back in time. The signal arrives. The transceiver explodes. The signal is not sent. The transceiver doesn't explode... (And so on and so forth...)

Stargate-style time travel leads to absurdity. This proves that it's impossible. (Reductio ad absurdum.)

(The simple fix: Alternate realities. Don't like those very much either, but a "1969 reality" would provide the exact same opportunity to put Teal'c in a funny wig.)

As for TV time travel, come on. It's been the basis for whole TV's series!Yes. Really, really bad TV series. (Was I somehow unclear about my opinion on this. :) )

And if you think time travel is "stupid", you must really not like alot of the writers' storylines in SG-1. Where should I start? OK, I'll be VERY brief....how about Dr. Frasier, finding cures for everything????? Now that takes real suspension of belief! :eek: She doesn't "find cures for everything". If anything, her main task seems to be to either declare that nothing is wrong, or to discover some unfixable "brain problem".

More importantly, there's nothing inherently illogical about finding a cure for a disease, even a super-science cure for a super-science disease from the show.

[Lida]

Ok. Can do.

Example 1: Killing your own grandfather, so that you're never born, meaning that you can't kill your grandfather, meaning that you're born, meaning that you kill your grandfather etc. (Mentioned in the episode IIRC and promptly ignored.)

Example 2: You find a way to send signals a few seconds back in time. You rig some C4 to the radio transceiver, and set it to explode as soon as the signal arrives. You wait a bit and send the signal back in time. The signal arrives. The transceiver explodes. The signal is not sent. The transceiver doesn't explode... (And so on and so forth...)

Stargate-style time travel leads to absurdity. This proves that it's impossible. (Reductio ad absurdum.)

(The simple fix: Alternate realities. Don't like those very much either, but a "1969 reality" would provide the exact same opportunity to put Teal'c in a funny wig.)
Yes. Really, really bad TV series. (Was I somehow unclear about my opinion on this. :) )
She doesn't "find cures for everything". If anything, her main task seems to be to either declare that nothing is wrong, or to discover some unfixable "brain problem".

More importantly, there's nothing inherently illogical about finding a cure for a disease, even a super-science cure for a super-science disease from the show.

Sorry, but I just read both posts and you haven't "proved" anything, except you have your own opinions and Believer has his.

As for "there is nothing inherently illogical about finding a cure for a disease", well, yes there is, when you find it as quickly as Dr. Fraiser did, considering how long, in real life, it takes. Come on, you get real. Fraiser solved problems our best docs and research scientists would be struggling over for years. She saw things we have only dreamt of, yet she found a way to "fix" MANY of them, all inside of one episode. I loved her character, but that, in addition to several real medical errors, was my only beef with it.

But that's just my opinion (although maybe a bit more informed than yours, but maybe not). Oh, and if you are still in school, the Latin is fine, but you need a logic course, to use it properly. ;)

[Iku Rex]

Sorry, but I just read both posts and you haven't "proved" anything, except you have your own opinions and Believer has his. Your inability to understand the proof does not make it invalid.

[QuiGonJohn]

Iku, your "proofs" are not really proofs that time travel is impossible. But merely examples of conundrums that time travel could cause. It doesn't mean someone couldn't go back in time and see their grandfather when he was young. It just talks about how would things transpire if that person were to then kill their grandfather.

[Matt G]

Yes. Really, really bad TV series.


Like the new series of Doctor Who? That's anything but bad!

[Egeria]

Like the new series of Doctor Who? That's anything but bad!

Too right...well said:D

[Beatrice Otter]

Your inability to understand the proof does not make it invalid.
Iku Rex, you offered logic. Good logic, but it presupposes that the phenomenon of time works on the principles of logic upon which your argument was based. And you have no scientific basis to make that claim because our understanding of the physics of time is far too limited to hazard even an educated guess about its complexities. Many, many centuries ago, Aristotle did much the same thing when he was trying to determine the way the natural world worked. His suppositions were quite elegantly logical. Unfortunately, as later scholars found, when you actually try them out, they don't match reality.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that we, like the people of Aristotle's day, simply don't have the ability to test your hypothesis to see if it's correct. And we're missing most of the evidence.

[Darkstar]

1969 a good year shame i wasent alive oh well good episode one of my favourites for season 2 great follown on with 2010. :D

[Aleca]

You are not honestly arguing over 'time travel' in SciFi shows here, are you? lol I mean, c'mon why else do we watch it, but to see that kind of stuff.
I actually love all the time travel shows. Maybe just because, I'd love to go back in time and see how things were before I was born.
1969 was funny, not as angsty as 2010. But I love both episdes. But well, I am obsessed with SG anyway, so...forget it. ;)

[Lucreleia]

I don't remember that scene in the pic being in the episode... it must have been a publicity shot.

Neither do I.... they are nice pics, though.

[Lucreleia]

Could anyone please explain me how did Sam know when exactly they would arrive in the future to tell Cassie to be there?
Solar flares are random, no matter the year....

[briguy213]

In the episode 1969, how does casandra(the one from the future) open the stargate without the unstable worm hole and without the chevrons moving? Did I miss something, or does no one know?

[Atteria]

In the episode 1969, how does casandra(the one from the future) open the stargate without the unstable worm hole and without the chevrons moving? Did I miss something, or does no one know?

She had a device on her wrist, which looked suspiciously Goa'uld, in design, but a similar device has also been used by the Nox. As she touched it and the wormhole opened, I would think that's how she did it. So to answer your question, you did miss something. ;) :rolleyes:

[TheWarrior]

I think the device deffo looked alien - I thought it looked like the same device Thor used to active the gate in "Small Victories".

