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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 212</FONT>
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While SG-1 tries to form an alliance with the Tok'ra, a spy betrays the rebels to the Goa'uld. Jacob Carter finds that the Tok'ra may be his only hope of survival. (Part 2 of 2)

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Nolamom

May 7th, 2004, 06:59 PM

One of my all-time favorite episodes. Not only the very sexy (albeit ill) Jacob, but the adorable Martouf as well. Anywho - the whole storyline of the Tok'ra is fun.
Nmom

JakeDeuxPointZero

May 7th, 2004, 08:28 PM

Yeah... definitely a classic episode that began our relationship with one of our greatest allies.

Sela

May 8th, 2004, 11:10 AM

Not only the very sexy (albeit ill) Jacob, but the adorable Martouf as well.
Nmom

I'm glad to see that I am not the only one who would jump Sam's dad if I had half a chance. He is very very sexy. I guess I just love the seasoned military types.

KorbenDirewolf

May 9th, 2004, 05:16 PM

greatest allies? I guess you could call them that, but they've not really done all that much. Be better off without them.

angsty_otaku

May 10th, 2004, 12:45 PM

the ep. was a great way to introduce a new allie and help develop more storylines :-p plus the characters that were introduced have been integral to the stargate universe...go jacob! go martouf! (:-/)

Jeff O'Connor

May 19th, 2004, 11:18 AM

Especially Jacob. Jacob/Selmak is/are my favorite guest stars whenever they show up. They rock!

Selmak

July 10th, 2004, 07:33 PM

It was cool when Jacob blended with Selmak.

Selmak

July 15th, 2004, 05:18 PM

Holly Hanna!

SeaBee

July 20th, 2004, 02:29 PM

Good ep, but how is Jacobs disappearance explained to the wages clerk and the guy who pays out the pension?

KorbenDirewolf

July 20th, 2004, 11:01 PM

I'm guessing that he "died of cancer".

Selmak

July 26th, 2004, 05:40 PM

In future episode he retained his position as general (seth) and reunited with his son (seth)... it wouldn't make sense to say that he died.

Asgard Buddy

August 17th, 2004, 05:55 AM

Holly Hanna!
It was just so much fun seeing his reactions to everything. :p And it's great that Selmak (the symbiote, not the forum user) has such a great sense of humor and it's quite obvious that they're going to enjoy their many years together.

Also, I really liked it when Sam got to talk to Martouf and learn more about the mysterious Jolinar that had posessed her. And boy am I glad that Martouf explained the whole thing and how it was they were in love. But then at the same time it's really sad that he lost her.

LMichelle

October 8th, 2004, 01:16 PM

I just saw this ep this week. I knew Jacob became a Tok'ra, but didn't know why. I mean that's a lot of explain to someone all at once. Sam was offering up her father pretty quickly as an answer to the Tok'ra's problems. However, she was desperate and didn't want to lose her dad. I understand. I didn't want to lose mine either.

Anyway, very emotional scenes between Sam and Jacob. Amanda and Carmen did a good job. :)

Lisa Michelle

Major Fischer

October 8th, 2004, 01:20 PM

I rather like Selmak's previous host too...

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman

October 21st, 2004, 06:17 PM

I loved the Tok'ra two parter. It was really interesting plot wise and all.

I love Martouf :D

Spiderman

October 23rd, 2004, 02:48 AM

Great episode :D I'll have to see it again sometime because it's been a while when I saw that episode again.I'll watch it tonight :D

zats

October 30th, 2004, 02:00 PM

I'm glad to see that I am not the only one who would jump Sam's dad if I had half a chance. He is very very sexy. I guess I just love the seasoned military types.

I am so TOTALLY staying out of this one...

ShimmeringStar

February 28th, 2005, 11:43 AM

MF, I like Selmak's host too. Wise, but very humorous. Too bad there wasn't time for more banter between her and Jacob. Jacob (to Selmak): "You don't look so good." Selmak's retort: "You are no vision of beauty yourself, sir!" :p

Even though this was a 2 parter some parts (like above) seemed rushed (15 seconds of this backstory, 15 seconds of this present arc, 15 more seconds to introduce a future arc)... but it was nice to have Jacob admit he was a pain in the bottom and that he was proud of Sam and her accomplishments.

Chaka's_Mum

March 3rd, 2005, 11:53 PM

I agree. It would have been interesting to have a bit more time to see how the blending affected both Jacob and Selmak. We do pick things up a bit as the episode (and later seasons) progresses, but it would have been interesting to find out things like, how do they communicate with one another directly? Is it through some form of connection in the brain? I suppose it must be, but it would be fascinating to know how much of each minds' personal thoughts are directly broadcasted to the other. I'm not sure that some of the things I think about are suitable for the ears of another... ;)

Plus, at the end of the ep, Jacob says that he knows that his mouth is moving, but he doesn't hear the words - I suppose Selmak teaches him how to listen to what's coming out of his mouth when Selmak's doing the talking.

It just would've been nice to have time to see some of this learning curve, I guess - even though a lot of it would have been invisible because it was going on largely in Jacob's head.

Having said that, I thoroughly enjoyed this episode (and part 1) because we finally got to meet the Tok'ra after hearing about them from Jolinar, and we get to hear a bit more of Jolinar's history, too.

SmartFox

March 20th, 2005, 05:26 PM

2 of my favorite charachters came out of this ep. Jacob and Martouf. Of course both are now dead.

PugGate

May 9th, 2005, 06:44 PM

I liked the whole "I know who the spy is" scene between Jack and Garshaw.

PugGate

May 11th, 2005, 06:53 PM

I don't understand how Kordesh managed to switch hosts. The women that he jumped into must have already had a symbiote within her. Any ideas?

mightydefiant

July 12th, 2005, 03:58 PM

We know that they can forceably (is that a word?) remove a Goa'uld/Tok'ra in Pretense, so I guess that he did that before jumping host, then the question is what did he do with the Tok'ra?

KorbenDirewolf

July 13th, 2005, 10:34 AM

Dropped it in a closing tunnel?

Amon_Ra

July 13th, 2005, 12:06 PM

As far as i know the host was free to do as it wanted, and chose to kill itself in the tunnels that were closing as punishment for what it's symbiote did.

zats

July 13th, 2005, 03:21 PM

In atonement might be closer than punishment, but yeah, same concept.

