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Hudson
June 2nd, 2005, 10:59 AM
How about a REALLY big version of the zat, for disabiling ships. we have seen (i think) that it messes with computer equipment...

6thMonolith
June 2nd, 2005, 11:03 AM
Large Zats are our answer for everything. How do you think we'll get rid of the Wraith? :P :D

Hudson
June 2nd, 2005, 11:06 AM
when all else fails, make a REALLY BIG GUN.

immhotep
June 2nd, 2005, 11:09 AM
or a really good ship............

Hudson
June 2nd, 2005, 11:13 AM
or a really good ship............


....or both?!?!?!

6thMonolith
June 2nd, 2005, 11:25 AM
I'm thinking a big honkin' space gun should do. And a really big battery to run it with.

Janus
June 2nd, 2005, 11:37 AM
How about a REALLY big version of the zat, for disabiling ships. we have seen (i think) that it messes with computer equipment...

Watch Goldeneye (Bond, James Bond)...But I think we'd need a bigger blast to knock out a Wraith ship.

immhotep
June 2nd, 2005, 12:02 PM
....or both?!?!?!
or a big honkin ship with a big gun and a giant ZPM!

Janus
June 2nd, 2005, 12:06 PM
or a big honkin ship with a big gun and a giant ZPM!

Problem ! How would control the backfire on that thing. :S
We'd probably end up ramming the ship into the very planet we're trying to protect ! :eek: :S :eek:

6thMonolith
June 2nd, 2005, 12:47 PM
Just aim it AWAY from the wraith planet... :D

immhotep
June 2nd, 2005, 01:03 PM
Problem ! How would control the backfire on that thing. :S
We'd probably end up ramming the ship into the very planet we're trying to protect ! :eek: :S :eek:
inertial dampening field around the gun platform!

Avatar28
June 2nd, 2005, 07:51 PM
Oooh! That WOULD be wicked! Or how about a pure warship. ZPM powered and BRISTLING with ZPM powered beams (like on the satellite), boosted railguns (more power to get the projectiles to REALLY high speeds), maybe even ZPM powered Asgard weaponry. It also needs missile tubes firing Naquada/Naquadria enhanced nuclear missiles. The shields would all be ZPM powered and the ship about 1/2-1/3 the size of the Promethius at most. It would basically be a spaceborne gunship that you would NOT want to mess with. Let the wraith bring it cause we sure are!

Erik Pasternak
June 2nd, 2005, 09:45 PM
Oooh! That WOULD be wicked! Or how about a pure warship. ZPM powered and BRISTLING with ZPM powered beams (like on the satellite), boosted railguns (more power to get the projectiles to REALLY high speeds), maybe even ZPM powered Asgard weaponry. It also needs missile tubes firing Naquada/Naquadria enhanced nuclear missiles. The shields would all be ZPM powered and the ship about 1/2-1/3 the size of the Promethius at most. It would basically be a spaceborne gunship that you would NOT want to mess with. Let the wraith bring it cause we sure are!
And considering Earth's large supply of ZPMs, that doesn't seem to be a problem. :P

_Owen_
June 2nd, 2005, 09:50 PM
I don't know about a realy big Zat, however if you could create a large scale weapon using the same technology it might be a feasalbe option for attacking defensless ships without shields. lol. It seems as though the Zat would have no effect on an energy shield.


Owen Macri

~Thor~
June 3rd, 2005, 02:10 AM
Just give em the booby trapped ZPM ;)

_Owen_
June 3rd, 2005, 02:41 PM
That would work if you could wait for them to connect it, but if they were in a battle they couldn't really do that. Also we would have to first find some ZPMs, and then we would bassically be wasting them.

Owen Macri

Darth Buddha
June 3rd, 2005, 05:04 PM
How about a REALLY big version of the zat, for disabiling ships. we have seen (i think) that it messes with computer equipment...
Great.. the Ion Cannon from "The Empire Strikes Back"...

The idea of "phasers set for stun" in posession of the protagonists would take too much of the drama of the few space battles they do have. Therefore, I'd be all for the idea NOT scaling up. After all, electrical energy should certainly be disappated by a sheild that blocks glowing bolts of "we-know-not-what"!

_Owen_
June 3rd, 2005, 06:42 PM
Great.. the Ion Cannon from "The Empire Strikes Back"...