[Wyrminarrd]

Just ignore the plot devices, you´ll be happier that way :D

But more seriously, it was meant to show that humans on Earth will in the future have advanced greatly and be able to do stuff like that.

[briguy213]

I saw the device, I just wondered how they opened it without the unstable wormhole, when i said if i missed something, i meant dd they explain it.

[Atteria]

I saw the device, I just wondered how they opened it without the unstable wormhole, when i said if i missed something, i meant dd they explain it.

Explain it? ROFL No, it was not directly explained, anymore than it was explained when Lya used the same technique to open a wormhole on Earth.

[Ancient 1]

She had a device on her wrist, which looked suspiciously Goa'uld, in design, but a simialr device has also ben used by the Nox. As she touched it and the wormhole opened, I would think that's how she did it. So to answer your question, you did miss something. ;) :rolleyes:
Apophis had a similar device in COTG...

[briguy213]

Gosh, thanks for being so nice about it, atteria.

[Charles17]

ooooo so thats how apophis got back to wherever he came from... i thought they sent a jaffa up to the computers and rebooted the computers and hacked in and dialed out... lol... apophis having such a thing would make more sense lol

[Atteria]

Gosh, thanks for being so nice about it, atteria.

You are most welcome. There is so much I don't know, when I see something I do know, I tend to get a little pedantic about it. Sorry if I came across like a school teacher. :( I'm not!

I know whenever I've had a question, someone always had the answer, so I try to answer questions whenever I can. I just get carried away sometimes. :S

[Heru'urs_first_prime]

Ok, you knw othe bit where daniel talks German? well ive always wanted to knwo what its like whatching that Scene in German!

so now ive got that episode on DVD i whatched it in DVD

Daniel (german Daniel) put s on a French accent and when he talks the English undertitle come up and ontop of that comes the German undertitle!

oh my GOD!

[Heru'urs_first_prime]

Ok, ive whatched the same scene now in French and at the bit where Daniel is meant to talk -German: he talks French still, and the English subtitles some up!

[Stricken]

TIME TRAVEL - the first of so many!!

[walter_MacChevron]

I loved this episode.......Teal'c dressed as Jimmy Hendrix!

[jyh]

Great episode. I always thought SG-1 guys should at some point look up what happened to Michael. He was drafted, after all, and was going to get into the service. They could have looked him up to see how he did, if he came back from 'Nam, etc. (I don't suggest them CONTACTING him, but I know I'd be curious.....)

Also, the song that plays while they're riding the "magic bus" sounds a little like a weird version of Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop (Thinking about Tomorrow)."

And every time I watch this ep, it astounds me that Jack & Teal'c are able to walk into the local observatory (which looks to be in a residential area, by the way) and use it w/out any questions or problems.

Regardless, I just LOVE this episode. I can't believe it wasn't included in the mini-marathon of SG-1 favorites. The episodes they showed, it seemed like Sci-Fi had a reason to show some of them, and not necessarily because they were voted as favorites. (No 1969, and no Wormhole Xtreme. Something's definitely fishy about that!!)

[AGateFan]

Great episode. I always thought SG-1 guys should at some point look up what happened to Michael. He was drafted, after all, and was going to get into the service. They could have looked him up to see how he did, if he came back from 'Nam, etc. (I don't suggest them CONTACTING him, but I know I'd be curious.....)

Also, the song that plays while they're riding the "magic bus" sounds a little like a weird version of Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop (Thinking about Tomorrow)."

I just LOVE this episode. I can't believe it wasn't included in the mini-marathon of SG-1 favorites. The episodes they showed, it seemed like Sci-Fi had a reason to show some of them, and not necessarily because they were voted as favorites. (No 1969, and no Wormhole Xtreme. Something's definitely fishy about that!!)
This was on the mini-marathon
Lost City I
Lost City II
1969
A matter of time
2010

EDIT: Lots of quotables in this ep. I like this ep more every time I see it.

[jyh]

This was on the mini-marathon
Lost City I
Lost City II
1969
A matter of time
2010

EDIT: Lots of quotables in this ep. I like this ep more every time I see it.



OK, I stand corrected... I guess I missed it when it was on that night. But I *STILL* want to know why Wormhole Xtreme wasn't in the marathon!!!! :(



P.S. You're right about the quotes. Love Teal'c: "The war with Canada." :p

[Samuel J. Tilden]

TIME TRAVEL - the first of so many!!
They never quite got it right after 1969. It's hard to write good (logical) time travel and the SG writers did a pretty good job in this episode. They did a poor job in 2010 and -shudder- Moebius.

[WhatFateAlmondRoca]

P.S. You're right about the quotes. Love Teal'c: "The war with Canada." :p

Jack: Where there's a will there's an or

Military guy: Your dogtags say otherwise.
Jack: They're lying

Nyet

I don't know how RDA gets through some of his lines when he's being interrogated without even a hint of a smile. Telling the guy he's James T. Kirk and Luke Skywalker!!!

I really like this ep, its on my frequently rewatched list! And yes, Teal'c as Hendrix - loved that.

[Metarock Sam]

Clasic episode in my opinion the best SG-1 Time Travel Episode ever. Loved Tealc Jimmy Hendrix and the way he stopped the bus was just hilarious.