Heru'urs_first_prime

August 2nd, 2005, 01:28 AM

As far as i know the host was free to do as it wanted, and chose to kill itself in the tunnels that were closing as punishment for what it's symbiote did.

honrable yet stupid man

it was a cool effect though

Chaka's_Mum

August 2nd, 2005, 03:59 AM

To me, it seems quite bizarre that someone would consider the actions of another being to be a suitable argument for killing themselves - after all, it's not like the host had any options while the symbiote was in charge. But you could argue that his judgement is not at its sharpest at that moment in time.

After all, he's just been abandoned by a Goa'uld symbiote, so he's both disgusted at what he's done (albeit unwillingly) and probably revolted by the experience of being a host to the nasty little reptile. Add the two of those together and throw an emergency situation into the mix, and that's not exactly going to result in rational, objective thinking on the part of the ex-host. From his point of view (not mine, I hasten to add), the Tok'ra base is under attack, and he was responsible for it. Factor in the diminution of his rational thinking processes and it's almost inevitable that he's going to do something extremely rash. Unfortunately, in this case, the rash act was also a terminal one.

Either that or Garshaw is a far more intimidating individual than we ever realised... :eek:

Heru'urs_first_prime

August 3rd, 2005, 04:49 AM

Either that or Garshaw is a far more intimidating individual than we ever realised... :eek:

HE'S AN UNDER COVER GOA'LD!

Chaka's_Mum

August 4th, 2005, 03:33 AM

I hadn't forgotten that - honest, Heru'ur's First Prime! ;)

My post was based on the argument that the Goa'uld Kordesh has abandoned the host and moved on to another one - leaving the ex-host to fend for himself.

Of course, the alternative is that Kordesh hasn't moved on, merely 'passed the baton' on to another embedded Goa'uld (the one with the female host). He gets cornered, thinks 'Oh, [insert appropriate rude word here] they've found me out - if they think they're gonna get anything out of me they can stuff it. Bugger the host' and lets the tunnel swallow the pair of them up. It's quite possible that it won't be as horrible a death for the symbiote as it is for the host, so Kordesh doesn't care.

If we assume that, though, it leaves us with the rather awkward premise of there being two Goa'uld operatives hiding in the Tok'ra base - and that begs some pretty serious questions about Tok'ra security issues...

Heru'urs_first_prime

August 5th, 2005, 12:58 AM

aah, they can't all perfect :D

zats

August 5th, 2005, 06:35 AM

Offhand, the Tok'ra seem to have security issues coming out their ears. Remember 'Summit' and 'Last Stand', not to mention 'Death Knell' and a whole host [pun not intended] of other eps? Perhaps the 'open' atmosphere of their society actually encourages secrecy, instead of discouraging it--hence the numerous security problems.

Perriman33

August 6th, 2005, 11:09 PM

I'm glad they had this two-parter on the Tokra as it covered a lot of background on them. I think jacob (the serious one) and martouf (he who grins like a loon) were great. I think they had an instant likeableness(?) which made later episodes, which they were in, a lot more enjoyable.
It was also a good episode for sam as she had an interest outside of SG1 for the story to focus on. :)

Chaka's_Mum

August 7th, 2005, 11:01 PM

I always got a bit nervous of Martouf when he smiled - it often looked as though he was about to go for someone's neck...

While that sounds like I don't like him - don't get me wrong, I do. Without him, the alliance between the Tok'ra and the Tauri might well never have got off the ground at all. I suppose there's an element of personal involvement on his part, what with Sam having been Jolinar's final host, but he still went out to bat for them. Given how the Tok'ra first viewed the Tauri visitors, that was a bit of a leap in the dark.

He's another character I'll always welcome on my TV screen. :)

Heru'urs_first_prime

August 8th, 2005, 02:20 AM

[QUOTE=Chaka's_Mum]I always got a bit nervous of Martouf when he smiled - it often looked as though he was about to go for someone's neck...

QUOTE]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now that u say that it kinda does doesn't it! LOL!

Matt G

August 24th, 2005, 04:13 PM

Oi oi people! Matt G needs more help with his website(a preliminary version of which should HOPEFULLY be online on the weekend).

Problem: Tok'ra part 2 is the only SG1 ep that I have NEVER seen in full(this is what happens when you watch S2 out of sequence, you get to know Jacob pretty well BEFORE you're introduced to him for the first time. Nuff said). Therefore, I am not really in a position to do a detailed episode synopsis for this ep(relying completely on a transcript would kinda take the mick IMO). So if anyone is up for writing a GOOD synopsis for this ep, either pm or email me.

Thanks in advance

.:Lemon:.

September 4th, 2005, 06:37 AM

2 of my favorite charachters came out of this ep. Jacob and Martouf. Of course both are now dead.

Mine too. Jacob especially. I thought Martouf was a nice character, but Jacob was one of my all time favourites. I'll miss him alot

Stricken

September 8th, 2005, 02:18 AM

Good second part, well scripted and well acted a very good episode

walter_MacChevron

September 13th, 2005, 07:36 PM

I thought it was a lot better than the first part

GLink

December 24th, 2005, 09:46 AM

The better of the two parts. It was nice to see the beginning of Jacob Carter as a Tok'ra.

captain jake

May 9th, 2006, 04:02 PM

Yep I loved how his arthritis was gone after the blending.

Pharaoh Atem

July 2nd, 2006, 08:04 PM

captain jake

July 4th, 2006, 12:36 AM

Ya we finally have a totaly useless relationship, didn't I just say that was a good scene?

Chaka's_Mum

July 4th, 2006, 10:23 PM

it was great to see that to tok'ra finally decided to join with us and seeing selmak blend with jacob was a good scene and i like the part after he got off the table and was happy his illness where cured

Knowing the Tok'ra as we do, I suspect they probably see it more as letting us join with them!;)

All a matter of perception, I suppose...:)

captain jake

July 6th, 2006, 02:01 PM

Knowing the Tok'ra as we do, I suspect they probably see it more as letting us join with them!;)

All a matter of perception, I suppose...:)

Yes I would have to agree with you on that one the tok'ra are no better than the gou'ald in many ways.

Chaka's_Mum

July 6th, 2006, 10:25 PM

Yes I would have to agree with you on that one the tok'ra are no better than the gou'ald in many ways.

Say that in front of a Tok'ra. Go on. I dare you!;) :D ;)

It's a good point, though. The insufferable self-importance in particular. Whether they like it or not, they've got it!

captain jake

July 6th, 2006, 10:32 PM

Say that in front of a Tok'ra. Go on. I dare you!;) :D ;)

It's a good point, though. The insufferable self-importance in particular. Whether they like it or not, they've got it!