The idea of "phasers set for stun" in posession of the protagonists would take too much of the drama of the few space battles they do have. Therefore, I'd be all for the idea NOT scaling up. After all, electrical energy should certainly be disappated by a sheild that blocks glowing bolts of "we-know-not-what"!
We can assume that the Zat blast is pure electrical energy, it would cause great pain to any physical subject that it was used upon, and it would overload any mechanical equipment that it was used upon. There is one problem, if indeed the Zat blast is electrical energy than there should theoretically be burns all over the body. However we do know that the Zat uses a lower voltage power source, this could control the energy output per blast, so it could simply inflict great pain and not leave any physical markings.

There we go, once again I have proven myself, wrong, and then right again in the same paragraph, I seem to be good at that. lol.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
June 4th, 2005, 03:52 PM
Wrong then right, eh? (uses Omega's :huh:smiley) If it's electrical, then how can it disintegrate?

_Owen_
June 4th, 2005, 09:48 PM
We are not one hundred percent sure how the disintegration function works, but seeing as after being shocked with electrical energy some will still remain inside the body. If there is an electrical energy build up within the effected matter it could burn the heat the body intensly and vaporize it. However this seems like another hole in, so now, right, wrong, right, wrong. Give me a second I will come up with a right...

Ok, maybe the energy is not electrical but a type similar that we don't know how to use yet. The energy will act like electrical energy when fired into a mechanical mechanism, shorting out circuts, etc. The energy is of a low modulation, so it will not kill on first shot unless the person is already weakend, the first shot will just cause great pain like an electrical pulse. The second shot will then cause death unless the person is protected by some shielding mechanism, is really strong, etc. The second shot will kill by taking advantage of the weakend physical state and the built up charge of energy in the body, causing death. The third shot will take advantage of the energy built up by the first two shots, the energy build up in the body/other matter, will then overload the confines of the matter, there will be more energy than the matter can confine. Now instead of the enrgy slowly pulsing out, it willd quickly expand, the energy will cause the molecules to loose cohesion, the molecules will fall apart and the immense heat energy realeased by the overload will cause the individual molecules to be vaporized. The reason no conecting matter is effected by this is because the energy will be confined by the single discrete unit of matter, it won't be spread, and when it overloads, all of the energy will be used in as heat energy, in the vaporization of the molecules.

Allthough the energy is a completley unique form it does strongly resemble electrical energy in many ways.

Right? Right! lol.

Owen Macri

Darth Buddha
June 5th, 2005, 06:28 AM
How can it stun, kill, and then disintegrate various targets of different size reliably with one and two shots respectively? Bad scifi science, that's how. What would disable, say, Teal'c, should have killed his son Ryac outright.

How does it disintegrate on the third shot? Even worse scifi science. So bad I don't worry about it any more... the more you think about it, the more it will undermine enjoying the story.

I prefer my shows to have GOOD scifi science, but a little schlock just has to be tolerated.

_Owen_
June 5th, 2005, 06:58 AM
There was one other idea that I had. What if the Zat is intuitive, it has sensors and an internal computer of some sort. The sensors are constaltly scanning, when you aim the Zat at any discrete unit of matter it will scan it first to see check its size so that it could apply the nesecary charge to the blast, which would just be electrical energy, the only reason that it might kil on the first shot is if the person was already weakend, the sensors are not advanced they simply scan for left over charge. On the third shot, if the Zat detects the residual charge from two shot the third shot will be a diffrent kind of energy which will disintegrate. The third shot alone could disintegrate matter, but the Zat has to know that the matter it is going to fire on has already had two shots to it, then the third shot, the diffrent type of energy will be released, which disintegrates, vaporizes, whatever you please.

Owen Macri

Darth Buddha
June 5th, 2005, 07:21 AM
Sounds more complex than the Goa'uld have at their disposal. Staff weapons aren't handheld scanners... why should Zats be? More importantly, if they had that kind of capability, you KNOW Carter would have mentioned it by now.

Now the HAND DEVICE I could see having that sophistication. But not a "basic" sidearm.

_Owen_
June 5th, 2005, 07:41 AM
Like I have said before, The Zat could be an Ancient weapon that the Goa'uld simply stole...

Staff weapons don't need it, they have on setting, scare and kill. The Staff weapons fire a very intense energy burst that will burn its' victims, and kill them if the damage is bad enough, but they can't decided wheter or not to kill or stun them. The staff weapon doesn't need sensors.