[timdalton007]

A great episode! Seeing SG-1 go back to 1969 as a great idea on the part of the writers! Jack giving his name as Kirk and Skywalker was great! I can easily see why this mad ethe viewers choice marathon a few weeks back.

timdalton007

[Miz_Gatez]

lol :D Classic episode!! On terms of creativity, it rivals Window of Opportunity with a good fight (but not TOO good, in my mind...WOP will always be my epi! :p )

[skritsys]

I loved this ep. I thought they handled the whole time travel thing quite well, incorporating the solar flare as the source. Kind of similar to the elements that were used for time travel in Star Trek: The Voyage Home.

[str8edgepunker]

What an awesome episode. I have an interesting observation to report. The noise that was made when Jack opened the doors of the observatory sounds similar to the noise that the elevator on myst island in the video game myst made. I've played both back and it sounds darned near close. Weird.

[skritsys]

Maybe one of the SFX guys heard it when he/she was playing Myst and figured, "Hey. that would work for that scene!"

[Lord Gwi]

Sorry for this, but I wanted to mention some more holes I thought of :)

Watch out for spoilers if for some odd reason you haven't seen these episodes before.





I'm surprised a bunch of people have mentioned 2010 but haven't mentioned it doesn't really make sense along with this episode. In the future Cassandra's there in a gateroom out of order, while they should have ended up in the public airport type place from 2010. They only didn't go to the Aschen planet because they got the note back from their future selves.

And why do they end up in the gate room? They go back in time from the gate room, they end up in the gate room. They go forward in time in some armoury, they end up in the gate room. Should the same thing have happened on the end of the episode as in the beginning? The whole being in two times at once thing.

Just some thoughts :)

[cafine_us]

I'm surprised a bunch of people have mentioned 2010 but haven't mentioned it doesn't really make sense along with this episode. In the future Cassandra's there in a gateroom out of order, while they should have ended up in the public airport type place from 2010. They only didn't go to the Aschen planet because they got the note back from their future selves.
Many, including myself, have speculated that Earth must be far more technologically advanced by that year in the future and could determine exactly when SG-1 was going to arrive from the past. With this information, the future Earthlings could move the gate back to its original location and cover the equipment in order to hide the future from the team.


And why do they end up in the gate room? They go back in time from the gate room, they end up in the gate room. They go forward in time in some armoury, they end up in the gate room. Should the same thing have happened on the end of the episode as in the beginning? The whole being in two times at once thing.
Continuity isn't exactly the strong point of TPTB. That said, this is kind of pathetic. They couldn't even get it down for one episode. geez...

[Samuel J. Tilden]

And why do they end up in the gate room? They go back in time from the gate room, they end up in the gate room. They go forward in time in some armoury, they end up in the gate room. Should the same thing have happened on the end of the episode as in the beginning? The whole being in two times at once thing.
It's true, but there really wasn't any way around it. I suppose you could formulate an explanation of some sort that explains different effects when travelling backward through time rather than forward in time. Perhaps it had something to do with the size or shape of the solar flare that SG-1 hit (the time travel effects happened within the wormhole rather than after SG-1 reintegrated back on Earth). Whatever the case, we were probably owed a one or two line explanation as to the asymmetry between the two time travel events.

[Rune]

Caught this ep again on Sky 1 having not seen it for a while and thoroughly enjoyed it. Probably because I never tend to notice them until someone points them out to me (yes, duh) but on the whole I try not to get too wound up by plot flaws and holes, just disengage brain and enjoy the ride.

Good fun episode :)

[The Signal]

A great episode, but with one fatal flaw IMHO. They spoiled something. By having Cassie in the future they have made success a certainty, we know Daniel survives to old age "I hardly recognised you with hair" Things may end differently, and the timeline may change, but in my book there is nothing that is going to change from what it was at the end of this episode, at least we have a happy ending to look forward to

[timdalton007]

A great episode, but with one fatal flaw IMHO. They spoiled something. By having Cassie in the future they have made success a certainty, we know Daniel survives to old age "I hardly recognised you with hair" Things may end differently, and the timeline may change, but in my book there is nothing that is going to change from what it was at the end of this episode, at least we have a happy ending to look forward to

You're right. Since it could be argued that what we saw is a "set future". No matter what timeline (the one from "2010" or the one that has developed in the show) SG-1 still went to 1969. Because of the encounter at the end of this episode, Cassie will now be waiting for the team god-knows when. The time line issue isn't worth arguing about because its a non-issue. Cassie will still be there to send them back trough the gate in the distant future no matter what. Also, I have a feeling that the "adventure is just beginning line" was kind of a in-joke considering the events of the episode after "1969".

timdalton007

[Lexa Jayde]

A great episode, but with one fatal flaw IMHO. They spoiled something. By having Cassie in the future they have made success a certainty, we know Daniel survives to old age "I hardly recognised you with hair" Things may end differently, and the timeline may change, but in my book there is nothing that is going to change from what it was at the end of this episode, at least we have a happy ending to look forward to
yeah i think that it did give it away, but i have to say that it was a nice touch....

[The Signal]

It was a great idea, I just think it was a little short sighted, still, they have ways of making these things work.

[timdalton007]

It was a great idea, I just think it was a little short sighted, still, they have ways of making these things work.

Keep this in mind: if you say that the show's just beginning and it's kind of hard to cancel it now isn't it?

timdalton007

[KnightCrusader]

Spoliers for later episodes.....























Don't forget, when 1969 aired, they were still in the original 2010 timeline, where the Aschen made everyone's lives longer and such. When the note came back at the end and they scrubbed the planet from the dialing computer, that is when the alternate timeline split off, and anything could have happened. So things could still change.