They are kinda like a mix of the tolan and the gou'ald. hahahahaha (I crack myself up)

Sheppard

July 19th, 2006, 08:48 PM

Say that in front of a Tok'ra. Go on. I dare you!;) :D ;)

It's a good point, though. The insufferable self-importance in particular. Whether they like it or not, they've got it!

if you said that in front of the tok'ra they would probely kill you lol they are always protective about that stuff

Pharaoh Atem

July 26th, 2006, 05:40 AM

glad to see Jacob doing ok after this season 8 spoiler sadly he died years later

Chaka's_Mum

January 29th, 2007, 04:20 AM

I imagine it was a bit of an interesting experience for Selmak given that the previous host was a woman!

It was a nice way of bridging the gap between the Tok'ra and the Humans, though I can't help wondering how it felt for Sam.

1) Jacob is dying of cancer - she is about to lose him.
2) Jacob receives Tok'ra symbiote and is cured - she gets him back.
3) Jacob joins up with the rest of the Tokra - she loses him anyway (sort of).

Okay, so he's not gone permanently, but it's not as if he's going to be able to drop by on a regular basis and, now that the rift in their relationship has healed, she doesn't even get the chance to spend more time with him because he's gone off with the Tok'ra, and she won't know where he is, what he's doing or when (or, indeed, if) she'll see him again.

Not an easy one for Sam, I think.

Harlan's Speechwriter

April 8th, 2007, 12:57 AM

It was great to have a more in-depth character study of the Tok'ra after In the Line of Duty, but I'm still not 100% certain about them; there's still something about them which makes me feel uneasy (I don't think it's just the symbiote/host issue) but I can't quite put my finger on it. I'm sure all will be revealed as I watch my way through the seasons.

As others have said, it would have been good to see more of Jacob learning to live as a Tok'ra, though I guess we'd already seen something of that when Jolinar was inside Sam.

The relationship between Sam and Jacob seems complex. They obviuosly love each other deeply, but seem to get on each other's nerves quite easily. Maybe they're happier being apart, but knowing that the other is happy and doing what they want. It's a shame they haven't got a secure means of keeping in touch though.

MFA

April 8th, 2007, 07:22 PM

Hi!

It's fun to see the Tok'ra show up in later episodes. And they drive Jack up the wall just a bit. It's always fun watching their exchanges.

The Sam/Jacob relationship has always been one of my favorites, and they do explore this later on too. I just wish they had done more.

MFA

marty2006

April 9th, 2007, 02:55 PM

yea i wish jacob had been around more he was a cool character

Chaka's_Mum

April 10th, 2007, 12:30 AM

Indeed. Jacob is one of my favourite recurring characters - he brings a touch of 'modern earth bloke' to the stiff formality of the Tok'ra.

There is, after all, so much we don't actually know about how the Symbiote and Host blend. All we have is what we have been told.

Martouf says in Tok'ra part 1 that they live in true symbiosis - which is all very well, but how do they settle on the day to day stuff like communication? It seems to be very much an individual kind of thing - Garshaw/Yosuuf seems so speak largely through Garshaw when addressing the Tauri, whereas Martouf/Lantash (once the initial introductions are out of the way) speaks through Martouf. Why is this? Does Lantash feel that he and his host will be more 'acceptable' to the Tauri if Martouf speaks for them? What about Garshaw? Does she feel that her and Yosuuf's authority will be undermined if she doesn't? What happens if they disagree on this?

If each feels the other's emotions, then they must live almost completely in each other's minds. How does someone get used to that? Do they each have a place to withdraw to for some 'time out' or are they inescapably intertwined? How does someone who is used to their own space deal with suddenly having their every thought on display to someone else who can speak independently of them?

It would be interesting to find out, though I suspect that it will be something that can only really be explored in the fanfic realm.

Harlan's Speechwriter

April 10th, 2007, 01:17 PM

I certainly wouldn't like to be the Tokra's psychologist...;)

Trek_Girl42

April 10th, 2007, 06:07 PM

I certainly wouldn't like to be the Tokra's psychologist...;)
That would have to be one hec of a high-paying profession.....and a highly required one. :P

Chaka's_Mum

April 10th, 2007, 11:07 PM

Best of all, given that each of them feels what the other is feeling, you could charge double for your time!

I'd get my coat - but I've only just got here...

Harlan's Speechwriter

April 11th, 2007, 01:29 PM

Best of all, given that each of them feels what the other is feeling, you could charge double for your time!

I'd get my coat - but I've only just got here...

But they'd spend so long arguing over who had to pay....;)

Chaka's_Mum

April 11th, 2007, 10:39 PM

But they'd spend so long arguing over who had to pay....;)

Heck - does this mean that the first stages of the blending are a bit like a first date, then?

Symbiote: Oh, please - allow me.
Host: There's no need - please allow me.
Symbiote: No. I'll pay.
Host: No. let me pay. My treat.

and so on - ad infinitum.

Okay - it's at this point that Graham Chapman appears as an Army Colonel and demand that we stop this sketch because it's getting too silly...

It's an interesting concept, though - how do two completely independently sentient minds learn to cohabit? Particularly if one of them is used to being independent. Jacob seems happy with his new companion - but is that just the novelty factor mixed with gratitude for all that Selmak has done to heal him? What happens once that novelty begins to wear off and the reality of having someone else living inside him starts to kick in?

Harlan's Speechwriter

April 12th, 2007, 12:01 AM

It's an interesting concept, though - how do two completely independently sentient minds learn to cohabit? Particularly if one of them is used to being independent. Jacob seems happy with his new companion - but is that just the novelty factor mixed with gratitude for all that Selmak has done to heal him? What happens once that novelty begins to wear off and the reality of having someone else living inside him starts to kick in?

It must get hard for a Tok'ra sometimes, knowing that they can't have any personal space or even just time to themselves. Heck, even deciding what film to go and see (or whatever the Tok'ra equivalent is) must be a nightmare.

garhkal

April 12th, 2007, 01:04 PM

Why is this? Does Lantash feel that he and his host will be more 'acceptable' to the Tauri if Martouf speaks for them? What about Garshaw? Does she feel that her and Yosuuf's authority will be undermined if she doesn't? What happens if they disagree on this?

I think the higher a tok'ra is, in their ranks, the more the symbiot is in 'front and center'. Like with lantash/martoof, lantash was rarely up front, where with selmak/jacob, most often it is selmak that is up front..

Do they each have a place to withdraw to for some 'time out' or are they inescapably intertwined? How does someone who is used to their own space deal with suddenly having their every thought on display to someone else who can speak independently of them?