You are right, Carter definetly would have mentioned it, but she also should have mentioned how it works, there are a lot of things that Carter hasn't mentioned that she should have. Maybe even she doesn't know how it works, maybe she never really got to examine one, and/or she doesn't understand it. Allthough it would seem that they would have disected one by now...

If indeed the Goa'uld stole the technology from the Ancients, there is no reason why they should use it as a basic sidearm, to the Ancients it would have been easy to master this technology, and if the Goa'uld could just steal and call it thiers, why not use it as a sidearm.

Owen Macri

Rioko Avalon
June 9th, 2005, 04:55 PM
"Excuse me I have to go blow up something." -Jack.

_Owen_
June 9th, 2005, 05:00 PM
LOL!

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
June 10th, 2005, 07:46 AM
In regard to a big honking Zat gun to use against enemy ships..... wouldn't a Zat blast power up the enemy ship??.......as Jack does to the cargo ship (in Lost City) by Zatting the crystals to make it go faster.....

Maybe it depends on the size of the blast......and if i can get passed the energy shields.......d'oh now i'm all confused.......

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 01:10 PM
It is likley the energy would have no effect and simply be absorbed by the shields. The energy is only meant to cause pain and kill and vaporize, it is negligible that it would have any effect on the ship. It is also questionable that the third shot would vaporize the ship. The third shot vaporizes matter, you would be firing at an energy shield.

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
June 10th, 2005, 03:00 PM
Random thought.........

When going up against Goa'uld ships we should strap big honking naquadah enhanced nukes to Nintendos to get past the shields..... cos we all know that "Nintendos pass through everything"!!!!

Clever 'ole Jack huh??!! :)

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 03:09 PM
Lol, a "nintendo" is a subatomic particle, how do you suggest strapping a nuke to it? lol.

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
June 10th, 2005, 03:17 PM
Well.....i was envisioning the more comedic strapping of a nuke onto a games console.....

Pretty funny when you think of it ;)

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 03:25 PM
You are right, that is pretty funny, I would watch that! lol!

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
June 10th, 2005, 03:31 PM
Seriously though...... a powerful enough shot from a Zat like weapon could have a chance..... Would need to have enough energy of its own to overload the shields in some way.........or be at an energy wavelength to pass through the frequency oscillations of the shield.........or even a projectile weapon that was travelling fast enough to pass through the frequency oscillations, like the guys when they were hopped up on Atoniek armbands. But i guess that only works if the ships shields work on the same principles as other Goa'uld shields.....

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 03:44 PM
Those shields used sensors, if they sensed someone the shields activated, they managed to run faster than the information could be transfered to the shield generators.

Or, the weapon could be phase shifted, this idea has much potential.

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
June 10th, 2005, 04:45 PM
Hmmmmm......phase-shifting.......I didn't think of that one........Maybe we should give the Re'tu a call and see what they got weapons wise.

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 06:38 PM
Well I wasn't exactly thinking like that, I was thinking of either a device on the weapon that emits a field that phase shifts the weapon so it can pass right through the shields and possibley the hull if you want to, then it will phase back in and blow them up.

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
June 10th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Or maybe fill a cargo ship full of big honking nukes and fly it towards the ship....before you hit the shields open a hyperspace window, jump into hyperspace for a tiny amount of time, and then jump back to normal space (similar to the trick in Fail Safe). Viola, right through the shields, and maybe even into the heart of the ship!!! Set off your nukes and adios Goa'uld........

Of course this would be a suicide mission unless you had a remote controlled ship........hmmmmmm

_Owen_
June 10th, 2005, 08:35 PM
Yes, this is another popular idea. It would not be hard to control the ship remotley...

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
June 11th, 2005, 10:04 AM
Yeah, I'm sure some Asgard tech would let us do that.....

PrimalAscended
June 11th, 2005, 10:05 AM
Actually, its a shame the Tollan aren't around anymone.......their phase shift tech would be perfect!!!

Hudson
June 11th, 2005, 10:20 AM
Just install windows ME on the ships computers, then count to 12... :D

_Owen_
June 11th, 2005, 10:11 PM
Yeah, I'm sure some Asgard tech would let us do that.....
Yes, they did that with The O'Neill.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
June 11th, 2005, 10:12 PM
Actually, its a shame the Tollan aren't around anymone.......their phase shift tech would be perfect!!!
You are right, it is small, and versitile. However you would need to attach some type of remote control. Besides, I am sure some other race has phase shifting technology.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
June 11th, 2005, 10:14 PM
Just install windows ME on the ships computers, then count to 12... :D
XP, has its' fair share of problems. As well as this damn thing called the Blue Screen Of Death, I don't know if you have heard of it, but you don't want it, it is terrible! That would kill thier computers no problem!