Steve

[The Signal]

First off, thats not a spoiler, and if it was you should use Spoiler tags. Plus, it is unlikely that it was the 2010 timeline as Cassie said she didnt recognise Daniel with hair, he died in the 2010 timeline before he lost his hair

[greytop]

The 1969 time line will still exist since later in 2010 they threw a message back to our time and they blocked the Aschen home word from the dialing scequence.

[timdalton007]

First off, thats not a spoiler, and if it was you should use Spoiler tags. Plus, it is unlikely that it was the 2010 timeline as Cassie said she didnt recognise Daniel with hair, he died in the 2010 timeline before he lost his hair

Yes! That should have settled this whole debate long ago! Why didn't anyone else notice this?! As you said, that line proves that the future isn't the future from 2010! Mystery solved everyone!

timdalton007

[bcfc]

This is another one of my favourites being a time travel episode great quotes and funny scenes from Jack.

Always worth watching again and again.


:) :D :) :D

[artemis_chosen]

I liked this ep for what it was a light hearted piece of entertainment. I find if I over analyse things like how everything that happened in this ep did happen then I lose sight of the bigger picture. That's not to say I don't analyse everything I just tend to do it while I'm daydreaming at work LOL:D .

I have read a few fanfics based around this ep that have Carter meeting up wih her Mum ( don't knock the spelling I'm Australian) and would have liked to have seen if Carter cosidered doing just that, despite the Grandfather paradox thingy.

[GLink]

Seeing a young Hammond was the most scariest part of the home episode. Hearing the voice before seeing the his name gave it away though. I really was like you can't be serious... oh lord. But it was a wise thing for Jack to quite literally get rid of the evidence. All in all it was a good one.

[su27k]

I love this episode, it has a lot of great moments, although as someone has pointed out, they really shouldn't appear in the mountain complex in 1969, they should end up at the place where stargate was stored in 1969, otherwise it would contradict with 2010 big time.

Interestingly enough, scientists (the real ones :)actually speculate that stable wormhole could be used to do time travel, so this part of the episode is not absurd at all. Using stargate (which is a stable wormhole) to travel through time makes a lot of sense in terms of science fiction.

[Darkstar]

jack zats the boxes to rid 1969 of the evidence but he's all for going back in time in mobius, also carter did't have much to say but she allowed them to use the timeship to go back knowing full well the future would change when she took a pee at the back of the tent 5 thousand years in the past, timetravel is tricky and should never be attempted, i wish i hadn't otherwise bills gates would never have become the wealthest man in the world, mind you windows would never have come about.....and .....oh my computer...oh dear what did i do wrong!!!!! :O

[mother-goose]

Anyone ever notice in "1969" that the shot of the tire blow out is on dry gravel yet they pull up on wet tarmac?

lol only just noticed it!

EDIT - Thanks for moving admins, i was un aware each ep had its own thread :D

[Thor of The Asgard]

i didnt like that episode...not much....
i think time travel suck...lol...
because no matter what you do there is always a risk of changing something...for better or for worse...

[Eoin]

Anyone know how much Jack owed Hammond (includng interest) at the end of the ep?

[sindicate]

Anyone know how much Jack owed Hammond (includng interest) at the end of the ep?

$539.50

[mckaychick]

With interst

[sindicate]

that was with intrest

Quote
General Hammond

"Oh by the way Colonel with intrest you owe me $539.50"

[mckaychick]

Oh yeah i was.

[KeiranFuller]

Yeah I liked this episode a lot.

[mckaychick]

Yeah this was one of the best episodes.

[Eoin]

$539.50
Cool thanks :)

[Otera]

Fantastic episode. :)

It would be neat to know what happened to Michael and Jenny. Did he avoid the draft? Did he go to war?

I'dunno, but he had a son, or so it is said, and he named his son George, and that their last name was Lucas, but that's just what people say due to the number Star Wars references, but honestly it might be...
:daniel:

[Darkstar]

nice episode towards the end of the season, time travel gets good marks in my book and in sci fi shows :D

[Pharaoh Atem]

great epsiode really good job casting young hammond good moment with teal'c and stopping the car

[mckaychick]

yeah good moment with teal'c stopping the car

[Akai]

I love this episode, it has a lot of great moments, although as someone has pointed out, they really shouldn't appear in the mountain complex in 1969, they should end up at the place where stargate was stored in 1969, otherwise it would contradict with 2010 big time.

In 1969, the Stargate was more or less "buried". In fact, it was sealed in a box, but I'd assume that the reason they appeared in the SGC gate room was because the gate in 1969 was not accessible. The box could've been designed to seal the gate when it was closed, this preventing a wormhole from connecting to it. Also, there was no DHD or power source of any kind connected to it. When time travel was done in 2010, the gate on the receiving end was in normal working order. Since the gate was not accessible in 1969, the gate connected back to itself. Thus, when SG-1 walked out, they were in both time periods simultaneously until the wormhole closed. There was no reason for this to happen the other times because the receiving gate was accessible.

[Commander Ivanova]

Daniel's "German" accent really sucked.

[captain jake]

It sounded good to me, how do you think you would do on that short of notice?

[Chelle DB]

Loved this episode - thought it was a blast!! I wish they could have looked up Michael and Jenny when they got back to thier normal time just to see what happened to them. Very good show!!

[captain jake]

Ya it was but I doubt they would be able to get clearance to do that.

[luthienberen]

Loved this ep from beginning to end. Intelligent!Jack, great costumes and young Hammond. Also a reasonable plot.