It would be interesting to find out, though I suspect that it will be something that can only really be explored in the fanfic realm.

I would love to know if they have a seperate place they can call their own.. like daniel did when he had those 12 or so other minds in him, in the lifeboat episode (season 7)..

First

June 6th, 2007, 07:19 PM

Truely wierd, but fascinating. I wish there was more on what it's like to be blended, from the point of view of someone we can relate to, like Jacob.
Does the host have their own "space"? Does the symbiote see every crazy thought that enters your mind? (scary!) Does the symbiote sleep when the host sleeps? (From a later episode "Nightwalkers" we know they don't have to). You would really, REALLY, hope you get along with the symbiote!

The physical health benefits are outstanding. Cured of all disease. All injuries that don't kill you are healed good as new. Your body operating at 100%.
Plus all the knowledge you get too. And the symbiote can "take over' when you're not up to facing the world (like Lantach did when Martouf was overwhelmed with emotional memories)

Chaka's_Mum

June 12th, 2007, 10:47 PM

Does the symbiote see every crazy thought that enters your mind?

Given some of the crazy thoughts that enter my mind, I bloomin' well hope not!

First

June 12th, 2007, 11:17 PM

Given some of the crazy thoughts that enter my mind, I bloomin' well hope not!
If all our thoughts were public, I think we'd all be locked up.

Can you imagine the coversations you'd have in your head with the symbiote. "what do you think about th...." "yes good idea" "and the.." "yes that too" "eew don't think that" "sorry I jus.." "apology accepted"

Talk about finishing each other's sentences.

Harlan's Speechwriter

June 13th, 2007, 11:02 AM

If all our thoughts were public, I think we'd all be locked up.

Can you imagine the coversations you'd have in your head with the symbiote. "what do you think about th...." "yes good idea" "and the.." "yes that too" "eew don't think that" "sorry I jus.." "apology accepted"

Talk about finishing each other's sentences.

Even the most simple decisions could become very complicated. Can you imagine the internal arguements over what to have for dinner or watch on TV? ;)

First

June 13th, 2007, 03:44 PM

Can you imagine the internal arguements over what to have for dinner? ;)

With the symbiote's knowledge of human physiology, it would be like having a deitician in your head telling you what to eat. "How am I supposed to keep your arteries clean when you keep eating junk like that!"

Harlan's Speechwriter

June 15th, 2007, 12:35 PM

With the symbiote's knowledge of human physiology, it would be like having a deitician in your head telling you what to eat. "How am I supposed to keep your arteries clean when you keep eating junk like that!"

Crikey. It'd be like having a parent in your head the whole time, wouldn't it? "Don't eat that, it's bad for you!" "Don't do that, you'll hurt yourself!";)

Team SG-1*save the show*

June 16th, 2007, 05:33 AM

^:lol:

maybe you can eat junk food and the symbiote cleans up the mess!!!

RobertF

March 15th, 2008, 04:27 PM

I enjoyed the Tok'ra two parter. Although watching the process of Selmak transferring to Jacob made me a little squeamish.

Would have been interesting to know if the Tok'ra spies on board Apophis's battleships would have prevented an attack on Earth if SG1 hadn't destroyed the battleships.

I'm curious why the Goa'uld fleet attacking the Tok'ra base didn't immediately dial up the stargate on the Tok'ra planet in order to prevent the Tok'ra escaping. Instead the battleships first sent out their fighters to strafe the surface to no effect.

gatechick

May 1st, 2008, 06:22 PM

This was a great ep. I was rewatching it today with my husband, and he asked me a question that made me laugh. He said, do you thnk since Jacob is a Tok'ra, that he still gets paid by the airforce?

garhkal

May 6th, 2008, 12:56 PM

Doubtful

HelloVelo

June 13th, 2008, 09:49 PM

I liked how Jacob said, "Holly Hannah." It kinda showed how he rubbed off on Sam while she was growing up.

Rating: 7/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/06/tokra-part-ii.html

captain jake

June 28th, 2008, 09:15 PM

Doubtful

I don't know I bet his pension is being put into a bank account, if all record of him disappeared it could raise some questions.

I liked how Jacob said, "Holly Hannah." It kinda showed how he rubbed off on Sam while she was growing up.

Rating: 7/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2...a-part-ii.html

When did Sam say Holly Hannah?

kimberlyrose

June 29th, 2008, 10:02 AM

This was a great ep. I was rewatching it today with my husband, and he asked me a question that made me laugh. He said, do you thnk since Jacob is a Tok'ra, that he still gets paid by the airforce?

They probably have him down as "retired." :)

captain jake

June 29th, 2008, 05:43 PM

They probably have him down as "retired." :)

The retired still get paid, that's what makes America so great.

L E E

July 6th, 2008, 01:50 AM

captain jake

July 6th, 2008, 04:08 AM

the tokra tunnels are pretty cool.

how come the tokra symbiote doesn't look as freaky as the normal goauld?

so the tokra will only ally with people who are willing to provide hosts? somehow, this doesn't make me like them more.

The Tok'ra symbiotes look exactly like the Goa'uld symbiotes you must be mistaken. If you watched the episode than you would have seen that the Tok'ra did ally with us and in future episodes provide key support.

pritnep

August 4th, 2008, 11:33 PM

I liked the second part more then the first part actually.

Interesting way how Sel'mac entered Jacob, I like how their tunnels destroyed as well very cool.

Hehe that box that Daniel gave the Tok'ra is like the calling card for earth.

Pic

October 10th, 2008, 12:28 PM

When did Sam say Holly Hannah?

Season 1 - Cold Lazarus
When the crystal thing starts glowing and talking to her in the lab.

Anon

October 10th, 2008, 02:10 PM

kk good ideas

RononXSpecialist

November 11th, 2008, 07:48 AM

Good Ep, Sam's family must have a thing for "Holy Hannah"
Selmak's Awsomeee
I also like what Sam said to Jacob
"Thats good dad now you can sit around all day cracking urself up"
haha that'd be awsome xD, Just laugh at out no where for no reason xD

benxander

January 21st, 2009, 01:54 PM

Anyone notice that when Sam sends the signal for the iris to open, she doesnt even hit all the buttons on the transmitter? She just randomly attacks it with her finger XD

gateship15

January 23rd, 2009, 06:39 PM

yea i noticed that to. i liked this episode because of the family thing.