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
June 13th, 2005, 09:49 AM
Possible spoiler Season 7
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Just watched the start of season 7 again on DVD (Fallen/Homecoming) and they used that quick burst in hyperspace idea to get through Anubis's shields............WOW....

Now I don't know whether I made that up myself or just have a great subconscious memory...........damn!!!! ;)

_Owen_
June 13th, 2005, 12:59 PM
Yes, the quick hyperspace jump is an efficient way to penetrate shielding, especialy when in a ship.

Owen Macri

PrimalAscended
June 13th, 2005, 07:07 PM
However.............killer magnetic nuclear nintendos would be way cooler ;)

_Owen_
June 13th, 2005, 09:07 PM
Lol, attached to T.V.s with Super Mario running! lol.

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
June 14th, 2005, 01:35 PM
Super Mario: "It's-a-me, a-Mario!"
Ba'al: "Ah, Blast! Super Mario, my arch enemy, we meet again!"

_Owen_
June 14th, 2005, 04:49 PM
"Eh, Lugi, get-a your but over here!"

Owen Macri

6thMonolith
June 14th, 2005, 04:53 PM
Lord Ba'al's one weakness: being jumped upon. :P

_Owen_
June 14th, 2005, 04:55 PM
Lol, and he doesn't have a strong head so whenever he tries to jump to hit those boxes, he always gets a red mushroom and looses a turn.

Owen Macri

Quakerbone
June 20th, 2005, 02:25 PM
Back to the destroying ships idea for the Wraith...

Lure the Wraith fleet to any deserted (for safety purposes) system with a space-bound 'Gate. Then use a jumper to push the gate into the nearest star, and wait for it to be immersed in the sun's energy. With that much energy, dialing the Milky Way (using the remote DHD) should be easy. Once that's confirmed, redial for the Black Hole Planet. Repeat what happened with Apophis's fleet, and use the hyperspace-amplifying wave to get back to Earth if that's still a problem.

_Owen_
June 20th, 2005, 02:40 PM
Lol, that is a good idea, it would probably work. The only problem is it would only work once, but if you managed somehow to get all of the wraith there it would be a good idea. With the primitiveness of the Wraith technology, I doubt they would be able to get into hyperspace fast enough.

Another problem would be you would have to calculate the exact time to enter hyperspace and the exact distance from the star, the calculations would have to be exact, otherwise you could overshoot Earth by a galaxy or two.

The idea is relativly ingenious!

Owen Macri

Quakerbone
June 20th, 2005, 05:35 PM
That's the genius of it! Drawing them there is easy- What would they want more than an open wormhole to the Milky Way?! The time for them to gather would be a problem-But if the Wraith knew this might be their only chance, they would take it, and try to send through as many darts as possible.

CORRECTION- Sorry- forgot that jumpers do not appear to have hyperdrives, and cannot harness the nova wave.

_Owen_
June 20th, 2005, 07:07 PM
Yes, but they could use the Daedalus, the puddle jumpers would also have to carry a gate, which wouldn't work, because the gate would not exactly fit inside, it is the other way around.

Owne Macri

Halo
June 24th, 2005, 10:32 PM
they could always try and use the f302 again...

_Owen_
June 24th, 2005, 10:37 PM
they could always try and use the f302 again...
Of course, and I'm sure they could come up with a tractor beam.

Owen Macri

Halo
June 24th, 2005, 10:42 PM
im sure the asgard have one or something like it. how else could they tow prommie in "unnatural selection"

_Owen_
June 24th, 2005, 10:44 PM
Oh, ya, the Asgard definetly have them, there is no question about it.

Owen Macri

Halo
June 24th, 2005, 10:54 PM
or they could just blast some stuff

_Owen_
June 24th, 2005, 10:56 PM
Lol, I guess that would work.

Owen Macri

briguy213
July 1st, 2005, 07:08 PM
Are ZAT's electricity or some kind of energy that isnt electricity. Because if it is elecricity, why cant we make stuff disinigrate by electricuting it?

_Owen_
July 3rd, 2005, 08:21 PM
It has never been specifically stated what type of energy is in use, in the Zats. I believe I posted on this subject previously.

Owen Macri