[luthienberen]

Jack: Where there's a will there's an or

Military guy: Your dogtags say otherwise.
Jack: They're lying

Nyet

I don't know how RDA gets through some of his lines when he's being interrogated without even a hint of a smile. Telling the guy he's James T. Kirk and Luke Skywalker!!!

I really like this ep, its on my frequently rewatched list! And yes, Teal'c as Hendrix - loved that.

'Nyet' had me in sitches - I didn't realise who Teal'c was dressed up and still don't, but eh, a magnifenct ep indeed!

[captain jake]

I do not believe it was there intention to single him out as hendrix. Teal'c looked like an average black male in the 60's.

[muddyalcapones]

If young Hammond meets Teal'c in 1969 and knows he's a good guy, then why is Hammond so concerned about Teal'c being a security risk in season one? (yeah, I know, give TPTB a break. They couldn't have know they'd film 1969 before season two)

[captain jake]

Congrats on 100 posts!

OK we have addressed similar issues like this throughout the thread and the fact is that he wouldn't have. It is just one of those things with a couple answers that aren't very believable. 1 is he forgot about teal'c which is not believable at all. 2 is he was acting so the time line was not altered which is slightly more believable. You can choose which one you think is most probable.

[Sheppard]

yeah its odd the future wasent altered in this episode like some of the other ones

[SamO'Neill]

This was such fun, team episode. It's episodes like this one that really have made Stargate into what it is now.

[scifi_girl]

This was such fun, team episode. It's episodes like this one that really have made Stargate into what it is now.

i agree, this episode was great. made me laugh too.

[MmmCesium]

Does anyone happen to know the Cyrillic for the "You Soviet spies?" I tried to do it myself but likely failed miserably.

[Billz]

It might be just me but did the hippies Micheal and Jennie remind anyone else of Sgt Siler and Dr Fraiser? Maybe past versions of Fraiser and Siler.

[Anonmatel]

It might be just me but did the hippies Micheal and Jennie remind anyone else of Sgt Siler and Dr Fraiser? Maybe past versions of Fraiser and Siler.
Kinda. but that would make Dr Fraiser fracking old! too old for me to fantasize about anyway!!

[Descent]

It might be just me but did the hippies Micheal and Jennie remind anyone else of Sgt Siler and Dr Fraiser? Maybe past versions of Fraiser and Siler.

I thought Michael looked a lot like Michael Shanks. Almost to the point where I thought he pulled another "Holiday" :P

[Arga]

The power of Zat guns!

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[Locutus_Of_Borg]

what about the part at the end where Jack owes Hammond like 539 and a certain amount of cents dollars :D

[LHB]

This is definitely a great episode. I was also impressed with the time they made on their cross country road trip, and also how they were able to flee with relative ease.

I thought it was hilarious when Teal'c gets into the hippie van and the hippie driver's like "You can ride up front man, it's cool," [cause Teal'c is black]. And the hippie thought he was being so open-minded. He heh.

[erinking]

I thought odd the fact that Jounior could take Teal'c over did they ever mention this Sense, if so i dont rember hearing. or was it a plot device so they had to get home

[Lida]

I thought Michael looked a lot like Michael Shanks. Almost to the point where I thought he pulled another "Holiday" :P

Oh please, if you ever get the chance, tell that to Alex Zahara. ROFL!

[Ilana]

Just love this ep. Saw it again for the 5th or 6th time today, and also wondered what happened to Michael and Jennie.

Also thought when Cassie said, "I didn't recognize you with hair", could have been said to Teal'c... it's a bit of a stretch, but whatever.

Also wondered about the observatory. Why no one was there and the boys just used it.

Doesn't matter, love this ep anyway, 'cause I really do love time travel!

[Harlan's Speechwriter]

This was a clever and fun episode. They looked so funky in the '60s clothes!

[Chaka's_Mum]

Also wondered about the observatory. Why no one was there and the boys just used it.


Ah, that was a more innocent age - back when no one ever locked their doors etc. etc. etc.

I love this episode - it has so many little 'time travel' touches, like Sam realising that the reason she had been asked by Hammond to look into the possibility of using the gate for time travel was simply to make sure she was ready to get them home from their visit to his earlier career.

How on earth does Daniel find the room inside his head for 23 different languages? Mind you, it did bite them in the butt a bit when he forgot himself and replied without hesitation to a question put to him in Russian. It's nice to be able to forget about the old days of the Cold War, but not at that moment.

I wonder how much interest had accumulated on that money that Jack 'borrowed'?:)

Also loved Michael and Jennie's 'hippy speak'. Far out!

[Harlan's Speechwriter]

I wonder how much interest had accumulated on that money that Jack 'borrowed'?:)

I thought that Hammond said about that at the end - I forget the exact figure, but it was a lot.

[Trek_Girl42]

I thought that Hammond said about that at the end - I forget the exact figure, but it was a lot.
I don't think he did say- he just stated the amount he gave Jack in 1963, and said "plus interest". :hammondanime01:

[Chaka's_Mum]

I don't think he did say- he just stated the amount he gave Jack in 1963, and said "plus interest". :hammondanime01:

I think the look on Jack's face said more than the actual amount ever could - serves him right for making rash promises in the heat of the moment!

[Harlan's Speechwriter]

I think the look on Jack's face said more than the actual amount ever could - serves him right for making rash promises in the heat of the moment!

Just as well it wasn't in the UK, or they'd have had to convert it from pounds, shillings and pence into decimal currency! ;)

[garhkal]

Though it makes you wonder how much pushing hammond did to get into the SGC generalship..