Butlersgate

February 23rd, 2009, 12:23 PM

how come we never see that woman in the purple dress again? she was suited to being a tok'ra imo, great episode

Ulkesh47

March 4th, 2009, 09:19 PM

how come we never see that woman in the purple dress again? she was suited to being a tok'ra imo, great episode
She's mentioned once in "Seth", but surely "the most hunted Goa'uld of all time" would be the leader of the Tok'ra and not the guy in "Divide and Conquer".

Butlersgate

March 5th, 2009, 05:52 AM

She's mentioned once in "Seth", but surely "the most hunted Goa'uld of all time" would be the leader of the Tok'ra and not the guy in "Divide and Conquer".

yeah, unless she is the most hunted because she has caused the most problems by being on the most missions or something. but still it does make sense that the most hunted would be the most hunted because she is the leader.

EvenstarSRV

March 5th, 2009, 05:50 PM

She's mentioned once in "Seth", but surely "the most hunted Goa'uld of all time" would be the leader of the Tok'ra and not the guy in "Divide and Conquer".

It probably came down to actor availability when they were shooting Divide and Conquer, which is a shame because I really liked the actress who played Garshaw.

suse

March 5th, 2009, 06:48 PM

It probably came down to actor availability when they were shooting Divide and Conquer, which is a shame because I really liked the actress who played Garshaw.

:lol: Every time I see her I think of her as a Visitor leader from V. Oy. Those were the days of bad FX. Ans stories. Talking about killing a premise.

suse

gateship15

March 6th, 2009, 03:45 AM

i liked the Tok'ra being hunted and i like that this episode showed that there is a difference between the race that wants to be god and the tok'ra who ask to be planted in people i also liked sam and her fathers relationship in this episode and the one that goes with it because we see that relationship change. i also like sams

EvenstarSRV

April 4th, 2009, 02:10 PM

For the challenge thread...

I caught a rerun of The Tok'ra two-parter late last night and it reminded me just how much I love the Jacob Carter and Martouf characters and their respective relationships with Sam, as well as the further exploration of Jolinar and the Tok'ra.

Jacob is one of my absolute favorite reoccurring Stargate characters, I loved the development we saw of his character and his relationship with Sam from Secrets to the end of this episode. From the estranged father/daughter dynamic, to that wonderful scene of Jacob telling Sam how proud he is of her, as well as the teasing between them, Sam saying he can crack himself up with Selmak and Jacob teasing her about now being the wisest Tok'ra.

I also really liked the scene between Sam and Hammond, showing that despite their estrangement Sam knows how her father thinks, but also seems to be unaware of how much she has in common with Jacob, that she also is sometimes too concerned with wanting to be the strong soldier. Also liked the scenes with Hammond and Jacob in the hospital and at the end, Hammond knowing Jacob enough to call him on the good soldier routine, and Jacob telling Hammond he made the right call on the Tok'ra.

But as much as I loved the Sam/Jacob scenes, probably my favorite parts of the episode were the exploration into Jolinar, especially showing how much that experience still effects Sam. I always felt that Jolinar must have been such a devastating experience for Sam, someone who's identity is founded in a large part on her ability to control and focus her mind, to have her memories and feelings so scrambled that she can't control them. So it was great to see that inner turmoil shown in her reaction to the possibility of becoming a host again, her confusion at feeling Jolinar's love for Martouf, etc.

I enjoyed Jack, Daniel, and Teal'c parts in the episodes, Teal'c expressing his admiration for Garshaw's efforts, Jack uncovering the spy, and Daniel trying to reason with the Tok'ra to become allies. But the emotional weight of the two-parter, for me, was centered around Sam and Jacob, so theirs' are the storylines and emotional beats that I enjoyed most.

I was going to say more about the Tok'ra, but the Final Four games are starting. Go Heels! :D

amconway

April 4th, 2009, 02:27 PM

Usually, we have some point of difference about episodes that I can pick up on and further the discussion, but not in this case. ;) All I can say here would be 'Is that basketball?' :) And 'Go your team!'

EvenstarSRV

April 4th, 2009, 08:52 PM

Usually, we have some point of difference about episodes that I can pick up on and further the discussion, but not in this case. ;)

Wow, that's a first. :)

Maybe this will help: ;)

As you know, I love shades of gray to characters, both the 'good' guys and the 'bad'. So perhaps my favorite aspect of the Tok'ra is that they give a different angle on the nature of the Goa'uld, that there exists parasites who have chosen to oppose the System Lords and work with the Tau'ri to defeat them.

That being said, I also like that in this episode, and others down the line, the Tok'ra are not shown as being wholly good either. It's hard to argue the fact that even though Jolinar gave her life to save Sam at the end of ITLOD, it was her selfish act in the first place that put Sam's life in danger; but within one episode we saw both the 'bad' and the 'good' of the character.

I think we saw the same with these Tok'ra. We saw hints of the 'bad', not letting SG-1 go, and denying that they have anything to offer the Tok'ra despite the intelligence they gave about Apophis's ships. And we also saw the 'good', not forcing them into being hosts, letting Sam and Jack go back for Jacob and letting the teams go once the base was under attack.

So yeah, I really like the Tok'ra, and (in spoilers just in case RE: Unending)
I sincerely hope they don't end up meeting the same fate as Earth's other main ally, the Asgard. :(

All I can say here would be 'Is that basketball?' :) And 'Go your team!'

Yep, NCAA College Basketball and my alma matar is playing in the championship! :D

*wishes she was on Franklin Street jumping over bonfires*

amconway

April 4th, 2009, 09:14 PM

Wow, that's a first.

Maybe this will help:

As you know, I love shades of gray to characters, both the 'good' guys and the 'bad'. So perhaps my favorite aspect of the Tok'ra is that they give a different angle on the nature of the Goa'uld, that there exists parasites who have chosen to oppose the System Lords and work with the Tau'ri to defeat them.

That being said, I also like that in this episode, and others down the line, the Tok'ra are not shown as being wholly good either. It's hard to argue the fact that even though Jolinar gave her life to save Sam at the end of ITLOD, it was her selfish act in the first place that put Sam's life in danger; but within one episode we saw both the 'bad' and the 'good' of the character.

I think we saw the same with these Tok'ra. We saw hints of the 'bad', not letting SG-1 go, and denying that they have anything to offer the Tok'ra despite the intelligence they gave about Apophis's ships. And we also saw the 'good', not forcing them into being hosts, letting Sam and Jack go back for Jacob and letting the teams go once the base was under attack.

