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    How can the Nox and ancients and asguard, Open the gate without dialing?

    The nox, ancients and asguard, can all open the gate without using a DHD or other dialing device, how can they do this. Do they have some sort of interface with the Stargate? Ok the ancients, are basically energy and built the stargates, so they have an excuse, but how do the nox and asguard do it by waving their arms, or pressing a button, like thor does. How?




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    #2
    Originally posted by beale947
    The nox, ancients and asguard, can all open the gate without using a DHD or other dialing device, how can they do this. Do they have some sort of interface with the Stargate? Ok the ancients, are basically energy and built the stargates, so they have an excuse, but how do the nox and asguard do it by waving their arms, or pressing a button, like thor does. How?




    O'NEILL: O'neill:- "I think we've already established that wouldn't have worked out either. No, it's time for plan B."
    Carter:- "We have a Plan B?
    O'neill:- "No...but it's time for one."

    remote dialling.
    Perhaps technology embedded in their bodies, like the crystal in the hand of the Asgard who wipes the Ancient Knowledge from O'neill.
    We know that Ancient tech has a mental component, maybe asgard and nox have something equivilant??

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      #3
      We have assumed that the Nox have some sort of natural power that allows them, an assortment of powers, such as the healing power and transporting power. It is possible that they can interact directly with technology, through some sort of mind link.

      As for the Asgard, they could have some sort of dialing device in another section of the building, or they could have mechanical devices impanted into thier bodies that allow interaction directly with technology, like the Nox only through artifical means.

      Owen Macri

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        #4
        well we have seen that the ancients designed remote dialers, the puddle jumpers have them, so all the asgard and nox have done is miniaturized them. the only time we have seen wires or cables connect the DHD and the gate was in "48 Hours" when we jury rigged it, so the DHD probably sends some sort of signal instead of being a hardwired connection. if you figure out a way to duplicate sending that signal, instant remote dialer.

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          #5
          We already know how the DHD communicates with the Stargate, it sends electrical impulses to the Stargate, which is relatively simple, so it shouldn't be to hard to create another dialing device, all that you would need to know is what function each electrical impulse activates.

          Owen Macri

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            #6
            We've also seen that the Asgard/Nox/Ancients can dial out without having the "Kawoosh" effect happen on our end. They must have some knowledge of the gate system that allows them dial without that safeguard in place.
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              #7
              We've seen that device quite a bit. It doesn't create a 'vortex'(fine, Owen, you win ), and just opens an event horizon with a wave of the hand. It's probably similar to a handheld DHD.

              Just a quick question, when have we seen the device used when the planet that the wormhole is connected to is the planet that just dialed in? In other words, the bend in space still might be present, so forming a wormhole might not require a 'vortex'. In The Fifth Race, O'neill was sent back to earth, where he came from. And in 1969, SG-1 was sent back to the planet that they had just dialed(although there is quite a time difference.) Just a thought.
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                #8
                Actually the SGC managed to open the gate once without the vortex. When Teal'c was trapped inside the stargate's crystal memory, they had to screw around with the Russian DHD to get the gate to open without the vortex. They did it, and Teal'c stepped out. Destroyed the DHD in the process though... The Vortex isn't a necessary occurence for the gate to open, just a usual one. Sort of like a side effect, of normal operation rather than some sort of result to improper usage. The wormhole itself exist almost entirely outside of normal space/time. When the gate shuts off, you can even see the even horizon sort of getting 'sucked' out of normal space. (That white foamy rapids looking thing when the gate shuts off) Apparently, Earth will learn how to do it eventually too... because Cassandra did it in "1969".
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                  #9
                  That was only one possible future, and just by being there and watching Cassandra open the gate, they changed thier destinies.

                  However I agree the stargate does not need the vortex to form.

                  Owen Macri

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Owen Macri
                    That was only one possible future, and just by being there and watching Cassandra open the gate, they changed thier destinies.

                    However I agree the stargate does not need the vortex to form.

                    Owen Macri
                    Not really, because they didn't actually change anything. They did exactly what they were supposed to do, and Cassandra didn't tell them anything that could change that possible future (which is a good reason why everything was covered up... so as not to give anything away). All she told them, was that Carter was going to tell her what happened for her to be there to intercept them, and Carter is/was likely to do that anyways. So that possible future, is still very possible. Nothing has happened to suggest it will change. In anycase we don't know enough about that possible future to know if it had been changed.
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                      #11
                      Why can the open the gate without dialing? Because (to paraphrase Jack) they're waaaaay smarter than we are. The both have been shown to have technological and/or mental capabilities beyond us, so I think it just falls into that catagory.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Owen Macri
                        That was only one possible future, and just by being there and watching Cassandra open the gate, they changed thier destinies.

                        However I agree the stargate does not need the vortex to form.

                        Owen Macri
                        Oops...! Disregard. I thought I had lost my previous post, because my web browser wouldn't show the page. So I thought I had to redo the whole thing. Obviously I was wrong. Sorry..!!!

                        Not really. They didn't do anything to change anything, and they didn't know enough about the future to change their actions leading up to it. There is still an extremely good chance that particular future was still going to happen. The gateroom was all covered up, so they couldn't see anything specific to prevent them from actually knowing enough to change the future. All they knew, was that Cassie was old, and she was handling some really advanced hand-do-hicky...
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                          #13
                          The fact still remains that with every desicion that they have made since that episode they have most likley altered that possible future.

                          Owen Macri

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Owen Macri
                            The fact still remains that with every desicion that they have made since that episode they have most likley altered that possible future.

                            Owen Macri
                            Not really, because they'd already been there. It was a sort of time loop. The future was sort of assured by the fact that Cassandra had already been told what was going to happen, and she is going to be told precisely the same thing again. I think, this is going to be one of those things we're just going to have to agree to disagee on. It really doesn't matter though, because we'll never find out.
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                              #15
                              If they simply wen to the future in "1969" and that was the end the rest of the universe never used time travel or time manipulation again, than yes that future would be certain, however since then they have experienced and seen the effects of time travel more than once. We also can not account for the actions of every being in the universe, there could have been countless time travel incidents that we do not know of.

                              Owen Macri

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