[Mio]

I've watched this episode many many many times.

I can only think of two things that explain the end.

Either what happened exists in a timeline that exists merely for fufilling the return of SG1 to 1998.

Or we have another gate on earth, probably Atlantis, parked in orbit, or out in the ocean somewhere, or back in antarctica.

[Chaka's_Mum]

Just as well it wasn't in the UK, or they'd have had to convert it from pounds, shillings and pence into decimal currency! ;)

Or, we could be in alternate timeline where we've gone into the Euro...

[garhkal]

I've watched this episode many many many times.

I can only think of two things that explain the end.

Either what happened exists in a timeline that exists merely for fufilling the return of SG1 to 1998.

Or we have another gate on earth, probably Atlantis, parked in orbit, or out in the ocean somewhere, or back in antarctica.

Why could it not have been the main SGC one.??

[Harlan's Speechwriter]

Or, we could be in alternate timeline where we've gone into the Euro...

Or an alternative timeline where America has gone into the Euro...that would be even more fun!;)

[General David Niemi]

Mmmmmm Time Travel :)

[Treebeard1213]

One has to make a lot of assumptions just to make this episode partially make sense. First of all how did things play out the very first time SG-1 was thrown back in time? The first time Hammond could not have known ahead of time what was going to happen and the younger hammond would not have believed them. So one must assume that the first time SG-1 simply lived out the rest of their lives in the past. This resulted in the current timeline. We also must assume that the first time this happened young Hammond happened to see the cut on Sam's hand. The future Hammond later realizes he has seen these people before in the past. He then assists SG-1 in order to preserve the current timeline. That's a lot of assuming right there. How was Cassandra there waiting for them the first time this all took place? I can't "assume" that part at all. This is driving me nuts!

[SoulReaver]

you'll understand - in time :|

[SaberBlade]

It was a pre-destination paradox. The whole thing is a cycle and it doesn't really have a starting point. SG1 couldn't have waited 30 odd years to tell Cassie to wait for them in the future because they never made it to the future in the first place.

In the end it's just a cycle that keeps on going in a never ending loop.

[dedalus15]

it is a good ep i like it at then end where hammond tells jack how much he owes him and a very good job you kept that note safe kudos to you george and a good casting for hammond too.:)

[ijffdrie]

is it just me, or does cassandra's device look like the furling artifact and work like the dialing wave of the nox? does that mean that we have met the furlings?

[Ozzy O'NeiLL]

is it just me, or does cassandra's device look like the furling artifact and work like the dialing wave of the nox? does that mean that we have met the furlings?

It sure does! Well it just means the PTB wanted us to know that SG-1 would eventually be able to pull all of that cool stuff of, and truly become the Fifth Race and share those cool things.

But within the 10 seasons of the series, they don't actually meet the Furlings or get that kind of technology from the Nox or anyone --- but they would, eventually. It's all just a brainteaser ^^


That being said, I love time-travel episodes, even though they make my head hurt. The whole self-fulfilling prophecy thing I still don't get, but it's just always so nice to watch, especially with the little future scene they threw in. They love to do that to us, don't they? ^^

[DocumentN]

How was Cassandra there waiting for them the first time this all took place? I can't "assume" that part at all. This is driving me nuts!
Why's it necessary to assume she was waiting for them? No matter who was at the 20xx gate the first time they came through, Carter would probably not want to learn too much about the future, and whoever happened to be at the gate might have had similar views. Maybe they were prevented from leaving by authorities suspecting a plot, until Cassandra found out and came in to resolve the situation; or maybe they just decided to try to contact someone they knew to ask them about flares.

There's also the possibility that 20xx Cassandra was ascended in one or more of the timelines.

[J_schinderlin56]

Spoilers below (I forgot how to use tags)

I just watched this last night, what's interesting to me about this scene is that the first time I watched it several years ago I noticed that Cassie used a devise similar to the ones the Knox and Asgard used to instantly open the gate. I always wondered how earth had progressed far enough to go from a bulky dialing computer to that small hand devise. Then I watched again last night and remembered that same question but this time I had the answer: They learned how to create that devise using the Asgard Core on the odyssey.

The best part of that scene though is when Cassie tells SG1 their adventure is just begining. She was sure right about that!

[SGAtlantisP60]

i liked this episode. Its a great going back in time story. i love the hippies in it .LOL

[HelloVelo]

Very groovy, man

Rating: 9/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/06/1969.html

[captain jake]

I wonder why the observatory was so unguarded, it is true that they are a secret ops team. But you would think they would run into some kind of security. My favorite parts are when they get to meet Hammond at such a young age and when the guy smoking a cigarette is interrogating SG-1, both classic moments.


Spoilers below (I forgot how to use tags)

I just watched this last night, what's interesting to me about this scene is that the first time I watched it several years ago I noticed that Cassie used a devise similar to the ones the Knox and Asgard used to instantly open the gate. I always wondered how earth had progressed far enough to go from a bulky dialing computer to that small hand devise. Then I watched again last night and remembered that same question but this time I had the answer: They learned how to create that devise using the Asgard Core on the odyssey.

The best part of that scene though is when Cassie tells SG1 their adventure is just begining. She was sure right about that!

Sure they could have taken the technology from the Asgard core, but my guess is that they found the device and gave it to Cassie. They knew that she would have to get them through the gate fast without a DHD or computer.