Yeah, that helps! Unfortunately we've already have much of the conversation in our long discussion of 'Bloodlines' - the aspect that deals with the nature of the Goa'uld symbiotes themselves. A slightly different aspect of that presents itself, though. That being that even withought the Goa'uld genetic memory that was kept from them by Egeria, they still display noticable arrogance and a willingness to excuse taking a host against their will, when 'necessary'. They also display a certain knowledge that this behavior which might be instinctual is wrong, and some of them seem to suffer from it less than others. I wonder if that's the influence of the hosts? It's also interesting to note that it is almost always the Goa'uld who speaks.

You're from North Carolina! Next time I'm writing Cam, I'm going to have to pick your brain (I pretend he's not from Kansas. That just makes no sense. ;) )

EvenstarSRV

April 4th, 2009, 10:16 PM

Yeah, that helps! Unfortunately we've already have much of the conversation in our long discussion of 'Bloodlines' - the aspect that deals with the nature of the Goa'uld symbiotes themselves. A slightly different aspect of that presents itself, though. That being that even withought the Goa'uld genetic memory that was kept from them by Egeria, they still display noticable arrogance and a willingness to excuse taking a host against their will, when 'necessary'. They also display a certain knowledge that this behavior which might be instinctual is wrong, and some of them seem to suffer from it less than others. I wonder if that's the influence of the hosts? It's also interesting to note that it is almost always the Goa'uld who speaks.

Hmm, but I don't see arrogance or believing the ends justify the means as necessarily Goa'uld-specific traits, but more traits that all sentient species are likely prone to (we see it in the Asgard, Ancients, and Ori followers for example). You also have humans like Kinsey who are as arrogant as they come, or people like Maybourne who definitely believed the ends justified the means, and there were no Goa'uld influences there (well until Full Alert for Kinsey).

I think the hosts definitely influence their symbiotes' behavior (and vice versa), especially Jacob since he's probably the first Tok'ra host who didn't grow up under Goa'uld subjugation. But if the host has arrogant or selfish tendencies, then he/she could potentially negatively influence their symbiote. Or vice versa and a Tok'ra like Selmak who could perhaps soften the rough edges of Jacob's character, influencing his personality positively.

You're from North Carolina! Next time I'm writing Cam, I'm going to have to pick your brain (I pretend he's not from Kansas. That just makes no sense. ;) )

Yeah, I think it would have more sense to have Cam come out of Fayetteville, NC, growing up near Fort Bragg/Pope AFB. I did get a kick out of seeing Ben Browder wearing a UNC baseball jersey during an interview. :)

amconway

April 4th, 2009, 10:20 PM

Hmm, but I don't see arrogance or believing the ends justify the means as necessarily Goa'uld-specific traits, but more traits that all sentient species are likely prone to. You have humans like Kinsey who are as arrogant as they come, or people like Maybourne who definitely believed the ends justified the means, and there were no Goa'uld influences there (well until Full Alert for Kinsey).
Oh, I agree that the Goa'uld /Tok'ra dont have a monopoly, but they have a... peculiarly Goa'uldy superiority that (in my opinion) comes from wearing other sentient beings like a suit of clothes. ;)

So, vinegar based barbeque sauces... better than tomato based sauces?

EvenstarSRV

April 4th, 2009, 10:38 PM

Oh, I agree that the Goa'uld /Tok'ra dont have a monopoly, but they have a... peculiarly Goa'uldy superiority that (in my opinion) comes from wearing other sentient beings like a suit of clothes. ;)

I don't really see that kind of superiority as much different than the way the Urondans treated their enemy, or the Optricians treated theirs, or how the Ancients seem to treat 'lesser' lifeforms. In all cases, it seems to stem from a belief that they are inherently better or superior than the other, and that justifies taking their lives, whether by killing them or enslaving them.

IMO, the parasitic nature of Goa'uld is instinctual and not necessarily a cause of their arrogance. That comes from their intellect I think, which is more likely hindered by their physical form than helped by it, since they're very vulnerable in their unblended state.

So, vinegar based barbeque sauces... better than tomato based sauces?

Er...vegetarian here, so can't really help you there. But I can vouch that NC sweet tea is the best in the world. :)

amconway

April 4th, 2009, 10:47 PM

I don't really see that kind of superiority as much different than the way the Urondans treated their enemy, or the Optricians treated theirs, or how the Ancients seem to treat 'lesser' lifeforms. In all cases, it seems to stem from a belief that they are inherently better or superior than the other, and that justifies taking their lives, whether by killing them or enslaving them.

Well, two of those are bad guys, and the other isn't all that good, so, yeah. They're bad. I still say the snakes are more creepy-bad.
EDIT: Hmmm... Not my best effort. I have to go sleep now. ;)

I won't go further as to my belief that the Goa'uld are intrinsically evil. We've already gone there thoroughly. :)

That comes from their intellect I think, which is more likely hindered by their physical form than helped by it, since they're very vulnerable in their unblended state.

Could you say this another way? I'm not quite getting it.

EvenstarSRV

April 5th, 2009, 09:51 AM

Could you say this another way? I'm not quite getting it.

Well, I feel that one common source of arrogance among sentient species is belief in having a superior intellect. We see it in the Tollan, the Tok'ra, Goa'uld, the Asgard to a degree, as well as the Ancients and at times humans (McKay being a prime example).

But compared to the other species, the symbiotes have the disadvantage in that they cannot make use of their intellect until they take a host. Until then they could be the smartest thing in the galaxy, but they can't do anything with that knowledge. So that dependence on hosts would, I think, make the Goa'uld slightly less arrogant than say the Tollan, because they need another species in order fully achieve their perceived superiority, they can't do it by themselves.

The Stig

April 22nd, 2009, 02:49 PM

An excellent conclusion to the two parter. One of my favourites in the entire series.

rmonroe

June 13th, 2009, 02:56 PM

Maybe someone can help me figure this out because it's really beginning to bug me. I watched this episode again last night and as I pondered on the problem the Tok'ra have regarding finding hosts, the question came to mind, why don't they just have kids and put their symbiotes into them? I mean, the kids could still have a choice about it and maybe not all of them would choose to do it, but it would still help I think. Did I miss something that explains why this wouldn't be possible?

Ulkesh47

June 13th, 2009, 07:30 PM

Gamira_The Goauld_Princess

August 19th, 2009, 12:34 PM

TokRa are great!!!!

jsonitsac

August 19th, 2009, 12:56 PM

Hmm. That kid would be a Tok'ra Harcesis. Interesting point, but for all we know, a Harcesis can't be taken as a host. On the other hand, maybe s/he can, so it's hard to say.

