Mods, if this has been done before, I couldn't find it when I did a search. If it has, obviously merge this and I'm sorry for starting a new thread in that case.
I'd like this thread to be polite and respectful. Please, no shipper or anti-shipper extremism, no bashing DDL (the actor), and no personal attacks. Anyone is welcome to post, whether they like this ship or not, provided they can do so in a mature manner. If you don't like Pete because it threatens S/J ship, or you love him because it DOES threaten S/J ship, this is not the place to voice those opinions. I'm much more interested in what you think about Sam and Pete in its own rights as a ship, and what you think about Pete in general.
I'll be honest, I really don't like Pete. My problems with Pete don't lie in his dating Sam (although, I agree that he has what I consider very negative effects on Sam's personality). I would have been FINE with Sam seriously dating Narim, Joe (the diplomat), Agent Barrett, or even Alec Colson. All of those men I respect and like, and they all have at least decent chemistry with Sam. I don't like Pete because I consider background checks a huge invasion of privacy, and I don't like people who can't respect someone's private boundaries. Plus, he was spying and following her around. Sure, he's been better since then, but his actions are unforgivable in my mind. I also don't like Pete because he thinks he's funny, but he's not, he comes off as insecure, and most of all, he just annoys the HECK out of me.
Many people have noted that Sam acts differently around Pete (in Affinity, largely), and I think this is absolutely true, and in part explains why I see their relationship as an unhealthy one. He seems controlling (jumping ahead with a proposal before they'd even discussed marriage, the stalker stuff), and I can see him turning into another Jonas (Sam's ex-fiance).
I also don't really see what common ground they share, either, to make the relationship work, beyond cops and military having some basic similarities. We've seen no indication that Sam and Pete have any shared interests (other than maybe dancing?) beyond that they both could die on the job at any time. Pete comes across as a nice guy most of the time, but I don't see what Sam's attraction to him is -- he's rather plain looking, isn't a genius or a huge hero, and doesn't seem particularily talented in any area. You might say he's funny (I disagree), and Sam does appear to laugh at his jokes, but is that enough to really carry a relationship?
Furthermore, Pete's rather forced and sudden proposal and Sam's hesitation make it obvious to me that they are not at all on the same page. Pete seems to want to get the ball rolling rather quickly, but Sam seems to be still figuring out how to juggle a relationship and work. I'd bet that as soon as they married (if they do), Pete will want to have some kids, and THAT would really interfere with Sam's career. Another issues, with the surprise proposal, is it seems they don't have the best communication. Pete didn't discuss his transfer to the Colorado Springs PD with Sam -- he just announced that it was happening. When Sam is deliberating on whether to accept Pete's proposal, she doesn't discuss her concerns with Pete, as she should.
All around the signs seem to point to Sam simply settling for Pete, after her 'I will never find love or have a family' scare in 'Grace'. He seems like an oka y guy so she figures, why not? But will Sam really be happy, and is it fair to Pete that she marry him not giving him her all, and not being absolutely totally in love with him, the way he seems to be in love with her?
I just don't see how Sam can have a happy ending with Pete. We know it doesn't have to be Jack, as we saw in 2010 -- she seemed very happy with Joe. So why has Pete been introduced? Simply to show Sam's longing, or even desperation, for love and a family?
I'd like this thread to be polite and respectful. Please, no shipper or anti-shipper extremism, no bashing DDL (the actor), and no personal attacks. Anyone is welcome to post, whether they like this ship or not, provided they can do so in a mature manner. If you don't like Pete because it threatens S/J ship, or you love him because it DOES threaten S/J ship, this is not the place to voice those opinions. I'm much more interested in what you think about Sam and Pete in its own rights as a ship, and what you think about Pete in general.
I'll be honest, I really don't like Pete. My problems with Pete don't lie in his dating Sam (although, I agree that he has what I consider very negative effects on Sam's personality). I would have been FINE with Sam seriously dating Narim, Joe (the diplomat), Agent Barrett, or even Alec Colson. All of those men I respect and like, and they all have at least decent chemistry with Sam. I don't like Pete because I consider background checks a huge invasion of privacy, and I don't like people who can't respect someone's private boundaries. Plus, he was spying and following her around. Sure, he's been better since then, but his actions are unforgivable in my mind. I also don't like Pete because he thinks he's funny, but he's not, he comes off as insecure, and most of all, he just annoys the HECK out of me.
Many people have noted that Sam acts differently around Pete (in Affinity, largely), and I think this is absolutely true, and in part explains why I see their relationship as an unhealthy one. He seems controlling (jumping ahead with a proposal before they'd even discussed marriage, the stalker stuff), and I can see him turning into another Jonas (Sam's ex-fiance).
I also don't really see what common ground they share, either, to make the relationship work, beyond cops and military having some basic similarities. We've seen no indication that Sam and Pete have any shared interests (other than maybe dancing?) beyond that they both could die on the job at any time. Pete comes across as a nice guy most of the time, but I don't see what Sam's attraction to him is -- he's rather plain looking, isn't a genius or a huge hero, and doesn't seem particularily talented in any area. You might say he's funny (I disagree), and Sam does appear to laugh at his jokes, but is that enough to really carry a relationship?
Furthermore, Pete's rather forced and sudden proposal and Sam's hesitation make it obvious to me that they are not at all on the same page. Pete seems to want to get the ball rolling rather quickly, but Sam seems to be still figuring out how to juggle a relationship and work. I'd bet that as soon as they married (if they do), Pete will want to have some kids, and THAT would really interfere with Sam's career. Another issues, with the surprise proposal, is it seems they don't have the best communication. Pete didn't discuss his transfer to the Colorado Springs PD with Sam -- he just announced that it was happening. When Sam is deliberating on whether to accept Pete's proposal, she doesn't discuss her concerns with Pete, as she should.
All around the signs seem to point to Sam simply settling for Pete, after her 'I will never find love or have a family' scare in 'Grace'. He seems like an oka y guy so she figures, why not? But will Sam really be happy, and is it fair to Pete that she marry him not giving him her all, and not being absolutely totally in love with him, the way he seems to be in love with her?
I just don't see how Sam can have a happy ending with Pete. We know it doesn't have to be Jack, as we saw in 2010 -- she seemed very happy with Joe. So why has Pete been introduced? Simply to show Sam's longing, or even desperation, for love and a family?
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