The real question is why would they leave a working Stargate in that abandoned facility... Let's say they had stopped using the Stargate and were only using spaceships, they would seal up the Stargate. Or let's say they are using a different gate in a separate facility, they would still have the gate sealed. The only possible way they would leave the Stargate unguarded was if they were trying to minimize their effect on SG-1. What I mean is perhaps they made it look deserted and sent Cassie in there so that SG-1 wouldn't know who else was still alive or how they were doing things. I know that it is a thin excuse, but I can't think of anything else.

[Ulkesh47]

My favorite dialogue from this episode...
"So your thing, that thing on your forehead. What's it symbolize? Peace?"

"Slavery. To false gods."

"Right on."

[captain jake]

My favorite dialogue from this episode...
"So your thing, that thing on your forehead. What's it symbolize? Peace?"

"Slavery. To false gods."

"Right on."

Ya you have to remember that this was the 60's civil rights were at a high point.

[L E E]

Is there any sci-fi show that does not have a time travel episode?

This was an interesting episode. I would have liked to see more of how the SG1, especially, Tealc would interact with 1969 culture, but since they are trying to do some damage control, they have to limit their interactions.

Tealc's 1969 outfit is pretty hilarious.

And future looks very promising!

[Abyss_908]

I haven't watched this episode in a while. It wasn't as good as I remember it. Besides the clothes, hippies, and montages it didn't really feel like they traveled through time. Some 60's music and more culture would have helped. Since the clothes were really all they had to tell us it was 1969, it seems the clothes were a bit over the top, especially Teal'c's wig or whatever that was.

[Athram]

"Is there any sci-fi show that does not have a time travel episode?"

There probably isnt, time travel is one of the most interesting parts of sci-fi, i would be dissapointed if there wasnt a time travel episode in a sci-fi series.

[pritnep]

Awesome episode! Always has been one of the my favourite episodes simply because I'm a time travel fan.

I wonder if they inspired Lt Hammond to work his way up the ranks to become a General, knowing one day that he will.

Jack had some funny comments like "Captain James T Kirk, of the Starship Enterprise."

I love the shot at the end with SG1 on the ramp in 1969 clothes, hehe they look so out of place.

[gateship15]

i love this episode i like the whole back in time thing is fantastic

[Black_Sheep]

This one was a very funny. I loved the part where O'Neill says "okay, im going to honest with you now, my name is not Cpt. Kirk, my name is Luke, Luke Skywalker" :D :D

[gateship15]

thats why i love this episode u get to see o Neill's sence of humour

[Verdande]

My favorite dialogue from this episode...
"So your thing, that thing on your forehead. What's it symbolize? Peace?"

"Slavery. To false gods."

"Right on."

Mine is:

Michael: "After the concert, me and Jenny, we’re even thinking of crossing the border up to Canada."
Teal'c: "For what reason?"
Micheal: "You know, man. The War."
Teal'c: "The war with Canada?"

[Anda]

I liked vey much the end and the disco clothes!

[RononXSpecialist]

Favorite Dialouge
Major Robert Thortan : "I'm Major Robert Thortan And You are..?"

Jack : "Coughs... Captain James T. Kirk Of the Starship Enterprise"

Major : "Your dogtags say otherwise."

Jack: "Their lieing.."

AHah thats was great xD
Good Job to Jackson Saying "Niet" (No in Soviet) the guy asked if they were Soviet Spys lol.

[gateship15]

fantastic episode i love the whole going back in time thing. i also liked that they shot Hammond to save his job lol. this is one of my faves

[Pic]

I remembered liking this episode when I first saw it years ago, and it's still pretty fantastic.

I wonder if the team was ever tempted to look up Mike & whats-her-name Jenny (the hippies) to find out what happened to them. Wonder if he went to Canada or Vietnam.

I'm a Sam/Jack shipper from way back, but I'm seeing a lot of "moments" with Sam/Daniel this time around. I could see this pairing. Especially in their 60's get-ups ~ they're so cute!

[Pic]

Since I haven't watched another episode this week (work-travel just prior to finals SUCKS!!) I'm kinda stuck on my last viewed episode.

Luckily, it's the awesomeness of 1969.


went back in time
to 1969
Hammond saved our butts
because Sam's hand was cut
we drove around in a hippy-mobile
some time on a telescope we did steal
Danny talked some really bad German
then we snuck into an armory like vermin
Sam calculated and timed it right we think
anyways, Teal'c looks groovy in pink

[VSS]

Jack's Roots hat always ruins it for me. Roots is a Canadian hat (toque?) company that wasn't around in 1969. I mean, he looks damn hot in that outfit, but couldn't they have picked a hat that didn't have "ROOTS" on it in giant letters?

[gateship15]

i agree they should have chosen a hat that fits with the time instead of just chosing a hat but i guess they just thought no one would notice or that no one would know the difference in any case they should have picked better

[AnnieS]

This is my favorite episode, so it seems like a good place to make my first post.

It had so much humor and somehow managed to stay serious. I loved Daniel's German accent. Michael Shanks did a wonderful job.

About the hippies:

Maybe in a future Episode we'll find out that Jenny and Micheal's son/daughter works at the SGC? That would be an interesting twist.

About the gate and the car batteries:

Doesn't the gate store enough energy to manually dial out once? I don't think I have the episode where they beamed the gate up and used it that way, so I can't check it to be sure. Since the gate had been in storage so long, maybe she only wanted to suppliment the energy? It could contradict 'Prisoners', so I apologize if I'm wrong.

I just saw this episode again on SPACE. Still a favorite:)!!! And like quite a few here, I have always wondered what happened to Michael and Jenny. That would be cool if one of their future children made it to work with the Stargate program!!!