If the kid were Harcesis then what would be the point of blending him or her? Also, they'd still have to wait 18 years for the child to grow up and I'm not sure that raising children is not necessarily a great idea while participating in an underground resistance movement.

Tachyon

November 26th, 2009, 03:02 AM

The Tok'ra must be my all time favorite SG-1 two-parter. :)

es!

November 27th, 2009, 07:03 AM

The Tok'ra must be my all time favorite SG-1 two-parter. :)

I was all like "OMG what a great story line!!!" when I was watching this two-parter. TPTB did a really good job with it.

My 100th post btw! :p

KayLyne

February 18th, 2010, 01:21 PM

I've watched this episode many times, as it's among my all-time favorites. However, there's one technical issue that really, really bugs me about the ending:

After the others have arrived at the SGC and are awaiting the arrival of Sam, Jacob & Martouf, the gate is still open with the iris closed and the female technician is in the control room waiting for the IDC signal. This is well before the three are even out of the Tok'ra tunnels. Yet, when the three get to the gate, it's not open, so they have to quickly dial out (before the Goa'uld do). But how would they get it to open to the Earth gate if the guys at SGC already have the gate open?

mrscopterdoc

February 22nd, 2010, 08:41 PM

asdf1239

April 4th, 2010, 02:30 AM

1) i dont get the cordesh thing. was the symbiote the goa'uld spy, or was the host part of it too? and was he a tok'ra symbiote originally who got switched for a goa'uld? because he was in a position of power. and how exactly did he transfer hosts.
2) the tok'ra appear arrogant because they -have- been at war with the goa'uld for ages and have experience. to them, the tauri are reckless upstarts. the entire race was almost exterminated so their wariness is to be expected. they haven't had much "progress" compared to others because of that setback and the fact that both the tau'ri and the jaffa have a technological and more importantly a great numerical advantage *allowing* them to engage in direct combat.

Andy

May 12th, 2010, 05:36 PM

But how would they get it to open to the Earth gate if the guys at SGC already have the gate open?

I was wondering that, too.. When we see them get out of the tunnels, run to the Stargate, I thought it's open.. and then well.. nothing! Did the SGC just give up?

Were the 38 minutes up?? Did it take THAT long?

1) i dont get the cordesh thing. was the symbiote the goa'uld spy, or was the host part of it too? and was he a tok'ra symbiote originally who got switched for a goa'uld? because he was in a position of power. and how exactly did he transfer hosts.

I didn't get that part either.. The guy that died in the tunnel couldn't have been without a symbiote, because then he'd be dead, right? It seems in the end the host is speaking. And he says he is not who they think he is and he couldn't do anything... So I guess the host wasn't really involved?! So the "evil" symbiote switched to the woman and the woman's symbiote is now in the guy?!

Very confusing. :)

SnowWhite

May 14th, 2010, 05:37 AM

I didn't get that part either.. The guy that died in the tunnel couldn't have been without a symbiote, because then he'd be dead, right? It seems in the end the host is speaking. And he says he is not who they think he is and he couldn't do anything... So I guess the host wasn't really involved?! So the "evil" symbiote switched to the woman and the woman's symbiote is now in the guy?!

Very confusing. :)

I was also quite confused, but as the host is speaking in the end I think he was supressed by the Goa'uld before and the host couldn't live with that later. That would only make the symbiote bad.. The part I didn't get is, why the symbiote didn't act earlier since it must have been there for quite a long time and even more how it could change hosts.. shouldn't everybody (except the SG-teams) in the tunnels already have one?
Because I'm quite sure that no tok'ra would change hosts without a good reason.. and helping a Goa'uld isn't a good reason.. -.-

maneth

July 27th, 2010, 11:06 AM

Yeah, some confusing issues that others have already mentioned, other than that it was a very good episode. I was wondering, though, why they made Garshaw look so old, Sarah Douglas was only 45 or 46 when the ep was filmed, and she looked about 60!

ChulaksPrincess

October 24th, 2010, 06:56 PM

My favorite part of this episode is when Jacob agrees to be a host, and the transfering from one host to the other begins. However, all of the second part of the story was excellent. It had plenty of action.

blueray

January 4th, 2011, 11:36 AM

1) i dont get the cordesh thing. was the symbiote the goa'uld spy, or was the host part of it too? and was he a tok'ra symbiote originally who got switched for a goa'uld? because he was in a position of power. and how exactly did he transfer hosts.

i love these two eps and have seen then a few times. i'm confused by this too.

my guess is:

the symbolite betrayed the tok'ra and somehow murdered the woman's symbolite. then forced her as a new host. the guy who says "i not who i seem" was the original host, who had no say in the betrayal.

FrodoFraggins

March 22nd, 2011, 10:58 PM

9/10

I still am disappointed in Amanda's acting. She seems to always act in the same manner. She couldn't even get herself to shed a tear during the obviously emotional scenes with her father.

SG3Marine

September 12th, 2011, 08:24 AM

the symbolite betrayed the tok'ra and somehow murdered the woman's symbolite. then forced her as a new host. the guy who says "i'm not who i seem" was the original host, who had no say in the betrayal.

That's what I guessed as well. Though I wish it was explained better.

I started wondering in this episode, how big are the fleets of the System Lords?

LeftHandedGuitarist

September 14th, 2011, 11:47 AM

Watching this episode with the gift of knowing the rest of the series, I am amazed at how much over-explanation there is in the dialogue here. One time, I could understand, but there are a few instances here where the same information is repeated between characters again and again. The worst culprit is Jacob, who can't seem to understand the basic concepts of what is happening. He asks questions which we have already been given the answer to multiple times.

It happens again after Jacob is blended, and the discussion turns to what they will do if they are captured by the Goa'uld. Martouf says he will let the caves consume him if it comes to that. After some more dicussion, he says the same thing again but this time with Carter alongside him. Once they are back at the SGC, Garshaw explain AGAIN that they instead of being captured, they will die in the caves. TOO MUCH!

Anyway, this is much more enjoyable than part 1. It gave me a huge sense of relief to finally let Jacob in on the secret of the Stargate, and I love the fact that he becomes a Tok'ra and we will get to see a lot more of him. Much like the first part, this episode is again made up of discussion rather than action. We are just given the sense of disguised action more than anything, with people running around during the evacuation and letting us know there isn't much time. We don't even see any Goa'uld, just the ships and gliders. It's a sneaky tactic, but works. I felt this to be a more exciting episode than the first part, but there's a part of me that feels let down. Taking both parts together, and it moves slooooowly.

- For good guys, the Tok'ra are kind of arseholes. That's part of makes them an interesting addition to the show, but it annoyed me. When SG-1 needed to go back home, the Tok'ra would not let them leave. When they were at the SGC and General Hammond said he'd like them to stay and debrief, they just say "no we've got more important things to do, bye!" and we humans get no say in the matter! Hmm.

RATING: 7.5 out of 10

ekolint48

September 15th, 2011, 07:16 PM

I was also quite confused, but as the host is speaking in the end I think he was supressed by the Goa'uld before and the host couldn't live with that later. That would only make the symbiote bad.. The part I didn't get is, why the symbiote didn't act earlier since it must have been there for quite a long time and even more how it could change hosts.. shouldn't everybody (except the SG-teams) in the tunnels already have one?
Because I'm quite sure that no tok'ra would change hosts without a good reason.. and helping a Goa'uld isn't a good reason.. -.-

The man that Kordesh, the Tok'ra symbiote, was inhabiting felt guilty for his symbiote's actions because he was unable to stop Kordesh fro betraying the Tok'ra. That is why he went into the collapsing tunnel to commit suicide. At first I thought the Goa'uld had replaced Kordesh with a Goa'uld (bad) symbiote but during the show it is made apparent that Kordesh simply switched allegiances. To get into the woman councilor that he(Kordesh) is discovered in at the end of the episode, presumably while Kordesh was in the male hosts body he killed the new, female host's symbiote somehow and then left the male for the female after which the man went on to kill himself in that hallway that the leader of the Tok'ra and Jack find him in.

Kordesh probably chose to tell the Goa'uld the Tok'ra's location when SG-1 arrived so that the suspicion could be thrown on them for the attack. Also the Tok'ra were distacted by SG-1's arrival so that gave him an opportunity to reveal the Tok'ra's location without being found out as it might have been difficult to hide such activities when there are no doors.

Jae'a

September 16th, 2011, 03:55 AM

My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/9905.html)
Great stuff. Love the convo with Jacob and Saroosh/Selmak :D

NowIWillDestroyAbydos

September 16th, 2011, 03:58 PM

Holy Hanna!!! Pretty good episode.

Jacob is now a Tok'ra, he'll return in Episode 20.

Next week, we'll hit "The Fifth Race" on Wednesday.

Lieutenant Sparrow

September 16th, 2011, 04:39 PM

An improvement over ep 1. The interaction between Jacob and Selmak/Saroosh is great. I'm glad Jacob blends with Selmak. They make the Tok'ra eps so much more enjoyable.

Krisz

September 17th, 2011, 01:34 PM

The interaction between Jacob, Saroosh and Selmak I agree makes this part interesting watching. It helped to show how different the Tok'ra symbiotes are I guess. I liked the way Selmak wanted to make sure she was making a good decision about blending with Jacob, there was as much apprehension there as it was with Jacob.

I also liked the way the Tau'ri stayed to help the Tok'ra rather than leave them to their fate, reinforcing the fact that they were good allies. Jack unearthing the spy added to this and showed that they were useful in ways the Tok'ra would not think of. Garshaw kissing Jack in appreciation is a great moment, throws him a bit and again adds a little more confusion to his view of the Tok'ra.

jelgate

September 17th, 2011, 01:58 PM

If the Tokra Part I is slow in development then this is the opposite. The only compliant I have is the predictablity of chosing Jacob as a host to Selmack. Besides that it has everything for me. The action of the Goa'uld coming keeps me interested plus the character tumoril of Jacob deciding to be a host to Selmack. It was really interesting to see him go from near death to implantation.

One thing that always bugged is if Cordesh jumped host what happened to the symbiote in the black haired woman

dtheories

September 18th, 2011, 10:59 AM

Chel nok! Very Cool!

Hearing the Stargate Program presented in its simplist terms is a pleasure that always prompts an over the top reaction. How can it not? But Jacob, typically criticizing what he doesn't understand, being rude right in the presence of the Tok'ra, still contributed to a funny moment when he and Selmak's dying host shared a cough. Ok, Jack's little cough after being cheeked by Garshan was cute too.

Retun appearance of Daniel's box...last one?

SG1Member

September 18th, 2011, 05:41 PM

Most second parters are better than part 1 because they resolve the cliff hanger from part 1, and this episode is no exception.

I know Jacob becoming host to Selmak was predictable, but I thought it was a masterstroke nonetheless. The proverbial two birds with one stone, as it were. By bringing Jacob into the Stargate program and having him blend with Selmak made another deep connection between Earth and the greater universe. Jacob could have been any one of us experiencing space travel and aliens for the first time, so it all hits home more for the audience.

Seaboe Muffinchucker

September 18th, 2011, 07:47 PM

The only compliant I have is the predictablity of chosing Jacob as a host to Selmack.

What would you have preferred?

Seaboe

Starscape91

September 18th, 2011, 08:32 PM

Part 2 was definately better than Part 1. I loved the interaction between Jacob and Selmak/Saroosh.

hlndncr

September 20th, 2011, 02:23 PM

I love the whole Jacob story. It's so great to see an outsider's view of the Stargate program for the first time. Carmen did such a fabulous job showing his wonder and confusion meeting aliens for the first time and then choosing to become one of them.

Saroosh reminds me of my grandmother. She looks and sounds just like her, and my grandma was spunky and direct like Selmak. So I'm a fan! I really wish we would have gotten to know Selmak as a seperate character from Jacob a little more than we ultimately did.

Am I the only one who thought RDA sounded like he had a cold?

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Matt G

September 21st, 2011, 04:21 PM

This ep first aired in the UK...circa '98? I hadn't started watching SG1 at that point.

Easter 2000: Sky 1 rerun SG1 S2, I was away in Spain.

Late 2000-early '01? Channel 4 show S2. I plain don't bother to watch the ep before I reckon I know everything that's going to happen.

September 2011: The Stargate franchise is over for the foreseeable future and I decide it's a good reason to finally catch this ep as part of the Rewatch.

1. Jack thought SG1 and 3 would break out. Oh boy...

2. The one thing I was looking forward to with this ep, Jacob's first reaction to what Sam 'really' does. Pretty cool.

3. Jacob and Selmak's first conversation. Pretty cool.

4. Garshaw's reaction to Jack telling her that Cordesh had a communication device...:)

Not quite one of the classics but certainly an ep I should have watched on a Sunday afternoon a decade plus ago.