[Hubble]

I just saw this episode again on SPACE. Still a favorite:)!!! And like quite a few here, I have always wondered what happened to Michael and Jenny. That would be cool if one of their future children made it to work with the Stargate program!!!

I loved the reference to "Woodstock" when Michael said they were going to some concert in upstate New York. When Daniel said they were from a galaxy far, far away and Carter and Jack shot him a dirty look. So many good moments. 1969 is one of my favorites; I just find it fun.

[gateship15]

i agree one of the best episodes

[amconway]

Poor Daniel. It's one thing to know that losing your hair is a possibility. It's another thing to find out that you are definately going to lose it, and so profoundly that it's the first thing someone comments on in a very unusual situation. Alas!

I watched this last night and it left me with a couple of questions.
How far into the future were they thrown? Cassie says 'far into the future', which makes me think she's rather older than what we would consider a normal human lifespan. She's also using some very self-contained technology to open the gate, which makes me think they have become very advanced. Or Cassie has...

The gate room is clearly out of use. Is there another gate? Why wouldn't they be using it anymore. Cassie's had device shows that not only are they still capable, but have become better at it. Or Cassie is...

What do you think?

[gateship15]

i kind of agree if she has advanced technology it might mean it is very very far in the future and it can be only her because cassie was different so because of the changes in her body when she was younger mean she could live longer or have the humans menaged to get technology to make them live longer who knows but it is possable for them to become that advanced

[amconway]

i kind of agree if she has advanced technology it might mean it is very very far in the future and it can be only her because cassie was different so because of the changes in her body when she was younger mean she could live longer or have the humans menaged to get technology to make them live longer who knows but it is possable for them to become that advanced

They didn't give us any clues at all, except that 'far into the future' remark, and the fact that they no longer use the stargate, so we'll never know, but it is interesting...

[SG Master]

Sam looked so cute in her 60's outfit and the pink sunglasses. LoL

[amconway]

They all looked pretty darn groovy. ;)

[suse]

:D Love Teal'c's wig.

[gateship15]

lol i really should watch it again it is one of my fave episodes

[balo]

I watched it for the first time today , and I loved it!

I think there's nothing wrong with timetravel in a sci-fi show !

And they used the stargate several times so I'm happy.
Young Hammond was perfect in his role.

Rating : 8/10

[gateship15]

lol i agree young Hammond was great i love how the shot him with a zat gun so he didn't get in trouble

[Butlersgate]

teal'c with a fro and dressed as hippie = awesome, the end!

[gateship15]

:) yes very good right the way thro

[shinysign]

This is one of my favorite episodes, and more for the characters and humor than anything else.

This is the type of fun episode that for me I don't worry as much about inconsistencies, for some reason I am more concerned about that in more dramatic or serious stories, or big story arcs. Ok so they lit up the Stargate with an old truck, I can write that off, I found it kind of funny. What is more important to me is that their characters were spot on and the interaction was great, season 2 and they already have it down - also the plot was really fast paced and good too, it wasn't just the characters.

This episode did not make me think very deeply about time travel - there are other movies and shows that have done this. (Yes the Hammond note thing was great but it was a paradox similar to others that have been explored in other shows).

This episode is just a ton of fun - watch it twice, you'll enjoy it more the second time (provided there is some space between watching it). Also, you have to be in the right mood for it, it is much 'lighter' than other stargate episodes, so if you want heavy action or drama, skip this one until you are looking for something funny and character driven.

[gateship15]

i agree with that

[Dinoman]

The team looks great in Hippie's costums!

[gateship15]

yes they do

[Kickoutwoolsey]

Quick question, when did sam get that cut on her hand?

[HPMom]

Quick question, when did sam get that cut on her hand?

In "One False Step" one of the aliens accidentally cuts her.

[vzzzzzbx]

When Teal'c says "I am not at liberty to divulge my identity" when the hippy says "i'm Michael" it just cracks me up every time I hear it! :D

[Coela Bellatore]

I found that the Vietnam conversation very interesting. O'Neil looked like he could have caught the tail end of Vietnam so he himself might have been drafted and served. Along with the fact of them being current military personnel, the idea of draft dodging must seem cowardly. I can see the strain in O'Neil's face to not tell that hippie son-of-a-gun to man up and do his duty.

[The Stig]

This was a good episode. Teal'c as a hippie is so cool.

[gateship15]

i agree Teal'c as a hippie is so cool and the episode is good

[HPMom]

I found that the Vietnam conversation very interesting. O'Neil looked like he could have caught the tail end of Vietnam so he himself might have been drafted and served. Along with the fact of them being current military personnel, the idea of draft dodging must seem cowardly. I can see the strain in O'Neil's face to not tell that hippie son-of-a-gun to man up and do his duty.

It's possible he wanted to tell him that he should go to Canada because the DDs are pardoned after the war.

[Jaffa-master]

Cool that the only weapon was a Zat! They are to rare!

[Coela Bellatore]

It's possible he wanted to tell him that he should go to Canada because the DDs are pardoned after the war.

I doubt Jack would have said that. Maybe Sam, definitely Daniel, but not Jack. Remember that Jack is :jack_new_anime25:

[HPMom]

I doubt Jack would have said that. Maybe Sam, definitely Daniel, but not Jack. Remember that Jack is :jack_new_anime25:

Thinking about it you're probably right. When I first saw it my initial thoughts were dodging the draft, but I have no military background what-so-ever.